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Speaker 1: That link is pinned in the chat, Oh Joe. The
Speaker 1: Patriots looked offul impressive. They beat the Jets twenty seven fourteen.
Speaker 1: I don't know they looked impressive. The Jets aren't good,
Speaker 1: but the Patriots look good. I mean those first couple
Speaker 1: of drives. Drake May with Brady esque, I'm talking yes,
Speaker 1: even nice Stefan Diggs bill and reinvigorated. He looks good.
Speaker 1: Henderson is running extremely hard. Uh two touchdowns on the ground,
Speaker 1: one in the air. Drake May twenty five thirty four
Speaker 1: to two eighty one one touchdowns. I thought, overall, I
Speaker 1: thought they played well. Uh but who let's let's let's
Speaker 1: before we get to the Jets, let's highlight the Patriots.
Speaker 1: O Joe, Yeah, Okay, okay, Mike Rabel has done an
Speaker 1: unbelievable job. You go, you go ahead.
Speaker 3: Hell of a job, hell of a job. Listen, Mike Rabel.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure what he did once he got there,
Speaker 3: but he's done one hell of a job. Obviously. It
Speaker 3: makes things much easier when you have a quarterback that's
Speaker 3: playing out of his mind and only his second year
Speaker 3: in Drake May. In the Division, they three and oero. Obviously,
Speaker 3: the talk has always been the super the supposed to
Speaker 3: go to the Super Bowl. This is their year. The
Speaker 3: Buffalo Bills. They're two and two in the division. The
Speaker 3: goddamn the Patriots have dominated all season long. Being ninety two.
Speaker 3: This is something I wasn't expecting. Being being the fan
Speaker 3: of the game of football that I am, I didn't
Speaker 3: think they would be this good. They have been really,
Speaker 3: really well. And because of the quarterback play, obviously, the
Speaker 3: supporting cast defense is played well. Stefan Diggs is playing
Speaker 3: out of his mind. He's playing out of his mind
Speaker 3: even playing very very good football. Matt Collins out there
Speaker 3: making plays, Douglas doing well, doing well as well. And
Speaker 3: Trayvon Henon is it Trayvon Henderson? Am I saying that right?
Speaker 3: Trayvon Henderson, trebon man? Listen, but young Bull, nice boy,
Speaker 3: young young Bull is really young bull, real nice. He's
Speaker 3: one of the few running backs to on on on
Speaker 3: on the field that can hit his head off the
Speaker 3: goal post. Play with Okay, he got he got speed,
Speaker 3: got speed to burn. So man, they look really good.
Speaker 3: They look really good tonight man. And on defense, hey
Speaker 3: that got a that God damn. Christian Gonzales.
Speaker 1: He nice, oh he he fluid, Hey, listen, he nice.
Speaker 3: He needs I know he's been injured a little bit,
Speaker 3: but he needs to be in the conversation of top
Speaker 3: five dbs.
Speaker 1: Especially Oh yeah, yeah, I mean you know PS PS
Speaker 1: two Stingley Jr. Him, Yeah, you know, those those are
Speaker 1: those are your top I guess people like JE Horn,
Speaker 1: some people like J. C. Horn, But I think I
Speaker 1: think Gonzale, I think PS two and I think uh
Speaker 1: uh Stingley Jr. I think those are the top three
Speaker 1: corners in my book because they all present very very
Speaker 1: very different now, Gonzales and and PS two kind of
Speaker 1: they got kind of similar body types. Their tall angular
Speaker 1: uh Stingley is a little bit more compact, probably a
Speaker 1: little bit a little more a little because a little
Speaker 1: probably a little stronger because of the way he the
Speaker 1: way he's built. But if you look at the way
Speaker 1: PS two and the way he glides, he and Gonzales
Speaker 1: have a very very similar game. Yeah. Yeah, Trivia on
Speaker 1: heresy had two Russian one in their uh one. Yeah
Speaker 1: they threw him one. Uh. But yeah, this is this
Speaker 1: is oh Jo. This is a very good team. They're
Speaker 1: very well coached. And now you see why that after
Speaker 1: one year miss the crafts Like you know what, Gerard,
Speaker 1: I really hate to pull the plug this quick, but
Speaker 1: this coach is proven, uh and it's too good to
Speaker 1: pass up. And if we don't do this now, there's
Speaker 1: a good guess.
Speaker 3: Be going somewhere else. Yeah, he'd be going somewhere.
Speaker 1: Else because if you think about it. The Falcons interviewed
Speaker 1: Mike Brabel Mike McDonald at Seattle. They interviewed like more
Speaker 1: guys that are doing extremely well right now, and they
Speaker 1: settled on the right course and right he's gonna have
Speaker 1: to get this thing. He's gonna have to get this
Speaker 1: thing turned around. But just watching New England, they don't
Speaker 1: beat themselves. I know, you know, Raber doesn't really mention
Speaker 1: a whole lot, but I think he took a whole
Speaker 1: lot playing under coach Belichick. The matter of rhythm that
Speaker 1: he's not as he's not his stoic on the sideline.
Speaker 1: He's waiting to give his guys high five coming off
Speaker 1: the field. He's waiting to hug his guys. You watch
Speaker 1: him in the hallway, Oho, when they're coming off the
Speaker 1: field after Big Rick victory, he's hugging everybody. Hey, come on,
Speaker 1: get in here, come on, let's go. Let's And he's
Speaker 1: a guy I would love to play for. He's the
Speaker 1: type of guy that you loved, you love to play
Speaker 1: for because he ain't go sugarcoat it now, Oh Joe,
Speaker 1: you know exactly where you stay with Mike Rabel. Yes, sir, o.
Speaker 3: Joy, take you time, Take it time.
Speaker 1: I tweeted a little bit, but I just say I
Speaker 1: just stopped tweeting because people, you know, I think, like man,
Speaker 1: you pick it on the guy. But at some point
Speaker 1: in time, Oh Joe, I'm not so sure Justin Fields
Speaker 1: is gonna ever be what a lot of people thought
Speaker 1: he would become. Oh, Joe, let me give you some
Speaker 1: of these stats. He was three four eleven he got
Speaker 1: injured in the fourth quarter for twenty seven yards. He
Speaker 1: played the entire game Incos, he was nine of seventeen
Speaker 1: for forty five yards. He played the entire game. Against
Speaker 1: the Carolina Panthers, he was six or twelve for forty
Speaker 1: six yards and lost to Cleveland. He was six of
Speaker 1: eleven for fifty four yards and forty two of your
Speaker 1: those yards came on a screenplay bad tonight. Yeah. Before
Speaker 1: the final drive he had seventy five yards passing. Yes, sir,
Speaker 1: I think A d Mitchell left his hands in Indy. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Hey, oh listen, listen now. Now he ended the game
Speaker 3: with seventy five.
Speaker 1: Yards, right, No, he had one hundred and sixteen. But
Speaker 1: before that, before the final drive, he got forty one
Speaker 1: of the white sixteen. Right.
Speaker 3: So, So one of the things that I do want
Speaker 3: to say before before we pile on Justin Field, I
Speaker 3: want to I want to talk about some of the
Speaker 3: drop passes Ady Mitchell. Two big plays. They played two
Speaker 3: big players in the first half before half you got
Speaker 3: the had those go ball. Yeah, it's oh man, you
Speaker 3: got to have that. Hey, it's perfect though outside showing away.
Speaker 1: From the can't ask for anything more than that.
Speaker 3: O joe, you got to have that's that's perfect red line.
Speaker 3: You pull that in, then the wheel route up. You know,
Speaker 3: adjust yourself, slow down a little bit. You know, if perfect,
Speaker 3: perfect ball outside shoulder, dB has no way to make
Speaker 3: a play, has no way to make a plan. You
Speaker 3: got to have that. So though those are those are
Speaker 3: passes that you got to help your quarterback out. Sometime
Speaker 3: you got to help your quarterback. And that's why the
Speaker 3: sash looked like look the way they look. Sometimes that
Speaker 3: dropped past.
Speaker 1: He had he had a couple of drop but there
Speaker 1: was a couple O joe, he had AD and AD
Speaker 1: probably would have dropped it, but he had him on.
Speaker 1: He had him on the head. That's a simple pitching catch.
Speaker 1: Oh he threw a wi he threw you put that
Speaker 1: on that because here's the thing, the dB is probably retreating.
Speaker 1: You put that on him. Now, get to face you up.
Speaker 1: There's a chance I can make you miss at least
Speaker 1: at least I caught it at five and bare minimum Ojo,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get a first down. I might make you
Speaker 1: missing yet even more, I'm like, justin to start the game.
Speaker 1: You can't because what do we always say, O Joe,
Speaker 1: give me something. I just want to get my hand.
Speaker 1: I just want to touch the ball. Let me touch it.
Speaker 1: Gotta give me nothing sophisticated. Just let me catch it.
Speaker 1: Let me catch ah, let me catch a shallow cross.
Speaker 1: I just want to touch the ball. You give it
Speaker 1: to them early? You got me late? Yeah? Justin? How
Speaker 1: how on a on a on a five yard hitch route?
Speaker 1: You miss a got that far outside?
Speaker 3: Mm hmm and listen. And that that goes for the
Speaker 3: quarterback too. Most of the time, some quarterbacks they don't
Speaker 3: want to come out with anything. Want they want some short.
Speaker 3: They want a nice little checkdown to get themselves in
Speaker 3: a rhythm, you know, to get a feeling for the
Speaker 3: game and not not really chase the game, but allow
Speaker 3: the game to come to them. And and that's that's
Speaker 3: what you want. You want to slant, you want to hit,
Speaker 3: you want some want some you know, short. But I
Speaker 3: think I think right now, I'm not sure. With as
Speaker 3: bad as the Jets are, everyone around justin fields has
Speaker 3: to be almost they have, yet they have to raise
Speaker 3: their level of play. They got to raise their level
Speaker 3: of play to catch up or to make sure they
Speaker 3: can overcome for Justine's mistakes or his lack of confidence.
Speaker 3: Right now, you have to that. That's what you need.
Speaker 3: You you that kind of dog out there. And he didn't.
Speaker 3: He didn't play to night. I think I think Garrett
Speaker 3: was ir right now. So's he's gonna miss the next
Speaker 3: now three games after the night and and and then boy,
Speaker 3: they got the musterd up, they got the mustard up.
Speaker 3: You know those that are there, John John Michie made
Speaker 3: some made some plays John Messy. I'm sorry, I might
Speaker 3: apologize Messi. He made some plays to night. Tight end,
Speaker 3: you know, little chuck down play.
Speaker 1: But that's yeah, you gotta have that catch, that tight
Speaker 1: end on the fourth down. You gotta hold that one.
Speaker 1: You got the first down, and you're getting hard because
Speaker 1: you take it so long to blit the ball to
Speaker 1: you the guys to bring it in.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he knocked it down. But outside of that, man,
Speaker 3: listen the gests that they if they didn't play that.
Speaker 1: Bad, they didn't they really just couldn't get off the
Speaker 1: field in that first half, oh, Jo, They couldn't get
Speaker 1: off the field. Yeah. I mean they get him in third,
Speaker 1: they get him in third and four, third and five,
Speaker 1: they get a first down, they get him in third
Speaker 1: and ten, they get a first down. They just could
Speaker 1: not get off the field. And and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: they rush three, they rush four, they bring pressure, and
Speaker 1: they still didn't get there. I'm like, well, damn, how difficult.
Speaker 1: I mean, man, how difficult is it? And you you're right?
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of times the drops maybe
Speaker 1: that that messes with with with Justin Field's confidence because
Speaker 1: he's like, well, am I doing something? What am I
Speaker 1: doing wrong? Because he'll throw one terrible and then he'll
Speaker 1: drop a dime, he'll throw two terrible, and he'll throw
Speaker 1: another dime. He had he had ad Mitchell again him
Speaker 1: to go. He had gone out as an ass with
Speaker 1: the ball. I thought he's playing pin the tail and
Speaker 1: a donkey. I said, with damn he comes out in
Speaker 1: the ass.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: He was. And that's the thing. When you get a
Speaker 1: guy beat down there on Joe, you know you're already
Speaker 1: struggling as an offense. You can't miss what I tweeted.
Speaker 1: I said Mitchell you're not that good offensively to oh,
Speaker 1: you're not that good of a team to overcome those
Speaker 1: kind of mistakes. That's a flat out draw. And they're not.
Speaker 1: And you're saying, okay, you get a guy like Justin
Speaker 1: Fields and he's struggling. But they don't have the receivers.
Speaker 1: They don't have a Chase or Jeda or one of
Speaker 1: these top flight receivers that could over a couple of them.
Speaker 1: They need more than one. They need a couple of
Speaker 1: a couple of them that can elevate them. They and
Speaker 1: I just, I just.
Speaker 3: It sucks. It sucks. It sucks. And listen, not not
Speaker 3: only that they're not playing well, they let two of
Speaker 3: the best players on d SHO obviously got you got
Speaker 3: you got players for them, so you would hope those
Speaker 3: players that you got in the trade can step up
Speaker 3: and and and and and play the part. And obviously
Speaker 3: it's it's eighty it's eighties, first week, this is first
Speaker 3: year two right, this is the first game.
Speaker 1: Is there the first time he caught the path? Is there?
Speaker 1: The first time he read around? I mean, I mean
Speaker 1: you say, no matter where you go, wherever, you play
Speaker 1: right right.
Speaker 3: Right, right right right, like I'm not listening. I'm not
Speaker 3: making no excuse me for him. You have to you
Speaker 3: have to make those plays. You have to.
Speaker 1: You got to and with justin fields excuse me, Garrett
Speaker 1: Wilson out. It's supposed to be the best receiver because
Speaker 1: the cost. They had high expectations until you got into
Speaker 1: Shane Steiken's dog house with that fumble. It was never
Speaker 1: the same after that. Now, maybe there was something going on,
Speaker 1: Maybe that was the final straw that broke the Campbell's
Speaker 1: back on Joe, But from that point on.
Speaker 3: It was the same nome.
Speaker 1: But I just don't know how you throw for twenty
Speaker 1: seven yards in a game, you throw for forty five
Speaker 1: yards in a game, you throw for forty six yards
Speaker 1: in the game, you throw for fifty four yards in
Speaker 1: a game, and you throw for one hundred and sixteen
Speaker 1: and forty one of that came on the final drive.
Speaker 1: I just don't know how you move on and become
Speaker 1: and become what people thought you were going to become
Speaker 1: when they took you at the top draft pick. Now
Speaker 1: you know, I think you were fifteen to sixteen something
Speaker 1: like that on Joe. I just don't see the consistency.
Speaker 1: I don't see I don't see him. One two, check
Speaker 1: it down one two three out of bounds one two gone.
Speaker 1: I don't see that. And you know, as a quarterback
Speaker 1: the really good ones. Yes, back foot here, Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: dropping back. I know the play, Oh Joe, I'm dropping back.
Speaker 1: Already gone through it. Okay, we've gone through it through
Speaker 1: the course of the week. Cover one we go here,
Speaker 1: Cover two we go there, Quarters we go here, Cover
Speaker 1: five we go there, Scott Siks, we already know. So
Speaker 1: when you back it up, the sect has already told
Speaker 1: you what it's doue single high safety. Oh I know,
Speaker 1: I'm going right now. Oh he's covered. Let me let
Speaker 1: me see what two wheels it's two there. Okay, let
Speaker 1: me take this check down. Oh Joe, Yeah, see it
Speaker 1: seems like it's like he got a dial up service.
Speaker 1: He ain't got that. By g they say they got something.
Speaker 1: They got teng Off in China say, hey, you cut
Speaker 1: the Boneum already gone to what you're looking for?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, most definitely. I think the fact that also
Speaker 3: with the offensive line not not playing as well as
Speaker 3: they should be, he's rushing everything a little bit, not
Speaker 3: being able to go through his progression and understand listen
Speaker 3: pre snap. Okay, I'm seeing what they're doing. And once
Speaker 3: that ball snaps, you know, obviously you want you want that.
Speaker 3: You want that head straight down the field, not giving
Speaker 3: anything away and not having the time to be able
Speaker 3: to go through his read and progression. I think he
Speaker 3: speeds things up and hurry's throws. He rushes throws to
Speaker 3: Herbie getting the ball out of his hands too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, okay, I'm looking at against Buffalo. He
Speaker 1: averaged two point five yards of the temp against the Broncos,
Speaker 1: two point six yards per attempt against Carolina, three point
Speaker 1: eight yards per attempt against Cleveland four point nine yards attempts.
Speaker 1: That's not even a running back average squat. If he's
Speaker 1: doing that, right, imagine if you're a quarterback and that's
Speaker 1: what your yard per attempt did, that is horrible.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's bad. But also you know, also, you know
Speaker 3: what else, It also comes down to the weapons around you.
Speaker 3: It also it also comes down to what do you have,
Speaker 3: what is your supporting cast? Like now you take a
Speaker 3: Justin Fields here hypothetically speaking, right, so you keep the
Speaker 3: same and you put a Jamar Chase. So you put
Speaker 3: a Justin Jefferson, you put a T. Higgins or you
Speaker 3: put any of the top tier, top tier receivers on
Speaker 3: that team together. Yeah, snow one in the one or
Speaker 3: one or one in a one or a decent a
Speaker 3: decent two. Yeah, Hey, it looked completely different because they
Speaker 3: can overcome for all the woes that justin fields may
Speaker 3: be having. They can overcome all that the small stuff.
Speaker 3: You got Jamar Chase, crazy ass could take a goddamn
Speaker 3: slant and the goddamn hitch eighty yards. You got T
Speaker 3: Higgins any ball you throw to him, which was considered
Speaker 3: for most receivers fifty to fifty. Hell with him, it's
Speaker 3: ninety ten. Like small stuff like that, where you have
Speaker 3: players that that can elevate their play to overcome for
Speaker 3: your your shortcomings, it makes things easier. But they just
Speaker 3: don't have that. Therefore, everybody else has to raise their
Speaker 3: level to play, and damn there be perfect and that
Speaker 3: that's the issue. That's the issue.
Speaker 1: They have to look at the guys that you just mentioned,
Speaker 1: they had their best seasons. If you think about it,
Speaker 1: what do the guys do really well? Process information really
Speaker 1: really quickly. Oh yeah, go back and look at Joe. Now,
Speaker 1: go back and look at Joe Flacco. It doesn't even
Speaker 1: look like Chase is falling off because Joe Flacco backfoot here.
Speaker 4: I'm going to it as cousins, Sam Donald, You couldn't
Speaker 4: care who's in there with Jella because they process information
Speaker 4: quickly you And that is the number one thing.
Speaker 1: How well do you download information? And how quickly can
Speaker 1: you disseminate it? I don't care. I don't care what
Speaker 1: you got. I don't care what I got, but leg
Speaker 1: you got? Can you Hey, if I put that information
Speaker 1: on Joe, how soon can you spit it back out? Yeah?
Speaker 3: And the funny thing about it is not only being
Speaker 3: able to process it, not only being able to spit
Speaker 3: it out, but you know what makes it even easier
Speaker 3: the motherfucker you're throwing but.
Speaker 1: Easier. But see, now you got me? Okay, I run
Speaker 1: a hitch route, Now you gonna got me? Well, do
Speaker 1: I need to slide? Do I need to slide? Because
Speaker 1: I'm anticipating because I don't know where it's gonna be.
Speaker 1: I know normally I'm gonna get a hitch. I will
Speaker 1: get it in the framework of my body, Ojo, because
Speaker 1: he's not gonna be under pressure because it's one, two three, boom,
Speaker 1: balls out, so he's not gonna be up under pressure.
Speaker 1: So I think I'm gonna get the ball somewhere in here,
Speaker 1: here here, not out here. Yeah, So it makes it difficult.
Speaker 1: It's like sometimes when you're dealing with a mobile quarterback,
Speaker 1: it's hard to adjust to them Ojoe because I run
Speaker 1: my route and next thing I know, he wear the
Speaker 1: crowd screaming. I'm like, damn, what happened? He way over there?
Speaker 1: I'm like, what, Dad. So it's hard when your quarterback
Speaker 1: is inconsistent. I don't give a damn what the receiver is.
Speaker 1: You want some consistency at that that position, but you
Speaker 1: want somebody that can digest information. The holch put the
Speaker 1: put it in, and he spit it right back out
Speaker 1: in the form of getting the ball out of his hand.
Speaker 1: I hope I'm wrong. I pray I'm wrong, But I
Speaker 1: just don't know if he's ever gonna be what many
Speaker 1: thought he would be, especially when you look at the
Speaker 1: game that he had against who did you play against Clemson?
Speaker 1: You look at that game and he had against Clemson,
Speaker 1: and he was sensational. Yeah and and and I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: now playing with those guys that he had alive and
Speaker 1: Garrett Wilson and all those guys. We understand, see see,
Speaker 1: but you didn't realize once you get to the NFL,
Speaker 1: the likelihood of you having five receivers that are five
Speaker 1: stars or or be that type of guy that the
Speaker 1: likelihood is not very good. Yeah. Does he have a Chase? No?
Speaker 1: Does he have a Jetta? Does he have any of
Speaker 1: the top top receivers. No?
Speaker 3: Not. Now what I will say, Now, what I will say,
Speaker 3: he does have Garrett Wilson.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Now, Garrett Wilson, who was who had a phenomenal who
Speaker 3: had a phenomenal rookie year.
Speaker 1: With facts that if you look at him, O Joe,
Speaker 1: if you look at him, if you just put him
Speaker 1: on paper and you say, look at what was throwing
Speaker 1: the Garrett Wilson when he won Offensive Rookie of the Year,
Speaker 1: and you look at what's throwing the Garrett Wilson. Now
Speaker 1: if you just look on just hey, you're like man
Speaker 1: with Justin Fields. He about to go and he played
Speaker 1: with him in college.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yeah, yeah, I mean I mean, listen, jud
Speaker 3: Garrett Wilson is a phenomenal talent. Nothing should taper off
Speaker 3: when you have a talent like that it's so easy
Speaker 3: when you look at what they're able to do with
Speaker 3: Devonte Adams and and pooping the cop hell JSN And
Speaker 3: obviously I don't think the Jets offensive coordinator has that
Speaker 3: kind of creativity to put in you and Justin Justin Field,
Speaker 3: to use Garrett Wilson in the right type of way
Speaker 3: to create those mismatches like the other team.
Speaker 1: I can give you all the nice ingredients, I won't,
Speaker 1: but if you got can't cook, what the hell have
Speaker 1: I done. I spent a whole lot of money on
Speaker 1: going great foods, great ingredients, and I know you can't
Speaker 1: make a dish with it. It comes down to it.
Speaker 1: Oh Joe, you're really good. Go look at Chopped and
Speaker 1: the Iron Chef and they get these they get these people. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you chocolate. I'm gonna give you onions.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you stone crabs. And I'm like, how
Speaker 1: did you even think of this? Yes? But you give somebody,
Speaker 1: you give them all. Okay, I'm gonna give you steak.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you this. I'm gonna give you that,
Speaker 1: And You're like, what I'm what I'm supposed to make?
Speaker 1: I just I hope I'm wrong, chat, I really do,
Speaker 1: But I just I just and I've seen him and
Speaker 1: I've watched him. Now, this man has gone through three
Speaker 1: head coaches and probably four offensive coordinators. And I'm not
Speaker 1: and and and and and and sometimes you get lucky
Speaker 1: and you get to you get a Sean mcvail, or
Speaker 1: you get a Kyle shan a hand but I just don't.
Speaker 1: I just don't know it, because at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, the quarterback position is all about process and
Speaker 1: information and then and spitting in the back out. That's
Speaker 1: what it comes down to, it is. I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't care how good, how big your arm is, I
Speaker 1: don't care how fast your legs are. Can you process it?
Speaker 1: O choe mm hmmm, Because that's that's a whole different bay,
Speaker 1: because not only make you process, you gotta realize they
Speaker 1: got they got fight that on most occasions they got
Speaker 1: four guys that's really trying to tear your damn head off.
Speaker 1: Oh so you got you in fear for your life.
Speaker 1: But also you gotta calm yourself down and says you
Speaker 1: know what, one to check down, one to throw it
Speaker 1: out of bounds, one to if that I'm out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, mhm, it's all. It's all about that.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe maybe put him in, maybe put him in
Speaker 1: hurry up the game, because it seems like, you know,
Speaker 1: when he's in hurry up, he's better. Yeah. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: then fumble. Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 3: Unless that that's on the set. That's on the center too,
Speaker 3: that's on the city. Come on, now, that's the NFL.
Speaker 3: Now put the put put the snap at the It
Speaker 3: should be the snap. The snap should come in the
Speaker 3: same area every single time you go through your dog.
Speaker 3: I mean like, come on now, come on, center, don't
Speaker 3: don't at that.
Speaker 1: Don't do that.
Speaker 3: I love man that the ball hit it, the ball
Speaker 3: hit his ankles.
Speaker 1: But you know what, it's just that, you know, take that,
Speaker 1: take that, Take that away. They got three points out
Speaker 1: of there. Give the defense credit because I thought the
Speaker 1: defense gave up one touchdowns and two field goals in
Speaker 1: the second half. Yeah, they did force the three and
Speaker 1: out on the on the first possession of the second half,
Speaker 1: which is kudos. Uh. You know, you see, I think
Speaker 1: the Jets won the toss and they took the ball.
Speaker 1: They drove the ball right down the field, something they
Speaker 1: don't normally don't do.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: It normally ends in a punt or or turnover and
Speaker 1: they drove the ball. I think they had the ball
Speaker 1: like fourteen plays and drove the ball and punched it
Speaker 1: in the end zone. But I just, Lord Hope, I'm wrong,
Speaker 1: But I just, I just I just don't see where
Speaker 1: he's ever gonna be more than what he is. I
Speaker 1: don't think he's ever gonna be turning to what and
Speaker 1: that's what. And that's okay because everybody ain't gonna be
Speaker 1: a Lamar Jackson. Everybody's not gonna be Josh Allon or
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahome. But I mean, I think if the Jets
Speaker 1: could be okay, if he was just like middle of
Speaker 1: the road, you just can't be you can't be the
Speaker 1: bottom tier. I'm not saying you got to be top tier,
Speaker 1: but I mean, if we got that kind of if
Speaker 1: we got Chad you can see this, if we got
Speaker 1: this much face, can you be somewhere.
Speaker 3: In here and not be down here in the middle, right?
Speaker 1: Can we get that? O? Joe? Mm hmm. You know
Speaker 1: it all?
Speaker 3: You know what else? It all comes down to not
Speaker 3: only all not only all the intangibles and all the
Speaker 3: all the nuances that we're talking about. But unless you
Speaker 3: got confidence, hut, ain't nothing happening. You got to be
Speaker 3: able to play with confidence. You have to be able
Speaker 3: to play with confidence and and everything that you do.
Speaker 3: And one of the most important positions, damn, quarterback is
Speaker 3: the most important, absolutely the most the most because if.
Speaker 1: You don't believe your your your body language, yeah, your
Speaker 1: aura is gonna say if you don't believe, I don't
Speaker 1: believe either. M hmm. I mean, if you don't trust
Speaker 1: your skill, why you won't me. That's why you used
Speaker 1: to get in the car that joke somebody built. But
Speaker 1: the seatbelt fast the seatbelt, Hell, I faster, mind you
Speaker 1: do something I don't so you can building you. I've
Speaker 1: been around quarterbacks when they walk into the huddle. You know,
Speaker 1: they do you the confidence that you know what the
Speaker 1: hell you do.
Speaker 3: It exactly, exactly exactly. I hope, I hope they get
Speaker 3: it together. I'm not sure what direction they're gonna go in,
Speaker 3: but the way they've started so far and letting the
Speaker 3: soft go and letting go oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I wait, listen, but who are you Gonna're gonna're gonna
Speaker 3: start over.
Speaker 1: With the court.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I believe, So you're gonna start with, So you're
Speaker 3: gonna draft another one. You're gonna draft it, I believe so.
Speaker 1: Or I mean, I don't know if there's any any
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that's gonna become available. Uh yeah, probably Sam Donald
Speaker 1: didn't want any parts of New York again, which I
Speaker 1: wouldn't blame him, you know. Uh, but look, I mean
Speaker 1: every day seemed like I hear a story about somebody
Speaker 1: that played there having an interaction with the owner, and
Speaker 1: it's never positive and it's never good, right Yeah, And uh,
Speaker 1: with that situation, I hope ag gets at least three years,
Speaker 1: because it's not like you had to have a powerful
Speaker 1: roster begin with. And now you stripped him of his
Speaker 1: two best defensive players, so he got to get at
Speaker 1: least two years. And without a quarterback, you can give
Speaker 1: him five years. And he's still not gonna get it
Speaker 1: done because you're not. It's hard, it's damn near impossible.
Speaker 1: And I know, ja well, y'all did it in twenty
Speaker 1: two thousands with the raid with Trend Dilfer. They don't
Speaker 1: allow you to play football like that. You don't play
Speaker 1: football like that anymore. The rules are different. So no, Hey,
Speaker 1: there's nobody winning another Super Bowl like we won it
Speaker 1: or like Tampa won it in O two. You're not
Speaker 1: because they won't allow you to play defense like that.
Speaker 1: Your quarterback is gonna have to stand in the pocket
Speaker 1: and he's gonna have to make plays throwing the f
Speaker 1: and football. Yeah, he's gonna be able to use his
Speaker 1: legs to get out of harm's way some but he's
Speaker 1: gonna have to be able to throw the football. The
Speaker 1: days of oh, we got to kill a defense and
Speaker 1: we're gonna run the ball. No, you're not. No, No,
Speaker 1: you're not.
Speaker 3: You're not. You're not gonna. You're not gonna win very
Speaker 3: many games like that because once the team gets ahead
Speaker 3: on you, once the team gets ahead on you ten
Speaker 3: fourteen points.
Speaker 1: And you can't run your way back into a game.
Speaker 3: Absolute.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, O Joe, do you like
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray because I believe there's I believe there's gonna
Speaker 1: be a separation of church in state in Arizona.
Speaker 3: Uh huh, Yeah, most definitely. Because I think Kyler Murray
Speaker 3: is healthy. I think me personally, I think he's healthy.
Speaker 3: But they're continuing to want to go with the Kobe
Speaker 3: Brissett based on how he look and how the offense
Speaker 3: moved with him, you know, the few weeks he's been
Speaker 3: in Uh, if they do part ways with him, I'm
Speaker 3: sure Kyler Murray will be somewhere.
Speaker 1: Else next year for sure.
Speaker 3: How how would it look over in New York I'm
Speaker 3: not sure. I'm not sure if if it's a fit.
Speaker 3: It all depends on AG. Obviously. Outside of AG, you
Speaker 3: you got to go to the higher powers and see
Speaker 3: if that's all yeah, they want to look into or
Speaker 3: do you want to go into the draft?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 3: When you when you think about some of the quarterbacks
Speaker 3: coming into the draft, you know this year, is there
Speaker 3: a franchise altering quarterback that can come in there and
Speaker 3: change the franchise. I haven't seen anything like that this year.
Speaker 3: There have been some that have played good, but nothing
Speaker 3: that just blows you out the water, like you know,
Speaker 3: with that guy, we got to have him.
Speaker 1: I agree.
Speaker 3: I haven't seen that. I haven't seen it.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it. So we'll see how this plays out.
Speaker 1: O Jo Mike Rable was apparently very close to landing
Speaker 1: the Jets job before the Patriot job Open Reporter Connor
Speaker 1: heugh e'splaying that New York England hadn't fired Girard Mail
Speaker 1: following its four and thirteen season. He believed Brabil would
Speaker 1: have been the helm of the New York right now,
Speaker 1: and truthfully, he was interested in the Jets as the
Speaker 1: Jets were interested in him. If the Patriot's job hadn't opened,
Speaker 1: I genuinely believed that Brabil would have been going to
Speaker 1: take the job. They wanted Mike Brabel more than anything else.
Speaker 1: So that's when he was the only way to take
Speaker 1: the Patriots job. They made the last second call. Is
Speaker 1: anything we can do to give you the job full control,
Speaker 1: more money? What do you want more? What more can
Speaker 1: we do to change your mind? O Jo? Yeah, if
Speaker 1: you interviewed him, you should have. He should have never
Speaker 1: left your building. You should have.
Speaker 3: Hey, listen, you got to do that. You got to understand,
Speaker 3: you got to understand a coach like that, which is
Speaker 3: why mister Crabb did with Yes, this is why mister
Speaker 3: Crabb did. He understood, he understood the assignmon ain't nowhere
Speaker 3: in hell we have a quarterback. I think he just
Speaker 3: had the right person in charge, you know, with a
Speaker 3: little structure, with a little discipline, that can then and
Speaker 3: instill that Patriot way, you know. Graw Mayo I think
Speaker 3: was well capable of doing so. They just didn't play
Speaker 3: well for Grawd Mayo for for whatever reason, I don't know,
Speaker 3: but the team looked completely different under the tutelage of goddamn.
Speaker 1: Micro different teams.
Speaker 3: Hey don't I don't know why, but listen. I don't
Speaker 3: think Mike Raby would have had success in New York anyway.
Speaker 3: He wouldn't have had success. Hell, if you're gonna have success,
Speaker 3: if you couldn't do it in Tennessee, you damn she
Speaker 3: won't be.
Speaker 1: Able to do in New York. I think I think
Speaker 1: Tennessee got with him prematurely. That's what I think. I
Speaker 1: think the thing you don't listen today, like he and
Speaker 1: and and the owners started butting head you know, you
Speaker 1: know A and yeah, and uh, you know, I guarantee
Speaker 1: she wish she had Mike Brabel. Now she's finding out.
Speaker 1: She's finding out the hard way. Yes, she's finding out
Speaker 1: the hard way. I think the thing is like when
Speaker 1: you're when you're in that type of position, you're in
Speaker 1: ownership and you're a leadership, the one thing you can't
Speaker 1: be is impulsive, get mad, you fired. You can't do it,
Speaker 1: even though sometimes I understand that you want you might
Speaker 1: want to. You're never working this industry again, right, Brabel
Speaker 1: had I mean think about it. And then they they
Speaker 1: they they let Derrick Henry go and they ended up
Speaker 1: trading A J. Brown.
Speaker 3: Yes, listen, horrible decision by A J. Wanted out, but
Speaker 3: they were making horrible decisions.
Speaker 1: They would.
Speaker 3: Yeah that that too, but the trade was to try
Speaker 3: and better they team. Let's see what we can get
Speaker 3: for him and see if we can improve our team.
Speaker 3: They drafted brother Trailing.
Speaker 1: Burks, who was supposed to I think got my chemra
Speaker 1: cut off.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that that that didn't pan out. That
Speaker 3: didn't pan out too well. So, I mean it's just
Speaker 3: they've been making some bad business decisions when it comes
Speaker 3: to not only players, but the coaches. Yes, the coaches,
Speaker 3: well you have you have a super Bowl winning coach
Speaker 3: that knows what it takes to win. He knows how
Speaker 3: to bill a team, obviously coming from the New Way,
Speaker 3: the page Away, coming from England. You know what I
Speaker 3: have the formula, I know what it takes. It's not
Speaker 3: gonna be the snap of a finger. And you can't
Speaker 3: just take money and throw money at it. I need
Speaker 3: time now and with that time, I need you to
Speaker 3: give me a quarterback. If you give me a quarterback,
Speaker 3: I'll take care.
Speaker 1: Of the rest.
Speaker 3: He goes New England. He has a quarterback. Okay, you
Speaker 3: know what, Now we set we have a franchise quarterback
Speaker 3: for the next ten to fifteen years. Now, mister Kraft,
Speaker 3: let me, let me do the rest. Let me do
Speaker 3: the rest. So what we see from the Patriots right now,
Speaker 3: we finish, see this for the next ten.
Speaker 1: Twelve fifty for sure, because the one thing that you
Speaker 1: know about mister Kraft is that he'll get he'll step
Speaker 1: out of the way. Yeah, step out of the way. Now.
Speaker 1: Do I think he has more in common with Brabel
Speaker 1: than he did Coach Belichick? Yes, I do. I think
Speaker 1: I think under normal circumstances, mister Craft and Coach Belichick
Speaker 1: probably with have butted heads. But in a situation like
Speaker 1: where we're in, O Joe, I'm gonna hey, I'm mining
Speaker 1: goal and we're still finding it. Yeah, and now if
Speaker 1: Brabel takes that job and they can entice Sam Donald
Speaker 1: to come back, because I do think Sam Donald says, Okay,
Speaker 1: here's a coach that has control. I ain't got to
Speaker 1: I don't gotta worry about ownership. I ain't got to
Speaker 1: worry about no general manager. Mike Brabel got controlled. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying he has as much control, but I believe
Speaker 1: who's the general manager didn't he didn't didn't the general
Speaker 1: manager come back with Brabel? Yeah, because at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, O Joe, some people take jobs, and
Speaker 1: I'm just happy to have a job. They ain't got
Speaker 1: no sale over to fifty three, they got no silver
Speaker 1: fifty free agency. They ain't got no say over to Drayt. Yeah.
Speaker 3: That that's hard. That's hard. That's hard to be a coach.
Speaker 1: Or was he already there? I know you got great.
Speaker 1: Brabel more than likely has sale over fifty three and
Speaker 1: has some say draft because he knows what he wants.
Speaker 1: He knows the type of player, he knows the system
Speaker 1: that he's trying to run. He knows the type of
Speaker 1: player that he needs to fit set. That's why Coach
Speaker 1: Belichick a lot of times when he drafted players, he
Speaker 1: wouldn't work them out himself, but he needed to talk
Speaker 1: to because the thing is, you can't have a big
Speaker 1: ego and play for coach Belichick because you say, what
Speaker 1: do Nah, you gotta leave your ego at home, because see,
Speaker 1: if you check it at the door, you might anybody
Speaker 1: to look and go back and get it. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Nah, that ain't gonna work. No, that it ain't gonna
Speaker 3: matter of fact, it's it's not gonna work with Rabel,
Speaker 3: absolutely not. Hey, look, hey, hold on, what's the first
Speaker 3: thing we said about Stephan Diggs. What's the first thing
Speaker 3: everyone says about Stefan Diggs. Well, hell, he looks like
Speaker 3: a whole different person. He seemed like a whole different person. No,
Speaker 3: thats just when you walk in that door in New England,
Speaker 3: and just something about that atmosphere. They always talk about
Speaker 3: the Patriot Way, and so I can't explain it.
Speaker 1: I was there.
Speaker 3: It's just the the or the atmosphere.
Speaker 1: Just you you.
Speaker 3: Check yourself down.
Speaker 1: The standard is the standard automatically.
Speaker 3: You just do it.
Speaker 1: Is that your sound on my sound not? Can you
Speaker 1: speak of that? Your mind was moving? I hear nothing.
Speaker 3: Oh, my bad, My bad, My bad. You know you
Speaker 3: know I be talking so goddamn fast man, My bad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but uh man, I look, the Patriot's gonna be
Speaker 1: good for a long time. And what we thought was
Speaker 1: a foregone conclusion that Josh Allen and the Buffalo Bills
Speaker 1: is gonna run this division for the next ten years.
Speaker 1: That's not gonna be the change. It's gonna be a
Speaker 1: dog fight this division. It's gonna be a dog fight
Speaker 1: this division. Between two teams, Oh for sure. Between between
Speaker 1: two teams, it's gonna always. It's gonna be always for
Speaker 1: the next decade. It's gonna be the Patriots or the
Speaker 1: goddamn Bills. I agree. Oh not your guppies. Who guppies?
Speaker 3: Oh no, listen, listen, listen. The Dolphins and the Jets
Speaker 3: are in the same boat. Then it's only because they
Speaker 3: finish scrap. They finish scrapping and clean house too.
Speaker 1: They are oh joe. Bleacher Report ranks his five most
Speaker 1: overrated quarterbacks. They named Lamar Jackson as the most overrated
Speaker 1: quarterback in the NFL, said he may not just be
Speaker 1: one today's most overrated active quarterbacks, but also of all time.
Speaker 1: His two time MVP status is borderline fraudulent. His credentials
Speaker 1: don't measure up to other leisures who've won the award
Speaker 1: on numerous occasions. Of the ten players that have joined
Speaker 1: multiple MVP clubs during the Super Bowl era, Jackson is
Speaker 1: the lone member without a Super Bowl ring. All The
Speaker 1: others on that list include Johnny uniteds Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 1: Tom Brady, Brett Farb, Joe Montano, Steve Young, Kurt Warner,
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes were able to take their team to multiple
Speaker 1: Super Bowl appearances and one at least once. Jackson has
Speaker 1: yet to even reach the Big Game. He's three and
Speaker 1: five lifetime in playoffs and has a three seventy five
Speaker 1: postseason winning percentage that stands far away the worst among
Speaker 1: multiple MVP winners. First of all, Steve Young did not
Speaker 1: take no team to multiple MVPs. He was a backup.
Speaker 1: He took his team to one Super Bowl and he
Speaker 1: did win it. That was in nineteen ninety four. He
Speaker 1: threw six touchdowns in Miami to beat the Chargers. So
Speaker 1: let's yeah, I like to give context. Steve Young did
Speaker 1: not go to multiple Super Bowls now. Also, if I'm
Speaker 1: not mistaken, I think Earl Morrill didn't Earl Morrills start
Speaker 1: one of those Super Bowl for the Coats. Oh, you
Speaker 1: had a two? Johnny United did the Earl? Yeah, Miami,
Speaker 1: Johnny Johnny went to two two. Uh coach went went
Speaker 1: to two Super Bowls. I know they beat the Cowboys
Speaker 1: on the field goal.
Speaker 5: There, Oh Johnny, Yeah, okay, okay, look.
Speaker 1: I get it. Yes, and and oh Joe, we talked
Speaker 1: about this. This is the the albatross. This is the
Speaker 1: elephant in the room. You see the names that are
Speaker 1: on this list that of one multiple MVPs, Lamar is
Speaker 1: the only one that hasn't been to a Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: That's not to say, oh Joe, his career is not
Speaker 1: ending tomorrow, but everybody jumped on me when I said
Speaker 1: his career will be looked at it as a disappointment
Speaker 1: if he doesn't get to a Super Bowl considering what
Speaker 1: he had accomplished. You basical it on what these other
Speaker 1: guys see. You can't just look, well, he won two MVPs.
Speaker 1: You got to look at the company that he's in.
Speaker 1: That's one two MVPs. Now you start looking at it,
Speaker 1: you're like, well, damn, he has to get to one.
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers went to one. He has to get to
Speaker 1: at least one. And then we look at him totally different.
Speaker 1: He gets the one and he wins it, we look
Speaker 1: at him differently. Ojo, we just do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, But yeah, listen, I understand the company to
Speaker 3: keep the fact that he's won two MVPs, the fact
Speaker 3: that he's one of those MVPs, those that in the
Speaker 3: chat that are listening, that are watching, you have to
Speaker 3: understand that he's in a different CLEAs in the class
Speaker 3: of his own, in a different class for that matter.
Speaker 3: So when it comes to judging him, he judged based
Speaker 3: off his his what he's not cam Padre's what's the
Speaker 3: world I'm looking for pep and the company his peers.
Speaker 3: He judged based on his other peers that have want
Speaker 3: MVP's as well, and most of them, if not all,
Speaker 3: have been to a Super Bowl, whether they want a
Speaker 3: Super Bowl or not, So he judg off of that.
Speaker 3: But the whole overrated part is the part I don't like.
Speaker 3: That's the part I don't like saying that he's overrated
Speaker 3: because he hadn't gotten there yet when he's still playing
Speaker 3: and only a seventh maybe eighth year, I'm not sure
Speaker 3: which one it is.
Speaker 1: It's ridiculous that nothing about Lamar's first year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, but but nothing about Lamar Jackson and what
Speaker 3: he brings to the table, what he brings to the NFL,
Speaker 3: what he bring to the Baltimore Ravens in general and
Speaker 3: giving them a chance and having him a contention every
Speaker 3: goddamn year. Nothing about that is overrated. That's the part
Speaker 3: I don't like. Now that is more to me, it's
Speaker 3: more clickbait. There should be a differ, different title when
Speaker 3: it comes to talk about the quarterbacks that have won
Speaker 3: MVPs and have been or won a Super Bowl. That
Speaker 3: the title should be goddamn different, overrated, my goddamn mad.
Speaker 3: Now that that's a bunch of bullshit.
Speaker 1: Let me ask your question. But when you looking at
Speaker 1: him him, you but to here's the thing they're not seeing.
Speaker 1: You're looking at him against his peers. They're looking at
Speaker 1: him against his peers that have won two MVPs. So
Speaker 1: when you look at him, look at the clans that
Speaker 1: he's in. You compare him to my home boy two MVPs,
Speaker 1: five super Bowl appearances, three wins. You're looking at Peyton
Speaker 1: Manning five MVPs, three super Bowl appearances, two wins. You
Speaker 1: look at Tom Brake, move on, you look at Yeah,
Speaker 1: you look at brand Fat. How about how about this?
Speaker 3: Everybody on that list, everybody on the list except one person,
Speaker 3: is already done and not playing any correct. Everybody on
Speaker 3: the list is done and not playing. So how about
Speaker 3: we wait until he's done playing, and then we justify
Speaker 3: whether he belongs in that company or not, or whether
Speaker 3: he's overrated or not. And even if he doesn't go
Speaker 3: to a goddamned super Bowl, what he's going to continue
Speaker 3: to do the resume that he's gonna put together whether
Speaker 3: he wins three more MVPs and doesn't make a goddamn
Speaker 3: super Bowl or not, nothing about Lamar Jackson is overrated.
Speaker 3: I know the fact that the way we judge quarterbacks
Speaker 3: is based on wins and losses and rings and hardware
Speaker 3: and all that, But when it comes down to the
Speaker 3: nitty gritty where you're talking to people that played the game,
Speaker 3: forget forget the media, forget the pundits, forget those that
Speaker 3: never played the game. Nothing about young bull out of
Speaker 3: goddamned Pompino, who played for Boy and Beach High School
Speaker 3: is overrated. Whether he has a goddamn ring or not,
Speaker 3: he will still go down as one of the best, the
Speaker 3: best quarterbacks that ever play this goddamn game. How do
Speaker 3: we judge Damn Marino? Do we say Damn Marinos not
Speaker 3: winning the great because.
Speaker 1: G R E. A. T. Great. Now if we add
Speaker 1: s t one of the greatests, a's what he's going for.
Speaker 1: You see, you said something very interesting and this is
Speaker 1: and this is actually true. Only quarterbacks getting measured by
Speaker 1: wins and Super Bowl, no other, no other position. Super
Speaker 1: Bowls matter, right, not like they do for a quarterback
Speaker 1: because oh cho, even when when Brady wasn't putting up
Speaker 1: numbers like Peyton Manning, they said he was better than
Speaker 1: Manning because what did he have that Manning didn't? Championships?
Speaker 1: Think about it now, Peyton Manning had won multiple multiple MVPs.
Speaker 1: Brady had three Super Bowls. Manning had three regular season MVPs.
Speaker 1: They say, well, Brady's better because Brady has as you
Speaker 1: was pointing to your fingers, that's how they, Oh, I
Speaker 1: don't sit the rules. You see what happened with ring culture.
Speaker 1: You see what is it done? It'll make people jump
Speaker 1: around and go try to find the best situation where
Speaker 1: they can win a ring, and then they shut you up,
Speaker 1: and it's like, okay, I've already done what I needed
Speaker 1: to do.
Speaker 3: Now they no more argument and no more argument at
Speaker 3: that point, Especially when it comes to basketball, you have
Speaker 3: those that that that have to chase the ring because
Speaker 3: of ring culture in the rules, the unwritten rules. Matter
Speaker 3: of fact, how about that the unwritten rules? Because who
Speaker 3: the hell came.
Speaker 1: Up with it? I don't know. Because they were saying,
Speaker 1: they were saying Jordan was better than Magic, and Magic
Speaker 1: had five rings. They were saying, but Jordan was better
Speaker 1: than Bird, and Bird had three m vps in three rings.
Speaker 1: He had, he's the last guy to win three consecutive MVPs.
Speaker 1: You gotta go all the way back to wild. So
Speaker 1: what has happened is that now I give you another one.
Speaker 1: The next couple of years, people gonna say s Shelle
Speaker 1: way A Tani is the greatest basketball player we've ever seen.
Speaker 1: He's got four m He's got him unanimously, He's got
Speaker 1: two super he got two World Series wings, O Joe.
Speaker 1: He had one of the great postseason performers where he
Speaker 1: struck out ten and hit three home runs. Now he
Speaker 1: messed around and get another one and win another World Series?
Speaker 1: Who we who? What? We?
Speaker 2: Who?
Speaker 1: What we gonna compare him to because we with for
Speaker 1: MVP unanimously.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's crazy.
Speaker 1: So you see, once you start and Barry Barnes was
Speaker 1: so great, even everybody that played against him, said that
Speaker 1: is the greatest player that I've ever seen. Greg Maddick said, well,
Speaker 1: it was it really easy to pick the Barry if
Speaker 1: it mattered you walked him. He said, his job was
Speaker 1: to get twenty seven hours. You ain'tn't get him on him,
Speaker 1: So pick the other eight guys to get and figure
Speaker 1: and figure it out. So when you look at oo, look,
Speaker 1: it's hard to say a man a man like Lamar
Speaker 1: And maybe you're right, maybe overrated is a harsh turn.
Speaker 1: But I think if we they're looking they're looking at
Speaker 1: it as the ten guys that have something that no
Speaker 1: other guys have, and that is think about the NFL
Speaker 1: going on, hold.
Speaker 3: On, stay with me, staying me real quick. Now, So
Speaker 3: if we if we talk about hard right and hardware,
Speaker 3: hardware puts quarterbacks in a different and different in a
Speaker 3: different year where we're not just great great is So
Speaker 3: are we saying like Ben Rothlisberger belongs in that tier two?
Speaker 3: Are we saying Russell Wilson also belongs in that tier two?
Speaker 3: When we talk about quarterbacks that are the greatest because
Speaker 3: they no no no.
Speaker 1: No no no no no no no no no no
Speaker 1: no no. But here's the thing, oh Joe, None of
Speaker 1: these none of those guys have regular season MVPs. Okay,
Speaker 1: oh so they're okay, there there, there's.
Speaker 3: So we can't we can't, we can't move.
Speaker 1: Let me ask your question. Has anybody ever said Ben
Speaker 1: Roethlisberger's greater than Tom Brady? Peyton Manning. No, So, when
Speaker 1: you so, when you look at it, and so when
Speaker 1: you when you look at it, you have to have
Speaker 1: regular season MVPs. That does matter. Now when you when
Speaker 1: you start getting postseason MVPs, that means you won the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. See you see Brady Brady Brady has three
Speaker 1: regular season MVPs. He has seven Super Bowls and five
Speaker 1: Super Bowl MVPs. So no matter what criteria you use,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be hard for somebody to overtake him unless
Speaker 1: my homeboy gets five MVPs. It's let's just say, for
Speaker 1: the sake of art, we have a compelling case. If
Speaker 1: my homeboy Mahon boys not even thirty. I think he
Speaker 1: just turned thirty, yes, so, and and the thing, he
Speaker 1: just turned thirty. So when you look at it, oh Joe,
Speaker 1: I think that is the thing. They're they're comparing him
Speaker 1: in this elite category elite, which is guys that have
Speaker 1: won multiple m vps. It ain't that many quarterbacks. That's
Speaker 1: one two, what is it? Uninis Manning, Rogers, Brady Farv Montana,
Speaker 1: Young Warner, mahme, it's nine. Lamar makes ten. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: the only one that's never been to a super Bowl. Now,
Speaker 1: if he doesn't get to a super Bowl, what are
Speaker 1: they gonna say? Ojo? Be honest, you know what they're
Speaker 1: gonna say.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We know what
Speaker 3: they're gonna say. We know what they're gonna say. But
Speaker 3: I listen, huh, I know what they're gonna say. But
Speaker 3: I know what. My eyes haven't seen all he is,
Speaker 3: I've seen.
Speaker 1: Let me do you one better. They say, guys that
Speaker 1: got super Bowl rings at the receiver position better than
Speaker 1: Ojo because Ocho ain't got no rings. But you run
Speaker 1: circles around them on the field. You see how they did?
Speaker 1: See how they did? You see you see how they
Speaker 1: did that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got you, I got listen, I'm with you
Speaker 3: when you're right now, I'm picking up what saying. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So now, so just imagine they do that for the receipt.
Speaker 1: So imagine if a quarterback that's what I said.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's even, it's even, it's even worse. It's
Speaker 3: even worse. Now. I hate that it's like that. I
Speaker 3: hate that it's like that. It's it's somewhat of an
Speaker 3: unwritten rule just like the unrul of hockey when it
Speaker 3: comes to fighting, just like the unwritten unwritten rule in baseball.
Speaker 3: Like I understand it. I hate that it's like that
Speaker 3: hey ring culture when it comes to talking basketball, it
Speaker 3: just does. Yeah, it matters, but that that's just the
Speaker 3: way it is. But I mean, it is what it is.
Speaker 3: I think I think with the way obviously they didn't
Speaker 3: they didn't, they didn't have a good year, a good
Speaker 3: start through the year. They obviously they still the Ravens.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah yeah. But I think they're gonna win
Speaker 1: the division. I think they're gonna get a they're gonna
Speaker 1: get a home game.
Speaker 2: Whoa, whoa.
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna wint about the division. So what about?
Speaker 3: So what you think? What you think we're gonna do?
Speaker 1: So you could do nothing?
Speaker 3: Hold on, hold on, I'll tell you what I know.
Speaker 1: I tell you what this is.
Speaker 3: I'm very serious tonight. I'm very serious to night. But
Speaker 3: I'll tell you this, I will give you guys a
Speaker 3: division if we lose to the Steelers, which I doubt
Speaker 3: we do. If we lose to the Steelers, I say,
Speaker 3: you guys are probably gonna win the division at that point.
Speaker 3: But if we go in there and we beat the Steelers,
Speaker 3: that momentum, I tell you, I tell you what, that
Speaker 3: momentum the rest of the season is gonna be hell.
Speaker 3: I don't I don't give two you know what to
Speaker 3: drop the dried up pigeon, you know what on concrete?
Speaker 3: How bad our defense is that momentum? Offensively? Man, man, listen, man,
Speaker 3: I don't know. It's gonna be tough. Now we if
Speaker 3: we if we lose to the Steelers, I mean, that's it.
Speaker 3: It's a rat.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3: I mean our seasons.
Speaker 1: And so that's that's that's the thing, because you know,
Speaker 1: you look at Lamar and it's it's tough because in
Speaker 1: his era mm hm uh, he got my homes. There
Speaker 1: are a lot of quarters. There are a lot of
Speaker 1: people that's gonna get overlooked, just like they got overlooked.
Speaker 1: Ben didn't get the credit he deserves. Drew Brees didn't
Speaker 1: get the credit that they deserve. Because why they played
Speaker 1: in the era with Smack Dawn, with Peyton Manning and
Speaker 1: Tom Brady and you're talking about guys that got eight
Speaker 1: regular season MVPs and ten no, hell no, Tom is
Speaker 1: nine and twelve super Bowl appearances with nine wins.
Speaker 3: Yeah. God, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: Man's crazy.
Speaker 3: And it's you know, it's so funny too, is is
Speaker 3: we've been spoiled. We've been spoiled, whether the Peyton Mannings
Speaker 3: and and then the Tom Brady's and the Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 3: and the Joe Montown And people don't understand how difficult
Speaker 3: that Aaron Rodgers the breadthat they don't understand Beren Rogers
Speaker 3: all these quarterbacks and it's thirty two teams. It's thirty
Speaker 3: two teams and it's only a handful of quarterbacks in
Speaker 3: each hand Yeah, almost over thirty years that are Tier
Speaker 3: one quarterback.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: That just lets people know how difficult that position is
Speaker 3: and how special those are that are in those conversations.
Speaker 1: That we're talking about.
Speaker 3: And the fact that Lamar's name is in those conversations
Speaker 3: and went into NVPS and those unwritten rules kind of
Speaker 3: give you like, augh, he's not really there yet until
Speaker 3: he does this. So he got, he got to get there.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure when it's gonna happen, but it's gonna
Speaker 3: happen before his career.
Speaker 1: Yes, my bad. Tom has ten super Bowl appearances. God
Speaker 1: damn he has ten. Oh that's crit lost to Eli
Speaker 1: twice and lost to a Nick Foles. Yes, or the
Speaker 1: trick of the Philly Special. Yeah, oh Joe. Now here's
Speaker 1: the next five that had Lamar number one, had Jeorde
Speaker 1: Love number two, Justin Herbert number three, Dak Prescott number four,
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence number five. Nowh Trevor Lawrence. Need to be
Speaker 1: with Lamar? Is? I will put Lamar down there. If
Speaker 1: you're gonna put the you're gonna put Lamar on his list.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put him down at five, right man, Trevor Lawrenen,
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence. Man, I don't think Justin Herbert is overrated.
Speaker 1: Let's see now that he has Jim Harbaugh, the one
Speaker 1: thing we know about Jim Harbor. Yeah, he gonna win.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. They're gonna play like stand out defense and
Speaker 1: he gets. He gonna get to a super Bowl. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna say it's gonna beat this year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he definitely he definitely gonna get he getting
Speaker 3: there and listen and and the way Justin Herbert is
Speaker 3: playing this year too. Man, Justin Herbert is throwing at
Speaker 3: absolutely he Quentin john It is Quentin Johnston Quinston Quinton
Speaker 3: Quentin mm hmm. Man Young Bull, Young Bull got his
Speaker 3: confidence playing extremely well. That Darius McConkey playing extremely well.
Speaker 3: Keenan Allen, that veteran presence in that locker room playing
Speaker 3: extremely well.
Speaker 1: So they're.
Speaker 3: Right now. I forgot about Rondie Gass in the second
Speaker 3: catching hell of that ball being a Marion Hampton. I
Speaker 3: think he's coming back. He's coming back on the back
Speaker 3: on the back end of the season.
Speaker 1: I think he.
Speaker 3: I think he's gonna be back off injury. They they
Speaker 3: gonna make a nice little run. They're gonna make a nice.
Speaker 1: Absolutely will uh. George Love, George Loves gonna have he
Speaker 1: gonna have to get better, man, George Love's gonna have
Speaker 1: to be better. I don't know if somebody hasn't got
Speaker 1: in his ear and talk about, bro, you got to
Speaker 1: push the ball down the field. Man. You make too
Speaker 1: much money. You make too much money to be to
Speaker 1: be missing these throws like and I'm not saying you're
Speaker 1: gonna make every You're not gonna make every throw. I
Speaker 1: get that, I understand, And I'm not trying to minimize
Speaker 1: playing that position because that's a position I couldn't play
Speaker 1: very But come on, bro, that's why they play. The
Speaker 1: more you get paid, the more expected, the more expectation
Speaker 1: and a bird that is placed on you. That's just
Speaker 1: that's just the rules of engagement.
Speaker 3: Hey, can you imagine? Can you imagine being responsible not
Speaker 3: only for a team, but playing the most important position
Speaker 3: on the field. The ball is in your hands the most.
Speaker 3: They paying you fifty fifty five million dollars a year.
Speaker 3: Matter of fact, forget a year, they paying you fifty
Speaker 3: fifty five million dollars in six months, six months. And
Speaker 3: I need, I need you to carry this franchise. Man,
Speaker 3: you talk about pressure. I know, it's the game of football.
Speaker 3: It's what we've all done since we were four years old.
Speaker 1: But man, man, yeah, but look, I'm with you, Ojo.
Speaker 1: I believe Lamar Jackson is going to get to a
Speaker 1: super Bowl, and once he gets there and he wins it,
Speaker 1: it's over.
Speaker 3: Hey, get that monk, get that monkey off my back
Speaker 3: so I can go play freely. Please, thank you.
Speaker 1: You see, think about it. I give your problem. Example,
Speaker 1: Lebron James had two m vps, but he had never
Speaker 1: hadn't gotten to the finals. He had two lost two,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden he he won, got
Speaker 1: that monkey off his back. Yeah, it was you miss right,
Speaker 1: and let Lamar get this thing, get the monkey off
Speaker 1: his back. He might get the mike double you up,
Speaker 1: go back to back?
Speaker 3: Jack, Yeah, hey, I got one question too, now that
Speaker 3: we're talking about those hundred rules, especially in these conversations
Speaker 3: when it comes to quarterbacks and m vps, it was
Speaker 3: it was just on my well, well, it's kind of
Speaker 3: different because Jayleen Hurst, Jayla Hurst has a Super Bowl
Speaker 3: MVP and a ring, so he's not in that conversation.
Speaker 1: These are only are the only guys in the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl that had at least too regularly the MVPs. Right, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: there are nine guys. Lamar make the tenth. Lamar is
Speaker 1: the only one that hasn't appeared any Super Bowl. And
Speaker 1: think about it, Peyton Manning never went back to back.
Speaker 1: Tom and Tom, Joe and Mahomes are the only ones
Speaker 1: to go back to back of the group that right,
Speaker 1: Peyton didn't go to back to back Super Bowls. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Kurt didn't. Kurt went ninety nine, we won two thousand.
Speaker 1: They went in two thousand and one, and then he
Speaker 1: went again with Arizona, I think, And what was that
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight? I think it was two thousand
Speaker 1: and eight because two thousand and nine was New Orleans
Speaker 1: two thousand what do you call him? Because seven was
Speaker 1: the Giants, eight was the Steelers, nine, nine was yeah,
Speaker 1: nine was New Orleans. Ten was the Giants again, yeah,
Speaker 1: eleven was the Packers. Yeah, h yeah, eleven was the Packers,
Speaker 1: twelve for the Seahawks. Oh man, I'm sorry, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm just I was just, you know, just just going.
Speaker 1: But like I said, o, yo, once he gives that
Speaker 1: monkey off his back.
Speaker 3: Oh Joe, Yeah, yeah, you're gonna be fine. A and
Speaker 3: that that ship hard. I'm gonna go cause we've been
Speaker 3: on this thing.
Speaker 1: About because you know why it's hard, because they say
Speaker 1: there's nothing like a game seven. Well, in the NFL,
Speaker 1: there's every game is a game seven. Every game, every game,
Speaker 1: wild card game is game seven, Divisional round game seven,
Speaker 1: Conference Final game seven, super Bowl game seven. Football, you
Speaker 1: play a game seven every time you step on the
Speaker 1: field in the playoffs in football.
Speaker 3: Matter of fact, four weeks yes, four weeks of game
Speaker 3: four weeks of game seven yes, and you gotta mustard
Speaker 3: up and play your football. You got to play your
Speaker 3: best football.