WEBVTT - Bengals Booth Podcast: Keep On Running

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, gain everybody. I'm Dan Hord and thanks for downloading

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<v Speaker 1>The Bengals Booth Podcast. The Keep On Running addition, as

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<v Speaker 1>the Bengals look for their second straight win as they

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<v Speaker 1>faced the Browns in Cleveland. Coming up, Chase Brown discusses

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<v Speaker 1>his touchdown run that clinched last week's win and the

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<v Speaker 1>fumble that preceded it. CBS sideline reporter Adde Kinkobwalla shares

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<v Speaker 1>her thoughts on the Bengals as she gets ready to

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<v Speaker 1>cover this week's game, and in our No The Faux segment,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll get an in depth look at the Browns from

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<v Speaker 1>since The Wonder of Stevie podcast. I love Stevie Wonder,

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<v Speaker 1>and if we play the you can only have five

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<v Speaker 1>albums on a Desert Island game, one of my selections

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<v Speaker 1>is definitely going to be Stevie's nineteen seventy six masterpiece

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<v Speaker 1>Songs in the Key of Life. It's also cheating a

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<v Speaker 1>bit because it's a double album. In any case, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>currently listening to a podcast series called The Wonder of

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<v Speaker 1>Stevie that focuses on a five year stretch when Stevie

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<v Speaker 1>include Barack and Michelle Obama, Smokey Robinson, Dion Warwick, and

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<v Speaker 1>many others. It's very well done. And the title of

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<v Speaker 1>this podcast, Keep on Running, is a Stevie Wonder song.

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<v Speaker 1>He sings it slightly better than I do. Now let's

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<v Speaker 1>get to my first guest. The Cleveland Browns get running

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<v Speaker 1>back Nick Chubb back this week from the gruesome knee

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<v Speaker 1>injury he suffered in Week two last year. For his career,

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<v Speaker 1>Chub averages five point twenty six yards per carry. That's

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<v Speaker 1>second best in NFL history, behind Jamal Charles at five

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<v Speaker 1>point three eight. Well, so far this year, Chase Brown

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<v Speaker 1>has been even better than them. He's averaging five and

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<v Speaker 1>a half yards per carry. Get I caught up with

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<v Speaker 1>a twenty four year old this week.

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<v Speaker 2>Chase.

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<v Speaker 1>I interviewed you right after the game on Sunday night.

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<v Speaker 1>You had just scored the clinching thirty yard touchdown run

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<v Speaker 1>and you were not happy because you had fumbled on

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<v Speaker 1>the previous plane it ruled out of bounds. It's been

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<v Speaker 1>a few days. Have you let it go?

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<v Speaker 2>Let it go?

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<v Speaker 3>My mind's on Cleveland. Just got to be better in

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<v Speaker 3>those situations. Got to protect the ball regardless of you know,

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<v Speaker 3>how we finished.

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<v Speaker 1>Was it meaningful to you that they went to you

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<v Speaker 1>on the very next play? It was.

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<v Speaker 3>It's something that I thought about after the game, just,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, coach having that trust in me to you know,

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<v Speaker 3>learn from my mistakes quickly and you know, flush that

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<v Speaker 3>out and just focus on the next play.

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<v Speaker 4>So it meant a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>There's the Lambeau Leap, There's the jungle jump. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what they call it at MetLife Stadium, but you

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<v Speaker 1>jumped into the stands after that touchdown. Did you seek

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<v Speaker 1>out Bengals fans? Did you know that there was a possibility?

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<v Speaker 1>How did that go?

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<v Speaker 3>I just well, I didn't know what I was gonna

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<v Speaker 3>do when I first got in, but when I saw

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<v Speaker 3>the first Bengals fan in the corner, I'm like, screw it,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going out. So I jumped up there, had a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit of fun, and got right back down. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it was It was definitely a moment. Maybe we can

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<v Speaker 3>tell it the Giant jump or something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Coach Taylor said on Monday that in retrospect, he would

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<v Speaker 1>have asked the team to go down before scoring in

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<v Speaker 1>order to run out the clock. Is that hard to

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<v Speaker 1>do as a running back. I'm sure you would have

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<v Speaker 1>done it, but you spend every waking moment trying to

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<v Speaker 1>get into the end zone.

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<v Speaker 3>Definitely just got another situation. We'll call that mud situation.

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<v Speaker 3>So I mean, get the first down and get down.

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<v Speaker 3>So in the future, definitely learn from that moment so

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<v Speaker 3>we don't have to send the defense back out there.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, I mean to finish the game on an

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<v Speaker 3>explosive play. I'm not going to complain about that, but

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<v Speaker 3>definitely could approach that situation. Smarter.

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<v Speaker 1>We're visiting with Chase Brown. Through six games, your sixth

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<v Speaker 1>in the NFL and yards per carry five point five

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<v Speaker 1>yards per carry, nearly twenty percent of your runs have

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<v Speaker 1>gone for ten or more yards. What do you think

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<v Speaker 1>you've done well? What do you think you need to

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<v Speaker 1>do better?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean that's a huge shout out to the line.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean they're crushing it up front, opening up these

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<v Speaker 3>run lanes and I'm just taking advantage of what I'm seeing.

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<v Speaker 3>So we just got to keep that rolling. Something that

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<v Speaker 3>I could do better. We can just be more efficient,

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<v Speaker 3>eliminate the negative runs and turn those into more efficient

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<v Speaker 3>and positive games. So that's that's my thought process at

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<v Speaker 3>this point.

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<v Speaker 1>In season from the broadcast booth. Every time you get

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<v Speaker 1>the ball, it feels like there's a chance you might

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<v Speaker 1>go the distance. Is that how it feels on.

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<v Speaker 3>The field, Definitely. I mean with with with the way

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<v Speaker 3>that the tight ends and the on line seats are blocking,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, anything's possible on any run play. So for myself,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I'm trying to put that put that ball

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<v Speaker 3>in the paint every single time if I can. But

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<v Speaker 3>I think the best is yet to come. Playing it

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<v Speaker 3>more explosives in big place.

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<v Speaker 1>You were miked up for sound in the Baltimore game.

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<v Speaker 1>What's it like when you watch one of those segments back.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just having fun out there. There's so much build up,

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<v Speaker 3>so much preparation that goes into every single week, and

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<v Speaker 3>you know there's I just put a ton of focus

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<v Speaker 3>and a ton of energy into that so when game

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<v Speaker 3>day comes around, I can just go have fun like

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<v Speaker 3>I was. When I watch it back, I'm like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just having fun out there and enjoying my time.

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<v Speaker 1>You kind a touchdown passing that game. We heard you

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<v Speaker 1>excitedly say you wanted the ball because it was your

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<v Speaker 1>first Joe Burrow touchdown ball. Did you get it?

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<v Speaker 3>I do, I did my coach. I actually gave it

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<v Speaker 3>to my coach and then he gave it back to

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<v Speaker 3>me and said, give this to your son. So that's

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<v Speaker 3>my plan with the ball. It's sitting in my apartment

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<v Speaker 3>right now.

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<v Speaker 1>What game balls or memorabilia have you saved over the years.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, obviously that that reception and then my first touchdown

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<v Speaker 3>from last year against the Colts. I've got framed with

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<v Speaker 3>the jersey and the gloves, I think, but yeah, I

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<v Speaker 3>have that and something that can hold on to forever.

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<v Speaker 1>We're chatting to Chase Brown. You face the Cleveland Browns

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<v Speaker 1>this week. I heard a couple of your teammates say

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<v Speaker 1>earlier in the week that they think it's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be the most physical game of the year. Is that

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<v Speaker 1>the team's mindset?

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<v Speaker 3>I agree? I mean it's a divisional game. Every divisional

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<v Speaker 3>game is more physical than any other game. A side

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<v Speaker 3>of that, they have a all the defense all round.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean there's they don't really have a weakness. They

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<v Speaker 3>have a crazy athlete at number six and then obviously

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<v Speaker 3>Miles Garrett. So I mean taking care of those two

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<v Speaker 3>guys and making taking advantage of our shots and just

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<v Speaker 3>winning a man coverage. That's going to be the main

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<v Speaker 3>thing going this week, and we just gotta go with

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<v Speaker 3>there nexecute.

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<v Speaker 1>They'll also have Nick Chubb back, one of the best

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<v Speaker 1>to do it at your position. What do you admire

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<v Speaker 1>and respect about Nick Chubb?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean just his his mindset. He came back

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<v Speaker 3>from one hell of an injury, right, so just I know,

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<v Speaker 3>his whole approach, in his whole mindset going into you know,

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<v Speaker 3>everything between getting that injury and then coming back from

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<v Speaker 3>an injury. I know there's a lot of work that

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<v Speaker 3>goes into that, just talking with my brother and learning

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<v Speaker 3>from him and seeing what he went through, so I

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<v Speaker 3>know that he's probably hungry to be back and get

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<v Speaker 3>on the field.

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<v Speaker 1>Speaking of your brother, the Bengals host the Eagles next week.

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<v Speaker 1>How exciting is that for the two of you.

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<v Speaker 2>It'll be cool.

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<v Speaker 3>Never really got to compete against them throughout my football career,

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<v Speaker 3>but this will be the first time I see him

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<v Speaker 3>in a different jersey, so it'll be crazy. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>we're just doing our jobs in the day, but the

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<v Speaker 3>fact that I get to compete against my brother at

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<v Speaker 3>the highest level is just gonna make it that much cooler.

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<v Speaker 1>And hopefully you will go in with a two game

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<v Speaker 1>winning streak after beating the Browns on Sunday. Best of luck,

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Chase's twin brother, Sidney, is a safety who was drafted

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<v Speaker 1>in the third round by Philly last year. He tore

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<v Speaker 1>his ACL in the regular season finale in January, but

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<v Speaker 1>it sounds like Sydney could be back in action this Sunday.

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<v Speaker 1>As you probably know, the Bengals have not fared well

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<v Speaker 1>against the Cleveland Browns, in recent years. Sure, they beat

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<v Speaker 1>him in the regular season finale last year, but the

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<v Speaker 1>Browns rested their starters in that game to get ready

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<v Speaker 1>for the playoffs. Over the last Cleveland is nine and

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<v Speaker 1>three in the Battle of Ohio, and the Browns have

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<v Speaker 1>won six straight at home. Furthermore, Joe Burrow is one

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<v Speaker 1>in five against Cleveland and only managed to put up

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<v Speaker 1>three points against the Browns defense last year. They have

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<v Speaker 1>been Joe's kryptonite. For more on Sunday's matchup, I spoke

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<v Speaker 1>to a member of this week's TV crew. It's the

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<v Speaker 1>Bengals in Browns on Sunday, and our friend Addie Kinkobwallo

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<v Speaker 1>will be on the sideline for CBS Aditi. The Bengals

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<v Speaker 1>started zero three, but they've won two out of their

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<v Speaker 1>last three. They've got that overtime loss to Baltimore in between.

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<v Speaker 1>Does it look to you like the Bengals are hitting

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<v Speaker 1>their stride.

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<v Speaker 5>It certainly feels that way.

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<v Speaker 6>I'll say that, Dan, you know this last outing, the

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<v Speaker 6>defense in particular tackled well. I know that that's something

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<v Speaker 6>that's leagued the Bengals. But let's be honest, we've seen

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<v Speaker 6>bad tackling in the first month of the season ever

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<v Speaker 6>since they changed the way the preseason works. You and

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<v Speaker 6>I go back to when we had two days in

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<v Speaker 6>training camp when the pads were on. Now we never

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<v Speaker 6>see that. Guys don't play in the preseason, so most

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<v Speaker 6>every team suffers from bad tackling. Now. I don't know

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<v Speaker 6>if this is Mike Hilton calling that players only meeting

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<v Speaker 6>last week. I don't know if it's him kind of

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<v Speaker 6>lighting the fire under guys, but certainly knowing that the

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<v Speaker 6>tackling is better and knowing that the defense was a

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<v Speaker 6>little bit more on its p's and q's makes you

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<v Speaker 6>feel a bit more confident with that side of the

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<v Speaker 6>ball and the offense stend. Do you ever count out

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<v Speaker 6>an offense that has Joe Barrow at the helm?

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<v Speaker 1>I certainly don't. He does say that the ball still

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<v Speaker 1>isn't spinning quite the way that he likes, but he

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<v Speaker 1>leads the NFL in passer rating. He showed off his

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<v Speaker 1>speed last week with that forty seven yard touchdown run.

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<v Speaker 1>What stands out to you about his performance through six games?

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<v Speaker 6>That's exactly it, right that he told the Sunday Night

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<v Speaker 6>Football Crew last week that he thinks it might still

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<v Speaker 6>be a full year before that risk is one hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 6>We certainly see footage of him flexing his wrist that risk.

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<v Speaker 6>And despite that, he is still able to ben the

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<v Speaker 6>ball as well as he does, even if it's not

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<v Speaker 6>up to his standards. And and the offense has helped,

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<v Speaker 6>let's be honest, by a better defense too.

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<v Speaker 1>So that defense got most of its defensive lineman back

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<v Speaker 1>over the past couple of weeks. That group is finally healthy.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think of the potential of the Bengals

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<v Speaker 1>defense with lou Anarumo calling shots.

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<v Speaker 6>I think the health makes so much of a difference.

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<v Speaker 6>And you're right, it all starts up front. And so

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<v Speaker 6>when that whole line is healthy, when that line can

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<v Speaker 6>help stop the run, that enables that back end to

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<v Speaker 6>make more plays. And so again, I just it's so

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<v Speaker 6>hard to assess, and it's especially been this season. You

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<v Speaker 6>and I were talking about this before this first month

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<v Speaker 6>of the season. For six weeks of this season has

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<v Speaker 6>been so odd. The teams that have been underachieving, the

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<v Speaker 6>teams that have seemingly been middling, the teams that have

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<v Speaker 6>had sort of slow starts. And I think a piece

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<v Speaker 6>of that for the Bengals is nobody's running away with

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<v Speaker 6>anything right now. You look at the AFC North and yes,

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<v Speaker 6>the Steelers are four and two, but they're making a

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<v Speaker 6>change at quarterbacks, so who knows how that's going to

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<v Speaker 6>work out. And obviously I still feel that the Ravens

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<v Speaker 6>are currently the class of the division. But they start

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<v Speaker 6>the season so well either so are they a couple

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<v Speaker 6>bad plays from being caught? Really, you're talking about maybe

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<v Speaker 6>five plays, and the Bengals record is what five and one?

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<v Speaker 5>So it's just there's a reason.

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<v Speaker 6>That coaches use that cliche that there's such a fine

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<v Speaker 6>line between winning and losing, and there's still a lot

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<v Speaker 6>of football left, a lot of football left.

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<v Speaker 1>And then there are the Cleveland Browns. You're part of

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<v Speaker 1>their preseason broadcast team. You know this team extremely well.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you stunned that Cleveland is one in five?

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<v Speaker 5>Yes? I am, Frankly I am.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, I just said this to you that nobody

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<v Speaker 6>plays in the preseason, And I'll tell you a funny story.

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<v Speaker 6>So in the preseason, the way that the Browns allow

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<v Speaker 6>us to do their broadcasts, we interview a lot of

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<v Speaker 6>players during the broadcast, and each week we talked to

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<v Speaker 6>one of the coordinators and Jim Schwartz is their defensive coordinator.

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<v Speaker 6>You know that this defense was a top two defense

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<v Speaker 6>all year last year. And one of our interviews or

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<v Speaker 6>you know, we were going in the halftime and I

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<v Speaker 6>said to coach Schortz, how do you build off of

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<v Speaker 6>what you did last year? Or something along the lines,

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<v Speaker 6>what's the next step off of what you established last year?

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<v Speaker 6>And I'll tell you, Dan, you need to find the clip,

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<v Speaker 6>because he basically bit off my head and said, forget

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<v Speaker 6>about last year.

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<v Speaker 5>Who knows what we are this year? Nobody's played in

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<v Speaker 5>the preseason. I have no idea what we are.

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<v Speaker 6>And I'm paraphrasing here, but it was essentially calling me

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<v Speaker 6>silly for assuming that this team would pick up where

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<v Speaker 6>it was last year.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, he was right.

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<v Speaker 6>I was wrong, clearly you So, Miles Garrett is still

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<v Speaker 6>Miles Garrett.

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<v Speaker 5>He is not one hundred percent healthy. But it's funny.

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<v Speaker 6>I was talking to a player on the Eagles who

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<v Speaker 6>just faced them last week, asking, hey, just give me

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<v Speaker 6>some background.

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<v Speaker 5>What did you see?

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<v Speaker 6>And his first line was ninety five is still ninety five?

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<v Speaker 6>And when I said, but can you tell that he's

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<v Speaker 6>not one hundred percent? And he said, who cares that

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<v Speaker 6>he's not one hundred percent. He's still jumped over a

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<v Speaker 6>guy and blocked a kick, so he's still making plays.

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<v Speaker 6>Jay Okay, Jeremiah Usukuromoa is playing fantastic. He had a

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<v Speaker 6>monster year last year. He is a sideline to sideline,

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<v Speaker 6>unbelievably fast linebacker. He's playing really well.

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<v Speaker 5>That back end that in.

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<v Speaker 6>Theory, should be such a strength, has just been plagued

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<v Speaker 6>by injuries. And so you think about Jamar Chase t Higgins,

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<v Speaker 6>is Joe Burrow picking apart a secondary that likes to

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<v Speaker 6>play man. There are opportunities right there, you know, but

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<v Speaker 6>it's a shame. I wish that Denzel word was fully healthy.

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<v Speaker 6>I hope he's on his way to getting healthy. Mj Emerson.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, these are players that are fun to watch

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<v Speaker 6>when they're in peak form. So of course that's the

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<v Speaker 6>defense right there, and still it's still a good defense.

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<v Speaker 6>The offense is just I mean, what do you say,

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<v Speaker 6>what do you say? I mean, the can't score twenty points.

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<v Speaker 6>They haven't scored twenty points all year. And what's dumbfounding

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<v Speaker 6>to me is that Kevin Stefanski had an offensive staff

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<v Speaker 6>in place from when he was hired, and his first

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<v Speaker 6>season as head coach, he was Coach of the Year.

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<v Speaker 6>That was the COVID year, and that offensive staff with

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<v Speaker 6>Baker Mayfield as their quarterback or its quarterback, led the

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<v Speaker 6>Browns to the playoffs in won a road playoff game

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<v Speaker 6>when Kevin Stefanski was in his basement with COVID. That

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<v Speaker 6>was that offensive staff. Then that same offensive staff last year,

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<v Speaker 6>behind five different starting quarterbacks, earned a playoff berth and

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<v Speaker 6>the Browns decided to completely rip up that offensive staff

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<v Speaker 6>and completely remake their offense. They say it's an augmented

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<v Speaker 6>passing game, but it's obviously a very very different passing game.

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<v Speaker 6>And here you are six weeks in and nothing looks smooth,

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<v Speaker 6>nothing looks efficient, nothing looks like it's looked the last

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<v Speaker 6>few years. Deshaun Watson is clearly still not the player

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<v Speaker 6>that he was at some point in Houston when people

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<v Speaker 6>thought he was one of the bright young stars at

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<v Speaker 6>the quarterback position. I will say this, Nick Chubb, who

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<v Speaker 6>is everybody's favorite player, who is arguably one of the

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<v Speaker 6>best running backs in the National Football League, in my opinion,

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<v Speaker 6>the best running back in the National Football League when healthy.

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<v Speaker 6>He's coming back and Dan, the city of Cleveland loves Snickchubb, loves, loves,

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<v Speaker 6>loves loves Nick Chubb. When he runs out of the

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<v Speaker 6>tunnel on Sunday, that building will come down with all

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<v Speaker 6>that noise. And so, first of all, I never count

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<v Speaker 6>out Nick Chubb. His first game back after destroying his

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<v Speaker 6>knee at Georgia, he went for two hundred and twenty

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<v Speaker 6>two yards. So maybe Kevin Stefanski will tell us he's

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<v Speaker 6>on a pitch count, but I don't know that that

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<v Speaker 6>ever works with Nick chub But even beyond that, I

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<v Speaker 6>think the Browns are expecting, hoping for an emotional boost

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<v Speaker 6>and emotional lift from the guy that really, actually, truly

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<v Speaker 6>is the face of their franchise and embodies everything that

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<v Speaker 6>they want to be. I can't tell you how many

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<v Speaker 6>people I've been around who've said, if I had a

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<v Speaker 6>roster full of Nick Chubbs, I'd never lose.

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<v Speaker 1>I really don't root for the star players on the

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<v Speaker 1>other teams and the AFC North, but I've got so

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<v Speaker 1>much respect for Nick Chubb. After this week, I will

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<v Speaker 1>be rooting for Nick Chubb going forward. Logan Wilson said

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<v Speaker 1>this week it's the first time in his life that

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<v Speaker 1>the team that he was about to play traded one

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<v Speaker 1>of its best players that week. The Brown's obviously trading

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<v Speaker 1>Amari Cooper. Why do you think they did that.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't think that this is the fire sale that

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<v Speaker 6>some people think from the outside. I don't think this

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<v Speaker 6>is the Browns giving up on the season. This is

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<v Speaker 6>just Amari Cooper was under this last year. This was

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<v Speaker 6>the last year of his deal. He wasn't going to

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<v Speaker 6>be re signed next year, and Brown general manager Andrew

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<v Speaker 6>Berry was able to get more picks from the Bills.

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<v Speaker 5>Then he gave up.

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<v Speaker 6>To get Amari Cooper a couple of years ago from Dallas.

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<v Speaker 6>And so I think when you can make a play

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<v Speaker 6>like that, and remember the Browns haven't had a lot

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<v Speaker 6>of picks because of everything they've given up for j

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<v Speaker 6>Deshaun Watson, it seems to make some sense.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't think there was another player in the NFL

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<v Speaker 5>who had.

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<v Speaker 6>More uncatchable targets than Amari Cooper did.

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<v Speaker 5>So it's a deep, wide receiver room.

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<v Speaker 6>You haven't seen everything that the Browns want to see

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<v Speaker 6>by any means out of Jerry Judy or Elijah or

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<v Speaker 6>Cedric Tillman, who's a very young talented guy. It's an

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<v Speaker 6>opportunity for some other people to step up. And they're

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<v Speaker 6>tight ends too. Don't forget about the tight ends. You

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<v Speaker 6>know those are at least in Kevin Stefanski's previous offense.

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<v Speaker 6>Those tight ends are very, very key.

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<v Speaker 1>Final thing for add Kin Kabwala. If the Bengals are

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<v Speaker 1>able to win this week and get to three and four,

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<v Speaker 1>they've got back to back home games coming up after that,

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<v Speaker 1>were that to happen, do you feel like they're right

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<v Speaker 1>back in the thick of things.

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<v Speaker 6>Win this week and of course you're right back in

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<v Speaker 6>the thick of things. You know, every coach loves to

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<v Speaker 6>say this. The goal is just to go Wan to know.

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<v Speaker 6>The goal is to go Wan to know. You keep

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<v Speaker 6>stacking those one and oh's, and you're in good shape.

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<v Speaker 5>And as we keep.

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<v Speaker 6>Saying, no one is running away with the AFC North

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<v Speaker 6>right now, no one is necessarily looking.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, the Chiefs, the Bills, you know, you have the class.

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<v Speaker 6>Of the AFC in some ways, but it's also just

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<v Speaker 6>about getting in the dance and nothing is insurmountable right now.

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<v Speaker 6>The Bengals just need to continue because we saw it

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<v Speaker 6>this past week, and continue to play better defense, and

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<v Speaker 6>I think you'll see some good things. You know the

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<v Speaker 6>talents there, and you know the coaching is there.

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<v Speaker 1>Look forward to seeing you on the sideline this Sunday

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<v Speaker 1>and really appreciate your time. Keep up the great work, Adidi, Thank.

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<v Speaker 5>You and thanks so much for having me. It's always

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<v Speaker 5>a pleasure.

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<v Speaker 1>is the official healthcare provider of the Bengals. As add

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<v Speaker 1>pointed out, the Browns offense has been abysmal this year.

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<v Speaker 1>Not only haven't the Browns scored more than eighteen points

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<v Speaker 1>in a game, but DeShawn Watson, who has still owed

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<v Speaker 1>ninety two million bucks over the next two years, hasn't

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<v Speaker 1>passed for two hundred yards in a single game this year,

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<v Speaker 1>and at one point, the Browns offense failed to convert

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<v Speaker 1>on twenty six consecutive third downs. Now, normally that might

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<v Speaker 1>mean a change at quarterback and the Browns have former

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<v Speaker 1>number one overall draft pick Jamis Winston waiting in the wings,

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<v Speaker 1>but head coach Kevin Stefanski says he is sticking with

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<v Speaker 1>Deshaun Watson.

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<v Speaker 7>I think Deshaun gives us the best chance to win,

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<v Speaker 7>continues to give us the best chance to win, and

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<v Speaker 7>we need to play really good offensive football at his

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<v Speaker 7>position and really at every position to be successful.

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<v Speaker 8>On Sunday, Kevin, I know that we asked you this

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<v Speaker 8>last week, but it seems to be that the prevailing

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<v Speaker 8>narrative still seems to be that everyone thinks that Jimmy

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<v Speaker 8>Haslam is forcing you to play Deshaun Watson. So I

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<v Speaker 8>guess I just want to throw it out there again

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<v Speaker 8>and ask how is this decision made and is there

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<v Speaker 8>any truth.

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<v Speaker 5>To that whatsoever.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, as you know, Mary Kay, I don't get caught

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<v Speaker 7>up in narratives, but we have a good dialogue with

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<v Speaker 7>myself Andrew Ownership about all things that have to do

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<v Speaker 7>with this team. They've been nothing but supportive and any

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<v Speaker 7>decision when it comes to football is my decision.

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<v Speaker 1>For more on the Browns, we turned to Zach Jackson,

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<v Speaker 1>who covers the team for the Athletic He joined Lapping

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<v Speaker 1>me this week on the Bengals Game Plan Show.

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<v Speaker 4>What's that locker room like? I mean, what you're dealing

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<v Speaker 4>with all kinds of crap? Really, what is it like

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<v Speaker 4>in here on a day to day basis?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's quiet, Lap. You know what you do if

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<v Speaker 2>you're them, is you find a positive. And you mentioned it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's Chubb coming back, it's coming home after a three

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<v Speaker 2>game road trip, right, it's that Miles Garrett is really good.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the defense is really good. And you know, frankly,

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<v Speaker 2>the defense has not been great, but which one is

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<v Speaker 2>every single Sunday? You know, the defense has been good

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<v Speaker 2>enough for this team to at least be five hundred,

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<v Speaker 2>And it's been so bad that if they didn't just

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<v Speaker 2>scored two touchdowns in some of these games, they'd be

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<v Speaker 2>five hundred. So that's not to say that they're close

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<v Speaker 2>to turn in the corner, because they're not. But we

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<v Speaker 2>know when these teams get together, you know, strange things happen.

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<v Speaker 2>We know that Miles Garrett taking over games is not

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<v Speaker 2>a strange thing. It's a common thing. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like maybe the trade of Amari Cooper is the start

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<v Speaker 2>of a total teardown and an admission that this whole

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<v Speaker 2>thing's a disaster, because right now it's a disaster. Or

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<v Speaker 2>maybe it was just to send a little message that

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<v Speaker 2>it's time to change and the guys here has to

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<v Speaker 2>play better, which they do and we'll see. So I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not ruling the Browns out this week, but I'm here

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<v Speaker 2>to tell you guys, in total honesty, that it's worse

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<v Speaker 2>than it looks from the outside, and there's a chance

0:23:47.400 --> 0:23:49.000
<v Speaker 2>that it's going to be bad for a lot of times.

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<v Speaker 1>Zach, why did they trade Amari Cooper?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, his body language stunk, his performance was up and down,

0:23:57.960 --> 0:23:59.960
<v Speaker 2>and a lot of that was attributed to the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that they can't get him the ball and the pass

0:24:02.600 --> 0:24:06.240
<v Speaker 2>offense just thinks. He had been pouting since the summer

0:24:06.320 --> 0:24:08.840
<v Speaker 2>over a contract issue. You know, some of it was

0:24:08.840 --> 0:24:11.800
<v Speaker 2>brought on themselves. They didn't extend him. They acquired Jerry

0:24:11.840 --> 0:24:14.600
<v Speaker 2>Judy for nothing and immediately extended Jerry Judy, who's never

0:24:14.600 --> 0:24:17.439
<v Speaker 2>done anything in his career. When Amari wanted his money.

0:24:18.040 --> 0:24:20.879
<v Speaker 2>They offered up Amari to the Niners and a trade

0:24:21.200 --> 0:24:25.120
<v Speaker 2>in a pursuit of Brandon Ayukamuri didn't like that, but

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<v Speaker 2>mostly it's because Amari spent five of the six games

0:24:27.800 --> 0:24:30.480
<v Speaker 2>running routes and the ball wasn't coming near him most times.

0:24:30.920 --> 0:24:33.480
<v Speaker 2>And the other day in the fourth quarter, watching through

0:24:33.480 --> 0:24:36.080
<v Speaker 2>the best pass of the season and Amari caught it

0:24:36.119 --> 0:24:37.840
<v Speaker 2>and it set up first and goal at the five

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<v Speaker 2>in the last four minutes of the game, and they

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<v Speaker 2>ended up kicking a field goal from the thirteen, which

0:24:42.320 --> 0:24:43.480
<v Speaker 2>kind of sums up the season.

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<v Speaker 4>So when you have a season like this, normally injury

0:24:49.160 --> 0:24:53.280
<v Speaker 4>is somewhere in the storyline. The offensive line is beaten up,

0:24:53.640 --> 0:24:56.520
<v Speaker 4>the back end defensively is beaten up. I mean, has

0:24:56.560 --> 0:24:58.159
<v Speaker 4>that been a big contributing factor.

0:24:59.240 --> 0:25:03.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the other line been a huge factor lap underperformance.

0:25:03.680 --> 0:25:07.840
<v Speaker 2>That availability, bad luck with the injuries and having to

0:25:07.880 --> 0:25:09.840
<v Speaker 2>mix and match things. You know, they bench the rookies

0:25:10.000 --> 0:25:11.480
<v Speaker 2>enter the other day and then he's in there on

0:25:11.520 --> 0:25:14.320
<v Speaker 2>the third play because the center got hurt and so

0:25:14.440 --> 0:25:16.320
<v Speaker 2>the guy who replaced him had to go to center.

0:25:16.640 --> 0:25:20.400
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, it's just been not good. Now. They did

0:25:20.440 --> 0:25:22.560
<v Speaker 2>start running the ball in the second half the other day.

0:25:22.960 --> 0:25:24.879
<v Speaker 2>I think the offensive line had something to do with that,

0:25:25.480 --> 0:25:29.080
<v Speaker 2>But there's just been sequences where someone misses a block,

0:25:29.680 --> 0:25:32.639
<v Speaker 2>Watson misses a pass, and then maybe he gets off

0:25:32.680 --> 0:25:35.399
<v Speaker 2>a pass and it's dropped, or somebody else misses the

0:25:35.400 --> 0:25:37.560
<v Speaker 2>block and he misses a read. I mean, it's it's

0:25:37.640 --> 0:25:41.600
<v Speaker 2>been a lot of things. He has played awful. He

0:25:41.640 --> 0:25:44.160
<v Speaker 2>has played awful by the standards of a rookie seventh rounder,

0:25:44.240 --> 0:25:47.040
<v Speaker 2>let alone a guy with his contract. But it's not

0:25:47.160 --> 0:25:49.160
<v Speaker 2>all been his fault. And you have a two time

0:25:49.240 --> 0:25:52.240
<v Speaker 2>Coach of the Year whose team can't stop getting penalties

0:25:52.240 --> 0:25:54.280
<v Speaker 2>and can't figure out a way to spark the quarterback,

0:25:54.720 --> 0:25:57.040
<v Speaker 2>if quarterback who drops back and doesn't appear to know

0:25:57.080 --> 0:25:58.840
<v Speaker 2>what he's seeing most of the time. So that's how

0:25:58.840 --> 0:26:01.359
<v Speaker 2>you end up one five and staring at a future

0:26:01.359 --> 0:26:04.680
<v Speaker 2>that looks pretty bleak because every dime of his contract

0:26:04.720 --> 0:26:08.120
<v Speaker 2>is fully guaranteed. So they they this is the most

0:26:08.160 --> 0:26:11.840
<v Speaker 2>expensive roster in NFL history, and even with its works,

0:26:11.840 --> 0:26:15.680
<v Speaker 2>it still has Miles Garrett, Denzel Ward right, some other

0:26:15.720 --> 0:26:18.760
<v Speaker 2>guys who were really good, had Amarty Cooper until yesterday

0:26:18.800 --> 0:26:24.119
<v Speaker 2>at three o'clock. But going forward, I'm not sure they

0:26:24.119 --> 0:26:27.119
<v Speaker 2>can spend their way out of this one, because this

0:26:27.200 --> 0:26:28.639
<v Speaker 2>is this is the worst trade in the history of

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<v Speaker 2>the NFL.

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<v Speaker 4>So does does dun stay at center and Zinra come

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<v Speaker 4>back and play at the guard position. And of the

0:26:36.600 --> 0:26:41.760
<v Speaker 4>thirty one sacks accumulated, which is is it more on

0:26:42.240 --> 0:26:44.760
<v Speaker 4>the quarterback holding the football, is the old line guilty

0:26:44.840 --> 0:26:45.440
<v Speaker 4>or is in mix?

0:26:46.560 --> 0:26:48.359
<v Speaker 2>It's been all of them up. I remember a sequence

0:26:48.400 --> 0:26:50.760
<v Speaker 2>in Washington they threw a screen for a loss of seven.

0:26:51.800 --> 0:26:53.800
<v Speaker 2>They had an unblocked head rusher. On the next play,

0:26:53.880 --> 0:26:56.440
<v Speaker 2>Watson escape throws at it's dropped, and then on third

0:26:56.480 --> 0:26:58.159
<v Speaker 2>down here comes to rush again and he has to

0:26:58.160 --> 0:27:00.560
<v Speaker 2>throw it away before anybody could get open. So it's

0:27:00.600 --> 0:27:04.560
<v Speaker 2>been all that. Yeah, I think post Sick might get back.

0:27:04.600 --> 0:27:06.600
<v Speaker 2>I don't know that he's totally ruled out, but if

0:27:06.600 --> 0:27:08.879
<v Speaker 2>it's not him, it'll be done at center. Dune's been

0:27:08.920 --> 0:27:11.120
<v Speaker 2>around a long time and he's played all five positions

0:27:11.119 --> 0:27:12.879
<v Speaker 2>in practice, but he never had to play center in

0:27:12.880 --> 0:27:15.080
<v Speaker 2>a game until last week. And like I said, Zenner

0:27:15.119 --> 0:27:17.560
<v Speaker 2>made a couple of starts they didn't go well. He's

0:27:17.600 --> 0:27:20.560
<v Speaker 2>back in Jack Conklin's back. That's good for him. He's

0:27:20.600 --> 0:27:23.679
<v Speaker 2>been through major knee injuries, as you know, been a

0:27:23.680 --> 0:27:28.520
<v Speaker 2>really good player when he's been healthy, missed thirteen months. Really,

0:27:28.680 --> 0:27:32.200
<v Speaker 2>if Chubb plays Sunday and he's going to barring something crazy,

0:27:32.600 --> 0:27:34.680
<v Speaker 2>those two guys will have missed the exact amount of

0:27:34.720 --> 0:27:36.800
<v Speaker 2>time because Conkland got hurt in last year's opener and

0:27:36.840 --> 0:27:40.320
<v Speaker 2>Hubb got hurt we too, so you know, for better

0:27:40.400 --> 0:27:43.200
<v Speaker 2>or worse, both have been off of injuries before. Both

0:27:43.240 --> 0:27:45.800
<v Speaker 2>have been really good players. Nick Chubb is a really

0:27:45.840 --> 0:27:49.280
<v Speaker 2>special player, and he's a player that's super popular with

0:27:49.320 --> 0:27:52.159
<v Speaker 2>the fan base and everybody wants him to succeed. We

0:27:52.200 --> 0:27:53.879
<v Speaker 2>don't know what he's going to be, We don't know

0:27:53.920 --> 0:27:56.960
<v Speaker 2>what his snap count is going to be, here can be,

0:27:57.480 --> 0:27:59.440
<v Speaker 2>but that's really the only thing that's going to bring

0:27:59.480 --> 0:28:02.880
<v Speaker 2>the energy that in the defense on Sunday, because if

0:28:02.920 --> 0:28:05.080
<v Speaker 2>the offense doesn't come out and score the first draft

0:28:05.480 --> 0:28:08.600
<v Speaker 2>and they have one touchdown and their last twenty nine possessions,

0:28:08.760 --> 0:28:10.920
<v Speaker 2>let me say that again, one touchdown and their last

0:28:10.960 --> 0:28:13.720
<v Speaker 2>twenty nine possessions, and that stadium is going to turn

0:28:13.720 --> 0:28:14.800
<v Speaker 2>as ugly as it's ever been.

0:28:15.840 --> 0:28:18.119
<v Speaker 1>Zach Jackson is our guest. He covers the Browns for

0:28:18.240 --> 0:28:21.720
<v Speaker 1>The Athletic. You can follow him on x at Akron

0:28:22.480 --> 0:28:25.640
<v Speaker 1>Jackson let me follow up on Nick Chubb. In Week

0:28:25.640 --> 0:28:29.879
<v Speaker 1>two last year, he told tour the ACL MCL PCL

0:28:29.960 --> 0:28:31.720
<v Speaker 1>I think those are all of the cls that you

0:28:31.840 --> 0:28:36.359
<v Speaker 1>have in the knee. From what you've heard, does he

0:28:36.560 --> 0:28:40.120
<v Speaker 1>look like he's running as fast as ever? As you said,

0:28:40.160 --> 0:28:41.680
<v Speaker 1>we don't know how many snaps he's going to get

0:28:41.680 --> 0:28:44.360
<v Speaker 1>on Sunday, But from what coaches and teammates have said,

0:28:44.560 --> 0:28:45.280
<v Speaker 1>how does he look?

0:28:46.320 --> 0:28:49.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he looks like Nick Chubb and there's been no

0:28:49.160 --> 0:28:51.480
<v Speaker 2>brace or anything. You know, he's been doing the work.

0:28:51.520 --> 0:28:53.640
<v Speaker 2>This is a guy that I've always called him the

0:28:53.720 --> 0:28:57.800
<v Speaker 2>ultimate low maintenance superstar, right because he's just not in

0:28:57.800 --> 0:29:02.200
<v Speaker 2>to anything but football, and he has always been an

0:29:02.200 --> 0:29:06.120
<v Speaker 2>incredibly hard worker and an incredibly low key talent by

0:29:06.160 --> 0:29:10.680
<v Speaker 2>his personality and by playing on some bad teams. You know. Frankly,

0:29:10.680 --> 0:29:14.000
<v Speaker 2>I think they preserved his career intentionally with those years.

0:29:14.000 --> 0:29:17.400
<v Speaker 2>The Kareem Hunt was really running with him. You know,

0:29:17.480 --> 0:29:19.400
<v Speaker 2>at first they had to actually trade a guy to

0:29:19.440 --> 0:29:21.240
<v Speaker 2>get him on the field. That's back when Hugh Jackson

0:29:21.360 --> 0:29:24.400
<v Speaker 2>was the coach and things were really bleak. But man,

0:29:24.440 --> 0:29:25.960
<v Speaker 2>they would love to have him, and like I said,

0:29:26.000 --> 0:29:29.520
<v Speaker 2>he it will be an emotional boost because he has

0:29:29.560 --> 0:29:31.520
<v Speaker 2>that kind of respect in the locker room, not earned,

0:29:31.840 --> 0:29:34.920
<v Speaker 2>I mean, not given earned to him. So you know,

0:29:35.000 --> 0:29:37.840
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I think the second time around you

0:29:37.960 --> 0:29:40.480
<v Speaker 2>might see more of Nick Chubb, but I think he'll

0:29:40.480 --> 0:29:42.840
<v Speaker 2>be introduced as a starter on Sunday. I think he'll

0:29:42.880 --> 0:29:45.880
<v Speaker 2>probably be the starter for the emotional boost. But if

0:29:45.880 --> 0:29:48.360
<v Speaker 2>he gets any more than ten or twelve carries, I'll

0:29:48.400 --> 0:29:50.200
<v Speaker 2>be surprised. And I think that's probably a key to

0:29:50.240 --> 0:29:52.400
<v Speaker 2>the game. The Browns have to get the run other

0:29:52.480 --> 0:29:54.360
<v Speaker 2>than the trambles. They have to do it. They have

0:29:54.400 --> 0:29:56.040
<v Speaker 2>to help their defense that way. They have to help

0:29:56.080 --> 0:29:58.320
<v Speaker 2>the offensive line settle in, and they have to help

0:29:58.360 --> 0:30:00.840
<v Speaker 2>their quarterback by doing it. I think when they finally

0:30:00.920 --> 0:30:03.719
<v Speaker 2>moved the ball over the last twenty or so minutes

0:30:03.840 --> 0:30:07.120
<v Speaker 2>last week in Philly, it was because the run set

0:30:07.200 --> 0:30:08.800
<v Speaker 2>up some other things and finally set up the one

0:30:08.840 --> 0:30:11.120
<v Speaker 2>big pass. They only have two passes over thirty yards

0:30:11.160 --> 0:30:11.760
<v Speaker 2>all year long.

0:30:13.360 --> 0:30:16.360
<v Speaker 4>Wow, So Miles Garrett, are they moving them around as

0:30:16.440 --> 0:30:19.120
<v Speaker 4>much as they have in the pastors? He pretty much

0:30:19.160 --> 0:30:21.200
<v Speaker 4>settled in in one spot.

0:30:21.880 --> 0:30:23.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean he starts in that spot. Lap they

0:30:23.720 --> 0:30:26.000
<v Speaker 2>do move him around, But the major problem is this

0:30:26.080 --> 0:30:28.760
<v Speaker 2>is an attack defense even without Miles Garrett, and they

0:30:28.760 --> 0:30:30.880
<v Speaker 2>haven't had the lead to really let it loose. So

0:30:30.920 --> 0:30:33.040
<v Speaker 2>he's been awesome. He blocked the field goal last week.

0:30:34.000 --> 0:30:37.880
<v Speaker 2>He's had the multi sat games. You know, even when

0:30:38.040 --> 0:30:41.040
<v Speaker 2>the other guy, Alex Right gets the winning safety in Jacksonville,

0:30:41.040 --> 0:30:44.440
<v Speaker 2>it's Miles Rush, it's interrever Lawrence's head. You've seen him

0:30:44.440 --> 0:30:45.800
<v Speaker 2>do it. You've seen him do it to Joe, You've

0:30:45.800 --> 0:30:47.840
<v Speaker 2>seen him do it to other guys. This is the

0:30:47.880 --> 0:30:51.400
<v Speaker 2>best version of Miles last year carried into this year.

0:30:51.680 --> 0:30:55.479
<v Speaker 2>So you know what's going to happen. How will they

0:30:55.480 --> 0:30:57.120
<v Speaker 2>move him around if they get a chance to play

0:30:57.160 --> 0:30:59.040
<v Speaker 2>with a lead, if they get in the game, or

0:30:59.080 --> 0:31:01.800
<v Speaker 2>the defense needs that one stop to preserve it. They

0:31:01.800 --> 0:31:03.600
<v Speaker 2>just haven't been in that situation. You know, they've been

0:31:03.640 --> 0:31:06.360
<v Speaker 2>they've been losing these games and they've been coming down

0:31:06.400 --> 0:31:08.360
<v Speaker 2>to the end and they haven't done that. But he

0:31:08.440 --> 0:31:11.320
<v Speaker 2>looks great and he's you know, he's going to haunt

0:31:11.440 --> 0:31:14.640
<v Speaker 2>Joe's thoughts and Dan Pitcher's thoughts all week, and he

0:31:14.680 --> 0:31:16.440
<v Speaker 2>does that to all those guys. He really does.

0:31:17.880 --> 0:31:20.560
<v Speaker 1>My final question Zach asked to do with Deshaun Watson.

0:31:20.720 --> 0:31:23.320
<v Speaker 1>We heard the comment earlier on this show from Kevin

0:31:23.320 --> 0:31:26.200
<v Speaker 1>Stefanski where he said Deshaun gives us the best chance

0:31:26.240 --> 0:31:28.960
<v Speaker 1>to win. He's just audio, so we couldn't see if

0:31:28.960 --> 0:31:32.280
<v Speaker 1>there was a Pinocchio factor there with a nose growing.

0:31:32.360 --> 0:31:36.440
<v Speaker 1>But what do you think happened to Deshaun Watson? What's

0:31:36.440 --> 0:31:38.320
<v Speaker 1>your theory? Why has he gone from being one of

0:31:38.320 --> 0:31:42.160
<v Speaker 1>the best quarterbacks in the league to arguably the worst.

0:31:42.880 --> 0:31:44.600
<v Speaker 2>Well, I think it's a lot of things. I think

0:31:44.760 --> 0:31:48.160
<v Speaker 2>the time away, I'm not sure where his mind is

0:31:48.160 --> 0:31:49.719
<v Speaker 2>in relation to football, and I'm not going to put

0:31:49.720 --> 0:31:51.680
<v Speaker 2>any words in his mouth. We didn't know him before this,

0:31:51.960 --> 0:31:54.360
<v Speaker 2>you know, he was never here. He played in Cleveland

0:31:54.360 --> 0:31:56.040
<v Speaker 2>one time and initially didn't want to come in. The

0:31:56.080 --> 0:31:57.880
<v Speaker 2>weather was a part of it because he played in

0:31:58.000 --> 0:32:00.200
<v Speaker 2>like an early November, late October game and it was

0:32:00.400 --> 0:32:02.959
<v Speaker 2>twenty degree like it is in January here, you know.

0:32:03.680 --> 0:32:06.480
<v Speaker 2>But he is not a stylistic fit with Kevin Stefanski.

0:32:07.240 --> 0:32:10.280
<v Speaker 2>He has not played enough to be confident here. But

0:32:10.400 --> 0:32:12.640
<v Speaker 2>to me, he's just he has zero pocket presence. He

0:32:12.680 --> 0:32:16.040
<v Speaker 2>doesn't process, and I just don't see a confident player.

0:32:16.560 --> 0:32:19.840
<v Speaker 2>I just don't. I occasionally see good throws, I occasionally

0:32:19.920 --> 0:32:21.560
<v Speaker 2>see the talent that we've seen. I mean, this is

0:32:21.680 --> 0:32:23.320
<v Speaker 2>we watched him as a true freshman. It comes to

0:32:23.400 --> 0:32:26.480
<v Speaker 2>the nation, did right, But I see a guy who's

0:32:26.520 --> 0:32:31.120
<v Speaker 2>a shell of that, and these numbers are appallingly bad.

0:32:31.160 --> 0:32:33.360
<v Speaker 2>Some of them are historically bad. I'm sure you haven't

0:32:33.400 --> 0:32:35.040
<v Speaker 2>in front of you somewhere there. We're will in the

0:32:35.040 --> 0:32:38.040
<v Speaker 2>booth on Sunday, and it matches the eye test, it

0:32:38.160 --> 0:32:41.480
<v Speaker 2>really does, and we're really we've seen it. Like I said,

0:32:41.480 --> 0:32:45.400
<v Speaker 2>I've seen stretches, I've seen throws, but training camp, practice

0:32:45.880 --> 0:32:48.400
<v Speaker 2>and now to games like this has been three years.

0:32:48.440 --> 0:32:52.600
<v Speaker 2>He's just not good anymore. And those numbers often don't

0:32:52.600 --> 0:32:55.160
<v Speaker 2>tell the story, but in this case, right now, mid

0:32:55.200 --> 0:32:59.800
<v Speaker 2>October twenty four, they do, And every dime is guaranteed

0:33:00.040 --> 0:33:03.560
<v Speaker 2>for one hundred and seventy dollars seventy million dollars in

0:33:03.640 --> 0:33:06.680
<v Speaker 2>cap commitments to this guy who's giving you no chance

0:33:06.720 --> 0:33:08.320
<v Speaker 2>to win, and the head coach is saying with a

0:33:08.360 --> 0:33:10.680
<v Speaker 2>straight face, he gives us our best chance to win,

0:33:11.600 --> 0:33:12.400
<v Speaker 2>all right, thanks.

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