1 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:06,559 Speaker 1: Hi, gain everybody. I'm Dan Hord and thanks for downloading 2 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: The Bengals Booth Podcast. The Keep On Running addition, as 3 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: the Bengals look for their second straight win as they 4 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 1: faced the Browns in Cleveland. Coming up, Chase Brown discusses 5 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: his touchdown run that clinched last week's win and the 6 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: fumble that preceded it. CBS sideline reporter Adde Kinkobwalla shares 7 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: her thoughts on the Bengals as she gets ready to 8 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: cover this week's game, and in our No The Faux segment, 9 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 1: we'll get an in depth look at the Browns from 10 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 1: Zach Jackson, who covers the team for The Athletic. 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It's the greatest thing 20 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 1: since The Wonder of Stevie podcast. I love Stevie Wonder, 21 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:19,680 Speaker 1: and if we play the you can only have five 22 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:23,040 Speaker 1: albums on a Desert Island game, one of my selections 23 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 1: is definitely going to be Stevie's nineteen seventy six masterpiece 24 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 1: Songs in the Key of Life. It's also cheating a 25 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:34,040 Speaker 1: bit because it's a double album. In any case, I'm 26 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 1: currently listening to a podcast series called The Wonder of 27 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 1: Stevie that focuses on a five year stretch when Stevie 28 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: Wonder put out five of his greatest albums. Featured guests 29 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: include Barack and Michelle Obama, Smokey Robinson, Dion Warwick, and 30 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 1: many others. It's very well done. And the title of 31 00:01:55,080 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 1: this podcast, Keep on Running, is a Stevie Wonder song. 32 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: He sings it slightly better than I do. Now let's 33 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 1: get to my first guest. The Cleveland Browns get running 34 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 1: back Nick Chubb back this week from the gruesome knee 35 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 1: injury he suffered in Week two last year. For his career, 36 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: Chub averages five point twenty six yards per carry. That's 37 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:26,360 Speaker 1: second best in NFL history, behind Jamal Charles at five 38 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 1: point three eight. Well, so far this year, Chase Brown 39 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: has been even better than them. He's averaging five and 40 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: a half yards per carry. Get I caught up with 41 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:39,079 Speaker 1: a twenty four year old this week. 42 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 2: Chase. 43 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 1: I interviewed you right after the game on Sunday night. 44 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 1: You had just scored the clinching thirty yard touchdown run 45 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:50,360 Speaker 1: and you were not happy because you had fumbled on 46 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 1: the previous plane it ruled out of bounds. It's been 47 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: a few days. Have you let it go? 48 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 2: Let it go? 49 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 3: My mind's on Cleveland. Just got to be better in 50 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 3: those situations. Got to protect the ball regardless of you know, 51 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 3: how we finished. 52 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:07,919 Speaker 1: Was it meaningful to you that they went to you 53 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 1: on the very next play? It was. 54 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 3: It's something that I thought about after the game, just, 55 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:15,920 Speaker 3: you know, coach having that trust in me to you know, 56 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 3: learn from my mistakes quickly and you know, flush that 57 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:20,679 Speaker 3: out and just focus on the next play. 58 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:21,799 Speaker 4: So it meant a lot. 59 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: There's the Lambeau Leap, There's the jungle jump. I don't 60 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: know what they call it at MetLife Stadium, but you 61 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 1: jumped into the stands after that touchdown. Did you seek 62 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: out Bengals fans? Did you know that there was a possibility? 63 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: How did that go? 64 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 3: I just well, I didn't know what I was gonna 65 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 3: do when I first got in, but when I saw 66 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 3: the first Bengals fan in the corner, I'm like, screw it, 67 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 3: I'm going out. So I jumped up there, had a 68 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 3: little bit of fun, and got right back down. But yeah, 69 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 3: it was It was definitely a moment. Maybe we can 70 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 3: tell it the Giant jump or something like that. 71 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 1: Coach Taylor said on Monday that in retrospect, he would 72 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: have asked the team to go down before scoring in 73 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: order to run out the clock. Is that hard to 74 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 1: do as a running back. I'm sure you would have 75 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: done it, but you spend every waking moment trying to 76 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 1: get into the end zone. 77 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 3: Definitely just got another situation. We'll call that mud situation. 78 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 3: So I mean, get the first down and get down. 79 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 3: So in the future, definitely learn from that moment so 80 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 3: we don't have to send the defense back out there. 81 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:28,039 Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean to finish the game on an 82 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 3: explosive play. I'm not going to complain about that, but 83 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 3: definitely could approach that situation. Smarter. 84 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: We're visiting with Chase Brown. Through six games, your sixth 85 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 1: in the NFL and yards per carry five point five 86 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 1: yards per carry, nearly twenty percent of your runs have 87 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 1: gone for ten or more yards. What do you think 88 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 1: you've done well? What do you think you need to 89 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: do better? 90 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's a huge shout out to the line. 91 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 3: I mean they're crushing it up front, opening up these 92 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 3: run lanes and I'm just taking advantage of what I'm seeing. 93 00:04:56,880 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 3: So we just got to keep that rolling. Something that 94 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:03,600 Speaker 3: I could do better. We can just be more efficient, 95 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 3: eliminate the negative runs and turn those into more efficient 96 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 3: and positive games. So that's that's my thought process at 97 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:13,159 Speaker 3: this point. 98 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: In season from the broadcast booth. Every time you get 99 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 1: the ball, it feels like there's a chance you might 100 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: go the distance. Is that how it feels on. 101 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 3: The field, Definitely. I mean with with with the way 102 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 3: that the tight ends and the on line seats are blocking, 103 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:33,239 Speaker 3: I mean, anything's possible on any run play. So for myself, 104 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm trying to put that put that ball 105 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 3: in the paint every single time if I can. But 106 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 3: I think the best is yet to come. Playing it 107 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 3: more explosives in big place. 108 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: You were miked up for sound in the Baltimore game. 109 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:49,799 Speaker 1: What's it like when you watch one of those segments back. 110 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 3: I'm just having fun out there. There's so much build up, 111 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 3: so much preparation that goes into every single week, and 112 00:05:57,760 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 3: you know there's I just put a ton of focus 113 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 3: and a ton of energy into that so when game 114 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:04,159 Speaker 3: day comes around, I can just go have fun like 115 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 3: I was. When I watch it back, I'm like, yeah, 116 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 3: I'm just having fun out there and enjoying my time. 117 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: You kind a touchdown passing that game. We heard you 118 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 1: excitedly say you wanted the ball because it was your 119 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: first Joe Burrow touchdown ball. Did you get it? 120 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 3: I do, I did my coach. I actually gave it 121 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 3: to my coach and then he gave it back to 122 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 3: me and said, give this to your son. So that's 123 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 3: my plan with the ball. It's sitting in my apartment 124 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 3: right now. 125 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: What game balls or memorabilia have you saved over the years. 126 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:33,600 Speaker 3: Well, obviously that that reception and then my first touchdown 127 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 3: from last year against the Colts. I've got framed with 128 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 3: the jersey and the gloves, I think, but yeah, I 129 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 3: have that and something that can hold on to forever. 130 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: We're chatting to Chase Brown. You face the Cleveland Browns 131 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 1: this week. I heard a couple of your teammates say 132 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 1: earlier in the week that they think it's going to 133 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 1: be the most physical game of the year. Is that 134 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 1: the team's mindset? 135 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 3: I agree? I mean it's a divisional game. Every divisional 136 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 3: game is more physical than any other game. A side 137 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 3: of that, they have a all the defense all round. 138 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 3: I mean there's they don't really have a weakness. They 139 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 3: have a crazy athlete at number six and then obviously 140 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 3: Miles Garrett. So I mean taking care of those two 141 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 3: guys and making taking advantage of our shots and just 142 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 3: winning a man coverage. That's going to be the main 143 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 3: thing going this week, and we just gotta go with 144 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 3: there nexecute. 145 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 1: They'll also have Nick Chubb back, one of the best 146 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: to do it at your position. What do you admire 147 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: and respect about Nick Chubb? 148 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean just his his mindset. He came back 149 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 3: from one hell of an injury, right, so just I know, 150 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 3: his whole approach, in his whole mindset going into you know, 151 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 3: everything between getting that injury and then coming back from 152 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 3: an injury. I know there's a lot of work that 153 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 3: goes into that, just talking with my brother and learning 154 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 3: from him and seeing what he went through, so I 155 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 3: know that he's probably hungry to be back and get 156 00:07:59,000 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 3: on the field. 157 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: Speaking of your brother, the Bengals host the Eagles next week. 158 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 1: How exciting is that for the two of you. 159 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 2: It'll be cool. 160 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 3: Never really got to compete against them throughout my football career, 161 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 3: but this will be the first time I see him 162 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 3: in a different jersey, so it'll be crazy. I mean, 163 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 3: we're just doing our jobs in the day, but the 164 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 3: fact that I get to compete against my brother at 165 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 3: the highest level is just gonna make it that much cooler. 166 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: And hopefully you will go in with a two game 167 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 1: winning streak after beating the Browns on Sunday. Best of luck, 168 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: Thank you for the time. 169 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 2: Thank you. 170 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:34,079 Speaker 1: Chase's twin brother, Sidney, is a safety who was drafted 171 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 1: in the third round by Philly last year. He tore 172 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: his ACL in the regular season finale in January, but 173 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 1: it sounds like Sydney could be back in action this Sunday. 174 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 1: As you probably know, the Bengals have not fared well 175 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 1: against the Cleveland Browns, in recent years. Sure, they beat 176 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 1: him in the regular season finale last year, but the 177 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: Browns rested their starters in that game to get ready 178 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: for the playoffs. Over the last Cleveland is nine and 179 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: three in the Battle of Ohio, and the Browns have 180 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: won six straight at home. Furthermore, Joe Burrow is one 181 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: in five against Cleveland and only managed to put up 182 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 1: three points against the Browns defense last year. They have 183 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 1: been Joe's kryptonite. For more on Sunday's matchup, I spoke 184 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 1: to a member of this week's TV crew. It's the 185 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: Bengals in Browns on Sunday, and our friend Addie Kinkobwallo 186 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 1: will be on the sideline for CBS Aditi. The Bengals 187 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 1: started zero three, but they've won two out of their 188 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: last three. They've got that overtime loss to Baltimore in between. 189 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 1: Does it look to you like the Bengals are hitting 190 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 1: their stride. 191 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 5: It certainly feels that way. 192 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 6: I'll say that, Dan, you know this last outing, the 193 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 6: defense in particular tackled well. I know that that's something 194 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 6: that's leagued the Bengals. But let's be honest, we've seen 195 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 6: bad tackling in the first month of the season ever 196 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 6: since they changed the way the preseason works. You and 197 00:09:57,559 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 6: I go back to when we had two days in 198 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:02,679 Speaker 6: training camp when the pads were on. Now we never 199 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 6: see that. Guys don't play in the preseason, so most 200 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 6: every team suffers from bad tackling. Now. I don't know 201 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:12,319 Speaker 6: if this is Mike Hilton calling that players only meeting 202 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 6: last week. I don't know if it's him kind of 203 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 6: lighting the fire under guys, but certainly knowing that the 204 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 6: tackling is better and knowing that the defense was a 205 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:24,839 Speaker 6: little bit more on its p's and q's makes you 206 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 6: feel a bit more confident with that side of the 207 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 6: ball and the offense stend. Do you ever count out 208 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 6: an offense that has Joe Barrow at the helm? 209 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 1: I certainly don't. He does say that the ball still 210 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: isn't spinning quite the way that he likes, but he 211 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 1: leads the NFL in passer rating. He showed off his 212 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: speed last week with that forty seven yard touchdown run. 213 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: What stands out to you about his performance through six games? 214 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:50,719 Speaker 6: That's exactly it, right that he told the Sunday Night 215 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 6: Football Crew last week that he thinks it might still 216 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 6: be a full year before that risk is one hundred percent. 217 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:00,839 Speaker 6: We certainly see footage of him flexing his wrist that risk. 218 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 6: And despite that, he is still able to ben the 219 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 6: ball as well as he does, even if it's not 220 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 6: up to his standards. And and the offense has helped, 221 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 6: let's be honest, by a better defense too. 222 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 1: So that defense got most of its defensive lineman back 223 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 1: over the past couple of weeks. That group is finally healthy. 224 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 1: What do you think of the potential of the Bengals 225 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 1: defense with lou Anarumo calling shots. 226 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:30,319 Speaker 6: I think the health makes so much of a difference. 227 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 6: And you're right, it all starts up front. And so 228 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 6: when that whole line is healthy, when that line can 229 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 6: help stop the run, that enables that back end to 230 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 6: make more plays. And so again, I just it's so 231 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 6: hard to assess, and it's especially been this season. You 232 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 6: and I were talking about this before this first month 233 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:52,559 Speaker 6: of the season. For six weeks of this season has 234 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 6: been so odd. The teams that have been underachieving, the 235 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 6: teams that have seemingly been middling, the teams that have 236 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 6: had sort of slow starts. And I think a piece 237 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 6: of that for the Bengals is nobody's running away with 238 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 6: anything right now. You look at the AFC North and yes, 239 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 6: the Steelers are four and two, but they're making a 240 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 6: change at quarterbacks, so who knows how that's going to 241 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 6: work out. And obviously I still feel that the Ravens 242 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 6: are currently the class of the division. But they start 243 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 6: the season so well either so are they a couple 244 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 6: bad plays from being caught? Really, you're talking about maybe 245 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 6: five plays, and the Bengals record is what five and one? 246 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:33,679 Speaker 5: So it's just there's a reason. 247 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 6: That coaches use that cliche that there's such a fine 248 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 6: line between winning and losing, and there's still a lot 249 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 6: of football left, a lot of football left. 250 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: And then there are the Cleveland Browns. You're part of 251 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 1: their preseason broadcast team. You know this team extremely well. 252 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 1: Are you stunned that Cleveland is one in five? 253 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 5: Yes? I am, Frankly I am. 254 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 6: You know, I just said this to you that nobody 255 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:01,199 Speaker 6: plays in the preseason, And I'll tell you a funny story. 256 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 6: So in the preseason, the way that the Browns allow 257 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 6: us to do their broadcasts, we interview a lot of 258 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:10,960 Speaker 6: players during the broadcast, and each week we talked to 259 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 6: one of the coordinators and Jim Schwartz is their defensive coordinator. 260 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 6: You know that this defense was a top two defense 261 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 6: all year last year. And one of our interviews or 262 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:24,679 Speaker 6: you know, we were going in the halftime and I 263 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 6: said to coach Schortz, how do you build off of 264 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 6: what you did last year? Or something along the lines, 265 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 6: what's the next step off of what you established last year? 266 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 6: And I'll tell you, Dan, you need to find the clip, 267 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 6: because he basically bit off my head and said, forget 268 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 6: about last year. 269 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 5: Who knows what we are this year? Nobody's played in 270 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 5: the preseason. I have no idea what we are. 271 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 6: And I'm paraphrasing here, but it was essentially calling me 272 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 6: silly for assuming that this team would pick up where 273 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 6: it was last year. 274 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 5: Well, he was right. 275 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 6: I was wrong, clearly you So, Miles Garrett is still 276 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:02,680 Speaker 6: Miles Garrett. 277 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 5: He is not one hundred percent healthy. But it's funny. 278 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 6: I was talking to a player on the Eagles who 279 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 6: just faced them last week, asking, hey, just give me 280 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 6: some background. 281 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 5: What did you see? 282 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 6: And his first line was ninety five is still ninety five? 283 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:16,679 Speaker 6: And when I said, but can you tell that he's 284 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:18,599 Speaker 6: not one hundred percent? And he said, who cares that 285 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 6: he's not one hundred percent. He's still jumped over a 286 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 6: guy and blocked a kick, so he's still making plays. 287 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 6: Jay Okay, Jeremiah Usukuromoa is playing fantastic. He had a 288 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 6: monster year last year. He is a sideline to sideline, 289 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 6: unbelievably fast linebacker. He's playing really well. 290 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 5: That back end that in. 291 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 6: Theory, should be such a strength, has just been plagued 292 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 6: by injuries. And so you think about Jamar Chase t Higgins, 293 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 6: is Joe Burrow picking apart a secondary that likes to 294 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 6: play man. There are opportunities right there, you know, but 295 00:14:55,440 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 6: it's a shame. I wish that Denzel word was fully healthy. 296 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 6: I hope he's on his way to getting healthy. Mj Emerson. 297 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 6: You know, these are players that are fun to watch 298 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 6: when they're in peak form. So of course that's the 299 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 6: defense right there, and still it's still a good defense. 300 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 6: The offense is just I mean, what do you say, 301 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 6: what do you say? I mean, the can't score twenty points. 302 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 6: They haven't scored twenty points all year. And what's dumbfounding 303 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 6: to me is that Kevin Stefanski had an offensive staff 304 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 6: in place from when he was hired, and his first 305 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 6: season as head coach, he was Coach of the Year. 306 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 6: That was the COVID year, and that offensive staff with 307 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 6: Baker Mayfield as their quarterback or its quarterback, led the 308 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 6: Browns to the playoffs in won a road playoff game 309 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 6: when Kevin Stefanski was in his basement with COVID. That 310 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 6: was that offensive staff. Then that same offensive staff last year, 311 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 6: behind five different starting quarterbacks, earned a playoff berth and 312 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 6: the Browns decided to completely rip up that offensive staff 313 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 6: and completely remake their offense. They say it's an augmented 314 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 6: passing game, but it's obviously a very very different passing game. 315 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 6: And here you are six weeks in and nothing looks smooth, 316 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 6: nothing looks efficient, nothing looks like it's looked the last 317 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 6: few years. Deshaun Watson is clearly still not the player 318 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 6: that he was at some point in Houston when people 319 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 6: thought he was one of the bright young stars at 320 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 6: the quarterback position. I will say this, Nick Chubb, who 321 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 6: is everybody's favorite player, who is arguably one of the 322 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 6: best running backs in the National Football League, in my opinion, 323 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 6: the best running back in the National Football League when healthy. 324 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 6: He's coming back and Dan, the city of Cleveland loves Snickchubb, loves, loves, 325 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 6: loves loves Nick Chubb. When he runs out of the 326 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 6: tunnel on Sunday, that building will come down with all 327 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:11,359 Speaker 6: that noise. And so, first of all, I never count 328 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 6: out Nick Chubb. His first game back after destroying his 329 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 6: knee at Georgia, he went for two hundred and twenty 330 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:21,680 Speaker 6: two yards. So maybe Kevin Stefanski will tell us he's 331 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 6: on a pitch count, but I don't know that that 332 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 6: ever works with Nick chub But even beyond that, I 333 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 6: think the Browns are expecting, hoping for an emotional boost 334 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:32,119 Speaker 6: and emotional lift from the guy that really, actually, truly 335 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 6: is the face of their franchise and embodies everything that 336 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 6: they want to be. I can't tell you how many 337 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 6: people I've been around who've said, if I had a 338 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 6: roster full of Nick Chubbs, I'd never lose. 339 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 1: I really don't root for the star players on the 340 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 1: other teams and the AFC North, but I've got so 341 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 1: much respect for Nick Chubb. After this week, I will 342 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:54,920 Speaker 1: be rooting for Nick Chubb going forward. Logan Wilson said 343 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 1: this week it's the first time in his life that 344 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:00,439 Speaker 1: the team that he was about to play traded one 345 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:03,919 Speaker 1: of its best players that week. The Brown's obviously trading 346 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:06,199 Speaker 1: Amari Cooper. Why do you think they did that. 347 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:09,919 Speaker 6: I don't think that this is the fire sale that 348 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 6: some people think from the outside. I don't think this 349 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:14,679 Speaker 6: is the Browns giving up on the season. This is 350 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:18,919 Speaker 6: just Amari Cooper was under this last year. This was 351 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:22,199 Speaker 6: the last year of his deal. He wasn't going to 352 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 6: be re signed next year, and Brown general manager Andrew 353 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:28,120 Speaker 6: Berry was able to get more picks from the Bills. 354 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 5: Then he gave up. 355 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 6: To get Amari Cooper a couple of years ago from Dallas. 356 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 6: And so I think when you can make a play 357 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 6: like that, and remember the Browns haven't had a lot 358 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:39,399 Speaker 6: of picks because of everything they've given up for j 359 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 6: Deshaun Watson, it seems to make some sense. 360 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 5: I don't think there was another player in the NFL 361 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 5: who had. 362 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 6: More uncatchable targets than Amari Cooper did. 363 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 5: So it's a deep, wide receiver room. 364 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 6: You haven't seen everything that the Browns want to see 365 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 6: by any means out of Jerry Judy or Elijah or 366 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 6: Cedric Tillman, who's a very young talented guy. It's an 367 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 6: opportunity for some other people to step up. And they're 368 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,199 Speaker 6: tight ends too. Don't forget about the tight ends. You 369 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 6: know those are at least in Kevin Stefanski's previous offense. 370 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 6: Those tight ends are very, very key. 371 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 1: Final thing for add Kin Kabwala. If the Bengals are 372 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 1: able to win this week and get to three and four, 373 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 1: they've got back to back home games coming up after that, 374 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:26,400 Speaker 1: were that to happen, do you feel like they're right 375 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: back in the thick of things. 376 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 6: Win this week and of course you're right back in 377 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:32,399 Speaker 6: the thick of things. You know, every coach loves to 378 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 6: say this. The goal is just to go Wan to know. 379 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 6: The goal is to go Wan to know. You keep 380 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:38,200 Speaker 6: stacking those one and oh's, and you're in good shape. 381 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 5: And as we keep. 382 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 6: Saying, no one is running away with the AFC North 383 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 6: right now, no one is necessarily looking. 384 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, the Chiefs, the Bills, you know, you have the class. 385 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 6: Of the AFC in some ways, but it's also just 386 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 6: about getting in the dance and nothing is insurmountable right now. 387 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 6: The Bengals just need to continue because we saw it 388 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 6: this past week, and continue to play better defense, and 389 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 6: I think you'll see some good things. You know the 390 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 6: talents there, and you know the coaching is there. 391 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 1: Look forward to seeing you on the sideline this Sunday 392 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 1: and really appreciate your time. Keep up the great work, Adidi, Thank. 393 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 5: You and thanks so much for having me. It's always 394 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 5: a pleasure. 395 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 1: The Bengals Booth Podcast is brought to you by pay Corps, 396 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 1: Proud to be the Bengals Official HR software provider, by 397 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 1: Alta Fiber future proof Fiber Internet designed to elevate your home, 398 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: business and community to a new level, and by Kettering 399 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 1: Health the best care for the best fans. Kettering Health 400 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 1: is the official healthcare provider of the Bengals. As add 401 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 1: pointed out, the Browns offense has been abysmal this year. 402 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 1: Not only haven't the Browns scored more than eighteen points 403 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 1: in a game, but DeShawn Watson, who has still owed 404 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:54,640 Speaker 1: ninety two million bucks over the next two years, hasn't 405 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:58,119 Speaker 1: passed for two hundred yards in a single game this year, 406 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 1: and at one point, the Browns offense failed to convert 407 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: on twenty six consecutive third downs. Now, normally that might 408 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,399 Speaker 1: mean a change at quarterback and the Browns have former 409 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:14,360 Speaker 1: number one overall draft pick Jamis Winston waiting in the wings, 410 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:18,439 Speaker 1: but head coach Kevin Stefanski says he is sticking with 411 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson. 412 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 7: I think Deshaun gives us the best chance to win, 413 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:24,919 Speaker 7: continues to give us the best chance to win, and 414 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:28,399 Speaker 7: we need to play really good offensive football at his 415 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 7: position and really at every position to be successful. 416 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 8: On Sunday, Kevin, I know that we asked you this 417 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:38,640 Speaker 8: last week, but it seems to be that the prevailing 418 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:43,679 Speaker 8: narrative still seems to be that everyone thinks that Jimmy 419 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 8: Haslam is forcing you to play Deshaun Watson. So I 420 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 8: guess I just want to throw it out there again 421 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 8: and ask how is this decision made and is there 422 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 8: any truth. 423 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:56,440 Speaker 5: To that whatsoever. 424 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 7: Well, as you know, Mary Kay, I don't get caught 425 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:03,440 Speaker 7: up in narratives, but we have a good dialogue with 426 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 7: myself Andrew Ownership about all things that have to do 427 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 7: with this team. They've been nothing but supportive and any 428 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,640 Speaker 7: decision when it comes to football is my decision. 429 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 1: For more on the Browns, we turned to Zach Jackson, 430 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 1: who covers the team for the Athletic He joined Lapping 431 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 1: me this week on the Bengals Game Plan Show. 432 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 4: What's that locker room like? I mean, what you're dealing 433 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 4: with all kinds of crap? Really, what is it like 434 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 4: in here on a day to day basis? 435 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's quiet, Lap. You know what you do if 436 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 2: you're them, is you find a positive. And you mentioned it. 437 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:42,160 Speaker 2: It's Chubb coming back, it's coming home after a three 438 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 2: game road trip, right, it's that Miles Garrett is really good. 439 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,639 Speaker 2: It's the defense is really good. And you know, frankly, 440 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 2: the defense has not been great, but which one is 441 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 2: every single Sunday? You know, the defense has been good 442 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 2: enough for this team to at least be five hundred, 443 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 2: And it's been so bad that if they didn't just 444 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 2: scored two touchdowns in some of these games, they'd be 445 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,639 Speaker 2: five hundred. So that's not to say that they're close 446 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,919 Speaker 2: to turn in the corner, because they're not. But we 447 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:13,879 Speaker 2: know when these teams get together, you know, strange things happen. 448 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,879 Speaker 2: We know that Miles Garrett taking over games is not 449 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:21,159 Speaker 2: a strange thing. It's a common thing. And you know, 450 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 2: like maybe the trade of Amari Cooper is the start 451 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 2: of a total teardown and an admission that this whole 452 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 2: thing's a disaster, because right now it's a disaster. Or 453 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:34,399 Speaker 2: maybe it was just to send a little message that 454 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,639 Speaker 2: it's time to change and the guys here has to 455 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 2: play better, which they do and we'll see. So I'm 456 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 2: not ruling the Browns out this week, but I'm here 457 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,399 Speaker 2: to tell you guys, in total honesty, that it's worse 458 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,360 Speaker 2: than it looks from the outside, and there's a chance 459 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 2: that it's going to be bad for a lot of times. 460 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 1: Zach, why did they trade Amari Cooper? 461 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,440 Speaker 2: Well, his body language stunk, his performance was up and down, 462 00:23:57,960 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 2: and a lot of that was attributed to the fact 463 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 2: that they can't get him the ball and the pass 464 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 2: offense just thinks. He had been pouting since the summer 465 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 2: over a contract issue. You know, some of it was 466 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 2: brought on themselves. They didn't extend him. They acquired Jerry 467 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 2: Judy for nothing and immediately extended Jerry Judy, who's never 468 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,439 Speaker 2: done anything in his career. When Amari wanted his money. 469 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,879 Speaker 2: They offered up Amari to the Niners and a trade 470 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:25,120 Speaker 2: in a pursuit of Brandon Ayukamuri didn't like that, but 471 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 2: mostly it's because Amari spent five of the six games 472 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 2: running routes and the ball wasn't coming near him most times. 473 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 2: And the other day in the fourth quarter, watching through 474 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 2: the best pass of the season and Amari caught it 475 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 2: and it set up first and goal at the five 476 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 2: in the last four minutes of the game, and they 477 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 2: ended up kicking a field goal from the thirteen, which 478 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 2: kind of sums up the season. 479 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 4: So when you have a season like this, normally injury 480 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 4: is somewhere in the storyline. The offensive line is beaten up, 481 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 4: the back end defensively is beaten up. I mean, has 482 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:58,159 Speaker 4: that been a big contributing factor. 483 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, the other line been a huge factor lap underperformance. 484 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 2: That availability, bad luck with the injuries and having to 485 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 2: mix and match things. You know, they bench the rookies 486 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 2: enter the other day and then he's in there on 487 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 2: the third play because the center got hurt and so 488 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 2: the guy who replaced him had to go to center. 489 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:20,400 Speaker 2: So yeah, it's just been not good. Now. They did 490 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 2: start running the ball in the second half the other day. 491 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:24,879 Speaker 2: I think the offensive line had something to do with that, 492 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 2: But there's just been sequences where someone misses a block, 493 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,639 Speaker 2: Watson misses a pass, and then maybe he gets off 494 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,399 Speaker 2: a pass and it's dropped, or somebody else misses the 495 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 2: block and he misses a read. I mean, it's it's 496 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 2: been a lot of things. He has played awful. He 497 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,160 Speaker 2: has played awful by the standards of a rookie seventh rounder, 498 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 2: let alone a guy with his contract. But it's not 499 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,160 Speaker 2: all been his fault. And you have a two time 500 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 2: Coach of the Year whose team can't stop getting penalties 501 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 2: and can't figure out a way to spark the quarterback, 502 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 2: if quarterback who drops back and doesn't appear to know 503 00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 2: what he's seeing most of the time. So that's how 504 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,359 Speaker 2: you end up one five and staring at a future 505 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 2: that looks pretty bleak because every dime of his contract 506 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:08,120 Speaker 2: is fully guaranteed. So they they this is the most 507 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 2: expensive roster in NFL history, and even with its works, 508 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:15,680 Speaker 2: it still has Miles Garrett, Denzel Ward right, some other 509 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 2: guys who were really good, had Amarty Cooper until yesterday 510 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:24,119 Speaker 2: at three o'clock. But going forward, I'm not sure they 511 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:27,119 Speaker 2: can spend their way out of this one, because this 512 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:28,639 Speaker 2: is this is the worst trade in the history of 513 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:29,119 Speaker 2: the NFL. 514 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 4: So does does dun stay at center and Zinra come 515 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 4: back and play at the guard position. And of the 516 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 4: thirty one sacks accumulated, which is is it more on 517 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 4: the quarterback holding the football, is the old line guilty 518 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 4: or is in mix? 519 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 2: It's been all of them up. I remember a sequence 520 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 2: in Washington they threw a screen for a loss of seven. 521 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 2: They had an unblocked head rusher. On the next play, 522 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,440 Speaker 2: Watson escape throws at it's dropped, and then on third 523 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,159 Speaker 2: down here comes to rush again and he has to 524 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 2: throw it away before anybody could get open. So it's 525 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 2: been all that. Yeah, I think post Sick might get back. 526 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 2: I don't know that he's totally ruled out, but if 527 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,879 Speaker 2: it's not him, it'll be done at center. Dune's been 528 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,120 Speaker 2: around a long time and he's played all five positions 529 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:12,879 Speaker 2: in practice, but he never had to play center in 530 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 2: a game until last week. And like I said, Zenner 531 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 2: made a couple of starts they didn't go well. He's 532 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 2: back in Jack Conklin's back. That's good for him. He's 533 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,679 Speaker 2: been through major knee injuries, as you know, been a 534 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 2: really good player when he's been healthy, missed thirteen months. Really, 535 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:32,200 Speaker 2: if Chubb plays Sunday and he's going to barring something crazy, 536 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,680 Speaker 2: those two guys will have missed the exact amount of 537 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 2: time because Conkland got hurt in last year's opener and 538 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 2: Hubb got hurt we too, so you know, for better 539 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 2: or worse, both have been off of injuries before. Both 540 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 2: have been really good players. Nick Chubb is a really 541 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 2: special player, and he's a player that's super popular with 542 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,159 Speaker 2: the fan base and everybody wants him to succeed. We 543 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:53,879 Speaker 2: don't know what he's going to be, We don't know 544 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 2: what his snap count is going to be, here can be, 545 00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,440 Speaker 2: but that's really the only thing that's going to bring 546 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,880 Speaker 2: the energy that in the defense on Sunday, because if 547 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 2: the offense doesn't come out and score the first draft 548 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 2: and they have one touchdown and their last twenty nine possessions, 549 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:10,920 Speaker 2: let me say that again, one touchdown and their last 550 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 2: twenty nine possessions, and that stadium is going to turn 551 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 2: as ugly as it's ever been. 552 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,119 Speaker 1: Zach Jackson is our guest. He covers the Browns for 553 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 1: The Athletic. You can follow him on x at Akron 554 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,640 Speaker 1: Jackson let me follow up on Nick Chubb. In Week 555 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:29,879 Speaker 1: two last year, he told tour the ACL MCL PCL 556 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 1: I think those are all of the cls that you 557 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:36,359 Speaker 1: have in the knee. From what you've heard, does he 558 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 1: look like he's running as fast as ever? As you said, 559 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 1: we don't know how many snaps he's going to get 560 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 1: on Sunday, But from what coaches and teammates have said, 561 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 1: how does he look? 562 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, he looks like Nick Chubb and there's been no 563 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 2: brace or anything. You know, he's been doing the work. 564 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 2: This is a guy that I've always called him the 565 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 2: ultimate low maintenance superstar, right because he's just not in 566 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 2: to anything but football, and he has always been an 567 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 2: incredibly hard worker and an incredibly low key talent by 568 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 2: his personality and by playing on some bad teams. You know. Frankly, 569 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 2: I think they preserved his career intentionally with those years. 570 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 2: The Kareem Hunt was really running with him. You know, 571 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 2: at first they had to actually trade a guy to 572 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 2: get him on the field. That's back when Hugh Jackson 573 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 2: was the coach and things were really bleak. But man, 574 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 2: they would love to have him, and like I said, 575 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 2: he it will be an emotional boost because he has 576 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 2: that kind of respect in the locker room, not earned, 577 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 2: I mean, not given earned to him. So you know, 578 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 2: I don't know. I think the second time around you 579 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 2: might see more of Nick Chubb, but I think he'll 580 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 2: be introduced as a starter on Sunday. I think he'll 581 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 2: probably be the starter for the emotional boost. But if 582 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 2: he gets any more than ten or twelve carries, I'll 583 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 2: be surprised. And I think that's probably a key to 584 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 2: the game. The Browns have to get the run other 585 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 2: than the trambles. They have to do it. They have 586 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 2: to help their defense that way. They have to help 587 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 2: the offensive line settle in, and they have to help 588 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 2: their quarterback by doing it. I think when they finally 589 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,719 Speaker 2: moved the ball over the last twenty or so minutes 590 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 2: last week in Philly, it was because the run set 591 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 2: up some other things and finally set up the one 592 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 2: big pass. They only have two passes over thirty yards 593 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 2: all year long. 594 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 4: Wow, So Miles Garrett, are they moving them around as 595 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 4: much as they have in the pastors? He pretty much 596 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 4: settled in in one spot. 597 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he starts in that spot. Lap they 598 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 2: do move him around, But the major problem is this 599 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 2: is an attack defense even without Miles Garrett, and they 600 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 2: haven't had the lead to really let it loose. So 601 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 2: he's been awesome. He blocked the field goal last week. 602 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 2: He's had the multi sat games. You know, even when 603 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 2: the other guy, Alex Right gets the winning safety in Jacksonville, 604 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 2: it's Miles Rush, it's interrever Lawrence's head. You've seen him 605 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 2: do it. You've seen him do it to Joe, You've 606 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 2: seen him do it to other guys. This is the 607 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 2: best version of Miles last year carried into this year. 608 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:55,479 Speaker 2: So you know what's going to happen. How will they 609 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 2: move him around if they get a chance to play 610 00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 2: with a lead, if they get in the game, or 611 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,800 Speaker 2: the defense needs that one stop to preserve it. They 612 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 2: just haven't been in that situation. You know, they've been 613 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 2: they've been losing these games and they've been coming down 614 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 2: to the end and they haven't done that. But he 615 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 2: looks great and he's you know, he's going to haunt 616 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 2: Joe's thoughts and Dan Pitcher's thoughts all week, and he 617 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 2: does that to all those guys. He really does. 618 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 1: My final question Zach asked to do with Deshaun Watson. 619 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 1: We heard the comment earlier on this show from Kevin 620 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 1: Stefanski where he said Deshaun gives us the best chance 621 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,960 Speaker 1: to win. He's just audio, so we couldn't see if 622 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 1: there was a Pinocchio factor there with a nose growing. 623 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 1: But what do you think happened to Deshaun Watson? What's 624 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 1: your theory? Why has he gone from being one of 625 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 1: the best quarterbacks in the league to arguably the worst. 626 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 2: Well, I think it's a lot of things. I think 627 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 2: the time away, I'm not sure where his mind is 628 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:49,719 Speaker 2: in relation to football, and I'm not going to put 629 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 2: any words in his mouth. We didn't know him before this, 630 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 2: you know, he was never here. He played in Cleveland 631 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 2: one time and initially didn't want to come in. The 632 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 2: weather was a part of it because he played in 633 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,200 Speaker 2: like an early November, late October game and it was 634 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,959 Speaker 2: twenty degree like it is in January here, you know. 635 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,480 Speaker 2: But he is not a stylistic fit with Kevin Stefanski. 636 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 2: He has not played enough to be confident here. But 637 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 2: to me, he's just he has zero pocket presence. He 638 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 2: doesn't process, and I just don't see a confident player. 639 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 2: I just don't. I occasionally see good throws, I occasionally 640 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 2: see the talent that we've seen. I mean, this is 641 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 2: we watched him as a true freshman. It comes to 642 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 2: the nation, did right, But I see a guy who's 643 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 2: a shell of that, and these numbers are appallingly bad. 644 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 2: Some of them are historically bad. I'm sure you haven't 645 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,040 Speaker 2: in front of you somewhere there. We're will in the 646 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 2: booth on Sunday, and it matches the eye test, it 647 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 2: really does, and we're really we've seen it. Like I said, 648 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 2: I've seen stretches, I've seen throws, but training camp, practice 649 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 2: and now to games like this has been three years. 650 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 2: He's just not good anymore. And those numbers often don't 651 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 2: tell the story, but in this case, right now, mid 652 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 2: October twenty four, they do, And every dime is guaranteed 653 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 2: for one hundred and seventy dollars seventy million dollars in 654 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 2: cap commitments to this guy who's giving you no chance 655 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 2: to win, and the head coach is saying with a 656 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 2: straight face, he gives us our best chance to win, 657 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 2: all right, thanks. 658 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,240 Speaker 1: To Zach Jackson. 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