WEBVTT - 11: Krystin Crane speaks out EXCLUSIVELY to SLEUTH about her time with Rachel Buffett as theatre college students atttending Long Beach Community College. 0:00:00.640 --> 0:00:05.119 Please be advised this story contains adult content and graphic language. 0:00:06.559 --> 0:00:08.680 Out of the blue, we were talking about mydea and 0:00:08.720 --> 0:00:11.400 she just went, if you could get away with killing someone, 0:00:12.160 --> 0:00:17.200 would you kill them? And I know, I was kind 0:00:17.200 --> 0:00:18.919 of like a taken back. I thought it was an 0:00:18.920 --> 0:00:23.520 odd question and I just answered no, and she said, 0:00:24.040 --> 0:00:41.599 I would welcome to sleuth. I'm Linda Sawyer. Next up, 0:00:41.880 --> 0:00:46.200 we welcome Christen Burgo Moscow now Kristen Crane, who knew 0:00:46.280 --> 0:00:49.880 Rachel Buffett during their time together as students attending Long 0:00:49.880 --> 0:00:55.360 Beach Community College's theater department. Kristen's stories about her encounters 0:00:55.400 --> 0:00:59.760 with Rachel our foreboding tales of a future that Kristen 0:01:00.040 --> 0:01:04.040 early predicted for Rachel just two weeks before the murders. 0:01:06.280 --> 0:01:11.039 Hey Kristen, Hi, how are you So? You were a 0:01:11.080 --> 0:01:16.320 witness at Daniel wazni next trial and you shared with 0:01:16.640 --> 0:01:22.880 the court a lot of your observations and experiences with her, 0:01:23.040 --> 0:01:26.520 which pretty much happened during that time you were at 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:31.720 the Long Beach Community College? Is that correct? Correct? So 0:01:31.760 --> 0:01:34.560 why don't you give us a sense of when you 0:01:34.640 --> 0:01:37.080 first met her, what was the first encounter you had? 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:43.080 And and uh, take us back to that time. Sure, 0:01:43.200 --> 0:01:45.680 um at the college campus, I was part of the 0:01:45.680 --> 0:01:50.000 theater program, and it was a tight knit community to 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:53.120 be in. Most of us were friends. But I did 0:01:53.200 --> 0:01:56.600 feel that regarding Rachel there was kind of a divide. 0:01:56.640 --> 0:01:59.720 There were some people that I thought she was really 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:03.160 and then there were some people that thought she was 0:02:03.320 --> 0:02:06.280 very nice. And I'm the type of person that likes 0:02:06.360 --> 0:02:09.639 to you know, I like to come to conclusions on 0:02:09.680 --> 0:02:12.680 my own, so I gave everyone a fair chance. I 0:02:12.720 --> 0:02:15.440 won't let somebody else's opinion as somebody else kind of 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:19.560 sway me. So when I first met Rachel, I thought 0:02:19.560 --> 0:02:22.880 she was nice. Different, but I did think she was nice. 0:02:22.919 --> 0:02:25.359 So my initial impression was that she was nice. And 0:02:25.880 --> 0:02:27.919 when I say she was different, it was kind of 0:02:29.040 --> 0:02:31.880 obvious that she was a little bit more sheltered, I 0:02:31.960 --> 0:02:36.040 want to say, than most people at that age, because 0:02:36.040 --> 0:02:37.919 I think abound the time I was start either nineteen 0:02:38.080 --> 0:02:40.239 or I think it was the fall of two thousand 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:42.839 and six. Said yeah, so then I would have been 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:47.040 I would have been nineteen. Yeah, so for me and 0:02:47.120 --> 0:02:49.440 my experience of other nineteen year old and then I 0:02:49.440 --> 0:02:52.480 did find out that she had been homeschooled, I attributed 0:02:52.520 --> 0:02:55.000 it to that, like, maybe she's just a little socially 0:02:55.000 --> 0:02:58.720 awkward because she had been homeschooled. Not to attack anybody 0:02:58.720 --> 0:03:01.400 that's been home school When you're that, you just don't 0:03:01.480 --> 0:03:06.160 have you don't have the experiences of being amongst your peers. 0:03:06.280 --> 0:03:10.400 You just don't have that social aspect of your growing education, 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:14.640 right right? Did you get close with her because you 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:19.519 were both in the theater department there, So how I 0:03:19.560 --> 0:03:23.040 got to know her better was and I we were 0:03:23.080 --> 0:03:26.680 both cast in a show together. Um, and that was 0:03:27.360 --> 0:03:30.320 Anti Guny. We were in Antigny together. Yeah, we were 0:03:30.320 --> 0:03:33.760 casting a show together. And so I lived in Orange County, 0:03:34.080 --> 0:03:36.040 so it was a far drive for me. So I 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:39.360 would I would have classes in the morning and afternoon 0:03:39.480 --> 0:03:41.520 and then there would be like a two hour gap 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:44.720 where between my classes and rehearsals, so I'd kind of 0:03:44.760 --> 0:03:48.440 just be stuck on the campus and a lot of 0:03:48.440 --> 0:03:51.560 times Rachel had the same gap as I did. So 0:03:51.680 --> 0:03:54.240 since we were in the show together, I was just 0:03:54.320 --> 0:03:55.720 kind of like, hey, you want to hang out and 0:03:56.080 --> 0:04:00.160 keep each other company between rehearsals and class So that's 0:04:00.200 --> 0:04:03.920 kind of how I got to know her better. You 0:04:04.040 --> 0:04:06.800 developed a bit of a friendship at the time. Yeah, 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:11.640 I would say, yes, So tell us about the conversations 0:04:11.720 --> 0:04:15.040 that you would have with her when it involved you 0:04:15.440 --> 0:04:18.560 on these breaks. I remember the time where we were 0:04:18.560 --> 0:04:21.839 in the car together going to Starbucks. We were on 0:04:21.880 --> 0:04:26.040 a break between class and rehearsal, and we were talking 0:04:26.080 --> 0:04:32.799 about media. Media is a Greek tragedy where a scorned woman, um, 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:36.920 she ends up to seek revenge on her ex husband, um, 0:04:37.000 --> 0:04:40.680 she actually killed her two children. Since we were talking 0:04:40.720 --> 0:04:45.760 about this Greek tragedy, she had asked me out of 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:48.279 the blue. We were talking about media, and she just went, 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:51.440 if you could get away with killing someone, would you 0:04:51.520 --> 0:04:56.240 kill them? And I no. I was kind of like 0:04:56.279 --> 0:04:58.600 a taken back. I thought it was an odd question 0:04:58.640 --> 0:05:06.120 and I just answered and she said I would Wow, 0:05:08.800 --> 0:05:12.400 that must have I mean, how did how did you 0:05:12.440 --> 0:05:15.960 feel at that moment um At that moment, I think 0:05:16.040 --> 0:05:19.000 this was like the beginning of of kind of me 0:05:19.080 --> 0:05:23.039 going all right, there, there's I'm starting. I was starting 0:05:23.080 --> 0:05:29.360 to see how others in my department wanted to keep 0:05:29.400 --> 0:05:32.039 their distance from her. A lot of people would say 0:05:32.040 --> 0:05:36.160 she was crazy, and I wanted to kind of develop 0:05:36.240 --> 0:05:40.880 that opinion on my own before I passed any quick judgments, 0:05:40.920 --> 0:05:43.000 and and that was where I was The wheels in 0:05:43.040 --> 0:05:45.799 my head were starting to turn that maybe she wasn't 0:05:45.839 --> 0:05:50.400 the most say, the best person to spend your time with. 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:54.240 So she basically said she would like it was just 0:05:54.400 --> 0:05:56.839 so matter of fact that if she was guaranteed she 0:05:56.880 --> 0:06:01.799 could get away with it. Yes, that's what she said. 0:06:03.000 --> 0:06:06.800 From what I've heard from other former friends of hers, 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:12.240 that there's this sort of selfishness, this sense of the 0:06:12.320 --> 0:06:16.279 attention always has to be on me, similar to almost 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:24.719 like a Casey Anthony. I definitely had looking back, I 0:06:24.839 --> 0:06:28.800 definitely felt, especially at the time, by the time two 0:06:28.839 --> 0:06:31.840 thousand eight rolled around, I believe like the Casey Anthony 0:06:32.040 --> 0:06:35.560 case had a lot of attention. And I do remember 0:06:35.640 --> 0:06:39.920 making that observation saying the same thing that she reminds 0:06:39.960 --> 0:06:43.440 me of Casey Anthony, so that there was there was 0:06:43.480 --> 0:06:48.240 a soullessness to her. I yes. And there was even 0:06:48.279 --> 0:06:51.960 a professor at the theater department that I mean, and 0:06:52.000 --> 0:06:56.800 this was like a few years before anything had happened, 0:06:56.920 --> 0:07:00.560 and he had I can't remember the exact quote, but 0:07:00.600 --> 0:07:03.320 he said something to that effect that when you look 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:06.400 into her eyes, there's just white there's no soul there 0:07:08.600 --> 0:07:12.080 and that's stuck with me. And I also do remember 0:07:12.160 --> 0:07:14.920 when we were in rehearsal one day. I don't remember 0:07:14.960 --> 0:07:18.120 what we were talking about. I remember Rachel had said 0:07:18.160 --> 0:07:22.160 something to the effect of I would rather be infamous 0:07:23.160 --> 0:07:27.680 then not known at all. Well, that certainly falls in 0:07:27.760 --> 0:07:31.400 line with what some of her friends at the time 0:07:31.880 --> 0:07:35.200 who were at the press conference when she was released 0:07:35.400 --> 0:07:41.400 from jail, that she was telling some of her friends 0:07:42.160 --> 0:07:47.640 that she was so impressed that she was hearing the 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:51.280 news about her release and that they were referring to 0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:54.960 her as an actress, and that was what really struck 0:07:54.960 --> 0:08:00.640 her as right. Yeah, yeah, And I do remember uh 0:08:00.880 --> 0:08:03.560 something to that effect, but I think in a different setting, 0:08:03.680 --> 0:08:07.440 I remember there was and I didn't hear this directly 0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:11.680 because by the time everything happened, by the time you know, 0:08:11.760 --> 0:08:14.480 Dan had gotten arrested, I no longer spoke to her, 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:18.320 but I had mutual friends that spoke to her. I 0:08:18.400 --> 0:08:20.640 had a mutual friend that spoke to a friend of hers, 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:26.080 and I know that File Ruble had a friend named 0:08:26.160 --> 0:08:30.720 Marissa who was very close to Rachel at that time. 0:08:31.040 --> 0:08:34.720 And when I think, if I'm remembering the story correctly, 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:38.439 Marissa actually went to the wedding. She didn't realize the 0:08:38.480 --> 0:08:42.120 wedding had been called off, and so she called called 0:08:42.200 --> 0:08:45.960 Rachel to see what was going on. And Rachel's reaction 0:08:46.040 --> 0:08:50.000 to that was, well, google Dan and then call me back. 0:08:50.679 --> 0:08:53.160 So I think, you know, until Marissa looks it up. 0:08:53.200 --> 0:08:56.360 She sees what happened, so she called, you know, Rachel back. She's, 0:08:56.400 --> 0:09:00.000 of course devastated, shocked. And I remember Rachel had said, 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:03.480 Zamerisa that all the newspapers and all the articles about 0:09:03.559 --> 0:09:05.480 it that referred to her as an actress, and she 0:09:05.640 --> 0:09:09.560 was like, can you believe it, They're calling me an actress? 0:09:09.600 --> 0:09:13.199 Like she was really proud of that, of of that reference. 0:09:13.240 --> 0:09:17.080 Instead of really wanting to cower in shame that you 0:09:17.240 --> 0:09:23.040 involved and attached to this uh person that committed these murders, instead, 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:26.560 you cite the reference of you being an actress as 0:09:26.679 --> 0:09:31.960 some kind of a glory moment. Yeah. And and at 0:09:32.040 --> 0:09:35.360 that time, because I had already stopped speaking to her 0:09:35.400 --> 0:09:38.400 because I thought she was very strange and quite frankly 0:09:38.520 --> 0:09:42.480 capable of these types of things, I was not surprised 0:09:43.200 --> 0:09:46.600 in the slightest right that she that this would be 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:52.360 her reaction. I wasn't just sort of disassociated from the 0:09:52.440 --> 0:09:55.280 reality of what the subject matter was and why she 0:09:55.400 --> 0:09:59.199 was in the press in the first place. Exactly exactly. 0:09:59.240 --> 0:10:04.880 There's no remorse, there's no nothing, nothing. I know that 0:10:05.000 --> 0:10:12.880 you were aware of a story about the the Gentleman 0:10:12.920 --> 0:10:15.439 that she sort of outed as a as a gay man. 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:19.720 Would you share that. I think it was with Andy Pitts. Yes, 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:23.160 tell us that story, because it really, to me is 0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:31.280 indicative of how how evil she can be, how cruel. Right. Um, Well, 0:10:31.960 --> 0:10:36.720 at at that time, I believe she had some sort 0:10:36.760 --> 0:10:40.480 of secret relationship with Kyle Ruble. And I say it 0:10:40.520 --> 0:10:43.720 was secret because I if I'm remembering this correctly, I 0:10:43.760 --> 0:10:46.400 believe Kyle had a at the time, what had a 0:10:46.880 --> 0:10:51.000 was in a relationship with somebody else and him and 0:10:51.080 --> 0:10:54.080 Rachel had something else going on on the side, and 0:10:54.200 --> 0:10:58.520 there was a party at Andy's house and um, and 0:10:58.520 --> 0:11:01.160 Andy Pitts was a mutual well friend, He was a 0:11:01.200 --> 0:11:05.080 colleague at the school. He was a friend of mine. Yes, 0:11:05.679 --> 0:11:10.439 And I believe at the time, like I think, at 0:11:10.480 --> 0:11:16.880 the time, he was not um. I think he identified 0:11:16.920 --> 0:11:19.480 as a straight man. I am not sure, but Rachel 0:11:20.080 --> 0:11:23.240 had it in her head that he was gay, and 0:11:23.360 --> 0:11:26.840 so there was a party at his house. He slept 0:11:26.880 --> 0:11:32.360 with him, and at the end of it all, Um, 0:11:32.400 --> 0:11:35.160 I believe she said something to him to the effect of, hey, 0:11:35.200 --> 0:11:37.560 she let him know that she was also sleeping with Kyle, 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:40.959 and it made him feel really awkward. But she also 0:11:41.000 --> 0:11:42.920 said to him, I thought you were gay, and I 0:11:42.960 --> 0:11:46.080 thought this could help you come out. And didn't she 0:11:46.240 --> 0:11:48.800 out him with all the other students. Didn't he leave 0:11:48.840 --> 0:11:55.080 the college for a while? Um, I don't, I don't. 0:11:55.120 --> 0:11:57.200 I know he left, but I think it was because 0:11:57.240 --> 0:11:59.679 he was ready to transfer. I don't think he left 0:11:59.760 --> 0:12:03.040 the house of that. And I remember she was. He 0:12:03.120 --> 0:12:07.240 would tell people that she thought he was gay and 0:12:07.240 --> 0:12:09.080 and this, and that she had slept with him, and 0:12:09.120 --> 0:12:11.240 she kind of made like a joke out of it. 0:12:11.640 --> 0:12:16.680 But I think most people, for everyone I knew, had 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:19.760 empathy for him, right, and Kyle had not. I met 0:12:19.800 --> 0:12:22.320 with Kyle and he said something to the effect of 0:12:22.440 --> 0:12:25.440 she she came back after sleeping with him and sort 0:12:25.440 --> 0:12:28.240 of shamed him in front of everybody, in front of 0:12:28.280 --> 0:12:31.880 the cast and and basically in essence was outing him. 0:12:31.920 --> 0:12:36.320 Is the feeling he got, Well, I don't, I don't. 0:12:36.920 --> 0:12:39.800 I believe she did, but I think she did it 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:41.920 in a in a way that was like she wanted 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:46.320 Kyle to be jealous, and she wanted Kyle to to 0:12:46.440 --> 0:12:49.560 be violent with him in front of people. I think 0:12:49.640 --> 0:12:53.760 that was more if I'm remembering correctly, I remember that 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:55.880 was kind of a motive as well, like she wanted 0:12:56.200 --> 0:12:58.560 Kyle to go and like beat him up in front 0:12:58.600 --> 0:13:01.840 of everybody, like how dare he bleek with his woman? 0:13:02.080 --> 0:13:04.600 But so she wanted to out him the poor guy 0:13:04.720 --> 0:13:06.640 and have him beat up at the same time, it's 0:13:06.679 --> 0:13:12.200 like all about drama for her. It sounds like yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:13:12.480 --> 0:13:16.320 I mean that's yeah, I mean, that's that's really evil. 0:13:16.840 --> 0:13:21.760 I'm sorry. I mean yeah that this is why I 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:26.760 felt that I needed to say something. And I know 0:13:26.840 --> 0:13:30.120 that Audrey McVeigh is another friend of hers, or was 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:31.840 a friend for a while, and I know that you're 0:13:31.880 --> 0:13:34.520 also friends with her. I spent I've spent quite a 0:13:34.520 --> 0:13:37.440 bit of time with Audrey, and she's been so candid 0:13:37.600 --> 0:13:43.000 and forthright as far as her experiences with Rachel. And 0:13:43.080 --> 0:13:46.560 I know that you also know quite a bit about 0:13:47.000 --> 0:13:53.319 how there was this propensity to steal. Yeah, and I 0:13:54.000 --> 0:13:56.760 I never experienced that first hand. I heard about it 0:13:57.559 --> 0:14:02.319 through Audrey and and Audrew said it was a regular 0:14:02.559 --> 0:14:07.200 there was sort of a daily lifestyle choice that that 0:14:07.320 --> 0:14:11.240 it was food and clothes and furniture. And the only 0:14:11.280 --> 0:14:13.960 thing that upset Rachel was she couldn't figure out how 0:14:14.000 --> 0:14:19.600 to steal her cigarettes. Yeah, yeah, I remember that. I 0:14:19.640 --> 0:14:23.400 remember Audrey telling me about that. Yes, what fascinated me 0:14:23.480 --> 0:14:27.880 was supposedly she stole her bridesmaid stresses from Burlington co Factory. 0:14:27.880 --> 0:14:30.480 And I'm like, she's such a little thing. How on 0:14:30.600 --> 0:14:34.800 earth did she hide hid those dresses? Yeah, well, I 0:14:34.840 --> 0:14:41.440 remember so. Um about two weeks before um, before I 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:43.000 want to say that that it had to have been 0:14:43.960 --> 0:14:50.080 May Um, Audrey had come over to my house because 0:14:50.120 --> 0:14:52.240 she wanted to talk to me. I had warned Audrey 0:14:52.280 --> 0:14:55.160 about Rachel. I had warned Audrey to stay away from Rachel, 0:14:55.200 --> 0:14:59.400 but Audrey was going to be a bridesmaid in their wedding, 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:02.000 and she had called me out of the blue that 0:15:02.200 --> 0:15:04.840 May and said, you know what, I dropped out of 0:15:05.000 --> 0:15:07.880 Rachel's wedding and I'd like to come and talk to 0:15:07.920 --> 0:15:09.840 you about it. And so she had actually come over 0:15:09.880 --> 0:15:13.960 to my apartment at the time, and UM was telling 0:15:13.960 --> 0:15:16.720 me about the ceiling and stuff like that, and I 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:20.280 don't remember exactly what it was they that Rachel stole 0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:23.000 a Burlington co factory, but I know Audrey and her 0:15:23.040 --> 0:15:28.680 went shopping and Rachel stole things and Audrey didn't know 0:15:28.800 --> 0:15:31.280 what was going on, and Audrey didn't find out until 0:15:31.480 --> 0:15:35.120 after they went back to Rachel's apartment, and Audrey was 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:38.440 upset because she felt like, well, if you had gotten 0:15:38.680 --> 0:15:42.280 caught ceiling, you could have brought me down with you. 0:15:42.400 --> 0:15:45.760 And I had no idea what you were doing. That's 0:15:45.800 --> 0:15:48.600 a similar story that we had from an ex boyfriend, 0:15:48.640 --> 0:15:50.400 the same thing, Like he gets in the car and 0:15:50.440 --> 0:15:53.040 all of a sudden, she starts to laugh because he said, 0:15:53.240 --> 0:15:55.200 you don't have to steal, I'll buy it for you. 0:15:55.280 --> 0:15:59.040 And she did it anyway and without him even realizing it. 0:15:59.080 --> 0:16:02.040 And when she got in the car, she was giggling 0:16:02.040 --> 0:16:05.280 and showed him how she took a five dollar box 0:16:05.360 --> 0:16:08.560 of perfume and replaced it with a fifty dollar box 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:11.760 of perfume or something along those lines. And it's just something, 0:16:12.160 --> 0:16:15.240 but yeah, I could see that in a heartbeat. Yeah, 0:16:16.560 --> 0:16:20.320 so Audrey, I know she did admit that there were 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:22.280 a lot of fun times that she had with Rachel 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:24.640 and Dan. They were sort of a threesome for for 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:27.040 a good period of time. But I guess once they 0:16:27.080 --> 0:16:30.880 started getting pretty heavily involved in the drugs, that's that's 0:16:30.920 --> 0:16:34.360 when she wanted out. Yeah, that's correct, that's what. And 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:37.320 and that same night that Audrey was telling about the 0:16:37.360 --> 0:16:39.320 stealing and this, and that she had also told me 0:16:39.320 --> 0:16:42.080 that they were using drugs and there was a lot 0:16:42.120 --> 0:16:44.280 of it. And at that point, I think Audrey had 0:16:44.320 --> 0:16:48.720 had just enough and no longer wanted to be associated 0:16:48.800 --> 0:16:52.920 with them. And I know that she was. She pulled 0:16:52.920 --> 0:16:55.000 out of the wedding, right it was it was weeks 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:58.160 before the murder. But yeah, so she had pulled out 0:16:58.160 --> 0:17:01.080 of the wedding. Yes, that is correct. And that same 0:17:01.200 --> 0:17:04.960 night we were talking and we were kind of talking 0:17:04.960 --> 0:17:08.680 about how cold and calculating Rachel was, and I think 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:10.720 all all three of us, oh, I'm sorry, I had 0:17:10.760 --> 0:17:14.119 another friend at the house. Um, all three of us 0:17:14.160 --> 0:17:19.160 had said that, Um, we would not be surprised if 0:17:19.160 --> 0:17:22.560 in a few years we saw Rachel on the news 0:17:23.160 --> 0:17:26.840 for like murdering you know, her husband to get insurance money. 0:17:26.880 --> 0:17:29.359 Like I think that was exactly the words we used, 0:17:29.600 --> 0:17:31.639 and we wouldn't be surprised if we saw that. We 0:17:31.680 --> 0:17:34.240 know what's going to happen. But the thing is, I mean, 0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:37.080 two weeks later, I saw that Dan was on the 0:17:37.080 --> 0:17:41.280 news for being arrested for a double homicide. Wow, you 0:17:41.320 --> 0:17:45.440 guys had that premonition just a few weeks before the murders, 0:17:46.880 --> 0:17:50.240 We sure did. I mean, did you guys just call 0:17:50.320 --> 0:17:53.280 each other instantly? And that was a bit freaked you 0:17:53.359 --> 0:17:58.560 all out? Yeah? Well, I I for yes, I was 0:17:58.840 --> 0:18:02.160 um that I was at work and we had a 0:18:02.160 --> 0:18:05.159 TV in the break room, and at that point I 0:18:05.240 --> 0:18:07.639 had I had gone to high school with Julie, so 0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:11.960 I knew, I knew she had died. But when we 0:18:12.080 --> 0:18:15.600 had heard of her death, I think we kind of 0:18:15.600 --> 0:18:19.119 were under the assumption that it was Sam that had 0:18:19.240 --> 0:18:22.800 killed her. And um, so I was already like kind 0:18:22.840 --> 0:18:24.920 of upset about that. But I was at work and 0:18:25.040 --> 0:18:26.480 I was on my lunch break, and all of a 0:18:26.520 --> 0:18:30.040 sudden it broke that Daniel Wosniac had been arrested for 0:18:30.080 --> 0:18:33.639 the murders of Julie Kie Bluishi and Sam Air, And 0:18:34.760 --> 0:18:38.040 I mean, I guessed I started crying because at that 0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:41.520 time I wasn't on Facebook, and I had no idea 0:18:42.119 --> 0:18:47.320 that Julie knew Rachel. I had no idea. Did you 0:18:47.359 --> 0:18:51.719 think at that moment that Rachel was involved as well? Immediately? 0:18:51.840 --> 0:18:53.880 I mean I looked at the TV and I saw 0:18:53.960 --> 0:18:57.439 his face, his mug shot, and I went, this is Rachel, 0:18:57.840 --> 0:19:01.320 because literally two weeks prior, we were just saying we 0:19:01.320 --> 0:19:04.720 wouldn't be surprised if we saw her on the news. Now, 0:19:04.760 --> 0:19:07.520 it didn't happen to be her. But I knew I said, 0:19:07.560 --> 0:19:11.280 that did not happen. Just it was not just a coincidence. 0:19:12.359 --> 0:19:14.760 There's a reason why we were just talking about this. 0:19:14.840 --> 0:19:17.399 There was a reason why Audrey dropped out of the wedding. 0:19:18.080 --> 0:19:23.320 I knew that she was capable of being involved in 0:19:23.400 --> 0:19:30.160 something that horrific. So it made you think that while 0:19:30.200 --> 0:19:32.280 you might not have known Dan very well at all, 0:19:32.800 --> 0:19:38.880 that he just didn't kill alone. Yeah. I mean, I 0:19:38.920 --> 0:19:40.800 wasn't talking to her at this point, so I have 0:19:41.320 --> 0:19:43.600 no way of knowing for sure, But if I had 0:19:43.640 --> 0:19:47.200 to guess, I would definitely say that she was involved 0:19:47.200 --> 0:19:50.840 in the planning. I would definitely say, knowing that how 0:19:51.080 --> 0:19:53.480 I had seen her try to manipulate other people in 0:19:53.560 --> 0:19:57.520 the past, that it would not surprise me at all. 0:19:57.880 --> 0:20:01.760 If she was a dry even factor in pushing him 0:20:01.800 --> 0:20:04.320 to do this or collaborating with him to do this. 0:20:04.440 --> 0:20:07.520 I don't know she actually physically did it. I don't 0:20:07.520 --> 0:20:10.040 know if I could see that, but I could definitely 0:20:10.160 --> 0:20:14.880 see her being behind the planning. Did you know Dan? 0:20:16.640 --> 0:20:20.000 I did not know Dan. I think I met him once. Um, 0:20:20.040 --> 0:20:23.639 I've never had a conversation with him. I UM. I 0:20:23.840 --> 0:20:27.520 got creeped out by Rachel very very fast. So I 0:20:27.520 --> 0:20:31.280 would say during the rehearsal process of Antigny was the 0:20:31.320 --> 0:20:33.679 extent of our friendship. Once that ended, I kept my 0:20:33.720 --> 0:20:36.800 distance because I thought she was very strange. Did you 0:20:36.840 --> 0:20:39.960 ask Audrey what she thought of Dan? Because she was 0:20:40.040 --> 0:20:46.120 close with both of them, so I probably did. And 0:20:46.160 --> 0:20:49.680 I'm trying to think I remember, like, since I didn't 0:20:49.720 --> 0:20:51.840 know Dan, I didn't really warn her about Dan. I 0:20:51.880 --> 0:20:54.320 just kind of always pushed Rachel like you might want 0:20:54.320 --> 0:20:56.919 to just stay away, um, but you know, she was 0:20:56.920 --> 0:20:58.760 in the wedding, so I kind of just let it 0:20:58.800 --> 0:21:02.920 be as far as Dan goes. I mean, I don't 0:21:03.000 --> 0:21:06.360 really remember her saying much other than that they had 0:21:06.359 --> 0:21:09.439 a pretty volatile relationship, but they would fight and have 0:21:09.560 --> 0:21:14.399 these crazy epic arguments. And at that point when she 0:21:14.480 --> 0:21:16.920 had come to me, that was like the first time 0:21:16.960 --> 0:21:19.840 I had been hearing about Dan. And she told me 0:21:19.920 --> 0:21:23.439 he was using drugs of Rachel And that's kind of 0:21:23.480 --> 0:21:27.080 the extent that I knew about Dan. Now, you said 0:21:27.160 --> 0:21:31.600 you went to school with Julie, you went to Osha, 0:21:32.080 --> 0:21:36.960 I did, And did you know her very well? We 0:21:36.960 --> 0:21:39.960 were more acquaintances. I wasn't a very close friend, but 0:21:40.000 --> 0:21:43.040 I was definitely somebody that would say hello, um. But 0:21:43.240 --> 0:21:46.760 I think my high school in general, we were very 0:21:46.760 --> 0:21:50.760 tight enkit. It was a small class, so everybody kind 0:21:50.760 --> 0:21:54.840 of knew everybody. So yeah, so I wasn't a good friend. 0:21:54.880 --> 0:21:57.480 I didn't know her on a very deep intimate level, 0:21:57.560 --> 0:22:01.480 but I knew her enough to be areas that what 0:22:01.600 --> 0:22:05.040 had happened to her. So there was some sort of 0:22:05.080 --> 0:22:08.600 a reunion as well as an event, a memorial event 0:22:09.200 --> 0:22:13.400 on behalf of Julie. Well, I did go to Julie's 0:22:13.560 --> 0:22:19.479 memorial at the high school reunion. We did have June 0:22:20.200 --> 0:22:23.399 and her husband there and we as a class, the 0:22:23.400 --> 0:22:27.680 class of two thousand five donated money to have a 0:22:27.680 --> 0:22:31.480 plaque for Julie put on Symphony Hall we didn't go 0:22:31.800 --> 0:22:33.800 Symphony Hall so like that. Where the reunion was was 0:22:33.880 --> 0:22:38.000 right across the street from the actual high school. But 0:22:38.080 --> 0:22:41.359 what we did do was we brought June up and 0:22:41.400 --> 0:22:44.880 they presented her with I think two of the girls 0:22:44.880 --> 0:22:48.280 in my class. They made some sort of quilt and 0:22:48.320 --> 0:22:52.120 then we gave Julie a moment of silence. And that's 0:22:52.119 --> 0:22:55.000 what we did for them as part of our reunion. 0:22:56.119 --> 0:22:59.199 That's really sweet. I know that you can't find a 0:22:59.240 --> 0:23:03.359 person that has a bad thing to say about Julie, No, 0:23:04.160 --> 0:23:07.040 not at all. And the fact that she was murdered 0:23:07.440 --> 0:23:16.800 helping a friend, it's really just so heartbreaking. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, 0:23:17.160 --> 0:23:19.600 So you listen to some of the phone calls, right 0:23:19.640 --> 0:23:22.400 the jail I called him the jailhouse calls between Dan 0:23:22.920 --> 0:23:29.200 and Rachel, And I know that you have certain opinions 0:23:29.280 --> 0:23:32.200 about some of the things you heard her say, specifically 0:23:32.760 --> 0:23:35.879 when she says we don't need money, we need to 0:23:35.960 --> 0:23:44.359 be good people. Yeah, that that felt like first practice. 0:23:46.640 --> 0:23:55.040 Excuse mean, what I'm about to say, bullshit ingenuous? Um, 0:23:55.080 --> 0:23:59.199 I just I was blown away. So she knew she 0:23:59.280 --> 0:24:01.639 was being record it and she wanted to present herself 0:24:01.640 --> 0:24:07.200 in a certain way. Absolutely, Oh, Absolutely, I don't doubt 0:24:07.240 --> 0:24:11.000 that at all. Do you think she hid behind her 0:24:11.040 --> 0:24:14.639 faith like she used faith as protection when she was 0:24:14.680 --> 0:24:20.240 getting into trouble. Absolutely. When I knew her, I felt 0:24:20.359 --> 0:24:26.520 that she kind of had a negative view of Christianity. 0:24:26.560 --> 0:24:29.360 I believe her family was was very Christian and they 0:24:29.359 --> 0:24:34.840 were strict, and my impression was that she was looking 0:24:34.880 --> 0:24:40.000 to rebel against that. So I remember when when she 0:24:40.040 --> 0:24:42.600 had gotten arrested, and I think when they raised the 0:24:42.600 --> 0:24:45.320 bail to get her out and she made a statement 0:24:45.400 --> 0:24:47.679 and she said something to the effective, well, all I 0:24:47.800 --> 0:24:52.479 have is my God. And I felt that that was 0:24:52.920 --> 0:24:57.480 just an x all of a sudden, she's become holier 0:24:57.520 --> 0:25:00.920 than thou and saying things like, oh, well, we don't 0:25:00.920 --> 0:25:04.120 need money, we need to be good people. Yet Audrey 0:25:04.200 --> 0:25:07.439 was just saying how she steals and does drugs. I mean, 0:25:07.480 --> 0:25:11.400 that just doesn't sound like somebody close to their faith, right. 0:25:12.160 --> 0:25:16.239 Just none of it was the Rachel you knew now now. 0:25:16.400 --> 0:25:20.160 She was never that good of an actress. Did Kyle 0:25:20.280 --> 0:25:26.320 share with you his feelings about his ex girlfriend? Um? Yeah, 0:25:26.520 --> 0:25:29.239 I want to say my friend Megan and I were 0:25:29.880 --> 0:25:31.800 kind of close to him when he was going out 0:25:31.840 --> 0:25:36.160