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Speaker 1: Out of the blue, we were talking about mydea and
Speaker 1: she just went, if you could get away with killing someone,
Speaker 1: would you kill them? And I know, I was kind
Speaker 1: of like a taken back. I thought it was an
Speaker 1: odd question and I just answered no, and she said,
Speaker 1: I would welcome to sleuth. I'm Linda Sawyer. Next up,
Speaker 1: we welcome Christen Burgo Moscow now Kristen Crane, who knew
Speaker 1: Rachel Buffett during their time together as students attending Long
Speaker 1: Beach Community College's theater department. Kristen's stories about her encounters
Speaker 1: with Rachel our foreboding tales of a future that Kristen
Speaker 1: early predicted for Rachel just two weeks before the murders.
Speaker 1: Hey Kristen, Hi, how are you So? You were a
Speaker 1: witness at Daniel wazni next trial and you shared with
Speaker 1: the court a lot of your observations and experiences with her,
Speaker 1: which pretty much happened during that time you were at
Speaker 1: the Long Beach Community College? Is that correct? Correct? So
Speaker 1: why don't you give us a sense of when you
Speaker 1: first met her, what was the first encounter you had?
Speaker 1: And and uh, take us back to that time. Sure,
Speaker 1: um at the college campus, I was part of the
Speaker 1: theater program, and it was a tight knit community to
Speaker 1: be in. Most of us were friends. But I did
Speaker 1: feel that regarding Rachel there was kind of a divide.
Speaker 1: There were some people that I thought she was really
Speaker 1: and then there were some people that thought she was
Speaker 1: very nice. And I'm the type of person that likes
Speaker 1: to you know, I like to come to conclusions on
Speaker 1: my own, so I gave everyone a fair chance. I
Speaker 1: won't let somebody else's opinion as somebody else kind of
Speaker 1: sway me. So when I first met Rachel, I thought
Speaker 1: she was nice. Different, but I did think she was nice.
Speaker 1: So my initial impression was that she was nice. And
Speaker 1: when I say she was different, it was kind of
Speaker 1: obvious that she was a little bit more sheltered, I
Speaker 1: want to say, than most people at that age, because
Speaker 1: I think abound the time I was start either nineteen
Speaker 1: or I think it was the fall of two thousand
Speaker 1: and six. Said yeah, so then I would have been
Speaker 1: I would have been nineteen. Yeah, so for me and
Speaker 1: my experience of other nineteen year old and then I
Speaker 1: did find out that she had been homeschooled, I attributed
Speaker 1: it to that, like, maybe she's just a little socially
Speaker 1: awkward because she had been homeschooled. Not to attack anybody
Speaker 1: that's been home school When you're that, you just don't
Speaker 1: have you don't have the experiences of being amongst your peers.
Speaker 1: You just don't have that social aspect of your growing education,
Speaker 1: right right? Did you get close with her because you
Speaker 1: were both in the theater department there, So how I
Speaker 1: got to know her better was and I we were
Speaker 1: both cast in a show together. Um, and that was
Speaker 1: Anti Guny. We were in Antigny together. Yeah, we were
Speaker 1: casting a show together. And so I lived in Orange County,
Speaker 1: so it was a far drive for me. So I
Speaker 1: would I would have classes in the morning and afternoon
Speaker 1: and then there would be like a two hour gap
Speaker 1: where between my classes and rehearsals, so I'd kind of
Speaker 1: just be stuck on the campus and a lot of
Speaker 1: times Rachel had the same gap as I did. So
Speaker 1: since we were in the show together, I was just
Speaker 1: kind of like, hey, you want to hang out and
Speaker 1: keep each other company between rehearsals and class So that's
Speaker 1: kind of how I got to know her better. You
Speaker 1: developed a bit of a friendship at the time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would say, yes, So tell us about the conversations
Speaker 1: that you would have with her when it involved you
Speaker 1: on these breaks. I remember the time where we were
Speaker 1: in the car together going to Starbucks. We were on
Speaker 1: a break between class and rehearsal, and we were talking
Speaker 1: about media. Media is a Greek tragedy where a scorned woman, um,
Speaker 1: she ends up to seek revenge on her ex husband, um,
Speaker 1: she actually killed her two children. Since we were talking
Speaker 1: about this Greek tragedy, she had asked me out of
Speaker 1: the blue. We were talking about media, and she just went,
Speaker 1: if you could get away with killing someone, would you
Speaker 1: kill them? And I no. I was kind of like
Speaker 1: a taken back. I thought it was an odd question
Speaker 1: and I just answered and she said I would Wow,
Speaker 1: that must have I mean, how did how did you
Speaker 1: feel at that moment um At that moment, I think
Speaker 1: this was like the beginning of of kind of me
Speaker 1: going all right, there, there's I'm starting. I was starting
Speaker 1: to see how others in my department wanted to keep
Speaker 1: their distance from her. A lot of people would say
Speaker 1: she was crazy, and I wanted to kind of develop
Speaker 1: that opinion on my own before I passed any quick judgments,
Speaker 1: and and that was where I was The wheels in
Speaker 1: my head were starting to turn that maybe she wasn't
Speaker 1: the most say, the best person to spend your time with.
Speaker 1: So she basically said she would like it was just
Speaker 1: so matter of fact that if she was guaranteed she
Speaker 1: could get away with it. Yes, that's what she said.
Speaker 1: From what I've heard from other former friends of hers,
Speaker 1: that there's this sort of selfishness, this sense of the
Speaker 1: attention always has to be on me, similar to almost
Speaker 1: like a Casey Anthony. I definitely had looking back, I
Speaker 1: definitely felt, especially at the time, by the time two
Speaker 1: thousand eight rolled around, I believe like the Casey Anthony
Speaker 1: case had a lot of attention. And I do remember
Speaker 1: making that observation saying the same thing that she reminds
Speaker 1: me of Casey Anthony, so that there was there was
Speaker 1: a soullessness to her. I yes. And there was even
Speaker 1: a professor at the theater department that I mean, and
Speaker 1: this was like a few years before anything had happened,
Speaker 1: and he had I can't remember the exact quote, but
Speaker 1: he said something to that effect that when you look
Speaker 1: into her eyes, there's just white there's no soul there
Speaker 1: and that's stuck with me. And I also do remember
Speaker 1: when we were in rehearsal one day. I don't remember
Speaker 1: what we were talking about. I remember Rachel had said
Speaker 1: something to the effect of I would rather be infamous
Speaker 1: then not known at all. Well, that certainly falls in
Speaker 1: line with what some of her friends at the time
Speaker 1: who were at the press conference when she was released
Speaker 1: from jail, that she was telling some of her friends
Speaker 1: that she was so impressed that she was hearing the
Speaker 1: news about her release and that they were referring to
Speaker 1: her as an actress, and that was what really struck
Speaker 1: her as right. Yeah, yeah, And I do remember uh
Speaker 1: something to that effect, but I think in a different setting,
Speaker 1: I remember there was and I didn't hear this directly
Speaker 1: because by the time everything happened, by the time you know,
Speaker 1: Dan had gotten arrested, I no longer spoke to her,
Speaker 1: but I had mutual friends that spoke to her. I
Speaker 1: had a mutual friend that spoke to a friend of hers,
Speaker 1: and I know that File Ruble had a friend named
Speaker 1: Marissa who was very close to Rachel at that time.
Speaker 1: And when I think, if I'm remembering the story correctly,
Speaker 1: Marissa actually went to the wedding. She didn't realize the
Speaker 1: wedding had been called off, and so she called called
Speaker 1: Rachel to see what was going on. And Rachel's reaction
Speaker 1: to that was, well, google Dan and then call me back.
Speaker 1: So I think, you know, until Marissa looks it up.
Speaker 1: She sees what happened, so she called, you know, Rachel back. She's,
Speaker 1: of course devastated, shocked. And I remember Rachel had said,
Speaker 1: Zamerisa that all the newspapers and all the articles about
Speaker 1: it that referred to her as an actress, and she
Speaker 1: was like, can you believe it, They're calling me an actress?
Speaker 1: Like she was really proud of that, of of that reference.
Speaker 1: Instead of really wanting to cower in shame that you
Speaker 1: involved and attached to this uh person that committed these murders, instead,
Speaker 1: you cite the reference of you being an actress as
Speaker 1: some kind of a glory moment. Yeah. And and at
Speaker 1: that time, because I had already stopped speaking to her
Speaker 1: because I thought she was very strange and quite frankly
Speaker 1: capable of these types of things, I was not surprised
Speaker 1: in the slightest right that she that this would be
Speaker 1: her reaction. I wasn't just sort of disassociated from the
Speaker 1: reality of what the subject matter was and why she
Speaker 1: was in the press in the first place. Exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: There's no remorse, there's no nothing, nothing. I know that
Speaker 1: you were aware of a story about the the Gentleman
Speaker 1: that she sort of outed as a as a gay man.
Speaker 1: Would you share that. I think it was with Andy Pitts. Yes,
Speaker 1: tell us that story, because it really, to me is
Speaker 1: indicative of how how evil she can be, how cruel. Right. Um, Well,
Speaker 1: at at that time, I believe she had some sort
Speaker 1: of secret relationship with Kyle Ruble. And I say it
Speaker 1: was secret because I if I'm remembering this correctly, I
Speaker 1: believe Kyle had a at the time, what had a
Speaker 1: was in a relationship with somebody else and him and
Speaker 1: Rachel had something else going on on the side, and
Speaker 1: there was a party at Andy's house and um, and
Speaker 1: Andy Pitts was a mutual well friend, He was a
Speaker 1: colleague at the school. He was a friend of mine. Yes,
Speaker 1: And I believe at the time, like I think, at
Speaker 1: the time, he was not um. I think he identified
Speaker 1: as a straight man. I am not sure, but Rachel
Speaker 1: had it in her head that he was gay, and
Speaker 1: so there was a party at his house. He slept
Speaker 1: with him, and at the end of it all, Um,
Speaker 1: I believe she said something to him to the effect of, hey,
Speaker 1: she let him know that she was also sleeping with Kyle,
Speaker 1: and it made him feel really awkward. But she also
Speaker 1: said to him, I thought you were gay, and I
Speaker 1: thought this could help you come out. And didn't she
Speaker 1: out him with all the other students. Didn't he leave
Speaker 1: the college for a while? Um, I don't, I don't.
Speaker 1: I know he left, but I think it was because
Speaker 1: he was ready to transfer. I don't think he left
Speaker 1: the house of that. And I remember she was. He
Speaker 1: would tell people that she thought he was gay and
Speaker 1: and this, and that she had slept with him, and
Speaker 1: she kind of made like a joke out of it.
Speaker 1: But I think most people, for everyone I knew, had
Speaker 1: empathy for him, right, and Kyle had not. I met
Speaker 1: with Kyle and he said something to the effect of
Speaker 1: she she came back after sleeping with him and sort
Speaker 1: of shamed him in front of everybody, in front of
Speaker 1: the cast and and basically in essence was outing him.
Speaker 1: Is the feeling he got, Well, I don't, I don't.
Speaker 1: I believe she did, but I think she did it
Speaker 1: in a in a way that was like she wanted
Speaker 1: Kyle to be jealous, and she wanted Kyle to to
Speaker 1: be violent with him in front of people. I think
Speaker 1: that was more if I'm remembering correctly, I remember that
Speaker 1: was kind of a motive as well, like she wanted
Speaker 1: Kyle to go and like beat him up in front
Speaker 1: of everybody, like how dare he bleek with his woman?
Speaker 1: But so she wanted to out him the poor guy
Speaker 1: and have him beat up at the same time, it's
Speaker 1: like all about drama for her. It sounds like yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's yeah, I mean, that's that's really evil.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I mean yeah that this is why I
Speaker 1: felt that I needed to say something. And I know
Speaker 1: that Audrey McVeigh is another friend of hers, or was
Speaker 1: a friend for a while, and I know that you're
Speaker 1: also friends with her. I spent I've spent quite a
Speaker 1: bit of time with Audrey, and she's been so candid
Speaker 1: and forthright as far as her experiences with Rachel. And
Speaker 1: I know that you also know quite a bit about
Speaker 1: how there was this propensity to steal. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: I never experienced that first hand. I heard about it
Speaker 1: through Audrey and and Audrew said it was a regular
Speaker 1: there was sort of a daily lifestyle choice that that
Speaker 1: it was food and clothes and furniture. And the only
Speaker 1: thing that upset Rachel was she couldn't figure out how
Speaker 1: to steal her cigarettes. Yeah, yeah, I remember that. I
Speaker 1: remember Audrey telling me about that. Yes, what fascinated me
Speaker 1: was supposedly she stole her bridesmaid stresses from Burlington co Factory.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, she's such a little thing. How on
Speaker 1: earth did she hide hid those dresses? Yeah, well, I
Speaker 1: remember so. Um about two weeks before um, before I
Speaker 1: want to say that that it had to have been
Speaker 1: May Um, Audrey had come over to my house because
Speaker 1: she wanted to talk to me. I had warned Audrey
Speaker 1: about Rachel. I had warned Audrey to stay away from Rachel,
Speaker 1: but Audrey was going to be a bridesmaid in their wedding,
Speaker 1: and she had called me out of the blue that
Speaker 1: May and said, you know what, I dropped out of
Speaker 1: Rachel's wedding and I'd like to come and talk to
Speaker 1: you about it. And so she had actually come over
Speaker 1: to my apartment at the time, and UM was telling
Speaker 1: me about the ceiling and stuff like that, and I
Speaker 1: don't remember exactly what it was they that Rachel stole
Speaker 1: a Burlington co factory, but I know Audrey and her
Speaker 1: went shopping and Rachel stole things and Audrey didn't know
Speaker 1: what was going on, and Audrey didn't find out until
Speaker 1: after they went back to Rachel's apartment, and Audrey was
Speaker 1: upset because she felt like, well, if you had gotten
Speaker 1: caught ceiling, you could have brought me down with you.
Speaker 1: And I had no idea what you were doing. That's
Speaker 1: a similar story that we had from an ex boyfriend,
Speaker 1: the same thing, Like he gets in the car and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, she starts to laugh because he said,
Speaker 1: you don't have to steal, I'll buy it for you.
Speaker 1: And she did it anyway and without him even realizing it.
Speaker 1: And when she got in the car, she was giggling
Speaker 1: and showed him how she took a five dollar box
Speaker 1: of perfume and replaced it with a fifty dollar box
Speaker 1: of perfume or something along those lines. And it's just something,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I could see that in a heartbeat. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so Audrey, I know she did admit that there were
Speaker 1: a lot of fun times that she had with Rachel
Speaker 1: and Dan. They were sort of a threesome for for
Speaker 1: a good period of time. But I guess once they
Speaker 1: started getting pretty heavily involved in the drugs, that's that's
Speaker 1: when she wanted out. Yeah, that's correct, that's what. And
Speaker 1: and that same night that Audrey was telling about the
Speaker 1: stealing and this, and that she had also told me
Speaker 1: that they were using drugs and there was a lot
Speaker 1: of it. And at that point, I think Audrey had
Speaker 1: had just enough and no longer wanted to be associated
Speaker 1: with them. And I know that she was. She pulled
Speaker 1: out of the wedding, right it was it was weeks
Speaker 1: before the murder. But yeah, so she had pulled out
Speaker 1: of the wedding. Yes, that is correct. And that same
Speaker 1: night we were talking and we were kind of talking
Speaker 1: about how cold and calculating Rachel was, and I think
Speaker 1: all all three of us, oh, I'm sorry, I had
Speaker 1: another friend at the house. Um, all three of us
Speaker 1: had said that, Um, we would not be surprised if
Speaker 1: in a few years we saw Rachel on the news
Speaker 1: for like murdering you know, her husband to get insurance money.
Speaker 1: Like I think that was exactly the words we used,
Speaker 1: and we wouldn't be surprised if we saw that. We
Speaker 1: know what's going to happen. But the thing is, I mean,
Speaker 1: two weeks later, I saw that Dan was on the
Speaker 1: news for being arrested for a double homicide. Wow, you
Speaker 1: guys had that premonition just a few weeks before the murders,
Speaker 1: We sure did. I mean, did you guys just call
Speaker 1: each other instantly? And that was a bit freaked you
Speaker 1: all out? Yeah? Well, I I for yes, I was
Speaker 1: um that I was at work and we had a
Speaker 1: TV in the break room, and at that point I
Speaker 1: had I had gone to high school with Julie, so
Speaker 1: I knew, I knew she had died. But when we
Speaker 1: had heard of her death, I think we kind of
Speaker 1: were under the assumption that it was Sam that had
Speaker 1: killed her. And um, so I was already like kind
Speaker 1: of upset about that. But I was at work and
Speaker 1: I was on my lunch break, and all of a
Speaker 1: sudden it broke that Daniel Wosniac had been arrested for
Speaker 1: the murders of Julie Kie Bluishi and Sam Air, And
Speaker 1: I mean, I guessed I started crying because at that
Speaker 1: time I wasn't on Facebook, and I had no idea
Speaker 1: that Julie knew Rachel. I had no idea. Did you
Speaker 1: think at that moment that Rachel was involved as well? Immediately?
Speaker 1: I mean I looked at the TV and I saw
Speaker 1: his face, his mug shot, and I went, this is Rachel,
Speaker 1: because literally two weeks prior, we were just saying we
Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised if we saw her on the news. Now,
Speaker 1: it didn't happen to be her. But I knew I said,
Speaker 1: that did not happen. Just it was not just a coincidence.
Speaker 1: There's a reason why we were just talking about this.
Speaker 1: There was a reason why Audrey dropped out of the wedding.
Speaker 1: I knew that she was capable of being involved in
Speaker 1: something that horrific. So it made you think that while
Speaker 1: you might not have known Dan very well at all,
Speaker 1: that he just didn't kill alone. Yeah. I mean, I
Speaker 1: wasn't talking to her at this point, so I have
Speaker 1: no way of knowing for sure, But if I had
Speaker 1: to guess, I would definitely say that she was involved
Speaker 1: in the planning. I would definitely say, knowing that how
Speaker 1: I had seen her try to manipulate other people in
Speaker 1: the past, that it would not surprise me at all.
Speaker 1: If she was a dry even factor in pushing him
Speaker 1: to do this or collaborating with him to do this.
Speaker 1: I don't know she actually physically did it. I don't
Speaker 1: know if I could see that, but I could definitely
Speaker 1: see her being behind the planning. Did you know Dan?
Speaker 1: I did not know Dan. I think I met him once. Um,
Speaker 1: I've never had a conversation with him. I UM. I
Speaker 1: got creeped out by Rachel very very fast. So I
Speaker 1: would say during the rehearsal process of Antigny was the
Speaker 1: extent of our friendship. Once that ended, I kept my
Speaker 1: distance because I thought she was very strange. Did you
Speaker 1: ask Audrey what she thought of Dan? Because she was
Speaker 1: close with both of them, so I probably did. And
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think I remember, like, since I didn't
Speaker 1: know Dan, I didn't really warn her about Dan. I
Speaker 1: just kind of always pushed Rachel like you might want
Speaker 1: to just stay away, um, but you know, she was
Speaker 1: in the wedding, so I kind of just let it
Speaker 1: be as far as Dan goes. I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: really remember her saying much other than that they had
Speaker 1: a pretty volatile relationship, but they would fight and have
Speaker 1: these crazy epic arguments. And at that point when she
Speaker 1: had come to me, that was like the first time
Speaker 1: I had been hearing about Dan. And she told me
Speaker 1: he was using drugs of Rachel And that's kind of
Speaker 1: the extent that I knew about Dan. Now, you said
Speaker 1: you went to school with Julie, you went to Osha,
Speaker 1: I did, And did you know her very well? We
Speaker 1: were more acquaintances. I wasn't a very close friend, but
Speaker 1: I was definitely somebody that would say hello, um. But
Speaker 1: I think my high school in general, we were very
Speaker 1: tight enkit. It was a small class, so everybody kind
Speaker 1: of knew everybody. So yeah, so I wasn't a good friend.
Speaker 1: I didn't know her on a very deep intimate level,
Speaker 1: but I knew her enough to be areas that what
Speaker 1: had happened to her. So there was some sort of
Speaker 1: a reunion as well as an event, a memorial event
Speaker 1: on behalf of Julie. Well, I did go to Julie's
Speaker 1: memorial at the high school reunion. We did have June
Speaker 1: and her husband there and we as a class, the
Speaker 1: class of two thousand five donated money to have a
Speaker 1: plaque for Julie put on Symphony Hall we didn't go
Speaker 1: Symphony Hall so like that. Where the reunion was was
Speaker 1: right across the street from the actual high school. But
Speaker 1: what we did do was we brought June up and
Speaker 1: they presented her with I think two of the girls
Speaker 1: in my class. They made some sort of quilt and
Speaker 1: then we gave Julie a moment of silence. And that's
Speaker 1: what we did for them as part of our reunion.
Speaker 1: That's really sweet. I know that you can't find a
Speaker 1: person that has a bad thing to say about Julie, No,
Speaker 1: not at all. And the fact that she was murdered
Speaker 1: helping a friend, it's really just so heartbreaking. Yeah. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: So you listen to some of the phone calls, right
Speaker 1: the jail I called him the jailhouse calls between Dan
Speaker 1: and Rachel, And I know that you have certain opinions
Speaker 1: about some of the things you heard her say, specifically
Speaker 1: when she says we don't need money, we need to
Speaker 1: be good people. Yeah, that that felt like first practice.
Speaker 1: Excuse mean, what I'm about to say, bullshit ingenuous? Um,
Speaker 1: I just I was blown away. So she knew she
Speaker 1: was being record it and she wanted to present herself
Speaker 1: in a certain way. Absolutely, Oh, Absolutely, I don't doubt
Speaker 1: that at all. Do you think she hid behind her
Speaker 1: faith like she used faith as protection when she was
Speaker 1: getting into trouble. Absolutely. When I knew her, I felt
Speaker 1: that she kind of had a negative view of Christianity.
Speaker 1: I believe her family was was very Christian and they
Speaker 1: were strict, and my impression was that she was looking
Speaker 1: to rebel against that. So I remember when when she
Speaker 1: had gotten arrested, and I think when they raised the
Speaker 1: bail to get her out and she made a statement
Speaker 1: and she said something to the effective, well, all I
Speaker 1: have is my God. And I felt that that was
Speaker 1: just an x all of a sudden, she's become holier
Speaker 1: than thou and saying things like, oh, well, we don't
Speaker 1: need money, we need to be good people. Yet Audrey
Speaker 1: was just saying how she steals and does drugs. I mean,
Speaker 1: that just doesn't sound like somebody close to their faith, right.
Speaker 1: Just none of it was the Rachel you knew now now.
Speaker 1: She was never that good of an actress. Did Kyle
Speaker 1: share with you his feelings about his ex girlfriend? Um? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to say my friend Megan and I were
Speaker 1: kind of close to him when he was going out
Speaker 1: with Rachel, and we would continuously tell him to break
Speaker 1: up with her, and he would complain about her, but
Speaker 1: then when it came time to actually like stand up
Speaker 1: for himself, he wouldn't do it. Um. I do remember
Speaker 1: there was a time where he did break up with her,
Speaker 1: and then she she sort of camped out in her
Speaker 1: car and his driveway, and he was kind of he
Speaker 1: was like freaked out. He was afraid to leave. Sounds
Speaker 1: he got himself a stalker. Yeah, yeah, I mean she did.
Speaker 1: When they were together, she did kind of some odd things.
Speaker 1: I mean I remember that, Like she she would like
Speaker 1: hide his car keys and then pretend to be asleep
Speaker 1: so we couldn't get to work physically. Um, she would
Speaker 1: pretend to be sick and tell him that he needs
Speaker 1: to take care of her. I kind of remember those
Speaker 1: things happening, and I think eventually he had gotten he
Speaker 1: got fired, He got fired from Disney because of all
Speaker 1: of those absences and late. He was late a lot
Speaker 1: too because of her. He made a lot because of her. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: she she was. She was something special. We would warn him,
Speaker 1: but and he knew what we were saying was true.
Speaker 1: But I think he I think probably at the time
Speaker 1: you know, being young, he just even afraid to break
Speaker 1: up with her, and like I said, when he did,
Speaker 1: she camped out in her car in front of his house.
Speaker 1: I feel that, I mean, just given from what I've
Speaker 1: heard the detectives say was that they know she was
Speaker 1: more involved than they can prove. And I do find
Speaker 1: it sad that they can't prove more just because I
Speaker 1: personally feel she is dangerous and so I would hope
Speaker 1: that they're able to prove and keep her away from society.
Speaker 1: But if they can't, then at least stands where he
Speaker 1: needs to be. Given that you were a theater major
Speaker 1: at one point in your life, what would you say
Speaker 1: is the the most famous role that you could see
Speaker 1: her playing or or embodying? Rachel Buffett? Oh goodness, if
Speaker 1: they ever do a movie on Casey Anthony great wouldn't
Speaker 1: even have to act. And as far as anything more classic,
Speaker 1: I would say, Hi, Lady Macbeth, well it seems like
Speaker 1: Rachel would fit that part. I just want to say
Speaker 1: how grateful we are, kristin hearing from you today and
Speaker 1: learning so much more about this case through your stories. No,
Speaker 1: I just I want to thank you for kind of
Speaker 1: telling the story of the of our of our victims,
Speaker 1: and I hope that we give them a voice. Well
Speaker 1: that's the intention, and I appreciate you participating because all
Speaker 1: of you, all everybody that is participating in this podcast
Speaker 1: has provided some element, some nugget piece of truth that
Speaker 1: helps fill out the whole picture for our victims family.
Speaker 1: So I thank you so much for coming on Sleuth.
Speaker 1: Thank you Linda. On our next stallment of Sleuth, we
Speaker 1: hear from Daniel fulk Earn, an ordained pastor and longtime
Speaker 1: advisor Daniel Wazniak. Daniel worked for the pastor for many
Speaker 1: years in his appraisal business, all during the time that
Speaker 1: Daniel also dated the pastor's daughter, Emily. Pastor Hulkyard has
Speaker 1: many fond memories of Daniel, who he still to this
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Speaker 1: the pastor's home, leaving his old life behind and driving
Speaker 1: off into the darkness with his future fiance Rachel Buffett
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