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Speaker 1: Please be advised this story contains adult content and graphic language.

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Speaker 1: Out of the blue, we were talking about mydea and

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Speaker 1: she just went, if you could get away with killing someone,

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Speaker 1: would you kill them? And I know, I was kind

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Speaker 1: of like a taken back. I thought it was an

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Speaker 1: odd question and I just answered no, and she said,

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Speaker 1: I would welcome to sleuth. I'm Linda Sawyer. Next up,

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Speaker 1: we welcome Christen Burgo Moscow now Kristen Crane, who knew

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Speaker 1: Rachel Buffett during their time together as students attending Long

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Speaker 1: Beach Community College's theater department. Kristen's stories about her encounters

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Speaker 1: with Rachel our foreboding tales of a future that Kristen

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Speaker 1: early predicted for Rachel just two weeks before the murders.

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Speaker 1: Hey Kristen, Hi, how are you So? You were a

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Speaker 1: witness at Daniel wazni next trial and you shared with

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Speaker 1: the court a lot of your observations and experiences with her,

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Speaker 1: which pretty much happened during that time you were at

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Speaker 1: the Long Beach Community College? Is that correct? Correct? So

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Speaker 1: why don't you give us a sense of when you

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Speaker 1: first met her, what was the first encounter you had?

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Speaker 1: And and uh, take us back to that time. Sure,

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Speaker 1: um at the college campus, I was part of the

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Speaker 1: theater program, and it was a tight knit community to

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Speaker 1: be in. Most of us were friends. But I did

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Speaker 1: feel that regarding Rachel there was kind of a divide.

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Speaker 1: There were some people that I thought she was really

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Speaker 1: and then there were some people that thought she was

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Speaker 1: very nice. And I'm the type of person that likes

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Speaker 1: to you know, I like to come to conclusions on

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Speaker 1: my own, so I gave everyone a fair chance. I

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Speaker 1: won't let somebody else's opinion as somebody else kind of

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Speaker 1: sway me. So when I first met Rachel, I thought

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Speaker 1: she was nice. Different, but I did think she was nice.

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Speaker 1: So my initial impression was that she was nice. And

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Speaker 1: when I say she was different, it was kind of

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Speaker 1: obvious that she was a little bit more sheltered, I

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Speaker 1: want to say, than most people at that age, because

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Speaker 1: I think abound the time I was start either nineteen

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Speaker 1: and six. Said yeah, so then I would have been

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Speaker 1: I would have been nineteen. Yeah, so for me and

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Speaker 1: my experience of other nineteen year old and then I

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Speaker 1: did find out that she had been homeschooled, I attributed

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Speaker 1: it to that, like, maybe she's just a little socially

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Speaker 1: awkward because she had been homeschooled. Not to attack anybody

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Speaker 1: that's been home school When you're that, you just don't

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Speaker 1: have you don't have the experiences of being amongst your peers.

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Speaker 1: You just don't have that social aspect of your growing education,

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Speaker 1: right right? Did you get close with her because you

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Speaker 1: were both in the theater department there, So how I

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Speaker 1: Anti Guny. We were in Antigny together. Yeah, we were

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Speaker 1: casting a show together. And so I lived in Orange County,

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Speaker 1: so it was a far drive for me. So I

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Speaker 1: would I would have classes in the morning and afternoon

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Speaker 1: and then there would be like a two hour gap

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Speaker 1: where between my classes and rehearsals, so I'd kind of

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Speaker 1: times Rachel had the same gap as I did. So

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Speaker 1: since we were in the show together, I was just

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Speaker 1: kind of how I got to know her better. You

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Speaker 1: developed a bit of a friendship at the time. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I would say, yes, So tell us about the conversations

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Speaker 1: on these breaks. I remember the time where we were

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Speaker 1: the blue. We were talking about media, and she just went,

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Speaker 1: feel at that moment um At that moment, I think

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Speaker 1: So she basically said she would like it was just

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Speaker 1: From what I've heard from other former friends of hers,

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Speaker 1: like a Casey Anthony. I definitely had looking back, I

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Speaker 1: a soullessness to her. I yes. And there was even

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Speaker 1: a professor at the theater department that I mean, and

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Speaker 1: this was like a few years before anything had happened,

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Speaker 1: and that's stuck with me. And I also do remember

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Speaker 1: something to the effect of I would rather be infamous

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Speaker 1: then not known at all. Well, that certainly falls in

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Speaker 1: her as an actress, and that was what really struck

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Speaker 1: something to that effect, but I think in a different setting,

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Speaker 1: but I had mutual friends that spoke to her. I

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Speaker 1: had a mutual friend that spoke to a friend of hers,

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Speaker 1: Marissa who was very close to Rachel at that time.

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Speaker 1: And when I think, if I'm remembering the story correctly,

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Speaker 1: Rachel to see what was going on. And Rachel's reaction

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Speaker 1: to that was, well, google Dan and then call me back.

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Speaker 1: So I think, you know, until Marissa looks it up.

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Speaker 1: She sees what happened, so she called, you know, Rachel back. She's,

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Speaker 1: of course devastated, shocked. And I remember Rachel had said,

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Speaker 1: it that referred to her as an actress, and she

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Speaker 1: was like, can you believe it, They're calling me an actress?

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Speaker 1: Like she was really proud of that, of of that reference.

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Speaker 1: Instead of really wanting to cower in shame that you

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Speaker 1: some kind of a glory moment. Yeah. And and at

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Speaker 1: was in the press in the first place. Exactly exactly.

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Speaker 1: There's no remorse, there's no nothing, nothing. I know that

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Speaker 1: that she sort of outed as a as a gay man.

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Speaker 1: tell us that story, because it really, to me is

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Speaker 1: indicative of how how evil she can be, how cruel. Right. Um, Well,

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Speaker 1: at at that time, I believe she had some sort

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Speaker 1: Rachel had something else going on on the side, and

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Speaker 1: there was a party at Andy's house and um, and

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Speaker 1: And I believe at the time, like I think, at

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Speaker 1: But I think most people, for everyone I knew, had

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Speaker 1: be violent with him in front of people. I think

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Speaker 1: But so she wanted to out him the poor guy

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I mean yeah that this is why I

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Speaker 1: that Audrey McVeigh is another friend of hers, or was

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Speaker 1: also friends with her. I spent I've spent quite a

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Speaker 1: how there was this propensity to steal. Yeah, and I

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Speaker 1: her playing or or embodying? Rachel Buffett? Oh goodness, if

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Speaker 1: they ever do a movie on Casey Anthony great wouldn't

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Speaker 1: I would say, Hi, Lady Macbeth, well it seems like

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Speaker 1: Rachel would fit that part. I just want to say

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Speaker 1: how grateful we are, kristin hearing from you today and

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Speaker 1: learning so much more about this case through your stories. No,

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Speaker 1: I just I want to thank you for kind of

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Speaker 1: and I hope that we give them a voice. Well

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Speaker 1: that's the intention, and I appreciate you participating because all

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Speaker 1: of you, all everybody that is participating in this podcast

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Speaker 1: has provided some element, some nugget piece of truth that

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Speaker 1: So I thank you so much for coming on Sleuth.

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Speaker 1: Thank you Linda. On our next stallment of Sleuth, we

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Speaker 1: advisor Daniel Wazniak. Daniel worked for the pastor for many

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Speaker 1: Daniel also dated the pastor's daughter, Emily. Pastor Hulkyard has

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Speaker 1: many fond memories of Daniel, who he still to this

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Speaker 1: day refers to as his son. He recounts to Sleuth, however,

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Speaker 1: the one lasting painful memory he witnessed when Daniel left

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Speaker 1: off into the darkness with his future fiance Rachel Buffett

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