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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome into another edition of Crush City Territory.

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Speaker 1: I'm channing the room along with Tyler Stafford. After the

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Speaker 1: Astros avoid the absolute worst case scenario at T Mobile Park,

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Speaker 1: but again are dealt a pretty devastating injury blow to

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Speaker 1: a lineup that can ill afford it. They see their

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Speaker 1: American League West lead trim to four games, but Tyler,

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Speaker 1: they somehow come out. On Sunday, they fall behind three

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Speaker 1: to nothing against Brian wu who was an All Star

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Speaker 1: last week, who is maybe the Mariner's best starter. Their

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Speaker 1: best starter, Hunter Brown did not have his best stuff.

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Speaker 1: They fall behind three to nothing. They score eleven on

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Speaker 1: answered runs, win eleven to three. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: there's many must win games for a team in first

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Speaker 1: place in July, but if there are, today felt like one.

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Speaker 2: It definitely felt like one in the sense of you're right.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's not must when that the seasons though,

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Speaker 2: but I don't want to get on a plane after

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Speaker 2: getting swept by the Mariners coming off the All Star break,

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Speaker 2: and yeah, you're right, especially with Parades going down with

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Speaker 2: ruptured leg or whatever he's gonna end up having. You know,

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Speaker 2: you had to pull one out, and especially after last

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Speaker 2: night's game of fighting back kind of getting that momentum

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Speaker 2: and then losing again. You kind of lost that game twice.

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Speaker 2: So tough to have a four game sweep in a

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Speaker 2: three game series. But that's what it felt like it

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Speaker 2: would have been if they'd lost today. So good to

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Speaker 2: get one. I do want to point out, remember when

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Speaker 2: you got on here just whining about fans that you know,

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Speaker 2: the Astros drafted Xavier Nine's as the you know, the replacement,

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Speaker 2: and you're like, what are you people? He might be

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Speaker 2: the only healthy infielder in the Astros organization. He might

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Speaker 2: be in Phoenix tomorrow. I mean, who knows at this point.

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Speaker 2: I mean they might need him. He was on the

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Speaker 2: field for VP on Friday.

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Speaker 3: Before they get him out there. What are we doing?

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Speaker 1: He probably could have fit him for a uniform, and

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Speaker 1: he probably could have played a little bit on the

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Speaker 1: left side of the infield today for them because they

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Speaker 1: need it.

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Speaker 2: They sent says ourselves are down, which I was gonna

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Speaker 2: say he could just have his spot and sit on

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Speaker 2: the bench. So I mean, yeah, look they're running out

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Speaker 2: of people. I mean they put in Zach short after

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Speaker 2: determining two hours earlier that he was not healthy enough

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Speaker 2: to play, and then they just ran out a warm

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Speaker 2: bodies and we're like, all right, buddy, get out there

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Speaker 2: and try not to hurt your rib or whatever you

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Speaker 2: said was hurting earlier. Do your best. So who knows, man.

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Speaker 1: He took ninety seven off the ribs on Saturday and

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Speaker 1: then couldn't play in the day game the next day.

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Speaker 1: I'll give Zach short a PA.

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Speaker 3: You know what hand up.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't go to work either if I took ninety seven. No,

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Speaker 2: thank you, So I'm with you on that one, Bud.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely not. Before we get into more about this Marriager series,

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Speaker 1: as soon as you can. But Tyler, so much real quick.

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Speaker 2: I always chuckle at that where it's like win an

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Speaker 2: MLB jersey up to four hundred dollars, and my every

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Speaker 2: time I want to say, what jersey is over four

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Speaker 2: hundred dollars? And then I saw one of my Yankees

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Speaker 2: Twitter friends tweeted, did you see the Ralph Laren Yankees hat?

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Speaker 2: Do you know what I'm talking about? It's just a

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Speaker 2: Yankees hat that'sle and it has the signature Ralph Lauren

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Speaker 2: on the side. Take a guess at what this hat costs.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go at least three hundred.

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Speaker 2: It is four hundred and ninety five dollars and it

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Speaker 2: literally is just a Yankees hat. So anyway, apparently you

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Speaker 2: know you can get to get a jersey with us,

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Speaker 2: and it'll it'll be a little better for you.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna pass on the four hat. You

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Speaker 1: just said you have friends on Yankee Twitter. If you

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Speaker 1: wait there.

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Speaker 2: Brother, Do I look like a guy that turns down

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Speaker 2: a friend. Look, if you're nice to me on the internet,

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Speaker 2: I am nice back. That's that's that's all I got

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Speaker 2: in me. What do you want from me?

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Speaker 1: You've got a friend. You've got a friend in Tyler.

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Speaker 1: Tyler to Taylor Swift, Bro, is that what you were doing? No,

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Speaker 1: that's nice to have a friend that that you belong

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Speaker 1: with me. That's not good a friend. You've got a

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Speaker 3: A toy story. Of course, big at our house?

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Speaker 1: You belong with me? Is Taylor?

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Speaker 3: Thank you?

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Speaker 1: Just trying to just trying to keep you educated. There. So,

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Speaker 1: I was sitting at a Houston watering hole on Saturday,

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Speaker 1: was one of those three guys that was Esak Paratus,

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Speaker 1: They're they're calling in a right hamstring strain. He is

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Speaker 1: back in Houston as we speak, getting further imaging. I

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Speaker 1: on Monday we'll have a more concrete timeline severity how

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Speaker 1: long he'll be out, You would you would think we'd

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Speaker 1: And this does not look like his previous injury where

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, with the astros, anytime you don't get

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Speaker 2: the like, oh, we'll just let him sit on the

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Speaker 2: that they immediately put him on the il, that's not good.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you've ever smoked a brisket before,

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Speaker 2: but I'm assuming that the inside of his leg right

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Speaker 3: I guess we'll have to wait for I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Can you do imaging on hamstrings? We'll find out in

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Speaker 2: three to four days, I'm sure. But yeah, that did

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Speaker 2: not look good. And again they don't. It's funny you

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Speaker 2: you know, because they're the superstars, but you because the

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Speaker 2: Astros have three major league players in their lineup currently,

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Speaker 2: and if one of them goes down, you have to

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Speaker 2: gonna happen, but it cannot be good.

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Speaker 1: Estoc Paratus is the sixteenth Astro that is currently on

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Speaker 1: the injured list. That's the most in baseball. Of those

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Speaker 1: sixteen players on the injured list, five of them were

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Speaker 1: in the Astros opening day lineup. Cool Brendan Rodgers, Jake Myers,

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Speaker 1: did you just see that collision, Brendan, That that was rough?

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Speaker 1: Holy hell, that looked like a target, that looked like

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Speaker 1: not imagine Brendan Rodgers will be back anytime soon. Well,

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Speaker 1: they moved him to the sixty year, right, Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: that that's a paper move. They needed a forty man

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Speaker 3: Oh, because it retroactive.

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Speaker 1: It's all retroactive. Yeah. So like anytime you see a

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Speaker 1: the sixty e DL parentheses. He can still be activated tomorrow,

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Speaker 1: Like it is a it's a paper move to open

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Speaker 1: You knew that was coming. But I think the Paradus

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Speaker 1: They've lost everything, but they've lost seven other past nine games,

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Speaker 1: this is not a representative lineup that can run out

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Speaker 1: the Astros are averaging four point six to seven runs

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Speaker 1: So for a span of about sixty eight eight games,

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Speaker 1: this has been an above average offense run production wise,

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Speaker 1: without Your and Albres in the lineup, Jeremy Pania fractured

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Speaker 1: his rib on June twenty seventh. In that span, in

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Speaker 1: all the games since June twenty seventh, the Ashlers are

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Speaker 1: averaging five point three runs per game. Now that number

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Speaker 1: run outburst against the Dodgers is in that number, and

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Speaker 1: today's eleven run outburst in Seattle is in that number.

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Speaker 1: Take those two games out and it's four point one

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Speaker 1: to three runs per game, which is below league average,

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Speaker 1: But that is with the pitching staff that the Astros

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Speaker 1: two runs per game, that should be enough, especially with

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Speaker 1: this lineup with the names that are in it. The

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Speaker 1: problem is the Ashers pitching staff has really started a

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Speaker 1: have a four point five to two ERA. Is a team.

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Speaker 3: They shouldn't have been, Like.

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Speaker 3: You gotta go get somebody.

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Speaker 2: You're you're not about to feel confident with the team

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Speaker 1: Like I just rattled off what they've done in Alvarez's

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Speaker 2: You know, I mean, you can't rely on those guys.

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Speaker 2: most of those games they're using both a brad you

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Speaker 2: I think a little more you know favorably than you

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Speaker 3: You know that. That's just how it works.

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Speaker 2: Even with your Don's like constant setbacks, it's still like,

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: It's not like a devastating thing. But look, I all

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they need a they need that. They need a

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Speaker 1: And I think Saturday's game accentuated why, Like they tried

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Speaker 1: a They need either Caleb Ort to continue that progression

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Speaker 1: you pay me, I'll say, Okay, believe me, clip that

433
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Speaker 1: and no, if you pay me, I will say anything

434
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Speaker 1: you mentioned Saturday gave you an idea for a right

435
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Speaker 1: handed leverage reliever. It's the conversations around Lance mccullors are

436
00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,800
Speaker 1: about to get pretty I don't want to say awkward.

437
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Speaker 1: I don't think awkward is the right word. I just

438
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Speaker 1: think they're going to have to have They're gonna have

439
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:06,359
Speaker 1: to have some pretty hard conversations with him upcoming, because again,

440
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:11,639
Speaker 1: another another outing that just he did not give the

441
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Speaker 1: team a chance, and he put the bullpen in a

442
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:19,119
Speaker 1: very bad spot. He got eight outs, allowed four earned runs,

443
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 1: gave up five hits, walked three guys. He has now

444
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Speaker 1: made eleven starts this year, and he has failed to

445
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Speaker 1: finish six innings in I believe that is, if I'm

446
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 1: doing my math right. He has failed to finish six

447
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Speaker 1: innings and eight of his eleven starts this year.

448
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Speaker 2: Yeah, everybody see the vision with me. Remember in the

449
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:43,120
Speaker 2: first inning where he came in through twelve pitches, got

450
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Speaker 2: three outs of the top of the lineup, and you're like,

451
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Speaker 2: way to go. Imagine if that's the eighth inning, right, Like,

452
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:53,119
Speaker 2: he can do it. We've seen him do that, you know.

453
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:57,120
Speaker 2: And again with I saw a lot of people on

454
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Speaker 2: the internet going like, well, you can't move a guy

455
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 2: from a starter to reliever when they have bad control. Brother,

456
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:06,919
Speaker 2: that's why everyone is in the bullpen. They don't have

457
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 2: control over a consistent amount of time, and you just

458
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,679
Speaker 2: don't notice it because the days that they come out

459
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 2: and they don't have control, they give up one or

460
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 2: two runs over an inning and you forget about it.

461
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 2: And they come back two days later and they look fine.

462
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:24,440
Speaker 2: Lance has shown the ability to come in and have it,

463
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Speaker 2: you know, but then lose it over the course of

464
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Speaker 2: a game. And the honest truth is that he's I mean,

465
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Speaker 2: he just has not shown that he's capable of starting.

466
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Speaker 2: Whether it's because he's coming back from injury or you know,

467
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Speaker 2: the you know, lack of control.

468
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Speaker 3: Whatever.

469
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Speaker 2: I'm not saying that he is not a starting pitcher

470
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Speaker 2: forever or that he can't do it, because again, five

471
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Speaker 2: days from now he can come out and do what

472
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Speaker 2: he did against the Dodgers, right like, those things happen.

473
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Speaker 2: But I'm saying from a roster construction standpoint, the thing

474
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Speaker 2: that you can rely on more frequently from him is

475
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Speaker 2: to come out and get a couple outs, and that's

476
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Speaker 2: what the team needs right now. They just they can't

477
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 2: continue flipping a coin and saying are we getting five

478
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Speaker 2: and two thirds lands today or are we getting two

479
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 2: in a third. You can't go the rest of the

480
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Speaker 2: season like that. And until you prove that you can

481
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:28,439
Speaker 2: at least consistently get length and get out, you can't

482
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Speaker 2: be a starter. That's nothing against him, and again that's

483
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Speaker 2: not saying that he can't do it eventually, but we

484
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 2: can't keep doing this every five days.

485
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Speaker 3: You just it can't happen.

486
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Speaker 1: Well, right now, they don't have the choice, well they

487
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Speaker 1: really at this point. They don't. They don't they now

488
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Speaker 1: what I was with the point I'm trying to make

489
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Speaker 1: here is Spencer Raghetti through three innings and Corpus Christy yesterday.

490
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Speaker 1: On Saturday, Christian Hobvier did I believe through three innings?

491
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Speaker 1: On Friday, Luis Garcia pitched as single a fayettevill Today,

492
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Speaker 1: Dana Brown, the asher GM, was on the pregame show

493
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 1: with Robert Ford today insinuated that Araghetty is going to

494
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 1: be the first to come back, then Javier, then Garcia.

495
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 1: It sounds like they're even toying with I think Arigetty's

496
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,160
Speaker 1: gonna make another rehab start, but there may be even

497
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 1: toying with the idea of after that, even if he's

498
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,120
Speaker 1: not fully built up, just bring him to the big

499
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 1: leagues and letting him build up in the big leagues,

500
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Speaker 1: kind of like what the Dodgers are doing with Otani

501
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 1: right now, but not not near to that level. Or

502
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Speaker 1: it's gonna be one inning and then two innings, like

503
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Speaker 1: ari Getty will be built up to around sixty sixty

504
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 1: five pitches and they can build him up the rest

505
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Speaker 1: of the way in the big leagues.

506
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Speaker 2: The four inning sounds great from a starter, so go

507
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Speaker 2: for it.

508
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Speaker 1: The conversations are with Lance mccullors are going to get

509
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 1: more difficult when those guys are ready to come back,

510
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Speaker 1: and I don't want to. I don't want to lose

511
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Speaker 1: sight of the fact that Lance is trying to do

512
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Speaker 1: something that I don't want to. I don't think it's unprecedented,

513
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,479
Speaker 1: but there are very there are very few guys that

514
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 1: miss nine hundred and fifteen days and then come back

515
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,159
Speaker 1: and pitch in the big leagues. Like. This is not

516
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 1: easy what he's trying to do. He is his entire

517
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 1: right arm has been reconstructed more times over than then

518
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 1: we care to count. Like he is a completely different

519
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,360
Speaker 1: pitcher with a completely different arm now than the one

520
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,400
Speaker 1: you saw in twenty seventeen and twenty eighteen. I don't

521
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 1: want to lose sight of how hard it is to

522
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 1: do what he is doing. But when these guys are

523
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 1: ready to come back, we just talked about if it

524
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 1: is a merit performance basing, like Brandon Walter has a

525
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 1: spot in this rotation no matter what. When these guys

526
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 1: come back, Colton Gordon has pitched, Okay, he's been fine.

527
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 1: Sometimes sometimes he hasn't. Ryan Gusto kind of in the

528
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 1: same boat. You look at those two guys, they do

529
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 1: have options left. They can send those guys back down,

530
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 1: and they probably will send a couple of those guys

531
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Speaker 1: down just to keep them, to send them to sugar Land,

532
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 1: to keep them stretched out, to have them as insurance,

533
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:57,919
Speaker 1: because you can't keep guys stretched out at the big

534
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 1: league level if they're not in your major league rotate.

535
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Speaker 1: So for their development and for the team's overall well being,

536
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 1: they may send those guys down when the other guys

537
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 1: are ready and keep Lance. Lance's roster spot is not

538
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 1: in jeopardy. Don't get me wrong here, but they will

539
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,719
Speaker 1: keep Lance in the rotation in some way. But in

540
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 1: some ways, Tyler, and if I'm completely off on this,

541
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 1: like let me know, this feels a lot like the

542
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 1: conversations that if we had a podcast last year we

543
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,959
Speaker 1: would have been talking about with Justin Verlander in like

544
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 1: September of last year, where it was like, you respected

545
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 1: the absolute hell out of everything the guy did, out

546
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 1: of the career he had had, out of the legend

547
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: and the Hall of Famer he is. Lance certainly doesn't

548
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 1: have those credentials, but the same amount of admiration and

549
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 1: respect that a lot of fans have for Verlander. They

550
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 1: have form of colors for what he has done for

551
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: the city, for the franchise, things like that. But at

552
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 1: the end of the day, it just came down to

553
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 1: the simple fact that he wasn't pitching well. They had

554
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 1: better options than him to pitch, and they acted accordingly.

555
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 1: I wonder if we're going down that same road, or

556
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 1: if we're eventually going to be going down that same

557
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: road with Lance McCullers, maybe in about two or three weeks.

558
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Speaker 2: But you know what, Verlander, like you said, has way

559
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 2: more accolades, way more of a right to say those things.

560
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 2: And at the same time, that's the most confident man

561
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 2: on the planet, right, like he walks into every I.

562
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: Don't know, Lance is probably a close second.

563
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 2: But my point is that there's a difference between confidence

564
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 2: and cockiness.

565
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 3: Right.

566
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Speaker 2: Cockiness is like I can do it despite what has

567
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 2: been shown, and vern Lander had the confidence to say,

568
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 2: I know that I'm better than what I'm doing right now.

569
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Speaker 2: I know that I am an Inner Circle Hall of

570
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 2: Fame player, but I am also self aware enough to

571
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 2: know that I am not helping the team by going

572
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 2: out there and you know, taking these starts. And again

573
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 2: that was that was towards the playoffs, Like this was

574
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 2: having that conversation in July wasn't gonna happen. You were

575
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 2: just going to keep running Verlander out there because you know,

576
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 2: if he had been there. It's my point, this was

577
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 2: a little easier because it was coming up to the

578
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 2: playoffs and there's only so many of starting roles available.

579
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 2: But I mean, we're seeing it like it's not working,

580
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 2: and this team isn't fifteen games up in the division.

581
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 2: You got three months left and you're already starting to

582
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 2: see some regression in the bullpen, Like we've talked about

583
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 2: a lot of these guys are at taxed. You just

584
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 2: you can't keep doing this, and it's not from lack

585
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 2: of trying. And like you said, hadn't pitched in a

586
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Speaker 2: thousand days and then to come back as a starter

587
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 2: is already crazy. Like if you took the name away

588
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 2: and said, hey, this guy has been out for nine

589
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 2: hundred days and he's a pitcher, where should we put

590
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 2: him starting rotation of the bullpen? And of course you

591
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 2: would say, let that guy pitch in the bullpen, Like

592
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 2: that's crazy to assume that he's gonna go out and

593
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 2: throw a hundred pitches every five days. And so even

594
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 2: at that level, it makes sense for him to be there.

595
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 2: But you're right, it's a conversation that's going to have

596
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 2: to happen, And honestly, I don't even know. I don't

597
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 2: think it's a conversation. I think it's a conversation internally.

598
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 2: And then it is, here's what's going to happen, because,

599
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 2: like you said, this isn't a Verlander thing where you

600
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 2: can say, hey, we're coming to you. You're justin Verlander, like,

601
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 2: this is not the same situation. Despite what Lance has

602
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 2: done for the Astros, I mean, he's always going to

603
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 2: have that, and it's always going to be I mean,

604
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 2: twenty four straight curveballs will go down in the lore

605
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 2: of Astros fans as high as just about anything that's

606
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 2: ever happened for the Astros. He's always going to have that.

607
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 2: But I just I don't know how much longer they

608
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 2: can do this.

609
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Lance could never throw another pitch. His legacy, his

610
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: legacy in this city, in this franchise is secure, correct,

611
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: could I mean if they want to be like the

612
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: White Sox, they could build him a statute they built

613
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: Jeff the White Sox built Jeff Blumber statue, Like is

614
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: that true? Yeah, he has a statue outside Guaranteed Rate

615
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 1: Field that they has a statue. Yeah, he hit that

616
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: one home run one time.

617
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 2: Remember how does he I would say that every game.

618
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 2: If I were a baseball broadcaster, I would find a

619
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Speaker 2: way to bring that. And did you know that one

620
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 2: of the thirty MLB teams has built a statue of

621
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Speaker 2: me outside?

622
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: Dude, they built a statue for me.

623
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Speaker 2: Yours is really good, especially considering you don't have cable

624
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 2: so you can't be hearing him that often.

625
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 1: I mean I talked to him in person. Okay, yeah,

626
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: look Lance, presuming Lance is still healthy and I have

627
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 1: no reason to believe he's not, and presuming that they

628
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 1: stay in rotation, and he's going to make his next start,

629
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Speaker 1: which again I have no reason to believe Lance won't

630
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: make his next start. It'll be against the A's, a

631
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 1: team that he has had success against this season. He

632
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:03,239
Speaker 1: struck out twelve of them on May twenty eighth at

633
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: dyk And Park. It's a lineup that can be navigated.

634
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 1: It will be interesting to see how he fares in

635
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: that start. It will be at home, where he is

636
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 1: not pitched well all season, But then again, he just

637
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: went on the road and did not pitch well either,

638
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: so I think you can throw out all the splits

639
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 1: all like anything like it's a home problem, it's a

640
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: road like, No, this is a this is an all encompassing.

641
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 2: It's a do I know where my fastball is going today?

642
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 3: Problem? And you know, I don't want to keep harving

643
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 3: on this. But the.

644
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 2: For me, how I assume pitching works which were already

645
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 2: way off of my depth. I have no idea what

646
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 2: I'm talking about. But you hear starting pitchers say it

647
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 2: all the time, like I didn't have it today, but

648
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:48,959
Speaker 2: maybe tomorrow if they had been pitching something clicks and

649
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 2: you have it on that day. But the hard part

650
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 2: about being a starter is you only get one of

651
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 2: those chances every five days. A reliever every day has

652
00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 2: a chance to come in and go like I got

653
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 2: it or I don't today. And you know, the the

654
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:09,320
Speaker 2: curve of when Lance has it or doesn't is real wide,

655
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 2: and you don't know what you're gonna get because, like

656
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,720
Speaker 2: you said, he's struck out twelve guys over six innings

657
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 2: this year. There's not a lot of people on the

658
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 2: planet that can say they have that in them. So

659
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 2: it's clear that Lance can do that. But the truth

660
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 2: is he hasn't pitched in three years. Like you said,

661
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 2: he's got like a inspector gadget arm in there and

662
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 2: things malfunction. And that's not a mark against his character

663
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 2: or his you know, tenacity to come back.

664
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 3: It's none of that.

665
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 2: It's just look, man, you're in your thirties, you haven't

666
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 2: pitched in a long time. Even before that, you had

667
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:54,240
Speaker 2: control issues. Starting may just not be the correct option

668
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 2: right now.

669
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 1: I think we've all come to understand while we're watching

670
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: him pitch that he is a different pitcher. And you're

671
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 1: talking about he don't where, he doesn't know where the

672
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: fastball is going. Like he's barely throwing his fastball anymore.

673
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: He doesn't throw the two seams.

674
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 3: I know why.

675
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:09,919
Speaker 1: He barely throws the two scene. He threw a couple

676
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 1: four scenes against the Marriners for the first time in

677
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: a long time. See he broke up some cutters. But

678
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: so so here here's what he is. He is to

679
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 1: righty's he's slider, change up or change up. Sometimes right

680
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: he's right and right change up can be different, but

681
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 1: he's mainly slider to Riety's curveball change up to lefties.

682
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 1: He threw twenty one sliders against the Mariners, got twelve

683
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: swings and no whiffs. He threw twenty curveballs against the Marriers,

684
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 1: got seven swings and two whiffs. His two primary pitches

685
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 1: is slider. In his curveball, they took nineteen swings and

686
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: whiff twice. He's not missing bats, and he's when he's

687
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 1: unable to miss bats. He's having to be around the

688
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 1: zone because I don't know if he's comfortable coming in

689
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 1: zone a lot, because he's getting he's getting hit on

690
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 1: stuff that's in zone. So teams are pretty much now

691
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: just going to lay off in spin because they probably

692
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 1: realize he can't command the spin in zone, and it's

693
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: that's what's creating the long innings and lance he has

694
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 1: talked about the last couple outings. He has gotten a

695
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 1: lot of two strike counts. He's gotten in a lot

696
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: of two out situations with runners on bas just can't

697
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 1: put guys away. That's part of it. And I think

698
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: the fact that he is getting into so many two

699
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 1: strike counts and that he's getting into advantage counts and

700
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 1: just can't get it done, that just shows that, like again,

701
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: it's still in there. It's just he can't get over

702
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: that hump. And you wonder if he's gonna have enough

703
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 1: time to get over that hump before they have to

704
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: make some pretty drastic decisions, because I would imagine spend

705
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: after listening to Dana Brown today, I would imagine I

706
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 1: would imagine Spencer Ragette's gonna get maybe one more start

707
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 1: at Double A or wherever affiliate they send him, and

708
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: then in the next five days, and then his next

709
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 1: start could be in the big leagues. Christian Xavier probably

710
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,839
Speaker 1: needs a little bit more because he is recovering from

711
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,720
Speaker 1: arm surgery or arm surgery, so he probably is about

712
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: two three weeks away. Luis s Garcia probably a week

713
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 1: behind that. So like you're coming up to like they're

714
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: gonna have to have some pretty interesting conversations and it'll

715
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 1: be fascinating to see where those go.

716
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 2: Do you remember, uh, Ryan Presley, he used to play too.

717
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:19,320
Speaker 2: I just you mentioned a lot of Lancecer Colors throws

718
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,479
Speaker 2: a lot of sliders and curveballs, and I was trying

719
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 2: to think, is there any other reliever that I've watched

720
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 2: get a lot of outs with just sliders and curveballs,

721
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 2: And uh, you know, that's a pretty good track record

722
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 2: that that you can go with. And again, this is

723
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 2: last time we're gonna talk about this, I promise. But

724
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 2: you talked about not getting those whiffs on two strike

725
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:43,720
Speaker 2: counts or you know whatever. If you're only going one inning,

726
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 2: you can throw those a little harder, you can put

727
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 2: a little bit more umph behind it, and that's where

728
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 2: you're gonna generate more whips. That's just gonna happen. When

729
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 2: you don't have to throw a hundred pitches in a

730
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 2: game and you only have to throw fifteen, each one

731
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 2: of those is a little more special. And the special

732
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 2: curves and sliders from Lance mccollors are still some of

733
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 2: the most special ones in baseball. Like that, that is

734
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 2: without a doubt when when that thing is working, it's

735
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 2: amazing to watch. And so you just hope that instead

736
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 2: of trying to stretch that out over a longer period

737
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 2: of time, you can focus in and just get those

738
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 2: good ones from him, you know, every other day.

739
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 1: Because I know how social media and aggregating and things work.

740
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,359
Speaker 1: Everyone's going to listen to this and just come out

741
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 1: of it with all we're talking about is Lances going

742
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 1: to the bullpen not happening. I'm just I'm here to

743
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 1: tell you like that is not happening in the immediate future.

744
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it won't happen. I'm not saying they

745
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 1: won't broach the conversation, but that is not something that

746
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 1: they have discussed. That is not something that I think

747
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,760
Speaker 1: is in the immediate plans. Lance mccullors was pretty admint

748
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: in spring training that he doesn't want to go to

749
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 1: the bullpen that again. And he's not wrong. Like everyone

750
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: thinks that you can just put a starter in the

751
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 1: bullpen and like you can just move guys in and

752
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 1: out of the bullpen whenever you want, Like it is

753
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 1: a completely different game down there. And we've already talked

754
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: about like the trauma he has been through with his

755
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 1: arm and having the like it is not an ideal

756
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 1: situation to put a guy that's had this many surgeries,

757
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: this much stuff done to his elbow, in his arm

758
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,839
Speaker 1: and his flex are tending in the bullpen where there's

759
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 1: a possibility you could have to get him hot and

760
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: then if something happens, you don't use him, and then

761
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: like that is not good for the long term health

762
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 1: of mccullors, who, by the way, like I don't have

763
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:31,320
Speaker 1: to remind everybody, you have a lot of money in

764
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: him and you need to extract Yes, you don't, Jim

765
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: Crane does. You need to extract as much value from

766
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:44,720
Speaker 1: that investment as possible, and that the easiest, most linear

767
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,760
Speaker 1: path to do that may be as a starting pitcher. However,

768
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 1: however tough it's going to be to watch that at

769
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 1: times like this is where I think they want him

770
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 1: to be long term. But again, stranger things have happened.

771
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 1: They could have that conversation, and it could happen. I

772
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 1: don't know, but all I can tell you is, as

773
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 1: of this moment, that is not something that they are

774
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 1: seriously considering. Now. Things can change, but that's not something

775
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 1: right now they're thinking about. Let's talk a little bit

776
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 1: about John Singleton. Why not. It'll be very interesting to

777
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 1: me to see how this new look roster is managed

778
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 1: by Joe A spotted because like saysar Salas are God

779
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 1: bless him, But like I don't really understand why he

780
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,240
Speaker 1: was on this roster for two and a half months.

781
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 1: He's a big vibes guy, loves coffee. Like it's like

782
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 1: I get it, like good guy to have around, good

783
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 1: insurance policy, good clubhouse guy. But like they were playing

784
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:42,839
Speaker 1: with twenty five guys every now.

785
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 2: Un ironically, Orbit touched the field more than him in

786
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:49,240
Speaker 2: the last two months, for sure.

787
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's it's tough. So getting him out and

788
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 1: putting John Singleton on the roster you have a more

789
00:40:56,280 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 1: functional roster. There is a there is There is a

790
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: world in which John Singleton is just the last guy

791
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 1: on the bench who gets summoned to hit against the

792
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 1: leverage right handed reliever lating games. There's that reality. There's

793
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 1: also a world where you look at Jiner Diaz's continued struggles,

794
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: you look at Victor Carrattini, who got three more hits

795
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,720
Speaker 1: today and has an OPS up to seven eighty six,

796
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 1: who has among the healthy position players that are left

797
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,760
Speaker 1: on the Astros roster, Victor Carrattini has the second highest

798
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 1: OPS plus behind as a healthy day. Not a stretch

799
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 1: to say he's been one of their two or three

800
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 1: best hitters all season. Hit third today, yep. And I

801
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 1: know it was in a shorthanded I know it was

802
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 1: in a lineup that Joe A. Spotta was pulling names

803
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 1: out of a hat at that point. But the fact

804
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: that he hit third just demonstrates to you how much

805
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,800
Speaker 1: they value his at back quality, how much. They value

806
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 1: his offense, and I don't think they're going to cut

807
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 1: his playing time. So with Singleton now on the roster,

808
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 1: they can do it a couple different ways. They can

809
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: make a more even distribution to the catching playing time

810
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: between Victor Carrottini and yin Or Diez. That would allow

811
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 1: John Singleton to dh That would allow you know, him

812
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: and Kartini to be in the lineup together, and gasp,

813
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,240
Speaker 1: they'd have two left handed hitters in the same lineup,

814
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 1: Like when's the last time that happened. They could do that.

815
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 1: They could Christian Walker had a better weekend in Seattle.

816
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: A couple played appearances with runners and scoring position. Notwithstanding

817
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 1: hit a massive homer today off Brian Wu had a

818
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: couple hits with Runerson scoring position, I believe in the

819
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 1: Saturday game, So I mean it's turning a corner, and

820
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,439
Speaker 1: I don't think they were ever. I don't think there's

821
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 1: ever a world where they're going to play Victor Carrottini

822
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: a good bit at first, because they value Walker's defense

823
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: so much, and especially with this infield now looking anonymous

824
00:42:55,840 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: and completely like Skeleton Crew, you need someone to kind

825
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 1: of be the stable defensive force and Christian Walker can

826
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: clean up a lot of bad throws. He can clean

827
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: up a lot of bad just everything in the infield.

828
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 1: So I don't envision that playing time method changing. But

829
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,800
Speaker 1: I do wonder if John Singleton's now on the roster

830
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 1: and they want to get him as many at bats

831
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,319
Speaker 1: against right handed pitching as they can, may it come

832
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 1: at the expense of the ironerdeas.

833
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think that's certainly possible. I think

834
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 2: that would have to happen because Singleton is like forcing

835
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 2: his way in with the bat. They're not gonna like

836
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 2: go in with that plan. But I mean, like you said,

837
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 2: even if it's a late inning at bat, Dashers have

838
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 2: seventeen guys somewhere that can play three infield positions in

839
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 2: two outfield positions and can't hit. That's most of the

840
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 2: people on their roster right now.

841
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 3: So you're right.

842
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 2: I think it's just the first time one of those

843
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,839
Speaker 2: guys comes up with runners on in the seventh inning

844
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 2: or later, you pinch hit for that guy, and then

845
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 2: you put one of the other guys that all came

846
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 2: out of the same mold into their position and.

847
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:08,399
Speaker 3: You just go with it from there. I mean, again,

848
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 3: we saw it today.

849
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 2: Zack Short couldn't play two hours ago, and he comes

850
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 2: in and takes over for Zach Short or whoever else.

851
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 2: It's all the same person. Like, you know, they're all

852
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 2: doing the same thing. So you pinch hit for one

853
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 2: of them with Singleton and you put the other one

854
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 2: out there afterwards.

855
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:24,320
Speaker 3: I think that's what we're.

856
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 2: Going to see a whole lot more of where Singleson

857
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 2: is just getting one at bat a game and you're

858
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 2: just moving guys around.

859
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's probably the more. That's probably the

860
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 1: way they're going to do it. But you know, let's

861
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: not like forget John Singleton had like he was an

862
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 1: above average major league hider last season with a representative

863
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,839
Speaker 1: sample size. This is not a guy that has done

864
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 1: nothing like he's he's hitting the triple A again. He

865
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: gives you the perfect kind of at bat that this team.

866
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 1: He's he's going to swing at strikes, he's not going

867
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 1: to swing at balls. If he hits it, it's going

868
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: to go very far and be very loud, and there's

869
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: gonna be a glorious bat flip at the end. He

870
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: can get on base. But I think to begin with

871
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 1: it will be what you just described as they bring in,

872
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: they bring in a leverage right handed reliever in the

873
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 1: seventh or eighth inning, and they have the bottom of

874
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,399
Speaker 1: the order coming up. John Singleton get in there, yeah,

875
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 1: and take a better at bat than whoever's at the

876
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: bottom of the order would take.

877
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 2: He is the He is the Orlando Palmero Memorial seventh

878
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 2: inning pinch hitter. Like that's that's what he's gonna be.

879
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 2: And he's really good at that.

880
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 3: I've said that.

881
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 2: I mean, we've said that all year. It's like, that's

882
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,399
Speaker 2: the guy that you want to come in and take

883
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 2: a good at bat, you know, at the end of

884
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 2: a game. He's he's really good at that.

885
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 3: And yeah, you do.

886
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 2: You don't have to convince me that John Singleton is

887
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 2: a good hitter. I've been around for a while. Uh It,

888
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 2: It's gonna take a lot for me to believe that

889
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 2: John Singleton's not a good hitter. If I'm still here

890
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 2: twelve years later, you know.

891
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:53,399
Speaker 1: I just want to I just want to see one

892
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 1: more batflop. I want to see one more bat in person.

893
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 2: It's coming on a on a single down the line,

894
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:00,120
Speaker 2: don't order.

895
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I want it's coming.

896
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 1: It will a couple of little housekeeping things before we

897
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:09,320
Speaker 1: get out of here. One thing that had been coming

898
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:11,760
Speaker 1: up a lot since the Asher's called up Shae Wickham

899
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: again for the fiftieth time this year. There is a

900
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 1: rule that says you can only option a guy in

901
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 1: season five times, and if you do it on the

902
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 1: fifth time, you have to expose him to waivers and

903
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: they could claimed by another team. There were a lot

904
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: of people that were right. I was one of them.

905
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: I was reading fangrafts and looking at the track transaction

906
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: log and it does show that they have optioned him

907
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 1: four times. They've actually only optioned him three times in

908
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 1: season because the fourth option was his spring training option,

909
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 1: when he got optioned from big league camp down to

910
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,359
Speaker 1: the minor league side. That does not count. I checked

911
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: on that today. That does not count into the end

912
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: season option. So Shae Wickham has only been optioned three times,

913
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 1: which means inevitably, whenever he is optioned again when this

914
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 1: roster becomes fully healthy, that will only be the fourth

915
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 1: time and they will not need to expose him to wait.

916
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 2: So I assume you don't mean it like the playoffs too,

917
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 2: is if they optioned one more time he comes back

918
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 2: in September, you know, before the.

919
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 1: Moment they expanded rosters in so they can keep The

920
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,319
Speaker 1: point is Shay Wickham is not in danger of going

921
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 1: on waivers imminently. Now they could get into a buine

922
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 1: and have to option him again and then they that

923
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 1: could create some some worry, but who knows. But right

924
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 1: now he is fine. He's only been optioned three times

925
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 1: in season. I'm in Phoenix where the Ashers are going

926
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 1: to play the Arizona Diamondbacks, who just absolutely pasted the

927
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 1: Cardinals for three straight games to start the second half.

928
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 1: This is a hot Diamondbacks team that is playing for

929
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,359
Speaker 1: its life right now. This is a desperate Dbacks team

930
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 1: because they're at that point where these next ten games

931
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 1: are going to determine whether they buy or sell at

932
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:48,839
Speaker 1: the deadline. Really whether they sell, I don't think they're

933
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: going to be a massive buyer, but this is you know,

934
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 1: au Heneo Suarez is hitting homers like every other at

935
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,439
Speaker 1: bat right now. He's probably the top trade candidate out there.

936
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 1: The Asher is going to face at Gallon tomorrow, who

937
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 1: is probably up there. He's a rent be a rental starter,

938
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: someone that the Ashers could look into. Merril Kelly will

939
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:10,280
Speaker 1: not pitch in this series, but is a Houston native

940
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 1: who is also a rental starter who when you're looking

941
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 1: when you start to think about who the Ashers could afford,

942
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 1: that certainly makes some sense. So this would be a

943
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 1: fun series just to see, like a team that is

944
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: going to be pushing all the chips in, a team

945
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:26,479
Speaker 1: that needs to win every game between now and July

946
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 1: thirty first to convince its front office to not tear

947
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,799
Speaker 1: them apart and break them up. But they're a hot team.

948
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:37,280
Speaker 1: They can really hit. Their pitching has been suspect all season,

949
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 1: but they'll get Zach Gallen, who is very good but

950
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 1: has bad numbers this year. Brandon Fott will pitch the

951
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 1: last game, and old friend at Water Rodriguez will pitch

952
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 1: the middle game. Remember remember the twenty twenty one ALCS

953
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 1: when he like pissed off Alex Korra by taunting Carlos

954
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: Correa after striking him out. That was a great time.

955
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:57,240
Speaker 3: That was fun.

956
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 1: That was awesome. You name five Diamondbacks aside from like

957
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 1: the four I just named Josh Naylor, Yeah, Carroll Corbyn,

958
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 1: Carroll good player.

959
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 2: That might be about it, I assume at any moment

960
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 2: Christavinski will come out of the bullpen even though he's

961
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 2: not there anymore. I just he's he's got diamondbacks vibes.

962
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 2: Do you remember were you covering the game?

963
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 3: No, because I think this might have even been Maybehinch.

964
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 3: I don't know.

965
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 2: The ash was played in Arizona, and they did like

966
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 2: the reliever swap, so they had a guy come in.

967
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 2: I can't remember who the pitchers were, but basically they

968
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 2: brought in like a lefty and then they put him

969
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 2: out to right field for a batter, and then they

970
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 2: took that guy out and then brought him back in. Yes,

971
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 2: but I think it also messed with I mean it

972
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 2: messed with like the d H two whenever you do that.

973
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 2: I can't remember. I think this might have been like

974
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:03,360
Speaker 2: a bow Porter story. It was a while ago, but uh,

975
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 2: that was a good one, so maybe maybe we'll see

976
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 2: some of that.

977
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: My my favorite Chase Field covering a game at Chase

978
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 1: Field memory was actually on a Lance mccullor's memory. He

979
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 1: was I don't know if you remember this. It was

980
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 1: during it was either during the COVID season or it

981
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 1: was right it was twenty twenty one. I think he

982
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 1: was pitching great, like through three innings, like was unhittable,

983
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 1: and they decided to open the roof mid game and

984
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 1: Lance fell apart. Just there's effectiveness wise, just like the

985
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 1: fourth and fifth in I don't think he finished the

986
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 1: fifth inning, and he was livid after the game that

987
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 1: they decided to open the roof mid game.

988
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 2: And that's too bad, because I wish when when minute

989
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 2: May first opened dyke in or in roun, whatever we

990
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:49,959
Speaker 2: want to call it, when that first opened, they used

991
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 2: to essentially like the fifth inning of every night game,

992
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 2: they would open it and it was the coolest thing ever.

993
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 2: I wish that they would still do that. Obviously, this

994
00:50:59,920 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 2: is why they don't, is that people lose their minds.

995
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 2: But it ruled as like, let me tell you, as

996
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:09,360
Speaker 2: a twelve year old watching baseball inside and then pops

997
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:12,240
Speaker 2: open and it's nighttime out there, that was cool.

998
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:13,839
Speaker 3: I wish. I wish they could still do that.

999
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 1: You have a lot more players very mad if the

1000
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:19,359
Speaker 1: roof just opened in the fence.

1001
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:21,320
Speaker 2: Okay, they don't have the button to control the roof.

1002
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 2: Just keep going out there.

1003
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 1: You tell me, do it. They just it's just a button.

1004
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's got to be just a big like switch

1005
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:29,399
Speaker 2: that Bobby Dynamite as well.

1006
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:30,800
Speaker 1: I'm about to say Bobby Dynamite.

1007
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:33,760
Speaker 2: He jogs over from the train to just the big

1008
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 2: roof button yes no, and then they click that and get.

1009
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 1: The troll yes no BP because and VP. Sometimes they'll

1010
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 1: halfway over, halfway Yeah, shade the field so the guys

1011
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:47,280
Speaker 1: aren't dying, but like they can still get the natural sunlight.

1012
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 2: Let's be creative. Come on, yeah, put that thing at

1013
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 2: seventy percent. I don't care they mess with the other team.

1014
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 1: That's basically what the roof is in Seattle. No, Like,

1015
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 1: that's like a lot, It's like something and a lot

1016
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 1: of people realize, like it is not an in closed stadium,

1017
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,880
Speaker 1: like it's literally basically a tarp. The roof is basically

1018
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:07,320
Speaker 1: a tarp they put over. The sides are still open

1019
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 1: and everything. It's still like an open air stadium. It's cool.

1020
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:12,240
Speaker 1: Maybe they should look into that next.

1021
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 2: Thing if they need a roof button designer, that's what

1022
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 2: I want to do.

1023
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 1: That's you all right, Well, we'll get that on your

1024
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 1: resume and we'll talk about that more next time on

1025
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 1: Crush City Territory. We'll be back to talk about this

1026
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 1: diamondback series, and as the trade deadline draws closer, we

1027
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 1: will talk about what the astros need to do, what

1028
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 1: they should prioritize. I think you guys heard us today

1029
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 1: that pitching should be their foremost priority in the next

1030
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 1: eleven days leading up to the deadline. Until then, you

1031
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 1: can follow me on x at Chandler Underscore Room. We

1032
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:44,360
Speaker 1: can follow Tyler at Tyler see Stafford. Please, as always,

1033
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 1: rate and review us on Apple and Spotify. You can

1034
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 1: subscribe to the YouTube channel so you can get to

1035
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:53,240
Speaker 1: know every time we post a new episode. As always,

1036
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 1: thank you guys for watching. Thanks for the outpouring and

1037
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 1: support and the nice comments, even the bad ones, even

1038
00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:59,839
Speaker 1: the not nice comments are fun to read too. Well.

1039
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 1: We'll take more of the nice ones though. Whenever you

1040
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:03,839
Speaker 1: guys get a chance, we'll be back and we'll talk

1041
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:04,399
Speaker 1: to you guys soon.

1042
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:04,800
Speaker 3: Thanks.

1043
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 2: My buddy Aaron and his son Evan are going to Phoenix.

1044
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 2: Everybody be nice to them. Have fun.

1045
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 1: Bye bye,