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Speaker 1: Hey everybody, and welcome to the Friday, March first edition

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Speaker 1: of Between the Horns. Miles Simmons reporting from Indianapolis, where

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Speaker 1: the brass from the Los Angeles Rams and the thirty

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Speaker 1: one other teams in the NFL have all assembled for

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Speaker 1: the twenty nineteen Scouting Combine. This is really the first

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Speaker 1: NFL event of the twenty nineteen off season, and it's

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Speaker 1: also where we really get to hear from coaches in

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Speaker 1: general managers for the first time since the end of

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Speaker 1: the twenty eighteen season. So for the Rams, that's a

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Speaker 1: shorter time period than most since the team played in

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl fifty three. But on Thursday we got to

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Speaker 1: hear from both Sean McVay and Less Snead as the

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Speaker 1: Rams gets set to scout players on the Friday on

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Speaker 1: field workouts. So we'll start with a couple of bits

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Speaker 1: of news. The first regarding free agency. While it seemed

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Speaker 1: like there were a couple of candidates for it, Less

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Speaker 1: Sneed said on Thursday that the Rams are unlikely to

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Speaker 1: use the franchise tag this soft season. At this point,

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Speaker 1: we don't plan on using it. So again, we've got

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Speaker 1: when is the deadline about? Next week? So we got

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Speaker 1: a few a few days to determine it. Right now,

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Speaker 1: we do definitely do not plan on using it. S

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Speaker 1: Sneed mentioned that franchise tag deadline is not until one

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Speaker 1: pm Pacific next Tuesday, March fifth, so there is still

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Speaker 1: time for the Rams to change their mind and whether

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Speaker 1: or not they're going to use it. But if they

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Speaker 1: do elect to not tag a player, it'll be the

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Speaker 1: first time they've gone that direction since twenty fifteen. In

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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen and twenty seventeen, the Rams used the franchise

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Speaker 1: tag on cornerback Truemain Johnson before he eventually signed with

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Speaker 1: the Jets and free agency last year, and also in

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Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, the team used the franchise tag on safety

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Speaker 1: and Marcus Joiner electing to do that on him over

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Speaker 1: Sammy Watkins. It was interesting hearing both Sneed and mcbaye

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Speaker 1: talk about that decision in retrospect on Thursday, because the

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Speaker 1: Rams really did seem to think that they had a

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Speaker 1: good shot at bringing Watkins back a year ago. At

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Speaker 1: this time. I think, though, that we can all say

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Speaker 1: that things worked out for both parties, with Walkin signing

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Speaker 1: a lucrative deal with Kansas City and then the Rams

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Speaker 1: trading for an extending Brandon Cooks. So that's what Sneak

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Speaker 1: came back to on Thursday when asked if he's anxious

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Speaker 1: to get the so called legal tampering period of free

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Speaker 1: agency underway so that he can really get a gauge

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Speaker 1: for the market of all the Rams pending free agents.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to last year a good example, right, we

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Speaker 1: let sam walk and go test the market. And that's

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Speaker 1: the Actually, that's the best thing about the seventy two

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Speaker 1: hour window because, like I mentioned, the podium everything that

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Speaker 1: day speculation. Here's what the Rams think value is, Here's

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Speaker 1: what the player his rep stink value is. And if

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Speaker 1: you can't agree, I'm sure both sides are probably arguings

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Speaker 1: they're somewhat right. So that send me to our window

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Speaker 1: allows part. There's reality now. So last year with Sammy,

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Speaker 1: his asking price came to steep for us, so we

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Speaker 1: decided to let him move on. And then so how

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Speaker 1: do we react after that? Okay, we've lost Tremaine. Say,

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Speaker 1: if we're disciplined and free agency, we could probably recoup

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Speaker 1: two third rounders. Oh, by the way, though, we did

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Speaker 1: lose a nice offensive weapon. So how are we going

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Speaker 1: to solve that, and then here's what might be available

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Speaker 1: in the draft. And then you go, Okay, we got

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Speaker 1: a really good offense, so do we want to add

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Speaker 1: a proven guy? So we'd still like a young guy,

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Speaker 1: So then you start looking at who might be available.

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Speaker 1: So I think when you do this, you gotta have

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Speaker 1: contingency plans. You got to walk through scenarios and then

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Speaker 1: execute those scenarios. There is another way for the Rams

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Speaker 1: to add players, and that is via trade. We wouldn't

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Speaker 1: be able to talk about those anyway until the new

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Speaker 1: league year, but it has been all quiet on the

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Speaker 1: media reports front when it comes to the La Rams

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Speaker 1: on the trade market. So let's need address that too.

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Speaker 1: Noting that there are many avenues for Los Angeles to

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Speaker 1: improve heading in the next season, we do feel like

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Speaker 1: we're we're jacked about our core. But you again, you

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Speaker 1: nineteen to put the you know, to have the best

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Speaker 1: version on the Rams and saying that you and that

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Speaker 1: can be Like I said, through many of different acquisitions

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Speaker 1: you had free agency. Both UFA and I call it

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Speaker 1: the we call it internally cap cadule these guys who

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Speaker 1: do lose, ah, there's a draft. So I know what

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Speaker 1: you're saying. Right, last year was kind of sexy, But

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Speaker 1: the goal is not necessarily be to be sexy, but

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Speaker 1: it is to keep saying the best version of the

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Speaker 1: nineteen rams on the field. Now for our second piece

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Speaker 1: of news, and it's pretty positive. Head coach Sean mcvigig

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Speaker 1: this update on wide receiver Cooper Cup, who was recovering

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Speaker 1: from the torn ACL suffered in Week ten. Now, we

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Speaker 1: started off by, yes, saying just how good Cooper Cup is,

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Speaker 1: but keep listening because there's good news in there. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Cooper's a great player. I think when you

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Speaker 1: just talk about the things that he was able to

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Speaker 1: provide for our football team, you know that he was

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Speaker 1: so consistent, so versatile in terms of a guy that

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Speaker 1: Obviously in the past game he did an outstanding job.

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Speaker 1: He's a guy that situationally, you know, was a big

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Speaker 1: on third down, so he certainly missed him. He's making

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Speaker 1: great progress. He's one of the most conscientious players that

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Speaker 1: I've ever seen. You know, he's he's already worried about

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Speaker 1: am I going to miss some things in OTA's things

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Speaker 1: like that, But you know, talking to doctor Elatross and

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Speaker 1: Reggie Scott, he's in great shape, you know, and right

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Speaker 1: on pace to be ready to go, especially with training camp.

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Speaker 1: You know, we want to have a long term vision

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Speaker 1: with him, but he's already doing things that I think

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Speaker 1: are probably way ahead of what normally would be the

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Speaker 1: I would just say that it's something that we're going

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Speaker 1: to monitor this offseason, but we fully expect him to

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Speaker 1: pretty good news on Cooper Cup, who is clearly a

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Speaker 1: dynamic playmaker for the Rams. As McVay said, Cup was

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Speaker 1: streamely productive on third down and in the red zone.

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Speaker 1: So to give you some numbers, of his eight red

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Speaker 1: zone catches, three resulted in touchdowns. Eight of Cooper cups

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Speaker 1: despite playing in only eight games, Cups still finished tied

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Speaker 1: for the team lead with six touchdown receptions in the

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Speaker 1: twenty eighteen regular season, so getting him back will be huge,

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Speaker 1: so to shift gears a bit. Running Back Todd Gurley's

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Speaker 1: performance in the ram's last two postseason games has been

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl fifty three, and it was brought up again

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Speaker 1: on Thursday. However, mcvay's answer to the question remained pretty consistent. Yeah, so, really,

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Speaker 1: an excellent job against Dallas, and then I think the

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Speaker 1: And then in the Super Bowl, really, you know, Todd

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Speaker 1: He had a couple great runs to start the second half,

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Speaker 1: specifically this season, you know there's gonna be a toll.

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Speaker 1: It takes on your body. But from a physical and

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Speaker 1: we're excited about how Todd's feeling, you know, moving into

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Speaker 1: both Sean McVay and Less sneed would like to reduce

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Speaker 1: the wear and tear on Todd Gurley's body, just given

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Speaker 1: the sheer amount of carries that he's had only since

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Speaker 1: vision for the sixteen games that you are guaranteed and

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Speaker 1: when you look at really specifically the last two years, Vinnie,

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Speaker 1: you do have, what kind of personnel groups? And then

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Speaker 1: how do we manage those snaps and things of that nature.

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Speaker 1: But every single year provides new challenges. But but to

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Speaker 1: Todd over the long haul. Yeah, that's definitely something we

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Speaker 1: that route, right, you have to have a good let's

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Speaker 1: call it Batman and Robin combination or add another you know,

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Speaker 1: super hero figure into that and figure out how you're

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Speaker 1: like a marathon runner. If you run a lot of marathons,

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