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Speaker 1: tech Stuff from how stuff works dot com. Hello again, everyone,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to tech stuff. My name is Chris Palette

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Speaker 1: and I am the tech editor here at how stuff

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Speaker 1: works dot com. Sitting across from me again as usual,

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Speaker 1: is senior writer Jonathan Strickland. And to all our new listeners,

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Speaker 1: hello for the first time, for the last time, yes, okay,

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Speaker 1: never again. Let's start off with a little listener mail

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Speaker 1: list listener mail poems from Brandon from Iowa City, and

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Speaker 1: Brandon says, I just listened to your show about online

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Speaker 1: productivity and it made me think of another topic. If

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Speaker 1: you haven't done it already, a show about HTML five

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Speaker 1: would be pretty interesting. I have only heard a little

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Speaker 1: I really enjoyed the show, but have two suggestions, so

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Speaker 1: listen up, Chris. Number one, it is most enjoyable when

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Speaker 1: interpret that. However, we like and number two, if I

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Speaker 1: the listener mail, keep up the good work, Brandon, Brandon,

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Speaker 1: Sorry about that, Brandon. Well, Brandon, um, don't worry. I'm

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Speaker 1: doing the calm version of listener mail because as much

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Speaker 1: as I know the people who who love the old

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Speaker 1: everyone else does. So and of course, I mean I

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Speaker 1: can't really blame them. I I yelled first. So HTML five, yes,

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Speaker 1: you know, there almost wasn't an HTML five. In fact,

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Speaker 1: I didn't know that. Let's let's do a little trip

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Speaker 1: able to take a trip that today. Turns out somebody

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Speaker 1: used it to go and mess up the Magna Carta

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Speaker 1: so what HTML. Let's let's from the very beginning we

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Speaker 1: go back to CERN. Yes, yes, CERN. You know CERN's

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Speaker 1: Bass Player Tom Morello, already a keen advocate of affecting

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Speaker 1: the same rage fans who helped make the Christmas One

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Speaker 1: example of an event that only came about as a

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Speaker 1: the end of the podcast. Keep out the good work, guys,

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Speaker 1: cheers Elliott, and uh, yeah, it's a pretty good example.

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Speaker 1: I did right back to Elliott and explained that you

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Speaker 1: know that that kind of started off more as a prank.

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Speaker 1: the pit of something. Um. They were taking the pit

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