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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Ryan Fitzpatrick and you are listening to

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Speaker 1: the e A Podcast with Eric Allen. Take it away. Hey,

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Speaker 1: what's up the e A in studio right now? It's

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Speaker 1: the bye week. Hope you're enjoying a RESTful weekend with

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Speaker 1: friends and family. I'm getting away myself. But before I

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Speaker 1: left Flora Park, I got a chance to speak with

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Speaker 1: Jets GM Mike mccagnant talk about the state of the

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Speaker 1: Green and White with six games remaining in the two

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Speaker 1: thousand sixteen schedule. We covered a lot of topics. You

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Speaker 1: can watch the interview on Jets Flight Plan, which airs

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Speaker 1: eleven thirty CBS New York or New York Jets dot

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Speaker 1: Com as well. But I gotta treat for you here

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Speaker 1: on the e A Podcast because we're gonna give you

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Speaker 1: our conversation and full right now. Well, your team has

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Speaker 1: entered the bye week. Can we get your general overall

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Speaker 1: thoughts where the squad is at this point in the season. Well,

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Speaker 1: I think first and foremost, Um, you know, we're obviously

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Speaker 1: just go with a record three and you know three

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Speaker 1: good about, you know, some of a lot of younger,

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Speaker 1: a lot of our younger players are getting a opportunity

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Speaker 1: play and contribute. Um, you know, we do feel good

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Speaker 1: about that going forward. We obviously are disappointed in the

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Speaker 1: record as I mentioned, Um, and I think you know

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Speaker 1: when you when you look at it. Overall, Um, we

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Speaker 1: feel we are making progress, you know, towards where we

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Speaker 1: Speaking about making progress, you've mentioned what you've done from

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Speaker 1: a youth standpoint, and the roster you constantly obviously evaluate

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Speaker 1: that you have a lot of young players on this team.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about the wide receiver position. You're getting contributions

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Speaker 1: from Robby Anderson, an undrafted free agent from Temple, jay

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Speaker 1: then a seventh round pick in toront Peak from Clemson. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but all three of those guys have done a very

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Speaker 1: find the two college free agents. We have both done

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Speaker 1: then obviously Robby in particular has some real big playability

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Speaker 1: and potential. And then the other part of it is

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Speaker 1: know Devin Smith from a year ago was injured but again,

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Speaker 1: you know, we got a chance to seem a little

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Speaker 1: that first year. But it's a we feel good about

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Speaker 1: our receiver crew over all, and that doesn't take anything

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Speaker 1: away from you know, Brandon Marshall and obviously Quincy and

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Speaker 1: Quincy is another player has done very well for US

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Speaker 1: year this year, This year too, you mentioned Quincy an

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