Speaker 1: Welcome to the It Girl Podcast. I'm here with liv
Speaker 1: my friend Livey Duncan, the gorgeous, stunning Queen New York
Speaker 1: it Girl. So I just want to talk to you
Speaker 1: today about your fashion career and how you got your start.
Speaker 1: Were you always just this super fashionable girlly?
Speaker 2: I love you. I mean it's so funny.
Speaker 3: I try and think back to when it all started
Speaker 3: and when I got into it. I think I've always
Speaker 3: had a true maybe personal style through and through, but
Speaker 3: I mean it's changed over the years. I never thought
Speaker 3: I was going to go into fashion or be in
Speaker 3: the fashion industry. I wanted to. I wanted to go
Speaker 3: into biotech after college, but like I graduated when COVID hit,
Speaker 3: so I called every place I interned at and that
Speaker 3: was all like fashion assays, so like do you need
Speaker 3: part time?
Speaker 2: Do you need anything? Like? I just need work, I
Speaker 2: need to do something.
Speaker 3: And I think that then in that world kind of
Speaker 3: pushed me to get into it more. And then that
Speaker 3: was like the rise of TikTok and stuff. So then
Speaker 3: seeing other people and what they're wearing, it just like
Speaker 3: made me want to kind of go and go out
Speaker 3: of my comfort zone learn more about fashion again.
Speaker 1: What was your first job in fashion?
Speaker 2: I will job job first one. They all kind of mix.
Speaker 3: I think the first one I was at was for
Speaker 3: private designer kazy K, who did a lot of like
Speaker 3: D two C custom clothing but really cool. And then
Speaker 3: I was at Badging Mishika. I worked on the sales
Speaker 3: team and marketing team for them, which was cool because
Speaker 3: I interned for them. I did New York Fashion Week
Speaker 3: with them, like back in the day. It's so crazy
Speaker 3: to think about, like when you're applying to be a
Speaker 3: volunteer during fashion Week and the madness of that on
Speaker 3: that side versus now being on this side, us going
Speaker 3: to shows, but also being in house doing it and
Speaker 3: knowing these like interns are running around. It's just so crazy.
Speaker 1: I always think that every time I go to a
Speaker 1: New York Fashion Weeks show or event, I'm like, my
Speaker 1: hardest with you, interns, the hardest with.
Speaker 2: You, Like you're just getting yelled at, told what to do,
Speaker 2: and you just are terrified.
Speaker 3: You want to do the right thing, and I don't know,
Speaker 3: I just remember being chaos.
Speaker 1: No, it is pure chaos. So now you are a
Speaker 1: creative consultant, will you break down for us like what
Speaker 1: that means and just basically what that is and what
Speaker 1: you do for brands.
Speaker 3: Yes, after badgely working at Badgie Mishka, I went to
Speaker 3: work for a startup called Rodeo.
Speaker 2: Do you remember Rodeo Shot Rodeo. It was kind of
Speaker 2: coming up.
Speaker 1: I completely forgot that you worked there.
Speaker 2: I reached out to you about it.
Speaker 1: Yes we met because you worked there. I was, Yes,
Speaker 1: I completely I thought we met through a girl, but no,
Speaker 1: we met because you worked at Rodeo.
Speaker 2: I completely and I was like probably blowing you up,
Speaker 2: cold calling you and being like please handswer no, not
Speaker 2: too crazy, Okay, you guys. So I was.
Speaker 3: When I was working at Rodeo, I was doing the
Speaker 3: creator outreach and brand outreach, and we were a small team.
Speaker 3: It was a startup, so really it was like handsbur
Speaker 3: in every bucket. We did editorial photo shoots. We connected
Speaker 3: brands to creators in a way that today it's so
Speaker 3: much easier. I feel like with Shot, Mine all these
Speaker 3: other platforms, it's just like you're immediately connected. But then
Speaker 3: we were kind of pitching brands really funky creative collaboration
Speaker 3: ideas for or with different creators, and the creators weren't
Speaker 3: like the influencers so to say, I hate using that word,
Speaker 3: but interior designers travel agents, and it was just like
Speaker 3: a funky it was almost like an agency, now that
Speaker 3: I'm saying that out loud.
Speaker 2: It was so random, but.
Speaker 3: I kind of I spent the year with them and
Speaker 3: then transitioned out because I was getting so many brands
Speaker 3: calling me to help them come on for a project
Speaker 3: and consult with them in some way, whether that was
Speaker 3: a marketing plan or doing an editorial or styling something
Speaker 3: or just building a community around them in like a
Speaker 3: new way. So that is kind of how that started
Speaker 3: and shifted. And now I'm just like a consulting but
Speaker 3: I won't lie.
Speaker 2: I love working with startups, so I keep that kind
Speaker 2: of a joke. Like my nine to five.
Speaker 3: My consulting is working with a lot of different startup
Speaker 3: brands that are not centered even around fashion. So that's doing,
Speaker 3: like I said, marketing strategy, just like new ways for
Speaker 3: them to kind of get their ground and footing, especially
Speaker 3: if they're a European brand or from somewhere else in
Speaker 3: not New Ork. You for like, New York is such
Speaker 3: a hard market to try and tap into. So now
Speaker 3: it's kind of just like a crazy balancing thing of
Speaker 3: like getting to do that and then getting to do
Speaker 3: the creative stuff and editorials. But I love it because
Speaker 3: I like having the business side of stuff. I kind
Speaker 3: of miss that in terms of like corporate world.
Speaker 1: So to say, when a brand hires you as a
Speaker 1: creative consultant, what problem are they trying to solve? Is
Speaker 1: it that breaking into the New York market? Is that
Speaker 1: what you see is like the thing that people are
Speaker 1: coming to you for.
Speaker 3: Yes, sometimes, or I think the way I look at
Speaker 3: it is there's always a creative element to it. For them,
Speaker 3: it is truly like what do we even do if
Speaker 3: we don't have any ad dollars they're about to spend
Speaker 3: on marketing?
Speaker 2: How do we approach that?
Speaker 3: So I'll kind of build out like plan for them,
Speaker 3: and then if I get to and I'm lucky, I
Speaker 3: get to do the fun creative stuff like the editorials.
Speaker 3: Or it's working with like John Hardy for example, who
Speaker 3: I just shot a big thing with for Valentine's Say,
Speaker 3: which was so fun and I have to say it's
Speaker 3: probably my first campaign that I got to truly have
Speaker 3: full creative direction on, which was amazing. But that's different
Speaker 3: where someone will come be like, we have this product
Speaker 3: or this thing we have to launch, we want to
Speaker 3: give it to you.
Speaker 2: You do full creative direction, go crazy. What do you
Speaker 2: think is going to work?
Speaker 3: And then obviously I have to do a little research
Speaker 3: and look at stuff to be like, all right, what's trending,
Speaker 3: what's going to happen, what's going to like grab the
Speaker 3: attention and keep people entertained.
Speaker 2: So that's incredible that answer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's incredible. What do you think is the biggest
Speaker 1: mistake that brands make creatively right now?
Speaker 3: This is such a good question. It's like a big
Speaker 3: thing that people are talking about.
Speaker 1: It is a brand like it is really their marketing
Speaker 1: is make or break right now in a crazy way.
Speaker 1: It literally because everything is so available and it's on
Speaker 1: our phones and it's on our Instagram and it's on
Speaker 1: our TikTok, and it's like, if you're not reaching the
Speaker 1: right people at the right time in the right way,
Speaker 1: people are very tricked to cancel brands and totally done
Speaker 1: with them or ignore them completely. Yeah, what issue do
Speaker 1: you feel like you're just constantly cleaning up?
Speaker 3: It's so hard because of trends like virality is such
Speaker 3: a crazy thing because it's in a moment, But then
Speaker 3: everyone else wants to jump on board and do the
Speaker 3: same thing to get the results. But then I think
Speaker 3: brands also lose that identity when they do so I
Speaker 3: don't know mistakes. I think there are a lot of
Speaker 3: mistakes you can make. I do love when brands do
Speaker 3: crazy out there creative campaigns, like I want you to
Speaker 3: knock my socks off. I want to be so like, wait,
Speaker 3: what the hell just happened? I need to watch this
Speaker 3: fifteen times, digest it and figure out what I just saw.
Speaker 1: I know, I'm extremely unimpressed by the trend following marketing campaigns.
Speaker 1: When I see that on Instagram and I'm like, I've
Speaker 1: seen six brands post this stupid thing to I'm literally like,
Speaker 1: you have no balls. Yeah, this is not fashion, this
Speaker 1: is not high fashion, this is not interesting, this is
Speaker 1: not creative. It just yeah, I think it's really disappointing.
Speaker 3: Like I kind of wish it'll be interesting to see
Speaker 3: the shift in creative direction around brands, because where it
Speaker 3: used to just be the creative director knew what the
Speaker 3: campaigns were, knew the marketing efforts, they had their pulse
Speaker 3: in touch on everything. Now, if we're handing it off
Speaker 3: to people, it's going to be different. Like I'm so
Speaker 3: curious to see like where that.
Speaker 2: Changes over that.
Speaker 1: And I feel like the brands used to tell us
Speaker 1: what's cool, and now the internet tells the brands what's cool.
Speaker 2: I have such a big thing. I have a huge
Speaker 2: draft on my subject. It bothers me I need to talk.
Speaker 1: About I'm like, I the creative director of the fashion
Speaker 1: houses should be telling me what's cool. The girls on
Speaker 1: or not even girls, just the people on Instagram or
Speaker 1: silly TikTok should not be dictating they they try to
Speaker 1: please the community in like an almost embarrassing way. You
Speaker 1: are pandering. Yes, they pander to that audience in such
Speaker 1: a way that it's like where's your creativity, where's your spirit?
Speaker 1: Where's where's your differential? Like what is different about you?
Speaker 1: So correct we're aligned on that well because it used
Speaker 1: to come from in house, like my.
Speaker 3: I feel like it's really tough to say these kind
Speaker 3: of things because I think the old fashion industry had
Speaker 3: so much toxicity within it. But when I say this,
Speaker 3: I don't I'm not referring to that. I kind of
Speaker 3: miss the og editors. Yeah, like the fashion category that
Speaker 3: came with being an editor, because to your point, they
Speaker 3: talked to the brands. The brands were telling us what
Speaker 3: it was, but they were just making it in a
Speaker 3: new way and had a different point of view on
Speaker 3: how to relay it that brands weren't doing.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: It's literally like we're giving a platform.
Speaker 3: Not to say that no one should be posting their
Speaker 3: personal style, but people take personal style and make it
Speaker 3: into a bigger deal than it is.
Speaker 2: And then it's like wait, and.
Speaker 1: Then everything looked the same and everyone was complaining because
Speaker 1: everything looked the same. And I was like, well, that's
Speaker 1: my problem right now, I'm telling brands what to do,
Speaker 1: so they're just all doing the same thing.
Speaker 2: I want to shop, I don't know where to shop
Speaker 2: because everything is everything is identifical, identical, but so much
Speaker 2: money too that I'm like what, I'm not what?
Speaker 1: They're all just the same. At what point do you
Speaker 1: think a brand realized is that they need an outside
Speaker 1: creative perspective And when do you think you come into play.
Speaker 3: Oh that's a great that's a great question. Maybe if
Speaker 3: your numbers, your views are down, analytics wise, do something
Speaker 3: to shake it up.
Speaker 2: It's it's I don't know. It's so hard because also
Speaker 2: our attention.
Speaker 1: Span hm hmmm.
Speaker 2: Like I had this idea that there's like a.
Speaker 3: Twenty four hour expiration on everything we consume. Whereas it
Speaker 3: used to be like we'll talk about fashion week for days, weeks, months, whatever.
Speaker 2: We're all like there's conversation around it.
Speaker 1: The discussion over Couture Fashion Week was over in literally
Speaker 1: a day or two.
Speaker 3: I I yeah, and I was like, I'm not even
Speaker 3: part of that conversation. I have not participating that, yeah, whatsoever.
Speaker 3: So I don't know if there's like a.
Speaker 1: True moment when they bring you in, yeah, like.
Speaker 3: If there's numbers that tell them, or like if I'm
Speaker 3: just trending on someone's feed and then they're like, let's
Speaker 3: do you feel like.
Speaker 1: You being so prominent on social media plays a big
Speaker 1: role in your business.
Speaker 3: In terms of doing the fun creative shoots. Yes, However,
Speaker 3: like nobody knows that I do a nine to five
Speaker 3: or like other things.
Speaker 1: I love that about you, Like, I think that is
Speaker 1: one of the most interesting things about you. I love
Speaker 1: that you're a business girl at the heart of it.
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I need like some difference of it because
Speaker 3: also I get like it's boring.
Speaker 1: Stuck, and yes, it's stagnant and boring.
Speaker 2: And then there's a lot of pressure around it, which
Speaker 2: sometimes I I'll go ghost. I stop talking with my
Speaker 2: hand so much. I'm very tick. Like I'm like, wow,
Speaker 2: i go ghost on social media because.
Speaker 3: I start comparing myself to what other people are doing,
Speaker 3: and then I'm putting outfits together that I would never wear.
Speaker 2: I do that all the time, and I'm like, what
Speaker 2: am I doing?
Speaker 3: Sometimes it's cool and it works, I'm like, wow, I
Speaker 3: kind of like this, but other times I hate the
Speaker 3: force of it. And I'm sure you know too, Like
Speaker 3: if you have to do something, you have to get
Speaker 3: content out, it's better when you're posting constantly.
Speaker 2: The second you stop, you notice it.
Speaker 1: But I do see myself losing my ability to think
Speaker 1: for myself in a really weird way. Yeah, And I'm like, whoa,
Speaker 1: I'm just mimicking things that I'm saying. I don't even know.
Speaker 1: I don't have an opinion. It's literally like nothing. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know, do I I don't know
Speaker 1: if I like this, I don't know. Everyone's telling me
Speaker 1: it's cool. I don't know, and it really does like
Speaker 1: take away your ability to think for yourself or have
Speaker 1: a personal style. I feel like you're so good with
Speaker 1: that though, you have such a unique personal style.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: And I am like, I only want to have girls
Speaker 1: on that have cool personal style because I feel like
Speaker 1: it's hard these days just to do something different.
Speaker 2: It is hard.
Speaker 3: Well, that's like kind of what I mean too, Like
Speaker 3: I get stuck. I'm like, what do I wear every day?
Speaker 3: I'm like, am I going to pull out another nearly
Speaker 3: lowtent gene? Which I love and I wear all the time.
Speaker 3: But there's just a lot of pressure to always be
Speaker 3: in something new, something cool with this world that I
Speaker 3: don't know.
Speaker 1: I do think the ways being in something new, the
Speaker 1: overconsumption is like it's it's discussed, but I don't even
Speaker 1: think people realize it's how bad it is. Truly, it
Speaker 1: is constant, constantly having something new, having the newest thing
Speaker 1: it is. It's honestly disturbing.
Speaker 2: I think that should be a whole thing.
Speaker 3: No, it's wearing your clothes, like obviously we both rewar
Speaker 3: our stuff, but posting that.
Speaker 1: I've warn these fans three times this week, like say.
Speaker 2: I've wore this top four times, but you literally are
Speaker 2: pushed and pushed and pushed to have the fresh.
Speaker 1: Thing, the new thing, the new thing, the new thing,
Speaker 1: the new thing, always changing, always more content, always more,
Speaker 1: always more. So I like that you have a business
Speaker 1: outside of it, because then you can kind of take a.
Speaker 2: Step back exact.
Speaker 1: That's why I have this. I want to take a
Speaker 1: step back from I don't want my entire life and
Speaker 1: identity and revenue and everything to come from what I
Speaker 1: post on the internet because I just think it like
Speaker 1: creates this disturbing, mind melting thing within you.
Speaker 2: Also, like you're you want.
Speaker 3: I believe, like the most successful people who are online,
Speaker 3: you have a clear and concise point of view, the
Speaker 3: brands you work with, who you work with, And I
Speaker 3: think sometimes when people do that full time and don't
Speaker 3: have a separation or don't have other projects to do
Speaker 3: to kind of mix it up, it's like we all
Speaker 3: just know these are paid ads.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hope I'm not being too negative now negative
Speaker 2: at all.
Speaker 1: It's just it's I think it's important to talk about
Speaker 1: the what's realistic about it and what's really going on,
Speaker 1: because I don't think I think people hear influencer or whatever,
Speaker 1: and I think it needs to be just I think
Speaker 1: the negatives need to be discussed and they need to
Speaker 1: be told to people who maybe don't do this every day,
Speaker 1: just so they know what's really going on. I feel
Speaker 1: like pulling the curtain back is important.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you think is like your biggest qualm
Speaker 2: or like thing?
Speaker 1: I The thing I just like the most about it
Speaker 1: is feeling like you have to care so much about
Speaker 1: numbers and views and it's just like gross to me.
Speaker 1: And then because New York is such a small, little
Speaker 1: like influencer community, like everyone competing with each I just
Speaker 1: do not like the female and female competition.
Speaker 2: It's intense.
Speaker 1: It's very intense, and some girls really enable it and
Speaker 1: drive it, and I don't like that. We can do
Speaker 1: more looking at this like a business and looking at
Speaker 1: it as what it is than looking at it as
Speaker 1: a popularity contest because that's just easy to find. I'm
Speaker 1: just like, that's easy. Can't like think about it in
Speaker 1: a more I don't know, cerebral way. And this could
Speaker 1: be something that enables so many It does enable so
Speaker 1: many women to have careers and jobs that they wouldn't
Speaker 1: have and stay at home moms to have their own
Speaker 1: income and all of that stuff. And I'm like, why
Speaker 1: don't we look at it that way and not my
Speaker 1: dad got me this job, or.
Speaker 2: Like just even the negativity of that. I don't want
Speaker 2: to be here. There's so many.
Speaker 3: Things like look, I get it. I've said that before,
Speaker 3: Like I'm exhausted towards the end of fashion week.
Speaker 2: We all are. But how lucky are we that we're
Speaker 2: doing that as our job?
Speaker 1: What is the best piece of it? Speaking of giving
Speaker 1: advice to women? But we love women, and most of
Speaker 1: the girls in New York are amazing, But.
Speaker 3: We actually have a really good inner crew of girls
Speaker 3: that we're so lucky.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, they're There's like twenty five girls that are
Speaker 1: like true girls, girls that are so sweet that everybody's
Speaker 1: friends and like.
Speaker 3: M like we have each other's backs, yes, fun, We
Speaker 3: like take pictures of each other and help each other
Speaker 3: get their content.
Speaker 1: Are excited to see each other at these pumps because
Speaker 1: I think it's just so rare. LA wasn't like that,
Speaker 1: LA like that at all? Did you live in La
Speaker 1: five years?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 1: I don't know that it was torture. I can't imagine
Speaker 1: that the girls were such bullies. It was really terrible.
Speaker 1: It was why I left. I was like, Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna I can't thrive in an environment like this.
Speaker 3: I think it happens everywhere that girls are like that,
Speaker 3: from when you're in middle school, high school, Like there's
Speaker 3: always that craziness. But considering how often we see each
Speaker 3: other and we're all together, like I'm so grateful that
Speaker 3: we have that good crew.
Speaker 1: No, there are some really amazing girls.
Speaker 2: Otherwise, Like, how do you not beat yourself up over it?
Speaker 1: Truly? And we can bond over it, like you said,
Speaker 1: we've talked about it at Lancha.
Speaker 2: You can.
Speaker 1: You can kind of be like, I'm not really feeling
Speaker 1: so great about myself today, and everybody kind of comes
Speaker 1: together in times like yeah me or I wasn't invited
Speaker 1: to this thing, and I just like really feel shitty
Speaker 1: because all of you guys were there, just that kind
Speaker 1: of vi of like it wasn't even that great. Don't
Speaker 1: worry girl, you didn't miss it, Yeah, like it was
Speaker 1: just another thing. Yeah, there are there are some really
Speaker 1: great girls in New York that do lift all of
Speaker 1: us up, and I am so grateful for that. But
Speaker 1: what is your best advice to women who want to
Speaker 1: work in fashion or something that you wish you knew
Speaker 1: when you started your fashion career.
Speaker 2: Okay, the first thing I'm going to say is to
Speaker 2: work hard, and like.
Speaker 1: Fashion knows no hours.
Speaker 3: No hours, And you know, it's changed so much from
Speaker 3: when I was in house too, But I just remember
Speaker 3: the time I was kind of leaving that job and
Speaker 3: the interns I was having, I was like, this just
Speaker 3: would never fly back in the day, Like you sat,
Speaker 3: you were quiet, you waited till someone called on you.
Speaker 3: You did what you had to do, and you were
Speaker 3: the last in the office first, and like you just
Speaker 3: worked hard because that's all you had to vouch for
Speaker 3: you to get further or like higher up in a
Speaker 3: position or something.
Speaker 2: But I think work hard, get the experience.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: In turn, I tell everybody and like girls who DM
Speaker 3: me all the time, I'm like, get an internship anywhere.
Speaker 2: What do you want to do? You don't know.
Speaker 3: You just want to work in fashion, internet, every company
Speaker 3: under different things and figure out what it is because
Speaker 3: the industry rewards constant or concise.
Speaker 2: Point of views.
Speaker 3: Like clear, concise point of view, you will go further
Speaker 3: in life with that. I also think, and this is
Speaker 3: something I learned recently, like your taste is your currency,
Speaker 3: so develop it, protect it. And with that too, like
Speaker 3: know you're worth. It's like very hard to like put
Speaker 3: a number for what you do, but like you have
Speaker 3: to remember that your ideas will be used and taken,
Speaker 3: and it's like that's your footprint, that's your taste. So
Speaker 3: I guess those two things as being the biggest I'm
Speaker 3: trying to think of what else.
Speaker 2: No, that's great.
Speaker 1: Which you taste is great? Great, really great advice because
Speaker 1: you're right, and especially with the emergence of things like
Speaker 1: sub stack and everybody just wants to know more and
Speaker 1: more and more and more and more. And it's with
Speaker 1: first glance your Instagram page or your TikTok, what is
Speaker 1: your taste? What is your style level? What is your everything? So, no,
Speaker 1: that's that's incredible advice.
Speaker 2: What do you think we search it?
Speaker 1: Oh? I love it. I love it. It brings me
Speaker 1: so much joy.
Speaker 2: I need to follow yours. I didn't know you did good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it. No, I really love it. I
Speaker 1: need to spend more time. It is like my the
Speaker 1: least amount of time I put towards anything, is that
Speaker 1: but it's the thing I love the most. I just
Speaker 1: think it enables you to have such a point of
Speaker 1: view and just talk to people who actually want to
Speaker 1: listen to you, because no one's on there that doesn't
Speaker 1: want to be. It's not Instagram getting force fed things.
Speaker 1: It's literally like if you subscribe, you get that newsletter,
Speaker 1: and I feel like I've learned so much about my
Speaker 1: friends and girls in New York that I know, even
Speaker 1: in passing, I'll read their subsct I'm like, wow, she's
Speaker 1: so she's such a beautiful writer, she's so interesting, she's
Speaker 1: so smart. I didn't realize this about her because you.
Speaker 2: Know, it's not like the same type of stuff you
Speaker 2: would get into you because on.
Speaker 1: Instagram and TikTok, you're kind of forced to make the
Speaker 1: same like it's a day. If you don't make what trend,
Speaker 1: it doesn't go anywhere. So it's like everyone's making the
Speaker 1: same thing. You think all these people are exactly same.
Speaker 1: Then you go on subsecond you're like, wait, WHOA, No,
Speaker 1: she actually is a poet or writes these beautiful essays. Well,
Speaker 1: like she's a really strong point of view at or like, whoa,
Speaker 1: she really knows what she's talking about she's like very
Speaker 1: well read. And when it comes to fashion, yeah, so
Speaker 1: that I love it, I think. And I just like
Speaker 1: giving women a space to write. I think it's like amazing.
Speaker 1: We don't really have that. It's like, yes, where else
Speaker 1: are we going to do that?
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. It's not happening on Instagram right now. No,
Speaker 2: it's not.
Speaker 1: Happening on it. You can't like if you write some
Speaker 1: big paragraph on Instagram, no one's going to read it totally.
Speaker 1: So I really like that. I am a I love subsets.
Speaker 3: I need to get into it more. I told you
Speaker 3: I have so many drafts about these things, but you're
Speaker 3: actually published. I know you're making me think I should
Speaker 3: do it.
Speaker 1: Look for it and they find you, and there's just
Speaker 1: like no negativity because your base, a lot of it
Speaker 1: is paid to paid content. No one's paying for content
Speaker 1: they don't want to see. No one is paying to
Speaker 1: follow a creator. They don't want to hear what they
Speaker 1: have to say. So it's and not to say like,
Speaker 1: oh it's a bunch of like sick of fants, but
Speaker 1: it's like they want to be there. So when I've
Speaker 1: I'm sure you have had this million times people on
Speaker 1: your TikTok answering going, why is my FYP showing me this?
Speaker 1: Who is this chick? I don't want to see this,
Speaker 1: like who are you and why are you on my page?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah, I didn't as I'm asked to
Speaker 1: be put in front of you. But on substack they're
Speaker 1: asking to have your yes and people are the One
Speaker 1: thing I get the most DM wise is like, can
Speaker 1: you link this on subset? Can you write a substuck
Speaker 1: about this? Will you do a substec about this? Where
Speaker 1: does all those outfits from? Can you link them? And
Speaker 1: I'm like, dang, you guys are really like you want it,
Speaker 1: You're on it. Somebody on Instagram really gives that much
Speaker 1: of a shit if I give them the links, Like
Speaker 1: people in subsec will you write an article about this?
Speaker 1: Can you tell me everything that? Like I did a
Speaker 1: thing this morning, what's in my everything? In my makeup bag?
Speaker 1: It was heavily asked for and I was like, that's amazing,
Speaker 1: I really care what's in my makeup? I sure, I'll
Speaker 1: write you an article about what's in my makeup bag?
Speaker 1: Like they want it yea, And that is really really refreshing,
Speaker 1: as opposed to some algorithm like feeding it forcing you
Speaker 1: to watch it.
Speaker 3: Wait, that's so interesting, do you think? So you don't
Speaker 3: get it in your dms like people asking you about
Speaker 3: all your sad.
Speaker 1: Not not, I mean yes, but like the substack, the mote,
Speaker 1: they want to read it awesome, they want more, they
Speaker 1: want to like and they love like ketchups on like
Speaker 1: new releases. Because I'm sure you, like myself, are always shopping,
Speaker 1: always looking at what's new, always looking at what brands
Speaker 1: are doing. I try, I should be better like I
Speaker 1: am windows shopping at all times, just like you know
Speaker 1: what's I just want to know what's going on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to know what.
Speaker 1: The designs are. I want to know what people are wearing.
Speaker 1: I want to know what they're putting out. I want
Speaker 1: to know the ads that they're using or I'm interested
Speaker 1: in that the creative side of it too, what's their
Speaker 1: strategy everything? And so people like when you kind of
Speaker 1: round that up for them.
Speaker 2: Because when people do it for me, not ever hours.
Speaker 1: To scroll on the internet, I do. So you know
Speaker 1: what's round.
Speaker 3: I'm scrolling like I scroll my TikTok right now, TikTok's
Speaker 3: messed up. I don't know what that's going on my
Speaker 3: feed is like people slipping on ice. I haven't seen
Speaker 3: fashion on my feed in a minute.
Speaker 1: Really, mine is literally just like girls making tea in
Speaker 1: the morning at success, like trying to like I'm trying
Speaker 1: to make myself have a good morning routine. So mine's
Speaker 1: literally just like peaceful music and girls in yoga pants.
Speaker 1: Literally all my TikTok gets.
Speaker 2: I literally I talk it on my phone. I'm like,
Speaker 2: please give me an interior design inspiration.
Speaker 1: That's another thing that choose on substack. The interior design
Speaker 1: on substack is incredible, and there are incredible interior designers
Speaker 1: who have substacks that will like find you the most
Speaker 1: beautifully curated pieces.
Speaker 2: You need to send me all these people.
Speaker 1: It's very element substack is very elevated. That's what I
Speaker 1: like about it. It's hard, sophisticated and elevated. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: maybe to publish it is very like word pressy, Yeah
Speaker 1: it is. But once you kind of get it, I'm
Speaker 1: telling you some community you are will build on there,
Speaker 1: like it really will suck you in. I am I
Speaker 1: am always on substacks strong.
Speaker 2: See, That's how it was when I first got on it.
Speaker 3: But my stuff is photos and visuals, Like I don't
Speaker 3: I need to get on that side of it.
Speaker 2: There's who is it?
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I'm gonna send her you But there
Speaker 1: is a girl, like you said, honing in on your taste.
Speaker 1: I can't remember her page right now, but her entire
Speaker 1: she's one of the most popular substackers there is. And
Speaker 1: her entire thing it's like a folder every month, I
Speaker 1: want to say, and you click it and then it's
Speaker 1: just like every image that has inspired her, and like
Speaker 1: they're just reference photos from the nineties and like incredible
Speaker 1: interior design that you wouldn't see. It's like it's like
Speaker 1: a magazine almost, like and it's just photos. She doesn't
Speaker 1: write anything, but it's just it's just elevated and sophisticated.
Speaker 1: And you're like, Okay, this is what like the upper
Speaker 1: echelon of people are looking at and wanting it. No,
Speaker 1: I have to I cannot remember her name right now,
Speaker 1: but I will send it to you.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: She I am like, God, you have such good taste.
Speaker 1: It's like Tumblr, but for the sheakst person you've ever
Speaker 1: seen in your life. Okay, love, And she's one of
Speaker 1: the top ones. And it's just because people want to
Speaker 1: know what she's looking at love, so I will send
Speaker 1: her here.
Speaker 2: Wait that's it.
Speaker 1: Sorry, you're going to subtect here.
Speaker 3: No, yeah, but that's interesting because like right now I'm like, oh,
Speaker 3: that's what dog ears is my substack.
Speaker 2: It's just photos. I've never done writing.
Speaker 1: This is the thing.
Speaker 3: But this is maybe a good piece of advice. You
Speaker 3: could do the same thing somebody else. Don't give up, Like, yeah, but.
Speaker 1: I do think you should write, if you have drafts,
Speaker 1: if you have something to say, I do think you
Speaker 1: should publish it because people really will say and you
Speaker 1: can write.
Speaker 2: Maybe say and people will read it. Maybe I'll publish
Speaker 2: it after this comes out.
Speaker 3: Yes is the beginning, Yes, please call points topics.
Speaker 1: You said that taste is your currency. How did you
Speaker 1: convert your taste into something that drives revenue for you?
Speaker 2: Ooh.
Speaker 3: I have always been a stickler about what I like.
Speaker 2: Like what I will do and what I will not do.
Speaker 3: I think in the beginning, you know, quitting the job,
Speaker 3: the startup os that and doing this, it was like
Speaker 3: I'll take anything I can get, I'll try and do
Speaker 3: anything and see what sticks. But I think staying true
Speaker 3: to who you are and like the deals you do
Speaker 3: and the things you put out. Kind of going back
Speaker 3: to I said before, it's very apparent when you're doing
Speaker 3: something that is in aligned with who you are or
Speaker 3: your style, and it's just like, okay, this is a matter,
Speaker 3: this is something that doesn't make sense. So I think
Speaker 3: staying true to yourself your like I, and that may
Speaker 3: come with saying no to deals even though there's good money.
Speaker 3: Like I didn't always do that obviously, in between jobs,
Speaker 3: I didn't.
Speaker 2: Really stay true to that.
Speaker 3: I took anything I could because I needed to make money.
Speaker 3: I couldn't afford to live in the city. It was chaos.
Speaker 3: But now I'm very strict on that. I think keeping
Speaker 3: and making your footprint. I just think saying true to
Speaker 3: you will help convert to revenue later, Like it doesn't
Speaker 3: happen right away, And it's still weird because sometimes I'll
Speaker 3: try out stuff and I'm sure you've done stuff, and
Speaker 3: you're like, wait, this isn't really catching on, or like
Speaker 3: that's something I really want to do, but there isn't
Speaker 3: always a way to relate that or change that into revenue.
Speaker 2: So that's incredibly fair.
Speaker 1: What are some ways that you hone your eye and
Speaker 1: your chase.
Speaker 3: My mood boared like crazy. I'm on Pinterest. Oh my god,
Speaker 3: I go want it more than I go on Instagram
Speaker 3: me too, Like.
Speaker 1: Everyone would think like Instagram's.
Speaker 2: I don't care about it.
Speaker 3: I like sharing the things I like and projects I
Speaker 3: work on, and like trying to catch up with my friends.
Speaker 3: But Instagram doesn't even give me my friends on my
Speaker 3: feet anyways, so I'm not going on No.
Speaker 1: Pinteress is like the gold standard.
Speaker 2: It's the best. But I also love buying magazines.
Speaker 3: I love flipping through old prints and getting my mood
Speaker 3: boards from there, and then physically making mood boards in
Speaker 3: my apartment. It's like everything I do. I look at
Speaker 3: Pinterests every day before I get dressed too.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 3: I love to think about, like what do I want
Speaker 3: to do? Do I want to try something new with a
Speaker 3: styaling trick? Do I want to do this that?
Speaker 2: Like I have a whole.
Speaker 3: Board on Pinterest right now for designs that I want
Speaker 3: to create, like a little line I want to do
Speaker 3: like things that I love.
Speaker 1: Going to ask you if you wanted to make your
Speaker 1: own line. That's my next question is would you ever
Speaker 1: want to start your own brand?
Speaker 2: One hundred percent I do.
Speaker 3: Some of the consulting I do is design consulting for
Speaker 3: companies or brands, but I would love to have something
Speaker 3: of my own one day. I'm actually I don't know
Speaker 3: if I can share this. I'm doing a little summer
Speaker 3: speak things into Oh, which I'm very excited about because
Speaker 3: I love bikinis, I love the summer, I love being
Speaker 3: out East. It's very mod talk focused, so I'm excited
Speaker 3: for that. But I would love to do a brand.
Speaker 3: I just don't know what I look like like right now.
Speaker 3: I would love to have a pattern maker or find
Speaker 3: someone who could produce small quantity, a few styles and
Speaker 3: just kind of see where it goes. But when I
Speaker 3: tell you, I cut my clothes every day. I've done
Speaker 3: it since I was a little girl. My mom's like,
Speaker 3: you cut and ruin everything. So I got to try
Speaker 3: and make it into something else. But I don't how
Speaker 3: to sew, so I need to learn to do that.
Speaker 1: But I love that. It's giving Brat's movie.
Speaker 2: It's chaos. I'm like pinning stuff. My mom's like, you
Speaker 2: can see the pin I'm like, but.
Speaker 1: If I put a bow on it, like, the more
Speaker 1: I can throw off chaos. Chaos, I feel like that's
Speaker 1: just inherent to being a creative. Though It's like you're
Speaker 1: always I'm not super creative, but I feel like you
Speaker 1: guys are always just ripping things apart and cutting things up.
Speaker 3: My best friends, ruining stuff. I realized all my carpets
Speaker 3: with paint when I was doing.
Speaker 1: Painting things, and yes, and my gen things and turning
Speaker 1: things into things that weren't playing. Yeah, and I'm like, wait,
Speaker 1: did that have grommets on it last time I saw you?
Speaker 1: So yeah, I feel like that's I would love to
Speaker 1: see your brand. So you want to sweak that into existence?
Speaker 2: You want to have a brand on day one day.
Speaker 1: I love that. I'm maybe everythinking like co tour or
Speaker 1: like I ready to wear I mean.
Speaker 3: Dial ready to wear, Oh, like I was thinking about
Speaker 3: it all started because of I mean, Scapareley is one
Speaker 3: of my favorite brands of all time.
Speaker 1: You're you're scapareally coded for sure.
Speaker 3: But I like, I want to wear that funky stuff
Speaker 3: to dinner with friends, Like I want the silhouettes.
Speaker 2: And things like that. But I can't afford that either.
Speaker 2: So that's one thing.
Speaker 1: I mean, no one can, No one can, But like
Speaker 1: I love the style their stars and the crazy structure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's like that perfect mix of art, fashion
Speaker 3: and in terrors, which like for me, if I were
Speaker 3: to actually make a brand, I think it would have
Speaker 3: to be some type of multi dimensional house that includes art,
Speaker 3: fashion and lifestylear interiors, because I love interior design. I
Speaker 3: don't really ever tell anybody that I'm an artist and
Speaker 3: I have that whole side of things.
Speaker 1: But Cynthia Rally has furniture and it's unbelievable. What yes, exactly, exactly, Yes,
Speaker 1: she does furniture and it's phenomenal. I think it's better
Speaker 1: than the clothes.
Speaker 2: What I have to No, it's phenomenal. I need furniture.
Speaker 1: Her whole story is decorated in her own.
Speaker 2: I was just gonna ask, is that so cute? Girl?
Speaker 1: You said you're an artist, you love interiors, you have
Speaker 1: all these things. I feel like that all plays into
Speaker 1: your personal style because it's it's bold and experimental and
Speaker 1: you go there and you do things that other girls
Speaker 1: aren't doing, which is what I love about your style.
Speaker 1: How would you describe your personal style in three words?
Speaker 3: Does one of those questions that I actually have written
Speaker 3: in my notes, or like when someone's like who's your
Speaker 3: ideal dinner party guests.
Speaker 2: I think about this all the time because it's so hard.
Speaker 3: I think there is a masculine element to it, with
Speaker 3: like suiting, tailoring, the baggie always in a trouser.
Speaker 1: I die for a trouser. I want to be in
Speaker 1: a pant.
Speaker 2: Always, always. It's so much more comfortable than it's.
Speaker 1: Really trying to put me in dresses for events and
Speaker 1: I'm like, I want to pant. Thank you, Yeah, unless
Speaker 1: the dress is like a very specific look. Uh uh No,
Speaker 1: I want to pant. It's straw.
Speaker 2: I always want to pant, and like a blazer but
Speaker 2: down like showy boobs, a little yeah moment, but like
Speaker 2: pant always comfortable.
Speaker 3: Maybe I like I cannot If I'm uncomfortable, I make
Speaker 3: it everybody's problem. Like I dress for comfort every time
Speaker 3: I get dressed, So maybe comfort ease.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's so hard to say, because.
Speaker 1: Like, where are you shopping? Where are the places you
Speaker 1: like to shop? Are you a big vintage girl? I'm
Speaker 1: getting into it.
Speaker 3: I've always loved finding that random piece. It's always happened randomly.
Speaker 3: I never like sought out going to store trying to
Speaker 3: do the vegiting. Every time I do, I don't find anything.
Speaker 3: But I think that that's also huge trend right now
Speaker 3: of mixing the vintage and modern stuff together. Maybe that
Speaker 3: goes back to a point of everyone's doing the same
Speaker 3: thing that we need.
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like vintage is now like not
Speaker 1: even a little overdone. Yeah, it's like everyone's the all vintage. Yeah,
Speaker 1: no it's But I think a lot of the old
Speaker 1: silhouettes too. For me, are is my style? Like I'm
Speaker 1: either in it like I'm saying a trouser, a baggy
Speaker 1: pant and some low wait, low neck something up here,
Speaker 1: or I'm in a Maxi dress like I live in
Speaker 1: a Maxi dress and a slip silk dress.
Speaker 2: So for vintage, I love it. Let me think of
Speaker 2: one other world?
Speaker 1: Are there like go to spots in New York that
Speaker 1: you love for shopping.
Speaker 3: I used to keep this this is when I need
Speaker 3: like phone a friend and called Maggie Clamscow because she
Speaker 3: would go every Friday to a new spot and find
Speaker 3: these stores and like hole in the walls.
Speaker 1: She better read an article about this. I need to know.
Speaker 2: She used to post them on her stories, and.
Speaker 1: I can find places to go that I can never
Speaker 1: I'm at the same place as every other chicks at
Speaker 1: like I'm the basic bitch in line with the same people.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know, this is what you guys
Speaker 1: said was cool.
Speaker 2: I don't know. That's kind of how I feel.
Speaker 3: Or I'm online shopping, yeah, I haven't chopped since so long, though,
Speaker 3: Like I don't know the close spots in the city.
Speaker 3: I know that there is this woman who I did
Speaker 3: gate keep forever, who I got all my vintage slip
Speaker 3: dresses from, who is Lower east Side.
Speaker 2: It's aw coffmin Okay, wow. She is like I don't
Speaker 2: even know I explain this. It's almost I don't want
Speaker 2: to say she's a hoarder. But there are a thousand
Speaker 2: poly bag dresses and you go in there and she's
Speaker 2: like all these bins of like kristind you or Teddy's
Speaker 2: like little bra and anddie sets that are so cute
Speaker 2: and they're like thirty five dollars.
Speaker 1: So it's amazing and a good today, good gift to
Speaker 1: give somebody. Wow.
Speaker 2: But then you tell her like what you look or
Speaker 2: wanting what you're looking for, like a I'm always like
Speaker 2: I want to lace dress, this this blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: She literally like this, she like patterns to like like colors,
Speaker 3: and she like pulls out She's like yes, no, like
Speaker 3: she doesn't let me touch it.
Speaker 2: She just like goes through it all and then it's
Speaker 2: amazing pieces. Oh my gosh, a good movie.
Speaker 1: No, that's a fantastic New York shout out. And she
Speaker 1: sounds like anick girl herself. She's we love a hoarding creative,
Speaker 1: a girl that's awesome, that's iconic. Yeah, I love that, Okay,
Speaker 1: love her. I will be going there immediately. Do you
Speaker 1: feel like your style has changed as your career has changed.
Speaker 3: Only in the sense I can maybe afford more expensive
Speaker 3: pieces nowadays.
Speaker 2: I felt that girly, But otherwise now I think I've
Speaker 2: kind of.
Speaker 1: Stuck to your personal Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think there's always an element of my core style
Speaker 3: in an outfit, Like if I'm doing something different.
Speaker 1: Is there a style you'll never wear no matter how
Speaker 1: trendy it is? Like? Is there some never never wear
Speaker 1: no goes for you?
Speaker 2: Yes? What are those boots like the like hoob.
Speaker 1: Margella, the tabbies.
Speaker 3: Yes, I can't do it. I don't like the look
Speaker 3: on me. I think other people rocket that's like a
Speaker 3: hot take. No one has said no. One likes when
Speaker 3: I say that.
Speaker 2: I don't like that. I don't like crocs. Yeah, you'll
Speaker 2: never catch me in a crock. The tabby is that.
Speaker 1: Someone asked me the other day. She was like, what
Speaker 1: what is your take on? Like what do you feel?
Speaker 1: Do I do it? Do I not do it? And
Speaker 1: I was like, look, I think if you do it,
Speaker 1: you're the coolest girl ever. Like you are a fashion girl.
Speaker 1: You are going there, you are bold. Do you get
Speaker 1: in it? It? Jella like your ass. But if you
Speaker 1: think they're ugly, you're also right, Like I'm like you're
Speaker 1: I'm like, you'll be high fashion. But I'm like, do
Speaker 1: I think anyone is going to get it? If you're
Speaker 1: not in like New York or Paris or London or
Speaker 1: something like, No, I'm gonna get it. You're on the way.
Speaker 1: She's dressed like you. She lives in California, And I
Speaker 1: was like, not in main like LA. Even in LA,
Speaker 1: I think that's pushing it because I feel like they're
Speaker 1: very like basic. Yeah, everyone's looks the same. So I
Speaker 1: was like, in California, do I think anyone's gonna appreciate it?
Speaker 1: Or like it. No, But do I think you'll be
Speaker 1: such a bad ass for wearing them?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Yes, but they are like dress for you, Yeah, dress
Speaker 1: for your thing. I'm like, I don't do it, But
Speaker 1: when I see a girl in it, I'm like, that
Speaker 1: girl is confident and that girl knows herself and I
Speaker 1: love that d So yeah, I'm with you, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I get it.
Speaker 2: But no, yeah, I'm saying I don't know. They just
Speaker 2: like I can't get on that track.
Speaker 1: Is there anything twenty twenty six trending wise with style
Speaker 1: that you're just absolutely loving, Like these weird A just
Speaker 1: gonna say the Napoleon Napoleon military jacket jacket that's my
Speaker 1: favorite trend of twenty me too, because I've always loved it.
Speaker 3: I literally have jackets from my mom from twenty years
Speaker 3: ago that I've just kept and I love them.
Speaker 2: I can't find them now, which is driving me crazy.
Speaker 2: But I love the look. I'm so here for it.
Speaker 2: I feel like it's kind of with boho trend sheet
Speaker 2: that's going on, but within Boho intro right now is
Speaker 2: having I think could come back. I'm loving everything they're doing, obviously, Chloe.
Speaker 2: Everyone's on the clothes.
Speaker 1: Has always been incredible, and I feel so underrated. It's
Speaker 1: so so underrating.
Speaker 3: I feel like I just talked to you about this
Speaker 3: the other day, but it wasn't you. Someone else said
Speaker 3: that so underrated. They don't get enough press or coverage.
Speaker 2: They've always remained, they've always kept their brand image when
Speaker 2: they've never ventured off based on trends and stuff, but
Speaker 2: they just kind of didn't get the same reporting or coverage.
Speaker 2: I feel like over the last few years, if you.
Speaker 1: Find an etropiece and a vendage short literally doesn't matter
Speaker 1: where it's from, it's not only stunning, but it looks
Speaker 1: exactly like what they're making right.
Speaker 2: Now, correct exactly and it's different and it's expensive, but
Speaker 2: it's well made.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, Metro girl for.
Speaker 3: Life, loving it like vintage, Like we're saying vintages back.
Speaker 3: I think vintage watches. I don't know if that's just
Speaker 3: very niche and what I'm going down a rabbit hole on,
Speaker 3: but vintage watches, yeahs are gonna be cool. Bit I
Speaker 3: feel like big bags are going to be a thing,
Speaker 3: or they are a thing. Everyone's carrying the Hobo's back.
Speaker 3: Thank god, I.
Speaker 2: Want that freaking Botega Hobo.
Speaker 1: The big Bige mask, I want it so bad. And
Speaker 1: that Gucci Oneman that's swayed Gucci one. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: that's my dream bag. Gorgeous, it's insane.
Speaker 2: The one that they have the fur into, which I
Speaker 2: don't know if it comes in fur.
Speaker 1: But I believe in it was in the show. I
Speaker 1: bet it's phenomenal, so good. I love a big bag.
Speaker 1: I'm not a bag girl. I never have a bag.
Speaker 1: I will give my phone to anybody in a place.
Speaker 1: If you are carrying a mini bag, you're not a
Speaker 1: working woman. You cannot tell me you don't need to
Speaker 1: carry stuff all day. I'm like, I have shit I
Speaker 1: got to take with me. Yes, I'm going to work,
Speaker 1: and then if I'm going out, I'm just going to
Speaker 1: change my shoes. I gotta change my outfit. It's like
Speaker 1: I got all these things I need. I have a
Speaker 1: folder in my purse at all times, and I'm.
Speaker 2: Like, I need a big bag, need a toe, Yes,
Speaker 2: I just grab it towards toe, but I'm here for
Speaker 2: if it's coming back big like Selene that yeah bag,
Speaker 2: that's yes, he on it. Morgan Stewart posted it and I.
Speaker 1: Was like, girl, she's on it. She's so good, she
Speaker 1: is really on it. I think it's because she can
Speaker 1: just afford things that no one else can. So it's
Speaker 1: not even like.
Speaker 2: But she has taste.
Speaker 1: She does have taste, but it's like she's buying the
Speaker 1: twelve thousand dollar jacket. I'm my god, I didn't even
Speaker 1: know they made that. Yeah, I've never seen that. Nobody offers.
Speaker 1: She's getting the thing that you're like, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I didn't even know that existed in this world.
Speaker 2: Totally, and I love it. She's so good.
Speaker 3: Trying to think there's any other things. I'm kind of
Speaker 3: over the belts, the craziness of belts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I like a sleek.
Speaker 2: Like a sleek one belt.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like a like a cape moss all black,
Speaker 1: a little tiny skinny belt ninety supermodel live. That's more
Speaker 1: me than the big chunky belt, yes, or like triple
Speaker 1: belt that everyone's doing.
Speaker 2: That's what I mean, Like, I can't, I need we
Speaker 2: need to.
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm also just not. I'm a maximalist in
Speaker 1: some ways, but I'm not a maximalist in the like success,
Speaker 1: I want a jingle jingle, jingle, jingle, and then my
Speaker 1: neck is jingling on my arms are jing belts on.
Speaker 1: And I have a skirt on top of a skirt
Speaker 1: that's just not.
Speaker 2: Me personally, same not me.
Speaker 3: Although I usually this, like the first time I haven't
Speaker 3: had a crazy stack on those jingle a little.
Speaker 2: But it's a certain girl, yeah, I think, And it's
Speaker 2: cool but not free. I think it's I think it's
Speaker 2: making its way out. Actually with that too. The last
Speaker 2: thing last in I will say is suiting. Yes, I'm
Speaker 2: so here for it, but I think we keep seeing
Speaker 2: all these runway shows with all the women wearing suiting,
Speaker 2: especially y s l love and ties, so I'm like
Speaker 2: bringing on, Yeah, no, I'm I want.
Speaker 1: Everybody at the Wiesel beauty party the other night was
Speaker 1: wearing a suit or like a tie, which is very
Speaker 1: why I sell. But I also was like yes to
Speaker 1: women dressed like yeah, I love this, Like I really
Speaker 1: like I love the tie trend, or we would.
Speaker 3: Look sick in one of those like the full the boxy,
Speaker 3: the shoulder and lighten like the due bearing.
Speaker 1: War ViBe's she's into a suit, Oh yeah she is.
Speaker 1: She always has a tie on it. I love that.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you have your own show. You should be
Speaker 1: wearing a suit and tie. Yes, like duh okay, last question,
Speaker 1: so no, I love it. Who do you think is
Speaker 1: the ultimately girl and why does she inspire you?
Speaker 2: Bailey?
Speaker 3: Since you started You're serious, I'm not even kidding. Since
Speaker 3: the first video you put out, I have asked myself
Speaker 3: this question.
Speaker 2: Maybe once we love like Roman Empire.
Speaker 1: And it can be five people. It doesn't have to
Speaker 1: be a celebrity, just know it can be whatever you want.
Speaker 3: Definitely a culmination. I think it's do you know the
Speaker 3: Attico girls?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: And Georgia, who is incredible, Yes, love my gosh, one
Speaker 1: of my favorite brands.
Speaker 3: If I could take those two and Laurie and Marcy Hirschlaver,
Speaker 3: that is probably Jingle totally, the queens of the Queen
Speaker 3: of Stacking and Jingling. They are so rad and I
Speaker 3: feel like those two are those four like put together
Speaker 3: is probably a mix of everything I like to wear
Speaker 3: in that look. But then Ralf Lauren as a whole,
Speaker 3: not like one specific but just that vibe.
Speaker 1: Ralf Lauren is a nick girl.
Speaker 2: Let it be known so, and right now they're like
Speaker 2: popping off. I get inspo all the time, though, like
Speaker 2: and it's mine, doesn't usually come from people. It comes
Speaker 2: from the art and interiors. But like a Zoe Kravitz moment.
Speaker 1: She no one ever says her, and I'm like, where's
Speaker 1: the love for Zoe Kravitz. Her style is beyond.
Speaker 2: But it's as a stylist.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Which then I'm like, Who's I gotta figure out
Speaker 3: who the stylist is. She's Rad Miley Cyrus love the
Speaker 3: latex white tank top chanel like Rad Rad. So it's
Speaker 3: a mex I would say those right now.
Speaker 1: Ultra cool girls though.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you like the ultra cool girl, and like I
Speaker 2: like a point of view or like laid down, laid
Speaker 2: back cash. But like when Zoe Kravitz is walking around
Speaker 2: in her little like Adida shorts in a little click
Speaker 2: clack shoe like rad.
Speaker 1: I loved her T shirt Adidas short high heel up.
Speaker 1: I love it save And she's just like in her
Speaker 1: ballet flats, walking around looking like the coolest girl alone.
Speaker 1: And I feel like it's it's an attitude and an
Speaker 1: energy that's that itck girl energy of like, yes, I'm
Speaker 1: wearing a T shirt, jeans and ballet flats, but I'm
Speaker 1: the coolest girl in this room.
Speaker 2: Yeah, It's like the white tank top theory.
Speaker 1: Yep, yeah, perfect. I'm actually almost worried to I'm all
Speaker 1: about the white tank top. I'm in a white tank
Speaker 1: top daily because I'm like, just cool.
Speaker 2: It's cool, it's cool, and you know it's.
Speaker 1: Gonna wear matches, everything goes with everything.
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm sabulous.
Speaker 1: Get us our white tank top immediately. Ladies, you need
Speaker 1: five thousand of them. Okay, thank you so much. It
Speaker 1: was such a pleasure having you. Can you tell everyone
Speaker 1: where they can find you on social media?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Livvy Duncan on Instagram, Livvy R. Duncan on TikTok,
Speaker 3: and dog Ears on substack.
Speaker 1: Your substack is going to have a real This is
Speaker 1: kind of the.
Speaker 2: Substack and I kind of get home and start writing.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to read it and published and we
Speaker 1: are or I am at Bailey t Taylor and at
Speaker 1: A Girl the series on Instagram. Stay tuned next week
Speaker 1: for another A Girl. Thank you girl,