1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the stacks. DJ Buck 3 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 1: with you Buck? What is going on? 4 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 2: Man? 5 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 3: And not just another fun field week of ball? And 6 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:17,919 Speaker 3: you know we're living in both worlds right. The college 7 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 3: football race is super exciting. It's probably one of the 8 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:23,240 Speaker 3: more exciting years of football that we've seen, just because 9 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 3: of the playoff and all the things that are going 10 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 3: along with that. And then we're right at the midway 11 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 3: point of the NFL season, so we begin to see 12 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:35,279 Speaker 3: teams that look pretenders, contenders, people are falling off. It's 13 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 3: already time to maybe look ahead to the twenty twenty 14 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 3: five draft. All of those things are in play, and 15 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 3: so it's a fun time of year, even though there's 16 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 3: a part of me that's really sad because some of 17 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 3: the teams that we thought were going to be pretty 18 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 3: good have fallen short of expectations. 19 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:52,200 Speaker 1: By the way, are we going to see a busy 20 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: trade season? 21 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 2: I get it. 22 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 1: I kind of get the feeling that we might see 23 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: some movement here. There's so many bad teams this year 24 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: like that, it's it's odd that we have so many 25 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 1: teams that are really struggling. We're going to get into 26 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 1: those in just a minute of just kind of maybe 27 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 1: teams that have been above expectation and below expectation, But 28 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 1: it feels like we have a whole host of teams 29 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: down there near the bottom, which could lead to some sellers. 30 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 2: It could lead them sellers. But here's what I opposed 31 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 2: to you, DJ. 32 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 3: So we talked about it last year at the end 33 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 3: of the draft, how with nil and some of the 34 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:25,759 Speaker 3: things that the draft is a little weaker than it's 35 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 3: been in previous years, Like the draft really falls off 36 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 3: the cliff once you get to the bottom of the 37 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 3: fourth round. So now my thing in being a seller, 38 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 3: what are you getting back for what you're auctioning off? 39 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 3: Are you getting a pick that is really going to 40 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 3: be valuable if it's fifth, sixth, or seventh, or is 41 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 3: it more I don't know. Are you better off just 42 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 3: saying hey, you know what, I don't really care about 43 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 3: the pick that comes back in twenty twenty five, twenty 44 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 3: twenty six. I just want to get rid of the 45 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 3: thing on the books. It's really an interesting time for 46 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 3: evaluators and decision makers as they're looking ahead to the draft, 47 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 3: trying to figure out to our really we want to 48 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 3: accumulate a bunch of picks, or is my desire to 49 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 3: get rid of what's on my books more important than 50 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 3: what I really get in return. 51 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's the other layer to that though, right, So 52 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: you have well, I can hold on to the guy 53 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 1: if they're expiring contracts and I'll get a comp pick. 54 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna have to wait, you know, a year, 55 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:22,399 Speaker 1: what have you on that front. But there's also by 56 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: getting people out of the building, you create opportunity for 57 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: other young guys to say, hey, we know player A 58 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: is not going to be on our team next year. 59 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: So even though we might pick, swap him, you know, 60 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: And so you can say, we're really not getting much. 61 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 1: We're just moving up maybe from the sixth round of 62 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 1: the fifth round, which is nothing, but we're we're creating 63 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 1: an opportunity to evaluate the rest of our roster, you know, 64 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:44,679 Speaker 1: versus throwing a guy out there for the rest of 65 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:45,919 Speaker 1: the season it's not going to be on our team 66 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 1: next year. 67 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's a really interesting time and I think 68 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 3: it's one knows that's fascinating. Also, we've talked about it 69 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 3: because we're now at a point where a lot of 70 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 3: our peers, a lot of our colleagues and former colleagues 71 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 3: are now making decisions and pulling off moves, which is 72 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:06,359 Speaker 3: why I do believe that this generation is more willing 73 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 3: to swap than previous generations. 74 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:09,679 Speaker 2: You remember how we rarely. 75 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 3: Would see trades in the middle of the season. Everyone 76 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 3: was holding on to draft picks and those things. It's 77 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 3: a different time now. I do believe more teams are 78 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 3: aggressive in terms of searching out and trying to feel needs. 79 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 3: In the middle of season, we saw josh u Ja 80 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 3: go to the Kansas City Chiefs because they're looking for 81 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 3: another pass rush to compliment Chris Jones and company. Uh yeah, 82 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 3: The next two weeks would be interesting to see how 83 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 3: people elect to kind of fortify their squads as they 84 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 3: make this run. 85 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: And keep an eye out on that. On the pickswap thing, 86 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 1: because I think it's we've talked about this earlier this year, 87 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: how much of a no brainer it is. You know, 88 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 1: if you can, if you're a celt if you're a 89 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 1: if you're a buyer, I should say that's what you're 90 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 1: pushing for. You're saying, hey, we're not going to give 91 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: you a five or a six or a four or 92 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: three straight up, we'll pick swap. We want one coming 93 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 1: back our way to so maybe we give you, you know, 94 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: it's a better player. We're going to give you a three, 95 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 1: you give us a five, you know, you know, something 96 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 1: like that, because at the end of the day, as 97 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 1: you've mentioned, the draft has kind of gotten top heavy. 98 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: So third through sixth, like, I just need a bullet 99 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 1: in the gun man. I just give me, you know, 100 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: just give me a shot at it, whether it's the fifth, 101 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: the sixth, the bottom of the fourth, Like, I just 102 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: want to make sure I maintain my number of picks 103 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:23,720 Speaker 1: and maybe not be so obsessed with how, you know 104 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 1: how where they're located in terms of Day three. 105 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, the other thing that we've seen 106 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 3: in recent years, DJ, is you want to accumulate a 107 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:34,039 Speaker 3: bunch of picks at the bottom of the draft so 108 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 3: then you can package them together and move up in rounds. 109 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:39,599 Speaker 3: To get there, people are trading off the bottom part 110 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 3: of the draft so they can get valuable picks in 111 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:43,280 Speaker 3: the third and fourth round. So if it means that 112 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 3: I have to give you, uh two fifths and two 113 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:48,559 Speaker 3: sixth to move up, I'm willing to do that because 114 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 3: I'm trying to get that value, and so you want 115 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 3: to have the warches pool. You've talked about it with 116 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 3: Howie Roseman. How how he has always been good about 117 00:04:57,920 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 3: that part of it, making sure you talk about the 118 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:02,480 Speaker 3: w chess. In the event that you see something that 119 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 3: you want that you're willing you have enough ammunition to 120 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 3: make it happen. So it just depends from a philosophical standpoint, 121 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 3: what do you believe in UH, in terms of building 122 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 3: your team, and we're seeing a lot of different approaches 123 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 3: have a lot of success in this league. 124 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 1: It should frame how you look at the draft and 125 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:22,720 Speaker 1: draft day trades because when you see it just I mean, 126 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 1: the draft is a long affair. On Day three and 127 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: when we're sitting there in the fifth round and you go, oh, 128 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 1: this team traded up ten spots and the trem the 129 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:33,039 Speaker 1: team that traded down ten spots got a sixth round 130 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 1: or seventh round pick next year, and you think, oh, whatever. 131 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: You know. Then you get to the trade deadline the 132 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: following year and you see that sixth round pick goes 133 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 1: to get a nickel corner, UH that can help you 134 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 1: on the back half of the season, and help you, 135 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 1: you know, go make the playoffs, and. 136 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:49,919 Speaker 3: That's what it is, and it's the constant turning of 137 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 3: the roster for some teams. 138 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:55,919 Speaker 2: And particularly look, being in Green Bay, Ron. 139 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 3: Wolf would always make a move down the stretch to 140 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 3: help the team make co postseason run. He would always 141 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:04,160 Speaker 3: try and find a veteran ADI acquired that he could 142 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 3: just have in the bullpen just in case. And we're 143 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:10,599 Speaker 3: seeing some teams do that. Sometimes it's also securing a 144 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:13,160 Speaker 3: young player that you want that you think in your 145 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 3: system he can develop and be a valuable contributor down 146 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:18,479 Speaker 3: the line. You just want to have the flexibility, and 147 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:21,479 Speaker 3: so the trade deadline, having a bunch of picks gives 148 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 3: you the flexibility to make those moves when they come up. 149 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, man, no question. Let's get into some of these 150 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: teams that have Let's start on the positive side of things, 151 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 1: teams that have exceeded their expectations at this point in 152 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 1: time in the season. And I'll give you I'll give 153 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: you some contenders here, Buck, and you tell me the 154 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 1: one that's that's maybe exceeded at the most that's been 155 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:45,799 Speaker 1: the most surprising. We can start in the NFC, obviously, 156 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:47,599 Speaker 1: the Commanders being at six and two. 157 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:48,599 Speaker 2: Let's just stop there. 158 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think I don't know that there's 159 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: another one you can put up there. 160 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 3: Look at them, not only in terms of a few 161 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 3: different things going to play one. Adam Peters is a 162 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:00,479 Speaker 3: friend of ours and so we've seen him kind of 163 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 3: put it together. To see him have his opportunity to 164 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 3: run a show and to see how they've responded right 165 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 3: away is impressive too. Dan Quinn getting a second opportunity 166 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 3: to be a head coach, what he has done from 167 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 3: a cultural standpoint to get that team up and gone. 168 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 3: But let's really talk about where it starts, and that's 169 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 3: the quarterback. The fact that they nail the quarterback in 170 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 3: the draft. Jade and Daniels and I think it's really 171 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 3: important that people understand your team will tell you everything 172 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 3: that you want to know about your franchise quarterback. When 173 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 3: you hear the way that his teammates revere him, the 174 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 3: way they talk about him being a legend, a superstar, 175 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 3: a franchise got all of those things. Well, we're seven 176 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 3: eight games into the season and they're already putting that 177 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 3: on them, and the legend only grows. Dahill Mary has 178 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 3: only sent him to the stratosphere when it comes to 179 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 3: being a superhero. 180 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 2: DJ. 181 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 3: It just tells you how valuable it is when you 182 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 3: have one of those guys. And what I mean by 183 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 3: guys like not one that you're manufacturing, like, oh, I 184 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 3: think he might be. When you have a legitimate guy, 185 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 3: it changes the play to the franchise, and it changes 186 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 3: it for the next decade. The Washington Redskins barn injury 187 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 3: to Jayden Daniels, they're going to be in the conversation 188 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 3: in terms of being one of those contenders because the 189 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 3: quarterback is that special. 190 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. No, that yeah, I was telling some of the other day. 191 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 1: It changes the offense, it changes the team, it changes 192 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: the organization, it changes the city. One guy. Well, that's 193 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 1: the power of that position in that sport. 194 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 3: And I want everyone to go back when you have 195 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 3: an opportunity to look at the hill, Mary, I don't 196 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:36,719 Speaker 3: want you to look down the field. I want you 197 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 3: to look at the effort that the offensive line was 198 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 3: making on that last play. 199 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 2: DJ. When they believe in the quarterback, the effort is different. 200 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 3: I mean, those guys are given everything to give Jayden 201 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 3: and Daniels an opportunity to throw it down the field. 202 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 3: To me, that speaks volumes about how they feel about 203 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:55,560 Speaker 3: number five and what they believe that he can do 204 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 3: for their franchise. 205 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: And no doubt, you know, when you go through the NFC. 206 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 1: The other I would say the surprise and you could 207 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 1: spin it as a positive, I guess. But we look 208 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 1: at the NFC wes the Cardinals at four and four, 209 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:10,679 Speaker 1: the Niners at four and four, the Seahawks at four 210 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 1: and for the Rams three and four right there. So, 211 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 1: but you look at the Arizona Cardinals, I guess that 212 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 1: would be a surprise with them being right up there 213 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 1: in the mix, you know, at the very top of 214 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 1: the division with the crowd of teams. 215 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, a couple of things when I think about with 216 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:25,439 Speaker 2: the Cardinals. 217 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 3: One, give Jonathan Gannon and money out sid for it credit, 218 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 3: but really back into a quarterback early. 219 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 2: There's a lot of conversation about the Cardinals. 220 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 3: Should move on from Kyler Murray, he's not the right 221 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 3: fit for them and those things. Second year removed from 222 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 3: the Aco injury, he's back to kind of being the 223 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 3: player that we saw early in his career. Two Marvin Harrison, Junr. 224 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 3: Even though it's taking them a while to figure it out, 225 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 3: the value that he gives them on the perimeter. He 226 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 3: makes the offense so much better because you have to 227 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 3: respect his ability to make things happen on the perimeter. 228 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 3: That creates opportunities for James Connor and others. Then an 229 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 3: imperfect team, but you've just seen the quarterback and the 230 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 3: number one playmaker. How they make a difference in setting 231 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 3: the table for everybody else on offense. 232 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, there's no question about it. You go over 233 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 1: to the AFC, it's tough to find. My I would 234 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 1: say high level surprises there. I would put the Denver 235 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: Broncos right there at the top of the Lisbian five 236 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 1: and three at this point in time. 237 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, And my thing about the Denver Broncos, and we 238 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 3: talked about this in the run up to the draft. 239 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:32,959 Speaker 3: We talked about this quarterback class and how six guys 240 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:34,959 Speaker 3: were worthy of going in the first round and bow 241 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 3: Knicks in the experience DJ At the end of the year, 242 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 3: if the Broncos trend to where they have a winning 243 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 3: season or their competitive or in the postseason, it is 244 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 3: another I would say, another sign of evidence that you 245 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 3: want a quarterback that has significant experience in college. Bow 246 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 3: Nick's being able to jump in handle all the things 247 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 3: that Sean Payton wants them to handle as what the 248 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 3: managerial quarterback, the playmaking quarterback will Wherever you see bo Nicks, 249 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 3: to me, it's a testament to the significant snaps that 250 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 3: they had in college. Maybe it changes a little bit 251 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 3: in terms of the way that we evaluate the position. 252 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 3: I want guys who have gone through struggles that have 253 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 3: gone have come out on the other side in college 254 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 3: because it gives me visual evidence that they're going to 255 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 3: be okay in the pros when it's a little bumpy, 256 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 3: because remember it was bumpy for bow Knicks for a 257 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 3: few weeks. 258 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 2: Had a little situation with Sean Payton on the sideline. 259 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 3: But because he's been calloused enough through his collegiate years, 260 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 3: he's able to bounce back and he's able to play 261 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 3: at a high level without all of that stuff affecting 262 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 3: him negative. 263 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:41,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think also just the you know, I know 264 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 1: they had the issue on the sideline you just reference, 265 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 1: but the belief of the guy who picked you, and 266 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 1: that is one of the interesting things. And we've always 267 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 1: talked about the you know, the different ways teams set 268 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 1: it up. Who has the power in the organization is 269 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 1: you know, we, you know, kind of come more from 270 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 1: the general manager has the power. They work in concert 271 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 1: with the coaches, but they pick the players. They don't 272 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 1: interfere with playtime and those things. Coaches, you know, have that, 273 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 1: But then there's other organizations where the coach is a 274 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 1: very powerful figure. You saw it, I guess with Mike Holmwren. 275 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 1: You look at this situation. I mean, there's no question 276 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 1: Sean Payton's got all the juice there. So when you 277 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: do pick a quarterback, you know, when you're the quarterback 278 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 1: that gets picked, like, Hey, the guy calling the plays 279 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:25,680 Speaker 1: believes in me. I'm the guy he wanted, I'm the 280 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:28,679 Speaker 1: guy he targeted. This wasn't something that was handed down 281 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 1: from upstairs, and I got to coach this kid, like 282 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 1: there's a belief there and there's a confidence I think 283 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: that comes with that. 284 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 3: And it's funny because I was listening to this podcast 285 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 3: with Alex Smith and he was talking about coaches coming 286 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 3: either from a negative slint or positive slant, and he 287 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 3: talked about how so many of the NFL coaches that 288 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 3: he's been around have been so negative, but it wasn't 289 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 3: until he really had the positivity from an Andy Reid 290 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 3: type that built him up, that showed him how to 291 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 3: do it. 292 00:12:57,920 --> 00:12:58,199 Speaker 2: DJA. 293 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 3: It's a real thing terms of the belief and how 294 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 3: we talk about pro athletes and all these teams, but 295 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 3: they're no different than the guys that play on your 296 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 3: little league teams or pony league or whatever. They need 297 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 3: to feel like the coach really believes that they can 298 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 3: do special stuff, and the people in the building have 299 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 3: to have a sense of belief that the quarterback and 300 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 3: the player or whatever. We talk about conviction when we 301 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:23,680 Speaker 3: make a pick, or conviction when you're scouting, you're selling 302 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 3: the pick. Everyone needs to be convicted once we pick 303 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:29,680 Speaker 3: the player that he's going to be successful and our 304 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 3: job is to give him every opportunity to succeed. He 305 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 3: has to feel that, particularly when you talk about a 306 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 3: franchise quarterback or whatever. It really matters in terms of 307 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 3: that belief. They have to feel like everyone is rooting 308 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:45,320 Speaker 3: for them, not against him because maybe you didn't see 309 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 3: them in a particular round or value or. 310 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 2: The right guy or whatever. 311 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, no question. I think again, you could even say 312 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 1: the same thing about guys that are veterans that have 313 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 1: been acquired. I think you could see Jared Goff with 314 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:58,680 Speaker 1: the belief that Detroit had in him. Now that's taking 315 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 1: his player whole new level. It's a big part of 316 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 1: it doesn't often get mentioned. All Right, we're gonna take 317 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 1: a quick break. We come back a little hot or 318 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: not on some players. We'll get into who's on a 319 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: nice little heater right now? Right after this, all right, 320 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 1: bucket's time for Hot or Not, brought to you by 321 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: Wasabi Hot Cloud Storage. Looking at some players coming off 322 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 1: big weeks, big games. We just mentioned Bone, he would 323 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: definitely be a candidate twenty eight for thirty seven to 324 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 1: eighty four to three touchdowns, so the year one on 325 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 1: the ground, great week for him. A couple other quarterbacks 326 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 1: I would point out Matthew Stafford two hundred and sevent 327 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: nine yards, four touchdowns, interception against the Vikings team that 328 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 1: you know, is really one of the best teams in 329 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 1: a defense people had really struggled against. But Matthew Stafford 330 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: got things rolling and just reminded everybody. Again, if you're 331 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 1: just talking about pure talent, it's a very short list 332 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 1: of people that would be ahead of Matthew Stafford. Not now, 333 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 1: but really in the history of the game. 334 00:14:57,480 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 2: Look, this dude is terrific. 335 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 3: He's going to go down as one of the all timers, 336 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 3: right in terms of just like the talent and putting 337 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 3: it together in those things and the thing about like 338 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 3: Matthew Stafford that you appreciate, I don't think I appreciated 339 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 3: the toughness part of the situation. You know what I'm saying, Like, 340 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 3: just what he's able to do, what he's able to bring, 341 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 3: how important it is to the quarterback position. You talk 342 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 3: about that all the time, DJ, I don't know if 343 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 3: I don't know if we give it enough weight when 344 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 3: we're talking about the people at a position. 345 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 1: Do you remember in Detroit when I think it might 346 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 1: even have been a thanks was it a Thanksgiving Day 347 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 1: game when a shoulder came out? 348 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 2: Oh, Jim Schwartz, Yeah, yeah, I'm not coming out. I'm 349 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 2: not getting out the game. 350 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 1: I got coming through the game winner right after that. 351 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: Like that, it's a crazy and that's why, again not 352 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 1: to get off track, but like that play is a 353 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 1: play I would show to Anthony Richardson okay and be 354 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: like like, look at this is what this position is 355 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 1: supposed to look like. You can't do that. You can't 356 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 1: tap out because you're tired. 357 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 3: And so we referenced Steve Young talking about not over 358 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 3: my dead body. Yes, and we're not talking about literally, 359 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 3: but in a way we are like your franchise quarterback. 360 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 2: Like that's kind of what it is. 361 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 3: Like part of the reason people really get excited about 362 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 3: Tom Brady and Roethlisberger and even to a lesser stent 363 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 3: Eli Manning, the starting quarterback has to show up and 364 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 3: take the ball every week. 365 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 2: Like, that's the expectation. 366 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 1: I say with Justin Herbert, he's been beat up the 367 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 1: last couple of years. 368 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 3: Every week, the expectation is that the starting quarterback, the 369 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 3: franchise quarterback, shows up. Doesn't matter what the situation is, 370 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 3: doesn't matter what the team's record is. You go down 371 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 3: with the ship. And so when he comes out voluntarily 372 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 3: because he's tired, man, it's just a bad look. And 373 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 3: I'm be honest with you, did it. It's hard to 374 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 3: shake that. It's hard to shake that in the locker room. 375 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 3: You heard former players, You've heard everyone talk about, like, 376 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 3: what are we talking about? How can you stand in 377 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 3: front of the team when you tap out and the 378 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 3: offensive line and not tap Yeah, but Matthew Stafford, the 379 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 3: toughness thing is real. You have to have that. It 380 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 3: is a prerequisite to being a stellar player at the position. 381 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 2: If you're not tough, you have no chance. 382 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 1: I would also give the next guy here a little 383 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:17,880 Speaker 1: nod on the toughness, and that's Kirk Cousins coming back 384 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:20,120 Speaker 1: from an injury, is really playing well? Two hundred seventy 385 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 1: six yards four touchdowns against the Bucks. Is this something 386 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 1: that you think he he maintains this this year and 387 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 1: then can get you another year. So PANICX gets two 388 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 1: years to sit. Do you think that's a timeline? 389 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 2: I think so? Why not? 390 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 3: Why why would you move on from it? There was 391 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 3: something that they saw that made them want Kirk Cousins. 392 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:41,440 Speaker 3: There's also things that we've seen the development of the quarterback, 393 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:46,119 Speaker 3: being able to slowly incorporate him into the thing as 394 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 3: opposed to being rushed being rushed onto the field. This 395 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 3: gives Michael Pennis a true opportunity to acclimate to the 396 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 3: pro game. And people say, oh, you can't get better 397 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 3: in practice. I don't believe that you can't get better 398 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:58,199 Speaker 3: in practice. You can't get used to the speed and 399 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 3: the timing of the game. By being around pro every day. 400 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:03,919 Speaker 3: You can steal from Kirk Cousins in terms of his 401 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 3: preparation routine and. 402 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 2: How he gets ready to play a game. 403 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 3: Man, what a better way to learn than to see 404 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 3: a pros pro do it each and every day, each 405 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:18,640 Speaker 3: and every week, to see how he gets ready to prepare. 406 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 3: Michael Pennix is getting graduate school learning. So if I'm 407 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:24,640 Speaker 3: the Falcons, yeah, there's no rush to get Michael Pennix 408 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 3: on the field. If Kirk Cousins is playing at a 409 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 3: high level, you continue to roll with it. You already 410 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 3: have that money ear mark, so you might as well 411 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 3: roll with it. The way the contract were structured, you 412 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:36,640 Speaker 3: knew it would be potentially at least two years, so'll 413 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:37,160 Speaker 3: go with it. 414 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:41,439 Speaker 1: There's a chance we see that situation play out with 415 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 1: a two year pause and Michael Pennix at the start 416 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 1: of his career. JJ McCarthy in Minnesota that could be 417 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: a two year pause in his career as well. 418 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:54,640 Speaker 2: Why not? Like Sam Donald's playing great now. 419 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 1: The thing about Sam you have to bring it back 420 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:59,440 Speaker 1: on a franchise, probably franchise number next year. 421 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to. 422 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 3: You have to figure out how do you keep him around? 423 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 3: You slap the tag like what do you do to 424 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 3: keep Sam Donald around? 425 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 2: But why not? JJ? 426 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 3: McCarthy's coming off an injury. Yes, you eventually want to 427 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 3: hand him the keys to the franchise. But this team 428 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 3: is competitive. They didnt playoff contention. They're doing good things 429 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:17,920 Speaker 3: with Sam Donald a quarterback. There's not a rush DJ 430 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:21,440 Speaker 3: to me, this is the luxury that all teams should want. 431 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:25,880 Speaker 3: I have a good quarterback with a promising prospect behind him. 432 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 3: That's kind of what you want if we think about 433 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:31,959 Speaker 3: the collegiate model, where you have like, hey, I got 434 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 3: the hot shot senior quarterback. I got to red shirt 435 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 3: freshman or sophomore developing behind him. Man, I'm a hind 436 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:41,680 Speaker 3: seamless transition. That's what you want. You don't want to 437 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:43,679 Speaker 3: have to go to the draft without a quarterback. You 438 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:45,479 Speaker 3: want to have all that already in the building when 439 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 3: you phase out of one and move in today Up. 440 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:49,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, well I think it's a great situation. I'm with 441 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 1: you one hundred percent. That was this week's Hot or 442 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:55,399 Speaker 1: Not segment, brought to you by with Sabbi Hot Cloud Storage, 443 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: Store more and do more with your data. Try them 444 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 1: for free. It was Sabby dot Buck. This is uh. 445 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 1: This is that time of year where I feel like 446 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 1: you'll start to see you know, we talked about contenders 447 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 1: kind of separating themselves. I always keep my eye on, 448 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:13,880 Speaker 1: like if you're if you're looking at the long term, 449 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 1: if we're in scouting and we're buying futures, right we're 450 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 1: trying to look at the teams that have a chance 451 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 1: to get it going. Maybe they're not there yet, but 452 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 1: they'll get to get it going. I'm keeping an eye 453 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 1: on some of these teams that you kind of know 454 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 1: in the locker room not going to the playoffs this year. 455 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 1: But what what teams make a push and are competitive 456 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 1: and maybe try and get on a heater on the 457 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 1: back half to get ready for next year. And what 458 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 1: teams pack it up, pack it in? And uh, that's 459 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:41,959 Speaker 1: what I'm keeping an eye I've got I'm not going 460 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:44,439 Speaker 1: to say them, I've got some teams in mind I 461 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:47,640 Speaker 1: think might be packing it in. But uh, we'll see 462 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 1: here in the next couple. 463 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:50,719 Speaker 3: Years a team that could get on a heater. And 464 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 3: this is a surprise that I think. It's a surprise 465 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:56,120 Speaker 3: that I don't know people talked about it, but I'm 466 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:58,119 Speaker 3: saying to Cleveland, Brows are a completely different team with 467 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:04,119 Speaker 3: James West, completely different team offense, looks different. They're vertical 468 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:07,159 Speaker 3: passing game, all this stuff, and look, he's going to 469 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:08,160 Speaker 3: turn the ball over. 470 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:10,919 Speaker 2: But there's a different feel to me. 471 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 3: They have a feel that maybe they could get going, 472 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 3: maybe not good enough to get into the postseason, but 473 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 3: enough where they have some hope and optimism going into 474 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 3: the next year, maybe with Jamis Winston installed as your start. 475 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: Well, the challenge is going to be this buck when 476 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: we look at the defense, the money, the quarterback, the money, Well, 477 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 1: here's here's I'm gonna be there this week, and they don't. 478 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 1: They're not going to care. I mean, so Aciliano will 479 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:40,959 Speaker 1: care as someone who's calling the games, because I got 480 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 1: a chance to catch up with him. This is a 481 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 1: Chargers defense giving up thirteen points a game, best in 482 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:50,680 Speaker 1: the league. So this is this is going to be 483 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: a quick It's going to be a quick jury here 484 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 1: on whether Jamis and the and the Cleveland offense, whether 485 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 1: this thing is, whether it's real because this is a 486 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 1: defense played really really well. Men is good man. So 487 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 1: you know he goes out there and they they torched 488 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:08,400 Speaker 1: the Chargers, then I'll be like, Okay, I'm let's see 489 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 1: what happens with Cleveland. I'm interested, but that's tough test. 490 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 2: Look tough test. 491 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 3: But we've seen Jamis which Jamis is going to show 492 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:18,959 Speaker 3: up the dubs? 493 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,680 Speaker 2: But did Jamis that is turning it over all over 494 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:24,440 Speaker 2: the place and go to watch? Give me somebody else? 495 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:25,919 Speaker 2: Who else? Who else? Do you think can kind of 496 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 2: get on a heater down the stretch? 497 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 1: Well? What I mean teams that you look at, I 498 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 1: might look I've talked about the Chargers and I'm not 499 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:35,920 Speaker 1: being a homer, but you just look at kind of 500 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 1: the schedule and they're home pretty much after this week. 501 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,399 Speaker 1: I think they're home the whole month of November, so 502 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 1: they've got a chance to go on a little bit 503 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 1: of a run. Here I'm still waiting. 504 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 2: You know. 505 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 1: It's weird. There's some things you think, Oh, they're getting 506 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,159 Speaker 1: ready to go on a run because you know, they 507 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 1: haven't been playing well and they can all of a 508 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:55,879 Speaker 1: sudden get hot. And I'm like, well, the Texans just 509 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 1: haven't been playing well, but they're winning games. So they're 510 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 1: at the Jets. That's coming up to Thursday night, right, 511 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:04,959 Speaker 1: So we've got that Thursday night, or they have a 512 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:09,879 Speaker 1: tough game against Detroit if they can get through that Cowboys, 513 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:15,679 Speaker 1: who are struggling, Tennessee, struggling, Jacksonville struggling, Bye week, Miami struggling. 514 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 1: Like then they finish up the season. They got a 515 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,439 Speaker 1: couple bangers there with Kansas City and Baltimore before finishing 516 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,120 Speaker 1: up with Tennessee. But they could we could look up 517 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:27,880 Speaker 1: and they could be you know, ten and two, ten 518 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 1: and three with Houston. It's just they're a weird team 519 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,880 Speaker 1: because they're winning, but they're not playing great. 520 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 2: They're not playing great, and that's what's so weird. I 521 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 2: will say this. 522 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,199 Speaker 3: You think about what Joe Mixon has been able to 523 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 3: do the running game, balancing that out, forcing CJ. Stroud 524 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 3: to play without like elite playmakers on the outside because 525 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 3: Nico Collins, maybe Stephan Diggs both are out. That could 526 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 3: help him learning how to play, learn how to do 527 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:58,400 Speaker 3: more with less again and then get back to being balanced. 528 00:23:58,400 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 2: But their defense is lights out. Man. 529 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,120 Speaker 3: Nko Ryans has them as a plan. I mean they are. 530 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 3: They're really difficult team. And at the end of the day, DJ, 531 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:07,680 Speaker 3: we can talk about they're not playing well or whatever. 532 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 3: They keep stacking Dubbs and in this league, at the 533 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,719 Speaker 3: end of the day, man, the result matters, and as 534 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,920 Speaker 3: long as they're stacking dubs and then they catch fire 535 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 3: right at the end of the season. That's what you 536 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 3: want going into the postseason. 537 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, they've got five one score wins. You know, a 538 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 1: lot of close games, but they're finding a way to 539 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 1: win them. So that's that's good to see. We'll see 540 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 1: if they get on a little run to close it out. 541 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 1: Anything else you want to have before we jump out 542 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 1: of here, Buck. 543 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 3: No, man, just it's funny to just watching these teams 544 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 3: and look, you're hoping already that you don't have people 545 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 3: making reservations for the U haul in those things. But 546 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:43,360 Speaker 3: it's a challenge. D We've been around losing teams and 547 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:45,920 Speaker 3: the hardest thing to do is to keep your guys 548 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 3: playing hard when it seems bleak in terms of the 549 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 3: playoff pitcher and you hate to think after eight games 550 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 3: that is bleak, but for some of them it's bleak. 551 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 1: That's Luke grayl Man is what it is. Man. All right, 552 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 1: We've got a couple of episodes coming here way this week. 553 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:02,199 Speaker 1: Appreciate you guys hanging with us. We'll see you next 554 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 1: time right here on Move the sticks. 555 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:25,359 Speaker 3: Hmm.