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Speaker 3: topic that's been sweeping a content starved nation this week.

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Speaker 3: Are black people or white people better at playing football?

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Speaker 2: Rashard menden Hall to say, that's it. I've seen enough.

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Speaker 2: We need a race war, like, like, well, how did

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Speaker 3: I would bet money it was danlo.

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Speaker 5: Knows a ship though, man.

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Speaker 3: I menden Hall.

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Speaker 2: I know where the out of bounds is at the

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Speaker 3: But I don't know. It's just been an enjoyable week

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Speaker 3: of it felt a little bit like a throwback Twitter moment.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, I'm not real confident. I might ask

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Speaker 3: I don't like the.

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Speaker 4: Gotta shed that whiteness. That's what.

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Speaker 3: No. I don't like. I don't like our chances.

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Speaker 4: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, I mean, let's we're real team.

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Speaker 2: The Blacks is white, the team whites up. But and

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Speaker 2: I'm not sleeping on team wise, right, they will put

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Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like like fucking Cooper, Cup

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Speaker 2: and Deer and the ship.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, it's bro that that secondary. Who the fuck?

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Speaker 2: Jason Seahorn was the last white dB to start in

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Speaker 5: Like, come on, man, they said, I like.

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Speaker 3: McCaffrey playing both ways. He's He's like, well, we got

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Speaker 3: the best running back in the league. He's just gonna have.

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Speaker 5: To play safety. Fast.

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Speaker 2: White guys, you know, to the front of the line.

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Speaker 5: Get your ass back there.

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Speaker 2: Your week's assignment is cheetah, Like, come on, man, and

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Speaker 2: and and and and cornerback. You just cannot stick cornerbacks

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Speaker 2: and they do it backwards like it's perhaps the most

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Speaker 5: So yeah, I mean that that's where Team White would

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Speaker 3: Special teams.

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Speaker 2: The question, the question was, yeah, you know, lunch pail

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Speaker 5: That was a valid question brought up. And I think there.

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Speaker 2: Should be a draft, right and I think, of course

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Speaker 3: And having to call it even over the first pick.

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Speaker 2: No, that's why I was saying you might have to

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Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: So will then will say if you use nigga or not?

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Speaker 1: He didn't say nigga, but if you use nigga or not,

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Speaker 1: if you are comfortable saying that or not. I think

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Speaker 5: You know what I means on this side?

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Speaker 3: You know, come on, if you're if you're saying Bubba's,

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Speaker 3: if you're saying Bubba's exclusively, you're over here with me exclusively.

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Speaker 4: You can say bubbas but exclusively. You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: You're anti in word? You feel me? I don't know, man, So.

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Speaker 2: Does Max Crosby go to Team black? Lin If that's

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Speaker 2: rusher Man, we'll take him over here.

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Speaker 3: Cut then getting real thin over here. The other question

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Speaker 3: I've seen that dudes go with.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if anything, when it comes to dudes,

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Speaker 1: we let them make that decisions themselves. Let'd be out

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Speaker 1: here saying nigga and niggas, don't be saying nothing.

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Speaker 4: Give it in the buck. That decision, brother, They make

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Speaker 4: that decision, my brother.

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Speaker 3: They make the decision. And no one has ever told

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Speaker 3: No one's telling the Samoan dudes where they're going, you

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Speaker 3: know what I mean. It's like, yeah, they're gonna tell

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Speaker 4: Be Yeah, pretend, bro, we ain't gonn pretend.

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Speaker 3: Okay, well, what do we set the spread at thirteen

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Speaker 3: and a half?

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Speaker 3: You might have just really did something right there.

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Speaker 4: Race Wars.

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Speaker 3: I mean that's basically what galing on boxing was for

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's still kind of boxing.

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Speaker 4: Like there's always a great white hope out there.

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Speaker 2: It's a reason fucking Mayweather always, you know, try to

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Speaker 2: time his fights around Sanko Toma when he was fighting

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Speaker 2: Mexicans and ship right, like race wars a big business man.

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Speaker 5: We discussed this before.

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Speaker 2: We are very much we are very much a pro

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Speaker 2: race war for the economic stimulus of sports league. That's

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Speaker 2: what we were tapped in for. Motherfucking you know. Caitlyb

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right, way all right, We're.

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Speaker 5: Just gonna walk away from the race war now next

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Speaker 5: time that what you got?

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Speaker 4: What you got, man, I put you on the spot.

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Speaker 3: I'm chewing on it a little bit here. Well, congratulations

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Speaker 3: do Is Tayler. Congratulations to team the Blacks on your

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Speaker 3: Let's talk about how crazy football coaches are, did you

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Speaker 5: That's honesty. I gotta respect it.

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Speaker 4: He lets you know what time was with him. You

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Speaker 3: I do believe that he's being honest, and that is

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Speaker 3: why football coaches I would say this. There's exactly the

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Speaker 3: don't need to be more people who think that way.

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Speaker 3: We have the exact right number. All right. We had

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Speaker 3: some great basketball games last night return of John Morant.

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Speaker 3: We also had a real throwback night in the Bay,

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Speaker 3: the Warriors winning against the Celtics in overtime. Yet another

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Speaker 3: the Celtics are too good to beat reverse to tweet

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Speaker 3: by me working immediately, which I appreciated, But Steph was

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Speaker 3: these nights when you get a night like that from

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's you know exactly what you mentioned, like

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Speaker 5: You know, the Warriors run as a competitor might be over.

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Speaker 2: Steph is still a god though, and you know that's

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Speaker 5: I ain't my motherfucking problem.

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Speaker 2: But the point being, the point being, it's just one

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Speaker 1: So like even when Steph was playing good basketball, he's

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Speaker 1: But I mean, yeah, I think it's unfortunate that the

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Speaker 4: I'm well past that, Bro.

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Speaker 1: I've been to the point where just something just the

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Speaker 1: We don't know what they're gonna do. They're in a

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Speaker 1: I told you, like we you know what my point is.

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Speaker 1: And now you know he won the Chip and you know,

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Speaker 1: now he's a much better player than KD, like you

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Speaker 2: I mean, the these three have been like, you know,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I would say, you know.

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Speaker 3: As great as Gianni's, great as yokich is. We were

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Speaker 3: Stephan Kd's league in my opinion.

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Speaker 4: You can look at the shoe units.

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Speaker 2: just go back to last post season, that game seven

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Speaker 5: Ever of all time, you know what I mean? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Right, So, so you know Steph is still still killing

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Speaker 2: don't think it's a slight at all to say you're

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Speaker 2: Like I said, the needle move for Steph in twenty

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Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, you say it needle moved enough to where

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Speaker 3: But I also think there's a difference between like who

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Speaker 3: disagree with John saying he thinks KD is the greatest

437
00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,680
Speaker 3: scorer in the history of the game. I just think

438
00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:01,960
Speaker 3: if you have one guy who's been in a spot

439
00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:05,000
Speaker 3: and been successful in that spot before and after KD,

440
00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:06,960
Speaker 3: was that. Like, I think that's the stuff as well

441
00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:12,000
Speaker 3: as we talked about the avalanche of statistics around the

442
00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:14,720
Speaker 3: three ball that Steph is putting up right like he's

443
00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:18,920
Speaker 3: he's already six hundred whatever past everyone in career three

444
00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:22,160
Speaker 3: pointers made. His longest three point streak is more than

445
00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:25,240
Speaker 3: two times as far as the next closest players. So

446
00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,480
Speaker 3: there's stuff like that that I think just piles up

447
00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,880
Speaker 3: over the years, even in a way that the performances

448
00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:32,800
Speaker 3: in the playoffs and stuff, it's almost separate from that.

449
00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:35,800
Speaker 1: I think the thing is like in career, that's the

450
00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:39,119
Speaker 1: argument for Jordan or like I think Jordan had a

451
00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:42,320
Speaker 1: better career than Lebron, even though Lebron's a better basketball player,

452
00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:45,440
Speaker 1: you feel me, And so like with Kate, with Steph,

453
00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,040
Speaker 1: I think Steph has a better career than KD. Even

454
00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:52,359
Speaker 1: if I'm picking a player, I pick KD on my team,

455
00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:55,160
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So, like I think that's

456
00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:58,000
Speaker 1: so I'm staying consistent in how I think. But what

457
00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:00,240
Speaker 1: was interesting for me was the things y'all were talking

458
00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,399
Speaker 1: about where he consistent with the argument you make for

459
00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:05,760
Speaker 1: Lebron and Jordan. And I'm not saying that's wrong, you

460
00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:07,879
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like I said that they're so close.

461
00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,760
Speaker 1: You can decide how you feel or what makes you

462
00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,359
Speaker 1: feel that way, you know, and it doesn't have to

463
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,440
Speaker 1: be consistent with anything else. But my way of looking

464
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:16,920
Speaker 1: is I'm looking like when you look at the numbers

465
00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,320
Speaker 1: the way we think about KD, the numbers haven't shown it,

466
00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:22,880
Speaker 1: you feel me. We talk about him, you know, a

467
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,720
Speaker 1: Booker being the best player in that series, in the

468
00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,280
Speaker 1: playoffs with the Suns, Kate's still everge twenty nine fifty

469
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,760
Speaker 1: from the field. Like it's not like he's gotten any worse,

470
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:34,399
Speaker 1: you know, Like I think in the playoffs when we

471
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:36,560
Speaker 1: talk about he's not been the same playoff player. He

472
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,119
Speaker 1: aver his twenty six against the Subtances, which you struggle,

473
00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:42,040
Speaker 1: but other three series he evers thirty two and twenty

474
00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 1: nine and he has thirty four and twenty nine, and

475
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,480
Speaker 1: he ever thirty two the last year with the with

476
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:50,120
Speaker 1: the Warriors, And for me, it's like this, like since

477
00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:54,359
Speaker 1: he's left, like it's not been KD. It's been the

478
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,800
Speaker 1: ship that surround him has been a fucking mess, you

479
00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:58,960
Speaker 1: know what I mean? He I mean, no, I don't think.

480
00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,199
Speaker 1: I don't think Steph was in the Katie situation that

481
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:02,920
Speaker 1: makes it any better, you know what I mean? I

482
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,679
Speaker 1: think the way Booker was playing last year, he was

483
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 1: better than Steph was, And even though Steph had that

484
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,720
Speaker 1: fifty ball in the playoffs, Booker was maybe the best

485
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,439
Speaker 1: player in the playoffs during that while they were still playing.

486
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:14,199
Speaker 4: You feel me.

487
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 1: So, I think it's circumstantial why our perception has changed,

488
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:21,440
Speaker 1: But perception matters, and I think that's where it's that

489
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:22,919
Speaker 1: because when we look at the numbers, when we look

490
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 1: at what Katie's done, Kat's been just as good or

491
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,919
Speaker 1: even better in the playoffs, and when the when the

492
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,920
Speaker 1: inputs were the same at the Warriors, the output was

493
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 1: very different from Katie and Steph. KD was by far

494
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:37,720
Speaker 1: the better player, you feel me, at those when the

495
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,200
Speaker 1: when everything was the same, you know what I mean?

496
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,919
Speaker 1: But also, like you talked about, you said, those wins

497
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,439
Speaker 1: have it, those numbers have not been translated the wins,

498
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 1: and you know, there's certain things that Steph can do

499
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:53,399
Speaker 1: as far as facilitating. But also, like we talked about

500
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:55,719
Speaker 1: when he was playing the Celtics, Yeah, Steve Nash as

501
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,680
Speaker 1: a coach, like Nigga, we clown Steve Nash. And also

502
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:00,879
Speaker 1: that same year, one of the points was that he

503
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,679
Speaker 1: had Kyrie as a teammate. Niggas was clowning Kyrie in

504
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 1: the same year that Wiggins won, was potentially was competing

505
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 1: for Finals MVP until Steph went fucking Nuclei, you know

506
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 1: what I mean. So saying that, like you know, he

507
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 1: had Kyrie and then this Nigga brought Wiggins to the finals,

508
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 1: Like that's talking out of both ends, you know what

509
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 1: I'm saying, because we were saying Kyrie is not the

510
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:24,119
Speaker 1: same Kyrie, or people are questioning his whole legacy after

511
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,120
Speaker 1: how he performed in the playoffs, and they're talking about

512
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 1: how Wiggins really stepped up and was an All Star

513
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 1: caliber player, and we're just saying it's just Wiggins, Like

514
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,200
Speaker 1: Wiggins wasn't All Star and then average twenty five wasn't

515
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 1: almost wasn't buying for the finals MVP the first three

516
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,680
Speaker 1: games of that final series. So that's why I'm met

517
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 1: with it, you know what I mean. I just think

518
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 1: it's interesting how and why perception changes and how it's

519
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 1: changed so much. And I don't know if anybody's wrong.

520
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:51,880
Speaker 1: This is all subjective, but that's where I'm coming from

521
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 1: with it, because when you break it down, I understand

522
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 1: why kat KD is being KD and hasn't won, and

523
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 1: I understand why Steph has won. And I don't think

524
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 1: anything to do with Katie being worse than staff, you

525
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 1: know what I mean, whether being CUCU, whether you know,

526
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 1: that thing is more circumstantial.

527
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 4: So but all that matters, you know what I mean?

528
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:13,439
Speaker 3: Yeah? Right, And and I think that's the thing when

529
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,439
Speaker 3: you're evaluating careers like I we the three I know,

530
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 3: the three of us have talked about that, but like

531
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 3: seeing people go from the high school level the college

532
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 3: to the pros, you realize how much of that ship

533
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:28,360
Speaker 3: is chance. What if, like what if KD gets drafted

534
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:32,679
Speaker 3: by a team that is in a big market like

535
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:37,719
Speaker 3: the Warriors, that has stable ownership and a GM and

536
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:38,120
Speaker 3: it is.

537
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,120
Speaker 4: In you know, what I'm saying.

538
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,399
Speaker 3: We talked about like my friend Mercedes Lewis been in

539
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 3: the NFL, he's record setting for how long he's been

540
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,439
Speaker 3: in the NFL's titan. He was drafted by the Jaguars.

541
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 3: What if you've been drafted by the Patriots in two

542
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:52,919
Speaker 3: thousand and six, you know what I mean, Like, you

543
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 3: don't have any control over shit like that. It just happens.

544
00:25:56,240 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 3: But in evaluating careers, it does have to be. It

545
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 3: does have to be you know, factored in, which.

546
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 4: Is just not.

547
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,639
Speaker 1: But for for me, when we've talked about the best player,

548
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,639
Speaker 1: if we were talking careers, I would have gave Jordan that,

549
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like I think the careers

550
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 1: are closer than Stephan kd Ron and Jordan. I would

551
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 1: have said Jordan had a better career, you know what

552
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 1: I mean. That's six for six chips and the numbers

553
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 1: he put up, you know, like it's just hard to

554
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,679
Speaker 1: compete with that career. But as far as a player,

555
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 1: which I think is which is I think is more subjective.

556
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 1: I've generally been talking about top ten from the player standpoint,

557
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 1: where I think Lebron James is a better basketball player

558
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 1: and for me when I look at KD, I think

559
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,400
Speaker 1: KD is a better basketball player, but I think STEP's

560
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,360
Speaker 1: career is much better than Kd's and so like that's

561
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 1: what it was interesting for me when y'all are saying

562
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 1: to pass them to Step change basketball.

563
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:57,199
Speaker 4: Of course he's more important to the NBA than KD is.

564
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,440
Speaker 1: You can't repeat what Kate's done, can't be people STEP's done,

565
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 1: but STEP's done in a way that's changed or made

566
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 1: people feel like that short.

567
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a you know's not going to do with

568
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 4: Steph's done. Steps are fucking animal.

569
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 1: And also he's like mentally he's not normal, bro, he's

570
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 1: a sociopath in the court. You feel me he's a

571
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 1: very different person in person, but on the court, he's

572
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 1: a sociopath.

573
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 4: It's hard to replicate that, you feel what I'm saying.

574
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 1: But but yeah, I just feel like that's it's I

575
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 1: guess it's a circumstantial the career career wise, it's better,

576
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: But I don't. I thought we've always talking about them

577
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 1: as a player, not as a career. I mean players

578
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 1: that may have had better careers than bron that are

579
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 1: that aren't even put in.

580
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 4: The you know, like the the Goat conversation. You feel me.

581
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:42,919
Speaker 2: I mean I've been on the side that Steph had

582
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:46,400
Speaker 2: a better career than KD since like twenty fifteen. Right,

583
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 2: it's not It's not like Steph's career surpassed Kd's career

584
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:51,919
Speaker 2: and then that made me say, Okay, STEP's the better player.

585
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 2: It's just, you know, since they've parted ways, you know,

586
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 2: their bodies of work, you know, come compared to each other,

587
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 2: just the skill sets, you know, the actual basketball that

588
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 2: I'm seeing, I just think steps are pass them.

589
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:03,159
Speaker 5: Bro.

590
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's and that's and that's cool, that's cool.

591
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 1: But you know, like I said, I think the career

592
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 1: is much better. I sant this in twenty fifteen. Yeah, yeah,

593
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,120
Speaker 1: you know makes a thousand percent. I mean twenty sixteen

594
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: when he was that's when he was like what you know,

595
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 1: them's MVP, right yeah? Bro, Like come on, bro, you

596
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 1: feel me, Like, I don't think career wise as far

597
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 1: as accolades, you know, that's really ever gonna come to

598
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,239
Speaker 1: time out player and so like that's subjective. You think

599
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: it's a better player, cool, you know, I just I

600
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:30,919
Speaker 1: don't know if I'm gonna pick him first in a

601
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 1: top ten draft and top the draft of the top ten.

602
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: If it comes to like having somebody on my squad,

603
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 1: I need a fucking bucket. But as I said in

604
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 1: the when we were talking, basketball is just not just

605
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: about buckets, you know what I mean. Even though he's

606
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: the best bucketetter I've ever seen.

607
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 4: John's a hoop purist.

608
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 6: He also like really like loves Kyrie Irving right, like,

609
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 6: like I want these guys.

610
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 3: But Kyrie's politics, so it's the who's.

611
00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 4: That's a personal thing.

612
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 6: But like for real though, like John, you love guys

613
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 6: who like can do, like get anywhere they want to

614
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 6: go and rise up and get any type that's like

615
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 6: a genuine press like not just like a type of

616
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 6: player that you like.

617
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: I mean, the things I like about Kyrie are not

618
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 1: the ship that everybody talks about with Kyrie, you know

619
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:16,479
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like when everybody's talking about the handles

620
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: and all that shit. For me, it's like how he

621
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 1: uses his body at six' two and he bumps people

622
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 1: in the middle of their shuffle and gets him up

623
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 1: under the fucking rim and that's how he gets the shots.

624
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 1: Off like he's so like it's a there's a certain

625
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 1: way AND i don't know if you can teach.

626
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 4: Somebody to do the type of things that he.

627
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 1: Does it's not just he tricks you with the razzle

628
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 1: dazzle like the like it's it's a.

629
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 4: Magician it's a magic.

630
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 1: Trick Like i'm gonna do all these ball handling, things

631
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: but What i'm really special at Is i'm gonna use

632
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 1: my body to move you and use your size against

633
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 1: you to get you into the rim and get this

634
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 1: fucking bucket off with either, hand you know WHAT i.

635
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 1: Mean so that's WHAT i, love that little shit like,

636
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: that you know WHAT i. Mean that's WHY i love

637
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 1: these videos where it's slowed, down where you can see

638
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 1: the true, beauty the art of, it you. Know and

639
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 1: it's not just this keep crossing it off his. Foot,

640
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 1: no look at what he did with his, feet his

641
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 1: feet on his, side you know What i'm. Saying look

642
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 1: at what he did with his. Body AND i, think

643
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 1: LIKE i, mean as a purest steps the game is fucking.

644
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 1: Gorgeous AND i was talking about how LIKE i, THINK

645
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: i don't know if this was on cameraal, comer we

646
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 1: were talking About. Steph you, know you know you you

647
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 1: prefer we prefer more players he's not exciting inside the

648
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 1: three point, line but it's beautiful inside the three point.

649
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 4: Line What steph?

650
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: Does you know What i'm, Saying with his touch around the,

651
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Speaker 1: rim with this ability to use his, body with this,

652
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Speaker 1: timing you know WHAT i.

653
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 4: Mean, like so there's real beauty.

654
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: THERE i Think steph's no game is equally as gorgeous AS.

655
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Speaker 1: KDS i. DON'T i honestly don't know who's the best.

656
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 1: Player IF i had, to like somebody had, to you,

657
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 1: know like this is a better. PLAYER i just feel

658
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 1: like it's just, interesting how what what's? Changed even though

659
00:30:55,040 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: certain things speak speak you, know the opposite know What i'm,

660
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 1: saying or or certain things like the numbers don't say

661
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 1: what we feel or.

662
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 4: Think because from from from what y'all, SAID i understand

663
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 4: why y'all feeling. Thinking AND i said in about and

664
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 4: in A, TEXAS i was, LIKE i feel. It i'm

665
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 4: just wondering where it comes.

666
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 3: From some some history. Subjective some history is. Objective and

667
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 3: one objective piece of information is That John, morant with

668
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 3: thirty four points according to scored the most points in

669
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 3: a return game after missing twenty five plus straight games

670
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 3: in the history of the. League god bless whatever producer

671
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 3: had to scrape that ship out of traged and make

672
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 3: a graphic out of. It but salutes To. Jaw it

673
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 3: was a great first game. Back the game winner was super,

674
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 3: fun and, UH i don't personally go in for all

675
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 3: of THE i kept, receipts et, cetera et. Cetera like

676
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 3: no one Said jaw was bad at. Basketball But i'm

677
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 3: glad that he's back and, hopefully As tyler, said he's

678
00:31:55,880 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 3: gotten over HIS nba young boy. Addiction we can't return

679
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 3: to uh staying on the, court you, know fingers.

680
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 2: Crossed, YEAH i mean we all Love john on this, pod,

681
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 2: right like we all know, that you, know going back

682
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 2: to the discussion that we had with anif about how

683
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 2: how you know you usually have to walk that line of.

684
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 2: Empathy you, know there has to be something relatable, about you,

685
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 2: know when you want to get behind guys who are

686
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 2: going through, stuff And joao doesn't get that support because

687
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 2: it's you cannot relate to having an addiction to flashing

688
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 2: guns On instagram.

689
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 5: Like that is.

690
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 2: Shit it's a very unique thing that it's very easy

691
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 2: to not, do. Right so that's why you know the

692
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 2: shit with j'all was just like so frustrating because, bro

693
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 2: it was so easy to not flash guns On. Instagram

694
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 2: But i'm glad he's, back, man AND i think that

695
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 2: the kid is going to be just, fine and he

696
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 2: for sure he's still a. Hooper But i'm gonna say

697
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 2: some shit that's probably gonna sound like some nerd shit

698
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 2: and y'all might not even rock with. It i'm interested

699
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 2: in seeing the list of those players and their returns

700
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 2: after twenty five plus, games BECAUSE i think what a

701
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 2: lot of people were reading when they read that was

702
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 2: like twenty five games suspended and not twenty five games.

703
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 5: Missed And i'm. Interested i'm in just in actually seeing the.

704
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 2: List SO i think that taking a dial on that

705
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 2: would give you like a good snap shot on you,

706
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 2: know how difficult it is to get back in the, rhythm,

707
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 2: right because we'd see players who came back from injuries

708
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 2: and like, that and we'd see their scoring outputs in

709
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 2: their first. Game SO i think that would actually be

710
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 2: an interesting stat if we can get the.

711
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 1: LIST i think suspended would be easier to get back

712
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 1: in the rhythm than injury because you had to relearn

713
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: how to use your body in particular. WAYS a lot

714
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 1: of times when you have these, injuries depending on what

715
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: age you, are your body is.

716
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 4: Different you gotta get used to a different, body you

717
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 4: know WHAT i.

718
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 1: Mean but, YEAH i, MEAN i think the reason why

719
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 1: we were so what we were tripping was because he's

720
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 1: so good at, basketball was because we believed he was

721
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: so good at, basketball and you, know, so like the

722
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: received thing is just odd because we, believed, like, dude

723
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 1: he's the future of THE nba and he has an

724
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: addiction to showing guns on, camera you know WHAT i.

725
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: Mean it was just so to odd thing for somebody

726
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 1: as good as. Him, so but, YEAH i, mean, dude

727
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: what was interesting to me about that WAS i feel

728
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: like one game back game winner dropped what thirty, two

729
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 1: thirty four scored to what twenty? Seven and the second

730
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: half like took over that came back from twenty down and,

731
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 1: UH i, mean just one great. Performance and to, Me

732
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 1: i'm feeling, like, yo he's already, back like whatever the

733
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 1: fuck he, was well he was suspended For we're not

734
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: tripping off that, anymore you know WHAT i. Mean, like

735
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: so that was interesting to. Me how so quickly the

736
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: slate was white, clean AND i don't think it shouldn't.

737
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: BE i, mean he did the twenty five games and you,

738
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: know and now he's doing josh it again on the,

739
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 1: court you know WHAT i.

740
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 3: Mean, okay before we get out of, Here, tyler we've

741
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 3: got a hippiie.

742
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 5: Hop oh, yeah ooh, Good, yeah this hippity high.

743
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 3: All.

744
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 2: Right, so you, know one of the things that that

745
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 2: we discussed when, we you, know first started the segment

746
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 2: is you, know there's gonna be times where we look back,

747
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 2: on you, know certain things on certain, anniversaries and there's

748
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 2: as many times when we just us current events. Shit

749
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 2: and this is gonna be one of those signs where

750
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,720
Speaker 2: we discussed some current events shit on.

751
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 5: This week in The Hippity.

752
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 2: Hop On Monday december, eighteenth twenty twenty, three rap Legend

753
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 2: scarface performed on NPR's Tiny, desk a thirty one minute

754
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,320
Speaker 2: set that perfectly captured the essence Of scarface the, Rapper

755
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 2: scarface the producer and, instrumentalists And Brad jordan the. Person

756
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 2: we'll come back to the Actual tiny dest performance in a,

757
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 2: second but for, now let's do a bit of a

758
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 2: deep dive into the history and impact and influence on

759
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 2: the legend known As scarface Aka Face mob Aka face

760
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 2: Aka Brad. Jordan born and raised In, Houston scarface first

761
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 2: got his start on the local rap scene under the

762
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 2: moniker OF Dj, action serving as THE dj For Little

763
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 2: troy's independent Label Shortstop. Records during this, time he caught

764
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 2: the attention OF J, prince who had just started his

765
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 2: own fledgling rap, label much Like Little, troy by the

766
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 2: name of rap A Lot. RECORDS J prince had recently

767
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 2: put together a rap group that called themselves The Ghetto.

768
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 2: Boys After The Ghetto boys dropped their debut, album there

769
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,280
Speaker 2: was a falling out that costs two of the original

770
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 2: members to split ways with the. Group Jay prince was

771
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 2: on the prow looking to replace these, members AND Dj

772
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 2: Action demand later to be known As, scarface had released

773
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,240
Speaker 2: a single Titled Scarface that are Caught Jay prince's, attention

774
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 2: SO Dj action ended up rebranding himself As scarface and

775
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 2: Joining rap A Lot records And Ghetto boys along with

776
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,280
Speaker 2: new Member Willie di as. Well the group's first album

777
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 2: together was Titled grippet On That Other, level but their

778
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 2: true breakout moment came on their next, album nineteen ninety

779
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,839
Speaker 2: One's We Can't Be. Stopped the leadoff single from this

780
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 2: album is one of the most iconic songs in rap.

781
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 2: History My mind Is playing Tricks On, me with three

782
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 2: of the four verses on the song penned by a

783
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 2: twenty one year Old. Scarface Mind playing tricks On me

784
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,959
Speaker 2: is an old to, paranoia but a very unique type

785
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 2: of paranoida a paranoia that isn't necessarily rooted in, fear

786
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 2: but is instead a byproduct of how the trauma and

787
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 2: the weight of doing wrong can weigh so heavily on

788
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 2: one's subconscious that it can distort that person's perception of.

789
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:00,040
Speaker 2: Reality it's an ode to paranoia at a, score but

790
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 2: on a larger, scale it's an examination of mental, health

791
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 2: a theme that will become a staple In scarface's. Music,

792
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 2: now we had definitely seen rap records before that had

793
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 2: dealt with these issues of mental health and anxiety and.

794
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 2: Stress Grand Master flashing The Furious. Fives the message comes

795
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 2: to mind as the first ground baking record on this.

796
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 2: Subject you know we've all heard the. Song it contains

797
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 2: the classic chorus don't push me Because i'm close to the.

798
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 2: Edge i'm trying not to lose my. Head now My

799
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 2: mind Is playing tricks On me added a new dimension

800
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 2: to this. Conversation whereas the message is a song rooted

801
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 2: in the anxiety and stress that comes when you realize

802
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 2: you're close to reaching your breaking, Point Mind Playing tricks

803
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 2: offers the perspective that the scariest thing about actually reaching

804
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,720
Speaker 2: your breaking point is you don't realize it's already happened

805
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 2: until it's too. Late it's a harrowing tale that will

806
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 2: be somber as shit if it wasn't so damn. Catchy

807
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,399
Speaker 2: thinks of that unforgettable guitar riff that was sampled From

808
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 2: Isaac hayes Hung up On My. Baby Mind Playing tricks

809
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 2: On me was a, hit and The Ghetto boys and

810
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 2: the Front Man's scarface had a So scarface went on

811
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 2: to go solo that same. Year he has an, expansive

812
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 2: enterpressive catalog of twelve soul, albums but for the sake of,

813
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 2: brevity we'll touch on the two albums widely considered to

814
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 2: be his magnum. Opuses nineteen ninety four Is The diary

815
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 2: and two thousand and two Is The. Fix brief synopsis

816
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 2: On The, diary released in nineteen ninety, four with one

817
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 2: of his most successful, SINGLES I seen A Man Die

818
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:24,240
Speaker 2: this Was scarface's third solo. Album frequent collaborator N ojo

819
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 2: was on the boards for a bulk of the production

820
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 2: of this, album along with a newcomer by the name

821
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 2: Of Mike. Dean the second single would be hand of

822
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:36,240
Speaker 2: The Dead Body Escaping commentary On american government and critics

823
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 2: of rap, music Featuring Ice cube and another newcomer on

824
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 2: the chorus by the name Of devin The. Dude in

825
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,479
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety, four which was one of the greatest years

826
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 2: on rap history where we saw debuts From Biggie, Nas

827
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 2: outcasts and Bone, thugs A diary held his own as

828
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 2: one of the best.

829
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 5: Releases of that stellar.

830
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 2: Year so before he fast forward to two thousand and

831
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 2: two to his other Magnum opus To, fix let's examine

832
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 2: the trajectory Of scarface's career during those. Years so after The,

833
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 2: diary he Dropped untouchable in nineteen ninety, seven featuring his

834
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 2: highest charting, Single, smile which featured the recently departed Two Pakshak.

835
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 2: Cord the album contains Classic scarface tracks such As Mary

836
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 2: jane And old To marijuana that will go on to

837
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 2: be famously sampled By Ashanti's Baby Baby. Baby he would

838
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,959
Speaker 2: Drop My homies in nineteen ninety, eight a double disc

839
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 2: focused on highlighting well his, homies and in two thousand

840
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 2: he would Released last of A Dying, breed which is

841
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 2: one of my personal. Favorites so this brings us to

842
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 2: two thousand and Twos The. Fix The, fix in my,

843
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 2: opinion is the best Album scarface ever gave us and one,

844
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 2: of if not the best rap album of that, decade

845
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 2: coming in at a lean thirteen tracks in forty five.

846
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 2: Minutes there is no filler on this. Album it's nothing

847
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 2: short of. Perfect the production is carried here By mike

848
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 2: dean tea mix Of Suave, house who we mentioned on

849
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 2: the previous episode when we discussed his production On carter

850
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 2: Two unsung legend right there shouta team mix The neptunes

851
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 2: and another up and comer who was making his name

852
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,879
Speaker 2: known off the production he had done With, rockefeller by

853
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 2: the name Of Kanye. West fix is the Consummate scarface

854
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 2: album in my, opinion where he is perfectly revisiting the

855
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 2: staples of his, music which are stellar, storytelling addressing mental,

856
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 2: health and contemplating his religious face his religious. FAITH i

857
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 2: have jokingly always said That The fix is the Only

858
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 2: christian rap album that has ever, Banged AND i only

859
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 2: have joking WHEN i say. That go listen To someday

860
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 2: off that track Featuring Faith evans produced By neptunes Or

861
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 2: heaven produced By Team mix And Kanye. West Sunday service

862
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 2: has never ever sounded so. Good but now onto The Tiny.

863
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 2: Desk it opens With scarface extending a warm welcome to.

864
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 2: Us he mentions How Backyard band and ICONIC Dc Go

865
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 2: Go band and it's front Man Big g are in

866
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 2: the building to check them. Out Big g is better

867
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:43,839
Speaker 2: known As Slim charles from The wire to those who aren't.

868
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 2: Familiar so on the keyboard beside him is the once

869
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 2: newcomer who first cut his teeth With scarface on The diary,

870
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 2: album who has since established himself as a, Legend Mike.

871
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 2: Dean they open With My, block the lead single from The,

872
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 2: fix And oh The perseverance and Finding beauty in The.

873
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 2: Struggle they then transition And Mary jane His weed, anthem

874
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 2: and Then. Smile there's a pretty heavy moment at the

875
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 2: end of the performance Of smile Where scarface emphasizes his,

876
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 2: line we say a prayer for my Homie. Pop, yes

877
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,280
Speaker 2: we always knew That pock And scarface were really. Homies

878
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 2: but there's something About face saying it in that moment

879
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 2: on that tiny desk that hammered home how they were

880
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:23,280
Speaker 2: really friends and really, homies and how they still should

881
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 2: be homies right now while they're in their fifties instead

882
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 2: of one of them dying at twenty. Five it's a

883
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 2: pretty heavy, moment but the mood is lighting a bit

884
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 2: as we transition into one of his more fun, songs Fuck,

885
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:37,320
Speaker 2: faces before closing out the same way before he closes

886
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 2: out this tiny death performance with the same way he

887
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 2: first broke out With my mind is playing tricks On.

888
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 2: Me it's a perfect celebration of one of rap's greatest

889
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 2: and most important. Voices so you, know when we were

890
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 2: talking Uh doggie, style and you KNOW i mentioned Like

891
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 2: snoop is my favorite rapper, Ever scarface might be like

892
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 2: my second favorite rapper. Ever besides like the music just being.

893
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 2: Incredible he made muse that, mattered. Bro like you KNOW

894
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 2: i mentioned before how mental health was a recurring theme

895
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 2: in all his. Music he was he was one of

896
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 2: the first rappers to really grapple with that on a consistent.

897
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:13,760
Speaker 2: Basis he was someone and the thing about his music

898
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 2: is it was kind of, Grim it was kind of.

899
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 2: Dark it was it was it wasn't yet you, Know

900
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 2: i'm gonna get through. This it was BRO i don't

901
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 2: know If i'm ever, gonna you, know get out this

902
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 2: depression That i'm meant that this this funk THAT i

903
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 2: meant like, LIFE i don't know if life will ever

904
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 2: really really be all the way worth living for. Me

905
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 2: like it was really, dark which is why the why

906
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 2: his his album To, fixed WHICH i, think LIKE i,

907
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 2: SAID i think that's the best album he ever. Made

908
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 2: it's beautiful because there are some bright moments on there From,

909
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 2: Scarface like there's you, know the Song heaven where he's

910
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 2: talking about, how you, know finding peace and religion has kind,

911
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 2: of you, know granted him a new outlook on, life

912
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 2: and it's a beautiful kind of moment where if you

913
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 2: were investing In, scarface you you you kind of thought

914
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,359
Speaker 2: he would never really get there to where he's seen

915
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 2: the cup half, full you. Know and besides the fact that,

916
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 2: he LIKE i, said he made music that, matter he

917
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 2: made music about mental. Health he made music that spoke

918
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 2: to people who are going through depression and anxiety and

919
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 2: what have. You just as a, rapper bro, like he

920
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,959
Speaker 2: just checks all the boxes as what a good rapper should.

921
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,399
Speaker 2: Be has one of the most incredible voices in rap,

922
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,359
Speaker 2: history one of the best storytellers in rap. HISTORY i

923
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 2: personally think he is the best solo rapper ever from The,

924
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 2: south Right, LIKE i think he's the legit king of The.

925
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 2: South and scar and it just it really felt good

926
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 2: seeing that tiny desk because you, Know scarface is someone

927
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 2: who's going through health. Problems we almost lost that man TO, covid,

928
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 2: like you, know lots of us were really stressing during that,

929
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 2: moment and it's good to see a legend like him

930
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 2: get his flowers and that tiny. Desk it was it

931
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 2: was so perfect Because scarface is someone who really knows

932
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 2: how to command a, room Right, like BECAUSE i mentioned

933
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 2: his music usually has, substance so the stories that he

934
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 2: was giving, us you, know into what went into, that

935
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,879
Speaker 2: into his thought process behind making and he's an instrumentalist

936
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 2: and to producer. Himself we saw him get on the

937
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 2: guitar From Mary. Jane we saw him you, know banging

938
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 2: out you, know the keys on mom playing tricks on me.

939
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 2: Stuff so it was it was just it was just

940
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 2: REALLY i Think it's like perhaps my favorite tiny neest.

941
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 5: Performance it's just perfect to.

942
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 1: Me WHEN i first saw, IT i sent it to

943
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:10,760
Speaker 1: you immediate BECAUSE i know how much you Love scarface

944
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 1: and we've SHARED i love for Car, face you know

945
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 1: What i'm, saying.

946
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 4: Since hella's do you feel? Me?

947
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 1: SO i, mean just Like southern music in, general but,

948
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 1: Yeh scarface is. Special BUT i just don't know at

949
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: that time period If i'd heard rap so honest and

950
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 1: vulnerable and you, know coming from the perspective he was

951
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: and so. Wise you, know somebody twenty five rapping you,

952
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 1: know uh, lyrics he's wrapping.

953
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 5: Mind playing tricks when he was twenty, one.

954
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 4: Bro and.

955
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 1: At fifty he's rapping these verses and he's saying them

956
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 1: as in the same way because they're just they're to

957
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 1: him as at.

958
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,879
Speaker 4: Fifty they they have the same amount of. Weight that's very.

959
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: Abnormal you, know he has fuck faces where he's like

960
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 1: this didn't age, well you.

961
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 3: Know WHAT i?

962
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:55,320
Speaker 1: Mean but he BUT i, mean we had his. Moments

963
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 1: he was still. Shorty he had those shorty. Moments but

964
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 1: like he we talked about this man like there's a

965
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 1: spiritual aspect to his music that feels LIKE i was like,

966
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 1: this he had to grow up in. Church you, know

967
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: he made group where his grandmother or, something because he

968
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,320
Speaker 1: had a certain amount of wisdom that you, know people

969
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 1: his age our age at that time and you, know

970
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 1: don't have and he put it in his. Music one

971
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: THING i learned was how much of a musician he.

972
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,359
Speaker 1: WAS i didn't know. THAT i didn't. KNOW i saw

973
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 1: him playing, guitar and, like he's playing that motherfucker like

974
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 1: a guitar, player not somebody who's playing a guitar for.

975
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 1: People so they, think so they know he plays. Guitar

976
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 1: he was feeling the music in a particular, way you

977
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 1: know WHAT i. Mean And i'm, like he you, know

978
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 1: you know he's talking about the sound in that. Pocket i'm,

979
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 1: like he's talking like an. Artist AND i don't know

980
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 1: IF i saw IF i, KNOW i didn't know the

981
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,879
Speaker 1: artist that he was until, That and SO i really loved.

982
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 1: That but like it's like you, said it's really good

983
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 1: dope to see him get you, know his his flowers

984
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: And scarface to me is one of those few people

985
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 1: THAT i don't know what else you fuck, with but

986
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: if you fuck With, SCARFACE i know you got a

987
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 1: certain level to, taste you know WHAT i, Mean because

988
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: he might not have been the most, popular but to

989
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: those that really fucked with rat he was always, great you.

990
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 3: Know WHAT i.

991
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 4: Mean so you, know, like BUT i JUST i loved.

992
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 4: IT i was watching.

993
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 1: It, WELL i, mean this is crazy that you were

994
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 1: up at like four o'clock your, time child WHEN i

995
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:20,320
Speaker 1: texted you or.

996
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 4: SO i was ver like twelve thirty or. One WHEN

997
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 4: i saw.

998
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 1: IT i was, LIKE i gotta watch this whole thing right,

999
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:25,800
Speaker 1: now you know WHAT i, Mean like you need to

1000
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 1: get your ass to. Bid i'm like a watch of,

1001
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 1: scarfaces you know WHAT i, Mean tiny, desk give me

1002
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: thirty more.

1003
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 4: Minutes but, yeah that's.

1004
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 2: Funny it was a very captivating. Time that's and you,

1005
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 2: know going Off john's point of Like scarface was never

1006
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 2: a monster a dude who was giving us monster, singles right,

1007
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 2: like he wasn't a dude who lived on the. Charts

1008
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 2: smile was his highest charting, single and that shit went

1009
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 2: his high like number, TWELVE i.

1010
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 4: Think and he had on that. Motherucker, yeah, yeah he

1011
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 4: had to.

1012
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 2: Right after he, passed and that was in ninety seven

1013
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 2: And Pocak Kill fall ninety. Six But face is one

1014
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,320
Speaker 2: of those, dude who he is your favorite, rapper favorite?

1015
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:01,839
Speaker 5: Rapper right like like.

1016
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 2: There's there's so much footage of guys like JAY z

1017
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:09,320
Speaker 2: and and and fucking And nas And geezy going on

1018
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 2: record saying Like scarface is my favorite.

1019
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 5: Rapper he's the one who made me hop out.

1020
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 2: Here and do it right and and he he's just

1021
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:19,399
Speaker 2: someone who just means so much to so many people

1022
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,399
Speaker 2: in a very very unique way that not a lot

1023
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 2: of rappers, mean you, know to other people LIKE, dmx

1024
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 2: who is who infamously hated, rappers like he, said you,

1025
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 2: know he grew up on disco like he was not a.

1026
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 2: Rap then he said the only rappers he liked rock

1027
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 2: him And, Scarface right like, that that just shows the

1028
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:38,320
Speaker 2: the reese That scarface had man and and he's just a.

1029
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 2: Legend LIKE i, SAID i probably my second favorite rapper beyond.

1030
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 3: Me All, right this all the time we. Got we'll

1031
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 3: be back On saturday with our holiday mail bag. Episode

1032
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 3: get your questions In Jakisan jones at gmail dot com

1033
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 3: and we'll see. Y'all THEN I e

1034
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 1: The volume