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Speaker 1: Night one of WrestleMania, We've had Night two of WrestleMania.
Speaker 1: We've got Raw to Night, n XT Standing Deliver on Saturday,
Speaker 1: SmackDown on Friday, the Hall of Fame, Ring of Honor,
Speaker 1: Supercard of Honor, about fifty other shows in the area.
Speaker 1: We got a lot going on on Raw tonight. I've
Speaker 1: been told a few things so we can tell you about.
Speaker 1: And also the retirement, the official retirement, laying his boots
Speaker 1: in the ring of Triple H injury to boogs aj
Speaker 1: styles slashed open on the weight of the ring. He
Speaker 1: was not happy about that and yes, Pat buck quit
Speaker 1: one of the the w w E agents had just
Speaker 1: had enough after WrestleMania and he's out of there. So
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Speaker 1: lot to get into. It's been a long weekend, all right,
Speaker 1: how them begin? Yeah, so WrestleMania was this weekend? Did
Speaker 1: you guys know that it was a WrestleMania this weekend?
Speaker 1: It was two nights, and uh, you know, we gonna
Speaker 1: start with here today very quickly, is uh how all
Speaker 1: the shows did this weekend? And uh, you know, I
Speaker 1: was going over my timeline for the show started, and
Speaker 1: I was, I was, I was actually fixing to get
Speaker 1: really mad and start. I responded to one guy, which
Speaker 1: was one guy too many, a historian who was angry
Speaker 1: that we were given the real numbers for WrestleMania, which
Speaker 1: is one of the funnier tweets I've seen in a while. Carl.
Speaker 1: But I was gonna get really mad at a bunch
Speaker 1: of people. But then, you know, I really started think
Speaker 1: about this, and I thought, you know, like, if you
Speaker 1: can't deal with the actual numbers for WrestleMania, I mean,
Speaker 1: I could get mad at you, but the fact of
Speaker 1: the matter is if you can't deal, you've got some
Speaker 1: problems in your life. So I have sympathy. So I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna ignore it and move on. WrestleMania Night one,
Speaker 1: they distributed sixty five thousand, seven hundred and nineteen tickets.
Speaker 1: That's distributed. The actual paid was between fifty five and
Speaker 1: sixty thousand. The fake attendance, which is a fake attendance.
Speaker 1: It is not the number of tickets distributed, plus the
Speaker 1: people who sell popcorn, and the security and this and
Speaker 1: that that people do. This is a fake number. Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't care what Bruce Pridget said on his podcast. Okay,
Speaker 1: the guy who runs his company, his name is Vince McMahon.
Speaker 1: You guys all bow to him at WrestleMania after he
Speaker 1: has a bad match, he said, Vince, Okay, not me.
Speaker 1: He has said flat out that the attendance is for entertainment.
Speaker 1: It is part of the entertainment portion of the show.
Speaker 1: It is fake, it is made up. Okay, four times
Speaker 1: a year they do an earnings call, they release actual
Speaker 1: numbers of the full attendance for the quarter, and in fact,
Speaker 1: if you do the math, they do give the real
Speaker 1: number for WrestleMania, and it's never the fake number that
Speaker 1: they put on the screen. Which was particularly funny on
Speaker 1: night too, because they put one fake number on the
Speaker 1: screen and then the announcers had a different fake number,
Speaker 1: so we had to fake numbers. They couldn't even get
Speaker 1: their stories straight. So anyway, first night, sixty five thousand
Speaker 1: tickets out between fifty five and sixty paid. Uh. Second
Speaker 1: night sixty seven nineteen I'm sorry, sixty five six fifty
Speaker 1: three out between fifty five and sixty thousand paid, and
Speaker 1: they had to fake numbers for that night. But basically
Speaker 1: they added twelve thousand people to the attendance, which is
Speaker 1: in fact what they do every year, and they have
Speaker 1: done every year since the beginning of time, and they
Speaker 1: admit this, but it's my fault. So that's WrestleMania tonight raw.
Speaker 1: They have got nine thousand, seven hundred and thirty two
Speaker 1: tickets out and the building is set up for ten thousand,
Speaker 1: four hundred and six, So there's six hundred seventy four
Speaker 1: tickets available. They're probably gonna sell out. So that's the
Speaker 1: urra after wrestlemans we're talking about in a moment, n
Speaker 1: XT stay and deliver four thousand, three sixty six. Somehow
Speaker 1: they did not have fifteen thousand popcorn sellers and security
Speaker 1: and etcetera, etcetera. U to get that four thousand, three
Speaker 1: d sixty six in the building? Um, I mean compared
Speaker 1: to what they normally do on Tuesday nights in Florida.
Speaker 1: That's a great number. But if you look back at
Speaker 1: the you know n x T takeover wrestlemany weekend shows
Speaker 1: when Triple H was in charge. There is no way
Speaker 1: to spend this as and improved n x T. It is.
Speaker 1: It is worse off in every single conceivable way. This
Speaker 1: n x T two point oh. I do not want
Speaker 1: to hear arguments. Friday Nights, SmackDown did a great number
Speaker 1: twelve thousand and eleven tickets. They were completely sold out
Speaker 1: for the SmackDown show in the Hall of Fame, the
Speaker 1: third best SmackDown number since returning to the road. According
Speaker 1: to Wrestle Ticks quote, a tremendous number which it was,
Speaker 1: and a Ring of Honor Supercard of Honor with Tony
Speaker 1: Cohn in charge, one thousand, nine d and seventy eight
Speaker 1: tickets out. So Tony Khan mentioned two thousand of the
Speaker 1: media scrum, he inflated it by uh twenty two tickets.
Speaker 1: Apparably there were only twenty two security guards, popcorn sellers
Speaker 1: and anyway. So those are the numbers for for the weekend.
Speaker 1: So the good, the bad and everything in between. Now
Speaker 1: the shows. I told you these shows are gonna be
Speaker 1: pretty good. Night one was better than Night too, but
Speaker 1: I was entertained by both shows. Night one we had
Speaker 1: the use O's beating Shinsky Nakamura and Rick Boogs. When
Speaker 1: Rick Boogs injured his leg, they had to go to
Speaker 1: the finish early. He has suffered an injured patella and
Speaker 1: torn quad and he is going to be out of
Speaker 1: action for a long time. Best wishes too, Old Boogs.
Speaker 1: They had to change the finish. They had to shave
Speaker 1: time off the match, and so they filled that time
Speaker 1: with copious video packages and then ran out of time later.
Speaker 1: It's actually like that a w show where they had
Speaker 1: a fake stand by match and by puting the fake
Speaker 1: stand by match on the show. They actually ran out
Speaker 1: of time and had to cut some other stuff later
Speaker 1: in the show. Drew mc terrby Dappy Corbyn. I thought
Speaker 1: the match was good. It wasn't a great match, but
Speaker 1: it was good. Drew McIntyre one and then chopped the
Speaker 1: ring ropes with his sword, so we got to see
Speaker 1: some special effects. Missing Logan Paul beat Ray Mysterio and
Speaker 1: Dominic Mysterio way better than anybody could have expected. Because
Speaker 1: of Logan Paul. This dude outworked the Miss. If you
Speaker 1: showed any random person this match and said name the
Speaker 1: one guy who's you know, uh not a wrestler, they
Speaker 1: would have picked them is Logan Paul. Looked great. They
Speaker 1: had a fun match, uh they they they won Missing
Speaker 1: Logan Paul one, and then Logan Paul, who's just like
Speaker 1: he's the greatest heel, Miss turns on him. I guess
Speaker 1: to turn him baby face, but everyone cheered the Miss,
Speaker 1: so the whole thing is just total miss. I think
Speaker 1: Logan Paul is coming back, so I'm even more baffled
Speaker 1: than they that they shot this angle at the end,
Speaker 1: but they did. Bianca beat Becky. Ma'am talking about this
Speaker 1: one for months and all I heard was not gonna happen.
Speaker 1: I'll believe it when I see it. Well, I hope
Speaker 1: we all believe it now. Because she beat her clean
Speaker 1: in the middle of the ring with the ko D
Speaker 1: she won the title. They finished off a story that
Speaker 1: they started at WrestleMania, and I thought it was an
Speaker 1: excellent match. I thought Becky did everything in her power
Speaker 1: to get Bianca over. Bianca looked like a huge star.
Speaker 1: She had the best women's match on WrestleMania now two
Speaker 1: years in a row. So congratulations to her. The new
Speaker 1: Raw Women's Champion Seth Rollins versus Marco Stunt. Big surprise, No,
Speaker 1: of course, not everyone. It was Cody Rhodes and they
Speaker 1: hit his music and the place went crazy for this
Speaker 1: guy and he was massively over and they had a
Speaker 1: very good match and Cody beat him. Yeah, Cody did
Speaker 1: not do a job as first night in beat him
Speaker 1: with the Crossroads. Came off like a massive superstar. He's
Speaker 1: going to appear on Raw tonight. He's going to talk
Speaker 1: about everything, and I would expect there to be references
Speaker 1: to a W, although I don't think he will actually
Speaker 1: say the letters A E W. But we shall see it.
Speaker 1: Was a home run segment. I know people don't want
Speaker 1: to hear that, but it was Charlotte versus Ronda Rousey
Speaker 1: better than I expected. It wasn't a great match or
Speaker 1: anything like that, but I mean they certainly worked hard,
Speaker 1: they tried. No one half asked it. Charlotte beat her
Speaker 1: with a boot after run Da Rousey had gotten a pin,
Speaker 1: although the referee reversed it because he saw the foot
Speaker 1: on the ropes, and then she had a submission while
Speaker 1: the rough wasn't around, So she had a pin and
Speaker 1: a submission and then got booted in the face and lost.
Speaker 1: So it looks like they're gonna be heading towards a
Speaker 1: submission match. Steve Auston beat Kevin Owens. They actually did
Speaker 1: a match, and there's a guy there that a big
Speaker 1: sign melt ser fierce facts on a weekend where we
Speaker 1: got Vince McMahon versus Pat McAfee and stone cold Steve
Speaker 1: Auston versus Kevin Owens in an actual match, and man,
Speaker 1: for a guy that hasn't been around eighteen years if
Speaker 1: he's seven years old, he did a hell of a job.
Speaker 1: This was a retirement match. To be proud of. Kevin
Speaker 1: Owens looked great as well, worked his ass off for
Speaker 1: stone Cold Stunner finished in the middle of the ring,
Speaker 1: Austin took soup plexus on the cement the whole nine
Speaker 1: yards Holy smokes. I thought this delivered. I mean, it
Speaker 1: didn't deliver as much as the Jackass match, but it
Speaker 1: over delivered. So I thought this was this was excellent.
Speaker 1: And uh, before I go on, Mike, before the break,
Speaker 1: what do you think of that first night? I really
Speaker 1: enjoyed the first night. I mean, wrestling wise, I thought
Speaker 1: it was a better night. You know, Cody and Seth
Speaker 1: they bought Cody Rhodes, And when you buy Cody Rhodes,
Speaker 1: you buy all of Cody Rhodes, and you buy the logo,
Speaker 1: the music, the whole presentation, which I thought was great.
Speaker 1: I thought that's what they needed to do. If you're
Speaker 1: bringing in Cody Rhodes, you want to shock the system
Speaker 1: a little bit and and and get people talking. That
Speaker 1: was the best way to do it. And I think
Speaker 1: maybe he does mention the words a w tonight. This
Speaker 1: might be the only time he does it, but maybe
Speaker 1: we actually get to see that to night Logan Paul,
Speaker 1: I don't know what direction they're gonna go with Logan
Speaker 1: Paul and the Miss. At some point they're probably gonna
Speaker 1: have to figure out a way to make Miss the
Speaker 1: good guy in that exchange, because I don't think that
Speaker 1: fans are gonna stop pouring onto Logan Paul. So he
Speaker 1: did a spectacular job and just not you another person
Speaker 1: with bad Bunny, Floyd Mayweather and some others of people
Speaker 1: from the outside who have done a great job of WrestleMania.
Speaker 1: Magre in a moment, Observer Live, Light in the show,
Speaker 1: Bright El Brez here, Wrestling Observer Live, Mike simper Vide,
Speaker 1: also Wrestling Observer dot Com. So despite the fact that
Speaker 1: Night one had two and a half hours of video
Speaker 1: packages and entrances in a four hour show, I thought
Speaker 1: it was a pretty great wrestle media night too. Not
Speaker 1: quite as great, although there was great stuff on the show.
Speaker 1: R K Bro Street Off It's alph Academy, excellent opening match,
Speaker 1: r KO is all over, r K Bro got the win,
Speaker 1: retained the raw tag team titles. That's one to go
Speaker 1: out of your way to see. If you want to
Speaker 1: see horrible things, there was plenty of that on the show.
Speaker 1: Bobby Lashing, Omas Holy Smokes, This match is horrible, and uh,
Speaker 1: you can't have match good match with aj styles. It's
Speaker 1: it's time to cut bait, take a break, go back
Speaker 1: to that performance center because Omas cannot have a bad
Speaker 1: good match. This match with Lashly horrible and then Lashly
Speaker 1: beat him so so much for that wind streak. Dude,
Speaker 1: what's he gonna do down there? I mean, honestly, and
Speaker 1: I don't want to break, but like to me, if
Speaker 1: he's not gonna be then you probably need to cut
Speaker 1: bait because I he does not seem to have lateral movement.
Speaker 1: There are just things that unless he's just going to
Speaker 1: be a guy who walks in and choke slams into
Speaker 1: his bodyguard and serves that kind of role, which you
Speaker 1: can do. You can bring him out every three months
Speaker 1: or so and have him go crush some body. People
Speaker 1: would lose their minds. Like to me, that's it. Other
Speaker 1: than that, I mean, it's I mean, can you imagine,
Speaker 1: look almost in vinced they should get together and have
Speaker 1: a match. That would be amazing. Johnny Knoxville, Sammy Zane.
Speaker 1: I mean, I could talk for hours about this. In fact,
Speaker 1: if you're a subscriber to Wrestling Observer dot com, myself
Speaker 1: and filthy Tom Law this afternoon. It's actually gonna be
Speaker 1: a two thirty Pacific today, half hour late to thirty Pacific,
Speaker 1: five thirty Eastern. I bet we could spend an hour
Speaker 1: on this match. But suffice to say, and this is
Speaker 1: what I will say about the full deconstruction of that match.
Speaker 1: This is a this is a backhanded uh. It's not
Speaker 1: even a compliment. This is just uh, you know, this
Speaker 1: is a reality. W w E as a tendency to
Speaker 1: advertise things and either under deliver or just deliver what
Speaker 1: you would expect. And every now and then they over deliver.
Speaker 1: And an example of that, in fact, would be Kevin
Speaker 1: Owens and Steve Austin. They they advertised that it was
Speaker 1: going to be just a talk show segment and they
Speaker 1: delivered a legitimate, good, no holds barred Steve Boston versus Kevin.
Speaker 1: So they over delivered, which is rare for w w E.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure in all the years that I have
Speaker 1: been watching w w E, and I started watching in
Speaker 1: I don't think there's ever been a match that more
Speaker 1: over delivered than this one. Here is Johnny Knoxville, Sammy Zane,
Speaker 1: anything goes. We all knew that it would be pie
Speaker 1: pans and trash cans, and you knew there was gonna
Speaker 1: be a taser to the balls and this and that.
Speaker 1: I did not expect fireworks in the ass. I did
Speaker 1: not expect of the giant hand. I did not expect
Speaker 1: we Man. It was like UFC one in there. This
Speaker 1: guy is just stiffing people right and left, and then
Speaker 1: Sammy Zane just booted him. Like the only way this
Speaker 1: boot would have been worse is if he would have
Speaker 1: booted him with the toe of his boot, which is like,
Speaker 1: you're not supposed to ever kick someone with the toe.
Speaker 1: You was kicking with a flat part of your boot. Man,
Speaker 1: he kicked this dude. We Man didn't even turn his head.
Speaker 1: It was just the boot goes right into his nose.
Speaker 1: You know, I think his nose went into his brain.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. They were absolutely killing each other. And yes,
Speaker 1: they did slow motion play that too forever. Yeah. Usually
Speaker 1: what they do is, like you know, they they show
Speaker 1: real slow motion, then right when there's about to be impact,
Speaker 1: they speed it up so you can't really see what happened.
Speaker 1: Not this one. It was like slow and then they
Speaker 1: slowed it down even more than you stopped. All right,
Speaker 1: Oh my god. And then the giant mouse trapped the
Speaker 1: giant hand, it flew in it. I was dying. I
Speaker 1: was dying watching this match. Loved it. I just loved it.
Speaker 1: I mean it was total, absolute pro wrestling stupidity. It
Speaker 1: was a human cartoon. Oh man, that was something else.
Speaker 1: Take that spring break, Janella. They outdid every indie they
Speaker 1: did for then the most areposterous match of the week.
Speaker 1: This this whole, that whole two days of WrestleMania there was.
Speaker 1: It was a absolute spectacle in this look. Logan Paul delivered,
Speaker 1: Steve Austin delivered, Uh, you know, I Johnny Knoxville delivered
Speaker 1: a lot of the stuff that look. I would have
Speaker 1: taken a great one day, five hour wrestling show that
Speaker 1: was classic top to bottom stuff. I would have taken that.
Speaker 1: I absolutely would have. If you had going to go ahead,
Speaker 1: if you would have taken these two WrestleManias, these two nights,
Speaker 1: and you'd have put only the best stuff on one show,
Speaker 1: and it would have been the greatest WrestleMania of all
Speaker 1: time by multiples. Yeah. But if you if you trimmed
Speaker 1: the fat off of both of those shows at to night,
Speaker 1: and you could have taken off an hour off of
Speaker 1: each show and not missed a beat, and it probably
Speaker 1: would even flowed better. But what I was gonna say is, look,
Speaker 1: they promised this year a spectacle. They made no bones
Speaker 1: about the fact, with the exception of a couple of
Speaker 1: matches headlined by Brock can By Roman, that this is
Speaker 1: a spectacle show. This is not from you, Mr hardcore
Speaker 1: pro wrestling fan. This is for the masses. And from
Speaker 1: that point of view, they delivered. And then some the
Speaker 1: Johnny Knoxville stuff. I haven't seen Jackass in years, so
Speaker 1: to see we Man with this little we gut doing
Speaker 1: a body slam on Samy Zane and this is another
Speaker 1: thing too, And I just want to throw this out
Speaker 1: there about Sammy Zane and Kevin Owens resigning. Bottom line
Speaker 1: with Kevin Owens and Sammy Zane is they can walk
Speaker 1: into Canada anytime w W runs and be the biggest
Speaker 1: things in all of professional wrestling. Barnon, they walk into Quebec,
Speaker 1: you know, they're They're like, God's there. A W doesn't
Speaker 1: have that reach in Canada, they don't. And they these
Speaker 1: are two guys that like their job, they like the
Speaker 1: people they work with, they like where they're at in
Speaker 1: their lives, and there are a lot of people that
Speaker 1: are upset that we're not going to get to see
Speaker 1: Generico and Steen again and a W doing stuff that
Speaker 1: you know what, that's a okay, And you see why
Speaker 1: maybe yesterday and the day before of why these guys
Speaker 1: were so completely fine with resigning with w w E
Speaker 1: and possibly even finishing out their careers there, depending on
Speaker 1: what direction they decided to take. But if you told
Speaker 1: me the next three years, I would do absolutely nothing
Speaker 1: a job to every person on that roster. But I
Speaker 1: got to be in the ring with Stone Colt Steve
Speaker 1: Boston at WrestleMania for his last match. I'm sorry if
Speaker 1: I'm Kevin Owens. It's all worth it, alright. We had
Speaker 1: Sasha Naomi versus Len and Carmelo VERSUSI, and Live Morrigan
Speaker 1: versus Natty and Shana. Sasha Naomi won the women's tag titles.
Speaker 1: It was a match that was on the card edge
Speaker 1: b DJ Styles. They did not go eighteen, they did
Speaker 1: not go. They went, and uh, it was excellently Here's
Speaker 1: the thing, it was excellently wrestled. Were people bored, Yeah,
Speaker 1: some people were bored by the middle of it. I
Speaker 1: thought it was a very very good match. The finish sucked.
Speaker 1: Damian Priest appears, a j is distracted, he has a
Speaker 1: springboard and gets speared out of midair and pinned. And
Speaker 1: now we got Edge and Damien Priest as a duo,
Speaker 1: and Lord, I don't need that crap on WrestleMania. Do
Speaker 1: those stupid finishes on ron SmackDown. Come up with something
Speaker 1: creative for the biggest show of the year. Shamus and
Speaker 1: Ridge Holland versus The New Day. This match got bumped
Speaker 1: from Night one because they had two and a half
Speaker 1: hours of video packages on a four hour show. Well,
Speaker 1: on this show, New Day comes out dressed as Biggie
Speaker 1: when he won the title tribute to their fallen friend,
Speaker 1: they showed the footage of the the guy's broken neck. They
Speaker 1: go one minute and forty seconds and the New Day
Speaker 1: is beaten clean in the middle of the ring. Pat
Speaker 1: McAfee defeated Austin Theory. This match was good. Pat McAfee
Speaker 1: was great, but if you saw the Adam Cole match,
Speaker 1: you would have expected that Austin Theory did a great
Speaker 1: job with him. Pat McAfee rolled him up for the pin.
Speaker 1: This led to the worst match in the history of WrestleMania,
Speaker 1: bordering on the It may actually be the worst match
Speaker 1: I've ever seen, and I don't want to hear one
Speaker 1: excuse about how it shouldn't count in the year end
Speaker 1: of voting. Dude, it was horrible. Vince is absolutely completely immobile.
Speaker 1: He's out there as jacked up as he can be.
Speaker 1: At seventies six. He puts his arm out and Pat
Speaker 1: McAfee runs into it numerous times. Pat McAfee has a
Speaker 1: cell for this guy. And then Vince mcmah takes a
Speaker 1: football and boots it into his ribs and pins him.
Speaker 1: He pinn Pat McAfee in the middle of the ring.
Speaker 1: So then of course they hit stone cold Steve Auston's music. Thankfully,
Speaker 1: Steve Auston came out Austin theory takes the greatest stunner
Speaker 1: in the history of man, and then it's time for
Speaker 1: the McMahon Austin stunner. And if you've ever seen Vince
Speaker 1: McMahon work, he's horrible, so horrible, I almost dropped an
Speaker 1: F bomb right there. He's the worst. He's absolutely twenty
Speaker 1: five years ago, this guy couldn't do any thing in
Speaker 1: the ring, but he was Vince. So of course everybody
Speaker 1: sold for him, and he punched him as hard as
Speaker 1: he couldn't face and all that kind of crap, but
Speaker 1: he could never, ever, not one time ever take the
Speaker 1: stone cold stunning, right, and we're talking twenty five years
Speaker 1: ago when he was in his fifties and not his
Speaker 1: mid seventies. So they do the spot, Austin boots him.
Speaker 1: It's honestly like Vince's a wax statue. He just tips
Speaker 1: over backwards, starts falling to the ropes. Steve Auston who
Speaker 1: bumped and he did everything, but the one thing he
Speaker 1: didn't do yesterday on Saturday night was run. Now he
Speaker 1: starts running. He's sprinting like it's it's like a track meet.
Speaker 1: He's trying to get ahold of this guy. Then he's
Speaker 1: trying to deadlift him off the mat, which is impossible.
Speaker 1: He finally gets him in position. Vince McMann takes a
Speaker 1: stunner by sitting down. I got so many messages from
Speaker 1: wrestlers yesterday crying like Austin was not the only one
Speaker 1: crying with laughter. I mean people were crying and I
Speaker 1: was too, And you know what, I wouldn't want it
Speaker 1: any other way This was the only way to end
Speaker 1: this rivalry was for Vince take one more of the
Speaker 1: absolute worst stunners ever in the history of man, and
Speaker 1: he did and we all went home happy. And then
Speaker 1: Roman reigns Lessner. Hey, if you didn't see the show,
Speaker 1: close your eyes. Imagine Roman reigns versus brock Lessner for
Speaker 1: twelve minutes and fifteen seconds. That's exactly what happened. And
Speaker 1: then Roman spirited him and pinned him and his noted
Speaker 1: yesterday in the Bruin Vidi show, Roman was announced as
Speaker 1: he entered the ring as the undisputed Universal Champion. He
Speaker 1: won and was billed as the new Undisputed Universal Champion.
Speaker 1: So after all that time, they couldn't figure out what
Speaker 1: to call it, nor did they have a new belt.
Speaker 1: So yes, he unified the titles, but they're just gonna
Speaker 1: split him up again, probably sooner rather than later. But
Speaker 1: damn it, we got that that biggest match of all
Speaker 1: time back in a moment of life. Hey, well that
Speaker 1: was the two Knights of Rustlemania. Everybody, and we also
Speaker 1: had at X T stand and Deliver, and uh, I
Speaker 1: got a couple of things I want to talk about here.
Speaker 1: So I only saw the I only saw the ladder
Speaker 1: match in the main event, didn't have time to watch
Speaker 1: the rest of the show, but this is what happened.
Speaker 1: Raquel and Dakota Kai beat Toxic Attraction on the pre
Speaker 1: show and won the n x T Tag team titles,
Speaker 1: so they're the new champions. Cameron Grimes did in fact
Speaker 1: win the North American title as I expected, beating Carmelo
Speaker 1: Hayes Santos, and it was the only finish. O't care
Speaker 1: any says it's the only finish beat Santos, Joaquin, well
Speaker 1: actually Jaina Solos, Akoa, Grayson Waller. Anyway, a lot of
Speaker 1: stuff happened in this match, interference, like crazy amounts of interference,
Speaker 1: and finally, Cameron Grimes climbed up in one for his
Speaker 1: deceased father, the final promise he made for him. They
Speaker 1: did a great job with that storyline the last few weeks,
Speaker 1: so I was very happy to see that Tomasa Champa
Speaker 1: lost to Tony di'angelo, so he's out of there, probably
Speaker 1: showing up on Rod and I for all I know.
Speaker 1: MSK beat Imperium and the Creed Brothers to win the
Speaker 1: tag team titles, so everyone thought the Creed Brothers gonna
Speaker 1: be champions. They in fact, it did not win the
Speaker 1: belts MSK did, so that was a surprise hit. The
Speaker 1: four away we had Cora, Jade, Kaylee, ray Eo Sharai
Speaker 1: and Mandy Rose and Many Rose one to retained the
Speaker 1: title because you know, they want to create new young stars.
Speaker 1: Thankfully Cora got the rub but just being in the
Speaker 1: match over WrestleMania weekend, she didn't need to win. God Forbid,
Speaker 1: so Many Rose is still the champion. Coonter bt L
Speaker 1: a night I heard it was all right, Dave did
Speaker 1: not think it was a very good match at all,
Speaker 1: and he's, you know, fan of he's he's rating it
Speaker 1: on the Walter scales, which is a pretty high bar.
Speaker 1: And then yes, in the main event it is Dolph
Speaker 1: Ziggler versus Broun Breaker and uh and Broun Breaker got
Speaker 1: ran into an exposed turn. The match was so stupid
Speaker 1: when you think about it. I mean, the work was
Speaker 1: was pretty good, but Robert Rude interferes and the referee
Speaker 1: says you're out of here, ejects him. Then Robert Rouge
Speaker 1: just comes back and the referee, the referee is is
Speaker 1: like he's helpless. Well, if I if I just qualify him.
Speaker 1: You know, broun Breaker can't win the title, so I
Speaker 1: really wanted to just qualify him. This is the stupidest,
Speaker 1: absolute stupidest rule. The rules are so dumb. It makes
Speaker 1: everyone looks so stupid. So he just keeps interfering. I mean,
Speaker 1: no big deal. And then roun Breaker gets his eyes raked.
Speaker 1: He gets thrown into a buckle and Ziggler super kick
Speaker 1: him and pins him. Roun Breaker was defeated. And I
Speaker 1: know that we got some some fell on. In fact,
Speaker 1: someone's saying it right here, Braun is screwed. This person
Speaker 1: says Brian is screwed. Is that right? I don't know
Speaker 1: about that. I'll put it to you like this, everybody,
Speaker 1: I'll put it to you like this. If you've got
Speaker 1: your thousand dollars queued up for whale scout, transfer those
Speaker 1: funds over to your bank account tonight and talk to
Speaker 1: me in the morning. So that was the That was
Speaker 1: the n x T. That was the n x T
Speaker 1: two point out show. There we also had the Ring
Speaker 1: of Honor Supercard of Honor. I did not see the
Speaker 1: the entire show, but FTR and the Briscos, Holy smokes, dude,
Speaker 1: there ain't no match this weekend better than that match.
Speaker 1: That match was the most unbelievable tag team match. And
Speaker 1: you know these guys, all of them, you know, they
Speaker 1: put a lot of pressure on themselves and the goal
Speaker 1: was to like, you know, have a blow away match,
Speaker 1: and they were you know, that was a lot of
Speaker 1: pressure they put on themselves, and they went in there
Speaker 1: and they delivered. And like the highest praise that I
Speaker 1: can give it is this was This was a classic
Speaker 1: nineteen eighties style pro wrestling match with two work and
Speaker 1: high spots. I mean, it was so awesome and I
Speaker 1: don't want to hear dude, go watch the match and
Speaker 1: get back to me. This was not you know, oh
Speaker 1: it was. He only thought it was great because there
Speaker 1: were a lot of flips, or is bro No. It
Speaker 1: was an old school, fantastic double juice tag team match
Speaker 1: between two teams that weren't there to look cool. They
Speaker 1: weren't there to show off. They were there to get
Speaker 1: a fight and to see who the better team was.
Speaker 1: And it was awesome and FTR one the Ring of
Speaker 1: Honor tag team titles. The Young Bucks showed up afterwards
Speaker 1: and attack the Briscos. So I don't know, I don't
Speaker 1: know what they're gonna do with the Briscoes. I don't
Speaker 1: know if they can end up in uh in a
Speaker 1: w but it appears the Briscos are with Ring of Honor.
Speaker 1: I believe the Briscos are also gonna be with Impact.
Speaker 1: A w is working obviously with a company that Tony
Speaker 1: con owns a Ring of Honor, and they're working with
Speaker 1: Impact Wrestling. So you're gonna see the Briscos versus the
Speaker 1: Young Bucks, which is a match all four of them want,
Speaker 1: and they're gonna tear the house down. And on Wednesday,
Speaker 1: you're going to see FTR versus the Young Bucks with
Speaker 1: the Ring of Honor and the Triple A titles on
Speaker 1: the line. Dynamite. I do expect FTR to win that match,
Speaker 1: but that's gonna tear the house down. And they also
Speaker 1: shot the angle. For those who've been watching Dynamite this
Speaker 1: it wasn't as slow as I thought. Jay Lethal turn
Speaker 1: heel on the Ring of Honor Show. He's a full heel.
Speaker 1: He has a line with his best friend's son, Jay
Speaker 1: Dutt is an evil duo Samoa Joe then debut at
Speaker 1: the end of the Ring of Honor show. So he's
Speaker 1: gonna be a Ring of Honor regular man this show.
Speaker 1: I didn't see the whole show, but what I saw,
Speaker 1: I mean, this was some awesome stuff. So that was
Speaker 1: the Ring of Honor Supercard of Honor show. Did you
Speaker 1: see that picture of Tony presenting some o Joe was
Speaker 1: Smojoe was walking out on stage. He was so excited, dude.
Speaker 1: Never seen a happier man in the world. And look,
Speaker 1: I'll right over here, not not the Doctor of Style Slick,
Speaker 1: which I also have on my chest right here, but
Speaker 1: right underneath that Sergeant Slaughter and Don care Noodle against
Speaker 1: Ricky Steamboat and Jay young Blood. And I began watching
Speaker 1: wrestling at a very young age and in the magazines
Speaker 1: that was the thing that that and Rick Flair were
Speaker 1: of the things that really made me a pro wrestling fan.
Speaker 1: I loved Steamboat and young Blood and their few of
Speaker 1: Slaughter and care Noodle is amazing and it's available in
Speaker 1: its entirety. You can watch pretty much the whole thing
Speaker 1: leading up to it, including the match that they itself
Speaker 1: that they have in Greensboro, and it's some of the
Speaker 1: best work of all time. It was proof that you
Speaker 1: can main event any territory with tag team wrestling because
Speaker 1: it's about the story, it's about the emotion, it's about
Speaker 1: the work, the psychology, the whole nine yards and the
Speaker 1: Briscoes and FTR both cosmically go back to that time.
Speaker 1: They are products of the teams that they watched in
Speaker 1: the eighties, aren't in Tully, the Bulldogs, the Midnight Express,
Speaker 1: the Fantastics, the Sheepers, the Rock and Will Express, the
Speaker 1: Midnight Express. You can go on and on and on.
Speaker 1: There were so many great ones, and I hope, I
Speaker 1: hope some promotion out there. There's so many indies out there,
Speaker 1: there's so many places out there that look at tag
Speaker 1: team wrestling and look at a story like this and
Speaker 1: it's something that they could build around. Always driving me
Speaker 1: nuts with aw so many great tag teams, seems to
Speaker 1: be messy a lot of the times. They have focused
Speaker 1: on maybe one thing, but then everything else gets messy.
Speaker 1: New Japan, same way. Terrible utilization of the talent. As
Speaker 1: great as Zax, Saber Jr. And Taichi were as a team,
Speaker 1: can you imagine if you built up a couple more so.
Speaker 1: One of the reasons right now, I'm actually bullish on
Speaker 1: Edge and Damian Priest together. I kind of like instead
Speaker 1: of Damian Priests building out there in the ether. I
Speaker 1: like this idea, don't like how they got there. As
Speaker 1: Brian said, the finish of that match was absolutely garbage
Speaker 1: for a WrestleMania and just completely ridiculous. You want to
Speaker 1: have a hand for the jackass match, come out of
Speaker 1: nowhere to pop the crowd. Okay, explain how Damian Priests
Speaker 1: just shows up there and nobody knows how he got there,
Speaker 1: especially aj Styles who was climbing up to the top
Speaker 1: rope right next to him. But digress on that. Bottom
Speaker 1: line is tag team wrestling is fantastic. FDR and Briscos
Speaker 1: have been, in my opinion, two of the best in
Speaker 1: the world for a long time, and I don't know
Speaker 1: how you can work to Briscoes into to a w
Speaker 1: and Ring of Honor. Maybe it's through impact, but I'd
Speaker 1: like to see them match up with a lot of
Speaker 1: other these teams out there that they haven't been able
Speaker 1: to mess with for a long time because they've been
Speaker 1: solely in Ring of Honor. You know, I saw that
Speaker 1: picture of Tony and I saw the comments from the
Speaker 1: various nerds, Oh look at Tony, what a geek. Well, God, forbid,
Speaker 1: we have someone running a wrestling company that loves and
Speaker 1: respects wrestling and loves everything about it. I'd much rather
Speaker 1: have a guy running the company that hated wrestling and
Speaker 1: and dis dane for the fans and who mistreated his wrestlers.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm looking for in a company, not a
Speaker 1: guy who loves this business. And like I put on Twitter,
Speaker 1: it's like, even if you don't like Tony Conner e W,
Speaker 1: why don't you find something to be that happy about
Speaker 1: this weekend with all of this wrestling going on, find
Speaker 1: a way to be that happy naturally, maybe with a
Speaker 1: little bit of help. Who cares be happy? And and
Speaker 1: the thing with w W and I saw it last
Speaker 1: night with the stunner of like people like all that
Speaker 1: stuff and Cody debut, it's you can like w W
Speaker 1: E without immediately dumping on a W and vice versa,
Speaker 1: and with so much stuff over the weekend, you know, again,
Speaker 1: if you can't be happy, let's go seek some professional
Speaker 1: help because that's on you. Well, let's talk more so.
Speaker 1: J got cut open on the stage. He was walking
Speaker 1: out and his face got sliced up, and boy he
Speaker 1: was angry, as noted Boogs was injured. He tried as
Speaker 1: funny because I actually did a spot in the ladder
Speaker 1: match on an x T two point oh where Solo
Speaker 1: Sakoa tried. He did the same spot where he's got
Speaker 1: one guy up in simone drop, which, by the way,
Speaker 1: I hate the spot because it's so contrived. It's like
Speaker 1: you got one guy up and then the other guy
Speaker 1: runs over and leaps on the guy's shoulders. It was
Speaker 1: so dumb. And in both cases, Solo Sakoa collapsed but
Speaker 1: he didn't get hurt, and Booze collapsed but he did
Speaker 1: get hurt. But that's the thing. It takes too long.
Speaker 1: It looks like crap unless you're big. And I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I just want to throw this out. There's a reason
Speaker 1: that football teams have stopped doing the dead carry a
Speaker 1: lot of times. It's because of that reason. It is
Speaker 1: completely Again, there's lot of spots that are completely insane.
Speaker 1: That's one that again, very they are just pulling it
Speaker 1: out too often with guys that just think they're a
Speaker 1: lot stronger than they really are. All right, So we
Speaker 1: had that, and then there's nobody. In the beginning of
Speaker 1: the show, Pat buck quit. He was the guy who
Speaker 1: he was an agent. And if you recall, like way
Speaker 1: back when they started using Adam Pierce Moore, uh pat Buck,
Speaker 1: I think I think they might have been considering him
Speaker 1: for the role because like he was all over TV
Speaker 1: for a short period of time and then they decided
Speaker 1: they were going to use Adam Pierce instead. But pat
Speaker 1: Buck quit, and uh, you know, the story I was told,
Speaker 1: there's no Hey, you hear stories. Do I an you
Speaker 1: to talk about Rhonda? I hear that a minute. But
Speaker 1: the story I was told was, I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: want to say the job sucks, okay, but these these agents,
Speaker 1: all of them, they work raw and SmackDown. So like
Speaker 1: most you know, the vast majority of the wrestlers, except
Speaker 1: for like the women's tag or whatever. I mean, they
Speaker 1: they work raw and then they go home or they
Speaker 1: work SmackDown and then they go home. But all of
Speaker 1: the agents they have to fly in. They have to
Speaker 1: work raw and then they they're home for like a second,
Speaker 1: and they have to fly back and they have to
Speaker 1: work SmackDown and then they have to fly in. They
Speaker 1: So anyway, the story I got was just like it's
Speaker 1: just too much like never home, always there, and he
Speaker 1: just had enough and he quit. So that was Pat Buck.
Speaker 1: I must say, I must say something about Rhonda, okay, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, Pat Buck was the agent for apparently
Speaker 1: the both main events on both nights. Some people don't
Speaker 1: understand how this whole reporting thing works and right and wrong. Okay, Listen.
Speaker 1: I have friends who are friends with Rhonda, okay, and
Speaker 1: they've they've been talking to me about Rhonda's and she
Speaker 1: came to w W E all right. I was told
Speaker 1: that Rhonda was furious that she was not main eventing WrestleMania. Okay.
Speaker 1: I didn't say she almost quit. I saw stories all
Speaker 1: over the place about I never said any of that, Okay.
Speaker 1: I was told that she was furious about it, and
Speaker 1: she left the Hall of Fame on Friday night and
Speaker 1: did come back Saturday and ended up doing the match.
Speaker 1: All right. Ronda then did a post and said she
Speaker 1: was honored to work underneath stone cold Steve Austin, and
Speaker 1: she said that the reason that she left the Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame was because I guess she had to put
Speaker 1: her baby to bed or remember what this was her baby? Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: you know the story is, that's the story. The story
Speaker 1: is that her friends, friends of hers told me that
Speaker 1: she was furious about it. She says she wasn't furious
Speaker 1: about it. That's the story. Which one is right, which
Speaker 1: one is wrong? Where's the truth in all of this?
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I'm telling you what happened. So
Speaker 1: that's it. If you want to say that I was wrong,
Speaker 1: I know one should be calling Rondall liar any There's
Speaker 1: no lying going on here, there's no stories being made up.
Speaker 1: There's two sides to this story, and you can decide
Speaker 1: which side do you want to believe. That's it. Observer
Speaker 1: Live Back in the show. Brian Elbert is here Wrestling
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Speaker 1: I don't know what's gonna happen on Raw tonight. I
Speaker 1: mean I've heard things, and uh I hinted one of them.
Speaker 1: So Cody will be on the show and he's gonna
Speaker 1: do an interview talking about whatever he's gonna talk about.
Speaker 1: He's gonna explain what's going on, I guess, and there's
Speaker 1: gonna be I'm sure some people called up and there's
Speaker 1: gonna be some some big surprises on the show tonight.
Speaker 1: But you know, as they as they say, nothing's official
Speaker 1: till it's official, So so we'll see what's going on.
Speaker 1: Nice job teasing that. Though, if if people don't get
Speaker 1: a chance to see it for themselves tonight on Raw,
Speaker 1: where can they find out about everything that happened on
Speaker 1: tonight on Raw? Well, of course you can listen to
Speaker 1: Wrestling Observer Radio with myself and Dave Meltzer at Wrestling
Speaker 1: Observer dot com. I'll be doing a post show coming
Speaker 1: up tonight, and obviously we'll be here on the show
Speaker 1: tomorrow talking all about it and collicking my money. But
Speaker 1: wait a second, Brian, Wait a second, what if What
Speaker 1: if I want to know what happened on Raw but
Speaker 1: in a more comedic way, and I want you to
Speaker 1: tell it to me personally? How could are you trying
Speaker 1: to plug my cameo? Well, I'm not gonna sit there
Speaker 1: and do a raw report on cameo. You kidding me?
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it on this show, or I can
Speaker 1: make the big box. But I did do a bunch
Speaker 1: of cameos this we can add some fun. Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: always sometimes I get like, just you know, some nothing happening,
Speaker 1: you know whatever. But of the time I get all
Speaker 1: this information and boy, it's just just winding me up
Speaker 1: and I can go for and go for a while.
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