1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:05,120 Speaker 1: The most valuable commodity I know of is information. Wouldn't 2 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:05,600 Speaker 1: you agree? 3 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 2: I've got five dollars. This is a rattle up, they tackled. 4 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 3: You're saying that humans need fantasy to make life bearable. 5 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 1: Humans need fantasy to be human. 6 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 3: My goodness, mistake, prone, the best, relentless, refusing to give up. 7 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: All right, hit that horn, very bless. 8 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 4: What is up? 9 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 2: Everybody? 10 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 3: Welcome to the Fantasy at Flex podcast from the Action 11 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 3: Network in Fantasy Labs. I'm your host, Chris Raybaon and 12 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 3: since we're still in the NFL offseason, we wanted to 13 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 3: dive a little more into one of my favorite things, 14 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 3: best ball, and to do it, we've got projections analysts 15 00:00:55,920 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 3: from Rodo Grinders Kyle Murray joining for today's episode. 16 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 2: Kyle, what's up. How's it going? 17 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 1: That's good? 18 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 4: Like you mentioned NFL offseason, but we're in the mid 19 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 4: middle of swing season for a lot of other key 20 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 4: sports that I'm working on, So it's fun to step 21 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 4: away from that for a minute and take a little 22 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 4: breath and talk about some football. 23 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: So I'm looking forward to it. 24 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 2: Oh wait, what, just curious what other sports you got 25 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 2: going on right now? 26 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 4: It's NBA and MLB mostly with a little bit of 27 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 4: PJ on the side as well. So yeah, a lot 28 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:22,400 Speaker 4: of a lot of things going on right now, but 29 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 4: it's a great time of year. 30 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 2: Oh man. 31 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:28,559 Speaker 3: I had resache last night over twelve twelve plus points, 32 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:31,400 Speaker 3: got seven in like the first three minutes, stuck and 33 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 3: finished with like nine. 34 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:34,320 Speaker 2: So yeah, it wasn't it wasn't great. 35 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 3: But yeah, let's let's get into which y'all came here for, 36 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 3: which is some basketball stuff, and we'll even talk a 37 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:46,759 Speaker 3: little bit of UFL too down the line. 38 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 2: But before we get started, we got twenty. 39 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 3: We'll have plenty of content leading up to the NFL season, 40 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 3: so be sure to subscribe to the show wherever you 41 00:01:57,160 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 3: get your podcast. Also check out the free award winning 42 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 3: Action Network app Don't Forget you can join the Action 43 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 3: Network discord, and remember all of our fantasy football content 44 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 3: available over on Fantasy labs dot com. Kyle, before we 45 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 3: jump into some bestball tips and strategies that we're kind 46 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 3: of cooking up right now, I just wanted to start 47 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:24,919 Speaker 3: things off. Any of the listeners that may not be 48 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 3: too familiar with you, let's just get to know you 49 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 3: a little bit. What's your origin story in these bestball 50 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 3: streets and these fantasy projected streets. 51 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:36,119 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think, you know, a lot of my background 52 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:38,919 Speaker 4: starts just with daily fantasy sports, you know, dating back 53 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 4: to when I was in college playing a lot of 54 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 4: you know, fantasy sports while I should have probably been 55 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:48,239 Speaker 4: studying and whatnot. But you know, nonetheless, obviously I was 56 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:50,919 Speaker 4: huge into fantasy football and high school and college got 57 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 4: really into fantasy baseball, fantasy basketball and all the DFS 58 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 4: sports and stuff, and then kind of just transition that 59 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:58,639 Speaker 4: over to you know, the DFS side for football, and 60 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 4: obviously with the rise best of all, I obviously attached 61 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:04,799 Speaker 4: myself to that as well. And then you know, in college, 62 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 4: I took a predictive polling class and I was like, hey, 63 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 4: I can probably use this towards sports stuff. So I 64 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 4: started doing that, and that's kind of how I got 65 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 4: started down the fantasy projection street and been doing this 66 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:18,359 Speaker 4: for the last six or seven years or so in 67 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 4: the industry. So it's been been you know a lot 68 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 4: of fun. And obviously with the growth of best Ball 69 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 4: and obviously doing content over at roto Grinders, the you 70 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 4: know explosion of the beastball industry has been awesome. As well, 71 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 4: So I'm looking forward to seeing how that continues to 72 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 4: go down the line. And I would say I've been 73 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 4: kind of lucky to sort of kind of grow up 74 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 4: with the best of ball world there, so hopefully we 75 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 4: can keep, you know, finding paths to explore more content, 76 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 4: more tools and stuff in the best ball streets. 77 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: So looking forward to it. 78 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 2: Love it. What's good did you go to? 79 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: Just curious? 80 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 4: I went to Central Michigan, So it's kind of a 81 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 4: small school in the middle of nowhere. 82 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 2: Colder, pretty cold, south cold, right, Yeah. 83 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely, especially you know in the real dark days 84 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 4: of winter. I think in my last year and a half, 85 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 4: I did all online classes because I was like, I'm 86 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 4: just not trying to mess what's going outside, because you know, 87 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 4: it was it was really bad, and obviously, uh, you know, 88 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 4: hunkering down and doing DFS a lot more than I 89 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 4: was doing school, which again probably not any any kids 90 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:16,480 Speaker 4: in school. It's nuts and I would recommend, but you know, 91 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 4: luckily or adopt for me, so I'll take it. Yeah. 92 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 2: I went to Syracuse. 93 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 3: It was super cold there, and there were times where 94 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 3: I just didn't go to class, and I didn't have 95 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 3: online classes either, like my g P A very I 96 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:31,799 Speaker 3: think it was like I was like a low floor, 97 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:33,840 Speaker 3: high ceiling guy. Like I think I was everywhere from 98 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 3: like a two three to like a three eight. 99 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:41,160 Speaker 2: So, uh, but we digress. Let's uh, let's let's talk about, uh, 100 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:43,480 Speaker 2: what is your favorite thing? I know mine, but what 101 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:46,039 Speaker 2: is your favorite thing about about playing basketball? 102 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:47,159 Speaker 1: Yeah? 103 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:50,479 Speaker 4: I think for me it's it's obviously the drafting season 104 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 4: is probably my favorite portion. Obviously the sweat can be 105 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,840 Speaker 4: along along process with the season long sweat there, but 106 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 4: I think the acting season and being able to get 107 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 4: so into the football season and you know, kind of 108 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 4: looking back on how your takes progress and whatnot throughout 109 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 4: the season, I think, you know, especially during these kind 110 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 4: of slower summer months, I guess, you know, June, July, August, 111 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 4: where you're doing all these drafts and obviously for us, 112 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 4: doing a lot of content, putting bets out there, putting 113 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:23,160 Speaker 4: takes out there. I think my favorite part about it 114 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 4: is just you know, looking back on how the season 115 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 4: progressed compared to you know, how you know you started 116 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 4: your thoughts on the season, and then just drafting. I 117 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:34,279 Speaker 4: think for me, the best part about fantasy sports, especially 118 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:36,279 Speaker 4: season long stuff like the Best Ball and even if 119 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 4: you're doing home leagues with your with your. 120 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: Friends and stuff, obviously the season is always great. 121 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 4: But for me, you know, the draft prep and the 122 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 4: drafting is probably my favorite part of best Aall. 123 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean there's a there's a lot to 124 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:50,600 Speaker 3: choose from. I could say, you know, having like four 125 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:53,160 Speaker 3: or five drafts going on at once, or you know, 126 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 3: creating some crazy, crazy contrarian stat but I think the 127 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:59,919 Speaker 3: favorite part of Best Ball for me is just waking 128 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 3: up Sunday morning and knowing I mean, you know, all 129 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 3: these uh hundreds of weeks and I don't have to 130 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 3: set any lineups. That that that to me, I mean 131 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 3: that that just that that's just the game changer. So 132 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 3: h love love that aspect of of Besketball. But do 133 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 3: you have any advice for uh, somebody listening who may 134 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 3: be a little bit newer. I know we probably have 135 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 3: a lot of hardcore listeners who are listening to the 136 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 3: flex spot here in whatever we're in April now again 137 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 3: in April, but uh, if somebody's a bit new to 138 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 3: Bestball in particular, what kind of advice do you have 139 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 3: for them? 140 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:39,599 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think the same sort of advice 141 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 4: can kind of translate to you know, sports betting or dfs, 142 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 4: But for Best Ball, I would say for the most 143 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 4: important thing is, especially if someone is new, is just 144 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 4: to kind of know your goal and understand that if 145 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 4: you're using this as an entertainment value or if you 146 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 4: know you're trying to grind out ROI I would definitely 147 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 4: just know your goal and know what you're trying to 148 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:57,479 Speaker 4: get yourself into beforehand, and. 149 00:06:57,640 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 1: Obviously know that it can be a grind. 150 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 4: Right if you're a guy who's going into the Best 151 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 4: Ball streets trying to draft you know, two hundred teams 152 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 4: or fill up all. 153 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 1: These contexts, it's going to be a grind. 154 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 4: You're gonna have to be doing that for you know, 155 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 4: pretty much the entire summer, probably starting as soon as 156 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 4: you can and going up until they close these drafts. 157 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 4: So I would say that can definitely be a grind 158 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 4: if you're trying to you know, be someone who grinds 159 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 4: all these drafts. But lastly, I would say just using 160 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 4: all the content and tools at your disposal. Obviously here 161 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 4: we have a ton of great stuff at fancy labs 162 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 4: and rotor grinders and scares and no os and all 163 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 4: that stuff, so definitely taking advantage. There's just so many 164 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 4: awesome tools and really you essentially don't need to go 165 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 4: into any draft line just because you know you can 166 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 4: cook a few buttons, get a ton of strong information 167 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 4: and data right at your fingertips during all these drafts, 168 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 4: so definitely make sure to use. 169 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: All of those at your disposal. 170 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean two hundred drafts. I think you give 171 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 2: me to the end of April. 172 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 3: I probably could get two hundred drafts and got to 173 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 3: do with that like seven a day, so one every 174 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 3: two hours. 175 00:07:53,560 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, we live and breathe basketball, don't work, don't do jobs. 176 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 2: I was, yeah, I'm with you know, I was. 177 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 3: I was like when I when I was at my 178 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 3: first job. I was just I probably put more effort 179 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:10,679 Speaker 3: into fantasy reacharch. 180 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 4: I mean I was. 181 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 3: I built an MLB mode when you know how how 182 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 3: involved that gets, and uh yeah, but at the end 183 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 3: of the day it paid off and uh shout to 184 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 3: my guy Tom Burke who who didn't care and I 185 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 3: did my work so uh now here but uh yeah, 186 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 3: let's uh let's go a little deeper into that, because 187 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 3: you know, you mentioned kind of all right, know your goal, 188 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 3: you know you could do it for entertainment, and you 189 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:38,319 Speaker 3: just kind of, you know, go into dollar games and 190 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:40,839 Speaker 3: and and you know, just kind of be drafted teams 191 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 3: and maybe you miss a pick here. 192 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:43,840 Speaker 2: And there, and as you're living your life. 193 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 3: But if you are that person that's kind of interested 194 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:50,719 Speaker 3: in maybe maybe you were you were kind of you 195 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 3: love fantasy and and you're looking to kind of increase 196 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 3: your exposure, and the Best Balls a way to do that. 197 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 3: You could quickly go from being in you know, a 198 00:08:58,120 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 3: couple of weeks to a couple of hundred if you 199 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 3: if you so true. So if you're trying to grind 200 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 3: out a profit, how like what what is the general 201 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 3: where are the general steps? 202 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:09,559 Speaker 2: Like the dues that don't like I think you know 203 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 2: some of them. 204 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 3: You know, for me, definitely want to be a little 205 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 3: bit uh contrarian in Best Ball regardless because they're still 206 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 3: you're still kind of aiming for for upside and things 207 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 3: like that. But what are you what are your tips 208 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 3: for people that are looking to uh do it for 209 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 3: more than just entertainment. 210 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:29,439 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you know, not being afraid to be 211 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 4: contraller is definitely a strong, uh kind of tip to 212 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 4: throw out there. Uh, and that can also kind of 213 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:37,439 Speaker 4: go hand in hand with diversification, which I think is 214 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 4: super important for. 215 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: Best ball especially. 216 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 4: I always to remind myself of this, because it's so 217 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 4: easy to just get pigeonholed into a few stacks that 218 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 4: you like or a few players that you like, especially 219 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 4: when you know another key proponent of best ball is 220 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 4: just trying to find value when you can. And you know, 221 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 4: when you're finding that value consistently, can be very easy 222 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 4: to hit the same button over and over again, draft 223 00:09:57,440 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 4: the same kind of a guy. Uh, and you know, 224 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 4: obviously if p out, that's fantastic. But again, in a 225 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 4: season full of injuries and trades and all these things 226 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 4: that can happen through NFL season, things can happen, or 227 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 4: you can just flat out get situations wrong. That's going 228 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:13,559 Speaker 4: to happen. So that's why I think diversification is so important, 229 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 4: especially when you're doing so many lineups or so many drafts. 230 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 4: So I think that's definitely a key part of best ball. 231 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:23,079 Speaker 4: So I would say diversification correlation is also massive. Obviously 232 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 4: you're wanting to do all these stacks, make sure you 233 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 4: are giving yourself the best chance to where if you 234 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:30,319 Speaker 4: get one thing, right, it can translate throughout other portions 235 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 4: of your roster. 236 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 1: So correlation is massive as well. 237 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:35,959 Speaker 4: Obviously people like to talk about the end of season 238 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 4: playoff stacks as well. 239 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 1: It's just another form of correlation. 240 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 4: And then, like I mentioned earlier, value trying to find 241 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 4: guys who are undervalued by the industry, by the market, 242 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 4: but also you know, finding spots that are overvalued and 243 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 4: looking to maybe find poke holes in those sorts of 244 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 4: cases and kind of figure out why those guys are 245 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 4: being drafted too early. Maybe some spots where you can 246 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 4: kind of get an edge there by fading a few guys. 247 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 4: But again, you know, just because you're off of guys 248 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:03,839 Speaker 4: coming into the year, you don't necessarily want to have 249 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 4: zero of them. 250 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:04,560 Speaker 1: Right. 251 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 4: There were plenty of people last season who had you know, 252 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 4: say Quon Barkley as some of that they were overvalued 253 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:12,599 Speaker 4: for and obviously we saw that panned out with a 254 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 4: massive season for Saekwon Barkley. Derrick Henry saying things so again, diversification, 255 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 4: I would say, it's probably the main thing that I 256 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 4: would keep preaching for best of all. 257 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, we'll let's talk more about diversification 258 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 3: in a second. 259 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 2: Because it is so important. 260 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 3: But you know, if you're kind of newer to Best Ball, 261 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 3: you know, let's say you're just drafting your first team, 262 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 3: I think that you know that correlation is so important 263 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 3: because in best Ball, yeah, it's just like fantasy leagues 264 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 3: in the sense that you know, at the end of 265 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 3: the year, you know, you want to be on top, 266 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 3: but most of these contests are going to reward people, 267 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:53,679 Speaker 3: you know, who finish in that top one percentile, that 268 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 3: top point one percentile, and so you really want to 269 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 3: make sure that your team is correlated. There's a very 270 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:06,679 Speaker 3: high value on stacking, and that's been kind of proven 271 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 3: over and over again. And when I say stacking, I mean, 272 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 3: you know, quarterback or at least one of his past catchers, 273 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 3: you know, you know, sometimes even his running back. It's 274 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:19,079 Speaker 3: just that's so important. And now with a lot of 275 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 3: these contests the way they're set up, some of these 276 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 3: bigger GPPs, you're looking at, you know, the championship week 277 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 3: being week you know, eighteen, and there's been some some 278 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 3: research done that shows that you might want to be 279 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 3: stacking with week eighteen in mind. So that's just absolutely crucial, 280 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 3: and you know, just kind of you know, it's kind 281 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 3: of obvious to us because we do probably one hundreds 282 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 3: of these things, But there's different Like value is different 283 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 3: right in in Bestball compared to season Wall. So aren't 284 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 3: you talking a little bit more about that, Like we're 285 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 3: obviously looking for higher ceilings here. We don't care as 286 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 3: much about about low floor. So value is somewhat different 287 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 3: compared to two other leagues. 288 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, especially when you you know, take out the you know, 289 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 4: the the variants or the variable of having to set 290 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 4: your roster right every week and when you're doing season 291 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:14,199 Speaker 4: long drafts with your with your home leagues and you 292 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:16,959 Speaker 4: have to actually set your roster. Having that floor is 293 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 4: actually you know, better just for making that decision. But 294 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:23,439 Speaker 4: when it comes to Best Ball and you are basically 295 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 4: given you know, all these guys and the top scores 296 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:27,839 Speaker 4: is going to be automatically places in your lineup, it 297 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 4: just makes it easier to you know, seek out guys 298 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 4: who have that ceiling right because you know, on the 299 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 4: weeks where they have that off week, you don't have 300 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 4: to worry about you know, rostering them in the wrong spot. 301 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 4: But also vice versa, you don't have worry about having 302 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:42,439 Speaker 4: them on your bench when they go off for that 303 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 4: thirty point week, right, So I do think that that 304 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 4: added variable of not having to set a roster, it 305 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 4: just makes makes it more important to seek out those 306 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 4: those ceiling guys and you know, adding value to those 307 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 4: guys in your projections. For the guys who had that 308 00:13:57,200 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 4: that boom bust type arsenal within their projection. 309 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know a guy like and this is 310 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 3: another thing is you know, it really sharpens your weight 311 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:13,199 Speaker 3: rounds strategies and selections. And you know, if you're just 312 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 3: used to playing regular fantasy and you start playing basketball, 313 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 3: you know you have. 314 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 2: To draft eighteen twenty rounds a pick. 315 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 3: So I think something else that's important is that you know, 316 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 3: we talked about correlations and stacking and a lot of 317 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 3: times the value weight it kind of it kind of 318 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 3: dictates itself because you know, let's say you have, uh, 319 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 3: you know, whoever your two quarterbacks are. 320 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 2: Let's say you have like Derek Carr and Anthony Richardson. 321 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 3: You know, guys like and Alec Pierce, Guys like an 322 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 3: MVS or who like last year or who you know, 323 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 3: whoever's on. 324 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 2: Well, I guess what MBS can start there. 325 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 3: But you know what I mean, like, uh, shi guys 326 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 3: late late in the draft, you're gonna kind of look at, 327 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 3: you know that those second, third, fourth pass catchers because 328 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 3: you're trying to stack as much as possible with all 329 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 3: the quarterbacks on your roster. So there's been a lot 330 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 3: of times where I've just kind of backed in to, 331 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 3: you know, great late round picks just because they happen 332 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 3: to be, you know, the number two or number three 333 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 3: or number four option for some you know, mid to 334 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 3: late round quarterback that I happen to have, or even 335 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 3: early round quarterback that I happen to have on my roster, 336 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 3: and I'm. 337 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 2: Just trying to stack. 338 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 3: So I'll give like an example, like one of the 339 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 3: first drafts I did this year, and especially now you 340 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 3: can go to trarian. You don't don't feel like you 341 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 3: gotta follow ADP, but I think I started with Gentia 342 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 3: and Bucky Irving, and then I went Lamar Andrew Flowers, 343 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 3: Andrews and just like Bateman sometime way to just stack 344 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 3: the entire Ravens. And that's more important than necessarily, you know, 345 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 3: kind of splitting hairs about the values of some of 346 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 3: the other players in between. So like value comes from 347 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 3: you know, your correlations and your stacks, and it comes 348 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 3: from it comes from upside, you know, like you said, 349 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 3: because you don't have to to set a lineup. 350 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 2: But you mentioned that a couple of times. 351 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 3: Diversification, Kyle, and I think that's so important because that 352 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 3: really is your best tool to win Best Ball. 353 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 2: You know, in season one, we you know, maybe it's 354 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 2: you know, you just kind of. 355 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 3: Want to have that perfect draft or maybe take advantage 356 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 3: of of some of your league mates or whatever. 357 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 2: Not maybe it's trades in season, but in Best. 358 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 3: Ball, you have one shot, and I think in per 359 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 3: you know, per entry, and so you really want to 360 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 3: increase those those uh those entry the number of entries, 361 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 3: because then you increase the number of players. And uh 362 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 3: talk to me about roster builds too, because I find 363 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 3: that it's not just like I'm trying to diversify a 364 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 3: bunch of different quarterbacks, running backs, whatever, but roster bilds 365 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 3: like I'm trying to do some early early running backs, 366 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 3: some late running backs, and you know, go wide receiver 367 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 3: heavy early, fade wide receiver early, all those different kind 368 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 3: of things. Is that how you kind of approach it 369 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:05,640 Speaker 3: as well, or what's your approach to diversification. 370 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you kind of you outlined are pretty 371 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 1: good there. 372 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 4: I mean in terms of when you're going into a 373 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 4: season of drafting, like for example, last year, just a 374 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 4: spot where you know, a reason why diversification is so important. 375 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:20,920 Speaker 4: Last year, really high in Rashid Rice obviously got to 376 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,200 Speaker 4: a great start, gets injured out for the year. That's 377 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 4: a guy who you know, you know, sure if he 378 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 4: plays the whole season, you're probably feeling really great about 379 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:30,440 Speaker 4: that about that draft pick, right, But you know, injuries happen. 380 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 4: All these all these variables happened throughout the season, and 381 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 4: that's sort of why you don't want to go super 382 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 4: you know, crazy on on situations with this, especially when 383 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 4: you have hundreds of lineups like you mentioned, you want 384 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:41,880 Speaker 4: to give you a chance, you give yourself as many 385 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:44,199 Speaker 4: chances as possible to kind of hit the nuts right 386 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 4: and hit that correct combo and get that that top 387 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:50,680 Speaker 4: end one percent draft. But in terms of builds as well, 388 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 4: and you know, you don't want to pitcheonhole yourself. You know, 389 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 4: we see guys on Twitter all the time and the 390 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:58,440 Speaker 4: fantasy Twitter streets talking about you know, zero. 391 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 1: RB or hero or whatever it may be and whatever. 392 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 4: You know, let's say even if you are someone who 393 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 4: has a really strong take on a on a certain 394 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 4: sort of format or certain type of draft, it's also 395 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:10,680 Speaker 4: still not a spot where you want to go and 396 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 4: completely pigionhole yourself into that one uh sort of draft type, 397 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:17,679 Speaker 4: because again, things can happen, you know, weird situations can 398 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:20,360 Speaker 4: have built the NFL. You can simply have a few 399 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 4: takes that are wrong, and you just don't want to 400 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 4: end up handcuffing yourself to you know, one one type 401 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 4: of player, one type of strategy, because again, you're drafting 402 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 4: all of these teams for a reason where you're trying 403 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:31,879 Speaker 4: to give yourself as many chances to build that one 404 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:35,880 Speaker 4: percent roster, that one percent draft. So by by sort 405 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:38,120 Speaker 4: of tying yourself down to you know, a few type 406 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 4: of players or a certain sort of draft, you're kind 407 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 4: of hurting your chances there. So that's why again defistication 408 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 4: is so important. 409 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, especially I think in those in those first 410 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 3: few rounds, you know, because you know, in those first 411 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:53,920 Speaker 3: you know, four or five rounds, it's you know, we 412 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 3: always say in in season one, it's hard to win 413 00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 3: your draft in those rounds, but it's easy to lose it. 414 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:01,919 Speaker 3: I think the same is true for Best Ball if 415 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 3: you're always targeting the same guys over and over just 416 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 3: because you have them ranked you know, a few spots higher. 417 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 3: You know, if you see my rankings or your rankings 418 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:13,680 Speaker 3: or Sean Kerner's rankings, and you know we're. 419 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 2: You know, four or five spots higher on a guy. 420 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 3: That's you know, if we're if we have let's say 421 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 3: one hundred drafts, that doesn't mean we take that guy 422 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 3: one hundred times out of one hundred in Best Ball, right, 423 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 3: because you want to get those diverse that diversification and 424 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:31,640 Speaker 3: especially I think that the diverse roster bills, like you said, 425 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 3: you know, not just leaning into one particular strategy because 426 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,880 Speaker 3: there's gonna be so many articles that you're gonna see zer. 427 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 2: RB is the strategy to use this year? Or here 428 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 2: are we you know, you know, whatever it is. 429 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:46,119 Speaker 3: It's like everyone can kind of make a case for 430 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 3: whatever strategy and there's gonna be data or you know, 431 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 3: counterpoints or whatnot. But the bottom line is, you just 432 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 3: got the The reason we preach diversification is because it 433 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:59,919 Speaker 3: allows you to take advantage of uncertainty. 434 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 2: So uh, that's that's kind of how you want to 435 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:04,439 Speaker 2: approach it, And I. 436 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 3: Want to ask you how do you because stacking is 437 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 3: something that you know, it's it's very important, you know, 438 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:19,639 Speaker 3: stacking your quarterback, but it's not necessarily you know, intuitive, 439 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:22,920 Speaker 3: especially if you're just starting out or or even if 440 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 3: you're seasoned. You know, there's a lot of different ways 441 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 3: to go about it. 442 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 2: So my question to you is, how do you. 443 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 3: Kind of go about deciding who you're going to stack? 444 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 3: And let's say, you know, is it kind of based 445 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 3: on your draft position and who which stud receivers you 446 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 3: get early? Do you kind of go into a draft, 447 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 3: you know, targeting certain quarterbacks and you know, maybe if 448 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 3: the receivers are going ahead of them, you're kind of 449 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 3: making sure you get those guys with the intention to 450 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:55,920 Speaker 3: get the quarterback. And what happens if you kind of, 451 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 3: you know, screw it up or somebody snipes you? Like, 452 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 3: how do you just kind of go about as the 453 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 3: draft progresses and where does it really start to take 454 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 3: shape for you? 455 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:07,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it kind of depends on in terms 456 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 4: of the early round guys. You know, if there are 457 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:12,119 Speaker 4: receivers that I like early and you know, there are 458 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 4: definitely plenty of receivers, so you can draft without stacking right, 459 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 4: but you know, there are also great chances to go 460 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:20,440 Speaker 4: and complete those stacks with guys that you get early 461 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 4: in the draft. I think in terms of you know, 462 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:26,720 Speaker 4: going into drafts and thinking about stacking, in my opinion, 463 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:29,920 Speaker 4: the more often a stack can sort of be flexible, 464 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 4: it makes it more likely that I'm able to get them. 465 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 4: For example, like, there's gonna be plenty of situations where 466 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,640 Speaker 4: we have, you know, quarterback who we compare with two, three, four, 467 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 4: maybe receivers maybe one. There's you know, there's a dart 468 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:42,959 Speaker 4: throw at the end of the draft, but also tight 469 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 4: end in the mix, maybe a pass catch and running back. 470 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 4: So I think just going into the draft knowing that 471 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:51,160 Speaker 4: your goal is to have as much correlation as possible, 472 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 4: but also knowing that you can be flexible within these stacks, 473 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 4: it goes a long way. But I definitely think there 474 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,119 Speaker 4: are chances are there's gonna be chances where you're in 475 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,439 Speaker 4: a draft you have quarterback that you really like, right, 476 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 4: and you know you have a couple of you know, 477 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,119 Speaker 4: late receivers that you want to pair him with, and 478 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 4: you know they get snipered what it may be, and 479 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 4: sometimes there's really no ways to pivot. But I guess 480 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,119 Speaker 4: there's gonna be times where just not being afraid to 481 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 4: stay within that stack, but you know, also uh, you know, 482 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 4: take a different chance. 483 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 1: Right. 484 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:21,399 Speaker 4: So for example, something that comes to my mind from 485 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 4: last year was the Cincinnati stack. 486 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,919 Speaker 1: Right. It was Jermaine Burton as that third receiver all 487 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:27,440 Speaker 1: year long. 488 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 4: But for me drafting Cincinnati teams, you had Mike Sicki, 489 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 4: who I thought was, you know, one of my favorite 490 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 4: you know, late round tight end picks. Him with Joe 491 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 4: Burrow Yoshibas ended up being really popular as the summer 492 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:41,680 Speaker 4: went on, but early on in draft season he wasn't 493 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 4: necessarily somebody that a lot of people were talking about. 494 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 1: So, you know, especially with. 495 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 4: These top end offenses, these guys that we are assuming 496 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 4: a ton of production is going to come from from 497 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 4: these offenses, situations can. 498 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:53,679 Speaker 1: Go really haywire, right. 499 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,360 Speaker 4: I don't think anybody really expected Jermaine Burton to sort 500 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 4: of fall off the wagon from a off the field standpoint, 501 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 4: but you know, things happen, and you know, being able 502 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,440 Speaker 4: to stay within that offense but also just you know, 503 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 4: get little bit more contrarian and take those chances of 504 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 4: special guys later in the draft. Where you know, if 505 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 4: you miss on a sixteen seventeenth round pick, it's not 506 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 4: necessarily going to kill your your chances, right souse, adding 507 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 4: those those more of those dart throws to that stack 508 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:17,160 Speaker 4: throughout the draft. 509 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, and let's get straight, your main Burton is he 510 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:23,959 Speaker 2: didn't fall off the wagon. He just fell asleep in meetings. 511 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 3: That that's that's the way he's falling. But yeah, point 512 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,639 Speaker 3: taking and and that's really a great point. And I 513 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:34,639 Speaker 3: think for me, uh my, and you kind of hit 514 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 3: on another point, which was that you know, over the 515 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 3: course of the off season, ADP and value will change, right. 516 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 3: So that's another reason why diversification is important and why 517 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 3: it's good to start drafting teams now because you'll get 518 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 3: a nice, uh you know, nice mix of goy you know, 519 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:00,040 Speaker 3: of exposure to all the different ADPs and so so 520 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,200 Speaker 3: you can kind of draft the hype guys, you know, 521 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,360 Speaker 3: add of value and then when it you know, when 522 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,200 Speaker 3: it's when the cats out the bag and you know, 523 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,719 Speaker 3: August you could kind of fade those guys and take 524 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 3: some guys who are who are following, you know, just 525 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 3: because all these hype guys a rising and you know, 526 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 3: other guys are falling for for no reason. 527 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 2: So like the way I kind of approach stacks, especially 528 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 2: at this time. 529 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 3: Of year, is I I generally aimed to go more 530 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:30,440 Speaker 3: of my late round quarterback teams and builds this time 531 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 3: of year because that just makes it, you know, gives 532 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 3: me more flexibility to stack and you know, depending on 533 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 3: what values followed me in the first few rounds, you know, 534 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,920 Speaker 3: depending on what receivers I get, and I can kind 535 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 3: of go and be fairly confident that day that the 536 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 3: quarterback I needed is going to be there later in 537 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 3: the drafts. And then uh, you know, as it gets 538 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,200 Speaker 3: into you know, August, then I'll start looking at my 539 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:58,680 Speaker 3: overall exposures and I'll probably be a little bit lower 540 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 3: on h you know, the Josh Allens and the Lamars 541 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 3: and the and those guys, and that's when I'll kind of, 542 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,119 Speaker 3: you know, make a more considered effort to kind of 543 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 3: get those exposures to where I want and be more aggressive, 544 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 3: you know, early, because you know, now all these late 545 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,879 Speaker 3: round quarterbacks, or at least the good the ones that 546 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 3: are that kind of are the top values. You know, 547 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 3: think you're Jayden Daniels, you know, I remember I was 548 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,440 Speaker 3: getting him you know, QB fifteen, sixteen eighteen, and by 549 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 3: the time the season rolled around, he was going what 550 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:28,240 Speaker 3: like QB nine. 551 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 2: So yeah, that's the way I kind of approach it. 552 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:36,119 Speaker 3: I'm more of a you know, early quarterback, a little 553 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 3: closer when they just kind of fall unnecessarily. I remember 554 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,680 Speaker 3: thinking like Lamar Jackson was was going a lot later 555 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,640 Speaker 3: than he should have like at certain times last year. 556 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 3: Not because of anything to do with Lamar Jackson, so 557 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,679 Speaker 3: just that there's gonna be a lot of opportunities if 558 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,680 Speaker 3: you're you're you're drafting throughout the offseason. Talk to me 559 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 3: a little bit about you know, rotor grinders is a 560 00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,880 Speaker 3: great tool. You mentioned it earlier when you're talking about 561 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 3: you know, best Ball projections, and there's a bunch of 562 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 3: tools there that that you can use to make better 563 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 3: selections and build better teams. Talk to me a bit 564 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:13,359 Speaker 3: more about how you know some of those things and 565 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 3: how you use roto grinders to improve your Best Ball 566 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:18,399 Speaker 3: drafting process. 567 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:19,120 Speaker 1: Yeah. 568 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 4: Obviously a lot of people know us for our daily 569 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,159 Speaker 4: Fantasy tools, but this past year we rolled out a 570 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 4: ton of new Best Ball stuff as well. Obviously, we 571 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 4: have player projections for every single player on every single team, 572 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,920 Speaker 4: and you know that gets really really refined through the season. 573 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 4: But we go very deep because we're also doing the 574 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 4: preseason projections as well, so we're projecting guys who we 575 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,160 Speaker 4: think are going to be playing regular season snaps all 576 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,920 Speaker 4: the way down the depth charts, so you get the 577 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:46,680 Speaker 4: projections and rankings for every single player every single stack category. 578 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 4: So if you're using it for for bets as well 579 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 4: as best Ball, you can use those projections that way. 580 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,239 Speaker 4: We have our Stacked tool as well, where you can 581 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 4: sort of see every team how they grade out from 582 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 4: a stack perspective, on a value standpoint, but also from 583 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 4: project action standpoint. We break down their potential matchups in 584 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 4: the playoffs as well in that tool, So lots of 585 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 4: great information in that Stacking tool. A value report where 586 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 4: we gave our favorite plays based on tiers through the draft, early, 587 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 4: mid and late tiers at every position, so that's going 588 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 4: to be available and updated throughout the course of the 589 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 4: drafting season. We have best Bets as well. Last year 590 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,399 Speaker 4: we did pretty well in the futures category, so not 591 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 4: quite best Ball, but still something that we do within 592 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 4: the Roto Grinders prop model, and every week we do 593 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 4: a weekly podcast Slash Show with myself and Christian Meina, 594 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,640 Speaker 4: which will probably start some time after the draft when 595 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,359 Speaker 4: we start getting these projections rolling. 596 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,119 Speaker 1: But yeah, for me, the thing that I use the 597 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,359 Speaker 1: most is the Stacks tool. I love the stacks that 598 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 1: we have there. 599 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 4: We not only do we show the potential stacking options, 600 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 4: but I love the correlation that we have within not 601 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,719 Speaker 4: only that team, but also the matchup we have week sixteen, 602 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:59,159 Speaker 4: Week seventeen matchups and also where we're projecting their defense 603 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 4: to rank as well. So you look at the stacking 604 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:06,200 Speaker 4: tool from last year ce Cincinnati Week seventeen matchup against Denver, 605 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,160 Speaker 4: there we have their defensive ranking as well. 606 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,639 Speaker 1: So yeah, I think that was definitely one of my 607 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:11,680 Speaker 1: most used tools. 608 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 4: Had it open during I think every single draft I did, 609 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:15,399 Speaker 4: so that went a long way for me last year. 610 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,119 Speaker 3: Any stacks you want to mention right now, Any anything 611 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 3: you're kind of you find yourself a little heavy on 612 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 3: at this moment. Just any guys you happen to be 613 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:26,720 Speaker 3: high on this time of year you got. 614 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,359 Speaker 4: Yeah, so I haven't looked a whole lot at you know, 615 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,439 Speaker 4: kind of where the market is, but definitely I'm going 616 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 4: to have some interest in Chicago this year. I think 617 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 4: Ben Johnson's going to be able to do some big things. Obviously, 618 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 4: being a Lions fan, Ben Johnson shifting over to the 619 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 4: Bears is a little bit bittersweet there, but I do 620 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 4: think he'll be able to, you know, make things happen 621 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 4: with Caleb Williams in this offense. They also upgraded their 622 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 4: offensive line a little bit, which I thought was to 623 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 4: me very important. 624 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 1: I think I'm like Jacksonville again. 625 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,959 Speaker 4: I did like them last year as well, but obviously 626 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 4: they cleared house other than Brian Thomas, no Christian Kirk, 627 00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 4: no Evan Ingram, So I think guys are going to 628 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 4: be The ceiling is gonna be very very high for 629 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 4: Brian Thomas and then the Giants as well. Obviously we're 630 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 4: gonna have to sort out the quarterback the situation here, 631 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 4: but obviously it's an upgrade for Malik Neighbors and whoever. 632 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 4: I'm assuming it's gonna be Rusty getting the first crack 633 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 4: at the starting role there. But you know, you got 634 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 4: two exciting quarterbacks there, that's for sure. So I think 635 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 4: the Giants are gonna be a team that I'm also 636 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 4: on as well. 637 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 3: You're talking to a Giants fan who is not is 638 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 3: not very thrilled our quarterback depth try. 639 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,239 Speaker 2: I think I think it's like a I think it's 640 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 2: like a joke, man. 641 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 3: I mean, I hope you would hope you would think 642 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 3: you would think that Russ and Jamis are better than 643 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 3: you know, Tommy DeVito can barely throw football, but I 644 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 3: mean Jamis throws it to the other team, and Russ, 645 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,440 Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know what this guy I really. 646 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 3: I really hope we still draft a rookie, but I 647 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 3: definitely agree with you on Chicago. And another team I'm 648 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 3: looking at is the Patriots because I think I just 649 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 3: really like what I saw out of Drake May last year, 650 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 3: and uh, you know you got you got Stefan Diggs. 651 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 3: But I still think there's going to be value because 652 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 3: you know, we'll see what the Patriots do, uh in 653 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 3: the draft. Doesn't sound like they're going to go with 654 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 3: a skill guy in the first round, so they'll probably 655 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,960 Speaker 3: be value on you know, all their other pass catches 656 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 3: and maybe maybe even digs too. So I think Drake 657 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 3: May it is going to have the ability to just 658 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 3: turn guys into two stars or at least make them, 659 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 3: you know, productive fantasy assets. Kind of like uh so 660 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 3: you know Jayden Daniels and Zach Ertz last year, so 661 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,760 Speaker 3: kind of looking at the uh the New England Patriots 662 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 3: as well, like them basketball, like them in uh in 663 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 3: the betting mark futures markets as well. But uh, before 664 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 3: we get out of here, I do want to talk 665 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:53,000 Speaker 3: to you about one more thing, and that is the UFL. 666 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 3: I know you're deep into your UFL projections, so uh, 667 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 3: first of all, what do you got going on with UFL? 668 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 2: Where where could people find it? 669 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, you can get our projections over at roller Grinders. 670 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 4: Those are usually gonna be up either Wednesday afternoon or 671 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 4: Thursday morning at the latest for the upcoming you know, 672 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 4: weekly slates of games in the UFL. 673 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:17,960 Speaker 1: I mean, if you're someone who is, you. 674 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 4: Know, primarily a football enthusiast, right, you don't really get 675 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 4: into the MLB or the NBA stuff. UFL is a 676 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 4: great kind of uh, I guess bridge from the off season, right, 677 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 4: and especially if you're someone who's doing best ball, you 678 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 4: can kind of take a couple of month break after 679 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 4: the Super Bowl, then get into UFL, then do the 680 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 4: best ball drafts. Then you know, right around the corner 681 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 4: is season long and preseason then right then you have 682 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 4: the season. So yeah, UFL has been great and the 683 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 4: markets actually getting bigger, which is something that I was 684 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 4: curious on coming into the year. But we now have 685 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 4: player props on larger books like Draftings and fandom and 686 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 4: stuff like that, so that's been good to see as well. 687 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 4: The prize pools for dfs look pretty strong so far 688 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 4: as well, so hopefully that we can keep that up. 689 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 4: But yeah, UFL projections be up probably Wednesday, updates throughout 690 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 4: the week. 691 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 1: So if you're interested in UFL, it's not the biggest 692 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 1: league from a marketing standpoint. 693 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 4: Uh, you know, you're gonna see it every so often 694 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 4: on social media, but it's definitely something that you can 695 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 4: make money on from a betting and fantasy perspective. And 696 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:18,760 Speaker 4: for me personally, I've had a lot of success in 697 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 4: like these niche markets throughout these sports, you know, like tennis, 698 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 4: UFL specifically w n B A, So I think there's 699 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 4: plenty of ways to find you know, value and potential 700 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 4: profit spots here in sports like uf L. 701 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, it kind of reminds me of those early you 702 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 3: know days of the wild Wild West and DFS when 703 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 3: you know, if you were kind of like a hardcore 704 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 3: DFS guy. 705 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 2: Early on you there was there was edges. 706 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 3: To be had because the market was just a little 707 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 3: softer and there wasn't all these sharks yet. 708 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 2: And I'm guessing that's how UFL is. 709 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 3: And I just want want to ask because like I've done, 710 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 3: I've done projections for what were those It was like 711 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,160 Speaker 3: AF and a bunch of those other leagues at different times, 712 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 3: So like, what's the what's kind. 713 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 2: Of the biggest UH change? 714 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 3: That's like the biggest thing when you're when you're projecting 715 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 3: UFL compared to NFL, the biggest kind of thing process 716 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 3: wise or just stats wise, whatever it could be. We average, 717 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 3: it's different. Just something that sticks out to you projection 718 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 3: wise between the two leagues. 719 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, obviously just the the scoring is down 720 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 4: a bit, just because the players on the offensive side 721 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 4: aren't as as good as the NFL players. Obviously you 722 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 4: don't have the you know, the big time UH production, 723 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 4: I would say from an offensive perspective. But I would 724 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 4: say that's the big difference between the NFL and the UFL. 725 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:39,880 Speaker 4: But there is definitely still a lot of the same 726 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 4: similarities right where you're looking for correlation and all that stuff. 727 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,960 Speaker 4: I guess one thing that's different this year compared to 728 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 4: you know, years past was just the. 729 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:48,240 Speaker 1: EXFL and some of that. 730 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:52,200 Speaker 4: Positionally, we do get pretty solid injury reporting, which goes 731 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 4: a long way. You know, if anybody here has followed 732 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 4: us when doing preseason stuff, we get way better information 733 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 4: in UFL than in preseason from an injury perspective. So 734 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 4: that's been pretty nice the past couple of years in 735 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 4: the UFL, so I have to get like depth charts 736 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,440 Speaker 4: every single week, updated for every single game, so that's 737 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:12,480 Speaker 4: been very helpful. So I will say very impressed by 738 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,160 Speaker 4: with the league is going on from an injury reporting perspective. 739 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 1: But you know, the scoring is down a little bit compared. 740 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,480 Speaker 4: To NFL, but still, you know, lots of lots of 741 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 4: fun stuff and again the niche market, like you mentioned, 742 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:23,319 Speaker 4: a little bit softer. 743 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,719 Speaker 1: So definitely you know some spots to make some money. 744 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:30,319 Speaker 3: Love it UFL projections go check them out on Rodogrinders 745 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,279 Speaker 3: dot com and Kyle before I let you go, in 746 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:38,919 Speaker 3: case we got any carryover from our betting podcast on here, 747 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,480 Speaker 3: UH do you do you have a pick for the 748 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:45,319 Speaker 3: uh the Championship the UFL Championship winner for this year. 749 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,840 Speaker 2: I think the Stallions are the favorite. If I'm not mistaken, 750 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 2: Yes they are. 751 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:52,440 Speaker 4: And you know, I don't want to be that guy 752 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 4: to side with the Stallions, but you know, they do 753 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,919 Speaker 4: look like they're going to be a pretty pretty dominant team. 754 00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,879 Speaker 4: They got their quarterback back from a year ago when 755 00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:03,480 Speaker 4: they one, Alex mcgohu was actually playing wide receiver for 756 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,440 Speaker 4: the Packers on their practice squad. So that was actually 757 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 4: a funny little storyline. So unfortunately, I'll go with the 758 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:10,680 Speaker 4: chalk there. I'll go with the Stallions. 759 00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 2: All right. 760 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:16,879 Speaker 3: There you go, great, great stuff, Kyle, And if you want, 761 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 3: if they want to find you on the socials where 762 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:20,640 Speaker 3: you at there, you. 763 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:24,239 Speaker 4: Can find me on Twitter at camer dfs and same 764 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:25,759 Speaker 4: handle over on Instagram as well. 765 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,760 Speaker 3: All right, and you can find me at Chris Raybon 766 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:32,759 Speaker 3: on Twitter and on the Action Network app. That's gonna 767 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:36,960 Speaker 3: do it for us here on the Fantasy Flex podcast 768 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:42,880 Speaker 3: for Kyle Murray, I'm Chris Raybond. 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