WEBVTT - 2025 Open Championship Preview with Billy Horschel 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:02.800 I miss a green, for example, I'm already upset. When 0:00:02.800 --> 0:00:04.920 I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset. 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:07.200 And when I find my ball in a brid egg. 0:00:07.200 --> 0:00:11.960 Friday Egg, the dreaded Friday Friday, fridagg fridagg brid egg Lie. 0:00:11.920 --> 0:00:14.080 I'm about ready to run off of the hump course. 0:00:37.640 --> 0:00:40.360 Welcome back to the Friday Golf Podcast. I'm your host, 0:00:40.400 --> 0:00:44.160 Andy Johnson, and today we are going to talk about 0:00:44.200 --> 0:00:47.520 the last major of the year, sadly, the last men's 0:00:47.560 --> 0:00:51.120 major of the year, the Open Championship. I can't believe 0:00:51.120 --> 0:00:56.800 we're here, but it's mid July, and that's astonishing too. Uh, 0:00:56.920 --> 0:01:01.040 But we have a awesome, awesome major championship ahead, one 0:01:01.120 --> 0:01:04.039 hundred and fifty third Open Championship. It will be held 0:01:04.120 --> 0:01:08.520 at Royal Port Rush, which we saw very recently twenty 0:01:08.600 --> 0:01:12.920 nineteen Open Championship host which delivered an awesome major. It was, 0:01:13.440 --> 0:01:15.959 you know, the first major that Royal Port Rush had 0:01:15.959 --> 0:01:18.480 held in a very long time. It will only be 0:01:18.520 --> 0:01:22.000 the third time that Royal Port Rush has ever held 0:01:22.200 --> 0:01:27.760 the Open Championship. A awesome golf course, a truly delightful 0:01:27.959 --> 0:01:32.720 Open Championship venue. So this is a big week ahead 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:36.440 We will have a ton of stuff pouring out from 0:01:36.720 --> 0:01:41.399 both on the ground and just from observations from watching 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:45.240 the telecast this week, so be sure to follow our 0:01:45.360 --> 0:01:49.400 verious social channels sign up for the fridayg newsletter today. 0:01:49.600 --> 0:01:54.000 I am excited. Wanted to do a little something different. 0:01:54.120 --> 0:01:57.200 I feel like some of these preview pods can get 0:01:57.360 --> 0:02:00.360 a bit redundant. You know, you do this storyline and 0:02:00.400 --> 0:02:03.760 it and it becomes you know, storyline. You know, they 0:02:04.200 --> 0:02:06.600 over the course of five months, if you count in 0:02:06.640 --> 0:02:09.280 the players, they you know, those storylines are the core 0:02:09.360 --> 0:02:12.679 storylines or the core storylines, and they Uh. So I 0:02:13.160 --> 0:02:16.720 wanted to do something a bit different. Uh. One of 0:02:17.040 --> 0:02:19.919 one of Golf's great personalities has been on the bench, 0:02:20.639 --> 0:02:25.400 been on the d L. Billy Horschell joins who obviously, 0:02:25.919 --> 0:02:28.760 I mean you talk about a guy who almost won 0:02:28.880 --> 0:02:31.960 a won an Open championship. Last year Billy Horschell finished 0:02:31.960 --> 0:02:35.680 T two, was standing, you know, had the had the lead, 0:02:36.160 --> 0:02:40.360 uh with uh with ten holes left in last year's Open. 0:02:40.800 --> 0:02:45.680 Awesome performance at Troon. Billy was was gracious to hop 0:02:45.720 --> 0:02:49.640 on uh and chat Open Championship with us. So we 0:02:49.720 --> 0:02:54.760 talk about Billy UH A lot of just Open centric conversation. 0:02:55.280 --> 0:02:58.399 But to tie it all together, PJ and I are 0:02:58.440 --> 0:03:01.520 going to jam through some of the big stories. We're 0:03:01.520 --> 0:03:03.920 going to talk about the big stories on the front 0:03:04.000 --> 0:03:06.639 end of this podcast. Then Billy is going to take 0:03:06.720 --> 0:03:12.200 us home. So beefy Open Championship Preview this week the 0:03:12.240 --> 0:03:15.079 Open Championship. All of our coverage is brought to you 0:03:15.160 --> 0:03:19.320 by our friends over at Mercedes Benz. Mercedes Benz has 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:23.880 been partnering with the Open since twenty eleven, and the 0:03:23.919 --> 0:03:27.840 partnership is rooted in shared values, commitment to excellence, and 0:03:27.880 --> 0:03:32.280 bridging tradition with modern luxury. One of the things that 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:35.160 we want to call out about Mercedes Benz. I see 0:03:35.200 --> 0:03:39.160 these cars on the road every time I see them. 0:03:39.800 --> 0:03:44.280 My god, that's a nice car. 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I've live 0:05:07.800 --> 0:05:10.479 in TGL lifestyle every day, you know, I just not 0:05:10.640 --> 0:05:14.240 day I'm not thinking about think about my beloved ballfrogs, 0:05:14.600 --> 0:05:16.640 you know, and what we're what we're how we're going 0:05:16.680 --> 0:05:17.440 to improve from. 0:05:17.360 --> 0:05:19.320 Last It's been a great year for the Frogs. On 0:05:19.640 --> 0:05:22.840 on the actual golf courses, there's been a lot of wins, 0:05:22.839 --> 0:05:25.080 a lot of good finishes, and in in the in 0:05:25.160 --> 0:05:28.000 the TGL Thunderdome not so much. But you know what, 0:05:28.000 --> 0:05:29.080 what would you rather have? 0:05:29.640 --> 0:05:34.000 Well? You know, uh, the next year is the new year. 0:05:34.279 --> 0:05:37.680 We're counting down the days here. I was just on 0:05:37.760 --> 0:05:41.080 a call talking about how golf goes dead ways and 0:05:41.120 --> 0:05:45.400 I almost piped in, you know what about TGL not anymore? 0:05:47.240 --> 0:05:49.720 All right, let's talk about the the Open, one hundred 0:05:49.760 --> 0:05:54.919 and fifty third Open Championship. We're going to port Port Rush. 0:05:55.160 --> 0:05:58.000 We're going to do a quick truncated a couple of storylines. 0:05:58.160 --> 0:06:00.920 What's the number one storyline? You're you're looking out for? 0:06:02.200 --> 0:06:05.040 Colin wri Kaua just as a whole, it's been a 0:06:05.240 --> 0:06:10.280 very interesting odd year, up and down, pretty tumultuous, a 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:12.960 couple of caddy splits, a new caddy, Billy Foster on 0:06:13.000 --> 0:06:16.279 the bag for him, Matthew Fitts. Coaching changes too, Yep, 0:06:16.400 --> 0:06:19.880 coaching changes too. It's been up and down. Zero major 0:06:19.960 --> 0:06:22.839 top tens this year to this point, which is the 0:06:22.880 --> 0:06:25.599 first time that's happened for him. Entering the Open Championship 0:06:25.880 --> 0:06:28.720 is since he became a full time player in twenty twenty. 0:06:29.560 --> 0:06:32.920 Since he won the Open in twenty twenty one, he's 0:06:32.960 --> 0:06:35.880 gotten miscut miscut T sixteen, so hasn't seen a lot 0:06:35.880 --> 0:06:39.280 of success necessarily at this tournament since he wins. Since 0:06:39.320 --> 0:06:43.800 he won, he kind of choked API to Russell Henley 0:06:43.839 --> 0:06:45.800 late on the back nine there, finished top ten at 0:06:45.839 --> 0:06:48.760 the Travelers or at the Players the next week, but 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:52.200 after that only a T eight at the Rocket. Since then, 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:54.960 he's only played the signature events outside of the Rocket 0:06:54.960 --> 0:06:57.279 and the Zurix, so he hasn't honestly played that much. 0:06:58.000 --> 0:07:01.360 An uncompetitive T fifty at the PGA, an uncompetitive T 0:07:01.360 --> 0:07:04.560 twenty three at the US Open. It's been an up 0:07:04.600 --> 0:07:06.599 and down year in a lot of ways for Colin 0:07:06.640 --> 0:07:09.000 wore account. But this is a guy who is put 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:12.560 in that top flight of Americans in a Ryer Cup year, 0:07:12.680 --> 0:07:16.880 has won multiple major championships and kind of just feels 0:07:16.960 --> 0:07:18.200 lost for me right now. 0:07:19.560 --> 0:07:22.920 He's he's an interesting player in the world of golf. 0:07:23.160 --> 0:07:28.880 Just the the whole draft of winning a tournament is alarming. 0:07:30.400 --> 0:07:34.560 I mean that being said, He's been so consistent for 0:07:34.720 --> 0:07:37.960 his career uh, the you know the point you made 0:07:38.200 --> 0:07:40.960 right out of the gate. No top tens in majors 0:07:40.960 --> 0:07:43.880 this year. He has been a fixture in his career, 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:46.040 one of the great major championship players, one of the 0:07:46.120 --> 0:07:49.480 most steady players. Uh, you know, we've seen it in 0:07:49.560 --> 0:07:52.800 some time. He's in that top echelon. You know, if 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:56.760 you retire tomorrow, he's probably a Hall of Famer. Yeah, 0:07:56.800 --> 0:08:00.920 which is an amazing He accomplished that within the first 0:08:01.040 --> 0:08:04.400 couple of years of his career, which is you know, 0:08:04.560 --> 0:08:08.840 they it's it's been an interesting you know, golf just 0:08:08.880 --> 0:08:12.160 in general spent kind of an interesting time right where 0:08:12.480 --> 0:08:16.240 we've we had that like huge youth wave and I 0:08:16.280 --> 0:08:20.120 still think like there's obviously like supreme young talent coming 0:08:20.200 --> 0:08:24.200 into the game, but it has a bit normalized. I 0:08:24.240 --> 0:08:28.520 would say we've seen some some older players really have success. 0:08:28.720 --> 0:08:31.200 I think you're seeing it in both ways. The younger 0:08:31.240 --> 0:08:34.120 guys are better, but the technology is helping the old 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:37.199 guys stay relevant for longer. 0:08:37.480 --> 0:08:40.800 I don't know about that, no, I think I mean 0:08:40.880 --> 0:08:42.520 it used to be like if you look at like 0:08:42.600 --> 0:08:45.800 the career arcs, it used to be like you you. 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:49.120 I think the technology is helping young guys be relevant 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:53.480 earlier than ever earlier because it was a sport where 0:08:53.520 --> 0:08:56.720 like you had to learn how to play. It was 0:08:56.880 --> 0:09:00.960 you know, there's so much aspect of the game that 0:09:01.120 --> 0:09:06.520 took experience that has been that experience window has been 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:10.640 shortened so much, whether it's learning golf courses, whether it's 0:09:11.200 --> 0:09:15.200 you know, how to hit, like technology has created a 0:09:15.240 --> 0:09:18.960 situation where like when you get weather, you don't have 0:09:19.000 --> 0:09:21.120 to hit as many shots as you used to have 0:09:21.160 --> 0:09:24.040 to hit when a ball spun more like the art 0:09:24.120 --> 0:09:27.400 of like taking spin off the ball. It's still important, 0:09:27.679 --> 0:09:32.680 let's not, but it is much less valued today than 0:09:32.840 --> 0:09:36.560 twenty years ago. So I do think, like, but I think, 0:09:36.600 --> 0:09:41.360 what's I think where we have like those like you know, 0:09:41.559 --> 0:09:44.240 we're still going to have like these young players come in, 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:46.319 but like it felt like we had just like this 0:09:46.559 --> 0:09:50.680 monster youth wave happened, and now those guys are are 0:09:50.760 --> 0:09:55.400 twenty eight, twenty nine, you know, And Scottie Scheffler is 0:09:55.440 --> 0:09:58.840 like a great example of somebody who started popping after 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:02.959 he was twenty five, you know. And then we've seen, 0:10:03.120 --> 0:10:06.760 you know, people that are late bloomers like Stepstraka and 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:09.960 Russ Henley Russ Henley's having a career year in his 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:13.360 mid thirties. And you know, the last major we had 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:17.480 Adam Scott contending at forty six, which or forty four, right, 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:20.840 forty five forty four I think, which was an amazing, 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:24.240 amazing you know, feet you obviously have Roy McElroy still 0:10:24.240 --> 0:10:26.560 doing it in his mid thirties. So it's just like, 0:10:26.840 --> 0:10:29.000 I think golf's in a nice balance where it has 0:10:29.040 --> 0:10:32.120 like a lot of different ages playing well. But Colin 0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:34.600 more Kaw is just like in this middle period of 0:10:34.640 --> 0:10:37.280 his career, this is it'll be you know, where does 0:10:37.320 --> 0:10:39.120 he go the next five years? Do the next five 0:10:39.240 --> 0:10:42.480 years look more like his first three years or or 0:10:42.600 --> 0:10:44.440 or more like the last year and a half? 0:10:45.120 --> 0:10:47.240 Do you think and this is this is something that 0:10:47.280 --> 0:10:50.600 I have thought about when thinking about Calin mor Kauer 0:10:50.679 --> 0:10:53.560 for a while. Do you think it's it's bad that 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:56.400 he's only playing the signature events and does not make 0:10:56.520 --> 0:11:00.560 any in between starts and not playing like a a 0:11:00.679 --> 0:11:03.200 Houston or any of the Texas events that you see 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:06.000 maybe a Scottie or a Rory play. And I mean, 0:11:06.040 --> 0:11:09.160 he's played the Rocket for the last three or four years, 0:11:09.160 --> 0:11:11.640 but other than that, he's pretty much just picking the 0:11:11.679 --> 0:11:12.800 signatures and playing from that. 0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:17.560 I mean, that's a great question. I think there is 0:11:17.640 --> 0:11:20.720 like a cadence that you develop when you win golf tournament. 0:11:21.440 --> 0:11:27.080 I think that winning a player of Morekowa's level winning 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:31.720 tournaments is in the familiarity that you gain when you win, 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:33.880 the comfort that you gain when you win, when you 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:38.720 win anything is important and I think like we we 0:11:38.760 --> 0:11:41.640 see it every year, like Scotty cleans up every year 0:11:41.840 --> 0:11:44.400 a couple of just regular events. This year it was 0:11:44.480 --> 0:11:47.840 the CJ Cup right where he cleaned it cleaned up there, 0:11:47.960 --> 0:11:50.280 and it's like it gets them going, you know, it 0:11:50.320 --> 0:11:54.800 gets some rolling. I think that. I think, like the 0:11:54.800 --> 0:11:58.520 the hard thing when you just play signature events is 0:11:58.559 --> 0:12:04.000 that you are playing Scotty Scheffler and Rory McElroy and 0:12:04.360 --> 0:12:08.600 every other top flight. The competition level and those of 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:12.120 winning is hard when you have somebody that has played 0:12:12.200 --> 0:12:15.160 as dominant golfer skuy Scheffler's played the last two years 0:12:15.679 --> 0:12:19.400 as well as Rory played the first you know, four 0:12:19.440 --> 0:12:21.599 months of the year. Like, you know, that's one of 0:12:21.640 --> 0:12:26.640 the interesting things that has developed is like Rory was 0:12:26.720 --> 0:12:31.280 the best golfer in the world from January till uh 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:34.559 till the Masters. Scotty has taken the throne. I guess 0:12:34.600 --> 0:12:37.920 this can lead right into my my first thing. I'm watching. 0:12:38.640 --> 0:12:42.040 You know, Rory and Scotti, they've run like parallel. We 0:12:42.080 --> 0:12:44.520 haven't seen them both at their best at the same time. 0:12:46.040 --> 0:12:48.679 Needless to say, Like, you know, the PGA Tour Player 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:50.960 of the Year is kind of a joke, right, you know, 0:12:50.960 --> 0:12:54.000 you win the FedEx Cup and they're gonna You're probably 0:12:54.000 --> 0:12:55.120 gonna win the Player of the Year. 0:12:55.120 --> 0:12:55.840 But like the. 0:12:55.800 --> 0:13:00.199 Actual player of the year, if Rory or Scotti, it's 0:13:00.200 --> 0:13:03.240 it done this week gets their second major, I would 0:13:03.280 --> 0:13:06.080 have a hard time believing either one of those guys 0:13:06.240 --> 0:13:08.480 isn't the player of the year no matter what happens 0:13:08.480 --> 0:13:09.240 to the rest of the year. 0:13:09.600 --> 0:13:12.440 Well sometimes sometimes two majors isn't even good enough to 0:13:12.480 --> 0:13:13.080 win Player of the. 0:13:13.120 --> 0:13:16.120 Year, that's right, Like I mean, last year was an 0:13:16.200 --> 0:13:20.360 interesting year because Scotty went absolutely bananas. He had so 0:13:20.480 --> 0:13:22.679 many wins. But if you get to the point where 0:13:22.760 --> 0:13:26.320 Rory has two majors and a players, Yeah, if Scotty 0:13:26.400 --> 0:13:29.080 won every playoff event, I don't think you give him 0:13:29.160 --> 0:13:31.800 Player of the Year over somebody that wins, you know, 0:13:31.960 --> 0:13:34.800 completes the career Grand Slam, wins the players and wins 0:13:34.800 --> 0:13:37.760 an Open, and you know a. 0:13:37.720 --> 0:13:39.720 Lot of style points on the table. 0:13:40.600 --> 0:13:42.480 Yeah, like I mean they I think that's like the 0:13:42.600 --> 0:13:46.520 interesting thing. It's like this middle period of Rory's year 0:13:46.559 --> 0:13:52.240 has been has been weird, dynamic. You know. There there's 0:13:52.280 --> 0:13:55.240 been some like iciness with the media. There's been some 0:13:55.320 --> 0:13:55.960 poor play. 0:13:56.520 --> 0:13:56.680 You know. 0:13:56.720 --> 0:13:59.480 I think everybody thought this relief would be off and 0:13:59.520 --> 0:14:01.360 it had the opposite ef fact where it's like, what's 0:14:01.360 --> 0:14:05.599 the next mount to climb? Here we go to a 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:10.360 major championship in his home country, Northern Ireland. Second time 0:14:10.400 --> 0:14:13.559 he's gotten to play a major at home, and it's 0:14:13.600 --> 0:14:17.199 at a golf course he famously shot a sixty one 0:14:17.240 --> 0:14:19.560 at as a kid playing the North of Ireland. He 0:14:19.600 --> 0:14:23.200 never won the North of Ireland at royal Port Rush. 0:14:23.280 --> 0:14:26.520 The great amateur event that was hosted is hosted there 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:31.040 every year, the Irish Amateur Event. But like if he 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:36.520 wins this now, like statistically you're probably not going to 0:14:36.600 --> 0:14:40.720 say this was like one of the greatest years of golf. 0:14:41.360 --> 0:14:45.520 But in terms of emphatic like just if you could, 0:14:45.760 --> 0:14:49.760 like if you remove you just look at the accomplishments 0:14:49.760 --> 0:14:54.080 of the Pebble Beach where a venue he never won at, 0:14:54.360 --> 0:15:02.040 the Players, completing the career Grand Slam, Augusta National. If 0:15:02.040 --> 0:15:06.720 he wins at Port Rush, that's an incredible year. And 0:15:06.760 --> 0:15:09.920 then the added opportunity he could win an away Ryder 0:15:09.920 --> 0:15:13.160 Cup at Beth Paid Black, Like there's like this could 0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:18.040 be a crazy, crazy accomplishment year of in terms of 0:15:18.040 --> 0:15:22.560 like highest of high type stuff. But again, if Scotty 0:15:22.640 --> 0:15:26.280 wins this, he is without a doubt the player of 0:15:26.280 --> 0:15:29.080 the year. That's I think that's one of the fascinating 0:15:29.120 --> 0:15:31.360 things is if either of these guys win it, they 0:15:31.400 --> 0:15:33.800 have had the best year in golf. And it's still 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:36.360 an open case. Like I think everybody's like closed the 0:15:36.400 --> 0:15:39.120 door to Scotty's. But like if Rory wins this, like 0:15:39.400 --> 0:15:44.080 a talk about like great great, like storybook stuff. 0:15:44.600 --> 0:15:48.240 Yeah, it would be hard to pick against given all 0:15:48.280 --> 0:15:51.200 of the context of Royce here, and it was something 0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:54.240 that everybody talked about, you know, leading into the Masters. 0:15:54.240 --> 0:15:56.640 That also he had Quail Hollow on the docket, his 0:15:57.080 --> 0:16:00.000 favorite course in the world as a potential major venue. 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:03.040 You this year, this major, the twenty twenty five major 0:16:03.120 --> 0:16:05.560 season set up pretty well for Rory and in terms 0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:07.800 of storylines and everything, and if you're able to check 0:16:07.840 --> 0:16:09.920 two of those boxes, you get to win a pebble. 0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:12.840 He talked about venues earlier this week, and you know 0:16:12.880 --> 0:16:16.840 what's important pebble BEA's obviously an iconic venue. It's hard, 0:16:16.880 --> 0:16:19.520 it would be, it would be almost impossible. Then you 0:16:19.560 --> 0:16:21.920 had the Ryder Cup on top of it, that would 0:16:21.960 --> 0:16:25.000 be that would be hard to beat. But Scotty, I mean, 0:16:25.120 --> 0:16:27.880 Scotty got his home game at at Craig Ranch, you know, 0:16:28.160 --> 0:16:31.720 just just dominating the Dallas area. So maybe maybe maybe 0:16:31.760 --> 0:16:33.640 Rory has to win this week to compete with that. 0:16:33.880 --> 0:16:38.160 But Scotty is week in, week out, Like you said, 0:16:38.200 --> 0:16:40.960 if you just go total number of months, right of, 0:16:41.200 --> 0:16:43.160 Rory was the best player in the world from January 0:16:43.200 --> 0:16:46.400 through the middle of April, and Scotty's gotten the rest 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:49.920 of the year since then. Then you start looking at, 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:53.320 you know, how many if neither of them win, what 0:16:53.320 --> 0:16:55.720 what is the debate? And Scotty's going to have the 0:16:55.840 --> 0:16:58.640 quote unquote belt for longer here and it's probably going 0:16:58.680 --> 0:16:59.680 to pick this pick. 0:16:59.560 --> 0:17:02.760 This analytics, right, Yeah, Like that's the other thing is 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:06.879 like what what's interesting to me is like Rory wins 0:17:06.920 --> 0:17:09.280 this week, say he doesn't play great in the playoffs, 0:17:10.560 --> 0:17:12.919 they're and Scottie plays great in the playoffs. Well, I 0:17:12.920 --> 0:17:14.800 mean I have like this. You're gonna have this like 0:17:15.000 --> 0:17:20.640 amazing analytical versus like contextual debate. 0:17:20.960 --> 0:17:24.719 Be a great Miguel Cabrera winning the Triple Crown versus 0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:28.080 Mike Trout who had every analytical his first full season, 0:17:28.200 --> 0:17:31.800 his every analytical and Miguel Cabrera got the the contextual 0:17:33.000 --> 0:17:35.160 MVP there. So that's it's a good it's a good 0:17:35.200 --> 0:17:36.119 point actually by you. 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:39.280 Yeah. I think that's like actually like a one of 0:17:39.280 --> 0:17:43.160 the great you know, kind of just sports debates in 0:17:43.280 --> 0:17:45.560 the modern era. Is this like the push and pull 0:17:45.600 --> 0:17:48.800 of analytical versus you know, like the the what the 0:17:48.880 --> 0:17:51.880 numbers say versus what the eye test or the story 0:17:52.040 --> 0:17:55.879 says right, And that's what would make it such a 0:17:55.920 --> 0:17:56.800 fascinating debate. 0:17:57.080 --> 0:17:59.960 I think it's it's it's you know, the career Grand Slam. 0:18:00.400 --> 0:18:04.720 It's only happened so few times, and you're adding the 0:18:05.560 --> 0:18:09.639 context of potential win at Port Rush. When you add 0:18:09.920 --> 0:18:15.399 the historical context that needed that obviously comes with those wins. 0:18:15.440 --> 0:18:18.520 These are not just normal wins. If they happen, then 0:18:18.560 --> 0:18:23.040 I think you're getting to decide where maybe the analytics 0:18:23.080 --> 0:18:26.520 still matter as much. But if these were wins independent 0:18:26.640 --> 0:18:30.280 of the historical context, I think that equation changes greatly, 0:18:30.320 --> 0:18:31.240 at least in my opinion. 0:18:32.480 --> 0:18:35.560 Just something also to note with both of those guys, 0:18:36.680 --> 0:18:41.240 Scotty Scheffler, I think like one thing that I would 0:18:41.240 --> 0:18:45.040 say most a lot of the great players have done 0:18:45.280 --> 0:18:50.439 is they've won multiple majors in the same year. This 0:18:50.640 --> 0:18:53.080 was If Scotty wins, it would be the first time 0:18:53.119 --> 0:18:57.800 he's done multiple majors in a year. For Rory, if 0:18:57.800 --> 0:19:00.919 he would were to win this, he would join This 0:19:01.040 --> 0:19:04.800 was Jamie. I brought this up on I believe before 0:19:04.840 --> 0:19:09.000 the US Open about Rory. Jamie Kennedy did the the 0:19:09.119 --> 0:19:14.360 numbers a elite random he called her random club in golf. 0:19:14.880 --> 0:19:20.240 If Rory McElroy won this week at royal Port Rush, 0:19:20.240 --> 0:19:23.440 he'd become just the third player in the last fifty 0:19:23.560 --> 0:19:27.960 years to win multiple majors in a year multiple times. 0:19:28.160 --> 0:19:28.440 Yeah. 0:19:28.960 --> 0:19:32.240 So it would be Tom Watson in nineteen seventy seven 0:19:32.320 --> 0:19:37.400 and eighty two and Tiger Ray for Tiger two thousand, 0:19:37.560 --> 0:19:39.919 two thousand and two, two thousand, and five two thousand 0:19:39.920 --> 0:19:42.280 and six, so he. 0:19:42.400 --> 0:19:44.800 Got a little bit of catching up to do to 0:19:44.840 --> 0:19:45.680 get to that mark. 0:19:45.880 --> 0:19:50.040 But and then obviously Jack Nicholas did that multiple times 0:19:50.040 --> 0:19:55.000 as well. So yeah, the I think like I think 0:19:55.040 --> 0:19:59.560 those two that player of the year. Like I think 0:19:59.560 --> 0:20:01.520 that's what kind of like the open. One of the 0:20:01.560 --> 0:20:04.199 added things of it being the last major now is 0:20:04.240 --> 0:20:06.960 it does have this like this like who had the 0:20:06.960 --> 0:20:10.920 best year in golf kind of debate, And I think 0:20:10.960 --> 0:20:14.760 that's that's independent of whoever the PGA Tour decides as 0:20:14.800 --> 0:20:15.640 their player of the year. 0:20:15.840 --> 0:20:18.840 Yeah, well I was gonna say, like does does the 0:20:19.000 --> 0:20:20.600 does the player of the year like at the end 0:20:20.640 --> 0:20:23.760 of the day, the actual official word like really matter, 0:20:24.040 --> 0:20:28.400 Like is that is that? Is is that the important factor? 0:20:28.600 --> 0:20:31.840 Or is it the more you know, commonly accepted who 0:20:31.920 --> 0:20:32.720 had the best year? 0:20:33.119 --> 0:20:36.040 I mean, like an interesting thing was be like if 0:20:36.080 --> 0:20:41.320 Scotty won this, if Scotty wins this, like when when 0:20:41.359 --> 0:20:44.040 we talk about twenty twenty five, three years from now, 0:20:44.960 --> 0:20:48.080 is is that's a great Scotty the thing that we 0:20:48.200 --> 0:20:50.680 remember or is still gonna be rory with the career 0:20:50.760 --> 0:20:51.800 Grand Slam? 0:20:52.240 --> 0:20:55.680 You would think unless Scotty wins this in some crazy 0:20:55.840 --> 0:20:59.199 dominant fashion and runs away with it. That some some 0:20:59.440 --> 0:21:02.359 level of hit. Again the historical context that you're gonna 0:21:02.400 --> 0:21:04.600 have to add, But yeah, I mean, obviously twenty twenty 0:21:04.640 --> 0:21:06.280 five is going to be circled on the calendar for 0:21:06.359 --> 0:21:09.520 the Masters for the rest of time. 0:21:10.359 --> 0:21:11.240 What do you have next? 0:21:12.280 --> 0:21:16.640 I have the defending champion at Royalport Rush, Shane Lowry. Right, 0:21:17.040 --> 0:21:23.280 very interesting, you know season for him, not unlike Colin Moore. 0:21:23.359 --> 0:21:25.840 Caller had a T two it at Truest as his 0:21:25.840 --> 0:21:27.000 best result of the year. 0:21:27.400 --> 0:21:30.159 But just hitting all the sad boys, well, I'm. 0:21:29.920 --> 0:21:31.840 Not trying to be sad boys, but I'm trying to 0:21:31.880 --> 0:21:33.960 see where these guys are at. As of now, it's 0:21:34.000 --> 0:21:36.680 his worst major year since twenty seventeen. I hate again, 0:21:36.720 --> 0:21:38.840 I hate to be the Debbie Dowder bringing this all up. 0:21:38.920 --> 0:21:41.720 But he's fourth in strokes guarantee to Green, He's second 0:21:41.720 --> 0:21:44.200 in strokes. Game approaches, irons have been great this year 0:21:44.200 --> 0:21:46.239 for Shane Lowry. But I went and looked it up. 0:21:46.280 --> 0:21:48.760 His form coming into the Open in twenty nineteen at 0:21:48.840 --> 0:21:52.400 royal Port Rush. It had T three in Hiltonhead cut 0:21:52.440 --> 0:21:54.600 from the Zurich th eight at the PGA T twenty 0:21:54.600 --> 0:21:56.760 eight the US Open and then won the Open Championship, 0:21:57.359 --> 0:22:00.879 his forum coming in now Thaighten at hilton Head, the 0:22:00.920 --> 0:22:03.840 T two, T twelve at zeroch T two at Truist, 0:22:03.880 --> 0:22:05.600 which is his best finish of the year, cut it 0:22:05.640 --> 0:22:08.639 to PGA T twenty three at the Memorial T thirteen 0:22:08.680 --> 0:22:10.960 in Canada, cut it the US Open, and a T 0:22:11.080 --> 0:22:15.320 forty five at Travelers, So he had some He was 0:22:15.359 --> 0:22:18.960 trending a little bit at least was around had a 0:22:18.960 --> 0:22:22.000 top ten finish at the PGA heading into twenty nineteen, 0:22:22.160 --> 0:22:26.480 but has not had outside of the Truest any sort 0:22:26.480 --> 0:22:29.760 of success this year that would would make anybody think 0:22:30.440 --> 0:22:32.920 that the title defense is even on the table at 0:22:32.920 --> 0:22:33.399 this point. 0:22:34.600 --> 0:22:38.000 It's a unique setup here, Like I don't think usually 0:22:38.080 --> 0:22:41.520 you get a title defense in an Open, a US 0:22:41.640 --> 0:22:46.680 Open or a PGA like this close. 0:22:46.520 --> 0:22:49.720 While you're sad and while you're still like in the. 0:22:49.600 --> 0:22:54.400 Top arguably light, yeah, more accomplished, Like obviously the Opens 0:22:54.440 --> 0:22:56.679 a big part of his career, but like the last, 0:22:57.240 --> 0:22:59.400 if you zoom out a little bit further, the last 0:22:59.440 --> 0:23:02.560 eighteen months is the best golf that Shane Lowry's played 0:23:02.720 --> 0:23:04.919 in his career. Like once he got over the putting 0:23:05.000 --> 0:23:08.960 thing with that Zurich win to now is probably the best, 0:23:09.119 --> 0:23:12.359 you know, highest world ranking. He's he's he's gotten to 0:23:12.840 --> 0:23:17.000 most you know, So it is it is a you know, 0:23:17.080 --> 0:23:19.000 I think that that dynamic is going to become a 0:23:19.040 --> 0:23:20.960 little bit more true with the US Open, with their 0:23:21.160 --> 0:23:25.560 with their Rota, with their anchor sites. You know, like 0:23:25.600 --> 0:23:28.960 Pinehurst is coming up quick again and Pebble's coming up. 0:23:29.280 --> 0:23:33.359 It will be like in pretty quick succession. So but like, yeah, 0:23:33.400 --> 0:23:36.840 that is a it's an interesting aspect of like you 0:23:37.000 --> 0:23:42.520 usually see like you usually see these courses like spaced 0:23:42.520 --> 0:23:45.960 almost ten years out and in some some regard, but 0:23:46.119 --> 0:23:49.439 this being just so close so on the heels, and 0:23:49.480 --> 0:23:53.040 I think that's like actually like you know, subplot storyline 0:23:53.080 --> 0:23:55.280 of the Open. It's like they don't have a lot 0:23:55.280 --> 0:23:58.040 of venues. Yeah, like we are. I think we're getting 0:23:58.119 --> 0:24:02.000 going to get the Open champion ship basically at the 0:24:02.040 --> 0:24:04.240 Old Course every five years from now, so one hundred 0:24:04.240 --> 0:24:06.199 and fifty, one hundred and fifty, five hundred and sixty, 0:24:06.560 --> 0:24:09.480 like that's the new cadence for the Old course. Port 0:24:09.560 --> 0:24:13.400 Rush appear like because of the amount of fans they 0:24:13.400 --> 0:24:17.600 can fit, but also it is a world class test 0:24:17.760 --> 0:24:21.200 of golf, but that seems to be on a fast track. 0:24:21.600 --> 0:24:25.879 The Open needs more venues and on that you know, 0:24:25.920 --> 0:24:29.439 we uh, this will get to My second one is 0:24:29.480 --> 0:24:35.320 the golf course twenty nineteen. It was awesome, you know, 0:24:35.440 --> 0:24:38.000 I think there's a lot of anticipation of it coming 0:24:38.040 --> 0:24:43.320 back to Northern Ireland. Obviously a country an area of 0:24:43.359 --> 0:24:47.480 the world that like people ask like why why didn't 0:24:47.520 --> 0:24:50.679 this happen like earlier, Well, it was a country, a 0:24:50.680 --> 0:24:52.560 part of the part of the world that was going 0:24:52.600 --> 0:24:57.560 through some of its own like issues and it's an 0:24:57.600 --> 0:25:02.440 amazing place. I got to visit Northern Ireland in March 0:25:02.480 --> 0:25:06.040 of last year. Love the people, love the place and 0:25:06.160 --> 0:25:08.199 Royal Port Rush to me is like one of the 0:25:08.200 --> 0:25:11.760 greatest golf courses in the world. I think, like somehow, 0:25:12.000 --> 0:25:14.680 like in a weird way, like you know, you think 0:25:14.720 --> 0:25:17.520 about like where it is. You know, it's like I 0:25:17.520 --> 0:25:20.159 think it's pretty widely considered like a top twenty course 0:25:21.240 --> 0:25:23.280 in the world, Like I think it might be like 0:25:24.200 --> 0:25:27.160 might be too low. I you know, I talk about 0:25:27.160 --> 0:25:30.000 this a lot with Matt Rush's from our team and 0:25:30.040 --> 0:25:34.760 Brendan and Cameron who we all played together. You know 0:25:34.800 --> 0:25:38.520 there are courses that are more stunning and more dramatic 0:25:38.720 --> 0:25:42.800 and more like once in a lifetime bucket list places 0:25:42.920 --> 0:25:46.760 like you know, the most famous Northern Ireland course along 0:25:46.800 --> 0:25:49.040 with Port Rush is Royal County Down. I would put 0:25:49.080 --> 0:25:51.720 that in a bucket. But I do think like in 0:25:51.800 --> 0:25:56.280 a way if this makes sense, like I think Royal 0:25:56.320 --> 0:25:59.520 County Down is like a more stunning place to play golf, 0:26:00.640 --> 0:26:04.120 but I think that from top to bottom in terms 0:26:04.160 --> 0:26:08.840 of the whole package, Royal port Rush is probably a 0:26:08.920 --> 0:26:12.440 golf course with less weaknesses and a more well rounded 0:26:12.480 --> 0:26:16.520 golf course. This is to me at the very top 0:26:17.240 --> 0:26:21.919 the best links tests, like maybe among the best. It 0:26:22.000 --> 0:26:24.760 probably would be one of the three or four best 0:26:24.920 --> 0:26:27.919 tests of golf in the world of golf. Like I 0:26:27.960 --> 0:26:29.840 think if I was going to make a list a 0:26:29.920 --> 0:26:34.399 short order of those, I'd have Shinakock, Augusta National, Royal 0:26:34.440 --> 0:26:37.400 port Rush and like Royal Melbourne would be my kind 0:26:37.400 --> 0:26:41.920 of like holy Grail Testing Championship Golf. I think what 0:26:42.040 --> 0:26:46.480 this brings to the table, It's got incredible topographical interest. 0:26:47.320 --> 0:26:51.160 You hit up, you hit down, and you often hit 0:26:51.280 --> 0:26:54.679 from lies that are not flat. That to me is 0:26:54.720 --> 0:27:00.199 like a core feature of great Great Championship golf. So 0:27:00.240 --> 0:27:04.080 you think about Shinnacock has that in spades, Augusta National 0:27:04.160 --> 0:27:06.800 has that in spades. Port Rush has that in spades. 0:27:08.359 --> 0:27:11.239 The other thing that port Rush has that, you know, 0:27:11.400 --> 0:27:17.840 like Shinnakok has this too, exceptionally firm playing conditions, so 0:27:18.080 --> 0:27:21.679 the ball bounces, the ground is alive, and that to 0:27:21.720 --> 0:27:25.800 me is another really important example. Royal Melbourne would be 0:27:25.840 --> 0:27:29.520 another golf course that has that exceptional firmness, that thud 0:27:29.920 --> 0:27:33.400 that you get. It's been a dry spring in in 0:27:33.440 --> 0:27:40.080 the in the UK and Ireland and that should aid 0:27:40.320 --> 0:27:43.040 that kind of the ball being alive when it hits 0:27:43.040 --> 0:27:47.040 the ground out there. The last thing that is like 0:27:48.080 --> 0:27:51.240 that this course has that I think Shinnakok has somewhat 0:27:51.680 --> 0:27:56.399 is reliable conditions. One of the last you know, real 0:27:56.520 --> 0:28:01.640 like if there's no win, these guys just hit stock shots. 0:28:02.680 --> 0:28:07.080 There's no reason to see artistry with the strike, you know, 0:28:07.240 --> 0:28:11.359 moving trajectories, having to shape shots because of the wind 0:28:11.400 --> 0:28:14.399 coming off your left or off your right. A Royal 0:28:14.440 --> 0:28:18.200 port Rush, you're going to get some reliable conditions. Now, 0:28:18.359 --> 0:28:19.800 like I look at I was looking at the weather. 0:28:19.880 --> 0:28:22.879 The wind doesn't look like anything crazy, But like a 0:28:23.160 --> 0:28:25.879 fifteen mile an hour wind out there is a wind 0:28:25.920 --> 0:28:28.359 you have to consider and you have to start to 0:28:30.680 --> 0:28:33.720 not just hit the stock shot at the stock trajectory. 0:28:33.720 --> 0:28:36.399 You have to move the ball up and down. And 0:28:36.440 --> 0:28:39.320 I think what that does is it just separates the 0:28:39.440 --> 0:28:42.600 true strikers, the people that really have the game and 0:28:42.760 --> 0:28:46.640 also have the experience and in all the shots in 0:28:46.680 --> 0:28:50.360 their bag. So for me, you know, port Rush and 0:28:50.720 --> 0:28:53.600 what separates it from other links courses is it's got 0:28:53.720 --> 0:28:58.640 like a really great, sophisticated set of greens. So you 0:28:59.240 --> 0:29:02.040 start to see you're just gonna see a lot of 0:29:02.120 --> 0:29:06.480 really neat contouring in the greens versus a lot of other, 0:29:07.040 --> 0:29:09.960 you know, open championship venues where the greens are a 0:29:10.000 --> 0:29:14.600 little bit that's where you might lose interest. And this 0:29:14.600 --> 0:29:18.400 this golf course has some really sharp surrounds, some really 0:29:18.880 --> 0:29:22.320 interesting contours on the greens. So the golf course to 0:29:22.400 --> 0:29:27.760 be it's gonna be awesome and I can't wait to 0:29:27.800 --> 0:29:30.959 see it host another major championship. 0:29:31.240 --> 0:29:35.120 So would you be surprised on set up or you 0:29:35.160 --> 0:29:38.280 know how it's gonna play based on your experience, opinion 0:29:38.360 --> 0:29:40.640 or whatever. Like Shane Lowery kind of ran away with 0:29:40.680 --> 0:29:42.960 it in twenty nineteen one by six, Like is it 0:29:43.040 --> 0:29:45.360 gonna be set up where somebody can just go and 0:29:45.880 --> 0:29:47.560 kind of take it or is this gonna be a 0:29:48.320 --> 0:29:49.280 tight ending here? 0:29:49.760 --> 0:29:52.200 I think the golf course is one where like, if 0:29:52.240 --> 0:29:56.040 you're playing well, you really like lift and separate from 0:29:56.320 --> 0:29:58.840 like when I say that, like it does a great job. 0:30:00.520 --> 0:30:02.360 We talk about this with Billy a little bit. But 0:30:02.440 --> 0:30:06.120 that middle, the middle stretch of Port Rush, there's a 0:30:06.160 --> 0:30:08.280 lot is going to be talked about about the opening 0:30:09.360 --> 0:30:12.280 because you get out onto the ocean and there's some dramatic, 0:30:12.360 --> 0:30:15.920 beautiful golf holes and the finish which has you know, 0:30:16.000 --> 0:30:24.080 fifteen through eighteen is awesome at Port Rush, like unforgettable holes. 0:30:24.120 --> 0:30:26.400 The sixteenth you're going to hear so much about. But 0:30:26.520 --> 0:30:30.360 that middle portion of Port Rush is about as demanding 0:30:30.400 --> 0:30:33.320 of golf as you can get, and it sits down 0:30:33.360 --> 0:30:36.000 a little bit. It's not by the ocean. Some of 0:30:36.040 --> 0:30:38.880 the contouring is a little bit smaller, but it's like 0:30:38.960 --> 0:30:41.920 this great size and then the green a lot of 0:30:41.920 --> 0:30:44.640 the greens in that section of Repel and it is 0:30:44.680 --> 0:30:47.520 like you got to be golfing your ball in the 0:30:47.560 --> 0:30:51.560 middle of the round at Port Rush, and I think so. 0:30:51.640 --> 0:30:53.960 I think the golf course just in general, if you 0:30:54.000 --> 0:30:57.160 look at Lowry what he did really well, is he 0:30:57.320 --> 0:31:01.880 just dominated in terms of hitting green? Hm, it is. 0:31:02.040 --> 0:31:04.760 It is a it is a war of attrition out 0:31:04.760 --> 0:31:09.000 there with ball striking. You need to be just almost 0:31:09.160 --> 0:31:12.280 machine like out there or else like you know, some 0:31:12.360 --> 0:31:14.360 of the I think like this is what makes it 0:31:14.400 --> 0:31:16.840 a little different than a lot of a lot of 0:31:17.120 --> 0:31:20.960 links older links courses. The greens, like the surrounds are 0:31:20.960 --> 0:31:24.040 severe like it is. If you miss greens you can 0:31:24.040 --> 0:31:27.400 be in some really tough positions. It is, so I 0:31:27.440 --> 0:31:32.720 think that's the the nature of port Rush is and 0:31:32.840 --> 0:31:36.800 why it's so taxing tea to green is because of 0:31:36.240 --> 0:31:41.640 the greens themselves being more like you know, everybody always 0:31:41.640 --> 0:31:44.600 talks about Augustin Ashler. These are not Augusta National Greens, Like, 0:31:45.280 --> 0:31:48.120 they aren't like that. But they are more in that 0:31:48.360 --> 0:31:52.760 vein than a lot of links courses where they have 0:31:53.240 --> 0:31:57.560 those vicious false fronts. They have these these pretty big 0:31:57.600 --> 0:31:59.680 hollows that you can get into and then you have 0:31:59.720 --> 0:32:02.040 to recover from spots to bother. 0:32:03.280 --> 0:32:07.840 Yeah. I mean, if I just am as a viewer 0:32:08.200 --> 0:32:12.239 wondering whether it's going to be a tight finish at 0:32:12.280 --> 0:32:15.000 the end, like obviously Lowry ran away with it, Brian 0:32:15.040 --> 0:32:19.400 Harmon won by five. I think it was like but 0:32:19.440 --> 0:32:21.120 then you have s Andrews whore. It comes down to 0:32:21.160 --> 0:32:23.560 the final hole you had last year where Xander only 0:32:23.600 --> 0:32:26.760 one by two. Like back nine on Sunday, are you 0:32:26.840 --> 0:32:30.240 expecting somebody to lift and separate or do you think 0:32:30.240 --> 0:32:31.640 it's gonna be maybe a little tighter. 0:32:31.920 --> 0:32:34.400 I would expect just a couple people to have a 0:32:34.440 --> 0:32:37.400 shot to win on the back nine of Sunday is 0:32:37.480 --> 0:32:40.040 like one of those tournaments where you you know, uh 0:32:40.320 --> 0:32:42.720 where you come in and it's like, you know, Pinehurst 0:32:42.800 --> 0:32:45.480 was this way kind of right where you you Pinehurst, 0:32:45.520 --> 0:32:46.440 You're like, well. 0:32:47.200 --> 0:32:50.440 Patrick Cantley might stick around for a little while, but yeah. 0:32:50.280 --> 0:32:52.840 Yeah, Pavon was in the final group. But you know, 0:32:52.880 --> 0:32:56.880 but like you're like, okay, this is these are and 0:32:56.920 --> 0:33:00.320 that's what I like those tournaments the most, where over 0:33:00.360 --> 0:33:04.360 the course of the of the tournament, it becomes very 0:33:04.400 --> 0:33:06.680 clear this is the main act, this is who we're 0:33:06.880 --> 0:33:10.320 we're zeroing in and it's like Sunday morning, the anticipation 0:33:11.120 --> 0:33:14.960 builds because it's like, okay, it's this guy this guy 0:33:15.120 --> 0:33:17.440 and this guy. Let's see who has it. 0:33:17.800 --> 0:33:19.720 You have the heavyweight bout, you have to you have 0:33:19.800 --> 0:33:21.280 to fight. 0:33:20.720 --> 0:33:27.160 I maybe the most memorable open recently was the Phil 0:33:27.520 --> 0:33:31.920 Stenson duel, which was one of the greatest, greatest tournaments 0:33:31.960 --> 0:33:32.560 I've ever seen. 0:33:32.960 --> 0:33:36.160 Yeah, that's uh, that's that's on the table for this week. 0:33:36.200 --> 0:33:39.440 You're saying, well, it's like that idea of that heavyweight 0:33:39.720 --> 0:33:43.280 if you think about like the greatest majors recently, you know, 0:33:43.320 --> 0:33:47.280 you put Pinehurst in there. Obviously Rory's Master's win is 0:33:47.360 --> 0:33:50.120 like but like you know, that was kind of more 0:33:50.160 --> 0:33:53.200 of like the emotional swings, but like again. 0:33:52.960 --> 0:33:54.760 Like it's we thought that was going to be a 0:33:54.800 --> 0:33:57.920 heavyweight bout. Yeah, and then ten guys had a chance 0:33:57.960 --> 0:33:59.080 to win by the end of it. 0:33:59.560 --> 0:34:03.000 Yeah yeah, and and but then you go back, it's like, 0:34:03.280 --> 0:34:07.920 you know, Phil and H and H Brooks and in 0:34:08.080 --> 0:34:11.480 newsdays and at at Kiowa was like there was only 0:34:11.480 --> 0:34:12.799 a couple of guys that were going to win that 0:34:12.840 --> 0:34:17.080 golf tournament. Uh, you know, and obviously Phil wins. You 0:34:17.160 --> 0:34:21.440 got the Phil Stenson one. You know that that is 0:34:21.480 --> 0:34:28.040 something that I think is a recipe for really memorable things. 0:34:28.040 --> 0:34:31.319 It's it's like kind of like the other tournaments have 0:34:31.520 --> 0:34:35.600 so much going on, it's hard to like fixate on exactly. 0:34:36.160 --> 0:34:40.799 They're chaotic, right, which which yields like you know, like 0:34:41.400 --> 0:34:44.160 if I if you said, hey, Colum or Cow has 0:34:44.200 --> 0:34:47.080 win at Harding Park, It's like, well, how many things 0:34:47.120 --> 0:34:49.640 do you want me to tell you about? Because there 0:34:49.680 --> 0:34:51.400 was a moment when I thought Matt Wolfe was going 0:34:51.480 --> 0:34:53.400 to win. There was a moment when I thought Scotty 0:34:53.400 --> 0:34:55.319 Schffler was going to win, and that was like the 0:34:55.360 --> 0:34:58.880 emergence of Scotti Scheffler. And then there was like you know, 0:34:58.920 --> 0:35:01.400 there's there's all these other guys, and then you know, 0:35:01.480 --> 0:35:03.920 Colin Markoo hit a shot and all of sudden he won. 0:35:04.320 --> 0:35:06.759 He had one shot that kind of just sealed it went, 0:35:06.800 --> 0:35:09.120 oh okay, there we go. That guy won. 0:35:09.600 --> 0:35:14.000 Yeah, So versus like I think, like the benefit when 0:35:14.040 --> 0:35:18.200 you have a course that separates players out is that 0:35:18.440 --> 0:35:21.960 allows you to really soak in and think and feel 0:35:22.040 --> 0:35:25.080 the gravity and the the importance of every shot. 0:35:26.239 --> 0:35:30.919 So do you play a draw disparity take heading into 0:35:30.960 --> 0:35:33.000 Port Rush here. I feel like it's the number one 0:35:33.040 --> 0:35:36.160 storyline every year at the Open. We're just half half 0:35:36.200 --> 0:35:36.920 of the guys that. 0:35:36.880 --> 0:35:39.960 It's all weather weather dependent. If weather blows in and 0:35:40.040 --> 0:35:42.200 that can do. We're going way too long. I almost 0:35:42.280 --> 0:35:44.880 set this to be ten minute max, with like a 0:35:44.920 --> 0:35:47.160 meeting on the back of it. We so we were 0:35:47.200 --> 0:35:50.640 forced to be brief here. I guess nobody's probably complaining. 0:35:50.680 --> 0:35:51.879 But what's your last thing? 0:35:52.360 --> 0:35:52.640 Uh? 0:35:52.719 --> 0:35:55.600 Keing and Bradley. I just it feels like Keek and 0:35:55.640 --> 0:35:58.520 Bradley is the main character of golf these days. Already 0:35:58.520 --> 0:36:02.880 at the Crowbar, a Saint John, you know, not to 0:36:02.920 --> 0:36:05.719 be a Debbie Downer again. Five straight miss cuts at 0:36:05.719 --> 0:36:10.640 the Open. It's been his worst major historically. But guys, 0:36:10.640 --> 0:36:14.360 sitting ninth in Ryder Cup points right now. On the 0:36:14.400 --> 0:36:17.759 one hand, does he need to do anything? Does he 0:36:17.840 --> 0:36:20.360 need to make a cut snap this streak? Does he 0:36:20.440 --> 0:36:23.759 need a top thirty, top twenty? Does he need to 0:36:23.840 --> 0:36:27.120 contend to really shore this up? Or is there anything 0:36:27.239 --> 0:36:30.680 that he could do extend this miscut streak to six 0:36:31.200 --> 0:36:34.200 that would leave him off of his own team come 0:36:34.239 --> 0:36:36.640 September because this is the last I mean, unless he's 0:36:36.640 --> 0:36:40.160 gonna go win the BMW again, which is quite possible. 0:36:40.400 --> 0:36:43.000 But for right now, we'll call this the last shot 0:36:43.040 --> 0:36:44.600 for everybody ryder cup wise. 0:36:44.800 --> 0:36:49.000 I think he's pretty locked in. It's hard, like it's 0:36:49.000 --> 0:36:51.000 hard for me to believe that he's going to go 0:36:51.080 --> 0:36:55.000 from where where we would slot him in probably like 0:36:55.040 --> 0:36:57.520 if you did your own slotting of like he's probably 0:36:57.520 --> 0:37:00.000 like the seventh or eighth guy on the team. 0:37:00.160 --> 0:37:02.360 He's probably even higher, honestly. 0:37:02.239 --> 0:37:05.600 If we're going conservative, like seventh or eighth guy, not 0:37:05.600 --> 0:37:08.160 not just off the points list. Whoever's going to point 0:37:08.160 --> 0:37:10.640 out he's ninth in points. But like if you run 0:37:10.719 --> 0:37:14.640 down like any logical like a logical golf fan list, 0:37:14.840 --> 0:37:18.680 seventh or eighth at the low end to twelve, like 0:37:18.719 --> 0:37:22.080 it's you have to have like a if you missed 0:37:22.120 --> 0:37:24.160 the cut the rest of the way. I think that's 0:37:24.200 --> 0:37:29.440 where you you alarm. You sound alarmed, but like when 0:37:29.480 --> 0:37:32.279 you look at the schedule upcoming, like he's he's a 0:37:32.320 --> 0:37:38.680 good fit for the playoffs, Yeah, I think, yeah, it's 0:37:38.840 --> 0:37:40.880 kind of surprising he hasn't played well in the open. 0:37:40.960 --> 0:37:45.160 He's still such a good ball striker. I mean, he's he's. 0:37:45.080 --> 0:37:48.360 Only five to eleven in made cuts even like he 0:37:48.520 --> 0:37:52.200 just he doesn't not not even contend it's high finished 0:37:52.239 --> 0:37:55.080 as a T fifteen, he just he doesn't even play 0:37:55.160 --> 0:37:55.799 half the time. 0:37:56.440 --> 0:38:02.440 Yeah, all right, my last thing here is the last chance, 0:38:02.600 --> 0:38:06.520 So the last major of the year. I think, like society, 0:38:07.000 --> 0:38:12.200 golf culture, the majors over the last you know, call 0:38:12.239 --> 0:38:16.360 it five six years have just gained more and more significance. 0:38:18.400 --> 0:38:23.759 These guys careers are so defined on majors. Billy kind 0:38:23.760 --> 0:38:26.799 of talks about this on the pod, like and like 0:38:27.040 --> 0:38:32.359 the the struggle of playing majors understanding like your your 0:38:32.480 --> 0:38:38.279 expectation to win them. The society is like fawning over them. 0:38:38.360 --> 0:38:42.680 They're only four of them a year. It makes it 0:38:42.880 --> 0:38:47.319 very hard, makes it extremely hard. Like you know, I 0:38:47.360 --> 0:38:49.759 think like you think about like a career like Chris 0:38:49.800 --> 0:38:52.240 Paul who just announced his last year in the NBA, 0:38:52.760 --> 0:38:55.840 Like his he's had this unbelievable career, one of the 0:38:55.840 --> 0:38:58.640 great point guards of all time, has never won an 0:38:58.800 --> 0:39:04.000 NBA championship. Is like second line of his career. And 0:39:04.400 --> 0:39:07.239 it's similar with golf, where it could be you could 0:39:07.239 --> 0:39:10.000 be talking about like what like Greg Norman. Greg Norman 0:39:10.239 --> 0:39:15.160 is a perfect example, as was by far the best 0:39:15.239 --> 0:39:18.160 player in the world of golf for a very long time, 0:39:19.280 --> 0:39:23.400 outstanding driver of the golf ball, incredible ball striker. Only 0:39:23.640 --> 0:39:27.000 two major championships, you know, like that is just like 0:39:27.120 --> 0:39:29.560 so quick. So if you start to think about the 0:39:29.640 --> 0:39:33.680 last chance, right, You've got Bryson, who I think like 0:39:34.239 --> 0:39:37.560 Bryson Brahm and are are kind of in their like 0:39:37.760 --> 0:39:40.680 own bucket. I think they have elevated themselves at this 0:39:41.040 --> 0:39:46.000 top pier, top of the pyramid. Your career, your your 0:39:46.239 --> 0:39:52.480 year is really defined based off of major success. In 0:39:52.560 --> 0:39:56.239 a different bucket, You've got more Cowen and Xander. Xander's 0:39:56.239 --> 0:39:59.799 interesting just because of the injury. Defending champion obviously of 0:40:00.080 --> 0:40:02.640 the Open. The injury has been weird. He's played well 0:40:02.640 --> 0:40:04.799 this week with the Scottish, who knows if that could 0:40:04.800 --> 0:40:06.960 be Like I'm almost giving him pass because of the 0:40:06.960 --> 0:40:09.400 injury year. It's been the worst year of his career. 0:40:09.840 --> 0:40:13.400 More cow we touched on earlier. And then final person 0:40:13.440 --> 0:40:17.200 I'm putting in this bucket is Brooks, who obviously has 0:40:17.239 --> 0:40:21.160 five majors. His whole career has been defined by major 0:40:21.239 --> 0:40:25.480 championships and not success in other tournaments. Like most most guys, 0:40:25.480 --> 0:40:28.000 it's like, well he's won all these other tournaments. For Brooks, 0:40:28.000 --> 0:40:29.839 it's like he's got five majors, Like. 0:40:29.840 --> 0:40:32.160 Hey, if you're if you're into Phoenix, I mean, I 0:40:32.160 --> 0:40:34.520 guess he's got that a couple of times that year. 0:40:35.760 --> 0:40:38.080 And I think the thing with Brooks, the added layer 0:40:38.120 --> 0:40:42.200 with Brooks here is is Ricky Elliott being from Northern Ireland, 0:40:42.640 --> 0:40:44.400 them being in the mix last time it was a 0:40:44.480 --> 0:40:46.920 port Rush, you could tell they really wanted to win it. 0:40:47.719 --> 0:40:51.080 For Ricky, I like, Ricky is a legend in port 0:40:51.160 --> 0:40:56.000 Rush and so so Brooks would be in this bucket. 0:40:56.120 --> 0:41:00.160 And then the other aspect of these players are like 0:41:00.200 --> 0:41:04.600 the JT, the Ludwig the Victor. For Ludwig and Victor, 0:41:05.600 --> 0:41:09.319 these are the things that would alter the discourse of them, 0:41:09.840 --> 0:41:12.200 their career and how we discuss them. And I think 0:41:12.360 --> 0:41:15.200 what's interesting about Victor he's been sniffing around a lot 0:41:15.520 --> 0:41:18.160 at majors the last couple of years. Like, you know, 0:41:18.200 --> 0:41:20.520 the way you win a Major is you get into 0:41:20.560 --> 0:41:23.160 contention at a lot of majors, And like Xander is 0:41:23.160 --> 0:41:26.000 a perfect example of that. Last year. Yeah, oh you 0:41:26.040 --> 0:41:28.200 can't win. He's good. Can't get it done, can't get 0:41:28.239 --> 0:41:31.440 it done, like the marker. When the discourse becomes you 0:41:31.480 --> 0:41:33.680 can't get it done on Sunday, that means You're closer 0:41:33.680 --> 0:41:37.160 than ever at getting it done on a Sunday, and 0:41:37.280 --> 0:41:39.440 I think that's like the interesting thing I would I 0:41:39.440 --> 0:41:42.480 would highlight. I'm taking Victor this week, and that's why 0:41:43.080 --> 0:41:43.760 do you have a pick? 0:41:44.600 --> 0:41:47.760 I'm taking big shot Bob another guy who's sniffed around 0:41:48.000 --> 0:41:52.399 in Open championships, almost just back toward his way into 0:41:52.480 --> 0:41:56.359 a US Open. But I'm going Bobby Mack. He's been 0:41:56.520 --> 0:42:00.960 so good the last two months. Everything data, Golf page, 0:42:00.960 --> 0:42:03.000 it's very very green for the last too much for 0:42:03.040 --> 0:42:06.359 Bobby Max. So I think he's trending, and I feel 0:42:06.400 --> 0:42:08.440 pretty good. Honestly, I don't know how I feel. How 0:42:08.480 --> 0:42:10.040 great it is that it's the week after the super 0:42:10.080 --> 0:42:12.160 Bowl the Scottish Open, But that's my pick right now. 0:42:12.800 --> 0:42:16.160 All right, Uh, PJ, thanks for coming on and hitting 0:42:16.160 --> 0:42:19.319 the storylines. We'll kick it over to Billy. This is 0:42:19.480 --> 0:42:23.480 This was really fun chat. So I hope everybody enjoys 0:42:23.520 --> 0:42:27.000 the Billy Horschell and uh and and we will uh 0:42:27.200 --> 0:42:36.320 we'll talk to you at the end here, all right, Billy, 0:42:36.520 --> 0:42:40.040 thanks for coming back on, excited to talk about the Open. 0:42:40.600 --> 0:42:43.200 What's going on with you? The Open last year, which 0:42:43.239 --> 0:42:46.560 was an incredible tournament, that you were a key character 0:42:46.640 --> 0:42:50.560 of you know, I was talking with PJ. Actually, you know, 0:42:50.600 --> 0:42:52.600 one of the things that we've been missing all year 0:42:52.840 --> 0:42:56.959 is Billy Horshell. How are you doing, how's the hip 0:42:57.239 --> 0:43:00.120 and where are you at in terms of your rehap. 0:43:01.040 --> 0:43:04.200 Yeah, everything's going really well. It's two months now since 0:43:04.239 --> 0:43:09.000 my surgery. We have and recoveries progressing nicely. Haven't had 0:43:09.040 --> 0:43:12.879 any setbacks, which is which is always nice. Started hitting 0:43:12.920 --> 0:43:16.319 balls this week, working can work up to about six 0:43:16.400 --> 0:43:20.200 iron can give it like fifty percent effort, but I 0:43:20.239 --> 0:43:23.080 don't know what fifty percent effort is. I'm probably more 0:43:23.120 --> 0:43:27.600 about sixty seventy percent. So yeah, I mean I'm following, 0:43:28.239 --> 0:43:31.680 you know, the instructions as much as I can, and 0:43:31.680 --> 0:43:33.719 and hopefully in a couple of weeks I'll be able 0:43:33.760 --> 0:43:40.080 to work into slowly hitting some woods and and but yeah, 0:43:40.120 --> 0:43:42.960 everything's so far is going well and looking forward to 0:43:42.960 --> 0:43:44.880 get back out here and hopefully in a couple of months. 0:43:45.480 --> 0:43:47.320 I feel like if you're taking a last cent and 0:43:47.400 --> 0:43:50.560 somebody tells you to swing sixty percent, like the ball 0:43:50.680 --> 0:43:53.360 still comes out about the same as if you swing 0:43:54.120 --> 0:43:56.719 if you're swinging all out at it. So yeah, I 0:43:56.719 --> 0:44:01.160 imagine fifty percent. That's the Dicey probably is a lot, 0:44:01.239 --> 0:44:03.560 as you said, a lot higher than that. What's been 0:44:03.680 --> 0:44:06.439 the hardest part about not being out there? 0:44:07.520 --> 0:44:12.000 Oh, you know, I've been asked this question a little bit, 0:44:12.160 --> 0:44:17.160 and I think, you know, right around my surgery or 0:44:17.239 --> 0:44:19.920 just before, I pretty much just sort of shut my 0:44:20.400 --> 0:44:23.080 golf side off. You know what I've the way my 0:44:23.160 --> 0:44:25.839 brain works and what I've solely been focused on in 0:44:25.840 --> 0:44:31.000 a personal in a singular aspect for for decades now. 0:44:31.800 --> 0:44:34.279 I just shut it off because I knew I was 0:44:34.320 --> 0:44:36.000 gonna be playing. I knew I was gonna be practicing 0:44:36.920 --> 0:44:40.880 time soon. I didn't want to sort of, you know, 0:44:41.840 --> 0:44:44.279 this is a perfect time for me to hang out 0:44:44.280 --> 0:44:46.719 with my family, be a part of my kids. His 0:44:46.800 --> 0:44:48.799 life's a little bit more, you know, hang out my 0:44:48.840 --> 0:44:53.680 wife more. Just sort of really ingrain myself into my 0:44:53.719 --> 0:44:56.360 family on a full basis about what we're having to 0:44:56.400 --> 0:44:58.880 worry about going to practice and play and everything. So, 0:45:00.040 --> 0:45:02.440 but the thing I have missed is when I do 0:45:02.600 --> 0:45:05.640 watch on Sundays, you know, seeing guys competing to have 0:45:05.680 --> 0:45:07.880 a chance to win. That's that's what I miss is 0:45:07.920 --> 0:45:10.759 not not being out there, not having that opportunity to 0:45:10.760 --> 0:45:14.040 to win golf tournaments. But but for the most part, 0:45:14.040 --> 0:45:15.759 like I said, I mean, I haven't really I haven't 0:45:15.760 --> 0:45:19.120 really missed golf. I really haven't. I've enjoyed being home. 0:45:19.160 --> 0:45:21.839 I've enjoyed being a dad, taking my kids to to 0:45:21.880 --> 0:45:25.359 their practices and taking them to their sporting events and 0:45:25.360 --> 0:45:28.480 and and not you know, you know, waking up in 0:45:28.520 --> 0:45:30.400 the morning and yeah, I'm going to the gym to 0:45:30.400 --> 0:45:33.719 to to rehab and other stuff. But I get to 0:45:33.760 --> 0:45:35.279 come home and I don't have to worry about going out 0:45:35.360 --> 0:45:37.239 to practice. I can just hang out the house and 0:45:37.480 --> 0:45:41.000 and just relax, which is which has been, like I said, 0:45:41.040 --> 0:45:42.120 been pretty nice. 0:45:42.840 --> 0:45:46.040 Yeah, you get in like the the a slice of 0:45:46.080 --> 0:45:49.239 early retirement, but then you go back out there, which 0:45:49.360 --> 0:45:54.840 is like you know perfect you mentioned, uh watching on Sundays. 0:45:54.840 --> 0:45:57.600 How connected to the to the game have you stayed? 0:46:00.320 --> 0:46:02.920 I mean, other than watching through the TV, that's about it. 0:46:02.960 --> 0:46:05.840 I mean, I obviously I still talk to quite a 0:46:05.880 --> 0:46:08.160 few guys, and quite a few guys have reached out 0:46:08.280 --> 0:46:11.520 check in on me how I've been doing. But but 0:46:11.680 --> 0:46:15.040 other than that, I haven't. You know, there's the connection 0:46:15.160 --> 0:46:17.000 there is. It is like how everyone says, you know, 0:46:17.040 --> 0:46:19.799 when you're away from the tour. You're away from the tour. 0:46:19.920 --> 0:46:21.439 You know, you have your friends and you have certain 0:46:21.480 --> 0:46:24.440 people reach out to you, but other than that, you 0:46:24.480 --> 0:46:26.840 feel like, you know, some people can feel like a 0:46:26.840 --> 0:46:31.000 little lost, that they're not not connected, or they're missing out, 0:46:31.120 --> 0:46:33.480 or they're not in in the grain that they've always 0:46:33.560 --> 0:46:35.960 been of knowing what's going on out on tour and 0:46:36.280 --> 0:46:38.600 the ins and outs and all the little things. 0:46:39.239 --> 0:46:43.200 What you know, you've you've effectively bet a fan watching 0:46:43.239 --> 0:46:47.680 on Sundays. Yeah, what what are your observations as a 0:46:47.719 --> 0:46:51.520 fan of golf? And like, I feel like not a 0:46:51.520 --> 0:46:54.399 lot of tour players they think they like don't get 0:46:54.440 --> 0:46:56.359 to be a fan. As you said, like this is 0:46:56.360 --> 0:46:58.360 probably like one of the first times you've had a 0:46:58.960 --> 0:47:01.759 long break where you just watch golf. Like, what what 0:47:01.880 --> 0:47:07.000 have your observations been as a fan? 0:47:07.000 --> 0:47:09.239 That should be Probably I need to be careful on 0:47:09.320 --> 0:47:13.520 how I say some of this. I think some of 0:47:13.560 --> 0:47:18.840 the stuff that with the technology aspect of it, with 0:47:18.840 --> 0:47:21.480 with both CBS NBC, I think they're doing some really 0:47:21.600 --> 0:47:27.840 unique things and different things. You know, when when I 0:47:27.840 --> 0:47:29.719 think of stuff, sometimes I'm thinking about how to make 0:47:29.760 --> 0:47:32.600 things better and not always focusing on what's really good 0:47:32.680 --> 0:47:33.680 right right then and now. 0:47:34.000 --> 0:47:35.200 That's what podcasts are for. 0:47:35.600 --> 0:47:35.799 You know. 0:47:35.920 --> 0:47:39.120 People say that's you know, it's the place to dream 0:47:39.200 --> 0:47:43.680 and talk about things that you think could could change. 0:47:44.160 --> 0:47:45.880 I'll say what I've always said for a while now, 0:47:45.880 --> 0:47:47.680 because I've always watched a lot of golf. I've always 0:47:47.719 --> 0:47:49.520 been a golf and I'm a golf fan at heart. 0:47:49.680 --> 0:47:52.120 For as a PGA Tour player ever thought about playing 0:47:52.120 --> 0:47:54.880 the PGA Tour, I loved watching golf and I watched 0:47:54.920 --> 0:47:59.319 every minute of golf that possibly could. I think coming 0:47:59.360 --> 0:48:02.920 from a too aspect and a view of way I 0:48:02.960 --> 0:48:05.799 see things and understand things and and what I would want, 0:48:06.840 --> 0:48:10.239 I think some of the analyst is is too too 0:48:10.360 --> 0:48:12.799 cheery a little bit. I think we you know, you 0:48:12.880 --> 0:48:14.600 need that Johnny Miller in there. And I've said this 0:48:14.640 --> 0:48:17.480 for a long time. You need someone that's gonna call, 0:48:18.280 --> 0:48:20.600 you know, be critical of guys when they hit bad 0:48:20.600 --> 0:48:23.120 shots or decisions or anything. I don't I don't think 0:48:23.160 --> 0:48:26.320 anyone comes across strong enough, and I don't think anyone 0:48:26.400 --> 0:48:29.560 does it to what I would say at a good 0:48:29.760 --> 0:48:35.120 at a at a decent level. As for me as 0:48:35.120 --> 0:48:36.920 a fan watching golf, and like I said, I have 0:48:37.000 --> 0:48:39.799 a I'm a PJ Tour player. I have a PJ 0:48:39.960 --> 0:48:42.200 Tour of brain. I understand what a good golf shot is. 0:48:42.200 --> 0:48:44.480 I understand what a bad golf shot is. A lot 0:48:44.480 --> 0:48:46.600 of the viewers do too, but maybe not as in 0:48:46.680 --> 0:48:49.719 depth as mine. But you know, we need to be 0:48:49.760 --> 0:48:52.080 critical of us as as tour players. If someone hits 0:48:52.080 --> 0:48:53.920 a webshot from forty you know, from one hundred and 0:48:53.960 --> 0:48:56.920 twenty yards at forty feet, that's a that's awful. Like, 0:48:57.080 --> 0:48:59.360 let's let's call them out. Let's say that's you know, 0:48:59.480 --> 0:49:01.759 especially if you know, with four holes up to play 0:49:01.760 --> 0:49:03.760 and he's tied for lead and one back, that's pressure. 0:49:03.840 --> 0:49:08.200 That's that's clearly has to be pressure. He's afraid of 0:49:08.200 --> 0:49:10.279 missing that shot. He's afraid of pooling the shot. Like, 0:49:10.520 --> 0:49:12.520 let's be Johnny Miller a little bit like I missed 0:49:12.560 --> 0:49:14.799 Johnny Miller. I know people gave Johnny Miller a lot 0:49:14.800 --> 0:49:18.040 of you know, a lot of crap from here and there, 0:49:18.080 --> 0:49:22.319 but man, he when I watched the old coverages, I 0:49:22.360 --> 0:49:25.400 have a great appreciation for the way he did a 0:49:25.480 --> 0:49:27.240 job in his booths for so many decades. 0:49:28.280 --> 0:49:31.560 Yeah, I mean, I think like the key to longevity too, 0:49:31.920 --> 0:49:37.839 is is doing that because then you don't get old 0:49:37.880 --> 0:49:40.640 because you're just saying what's really on your mind. Right 0:49:41.160 --> 0:49:43.480 when you try and sugar when you sugarcoat stuff like, 0:49:43.960 --> 0:49:49.279 you lose the spectrum of your potential ability to like 0:49:49.440 --> 0:49:52.120 talk on a subject right because you're limiting what you 0:49:52.160 --> 0:49:56.440 can say. I think, uh, I think, let me. 0:49:56.440 --> 0:49:57.960 Stop you, let me let me stop you. You know, 0:49:58.000 --> 0:49:59.560 I just had a thought come on in my head. Yeah. Like, 0:50:00.200 --> 0:50:04.839 And a lot of the analysts there now you know 0:50:04.920 --> 0:50:07.640 there and you have to create a relationship with players, 0:50:07.640 --> 0:50:09.320 like to do a good job, you have to crelationship 0:50:09.360 --> 0:50:12.080 to grow out in the range and get information and everything. 0:50:13.320 --> 0:50:16.360 But I'm not sure if they're afraid to be critical, 0:50:16.400 --> 0:50:18.360 because they're going to lose that aspect of it. And 0:50:18.400 --> 0:50:20.520 if it is that way, then us as tour players 0:50:20.520 --> 0:50:23.719 were too soft. And if someone's going to criticize, you know, 0:50:23.800 --> 0:50:26.360 our decision or what you know, calls out on stuff like, 0:50:26.640 --> 0:50:28.319 that's the name of the game. That's what they're doing 0:50:28.719 --> 0:50:31.720 as an analyst, that's what they should do. Sam Burns 0:50:31.719 --> 0:50:34.959 at the US Open birdies number ten in the final 0:50:35.040 --> 0:50:38.319 round goes to number eleven. He has a I don't know, 0:50:38.360 --> 0:50:40.279 one hundred and eighty yards shot up the hill, whatever 0:50:40.320 --> 0:50:42.799 it was. And when he said the head, when he 0:50:42.840 --> 0:50:45.719 said when they said he had seven iron, I was like, 0:50:46.000 --> 0:50:48.600 I don't think that's enough club because I know Sam, 0:50:48.640 --> 0:50:50.040 I know how far he hits his club. He hits 0:50:50.040 --> 0:50:52.600 it further than me. But with a you know, I 0:50:52.640 --> 0:50:55.400 don't think the yard is took into effect the uphill 0:50:55.440 --> 0:50:59.239 second shot on uphill lie maybe Sam and Travis is 0:50:59.239 --> 0:51:01.960 little worried with the water running down, maybe catching a 0:51:02.000 --> 0:51:04.120 little flyer with the water and going over the green. 0:51:04.640 --> 0:51:07.640 But Sam comes up short. It's super unlucky to be 0:51:07.680 --> 0:51:10.920 plugged or beyond that lip. However it was. But in 0:51:10.960 --> 0:51:13.160 my aspect was that probably should have been a six 0:51:13.200 --> 0:51:15.400 iron there. You know, you got a lot of green 0:51:15.440 --> 0:51:18.120 to work with. You know, seven iron is that enough 0:51:18.160 --> 0:51:20.840 to carry the bunker? You know, be a little critical, 0:51:20.920 --> 0:51:23.240 like I don't if I remember correctly, Like that wasn't 0:51:23.480 --> 0:51:25.520 critical in that aspect there. 0:51:25.640 --> 0:51:29.480 I thought. Also in that regard the t shot was 0:51:29.520 --> 0:51:32.880 a real mistake too, because the you know, like he 0:51:33.480 --> 0:51:37.080 in normal conditions, I think he hit three wood. I 0:51:37.120 --> 0:51:39.640 think that was the right club. But the weather was 0:51:39.680 --> 0:51:41.759 it was like kind of like piss and rain and 0:51:41.800 --> 0:51:44.960 the ball's not going anywhere and you have to hit something, 0:51:45.360 --> 0:51:48.040 especially with how soft the turf is. You know, you're 0:51:48.080 --> 0:51:50.759 worried about that creek that cuts through, but with how 0:51:50.800 --> 0:51:53.120 soft it was, the ball's not going to roll into 0:51:53.120 --> 0:51:55.600 the creek. And there was a misplay off the tee 0:51:55.600 --> 0:51:57.959 and none of it was like all like, oh, bad luck. 0:51:58.040 --> 0:52:02.520 It was like, no, maybe a a misplayed golf hole. 0:52:03.040 --> 0:52:05.239 You know, you can you can say a little bit 0:52:05.239 --> 0:52:07.440 of bad luck. But maybe the decision making, maybe the 0:52:07.680 --> 0:52:10.200 club selection off the team, maybe the club selection to 0:52:10.280 --> 0:52:12.840 the green probably wasn't the right one. And yeah, you 0:52:12.880 --> 0:52:14.759 can look back after a shot. But before we hit 0:52:14.760 --> 0:52:17.359 that shot, I was saying, seven irons is not enough club. 0:52:17.400 --> 0:52:19.240 I don't think that's enough club. And maybe it's because 0:52:19.239 --> 0:52:21.799 I just saw someone before him hit a seven iron 0:52:21.840 --> 0:52:23.279 come up short in the bunker I think it was 0:52:23.400 --> 0:52:26.719 or whatever. And Sam's hitting seven iron from maybe five 0:52:26.800 --> 0:52:29.120 yards further. I'm like, that's got to be a six iron. Sam, Like, 0:52:29.760 --> 0:52:33.880 you know, but you know, there's, like I said, I 0:52:34.440 --> 0:52:40.000 think that aspect like that's a you know it we 0:52:40.000 --> 0:52:43.200 we I think as as fans and as players and everyone, 0:52:43.239 --> 0:52:45.879 like you want to you want to show how great 0:52:45.920 --> 0:52:48.359 we are and and when we hit great shots, hit 0:52:48.400 --> 0:52:50.400 great shots, but when we hit bad shots or or 0:52:50.440 --> 0:52:52.719 we choke or we do something that the pressure gets 0:52:52.760 --> 0:52:54.880 to us or you know, if you think it's a 0:52:54.960 --> 0:52:57.960 mental you know, he's got a little mental yip action, 0:52:58.160 --> 0:52:59.680 you know, because of the shot he hit or whatever, 0:52:59.680 --> 0:53:01.680 Like let's call us out on that. Like that's that 0:53:01.880 --> 0:53:03.680 just sort of creates a little bit of edge. I 0:53:03.680 --> 0:53:06.759 think that's, you know, something great that viewers would love 0:53:06.800 --> 0:53:08.880 to see. Like I said, I don't know. I grew 0:53:08.960 --> 0:53:10.799 up in the era with Johnny Miller, and I think 0:53:10.840 --> 0:53:13.360 Johnny Miller is the best, and I always I've always 0:53:13.360 --> 0:53:13.960 thought that way. 0:53:14.800 --> 0:53:18.120 Particularly a back nine on Sunday is like what you're 0:53:18.160 --> 0:53:21.040 talking about, you're talking about, like what golf is. You're 0:53:21.080 --> 0:53:23.440 talking about the essence of golf is that by the 0:53:23.440 --> 0:53:26.439 culmination of the back nine on Sunday, you are at 0:53:26.640 --> 0:53:32.279 like peak decision making and execution moments where the margins 0:53:32.400 --> 0:53:35.440 just shrink down. And that part of it is because 0:53:35.480 --> 0:53:38.160 of what you're feeling as a player in that moment, 0:53:38.320 --> 0:53:41.200 like you are amped up and you are going through 0:53:41.239 --> 0:53:44.160 this like you know, you're trying to bring home in 0:53:44.200 --> 0:53:47.360 that situation the biggest win of your career for everybody 0:53:47.400 --> 0:53:50.160 on that board for the most part, and you know, 0:53:50.280 --> 0:53:53.600 like the execution, the decision making becomes so razor thin 0:53:53.680 --> 0:53:57.080 because you know, like I think, like every time I 0:53:57.120 --> 0:53:59.840 get done with a major, I just am like god, Like, 0:54:00.040 --> 0:54:02.280 what's crazy is like a bounce here or a bounce 0:54:02.320 --> 0:54:05.080 there you could talk yourself into like almost like ten 0:54:05.120 --> 0:54:07.799 guys getting it done outside of the times where like, 0:54:08.000 --> 0:54:10.120 you know, a player just runs away and is clearly 0:54:10.160 --> 0:54:13.960 the best you know, and it is That is what's 0:54:14.000 --> 0:54:19.440 amazing about golf and why some of those decision decisions 0:54:19.480 --> 0:54:22.759 need to be like scrutinized and looked at with like 0:54:22.800 --> 0:54:25.879 a fine comb, like did did they do the right thing? 0:54:25.880 --> 0:54:29.680 Because that's the difference between you know, winning and losing. 0:54:29.719 --> 0:54:32.040 And I think for Sam Burns, like he hit some 0:54:32.080 --> 0:54:34.080 really good shots on that back nine, but he also 0:54:34.160 --> 0:54:36.840 hit some really bad shots. And in the bad shots, 0:54:36.840 --> 0:54:39.520 like you know he had on the what was it 0:54:39.560 --> 0:54:41.920 the short on twelve he had he hit one of 0:54:41.960 --> 0:54:44.400 the worst wedges I've seen, like a pro in contention, 0:54:44.600 --> 0:54:47.239 hit from you know where he basically missed the I 0:54:47.280 --> 0:54:49.520 think he missed the green on twelve from ninety yards, 0:54:49.560 --> 0:54:51.799 you know, and it's like that's just you know, not 0:54:51.880 --> 0:54:55.399 good enough in that in that moment. But uh, let's 0:54:55.440 --> 0:54:59.840 talk about the Open. We'll talk about you in contention. 0:55:00.200 --> 0:55:03.600 Last year, this this was a this was an awesome, 0:55:03.920 --> 0:55:09.080 uh weekend at the Open. Just in general, I imagine 0:55:09.600 --> 0:55:15.640 that there are moments and shots that run through your head. 0:55:16.000 --> 0:55:18.440 I feel like when you play tournament golf, you get 0:55:18.480 --> 0:55:21.840 like these like vivid like movies in your head of 0:55:21.960 --> 0:55:26.520 moments from last year. Are there particular things that you 0:55:26.640 --> 0:55:32.200 think about often? The honest answer, No, See, that's a 0:55:32.239 --> 0:55:33.160 good short memory. 0:55:33.920 --> 0:55:36.080 I mean, I mean I can remember every shot hit 0:55:36.640 --> 0:55:40.520 and and you know what I felt like and emotions 0:55:40.560 --> 0:55:43.520 I was feeling, and you know everything you know doing 0:55:43.520 --> 0:55:48.080 the shot. You know, there's times that I'll catch myself 0:55:48.120 --> 0:55:50.279 looking back, But a lot of times I'm always I'm 0:55:50.320 --> 0:55:53.640 so focused on moving forward and and what's the next 0:55:53.680 --> 0:55:56.600 thing getting there again that you know, sometimes you don't 0:55:56.640 --> 0:55:59.320 you don't sit back and yeah, you know I didn't 0:55:59.360 --> 0:56:01.440 win the Open, but I played great. I had a 0:56:01.640 --> 0:56:04.320 you know, I had a chance to win. I finished 0:56:04.360 --> 0:56:08.319 second best finish of my career in a major and 0:56:08.320 --> 0:56:11.719 and you know probably should have you know, when I 0:56:11.760 --> 0:56:13.239 look back at it, I say this every time, even 0:56:13.280 --> 0:56:15.799 after win. I should probably enjoy this more and let 0:56:15.800 --> 0:56:17.960 it soak in and and and take it all in. 0:56:18.000 --> 0:56:20.560 But I'm always so much of moving on to the 0:56:20.600 --> 0:56:23.200 next thing. But I think some shots I think about, 0:56:23.360 --> 0:56:27.000 just some some great bunker shots I hit. At the 0:56:27.000 --> 0:56:29.359 same time, I think about some awful iron shots I hit. 0:56:29.600 --> 0:56:31.560 I hit an awful iron shot in the final round 0:56:31.560 --> 0:56:34.560 on number ten. I had an awful iron shot on 0:56:34.680 --> 0:56:39.520 number sixteen the third round. My third shot, you know 0:56:40.080 --> 0:56:42.279 it was I flared it right into a bunker and 0:56:42.280 --> 0:56:44.160 plugged it. But I hit a great bunker shot and 0:56:44.200 --> 0:56:49.240 almost hold it out, you know, burning number eighteen on Sunday, 0:56:49.760 --> 0:56:54.880 burning sixteen seventy eighteen to finish. So yeah, I mean 0:56:54.880 --> 0:56:57.759 there's there's shots that I can easily call, but I 0:56:57.840 --> 0:57:01.279 just don't go back and and you know, yeah, I'm 0:57:01.320 --> 0:57:04.080 sort of caught off God when it does come when 0:57:04.120 --> 0:57:05.759 I am caught, you know, thinking about it. 0:57:06.360 --> 0:57:10.280 The Saturday round in particular was like one of the 0:57:10.320 --> 0:57:14.359 great like just holding it together. It felt like like 0:57:14.520 --> 0:57:21.560 just like keeping the ship going forward. Rounds and probably 0:57:21.560 --> 0:57:22.280 in your career. 0:57:23.360 --> 0:57:25.919 Yeah, exactly right. I mean, honestly, I mean the way 0:57:27.160 --> 0:57:29.080 the conditions were and everything, it was more or less 0:57:29.120 --> 0:57:31.439 like get the ball, go forward. I don't really care 0:57:31.440 --> 0:57:33.960 how far it goes, as long as it's going forward 0:57:34.000 --> 0:57:36.480 and not left or right too much like we are 0:57:36.520 --> 0:57:41.760 winning at this game. And yeah, it was. I can't 0:57:41.760 --> 0:57:43.680 say it was the toughest conditions I played in, because 0:57:43.680 --> 0:57:45.919 the toughest conditions I played in was the second round 0:57:45.920 --> 0:57:50.920 of Dunhill in twenty twenty two or three. I think 0:57:50.960 --> 0:57:54.680 it was my wife Scott it, so it was twenty two. Yeah, 0:57:54.800 --> 0:57:57.800 it was. It was nasty weather that we played in. 0:57:57.960 --> 0:58:03.440 But yeah, that that day in that round. And I've 0:58:03.480 --> 0:58:07.680 said this many times, I don't I don't think I 0:58:07.680 --> 0:58:10.160 would have played as well if I wasn't paired with 0:58:10.240 --> 0:58:13.000 someone like Justin and Foods for Rosian Foods. There are 0:58:13.000 --> 0:58:16.520 two great friends of mine. We have mutual respect for 0:58:16.600 --> 0:58:19.720 each other, and we both are just guys that grind 0:58:19.760 --> 0:58:22.439 it out. You know, when when you're grinding it out 0:58:22.560 --> 0:58:24.480 and you're making a score and you have someone else 0:58:24.520 --> 0:58:26.600 doing the same thing, it's sort of you guys are 0:58:26.840 --> 0:58:29.720 you know, fist pumping each other and sort of pulling 0:58:29.720 --> 0:58:31.280 for each other, even though we're in one of the 0:58:31.360 --> 0:58:34.480 last groups on a third round of a major. You're 0:58:34.480 --> 0:58:36.400 pulling for each other. Now, if I had it was 0:58:36.400 --> 0:58:39.320 playing with someone who was just doing the towel, you know, 0:58:40.160 --> 0:58:41.840 made a couple of bad holes and just doing the 0:58:41.880 --> 0:58:44.480 towel like that just sort of brings the whole mood 0:58:44.520 --> 0:58:46.640 down in the group that it's, yeah, you're you're letting 0:58:46.680 --> 0:58:50.320 the conditions get the better of you. But you know, 0:58:50.360 --> 0:58:52.560 I've always enjoyed playing and stuff like that, And like 0:58:52.600 --> 0:58:55.840 I said, you know, I obviously it was a great 0:58:55.880 --> 0:58:58.360 pairing to have. And I think, you know, Rosie and 0:58:58.400 --> 0:58:59.960 I played beautifully in those conditions. 0:59:00.920 --> 0:59:03.160 I think you hit on, you know, a core essence 0:59:03.160 --> 0:59:06.600 of the Open. I think, you know, golf is unique 0:59:06.800 --> 0:59:09.720 and what you just said, like you're you're you and 0:59:09.960 --> 0:59:12.520 Rosie are in the thick of it. Have both have 0:59:12.600 --> 0:59:15.120 a great chance to win late in a tournament that 0:59:15.440 --> 0:59:19.919 you know, career defining moments for both of you. And 0:59:20.760 --> 0:59:25.040 because of the additional element of the Open, which is 0:59:25.120 --> 0:59:28.560 the elements the idea of whether you know you're playing 0:59:28.600 --> 0:59:31.760 the course in any golf tournament, you're building almost like 0:59:32.120 --> 0:59:34.840 a house when you think about a four round golf 0:59:35.160 --> 0:59:37.760 golf round in the first rounds of Foundation, just like, 0:59:38.040 --> 0:59:39.840 we don't screw this up. We've got a chance to 0:59:39.840 --> 0:59:43.560 build up right. And you're but you're you're doing this 0:59:43.640 --> 0:59:46.880 on your own and you're competing at the same time, 0:59:46.920 --> 0:59:50.040 but you're playing against the course. And when you get 0:59:50.080 --> 0:59:52.680 those elements, like, I think you hit on it totally. 0:59:52.720 --> 0:59:56.520 When you're playing a particularly it feels like challenging mentally 0:59:56.600 --> 1:00:00.360 challenging round of golf. That player that you're out they're 1:00:00.400 --> 1:00:03.840 battling with, becomes like if you're both going through, like 1:00:04.240 --> 1:00:07.160 you can draft off each other in there, and it's 1:00:07.200 --> 1:00:09.400 it's so true. And I don't know if there's ever 1:00:09.400 --> 1:00:12.160 been analytical studies done on it, but like sometimes you 1:00:12.240 --> 1:00:14.800 just come across bad vibe groups where like things aren't 1:00:14.840 --> 1:00:16.960 going well and it's easy to get down down in 1:00:16.960 --> 1:00:20.520 your luck as a group with the Open when the 1:00:20.600 --> 1:00:24.680 elements turn is how's that? 1:00:25.520 --> 1:00:25.720 You know? 1:00:25.840 --> 1:00:28.560 And I guess this is a links golf question. What 1:00:28.680 --> 1:00:34.280 are the skill sets and the types of traits that 1:00:34.320 --> 1:00:37.640 you need to have for when you know the Open 1:00:37.800 --> 1:00:40.840 or any links tournament can get particularly challenging. 1:00:42.480 --> 1:00:48.200 I you know, I think, uh, I can't remember how 1:00:48.240 --> 1:00:51.200 I phrased it last year after the third round. But 1:00:52.320 --> 1:00:55.040 you're not You don't care about any perfect you don't 1:00:55.040 --> 1:00:56.760 care about what a swing looks like. You don't care 1:00:56.840 --> 1:01:00.280 how how far it goes. You're hoping that it hit 1:01:00.400 --> 1:01:02.320 somewhere in this in the face and the ball goes straight. 1:01:02.400 --> 1:01:05.200 Like I mean, when I'm playing those conditions, like, I 1:01:05.240 --> 1:01:07.160 feel like I'm not swinging that hard. I feel like 1:01:07.200 --> 1:01:09.360 it's a shorter golf swing. I feel like the ball's 1:01:09.400 --> 1:01:11.840 not going up in the air. I'm keeping it, you know, 1:01:11.920 --> 1:01:13.640 out of the wind, out of the out of the 1:01:13.680 --> 1:01:17.720 elements as much as I can. You know, it's not 1:01:17.880 --> 1:01:22.120 pretty golf. It's you know, the score and the way 1:01:22.160 --> 1:01:24.560 you do it can look can sort of look pretty, 1:01:24.800 --> 1:01:27.280 but the way it feels and the way you know 1:01:27.320 --> 1:01:29.600 what how you want it to look and everything can 1:01:29.640 --> 1:01:34.040 look ugly. And you know, I think it's just sort 1:01:34.040 --> 1:01:37.160 of like managing it. You know, how am I going 1:01:37.240 --> 1:01:40.760 to hit this shot from one hundred that I remember? Yeah, 1:01:40.880 --> 1:01:44.080 like the third like I said, sixteen the third round, 1:01:44.160 --> 1:01:47.240 my third shot, I had like one hundred and maybe 1:01:47.320 --> 1:01:51.120 twenty yards and I was in between six and seven. 1:01:51.240 --> 1:01:53.600 I thought I could chip a little six and I 1:01:53.640 --> 1:01:56.080 you know, just you know, didn't make a great you know, 1:01:56.200 --> 1:01:58.920 little chippy action. I flirted out to the right and 1:01:59.080 --> 1:02:00.760 I was like, man, maybe it's just been a hard 1:02:00.760 --> 1:02:02.360 seven to play it back in your stance and just 1:02:02.640 --> 1:02:04.720 put it even lower, maybe even run it up the 1:02:04.760 --> 1:02:07.440 green a little bit. But you know, it's one of 1:02:07.440 --> 1:02:09.720 those things where I just say, you find a way 1:02:09.720 --> 1:02:12.720 to get it done. I think that's what the best 1:02:12.760 --> 1:02:16.920 players who played in those conditions have always done. You know, 1:02:16.960 --> 1:02:19.600 they're not worried about making this sling look pretty, not 1:02:19.680 --> 1:02:23.640 worried about how far the ball goes. I mean you're 1:02:23.640 --> 1:02:25.720 really not. I mean you're worried about hitting the center 1:02:25.720 --> 1:02:27.760 of the face. But you know, with the technology now, 1:02:27.800 --> 1:02:30.120 you know you can be a little off center with 1:02:30.160 --> 1:02:31.600 a missit and the ball is still going to go 1:02:31.680 --> 1:02:36.640 fairly straight. So yeah, it's it's it's survival golf is 1:02:36.640 --> 1:02:37.160 what it is. 1:02:38.080 --> 1:02:40.280 In a way, like listening to you talk about this 1:02:40.560 --> 1:02:45.560 is it is it kind of almost a return to 1:02:45.680 --> 1:02:50.400 when you were younger, more naive, and knew less about golf. 1:02:50.440 --> 1:02:52.959 It becomes more like golf as a kid. 1:02:53.840 --> 1:02:55.560 Yeah, you're just trying to hit shots you're trying to 1:02:55.600 --> 1:02:58.400 figure out how to hit this shot. You know, you know, 1:02:58.560 --> 1:03:00.760 you're trying to hit like a twenty low hook. You 1:03:00.760 --> 1:03:02.360 know what club I'm gonna hit like a twenty yard 1:03:02.360 --> 1:03:04.680 low hook, or if I'm trying to play a bump 1:03:04.680 --> 1:03:10.320 and run shot. I remember hitting on number ten eleven, 1:03:11.400 --> 1:03:16.040 that was twelve thirteen thirteen to part four, played really long. 1:03:18.000 --> 1:03:20.120 I hit driver, and I tried to hit like a 1:03:20.160 --> 1:03:22.240 two iron. I flirted at short rider of the green. 1:03:22.800 --> 1:03:24.920 I think Rosie made hit three wood. He hit a 1:03:24.960 --> 1:03:28.400 beautiful shot. I think it was three. He hit a 1:03:28.400 --> 1:03:30.920 beautiful shot, like on the front edge of the green 1:03:31.160 --> 1:03:33.800 from like one hundred and ninety yards and he hits 1:03:33.800 --> 1:03:36.520 it three two hundred and seventy yards. So but I 1:03:36.560 --> 1:03:39.640 had this stance over in my third shot. That ball 1:03:39.760 --> 1:03:42.520 was like above my feet. But I was on a 1:03:42.520 --> 1:03:46.000 severe downhill, lie in the fest in like the heather 1:03:46.200 --> 1:03:49.320 or whatever, and I was trying to figure out how 1:03:49.320 --> 1:03:51.280 to hit this And I was fifty yards from the 1:03:51.320 --> 1:03:55.439 hole in, and I knew if I hit a fifty six, 1:03:55.760 --> 1:03:58.120 I was gonna have to hit it really hard and 1:03:58.160 --> 1:03:59.720 it was gonna get up in the air too much. 1:04:00.040 --> 1:04:01.760 And I'm like if I hit a fifty two, there 1:04:01.800 --> 1:04:03.960 was this hill in front of me about seven to 1:04:03.960 --> 1:04:07.080 ten yards that it may not clear. And I was like, well, 1:04:07.120 --> 1:04:08.600 I got to take the fifty two because I'm not 1:04:08.720 --> 1:04:11.080 hitting something up in the air. And I hit the 1:04:11.080 --> 1:04:13.880 fifty two it barely clear. Is a hill, hits a downslope, 1:04:14.200 --> 1:04:16.280 runs out there has a whole bunch of you know, 1:04:17.160 --> 1:04:19.720 momentum to the ball checks a little bit with all 1:04:19.720 --> 1:04:22.240 the water and the wind, the ball stops right, almost 1:04:22.280 --> 1:04:24.439 goes in. I think I almost lipked it out. And 1:04:24.560 --> 1:04:26.320 I was like, you know, you just figure out how 1:04:26.360 --> 1:04:30.240 how to hit a shot. It doesn't matter how it looks. 1:04:31.040 --> 1:04:33.640 You're just sort of using as much imagination as you 1:04:33.640 --> 1:04:34.280 possibly can. 1:04:35.360 --> 1:04:39.800 I think that like act perfectly executed, like chip that 1:04:39.960 --> 1:04:42.760 has like a little run to it, as one of 1:04:42.840 --> 1:04:45.320 the one of the greatest feelings of golf when you're 1:04:45.360 --> 1:04:48.000 just watch it and you know right when you clip it, 1:04:48.000 --> 1:04:52.920 it's just right, Yes, you, I would say, and I 1:04:53.640 --> 1:04:56.360 you know, you know, in the case of being blunt, 1:04:56.400 --> 1:05:01.760 I'm not mischaracterizing your Link's career here. It was not great. 1:05:01.960 --> 1:05:04.600 It felt like it feels like twenty twenty two. You 1:05:04.600 --> 1:05:06.840 had a t twenty one at the Old Course and 1:05:06.960 --> 1:05:11.080 that kind of started. Is there something that that changed 1:05:11.240 --> 1:05:16.880 in your in your approach to the Open or is 1:05:16.960 --> 1:05:22.640 something about your game and finding something that really that 1:05:22.960 --> 1:05:27.240 allowed you to become more of a well rounded player 1:05:27.280 --> 1:05:31.200 that you started to play better in links golf. Yeah. 1:05:31.200 --> 1:05:33.720 I think there's a couple of things. I think early 1:05:33.760 --> 1:05:36.080 on in the first five or six years of my career, 1:05:36.200 --> 1:05:40.200 maybe seven, and at the Links at the Open Championship. 1:05:40.840 --> 1:05:43.120 I mean, we all know this can happen, but five 1:05:43.160 --> 1:05:45.600 hours seven of those I was on the worst drawl 1:05:45.600 --> 1:05:48.800 you could possibly get. I mean not just I was 1:05:48.840 --> 1:05:50.640 on a bad draw. I was on the worst, like 1:05:50.680 --> 1:05:54.840 the literally the worst little hour ninety minute stretch of 1:05:55.480 --> 1:05:56.240 tea times like. 1:05:56.280 --> 1:05:59.360 That was where I was set up one of the 1:05:59.560 --> 1:06:01.320 core elements of it. 1:06:02.040 --> 1:06:06.160 It is, and and I think you know through that 1:06:06.320 --> 1:06:10.760 I may have not handled those situations as well. Obviously 1:06:10.800 --> 1:06:12.920 I didn't have any as well because I missed the cut, 1:06:13.840 --> 1:06:16.440 simple as that. But I think the big thing was 1:06:16.440 --> 1:06:21.280 when I started playing the Dunhill Links Championship on the 1:06:21.320 --> 1:06:23.120 dp WLD Tour at the back end of the year. 1:06:24.240 --> 1:06:27.040 I love going to the Saint Andrews and I enjoy 1:06:27.080 --> 1:06:30.800 it so much, but playing three rounds of links, four 1:06:30.840 --> 1:06:35.000 rounds of links, course of golf, playing in conditions that 1:06:35.400 --> 1:06:38.400 in late September, early October and Scotland can be sort 1:06:38.440 --> 1:06:45.280 of iffy, really, you know, improved, you know, just my knowledge, 1:06:45.320 --> 1:06:47.600 my understanding. I always felt I had the game. I 1:06:47.600 --> 1:06:50.200 always felt I had all the shots. It was understanding 1:06:50.280 --> 1:06:52.320 when to hit certain shots, it was understanding what a 1:06:52.360 --> 1:06:55.320 good score was, how to play certain holes in the conditions, 1:06:55.400 --> 1:07:00.960 and you know, just all that knowledge you gain. And 1:07:01.040 --> 1:07:03.720 so that started in twenty one. I go to twenty 1:07:03.760 --> 1:07:07.680 two at Saint Andrew's. I play really well. I had 1:07:07.760 --> 1:07:11.000 unfortunately ten three putts that week that's on the green, 1:07:11.040 --> 1:07:14.600 that's not off the green, that's ten. So you know, 1:07:14.640 --> 1:07:16.480 that was a little bummer because I played really well 1:07:16.720 --> 1:07:19.720 and I put it the worst I possibly could for 1:07:19.800 --> 1:07:25.400 four days, you know. And then twenty three where were in. 1:07:25.320 --> 1:07:30.439 Twenty three twenty three would have bands not true twenty 1:07:30.480 --> 1:07:32.240 three Hoylake Hola. 1:07:32.360 --> 1:07:38.840 Again, that was one where I didn't play that bad. 1:07:39.080 --> 1:07:41.360 I just made a couple of bad swings. You know. 1:07:41.440 --> 1:07:44.440 Then it you know, takes chances of the momentum. But 1:07:45.080 --> 1:07:48.320 I felt comfortable with myself on link style courses and 1:07:49.960 --> 1:07:53.040 you know, I was. It was finally nice to see, 1:07:53.200 --> 1:07:55.480 you know, a result happened in the opening because I 1:07:55.840 --> 1:07:58.400 loved the Open so much. I love the fans, I 1:07:58.400 --> 1:08:01.120 love the history, I love the courses. I love everything 1:08:01.160 --> 1:08:04.360 about golf over there, like missing the Genesis this week, 1:08:04.400 --> 1:08:07.760 the Scottish Opening, and missing Open these two weeks. This 1:08:07.840 --> 1:08:10.360 is the first time in two months that I've actually 1:08:10.400 --> 1:08:14.160 been like, God, damn, this sucks, Like I wish I 1:08:14.240 --> 1:08:14.800 was over there. 1:08:15.480 --> 1:08:18.720 I feel similar similarly, one of my or two of 1:08:18.760 --> 1:08:21.360 my colleagues are going over. I'm not going over and 1:08:21.400 --> 1:08:24.920 I'm just kind of like, oh God, and like, yeah, 1:08:25.000 --> 1:08:27.439 it's funny you say, like going to the Dunhill. I 1:08:28.160 --> 1:08:30.920 spent a week in Saint Andrew's earlier this year, and 1:08:30.960 --> 1:08:34.160 it's like if I were if I were a pro golfer, 1:08:34.840 --> 1:08:37.760 and it makes actually total sense, right, Like this is 1:08:37.760 --> 1:08:39.800 one of the majors of the year, one of the 1:08:39.840 --> 1:08:43.880 four majors, and the Dunhill is like it offers you 1:08:43.920 --> 1:08:45.960 an opportunity to go hang out in like one of 1:08:46.000 --> 1:08:50.519 the greatest towns in the world of golf, and during 1:08:50.800 --> 1:08:53.760 when school is in session, which I think like heightens 1:08:53.800 --> 1:08:56.240 Like when you go play an open there, it's kind 1:08:56.240 --> 1:08:59.000 of it's not really like the vibrant college town. Correct 1:08:59.479 --> 1:09:02.360 it becomes, but like the Dunhill Week the schools in session, 1:09:02.520 --> 1:09:04.880 is this vibrant college town with like all sorts of 1:09:04.920 --> 1:09:08.719 culture and and it's like one of the coolest things. 1:09:08.720 --> 1:09:12.680 But as you illuminated, I mean this is like this 1:09:12.800 --> 1:09:16.960 is just opportunity to expose yourself to the type of golf. 1:09:17.000 --> 1:09:18.479 And I think like one of the things that gets 1:09:18.520 --> 1:09:22.519 like sometimes forgotten about golf is like so much of 1:09:22.680 --> 1:09:27.000 setup and golf courses, like types of golf courses dictate 1:09:27.040 --> 1:09:29.280 who's going to play well. Like I think it's like 1:09:29.439 --> 1:09:34.840 very interesting when you look at like US Open sectional qualifying, right, 1:09:34.920 --> 1:09:37.439 Like there are guys that just get out every year 1:09:37.600 --> 1:09:40.200 from the same site. And it's not they should not 1:09:40.320 --> 1:09:43.840 have like this overwhelming, but like certain set up, certain 1:09:44.000 --> 1:09:47.760 styles of golf lead to different types of players. We 1:09:47.800 --> 1:09:49.600 see it with like people that are really in the 1:09:49.600 --> 1:09:52.240 weeds on gambling. Like yeah, there are like courses for 1:09:52.320 --> 1:09:57.960 courses and like exposing gaining yourself the opportunity to expose 1:09:57.960 --> 1:10:02.240 yourself to the types of gained that valuable experience on 1:10:02.320 --> 1:10:05.320 links golf, and I think, like, what you know, one 1:10:05.320 --> 1:10:08.519 of the things I'm fascinated by with the Open is 1:10:08.800 --> 1:10:14.720 like the age the average age of contenders and major championships, 1:10:14.760 --> 1:10:17.880 and almost every major has gone like is plumb, It's 1:10:18.000 --> 1:10:22.679 down right. The older championships are the Masters, which has 1:10:22.760 --> 1:10:26.000 like a very complex course, and the Open. The Open 1:10:26.120 --> 1:10:29.960 is like the the tournament that like pro golfers of 1:10:30.040 --> 1:10:32.680 all ages have like a shot, but it's actually like 1:10:32.760 --> 1:10:35.200 it's a It's a really wide spectrum if you look 1:10:35.240 --> 1:10:38.719 at it. It's significantly older the average age of say 1:10:38.800 --> 1:10:42.240 the top ten, than every other major, and to me, 1:10:43.479 --> 1:10:47.800 like the vast majority of Americans have so little experience 1:10:47.960 --> 1:10:50.559 playing that style of golf. And that's why you see 1:10:50.600 --> 1:10:52.439 that that average age tick up. 1:10:53.560 --> 1:10:57.840 Yeah, I think, you know. I tell all my friends 1:10:57.840 --> 1:10:59.880 anyone I come across and they ask about link style 1:11:00.040 --> 1:11:02.160 horses are playing over there. I was like, if you 1:11:02.200 --> 1:11:05.559 go over there, I'd be hard pressed if you came 1:11:05.600 --> 1:11:10.080 back and you told me that you'd rather play American 1:11:10.120 --> 1:11:13.479 courses more than links courses more, because I think it 1:11:13.560 --> 1:11:18.360 allows anyone at any level to be able to play 1:11:18.400 --> 1:11:20.439 well there. You don't have to fly the ball every 1:11:20.479 --> 1:11:22.240 time onto the green. You can run the ball up, 1:11:22.280 --> 1:11:24.559 you can bounce the ball up. There's other ways to 1:11:24.600 --> 1:11:27.519 get the ball closer. You know, you can in America. 1:11:27.760 --> 1:11:29.400 You know, if a guy drives it two thirty, he 1:11:29.479 --> 1:11:31.479 drives it two thirty. He may only hit it two twenty. 1:11:31.479 --> 1:11:34.599 It rolls out ten yards over there, depends on you know, 1:11:34.680 --> 1:11:36.840 how much weather they've had. He can hit it two 1:11:36.920 --> 1:11:39.320 twenty and he could run out fifty yards. And I mean, 1:11:39.360 --> 1:11:42.160 how nice. I mean that's for anyone to be able 1:11:42.200 --> 1:11:44.920 to green fifty yards and hit five yards clubs into 1:11:44.920 --> 1:11:46.479 a green or four less clubs, like they're going to 1:11:46.600 --> 1:11:49.560 enjoy golf even more. So. It's just so unique and 1:11:49.600 --> 1:11:52.559 there's so many options and a way to play the 1:11:52.600 --> 1:11:54.680 game of golf. And obviously that's where it started, and 1:11:54.720 --> 1:12:01.120 that's how you know, you know, we the game. I 1:12:01.160 --> 1:12:03.639 can't say ultimately should be played because you can't have 1:12:03.720 --> 1:12:07.120 you can't recreate that everywhere in the world. But it's 1:12:07.240 --> 1:12:11.080 just a foundation of golf and it's so fun to 1:12:11.160 --> 1:12:13.800 go over there because like I said, and I tell 1:12:13.840 --> 1:12:16.320 guys said, try to hit shots. Listen to your caddy 1:12:16.680 --> 1:12:18.679 if he's telling you hit a five iron and sort 1:12:18.720 --> 1:12:21.120 of play like a little bump shot or you know 1:12:21.200 --> 1:12:22.920 a little half shot and only hit like one hundred 1:12:22.960 --> 1:12:24.519 yards and let him roll out of eighty yards. Like 1:12:24.640 --> 1:12:27.240 do that. He's telling you because he knows how this 1:12:27.320 --> 1:12:30.200 needs to be played. And I think the caddies make 1:12:30.240 --> 1:12:31.800 it such a great experience as well. 1:12:31.840 --> 1:12:34.360 Over there, it's it's funny, you know one of the 1:12:34.479 --> 1:12:37.599 good the players that's played well at the Open, that's 1:12:37.600 --> 1:12:40.920 a young player and it's like it was a it 1:12:40.960 --> 1:12:43.360 was a big story at Hoylake was this Matthew Jordan 1:12:43.439 --> 1:12:46.840 who grew up playing Hoylake, right, and he's not I 1:12:46.880 --> 1:12:49.320 would say, like he's not like of the tier of 1:12:49.400 --> 1:12:52.120 world class player, but like here he is. He's earned 1:12:52.120 --> 1:12:54.840 his spot in the Open three now now it's the 1:12:54.920 --> 1:12:57.000 second year in a row playing on an exemption of 1:12:57.000 --> 1:12:59.200 finishing in the top twelve of last year's Open. It's 1:12:59.240 --> 1:13:04.240 like periods on links golf is so important to playing 1:13:04.240 --> 1:13:07.000 and I think there's like almost like an embrace of 1:13:07.080 --> 1:13:09.800 links golf that has to happen in order for you 1:13:09.880 --> 1:13:12.400 to play well. Like Phil Michelson talked about this like 1:13:12.680 --> 1:13:14.760 it took him a long time to like learn to 1:13:14.840 --> 1:13:18.960 love links golf. I'm kind of curious with like with 1:13:19.040 --> 1:13:21.520 the week of the Open you go to these places, 1:13:21.640 --> 1:13:24.680 is there anything that's different for you with like the 1:13:24.720 --> 1:13:29.439 town or anything that you do differently when you're over 1:13:29.479 --> 1:13:32.320 there than a normal week on the PGA Tour or 1:13:32.360 --> 1:13:34.559 a normal major week for that matter in America. 1:13:36.240 --> 1:13:39.960 Yeah, I mean over there. Majority of times, obviously, I'll 1:13:40.000 --> 1:13:42.639 have a house and I'll have you know, pretty much 1:13:42.640 --> 1:13:44.320 every one of my teams stay in the house. And 1:13:44.880 --> 1:13:48.680 you know, you know, through the years, we usually have 1:13:48.760 --> 1:13:50.479 gone out to dinner and then we go to a 1:13:50.520 --> 1:13:52.880 pub and hang out for an hour, or we go 1:13:52.920 --> 1:13:54.800 to a pub before and have dinner and then go 1:13:54.800 --> 1:13:58.360 to dinner. Like we just we we get out of 1:13:58.520 --> 1:14:00.719 the house, and you know, it's not for me because 1:14:00.760 --> 1:14:03.040 I get my mind away from golf and just enjoying 1:14:03.120 --> 1:14:06.080 being over there and having a great time. And you know, 1:14:06.680 --> 1:14:09.200 you know, sometimes there's other golfers and caddies that we 1:14:09.280 --> 1:14:11.720 meet up with, and uh there's other times where we're 1:14:11.760 --> 1:14:13.280 just in there and the locals will come over and 1:14:13.600 --> 1:14:16.360 chat chat with us a little bit. And so it's 1:14:16.400 --> 1:14:20.599 it's a cool little aspect in the sense of that 1:14:21.960 --> 1:14:25.080 you know, it may be a little bit tougher over 1:14:25.080 --> 1:14:28.120 the last couple of years because of where we stay, 1:14:28.360 --> 1:14:30.960 and then there's so many you know, there's a good 1:14:30.960 --> 1:14:32.720 thing about I thinks there's so many fans that sort 1:14:32.720 --> 1:14:34.720 of stay in town and sort of get bombarded a 1:14:34.760 --> 1:14:39.680 little bit, and but it is a cool aspect when 1:14:39.680 --> 1:14:41.840 you can just go hang out of the pub and 1:14:42.040 --> 1:14:44.960 just sit there, you know, have it pying to two. 1:14:45.439 --> 1:14:48.680 You know, talk with your buddies. You know. You know, 1:14:48.720 --> 1:14:50.639 if there's some locals in there that have been there 1:14:50.680 --> 1:14:52.800 for years and decades, you know, they tell they tell 1:14:52.840 --> 1:14:54.800 you stories, which some of their stories are so great 1:14:54.800 --> 1:14:55.080 to hear. 1:14:55.240 --> 1:15:00.559 So yeah, yeah, I I can totally understand and how 1:15:00.680 --> 1:15:03.080 it could be overwhelming if it's an area that like 1:15:03.120 --> 1:15:05.559 a lot of fans are staying, and it's where sometimes 1:15:05.680 --> 1:15:08.519 even the remote ones where there's very limited lodging, it 1:15:08.640 --> 1:15:11.160 ends up better because everybody like shuttles in and out 1:15:11.280 --> 1:15:16.320 and they aren't around after after after rounds. You know, 1:15:17.120 --> 1:15:22.120 you brought up your team. I think like there's there's 1:15:22.120 --> 1:15:25.680 been some news lately, a more high pro I feel like, 1:15:25.880 --> 1:15:28.640 you know, we go in waves of high profile players 1:15:28.800 --> 1:15:31.120 making changes to their team, and it feels like this 1:15:31.200 --> 1:15:36.400 year is a is a high turnover team team year. 1:15:36.760 --> 1:15:43.639 Just in general, coach changes caddy changes is continuity one 1:15:43.640 --> 1:15:47.160 of the most underrated aspects in in pro golf. 1:15:47.400 --> 1:15:52.280 To you, yeah, I believe so, and listen, I've made 1:15:52.600 --> 1:15:56.479 I've made my fair share of caddy changes pretty much 1:15:56.520 --> 1:15:59.040 every the coach I've had. The coaches have all been 1:15:59.080 --> 1:16:01.160 there and stayed there, but the caddies have come and 1:16:01.200 --> 1:16:03.920 gone a little bit and and and more or less, 1:16:03.960 --> 1:16:08.439 it's it's what I need a period of time, like 1:16:08.479 --> 1:16:10.920 what I needed and that aspect, and right then and 1:16:10.920 --> 1:16:13.599 there for a caddy, like that's who I would hire 1:16:13.640 --> 1:16:15.519 and that's what I got, and then you know, i'd 1:16:15.600 --> 1:16:17.439 go out of that and I would want something else 1:16:17.479 --> 1:16:22.880 from a caddy, you know. And so uh so I 1:16:22.920 --> 1:16:25.719 tell guys like it's okay to make changes in caddies, 1:16:25.760 --> 1:16:27.800 like because you got to find something that works for 1:16:27.880 --> 1:16:30.160 you and what you're looking for, and you know, and 1:16:30.200 --> 1:16:31.920 sometimes it takes a little while to go through a 1:16:31.920 --> 1:16:35.080 few changes with caddies. Now, with a coaches aspect, I'm 1:16:35.120 --> 1:16:38.160 always I think if you've had success with the coach 1:16:38.200 --> 1:16:41.160 for a while, and you know, let's say you go 1:16:41.240 --> 1:16:43.000 through a little rut like it's you see a lot 1:16:43.040 --> 1:16:45.760 of guys change caddies, I mean coaches, Like it's it's 1:16:45.800 --> 1:16:48.160 nothing like, oh, this guy's not good enough for me anymore. 1:16:48.520 --> 1:16:51.120 You know, I've played bad the last six eight months. 1:16:52.040 --> 1:16:54.760 It's not working anymore, which is weird because it worked 1:16:54.760 --> 1:16:56.960 for so long. And yeah, you're going to go through 1:16:57.000 --> 1:16:58.880 a little lull and you got to you know, this 1:16:58.920 --> 1:17:02.120 is where communication with your coach comes in and discuss 1:17:02.240 --> 1:17:04.439 you know, your goals and what you want, and you 1:17:04.560 --> 1:17:07.400 also you have to be open to hearing criticism from 1:17:07.439 --> 1:17:09.200 your coach because you may have changed and how you 1:17:09.320 --> 1:17:12.000 being and how you know, he may be trying to 1:17:12.000 --> 1:17:13.880 coach you the same, but you're not listening the same. 1:17:13.880 --> 1:17:16.360 You're not soaking it all in and you're not listening 1:17:16.360 --> 1:17:19.160 to what he's trying to tell you. You know, I 1:17:19.240 --> 1:17:22.639 had so you know see that a lot. And you see 1:17:22.640 --> 1:17:25.720 when that happens, guys' games don't ultimately get better. You know, 1:17:25.760 --> 1:17:27.800 majority of time, I think if you did the statistics, 1:17:28.120 --> 1:17:31.040 guys that have had coaches for a while and they've 1:17:31.040 --> 1:17:33.240 had success and then they go through a little you know, 1:17:33.760 --> 1:17:36.200 low where it's not as good. You know, they may 1:17:36.280 --> 1:17:39.400 have coach change. Majority of time, you know, it doesn't 1:17:39.400 --> 1:17:41.200 work out. I'm going to say better than seventy five 1:17:41.200 --> 1:17:43.120 percent of the time it doesn't work out. I mean, 1:17:43.160 --> 1:17:45.719 I could have easily made a coaching change in twenty 1:17:45.760 --> 1:17:48.080 three when when I was playing bad, and could have 1:17:48.120 --> 1:17:51.280 told Todd Anderson, Hey, Todd, you know we've had at 1:17:51.280 --> 1:17:53.719 that point, we've been sixteen years together. We've had sixteen 1:17:53.760 --> 1:17:56.720 great years together. I just I think, you know, it's 1:17:56.760 --> 1:17:58.599 time for me to go in a different direction. I'm 1:17:58.640 --> 1:18:01.720 just not sure if this is working. Are And I 1:18:01.800 --> 1:18:04.559 never had that thought. You know, we Todd and I 1:18:04.680 --> 1:18:09.320 tides on my best friends. We've had we had conversations 1:18:09.360 --> 1:18:11.200 and I told him what I you know, what I 1:18:11.240 --> 1:18:13.479 was struggling with. You know what I was, you know, 1:18:14.520 --> 1:18:17.080 was expecting. You know, he told me, you know some 1:18:17.160 --> 1:18:19.439 things about me, and so it was a it was 1:18:19.479 --> 1:18:22.360 a great communication and open line that we've always had. 1:18:22.760 --> 1:18:25.360 And and and at the same time, why would I 1:18:25.360 --> 1:18:27.839 want to change when this guy for the last sixteen 1:18:27.920 --> 1:18:29.840 years has got me to a high level where we've 1:18:29.880 --> 1:18:32.920 won at that point, you know, seven times on the 1:18:32.920 --> 1:18:35.240 PGA Tour, and we've won on the d PEOPLE Tour 1:18:35.520 --> 1:18:37.719 and you know, we've made a Presidence Cup team together, 1:18:37.720 --> 1:18:39.320 Like I've had a ton of success with him, Like 1:18:39.760 --> 1:18:41.519 it's going to be pretty hard to find someone else 1:18:41.560 --> 1:18:46.040 that's going to duplicate that. But the same time, what 1:18:46.160 --> 1:18:48.080 I also see with players is that they go to 1:18:48.160 --> 1:18:51.400 coaches and change coaches without understanding the way that coach teach, 1:18:51.760 --> 1:18:54.320 and they don't understand the way their body works and 1:18:54.320 --> 1:18:57.040 and the way that coach teach and what he does 1:18:57.520 --> 1:19:01.760 may not work with how your body, you know, ultimately functions. 1:19:02.720 --> 1:19:04.479 You know, there's some teachers out there that sort of 1:19:04.600 --> 1:19:06.439 work with what you have, and there's other teachers that 1:19:06.439 --> 1:19:09.479 are really stuck into their mole of Hey, we need 1:19:09.520 --> 1:19:10.920 to do this, this is how I think the swing 1:19:10.920 --> 1:19:13.240 should be, and your body possibly can't do that. 1:19:14.520 --> 1:19:17.920 Yeah, the coach thing is is an interesting I do. 1:19:18.160 --> 1:19:22.760 I think continuity is just like it's like anything like 1:19:23.080 --> 1:19:26.679 you get in any sort of long term relationship. You 1:19:26.720 --> 1:19:29.599 get to the point where you just like understand somebody 1:19:29.640 --> 1:19:32.840 at a deeper level and there's like even it's just 1:19:32.880 --> 1:19:36.920 like things you can communicate even without saying anything, right. 1:19:37.040 --> 1:19:41.600 It's the idea. It's also having the memory bank of 1:19:41.680 --> 1:19:45.040 being able to recall back five years before when maybe 1:19:45.040 --> 1:19:50.200 something similar was happening and it looked looks okay, but like, hey, 1:19:50.479 --> 1:19:53.479 you remember we did this with this hip and you 1:19:53.479 --> 1:19:56.479 know this, it's like that's I think the thing that 1:19:56.520 --> 1:19:59.559 you miss when you when you're constantly hopping around, is 1:19:59.560 --> 1:20:03.040 you miss that recall bank, that idea of like being 1:20:03.040 --> 1:20:05.720 able to go back and like look at like this, 1:20:05.920 --> 1:20:09.599 and so I you know, I think like the caddy 1:20:09.680 --> 1:20:13.240 things an interesting element to it, where like it can 1:20:13.280 --> 1:20:16.120 also sour on the opposite end, I think everybody always 1:20:16.120 --> 1:20:20.000 thinks about like the player, you know, getting like sometimes 1:20:20.040 --> 1:20:24.599 like the caddy could get tired of hearing the message 1:20:24.600 --> 1:20:26.960 from the player back right, because like a caddy's in 1:20:27.040 --> 1:20:30.120 a tough position where like they're you know, they're dependent 1:20:30.160 --> 1:20:32.000 on the player hitting the shot, you. 1:20:31.960 --> 1:20:34.640 Know, And I won't I won't lie. I had a 1:20:34.680 --> 1:20:37.760 caddy fire me. I got fired by a caddy Like 1:20:38.320 --> 1:20:40.439 it was okay. And he's a great friend of mine, 1:20:41.760 --> 1:20:44.760 and we've had conversations since then. But he's a great 1:20:44.760 --> 1:20:47.320 friend of mine and we still are. And you know, 1:20:47.479 --> 1:20:50.840 I understand at the moment in time, you know, you know, 1:20:50.920 --> 1:20:53.479 what was going on and decision he made, you know, 1:20:53.520 --> 1:20:56.360 I didn't. You know, obviously it sucked because I thought 1:20:56.479 --> 1:20:57.680 this is going to be a guy who's gonna be 1:20:57.680 --> 1:20:59.960 with for a while. But you know, ultimately it didn't 1:21:00.040 --> 1:21:03.000 work out, and it's fine, you know. It's it's like 1:21:03.080 --> 1:21:05.400 I said that that aspect is so tough because you're 1:21:05.439 --> 1:21:08.280 with that person so much and you see him so much, 1:21:08.880 --> 1:21:12.880 and you know, but I think, you know, you're talking 1:21:12.880 --> 1:21:15.640 about continuity. You know, my teacher Todd talks about this like, 1:21:15.680 --> 1:21:17.960 look at the best players in the world. Always been 1:21:18.000 --> 1:21:19.960 with his coach since she's been a kid. You know. 1:21:20.040 --> 1:21:22.360 Scotty has been with his coach since she was a kid. Jordan' 1:21:22.360 --> 1:21:24.000 speeth has been with his coach since she was a kid. 1:21:24.240 --> 1:21:28.040 Justin Thomas has been with his dad forever. I mean, 1:21:28.040 --> 1:21:29.519 I'm trying to get who else is in the top 1:21:29.560 --> 1:21:31.360 of the world. Lud Big has been with his coach, 1:21:32.160 --> 1:21:37.400 John Rahm Phillips. Yeah, you know, for since he was 1:21:37.439 --> 1:21:40.920 in college, you know. And so there there is that, 1:21:41.040 --> 1:21:43.200 like you said, you know, there is that memory bank 1:21:43.240 --> 1:21:46.000 of going back to things and trusting, and then then 1:21:46.120 --> 1:21:49.120 there's just that unspoken stuff that he understands you without 1:21:49.120 --> 1:21:51.639 having without you having to say anything. And and Todd 1:21:51.680 --> 1:21:53.720 knows it with me, like when I get frustrated, you know, 1:21:53.720 --> 1:21:56.400 when we're working and and there's times when I'm frustrated 1:21:56.400 --> 1:21:58.000 and he's trying to tell me something and I'm just 1:21:58.040 --> 1:22:01.280 not listening, like he just sort of he'll just be quiet, 1:22:01.840 --> 1:22:04.600 and he knows within ten to twenty minutes, you know, 1:22:04.840 --> 1:22:06.479 I'm going to get out of my little get my 1:22:06.520 --> 1:22:09.280 panties out of a wad, and I'm going to realize, Okay, 1:22:09.479 --> 1:22:11.600 what was that that you're telling me to? Okay, I 1:22:12.040 --> 1:22:14.280 get that. You know that works. Yeah, you know, I'll 1:22:14.320 --> 1:22:16.160 come back to him because I know what he's saying 1:22:16.760 --> 1:22:19.400 at that moment in time is correct. But there is 1:22:19.479 --> 1:22:21.200 just a wall right there where I just don't want 1:22:21.240 --> 1:22:23.200 to hear it. I don't want to. I'm frustrated. I 1:22:23.240 --> 1:22:25.479 just want to, you know, hit balls as hard as 1:22:25.479 --> 1:22:28.599 I can and be frustrated and get all the frustration out, 1:22:28.680 --> 1:22:32.599 and then when that's all gone and insane Billy comes back, 1:22:32.920 --> 1:22:35.200 then we can have then he can start teaching me again. 1:22:36.040 --> 1:22:38.320 That's you know, I think, like what you hit on, 1:22:38.479 --> 1:22:42.479 I continew like something I find interesting about the game 1:22:42.560 --> 1:22:45.400 right now is I feel like there's like a tier 1:22:45.439 --> 1:22:48.519 of players that have elevated up. And if you look 1:22:48.560 --> 1:22:52.360 at at at that tier of players, there's a simplicity 1:22:53.680 --> 1:22:57.240 almost like even Bryson, Like Bryson doesn't have a coach 1:22:57.280 --> 1:23:00.320 out there, you know, uh with him, like either, Like 1:23:00.520 --> 1:23:04.120 there is a simplicity to the approach to the game. 1:23:04.360 --> 1:23:06.840 And if you look at that, it's it's for the 1:23:06.840 --> 1:23:11.559 most part continuity, continuity and belief and what they're working on, 1:23:12.120 --> 1:23:14.960 and it's not you know, like Bryson did the speed thing, 1:23:15.000 --> 1:23:17.679 but he's been on the pursuit of like a lot 1:23:17.720 --> 1:23:20.519 of the principle, the core principles have stayed the same 1:23:20.720 --> 1:23:23.280 about how he swings the club, how he approaches the game, 1:23:23.720 --> 1:23:28.280 but like there is a simplicity, and that simplicity, simplicity 1:23:28.320 --> 1:23:32.840 in the golf swing comes generally, I believe, from continuity 1:23:33.040 --> 1:23:36.280 of the thesis of what you're trying to build with 1:23:36.360 --> 1:23:36.800 a coach. 1:23:38.560 --> 1:23:41.120 I agree, and I'll take it all on. One little 1:23:41.160 --> 1:23:43.920 piece to it. You know, Brett mccaby's my sports psychologist. 1:23:45.200 --> 1:23:47.040 You know, you talk about belief and what you're doing. 1:23:48.040 --> 1:23:50.400 You know, one little piece of odd onto is ownership, 1:23:50.439 --> 1:23:53.479 Like you own what you're doing. Like I may believe 1:23:53.560 --> 1:23:55.640 what TA is telling me. And I may believe what 1:23:55.680 --> 1:23:58.800 I'm doing is correct, but until I fully own it 1:23:58.840 --> 1:24:00.800 where I put it in my own words and my 1:24:00.920 --> 1:24:05.080 own fields, you know that really work. That is when 1:24:05.160 --> 1:24:07.880 I think it fully comes together because you know, Todd 1:24:07.920 --> 1:24:10.759 may tell me something and what hit the way he's 1:24:10.880 --> 1:24:12.920 you know, telling me to feel it or give me 1:24:13.000 --> 1:24:16.880 some feels or something like that, you know it's correct. 1:24:16.920 --> 1:24:18.880 I've got to figure out my way of sort of 1:24:18.920 --> 1:24:21.599 putting that little puzzle together, Like, am I gonna there's 1:24:21.600 --> 1:24:24.479 a feel he telled me? Tells me is that correct? 1:24:24.600 --> 1:24:26.120 Or is that the feel I like? Or is there 1:24:26.160 --> 1:24:29.400 another feel? And t A is very you know great 1:24:29.400 --> 1:24:32.320 at if I say, hey, I understand what you're telling me, 1:24:32.360 --> 1:24:35.120 and I understand this feel, but you know I'm feeling 1:24:35.160 --> 1:24:38.240 it this way. And I'm like, if I'm feeling this way, 1:24:38.320 --> 1:24:40.960 is I'm always still getting the results that you want 1:24:41.320 --> 1:24:43.120 with my feel? And He's like yeah, And so that 1:24:43.240 --> 1:24:46.120 I took ownership of that into my golf sling. 1:24:46.800 --> 1:24:49.920 Yeah, And as we saw at like the PGA where 1:24:49.960 --> 1:24:52.960 Scotty's kind of going haywire on the front nine, it 1:24:53.000 --> 1:24:56.479 came back to a feel, right, Yeah, that that idea 1:24:56.479 --> 1:24:59.800 of a feel and that's what flips the switch in 1:25:00.080 --> 1:25:02.559 allows him to save you know, I think a lot 1:25:02.600 --> 1:25:07.920 about like that round, and it's like where where Scott 1:25:08.000 --> 1:25:11.479 He's like impressive at this point in his career. Maybe 1:25:11.479 --> 1:25:15.040 most impressive is his lack of scar tissue. Right, Like 1:25:15.160 --> 1:25:19.840 he hasn't had had a major moment where it's like, 1:25:20.000 --> 1:25:20.959 oh man. 1:25:21.400 --> 1:25:24.400 He messed yeah yeah, like lost something, yeah he. 1:25:24.520 --> 1:25:27.400 And that was that to me felt like the the 1:25:27.600 --> 1:25:34.200 moment where like his career in in his his feel, 1:25:34.280 --> 1:25:37.320 the way he feels inside the ropes in a major 1:25:37.439 --> 1:25:42.320 championship could have changed, and because he turns it around 1:25:42.320 --> 1:25:46.240 there he comes out unscathed. And it's still like he's 1:25:46.280 --> 1:25:49.720 perfect with fifty four hole leads, Like he's like you know, 1:25:49.880 --> 1:25:52.439 like he's this guy that like nobody wants to see. 1:25:52.439 --> 1:25:55.559 And it was They're like I feel like with golf, 1:25:55.560 --> 1:25:58.519 you're looking for that little like edge with someone. It's like, well, 1:25:58.560 --> 1:26:01.000 like you know, if you're if you're chasing him, it's like, 1:26:01.000 --> 1:26:03.599 well he did fumble it at at at Quill Hollow, 1:26:03.680 --> 1:26:06.000 Like this is you know, I'm you're looking for hope 1:26:06.040 --> 1:26:09.720 sometimes And I think what's interesting with him now is 1:26:09.760 --> 1:26:11.800 like he heads this tournament that you know, of all 1:26:11.840 --> 1:26:13.640 the majors, he's had the least success. But yeah, I 1:26:13.640 --> 1:26:15.919 mean it's not like he's been bad. His game works everywhere, 1:26:16.240 --> 1:26:19.040 and he goes to this this major and it feels like, 1:26:19.600 --> 1:26:22.680 you know, he he almost won at oakbot Was despite 1:26:22.880 --> 1:26:26.879 like having a pretty bad week on the greens, and 1:26:27.120 --> 1:26:29.280 he comes to this major and it's like God, like, 1:26:29.720 --> 1:26:33.280 you know, it's just he's he's a quintessential perfect major 1:26:33.320 --> 1:26:37.360 player because of how simple the the the swing and 1:26:37.439 --> 1:26:38.120 the approaches. 1:26:38.920 --> 1:26:41.519 Yeah, it's just it's a consistency in which he strikes 1:26:41.520 --> 1:26:45.120 the ball, consistency of his iron play, you know. I 1:26:45.160 --> 1:26:49.240 mean even when he's off, his disscontrol isn't that bad 1:26:49.320 --> 1:26:52.040 or or the dispersion isn't that bad. So it's very 1:26:52.120 --> 1:26:54.960 tight and he gets away with it and and yeah, 1:26:55.000 --> 1:26:58.360 I mean you said you know, as like you're like, man, 1:26:58.400 --> 1:26:59.920 where is my hope? Where am I going to get it? 1:27:00.800 --> 1:27:03.360 You know, if I played, if I was ever in 1:27:03.360 --> 1:27:05.799 a final group, I'm like, Okay, you know, if Scotty 1:27:05.800 --> 1:27:07.960 plays Scotty, it's gonna be tough, There's no doubt about it. 1:27:08.000 --> 1:27:11.040 But you know, Scotty's prone the missions from short putts. 1:27:11.640 --> 1:27:14.479 Probably Scotty's prone to you know, getting when he's in 1:27:14.479 --> 1:27:16.639 green side bunkers, hitting SHANKO two or hitting a bad 1:27:16.720 --> 1:27:20.200 greenside bunker shot, and so you know, and then you know, 1:27:20.400 --> 1:27:23.360 if you know, obviously he hasn't driven the ball as 1:27:23.400 --> 1:27:26.880 well as of late, you know, going back to the 1:27:26.920 --> 1:27:30.160 PGA Championship, and maybe before the PGA Championship, maybe the 1:27:30.160 --> 1:27:34.040 week or two before. So maybe if his if he 1:27:34.120 --> 1:27:37.280 has a little if he's driving it, you know, if 1:27:37.280 --> 1:27:38.760 he's been a little off of the driver, like I 1:27:38.800 --> 1:27:40.599 may be able to get a shot here or two away, 1:27:41.120 --> 1:27:44.040 you know, if he's a bad drive, depending on the situation. 1:27:44.160 --> 1:27:48.479 So you just, uh, it's one that I learned from 1:27:48.520 --> 1:27:51.200 Tiger is you just got to stay in it. You don't, 1:27:51.400 --> 1:27:53.920 you know, you don't have to do anything special like 1:27:53.960 --> 1:27:56.479 everyone he talked about, like everyone you know when they 1:27:56.520 --> 1:27:58.280 played him, that they had to do something special to 1:27:58.320 --> 1:28:00.960 beat him, and he didn't really anything special. Yes, there 1:28:00.960 --> 1:28:02.400 would be times you went out there and shot a 1:28:02.520 --> 1:28:04.479 sixty five or sixty seven in the final round, but 1:28:04.479 --> 1:28:07.040 you look at the final doout scoring average, it's nothing 1:28:07.120 --> 1:28:10.360 like you know, jaw dropping. But he'd let everyone else 1:28:10.439 --> 1:28:13.439 beat them. You know, he'd let everyone you know, beat 1:28:13.439 --> 1:28:15.760 themselves because he knew that they felt that they had 1:28:15.800 --> 1:28:19.760 to do something special. And so if you have that mentality, Okay, 1:28:19.800 --> 1:28:21.120 I'm just going to stay in it. You know. It's 1:28:21.120 --> 1:28:22.640 the same thing when I play with you know, with 1:28:22.720 --> 1:28:25.320 Roy McRoy. Roy's going to drive the ball. Great, Roy's 1:28:25.360 --> 1:28:27.040 going to do it. But if I stay in it 1:28:27.400 --> 1:28:30.160 and I don't make any mistakes and do anything stupid 1:28:30.240 --> 1:28:32.439 trying to you know, catch him. You know, if he 1:28:32.600 --> 1:28:35.200 makes us, if he stumbles up, then I have a 1:28:35.280 --> 1:28:38.519 chance of catching him or beating him. Now if he doesn't, hey, 1:28:38.960 --> 1:28:40.960 you know what, maybe I have to do something at 1:28:41.000 --> 1:28:42.800 the end the last four or five holes, whatever it 1:28:42.840 --> 1:28:44.600 may be, to do something try and get them. But 1:28:44.880 --> 1:28:46.679 you know, if I don't catch them, then it's typically 1:28:46.720 --> 1:28:48.800 cap It's the same thing with Scotty Scheffler. You know, 1:28:49.040 --> 1:28:51.760 it's just those those guys that you know, it's just 1:28:51.800 --> 1:28:55.880 sort of really special, you know, and and can be 1:28:56.120 --> 1:29:00.240 I guess people would say intimidating. You know, people try 1:29:00.280 --> 1:29:02.280 to do more than what they are able to do, 1:29:02.920 --> 1:29:05.679 above their ability, and as long as you can stay 1:29:06.439 --> 1:29:10.320 in your play, within yourself and play your game, you're 1:29:10.360 --> 1:29:12.679 gonna have a chance more likely come the end because 1:29:12.680 --> 1:29:17.280 that person may be realizing that a Scotti, Scheffler or 1:29:17.400 --> 1:29:20.280 voy mc hey man, he's not making any mistakes, you know, 1:29:20.400 --> 1:29:23.160 he's you know, yeah, he's not doingything special, but he's 1:29:23.200 --> 1:29:25.000 just hanging around and it's sort of like a little 1:29:25.360 --> 1:29:29.160 like a little you know what is an insect or whatever. 1:29:29.160 --> 1:29:31.000 You know, he's just always buzzing around you. You can't get 1:29:31.080 --> 1:29:32.840 rid of it. And then you know, they mess up 1:29:32.880 --> 1:29:34.559 and make a mistake and you take over. So it 1:29:34.560 --> 1:29:36.840 could be a flip side of that that people will 1:29:36.880 --> 1:29:38.559 think about. And that's the way I think about it. 1:29:38.720 --> 1:29:40.920 I just want to be that little insect, that little nag, 1:29:41.520 --> 1:29:43.760 you know, and in their in their in their game, 1:29:43.800 --> 1:29:47.360 that I'm always there that you know, if they don't 1:29:48.000 --> 1:29:50.519 continue to play you know, solid golf, I'm there to 1:29:50.520 --> 1:29:53.000 hopefully capitalize the you know. 1:29:53.080 --> 1:29:56.760 That's I think that's great advice for anybody. You know. 1:29:56.840 --> 1:30:01.599 The sport in general always is it's a constant asking 1:30:01.680 --> 1:30:04.799 you to try and do something that's maybe outside your means, 1:30:04.880 --> 1:30:09.240 like even to your level, to the highest level. Golf 1:30:09.320 --> 1:30:11.160 is always and I think maybe one of the things 1:30:11.160 --> 1:30:13.840 that's unique about links golf is like you get these 1:30:13.920 --> 1:30:17.200 like good lies that are out of position and like 1:30:17.840 --> 1:30:20.000 where you're looking at it, and it's like, well, I 1:30:20.040 --> 1:30:22.920 can hit this shot, I could do this, but maybe 1:30:22.960 --> 1:30:25.280 it's not the right time to try and do it. 1:30:25.360 --> 1:30:28.080 And that's what you're talking about, is staying within yourself, 1:30:28.400 --> 1:30:31.280 being like smart, not taking on you know, Like I 1:30:31.280 --> 1:30:34.519 think that's it's constantly playing against your ego golf and 1:30:34.520 --> 1:30:37.519 in at any level you're playing, is staying in it. 1:30:38.840 --> 1:30:43.240 With port Rush, I I guess like, actually before we 1:30:43.320 --> 1:30:46.040 get there, you know, I think like Rory obviously is 1:30:46.080 --> 1:30:49.519 a huge story this week with with it being in 1:30:49.560 --> 1:30:53.200 Northern Ireland. I think, like I believe if my memory 1:30:53.240 --> 1:30:57.559 is serving your right, like you at last year we're talking, 1:30:57.600 --> 1:30:59.719 you know, you started to have success in the majors, 1:30:59.800 --> 1:31:02.599 play well at Valhalla, you played well at the Open 1:31:02.680 --> 1:31:06.360 last year. But part of that was was the idea 1:31:06.400 --> 1:31:10.200 of like you wanting to play so well in majors 1:31:10.439 --> 1:31:12.960 and almost letting go of that. And I believe it 1:31:12.960 --> 1:31:15.200 was some of your work with Brett that was like 1:31:15.360 --> 1:31:20.280 this and obviously a huge storyline as Rory playing in 1:31:20.280 --> 1:31:23.000 front of the home crowd last time in twenty nineteen 1:31:23.479 --> 1:31:25.880 he had he got off to the disasters start. What 1:31:26.080 --> 1:31:28.000 could you talk through just like kind of what you're 1:31:28.280 --> 1:31:31.639 you guys went through with the majors and and how 1:31:31.720 --> 1:31:33.160 you go about letting go? 1:31:34.760 --> 1:31:38.799 Yeah, you know, for so long, you know, almost a decade, 1:31:38.840 --> 1:31:41.280 you know. It was one of those things where you know, 1:31:41.400 --> 1:31:43.280 all like, I wanted to win a major. I want 1:31:43.320 --> 1:31:44.760 to be called a major champion. I want to be 1:31:44.760 --> 1:31:48.200 called a multi you know, you know, major champion, multiple 1:31:48.240 --> 1:31:54.760 major champion. And I've always felt like my game had 1:31:54.800 --> 1:31:58.400 the ability to win any major. Yeah, you sort of 1:31:58.479 --> 1:32:01.519 learn and you grow and you get better with your game. 1:32:01.600 --> 1:32:04.120 That makes it, you know, even more viable in those majors. 1:32:04.880 --> 1:32:07.559 But at the same time, I have a perfectional side. 1:32:07.600 --> 1:32:09.360 I always felt like the win majors you had to 1:32:09.360 --> 1:32:12.639 be perfection, And obviously, deep down I know that's not true, 1:32:12.680 --> 1:32:15.680 but it was always tough those weeks to try not 1:32:15.760 --> 1:32:19.040 to be perfect. I would, you know, even if I 1:32:19.080 --> 1:32:22.000 started out Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday feeling great and not thinking perfect, 1:32:22.040 --> 1:32:24.800 Thursday morning would come up in perfection Cide would come 1:32:24.800 --> 1:32:29.200 out and that obviously derailed a lot of my you know, 1:32:29.280 --> 1:32:33.519 not having more success in a major. But I think 1:32:33.600 --> 1:32:37.320 starting to work with Brett in twenty eighteen. I think 1:32:37.320 --> 1:32:40.400 it was right around end of twenty COVID. The US 1:32:40.520 --> 1:32:43.840 Open at Wingfoot was the first one that I felt 1:32:43.960 --> 1:32:49.960 very comfortable with everything. I played really well for forty 1:32:49.960 --> 1:32:51.559 five holes. I think it was in the top ten 1:32:52.240 --> 1:32:54.840 with twenty seven holes left to go, and I just 1:32:54.840 --> 1:32:57.600 didn't play well. I didn't. It wasn't that, you know, 1:32:57.880 --> 1:33:00.679 I got ahead of myself. I just just didn't execute 1:33:00.680 --> 1:33:02.719 the shots Neally is good and didn't make the putts 1:33:03.680 --> 1:33:06.040 to stay in it. And so but I walked away 1:33:06.080 --> 1:33:07.800 even though I was disappointed because I don't think I 1:33:07.840 --> 1:33:09.719 finished that high that week. I think may have finished 1:33:09.720 --> 1:33:13.439 thirty or something. I was like the first twenty seven holes, 1:33:14.680 --> 1:33:16.880 not the first the first forty five holes I played 1:33:16.920 --> 1:33:19.519 really solid. I'm like, okay, hey, I know what I 1:33:19.560 --> 1:33:22.719 need to do now. And I always felt like going forward. 1:33:22.720 --> 1:33:26.600 I always the mindset was in the right spot. You know, 1:33:26.640 --> 1:33:29.759 for the last five years, there's just now executing shots 1:33:29.800 --> 1:33:32.400 and and timing. You know, listen, you've got to hit 1:33:32.400 --> 1:33:34.160 it well, you got to put it well. You know 1:33:34.200 --> 1:33:36.120 we all know that. But you know, making sure the 1:33:36.200 --> 1:33:38.439 games in a sharp enough spot to be able to 1:33:38.439 --> 1:33:43.200 do that. And then I think one last piece that 1:33:43.280 --> 1:33:47.760 I sort of told Brett it was last year coming 1:33:47.800 --> 1:33:51.639 off disappointment in twenty three, and obviously I played started 1:33:51.680 --> 1:33:54.200 play well early, play well early in twenty four and 1:33:54.200 --> 1:33:57.560 I won at Punta Khana, and I think it was 1:33:57.600 --> 1:34:00.640 at PGA. I just said to him, I was long lines, like, 1:34:00.800 --> 1:34:05.759 you know, I've always thought on myself, you know, for 1:34:05.920 --> 1:34:07.880 a long time that I that I was going to 1:34:07.920 --> 1:34:09.960 be a major champion, like I was good enough and 1:34:10.000 --> 1:34:12.200 I had the game, and you know, that was something 1:34:12.240 --> 1:34:16.160 I was going to accomplish, but not that this is 1:34:16.200 --> 1:34:19.240 sort of like I'm giving up. But I just said, 1:34:19.600 --> 1:34:21.640 I realized that there's a lot of people in the 1:34:21.680 --> 1:34:24.320 game of golf that have come before me, that have 1:34:24.439 --> 1:34:27.439 had unbelievable careers that are probably better players to me. 1:34:28.280 --> 1:34:30.960 Over their career, they would be you know, pro careers. 1:34:31.080 --> 1:34:32.720 They're going to be considered a better player than me 1:34:32.960 --> 1:34:38.280 that didn't win majors. And you know, if when my 1:34:38.320 --> 1:34:39.880 career is done, if I don't win a major, I'm 1:34:39.920 --> 1:34:42.000 going to be disappointed, but I will still be very 1:34:42.000 --> 1:34:44.519 satisfied with what I have and you know, I just said, 1:34:44.520 --> 1:34:46.200 you know, look at Steve Stricker, look at Lee west 1:34:46.200 --> 1:34:48.960 for look at Luke Donald. You know, even look at 1:34:48.960 --> 1:34:51.719 the guys who've only won one major, you know, Adam Scott, 1:34:51.960 --> 1:34:55.360 Justin Rose, Sergio Garcia. I mean, it is amazing to 1:34:55.400 --> 1:34:57.800 me how tough it is to win a Major. I mean, 1:34:57.840 --> 1:34:59.439 I've always known it is. But then when you look 1:34:59.439 --> 1:35:01.880 at guys that I would say are better players to me, 1:35:02.000 --> 1:35:04.599 have better careers in me, that have won a major, 1:35:04.880 --> 1:35:08.320 or I've only won one, You're like, gosh, you know, 1:35:09.040 --> 1:35:10.439 it's not the end of the world if I don't 1:35:10.439 --> 1:35:13.240 win a major. And so with that I realized I 1:35:13.240 --> 1:35:17.400 think that just allowed me to you know, I can't 1:35:17.400 --> 1:35:19.840 say be content because that's sort of like saying you're 1:35:19.840 --> 1:35:22.080 giving up. But it's not. It's just like I was 1:35:22.120 --> 1:35:24.040 content if I went out there and I played the 1:35:24.080 --> 1:35:26.880 best I could for the next you know, eight years 1:35:26.880 --> 1:35:29.360 and majors and I don't. If I'm not able to 1:35:29.400 --> 1:35:31.679 knock off one, that's fine. But I'm going to play 1:35:31.680 --> 1:35:35.120 these next eight years of majors going out there thinking 1:35:35.120 --> 1:35:38.320 I'm gonna win, believe it, I'm gonna win, and playing 1:35:38.320 --> 1:35:40.439 the game of playing the way I want a Major 1:35:40.520 --> 1:35:41.759 is the way I do and every other. 1:35:41.600 --> 1:35:47.720 Event it's like a like acceptance of that. You you know, 1:35:47.760 --> 1:35:50.280 in a way too, it's like you can play great 1:35:50.400 --> 1:35:53.559 and it cannot happen, like Xander kind of went nuts 1:35:53.880 --> 1:35:57.760 last year, and and it's not like, you know, you 1:35:57.760 --> 1:36:01.320 didn't lose the major, but you played great and that's 1:36:01.360 --> 1:36:03.840 all you could do at a certain extent, and like 1:36:03.920 --> 1:36:06.200 a lot of like I think that's what makes golf 1:36:06.240 --> 1:36:08.880 one of the most intoxicating games. Is like a lot 1:36:08.880 --> 1:36:11.800 of a lot of the result is out of your hands, 1:36:12.080 --> 1:36:14.360 you know, and it's what makes it baddening. 1:36:15.760 --> 1:36:16.040 It is. 1:36:16.120 --> 1:36:19.519 I mean, I you know, listen, I excuse me. After 1:36:19.520 --> 1:36:22.360 that final round, Like, yeah, I was. I was disappointed 1:36:22.400 --> 1:36:25.040 I didn't win, you know, to have the best chance 1:36:25.080 --> 1:36:28.400 in my career in nearly a decade, in over a decade, 1:36:28.400 --> 1:36:30.280 to have a chance to win a major and to 1:36:30.400 --> 1:36:33.280 come up short. You know, when I got and I 1:36:33.320 --> 1:36:35.880 and I played really well for the first seven holes. 1:36:35.920 --> 1:36:38.280 I was right there in position, and I just around 1:36:38.280 --> 1:36:40.479 the turn, I lost a couple of shots, and then 1:36:40.760 --> 1:36:42.640 you know, I gave myself some opportunities coming in. I 1:36:42.680 --> 1:36:45.000 just make the putts to stay with Xander until the 1:36:45.080 --> 1:36:48.080 end before it was too late. You know, I held 1:36:48.080 --> 1:36:49.640 my head up high because I didn't feel like I 1:36:49.640 --> 1:36:52.320 lost that major. I played that I played that final 1:36:52.360 --> 1:36:55.799 around exactly the way I wanted and the way I felt, 1:36:55.880 --> 1:36:58.240 and everything. I missed a short put of ay, I 1:36:58.320 --> 1:37:00.920 hit a bad iron shot tent. Other than that, I 1:37:01.000 --> 1:37:03.280 just didn't execute at the level that I needed to 1:37:03.280 --> 1:37:05.720 to win. And you had someone like Xander who went 1:37:05.720 --> 1:37:08.320 out there and executed at a high level on those 1:37:08.400 --> 1:37:10.920 last nine holes and played a beautiful round the golf, 1:37:11.080 --> 1:37:14.320 and he deserved to win, and and and so you know, 1:37:14.760 --> 1:37:18.080 I didn't sleep one hour or even one minute that night. 1:37:18.160 --> 1:37:19.760 I stayed awake all the way until I had to 1:37:19.800 --> 1:37:22.920 catch a flight the next morning because there was just 1:37:23.240 --> 1:37:26.880 so much adrenaline and emotion and going through everything. But 1:37:27.200 --> 1:37:29.639 you know, I walked away with my head held high, like, Hey, 1:37:30.560 --> 1:37:33.439 this this is hopefully just a stepping stone if I 1:37:33.479 --> 1:37:37.639 can put myself here. You know, x amount more times 1:37:37.800 --> 1:37:40.320 I think I'm gonna get it done because I've shown 1:37:40.400 --> 1:37:43.720 my career. Yeah I don't have multiple you know, you know, 1:37:43.840 --> 1:37:45.920 double digit wins on the PJ Tour, But when I've 1:37:45.920 --> 1:37:47.880 gotten in the mix on the PGA Tour or the 1:37:47.960 --> 1:37:50.680 dp World Tour. You know, I feel like I've got 1:37:50.720 --> 1:37:55.240 a decent percentage of closing out and winning tournaments. 1:37:55.680 --> 1:38:00.679 With with port Rush and in the Open being he's 1:38:00.760 --> 1:38:03.840 kind of talking, you just talked through like the weight 1:38:03.880 --> 1:38:06.920 of these tournaments. Is there is there an additional weight 1:38:07.040 --> 1:38:08.800 with the last major of the year, whether it was 1:38:08.800 --> 1:38:10.960 the PGA at the early part of your career or 1:38:11.000 --> 1:38:14.759 the Open. Is there an added element to the last 1:38:14.800 --> 1:38:15.479 major of the year. 1:38:17.280 --> 1:38:19.240 No. I mean, for me, I never felt like there 1:38:19.320 --> 1:38:21.040 was because I always felt like, hey, there's next year, 1:38:21.080 --> 1:38:23.800 there's another year. You know. I think maybe when you 1:38:23.840 --> 1:38:26.800 get towards the end of your career, you know, you 1:38:26.880 --> 1:38:29.640 may be thinking like, hey, there's not many majors after this, 1:38:29.840 --> 1:38:32.800 like there's you know, you know, there's a there's a 1:38:32.880 --> 1:38:36.920 there's a limit the times ticking and everything, and so No, 1:38:37.040 --> 1:38:39.559 I never felt that way. And you know, you mentioned 1:38:39.640 --> 1:38:42.920 Rory earlier and the pressure he's you know, he felt 1:38:42.960 --> 1:38:46.040 in twenty nineteen there, you know, he talked about it. 1:38:47.120 --> 1:38:50.160 I think I expect Rory to play well. I think, uh, 1:38:50.960 --> 1:38:54.559 you know, Rory is going to be energized, He's going 1:38:54.640 --> 1:38:59.000 to be amped up. I think obviously he's still going 1:38:59.040 --> 1:39:00.400 to have the pressure because I think he wants to 1:39:00.400 --> 1:39:02.559 do well. He wants to win at port Rush, There's 1:39:02.640 --> 1:39:04.720 no doubt about it. He's spoken very much of that. 1:39:04.800 --> 1:39:06.599 And then when you have your good friend Shane Shane 1:39:06.600 --> 1:39:08.679 Lowry who won in twenty nineteen, you want to join 1:39:08.720 --> 1:39:11.639 your your your friend and winning at port port Rush. 1:39:11.720 --> 1:39:16.360 So but I think what Rory's gone through the last 1:39:16.400 --> 1:39:19.280 couple of months is actually a good thing that will 1:39:19.320 --> 1:39:21.960 hopefully lead to possibly him playing really well at port 1:39:22.040 --> 1:39:23.360 Rush here this week. 1:39:25.040 --> 1:39:28.200 What do you remember from port Rush the golf course, 1:39:28.280 --> 1:39:30.720 from the golf course side, and what makes it kind 1:39:30.720 --> 1:39:33.360 of a unique test in the open Rod. 1:39:34.680 --> 1:39:36.439 And it you know, I was trying to think about 1:39:36.439 --> 1:39:39.040 this the other day. I can do a really good 1:39:39.080 --> 1:39:42.280 job remembering a lot of the holes. And there's just 1:39:42.320 --> 1:39:46.400 a great mixture of holes that you feel like you 1:39:46.439 --> 1:39:49.560 can take advantage of, and there's holes that you feel like, man, 1:39:49.720 --> 1:39:51.840 you know, I'm holding onto this this realpe as hard 1:39:51.880 --> 1:39:55.599 as I can. And you know, you think about one two, one, 1:39:55.680 --> 1:39:58.680 two three four or fairly one two three, one, one 1:39:58.680 --> 1:40:01.360 through five, it is very fairly benign, you know, t 1:40:01.560 --> 1:40:04.719 shot wise, distance wise. I think they may have added 1:40:04.760 --> 1:40:07.320 some bunkers. I saw a specialize they've had some bunkers 1:40:07.320 --> 1:40:10.680 on some of those holes. And then right around the 1:40:10.720 --> 1:40:13.120 turn it gets really there's some challenging holes there. I 1:40:13.120 --> 1:40:17.720 would say, so that's five after the part five, maybe 1:40:17.760 --> 1:40:21.920 it's number seven, eight nine. Right around there, I. 1:40:21.840 --> 1:40:24.519 Remember you kind of get in the middle of the property. Yeah, 1:40:24.560 --> 1:40:27.400 and a lot of the greens set up and they. 1:40:27.479 --> 1:40:30.160 Get in and getting in some little dunes area, and 1:40:30.240 --> 1:40:33.000 I remember the fairways being a little bit tighter, and 1:40:33.040 --> 1:40:35.080 when you get off the fairway, like there's so many 1:40:35.160 --> 1:40:38.320 little hollows there that you can get some really bad 1:40:38.360 --> 1:40:42.920 lies if I remember correctly. It's just a great golf course. 1:40:42.920 --> 1:40:46.599 It really is. And I remember what's is it sixteen 1:40:46.640 --> 1:40:49.880 or seventeen to long part of three sixteen? Oh man, 1:40:49.920 --> 1:40:51.960 that was a beast. That was a beast with the 1:40:51.960 --> 1:40:53.880 way the wind blew. And I think it was blown 1:40:53.920 --> 1:40:56.040 in from the right, you know, hard off the right, 1:40:56.080 --> 1:40:58.080 which you don't want to miss it, right, But then 1:40:58.400 --> 1:41:00.880 you know everyone was, you know, looking it because of 1:41:00.920 --> 1:41:03.120 the wind, was you know, into the crowds left. I 1:41:03.160 --> 1:41:06.080 think I went, I yelled for immediately after my two 1:41:06.120 --> 1:41:08.360 T shots. I mean, I'm trying to cut it in it. 1:41:08.520 --> 1:41:10.680 You know, you don't cut it because you're trying not 1:41:10.720 --> 1:41:12.320 to wipe cut it because if you come up short, 1:41:12.360 --> 1:41:15.320 you're way like sixty people below the green and no 1:41:15.439 --> 1:41:18.960 man's land. And so it's a beautiful golf course. And 1:41:19.080 --> 1:41:22.640 I don't know that truly. I think when the technology 1:41:22.680 --> 1:41:24.759 and the drones and everything now, I think will truly 1:41:24.840 --> 1:41:29.240 come to see how great the golf course is. But 1:41:29.320 --> 1:41:33.680 I think it's just a great combination of of you know, 1:41:33.920 --> 1:41:38.120 challenging every aspect of the game and the way you 1:41:38.160 --> 1:41:41.200 know in every shot, and then you think about, you know, 1:41:41.439 --> 1:41:43.439 I'm sort of jumping from the spot to spot, but 1:41:43.520 --> 1:41:45.000 just some way some of the T shots are like 1:41:45.080 --> 1:41:49.160 number five obviously is a fair way of slants like this, 1:41:49.240 --> 1:41:51.080 but the T shots here and the greens over here, 1:41:51.120 --> 1:41:52.720 and it's sort of when you set up to the 1:41:52.760 --> 1:41:55.360 T shots sometimes you feel like you're aiming too far right. 1:41:55.920 --> 1:41:57.840 You know, on that T shot you wind up pulling it. 1:41:57.840 --> 1:42:00.160 It's a part four that you can drive and and 1:42:00.200 --> 1:42:04.000 so yeah, it's just it's a really great, great golf course. 1:42:04.040 --> 1:42:06.320 I enjoyed, and I was disappointed that only played two 1:42:06.400 --> 1:42:09.519 rounds there in nineteen, and I'm really in disappointed not 1:42:09.560 --> 1:42:11.040 to be there this year because I was really looking 1:42:11.080 --> 1:42:14.880 forward to getting back there because I did enjoy the 1:42:14.880 --> 1:42:17.679 golf course, and I think what Rory's missioned and talked 1:42:17.720 --> 1:42:19.360 about and a lot of guys have, when you enjoy 1:42:19.439 --> 1:42:23.080 the golf course and you enjoyed the challenge of it, 1:42:23.080 --> 1:42:27.759 it lends to, you know, a chance of playing better golf. 1:42:29.000 --> 1:42:33.879 Yeah. Yeah, when you feel activated, right, it's like your 1:42:34.320 --> 1:42:37.479 brain's really working. I think something that you illumined to 1:42:38.520 --> 1:42:41.479 that I hadn't really thought of is there's a lot 1:42:41.520 --> 1:42:44.600 of T shots when you talked about five, and I 1:42:44.640 --> 1:42:48.839 started to think about other T shots where the fairway 1:42:49.000 --> 1:42:53.799 kind of just you know, five is in a drastic example, 1:42:53.880 --> 1:42:56.160 but they just kind of like move a little bit 1:42:56.600 --> 1:43:00.640 off the center where you're hitting a cross it on 1:43:00.720 --> 1:43:03.120 an angle, and then you have like the great land 1:43:03.160 --> 1:43:06.800 movement that makes so many of those T shots very uncomfortable. 1:43:06.920 --> 1:43:11.120 Especially I feel like in that middle section of the round. 1:43:11.880 --> 1:43:13.760 It's a lot like a Pete Die golf course and 1:43:13.800 --> 1:43:16.160 the way he does his little tea boxes everything. But 1:43:16.200 --> 1:43:18.639 then you add in, you know, a fifteen to twenty 1:43:18.720 --> 1:43:21.519 twenty five mile paror wind and everything you're like, oh, 1:43:21.600 --> 1:43:23.400 that makes even more of a challenge in the way 1:43:23.400 --> 1:43:25.639 the tea box sits and the way you feel and everything. 1:43:25.680 --> 1:43:28.280 I think there's a hole on the backside that they 1:43:28.320 --> 1:43:31.960 convert from a par five to a par four. So 1:43:32.000 --> 1:43:36.519 that's nine, maybe twelve or thirteen somewhere around there, I think, 1:43:37.920 --> 1:43:40.559 And that's that's just a tough t shot as well. 1:43:41.120 --> 1:43:42.559 And the way the wind blows, because I think it 1:43:42.600 --> 1:43:45.479 was blowing, you know, in off the right if I 1:43:45.520 --> 1:43:47.040 remember correctly when we played there. 1:43:47.760 --> 1:43:50.320 You know, you talked about sixteen. I think what's unique 1:43:50.320 --> 1:43:53.120 about sixteen is like it's very obvious, like where you 1:43:53.160 --> 1:43:56.720 don't want to be right, but like one of the 1:43:56.800 --> 1:43:59.640 dynamics of it over the course of playing you know, 1:43:59.800 --> 1:44:02.479 four four rounds at this golf course for players that 1:44:02.560 --> 1:44:05.360 are playing late on the you know, on the weekend, 1:44:06.080 --> 1:44:09.160 is like you're going to hit the ball left there 1:44:09.680 --> 1:44:13.360 at some point, and I think like it's like one 1:44:13.400 --> 1:44:15.720 of those classic like you get over there and you're like, well, 1:44:15.760 --> 1:44:18.439 this is not I don't want to be here at all, 1:44:19.120 --> 1:44:22.840 like because it's like gnarly. It's like rossa you could 1:44:22.880 --> 1:44:24.840 get like you can be like you could be like, well, 1:44:24.840 --> 1:44:27.960 I'd almost rather be sixty yards or sixty feet below 1:44:28.000 --> 1:44:30.200 the green at this point than where I am right now, 1:44:30.240 --> 1:44:32.240 because I'm staring at it and I might hit it 1:44:32.280 --> 1:44:35.679 down there. And what I think is like so unique 1:44:35.760 --> 1:44:38.200 is like you start with like that, You're like, I'm 1:44:38.200 --> 1:44:40.400 just going to hit it over here. This is my target, 1:44:40.479 --> 1:44:42.479 and so much of golf at this point has become 1:44:42.560 --> 1:44:45.120 like you know, it's like the target and your dispersion 1:44:45.479 --> 1:44:49.200 and like whether it's like some like I, over the 1:44:49.240 --> 1:44:53.040 course of four rounds, your target might start to creep 1:44:53.160 --> 1:44:56.160 a little bit right because you know how bad it 1:44:56.280 --> 1:44:59.479 is there and whether it's like I think, and I 1:44:59.479 --> 1:45:01.800 don't know if this is if you feel this is 1:45:01.880 --> 1:45:06.280 like there's sometimes like your subliminal like subconscious mind will 1:45:06.360 --> 1:45:09.080 take over even if a shot, like if a SHOT's 1:45:09.160 --> 1:45:11.439 like semi blind and there is a lot of semi 1:45:11.479 --> 1:45:14.120 blindness that this golf course and a lot of links courses. 1:45:14.400 --> 1:45:16.479 Even if you know it's it's better to be right, 1:45:17.040 --> 1:45:20.360 but you can't see it. Sometimes that subconscious mind can 1:45:20.400 --> 1:45:23.679 take over and you still miss it left because like okay, 1:45:23.760 --> 1:45:27.400 like I can't like I can't see that, and I'm 1:45:27.439 --> 1:45:30.720 afraid of that. Like, is there an aspect of that 1:45:30.800 --> 1:45:34.320 happening at great golf courses where your subconscious can take over? 1:45:35.280 --> 1:45:38.600 No, you exactly right. You know that's where like you know, 1:45:38.720 --> 1:45:41.400 sometimes in practice rounds, you know, if the wind's going 1:45:41.479 --> 1:45:43.840 to become in a certain way, like that wind's come 1:45:43.960 --> 1:45:46.479 coming in off the right, you almost really you know, 1:45:46.800 --> 1:45:48.120 you want to hit one of those shots where you 1:45:48.120 --> 1:45:49.800 feel like you hit it good, you start it right, 1:45:49.840 --> 1:45:51.800 and the wind pushes it back to where you want. 1:45:52.080 --> 1:45:54.439 Or let's say you start it right and and you 1:45:54.520 --> 1:45:55.920 hit it good, the windows at push it, but you 1:45:55.960 --> 1:45:58.200 know it carries and it's it carries to the front 1:45:58.240 --> 1:46:00.080 right of the green, or it carries that you know, 1:46:00.400 --> 1:46:03.759 the depression there. That's you know you got to carry, 1:46:05.120 --> 1:46:06.640 you know, flying it to the green. You know, you 1:46:06.680 --> 1:46:09.040 want to have that sort of comfort level over the 1:46:09.120 --> 1:46:11.280 shot that hey, if I start this a little bit right, 1:46:11.360 --> 1:46:13.160 I'm still gonna be okay, especially if I hit a 1:46:13.160 --> 1:46:17.920 solid you know. That's like last year at at Troon, 1:46:18.840 --> 1:46:21.960 you know number ten, number eleven, You know number ten, 1:46:21.960 --> 1:46:23.680 you got to aim at way left of what you 1:46:23.720 --> 1:46:25.720 think and you got to win pushing it left, I 1:46:25.720 --> 1:46:27.720 mean pushing it to the right. And I remember the 1:46:27.760 --> 1:46:29.680 practice on hitting like three with a driver, and I'm like, 1:46:29.680 --> 1:46:31.400 oh man, that's way too far left. And I get 1:46:31.400 --> 1:46:33.640 down there and it's in the fairway, and I was like, 1:46:33.920 --> 1:46:36.559 oh wow, okay, Like that gives you comfort that I 1:46:36.600 --> 1:46:38.800 can hit the shot over here where I think it's 1:46:38.880 --> 1:46:41.200 not going to be in a good spot, it winds 1:46:41.280 --> 1:46:43.519 up in the fairway, you know. Same thing on number eleven. 1:46:43.560 --> 1:46:47.000 I remember, you know, on Tuesday, went out early, and 1:46:47.040 --> 1:46:50.599 when I came to make the turn, the conditions got worse. 1:46:50.720 --> 1:46:53.120 It just got picked up, not rain, but win. But 1:46:53.160 --> 1:46:55.720 it was coming the direction that we actually played on 1:46:55.760 --> 1:46:57.640 the weekend, you know, in off the left, and I 1:46:57.640 --> 1:47:01.519 remember hitting a t shot and pulling it and if 1:47:01.560 --> 1:47:03.840 you pull it, there's course there that you can run through. 1:47:04.160 --> 1:47:05.760 And on the line I thought was gonna run through, 1:47:05.800 --> 1:47:08.200 I was okay. So I gave me, you know, sort 1:47:08.200 --> 1:47:10.040 of my parameters, like okay, I can hit it all 1:47:10.040 --> 1:47:11.720 the way this far left, I can all the way 1:47:11.760 --> 1:47:13.519 this far right, Like it gives you that comfort level. 1:47:14.000 --> 1:47:15.760 I know my parameter, and I know where I can 1:47:15.840 --> 1:47:17.880 you know what my far left line is and my 1:47:17.920 --> 1:47:21.040 far right line is it just gives you that comfort 1:47:21.120 --> 1:47:25.559 level over shots when you know in certain conditions or 1:47:25.600 --> 1:47:30.040 you know, you get nervous, you know at certain situations. 1:47:30.479 --> 1:47:33.599 I you know, one of the unique elements of of 1:47:33.600 --> 1:47:36.600 of some Blinks courses is that out and back. But 1:47:36.840 --> 1:47:39.599 you hit on like and you you might end up 1:47:39.600 --> 1:47:41.600 with a wind that you just hate. Like for me, 1:47:41.920 --> 1:47:45.000 I have faded the ball. I just cannot stand when 1:47:45.040 --> 1:47:47.200 I play a stretch of holes where it's off my 1:47:47.320 --> 1:47:50.040 left and it's just like I it just puts me 1:47:50.080 --> 1:47:53.280 in a blender. I can't. I can't. I hate it 1:47:53.439 --> 1:47:56.360 so much. And like you can some Links courses, some 1:47:56.360 --> 1:47:58.400 of the road of courses, you're gonna get hit with 1:47:58.439 --> 1:48:02.000 that wind over and over and over. Port Rush is 1:48:03.160 --> 1:48:05.960 a little bit more complex of a routing where you 1:48:06.120 --> 1:48:09.800 it's a it's a later you know, Golden Age golf 1:48:09.800 --> 1:48:13.280 course where the routing is like you you go in 1:48:13.320 --> 1:48:17.160 different directions, you're meandering around. What does that What is 1:48:17.200 --> 1:48:20.479 the uniqueness of that when you factor in the wind, 1:48:21.640 --> 1:48:24.360 you know what makes that tough versus like where you 1:48:24.400 --> 1:48:26.759 can just be in a bad wind for a stretch 1:48:26.800 --> 1:48:29.760 of holes and that can derail your round. Versus the 1:48:29.800 --> 1:48:32.400 you know, when when the course is just moving around 1:48:32.439 --> 1:48:33.160 a lot. 1:48:34.160 --> 1:48:36.760 You know, I think you know in certain aspects, you know, 1:48:36.800 --> 1:48:38.680 like you said, left right win. You know, if you 1:48:38.720 --> 1:48:40.559 know you got like nine holes of the left right win, 1:48:40.680 --> 1:48:42.240 and like the first hole you play, you hit a 1:48:42.280 --> 1:48:44.200 bad shot in the left right wing, Oh my god, 1:48:44.200 --> 1:48:46.439 I got four holes. I've got to hit the shot again. 1:48:46.960 --> 1:48:50.040 Like port Rush a little bit different because obviously there's, 1:48:50.080 --> 1:48:52.080 like I said, the first thing, four holes are sort 1:48:52.080 --> 1:48:54.840 of in the similar wind direction. You know, it may 1:48:55.040 --> 1:48:58.200 move a little bit, but but you get to some 1:48:58.240 --> 1:49:00.519 of the interior holes and you're like, oh man, the 1:49:00.560 --> 1:49:02.160 next couple holes, I've got to win off the right. 1:49:02.240 --> 1:49:04.680 So now it can sort of balance you out, and 1:49:05.880 --> 1:49:07.640 you know, you can sort of make corrections in the 1:49:07.680 --> 1:49:10.800 swing and try things a little bit to rectify when 1:49:10.840 --> 1:49:12.479 you get back into that left to right win or 1:49:12.520 --> 1:49:14.400 if you have an issue of the right left win. 1:49:15.920 --> 1:49:18.160 You know. So I think it's there's a balance in 1:49:18.200 --> 1:49:19.920 sence the way the golf swing is. You know, as 1:49:19.920 --> 1:49:22.439 a golfer, like you can come off the golf course 1:49:22.479 --> 1:49:23.560 and I feel like, hey man, I got to go 1:49:23.640 --> 1:49:25.519 hit balls that I've just been hitting in twenty five 1:49:25.520 --> 1:49:27.559 mile pour left right wins and I need to you know, 1:49:27.960 --> 1:49:31.240 you know, get my swing sort of back to neutral 1:49:31.280 --> 1:49:36.160 again out there. When you have the win moving around it, 1:49:36.160 --> 1:49:38.360 it can keep your swinging a little more neutral state. 1:49:38.680 --> 1:49:41.880 But at the same time, the great thing about some 1:49:41.920 --> 1:49:43.920 of these links courses is if I played five or 1:49:43.960 --> 1:49:45.760 six holes the same direction, I get a really good 1:49:45.800 --> 1:49:48.960 beat on the win, where now when it's you're moving around, 1:49:49.240 --> 1:49:51.519 sometimes you're not getting a good beat. Like if I 1:49:51.560 --> 1:49:54.240 had it into the left in left to right on 1:49:54.280 --> 1:49:56.120 the first you know, two holes and next holes are 1:49:56.160 --> 1:49:59.320 down off the right or down off my left, like okay, 1:49:59.360 --> 1:50:01.400 like how much a wind going to help now? And 1:50:01.439 --> 1:50:03.960 then if it changes two holes later, like you're sort 1:50:04.000 --> 1:50:06.760 of trying to figure out, you know, the effect, how 1:50:06.840 --> 1:50:08.320 much effect it's going to have on the golf ball 1:50:08.320 --> 1:50:08.960 a little bit. 1:50:09.439 --> 1:50:12.080 I think, what's it? You know, Like I never like 1:50:12.240 --> 1:50:14.679 thought about, like I guess you know, it's like that, 1:50:15.080 --> 1:50:18.600 like the swing getting like off neutral right, and that 1:50:18.760 --> 1:50:21.960 is totally what happens in those like when you get 1:50:22.200 --> 1:50:24.880 kind of out of sorts with wind being just like 1:50:25.200 --> 1:50:28.240 hammering you, it's like, uh, you know, I was played 1:50:28.280 --> 1:50:29.920 horse with the neighbor the other day, and I knew 1:50:29.960 --> 1:50:32.280 he couldn't shoot left handed. I just went lefty all 1:50:32.760 --> 1:50:35.920 you know, Like, yeah, I learned how to shoot with 1:50:35.920 --> 1:50:39.320 both hands, Like I'm just left left. You just hammering 1:50:39.360 --> 1:50:41.320 him to death on his weakness. Like that's what a 1:50:41.360 --> 1:50:44.040 wind can do when it's moving around it. Almost like 1:50:44.960 --> 1:50:48.080 that's what you you were talking about early in the Red, 1:50:48.240 --> 1:50:51.360 Early in the pod is like the experience that like 1:50:51.600 --> 1:50:54.880 understanding where you can hit shots with with different things 1:50:54.960 --> 1:50:58.000 is when that move wind is constantly moving around it 1:50:58.040 --> 1:51:01.639 as the layers of complexity and like you know they 1:51:01.720 --> 1:51:04.479 you talk about if if you watch basketball, like somebody 1:51:04.560 --> 1:51:07.559 watches Demarge Rosen isolate and go to work in the 1:51:07.560 --> 1:51:10.559 mid range, they say he's in his bag. He's deep 1:51:10.560 --> 1:51:13.759 in his bag. That is being deep in a golfer's bag. 1:51:14.000 --> 1:51:17.719 Is that that like different that win constantly moving around 1:51:17.840 --> 1:51:20.000 and having to hit all these different shots? And I 1:51:20.000 --> 1:51:23.000 think what port rush does particularly well is too different 1:51:23.040 --> 1:51:26.559 green sites, some sitting up where everything's rejecting away, some 1:51:26.600 --> 1:51:28.800 sitting down where you can hit something that kind of 1:51:28.800 --> 1:51:32.160 scoots into it. That's what makes this golf course to me, 1:51:32.360 --> 1:51:36.160 Like at the top of the the open venues. Like, 1:51:36.400 --> 1:51:39.639 if you've played a ton of opens, what would where 1:51:39.680 --> 1:51:42.320 where would you put this in relation? Like what are 1:51:42.360 --> 1:51:45.240 your favorite ones that you know favorite open venues? 1:51:46.360 --> 1:51:51.880 Hmm, man, that's a good question. I'm not going to 1:51:51.960 --> 1:51:53.599 give you what my number one is because I don't 1:51:53.600 --> 1:51:57.400 even know what my number one is. Just give give 1:51:57.439 --> 1:52:01.439 me port rush. I think Royal trains are really good 1:52:01.439 --> 1:52:03.679 tests to go off. I like that, obviously I'm biased. 1:52:03.760 --> 1:52:07.080 I played well, but I missed a cut there the 1:52:07.120 --> 1:52:11.720 first when I played in sixteen, I was sixteen. I 1:52:11.720 --> 1:52:14.439 shot like three or four into the first day, and 1:52:14.479 --> 1:52:18.720 then I shot a bazillion the second day. I mean, 1:52:18.920 --> 1:52:22.040 Matt Fitzpatrick and I we made the turn, we got 1:52:22.080 --> 1:52:24.880 the number nine, and I'm telling you we played in 1:52:24.960 --> 1:52:27.080 some of the worst conditions, I mean, even worse than 1:52:27.120 --> 1:52:31.000 we played on Saturday. It was blowing even harder in sixteen. 1:52:31.040 --> 1:52:34.160 The last nine holes of our second round, I think 1:52:34.160 --> 1:52:36.120 we both shot like forty five or forty six on 1:52:36.160 --> 1:52:41.639 the inward nine. Yeah, and so I wasn't really happy 1:52:41.680 --> 1:52:43.880 going back there last year. And then I remember, you know, 1:52:43.960 --> 1:52:46.360 Monday playing I was like, man, you know this course 1:52:46.400 --> 1:52:48.200 is actually really good. I've just got to figure out 1:52:48.240 --> 1:52:50.719 this slot to you know, when this wind switches into 1:52:50.800 --> 1:52:53.200 us off the left, off the the inward nine, how 1:52:53.240 --> 1:52:54.840 to play it? And it was perfect that I played 1:52:54.920 --> 1:52:58.599 Tuesday morning and then switched and I got to play 1:52:58.600 --> 1:53:03.679 it on the second am my eighteen. But I thought 1:53:03.680 --> 1:53:08.400 it was a really good test. So port Russ Troon. 1:53:08.760 --> 1:53:12.759 I think Saint George's Royal Saint George's is an awesome course. 1:53:12.760 --> 1:53:14.200 I know it can be a little quirky with the 1:53:14.240 --> 1:53:16.160 fairways and so many mounting. 1:53:15.880 --> 1:53:19.640 Everything polarizing that one that one does some of some 1:53:19.720 --> 1:53:22.040 of the least favor Like I think if you played players, 1:53:22.040 --> 1:53:23.920 that might be the highest least favorite. 1:53:24.439 --> 1:53:26.680 Yeah, I know, and I understand why because you hit 1:53:26.720 --> 1:53:29.760 good golf chests don't get rewarded a lot. But I 1:53:29.800 --> 1:53:32.519 thought it was I thought it was a really good test. Uh, 1:53:32.760 --> 1:53:35.720 Murfield is really good to play it in thirteen my 1:53:35.840 --> 1:53:39.400 first open. So those are four? Could I find a 1:53:39.520 --> 1:53:42.400 number one that all love Saint Andrews. I love Saint 1:53:42.439 --> 1:53:45.360 Andrews and I haven't I love the town. I loved 1:53:45.400 --> 1:53:52.040 everything about it. I do believe, I mean the technology 1:53:52.040 --> 1:53:55.800 has sort of nullified it. The challenge is so many 1:53:55.840 --> 1:53:57.920 wedshots as so many holes you can drive with the 1:53:58.000 --> 1:54:01.559 driver now, so stuff you can take out a play, 1:54:03.160 --> 1:54:07.000 you know, And but when what the conditions get really bad, 1:54:07.160 --> 1:54:09.519 which I played in the Dunhill, it's one hell of 1:54:09.560 --> 1:54:14.040 a test, you know. I remember fourteen is a perfect example, 1:54:14.080 --> 1:54:15.720 the part five there. I was playing with it with 1:54:15.800 --> 1:54:19.640 Carroll there and who was I can't remember who my 1:54:19.680 --> 1:54:22.240 partner was. We were playing with it one year with 1:54:22.320 --> 1:54:25.840 him and the wind was it was rainy and the 1:54:25.880 --> 1:54:28.439 wind was blowing in and there was a bunker when 1:54:28.479 --> 1:54:30.320 you're walking off the tee from the back to you 1:54:30.360 --> 1:54:32.880 have to walk there one hundred and eighty yards to 1:54:32.920 --> 1:54:34.680 get to the fairway or two in yards, like, there's 1:54:34.720 --> 1:54:36.800 a bunker there offen, you know, once you get to 1:54:36.840 --> 1:54:38.960 the fairway, and I'm like, I remember playing it there 1:54:39.000 --> 1:54:40.920 in fifteen, Like, why the hell is this bunker? You're like, 1:54:40.960 --> 1:54:45.160 that makes no sense. And Carroll and I played Dunhill 1:54:45.640 --> 1:54:47.840 and we both hit t shots and we both ended 1:54:47.880 --> 1:54:49.720 up in that bunker in the tee and bars when 1:54:49.720 --> 1:54:51.920 we went two and twenty yards and there's a I 1:54:52.000 --> 1:54:54.960 understand why there was a bunker there now because of 1:54:55.120 --> 1:54:58.480 the wind direction. But at the same time, if you 1:54:59.280 --> 1:55:01.280 there's enough fair a hit, but you miss it a little, 1:55:01.320 --> 1:55:04.520 right your ob team back up from the from the 1:55:04.560 --> 1:55:08.040 from the t. So yeah, I you know, hopefully maybe 1:55:08.080 --> 1:55:10.480 with some changes and a few other things down the road, 1:55:10.520 --> 1:55:12.800 you know, the Saint Angels will show a little bit 1:55:12.800 --> 1:55:14.880 more of what what it is. But I think it's 1:55:14.920 --> 1:55:17.080 a great golf course and I do love it, do 1:55:17.200 --> 1:55:17.840 love it a lot. 1:55:19.520 --> 1:55:22.680 Last last question before we get you out of here. 1:55:23.360 --> 1:55:28.720 There's rumors of of potential opens in new countries, maybe 1:55:29.040 --> 1:55:31.600 you know, expanding. I mean, there's been a lot of 1:55:31.680 --> 1:55:35.160 rumors about Port Marnick, uh being being a potential future 1:55:35.200 --> 1:55:37.920 host in Ireland, but they're saying like beyond you know, 1:55:38.120 --> 1:55:43.280 the British and Ireland islands. Uh what what are your 1:55:43.280 --> 1:55:44.000 thoughts on that? 1:55:45.400 --> 1:55:47.800 The stupidest freaking thing I've ever heard. 1:55:48.760 --> 1:55:50.080 I will and. 1:55:50.040 --> 1:55:55.000 I'm you know, I'm happy if that goes viral because 1:55:55.120 --> 1:55:59.520 it's like it's like what I told Mike Davis after 1:55:59.600 --> 1:56:03.000 Chambers Bay. Obviously I had comments about Chambers Bay and 1:56:03.040 --> 1:56:05.760 I thought Chambers Bay the view the golf course that 1:56:05.920 --> 1:56:08.839 was really unique and really cool. You know, My aspect 1:56:08.960 --> 1:56:10.760 was the greens, and you know he called me all 1:56:10.800 --> 1:56:14.240 the Blue two days after the US Open to apologize 1:56:14.240 --> 1:56:15.920 for the condition of the Greens, and they messed up 1:56:15.920 --> 1:56:18.240 and they should have handled it better and not put 1:56:18.320 --> 1:56:21.200 us in a situation that we were all in. And 1:56:21.240 --> 1:56:24.240 then we had Aaron Hills a couple of years later, 1:56:24.840 --> 1:56:26.640 you know, and I just I went to mic after 1:56:26.640 --> 1:56:29.400 Aaron Hills. I said, listen, I thought, both those courses 1:56:29.440 --> 1:56:32.800 are really nice. You know, they're really cool. You know, 1:56:32.880 --> 1:56:35.320 I'm not going to criticize them because I think, you know, 1:56:36.520 --> 1:56:38.760 there's there's a room for them to be played. But 1:56:39.200 --> 1:56:42.040 as a US Open test, the US Open is about 1:56:42.800 --> 1:56:46.080 challenging every aspect of game, from your driveway to to 1:56:46.640 --> 1:56:49.080 iron play, the short game to putting the mental like, 1:56:49.960 --> 1:56:52.120 you know, let's get back to what the US Open 1:56:52.240 --> 1:56:53.880 is and like you have to drive the ball well 1:56:53.880 --> 1:56:56.560 to be able to play well. Like you know, you know, 1:56:56.760 --> 1:57:00.160 I like Pinehurst and I think, you know, I'm here 1:57:00.200 --> 1:57:02.880 with Pineers being in rotation because you know, I think 1:57:02.920 --> 1:57:04.600 it's a little fifty to fifty in some of those 1:57:04.640 --> 1:57:06.360 lies when you get off the fairry. But I still 1:57:06.360 --> 1:57:08.960 think there's a you do have a benefit for hitting 1:57:08.960 --> 1:57:11.440 the fairway more than if you get off get out 1:57:11.440 --> 1:57:13.040 of the fairway. But you know, when we went to 1:57:13.120 --> 1:57:15.160 Chambers Bay and went Darren Hills, we're playing these big 1:57:15.200 --> 1:57:19.600 wide fairways where really the the you know who, I 1:57:19.640 --> 1:57:21.760 consider myself a really good driver of the golf ball 1:57:21.800 --> 1:57:24.640 may not be long, but I was fairly accurate. You know. 1:57:24.720 --> 1:57:27.440 That was one advantage taken away from me. You're going 1:57:27.480 --> 1:57:30.000 to move in the US Open or the Open Championship 1:57:30.040 --> 1:57:34.960 away from link style courses, you know, I and if 1:57:35.000 --> 1:57:37.400 you play them on you know link style, you know, 1:57:37.560 --> 1:57:40.720 maybe link style courses in other countries, it's not the 1:57:40.760 --> 1:57:44.080 same as being played in the UK. Like I'm okay 1:57:44.160 --> 1:57:47.120 going to Ireland playing Portmarnarch. I think that's an awesome 1:57:47.160 --> 1:57:49.000 I love that golf course. I think it's great. I 1:57:49.040 --> 1:57:51.440 played it during the World Cup pract session, you know, 1:57:51.560 --> 1:57:53.320 But to take it outside of the UK, I just 1:57:53.320 --> 1:57:55.200 can't think of a course outside of the UK that 1:57:56.080 --> 1:58:00.240 you know, would would fit you know, the fee and 1:58:00.360 --> 1:58:05.200 everything that is the Open Championship. Like that's just it's 1:58:05.240 --> 1:58:07.520 as nine and I hope it doesn't happen. I hope 1:58:07.560 --> 1:58:10.200 it doesn't. I mean, I'm old school. I want to 1:58:10.200 --> 1:58:12.000 see it always be played in the UK. 1:58:12.520 --> 1:58:18.200 Yeah, like an idea they've proposed, like Australia, and it's like, well, 1:58:18.280 --> 1:58:21.400 wait are we like And I not that they've like 1:58:21.520 --> 1:58:23.080 a floated you know, it's like. 1:58:23.680 --> 1:58:25.920 That they have, but some other people have talked about it. 1:58:26.120 --> 1:58:28.920 So if you go, if you go there in the summer, 1:58:29.520 --> 1:58:32.360 our summer, it's their winner there, then all of a 1:58:32.360 --> 1:58:34.920 sudden you might you might have to go split teas, right, 1:58:35.000 --> 1:58:37.800 so you've lost like one charm of the Open. Everybody 1:58:37.800 --> 1:58:40.520 goes off one right, like the long days. If you 1:58:40.600 --> 1:58:44.040 go even even if you go like closer to the equator, 1:58:44.880 --> 1:58:47.160 you might lose that daylight that you need at the 1:58:47.200 --> 1:58:50.760 Open to go all off one tee like. And then 1:58:50.920 --> 1:58:54.879 if you go anywhere like anywhere, you're losing the elements 1:58:54.920 --> 1:58:57.440 of being on a small island in the middle of 1:58:57.480 --> 1:59:01.600 the ocean, right that present itself, right, there's the weather 1:59:02.120 --> 1:59:02.840 element of it. 1:59:04.000 --> 1:59:07.400 I'm for people trying new things and doing different things, 1:59:07.440 --> 1:59:09.920 but you know, I you know, in a certain instance, 1:59:10.400 --> 1:59:12.880 you've got to stay within your your framework and your 1:59:12.880 --> 1:59:16.200 parameters and what you you have sort of your little 1:59:16.320 --> 1:59:19.120 niche and what works and what's been successful and what 1:59:19.320 --> 1:59:23.840 that particular championship where that particular tournament is about, and 1:59:24.360 --> 1:59:26.400 you know, I think we should. You know, they've had 1:59:26.680 --> 1:59:29.480 going to Portmarnock in twenty nineteen was obviously a first 1:59:29.480 --> 1:59:31.880 step and I think that's great. And you know, we 1:59:31.920 --> 1:59:34.520 could maybe go down the Royal County down why don't 1:59:34.520 --> 1:59:37.000 we go somewhere in Ireland, Like you know, Ireland has 1:59:37.040 --> 1:59:39.680 so many great wings style courses. Like let's just stay 1:59:39.680 --> 1:59:42.000 within the in the in the British aisles there a 1:59:42.040 --> 1:59:45.240 little bit. Okay, let's not get going to other land 1:59:45.240 --> 1:59:47.120 masses because like I said, you lose a lot of 1:59:47.160 --> 1:59:50.720 the charm that is the Open Championship and the one 1:59:50.720 --> 1:59:54.400 thing you will lose which makes the Open so great, 1:59:54.480 --> 1:59:57.720 and it gets talked about a lot, but I don't 1:59:57.720 --> 2:00:00.440 think it's talked about enough. Is is a fan so 2:00:01.040 --> 2:00:03.480 unbelievable and their knowledge of the game of golf and 2:00:03.960 --> 2:00:06.360 you know, you know, clapping for a shot when it 2:00:06.440 --> 2:00:08.840 was hit the forty feet they like they know that 2:00:08.880 --> 2:00:10.360 was a good shot from where you hit it. Like 2:00:10.760 --> 2:00:12.680 they know what golf is, they know what a bad 2:00:12.680 --> 2:00:14.400 shot is, they know what a good golf shot is. 2:00:14.440 --> 2:00:16.120 And it's so cool to play in front of them 2:00:16.200 --> 2:00:19.800 and their knowledge, and you know, I enjoy I enjoy that, 2:00:19.920 --> 2:00:22.520 enjoy going over there, you know, multiple times a year 2:00:22.560 --> 2:00:26.640 to play tournaments, because they truly do make it enjoyable 2:00:26.640 --> 2:00:28.120 to play in front of fans like that. 2:00:29.320 --> 2:00:32.920 The Yeah, the the culture, just the golf culture. I 2:00:33.240 --> 2:00:35.360 you know, one of my favorite things every time I'm 2:00:35.400 --> 2:00:37.880 over there is when you're in a town and you 2:00:37.880 --> 2:00:41.120 see a kid walking with his bag on his shoulders 2:00:41.120 --> 2:00:43.800 to the golf course like from his house. Like it's 2:00:43.880 --> 2:00:46.640 just like I those things, like I can think of 2:00:46.720 --> 2:00:49.400 ten of the occasions in my head, like just etched 2:00:49.480 --> 2:00:51.880 into my memory of like and it's just like, God, 2:00:51.920 --> 2:00:54.160 that's so cool. Like I grew up riding a bike 2:00:54.200 --> 2:00:56.240 to a golf course, right, but it was a it 2:00:56.280 --> 2:00:57.880 was a it was a good bike ride. Like the 2:00:57.920 --> 2:01:00.360 idea of just walking from my house and town to 2:01:00.400 --> 2:01:03.800 a golf course that's just down the street is the 2:01:03.840 --> 2:01:06.800 beautiful thing. All right. I said that was the last question, 2:01:06.920 --> 2:01:09.320 but but you brought it up, I'd be remiss. You 2:01:09.400 --> 2:01:13.680 played one of the great Walker Cups, Royal County Down 2:01:14.480 --> 2:01:21.160 Walker Cup. Favorite story memory of playing. You know you're 2:01:22.080 --> 2:01:24.800 you're in your youth playing Royal County Down. You know 2:01:25.160 --> 2:01:28.640 your team had Ricky on it Dustin Johnson, Like you 2:01:28.800 --> 2:01:32.040 look at that, there's four major champions, tons of Bona 2:01:32.040 --> 2:01:35.800 Fide Tour pros, one of the great Walker Cup teams 2:01:35.840 --> 2:01:37.360 and like a very close match. 2:01:38.960 --> 2:01:41.080 Yeah, listen, it was. It was an enjoyable time. I 2:01:41.080 --> 2:01:44.040 think we were over there for two weeks playing you know, 2:01:44.120 --> 2:01:47.320 courses around Ireland and then made our way up to 2:01:47.560 --> 2:01:50.960 the County down. Yeah, I think it was. It was awesome. 2:01:50.960 --> 2:01:53.640 I enjoyed it. Obviously. To will be on a victorious 2:01:53.640 --> 2:01:55.880 winning walk up team was unbelievable. First time we had 2:01:55.880 --> 2:01:58.080 won over there, I think since like ninety two or 2:01:58.120 --> 2:02:04.440 ninety five something like that. I mean, there's there's probably 2:02:04.480 --> 2:02:06.480 a tons of stories and I'll give you two. I mean, listen, 2:02:06.560 --> 2:02:10.800 I was twenty years old, very brash, very cocky, very 2:02:12.080 --> 2:02:15.680 self assured of himself. I remember Ricky and I were 2:02:15.680 --> 2:02:19.360 playing Rory and Johnny Cadwell on Sunday morning. We were 2:02:19.360 --> 2:02:23.400 four down after five we made the turn all square. 2:02:24.720 --> 2:02:27.280 I think at this point we were maybe what am 2:02:27.280 --> 2:02:28.600 I about to talk about? We were about one or 2:02:28.600 --> 2:02:32.360 two up in the match and Ricky, I think, on 2:02:32.440 --> 2:02:35.840 the fifteenth of Part three, hit a shot at iron 2:02:35.840 --> 2:02:38.160 shot out to the right into this bunker and it 2:02:38.200 --> 2:02:40.280 was a long bunker shot and you're above the green 2:02:40.440 --> 2:02:43.040 and you know everything and I and I was up 2:02:43.080 --> 2:02:46.120 against the lip and I hit this unbelievable bunker shot, 2:02:46.200 --> 2:02:49.160 came out perfect lanes on the green and the balls 2:02:49.240 --> 2:02:52.200 rolling down and I come running down like a damn gazelle, 2:02:52.760 --> 2:02:54.400 you know, hoot and hollering at the top of my 2:02:54.520 --> 2:02:58.280 lungs like go in, go in, and the ball lips out. 2:02:58.400 --> 2:03:01.320 You know, we make par. Rory and them had twenty feet, 2:03:01.360 --> 2:03:04.520 they make par. We won the match like two and one. 2:03:05.280 --> 2:03:07.240 And obviously, like I was brash, I was an idiot. 2:03:07.400 --> 2:03:08.920 I mean, I'm not an idiot, but I mean I 2:03:08.960 --> 2:03:11.080 was brash. I mean, as I said going in there, 2:03:11.120 --> 2:03:12.680 I said I was gonna be the surgery Garcia of 2:03:12.680 --> 2:03:16.360 the American team, of the US Walk up team. And 2:03:16.440 --> 2:03:20.720 so I got paired up with Rory in the Sunday 2:03:20.720 --> 2:03:22.840 afternoon singles. We get up on the first t I 2:03:22.920 --> 2:03:26.680 hit a good drive and he just unleashes on one 2:03:26.720 --> 2:03:28.880 and it goes so far and he's way down there. 2:03:28.920 --> 2:03:30.440 He can't have more than seven or eight r in 2:03:30.480 --> 2:03:33.840 the green, and he said, you know, an iron shot 2:03:33.880 --> 2:03:36.080 in there to about fifteen feet, I've got like seven 2:03:36.160 --> 2:03:40.200 feet for Birdie and he makes his ego putt and 2:03:40.240 --> 2:03:42.720 he goes he yeld the top of his song was 2:03:42.800 --> 2:03:46.240 like fuck yeah, let's go something like that, and like 2:03:46.280 --> 2:03:48.480 I was like, oh shit, I'm in trouble. You know. 2:03:48.640 --> 2:03:51.600 I was like, Okay, I'm in trouble right now. And listen, 2:03:51.960 --> 2:03:54.520 we didn't know who Roy was. We knew he just 2:03:54.560 --> 2:03:57.400 won low am at the Open Championship at CORTNEWSI you 2:03:57.440 --> 2:03:59.880 O seven. We knew he was a good player, but 2:04:00.040 --> 2:04:02.000 you know, he didn't come over to the States and play. 2:04:02.120 --> 2:04:05.160 He was only eighteen at the time. You know. There 2:04:05.200 --> 2:04:06.960 was a lot of hype around them and everything, and 2:04:07.080 --> 2:04:09.480 you know, we all, you know, I thought it was 2:04:09.760 --> 2:04:13.080 you know, it was good, but you know, I didn't know. 2:04:13.440 --> 2:04:15.120 I could have told you this is what was going 2:04:15.200 --> 2:04:17.440 to happen. I saw potential, I saw talent, but yeah, 2:04:17.800 --> 2:04:19.800 time we just thought it was another player who you know, 2:04:19.840 --> 2:04:22.200 we were trying to beat. And you know, he showed 2:04:22.240 --> 2:04:25.160 me something on that that Sunday afternoon singles that I 2:04:25.200 --> 2:04:27.200 walked away with and I was, I was, I was 2:04:27.280 --> 2:04:29.080 impressed and I respected the hell out of them. 2:04:29.720 --> 2:04:34.000 Yeah, it's uh that had to be an amazing experience, 2:04:34.160 --> 2:04:37.200 uh playing that golf course and in the Walker Cup. 2:04:37.360 --> 2:04:40.480 I you know, it's like you talk about like the 2:04:40.480 --> 2:04:45.680 infrastructure needed for championship golf, and yeah, that's a bad thing. 2:04:45.960 --> 2:04:49.320 It's like the thing that stinks, especially when it comes 2:04:49.320 --> 2:04:51.600 to like the Open to become this like you know, 2:04:51.680 --> 2:04:54.760 they value the fan and like it's part of it, 2:04:54.760 --> 2:04:57.240 it's part of what makes it special. But it is 2:04:57.320 --> 2:05:00.840 also the downside is a venue like Royal County down 2:05:01.440 --> 2:05:07.880 is unavailable given the modern the modernization of major championships, 2:05:08.240 --> 2:05:12.120 and there's other venues in America that are similarly where 2:05:12.160 --> 2:05:16.120 you just have you know, small like it commercially isn't 2:05:16.120 --> 2:05:18.840 as big of a success. And it's like that would 2:05:18.880 --> 2:05:22.800 be to me, that would be up there in the 2:05:22.840 --> 2:05:26.160 top top echelon of of of tests because that I 2:05:26.200 --> 2:05:28.960 don't think there's much harder golf courses in the world 2:05:29.400 --> 2:05:32.200 than that, and more more maybe more demanding, is the 2:05:32.320 --> 2:05:34.080 right is the right term? 2:05:34.320 --> 2:05:35.840 Yeah? I would agree with you. I think it's an 2:05:35.880 --> 2:05:37.760 awesome golf course and it would be in my top 2:05:37.760 --> 2:05:40.200 five the links courses. I always already have top five, 2:05:40.200 --> 2:05:41.520 So let's make a top six. 2:05:42.880 --> 2:05:45.720 All right, last least. Uh, who's your pick to win 2:05:46.400 --> 2:05:48.080 before we get out of here? If you if you were, 2:05:48.160 --> 2:05:49.760 if you had to make, if you know, a gun 2:05:49.760 --> 2:05:51.560 to your head, who's going to win this week? 2:05:52.640 --> 2:05:56.640 Oh? Oh man, I'm trying to think. 2:05:57.480 --> 2:05:59.760 I mean, there's there's a couple of people that you 2:05:59.800 --> 2:06:01.640 can never go wrong, nobody could ever doubt. 2:06:01.720 --> 2:06:05.640 Yeah. No, I mean I'm going to say, you know, 2:06:08.160 --> 2:06:11.200 the Irish will be shining upon once again. 2:06:11.600 --> 2:06:14.160 All right, So all right, anyone who's Irish. 2:06:14.160 --> 2:06:15.880 I'm going with anyone who's Irish. I think the Irish 2:06:15.960 --> 2:06:18.000 luck and they're gonna have Irish beach. They're gonna be 2:06:18.000 --> 2:06:18.840 shined upon again. 2:06:19.600 --> 2:06:22.080 I'm gonna take I'm gonna take Victor Holin. I feel 2:06:22.120 --> 2:06:26.360 like he's been sniffing around a lot of majors. He's 2:06:26.400 --> 2:06:30.560 just he's been been there. He's there at the old 2:06:30.600 --> 2:06:34.440 course obviously. Uh, and I just think he's he's bound 2:06:34.440 --> 2:06:35.400 to get one done here. 2:06:36.280 --> 2:06:38.280 Yeah. That's a good one. All right, good. 2:06:38.080 --> 2:06:40.960 One, Billy, big thanks. We can't wait to see you 2:06:41.000 --> 2:06:43.600 back on the golf course. I was I was looking 2:06:43.600 --> 2:06:46.080 through the Ryder cup standings, and that was the thing 2:06:46.120 --> 2:06:48.840 that was most bummed about, was like I you know, 2:06:49.160 --> 2:06:51.120 I think this year you would have you would have 2:06:51.120 --> 2:06:53.760 been on the team game given your form and and 2:06:53.880 --> 2:06:56.640 uh and we'll we miss you. We can't wait for 2:06:56.680 --> 2:06:59.160 you to come back and be back out there. And 2:06:59.520 --> 2:07:01.280 big thing for coming on this podcast. 2:07:01.760 --> 2:07:02.800 Thanks guys, Thank you. 2:07:14.480 --> 2:07:17.960 Thank you for listening to another edition of the Friday 2:07:18.040 --> 2:07:23.160 Golf Podcast. That was that was I love Billy. He's 2:07:23.360 --> 2:07:26.080 he's so you know, what I appreciate about him is 2:07:26.120 --> 2:07:29.760 he's candid. He tells you exactly what he's thinking, and 2:07:30.160 --> 2:07:35.360 that's very rare in sports. Uh So, Billy, Uh, it's 2:07:35.440 --> 2:07:38.720 bummer that he's watching this week and not playing. Uh 2:07:38.880 --> 2:07:40.960 it's a bummer when you look at the US Ryder 2:07:41.000 --> 2:07:43.880 Cup team that he's not in the mix because I think, 2:07:44.080 --> 2:07:47.880 given the way he played last year, he was going 2:07:47.920 --> 2:07:51.360 to be squarely in the mix this year. And uh yeah, 2:07:51.400 --> 2:07:54.000 so we'll be back. I actually have we have a 2:07:54.000 --> 2:07:57.840 bonus episode coming this week. Uh that will be out 2:07:57.880 --> 2:08:01.760 on Wednesday. Uh so yeah, we'll have an extra episode 2:08:01.800 --> 2:08:05.200 and then we'll be back with Trevor after the championship 2:08:05.240 --> 2:08:09.960 to do the recap breakdown of what happened at Port Rush. 2:08:10.040 --> 2:08:13.240 So thank you guys for listening supporting the pod through 2:08:13.280 --> 2:08:15.800 these majors. This year, We've got a couple more episodes 2:08:15.840 --> 2:08:17.880 of major golf left. Then we got the Ryder Cup, 2:08:18.280 --> 2:08:22.400 a little boom and the playoffs. What really matters, right, 2:08:23.320 --> 2:08:26.200 So big thanks to PJ for hopping on doing the 2:08:26.240 --> 2:08:30.880 storylines and also editing producing this podcast. Lock in, get 2:08:30.920 --> 2:08:33.440 the coffee ready, and enjoy the open