Speaker 1: Hello everybody, Welcome into the Fantasy Pros Football Podcast. I'm
Speaker 1: Ryan Warmley, join on this Tuesday morning by Andrew Rickson
Speaker 1: and Chris welsh Fellas. It is not only election day
Speaker 1: for America, it's also NFL trade deadline day, and we
Speaker 1: got a couple of trades this morning before we even
Speaker 1: started recording, So we're hit a couple of those news
Speaker 1: and notes at the top of the show. I also
Speaker 1: want to very quickly react to one piece of Monday
Speaker 1: Night Football as well, and then we'll dive into our
Speaker 1: bi lows, our cell highs. We're talking some running backs
Speaker 1: here to start things off, let's jump into those news
Speaker 1: and notes. We've got a ton to hit on, so
Speaker 1: we'll go pretty quickly through this section, just quickly on
Speaker 1: Monday Night Football to give some reaction. Patrick Mahomes was
Speaker 1: actually good for fantasy in this game, which has not
Speaker 1: been the case for a very long time, and DeAndre
Speaker 1: Hopkins clearly a big part of that. He had eight catches,
Speaker 1: eighty six yards and two touchdowns. Ericson, are you more
Speaker 1: interested in investing in Mahomes and obviously Hopkins himself after
Speaker 1: seeing this game?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it was a good matchup right Tambay Buccaneers,
Speaker 2: they have been one of the best matchup. That's the
Speaker 2: reason why Mahomes was bringing so much higher in ECR
Speaker 2: this week compared to two weeks past because the matchup
Speaker 2: was there for the taking against a really bad Buccaneers
Speaker 2: defense that's been banged up all season. So I think
Speaker 2: that this is just good because again you have Hopkins
Speaker 2: in the fold. Now maybe Mahomes can finally start scoring
Speaker 2: fantasy points because we know clearly that the talent is there.
Speaker 2: So I think that in one QB league to think
Speaker 2: that you just stay pat, you continue to ride with
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes. I think that the schedule is pretty good
Speaker 2: for him the rest of the season. Obviously, adding Hopkins
Speaker 2: now that he's fully integrated into the offense, adds another
Speaker 2: element that they were missing before. So with receivers with
Speaker 2: Kelsey looking a lot better, can Worthy up and down,
Speaker 2: but still that expulsive playmaker, they can now offer Pacheco
Speaker 2: coming back potentially. Yeah, I think the rest of the season.
Speaker 2: I think that you can be fine with Mahomes as
Speaker 2: your QB one, and I don't think you need to
Speaker 2: ncessarily find a streamer or someone to replace him.
Speaker 3: With well show, do you think yeah, stay Pat? By
Speaker 3: the way, did you get everybody hear ericson do the
Speaker 3: whole stay Pat thing? Yeah? I think.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 3: Another thing it proves too is like Mahomes does really
Speaker 3: well with like pointed targets. You know. Sometimes we've seen
Speaker 3: him be a guy that'll throw you n nine ten
Speaker 3: different people in a game. But when you can rely
Speaker 3: on two massive targets in the receiving game, it's working out.
Speaker 3: Like DeAndre Hopkins playing that Rashid Rice Roll and Travis
Speaker 3: Kelcey being involved. Guess what shocker everybody getting those guys
Speaker 3: like twenty plus targets. It's good and that's great for
Speaker 3: fantasy in general. We were talking about this in the
Speaker 3: Fantasy pros Slack two we've started. People have seen on
Speaker 3: live streams now the superchat type of thing, and we
Speaker 3: had like a massive the biggest super chat we ever had,
Speaker 3: and the question was around Hopkins as one of five
Speaker 3: receivers to start. Thank god that Tom and I both said,
Speaker 3: DeAndre Hopkins in there. Unfortunately a love got hurt in there,
Speaker 3: but what can you do about that one? But yeah,
Speaker 3: Hopkins looks great, looks like he has just fit right
Speaker 3: into that offense. He is flying out boards. His rest
Speaker 3: of season value is actually a really interesting conversation. And
Speaker 3: Kelsey is back, which all means mahomes back in the
Speaker 3: circle of trust.
Speaker 1: Like I said, there have been a couple of trades
Speaker 1: already this morning. I expecting more as we get, you know,
Speaker 1: closer to the deadline later this afternoon. One of the
Speaker 1: trades that really stunned me Jonathan Mingo to Dallas. The
Speaker 1: Cowboys gave up a fourth round pick, and I thought,
Speaker 1: you know, I first saw this news come across via Slack,
Speaker 1: and you know, our colleague Pat Fitzmorris said, I can't
Speaker 1: believe how much of the Cowboys gave up for Mingo.
Speaker 1: I thought he meant they gave up like two sevenths
Speaker 1: or something, and that was an overpay for Mingo.
Speaker 4: I can't believe they gave up a fourth round.
Speaker 1: They did get another seventh back in the deal, but
Speaker 1: that's wild to me, that Mingo, who has done absolutely
Speaker 1: nothing for Carolina and there's some, you know, argument that
Speaker 1: he wasn't used the right way and there's still some
Speaker 1: talent there, but fourth rounder, especially when your quarterback.
Speaker 4: Is now on the shelf in your season looks kind
Speaker 4: of lost to any lay.
Speaker 1: I was really blown away by that. Well, shall start
Speaker 1: with you on this one. Just what was your reaction
Speaker 1: to Meno? Do you have any interest in him? Or
Speaker 1: is the bigger takeaway like you have now even more
Speaker 1: interest in Laguette and Jalen Coker.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the first takeaway is this it's co season, Like
Speaker 3: I'm more interested in him. Not that even Mingo was
Speaker 3: like taking away from that, But I mean Coker only
Speaker 3: had two targets this week thirty six yards. By the way,
Speaker 3: he's receiving our prop with thirty six and a half.
Speaker 3: I had that of course, finished with thirty six. But
Speaker 3: big play guy, good route runner. This is just one
Speaker 3: extra little notch in his cap. Mingo going to the Cowboys.
Speaker 3: I mean, first off, he's going to be a Cowboy
Speaker 3: for four weeks, most likely without Dak Prescott. So I
Speaker 3: don't love that. With Cooper Rush, he's probably not jumping
Speaker 3: into a number two. Maybe there's a little bit more
Speaker 3: interest from where he was, but I got it. I
Speaker 3: don't understand the trade. I don't understand the only logic
Speaker 3: I could put to the fourth rounder. He's young. All
Speaker 3: these other wide receivers that get traded or old Mark
Speaker 3: older Amari Cooper, DeAndre Hopkins. But like, how are the
Speaker 3: older guys with bigger money getting better picks and a
Speaker 3: younger guy with maybe more control. I'm not sure I
Speaker 3: understand the logic. Maybe nobody wants to be a Cowboy,
Speaker 3: but a fourth round pick seems like a pretty wild overpay.
Speaker 2: If I had to guess, I would imagine that the
Speaker 2: Cowboys probably had a high grade on Mingo coming out
Speaker 2: of the draft. Where they're looking at, Oh, we had
Speaker 2: a second round grade on the sky and I would
Speaker 2: get him four a fourth when we need receiver help.
Speaker 2: Lamb is hurt, Brandon Cooks is still on an your
Speaker 2: preserve you. Though he may be eligible to come back,
Speaker 2: we still don't know how his knee is doing with
Speaker 2: the infection. So who are they gonna roll out? Jalen
Speaker 2: Tolbert and Ryan florinat like a bunch of guys that
Speaker 2: they don't really have any hope with. So look, Jerry
Speaker 2: will do whatever it takes to get the fans excited
Speaker 2: in any way, shape or form, so if he needs
Speaker 2: to make a splash at the trade deadline, I'm not.
Speaker 3: Sure it was a Mingo though, Eric yeah, you'll write
Speaker 3: about that, but it wasn't. Hey everybody, let's put on
Speaker 3: the big jumbo tron. Yeah, but Mingo.
Speaker 2: But for Jerry Jones, I mean, that's what he's gonna do.
Speaker 2: He's gonna sell it as, hey, we get this really
Speaker 2: talented guy. I guarantee when he talks about it in
Speaker 2: his press conference. Yeah, we had a second round grade
Speaker 2: on Mingo's that's guarantee, that's what he's gonna say. And
Speaker 2: then like we got it for a fourth We feel
Speaker 2: great about this. So I think it's probably good for
Speaker 2: Mingo if you have the dynasty still, just to gain
Speaker 2: another chance again he got a miss massive quarterback up
Speaker 2: rates and maybe he does something with Dak when he
Speaker 2: comes back later in the year. But yeah, I think
Speaker 2: it's really more about the two pieces in Carolina, the
Speaker 2: two rookies, between Coker and we Get. They should see
Speaker 2: a lot of opportunities moving forward in this Panthers offense.
Speaker 3: The only thing I want to throw out is like,
Speaker 3: when I saw there was a cowboy Panther trade, this
Speaker 3: was not the one I was immediately went to the
Speaker 3: excitement of did we actually get a trade that we
Speaker 3: just built in our head that Cuba is going to
Speaker 3: become a cowboy. That's the dream. That's the trade that
Speaker 3: Jerry Jones puts together. That everyone's like, all right, you
Speaker 3: don't pay running backs, but we're gonna trade for Cuba
Speaker 3: because Ezekiel Elliott's gonna be gone. And they got Jonathan Mingo.
Speaker 3: So there was a little bit of a letdown there.
Speaker 2: Maybe they're just setting things up.
Speaker 4: Oh for a.
Speaker 3: Second trade, they're gonna trade it. Guess they don't have
Speaker 3: a foce in the reel. How about a third?
Speaker 1: Now, well, there was a running back trader this morning,
Speaker 1: not to Dallas. Khalil Herbert got traded to the Bengals. Obviously,
Speaker 1: Zach Moss out either definitely or for the rest of
Speaker 1: the season. I've seen multiple different tweets about it, but
Speaker 1: but for a while here, I possibly the rest of
Speaker 1: the year. Obviously, Chase Brown is somebody that a lot
Speaker 1: of folks, fantasy pros have been really excited about, you know,
Speaker 1: throughout the summer, and we've liked what we've seen, and
Speaker 1: then you know, it's been Chase Brown season to some degree,
Speaker 1: particularly with Moss out. But now they add another running
Speaker 1: back to this room, Erickson. Is this something that it's
Speaker 1: more depth and an insurance policy in case Brown gets
Speaker 1: hurt and not willing to overwork him. Is this something
Speaker 1: that actually is going to eat into Brown's workload in
Speaker 1: a way that you know would maybe drop him for
Speaker 1: you in fantasy?
Speaker 4: How are you reacting to this?
Speaker 2: I think it's just a depth piece. I mean, Herbert
Speaker 2: is a good running back and the Bengals just lost
Speaker 2: their number two running back and they don't trust anybody
Speaker 2: else on that ross. There's a reason why Chase Brown
Speaker 2: got thirty plus touches last week because they don't trust
Speaker 2: Travan Williams. And the only other guy I have is
Speaker 2: from the practice quad, Kendall Milton, who was an undrafted
Speaker 2: rookie free agent. So they're just checking off the boxes. Hey,
Speaker 2: we're a high powered offense. We have to make sure
Speaker 2: we have a capable running back in case Chase Brown
Speaker 2: goes down, because we just lost Zack Moss who's he
Speaker 2: has a neck injury, so that's scary. So we don't
Speaker 2: know we're going to see him again out indefinitely from
Speaker 2: the latest reports I've seen, So again, I think Herbert
Speaker 2: is just a high end handcuff. I don't think that
Speaker 2: he's going to eat much into Chase Brown's work. Lite
Speaker 2: know Brown is also dealing with a rib injury from
Speaker 2: this past week, so something to monitor. Maybe Herbert gets
Speaker 2: worked in a little bit more on a short week
Speaker 2: against the Ravens, but for all intentsive purposes, its wheels
Speaker 2: up for Chase Brown, and Herbert is just someone you
Speaker 2: want to stash in your bench just in case Brown
Speaker 2: should suffer injury because it's a good offense, and we know
Speaker 2: Herbert is a good running back when he gets opportunities.
Speaker 4: Well, should you think when he first saw this trade.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exact same. I was doing some talk yesterday on
Speaker 3: a podcast about you know what teams are going to
Speaker 3: be looking at what you know, fantasy positions, and the
Speaker 3: Bengals were one identified like they look like they should
Speaker 3: be involved in the running back market. This is not
Speaker 3: the running back I thought, But my logic still was
Speaker 3: around a back like this. You know, maybe if like
Speaker 3: a Devin Singletary were traded, maybe he would eat in
Speaker 3: a tiny bit more. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 3: like it looks like they're comfortable letting Chase Brown go,
Speaker 3: but they've got to have depth, especially if they're going
Speaker 3: to make a playoff run lit. Herbert's like a perfect
Speaker 3: depth running back that probably takes very little away from him,
Speaker 3: and so it's not a fantasy boost to him. There's
Speaker 3: really no I don't know, maybe like you know, we're like, hey,
Speaker 3: Swift is a little bit more comfortable, But I really
Speaker 3: don't see like any positive anywhere unless Chase Brown where
Speaker 3: to suffer a bigger injury and Kleil Herbert where to
Speaker 3: jump into that offense. So find fine depth, real life trade.
Speaker 4: Let's jump into the running backs to buy and sell.
Speaker 1: These can be by highs, they can be by lows,
Speaker 1: they can be sell highs, they can be sellas it's
Speaker 1: the running back trade show here, Welsh, We'll start with you,
Speaker 1: what running back are you looking to buy heading into
Speaker 1: week ten?
Speaker 3: This is a running back that I'm taking a turn
Speaker 3: off of because I was at one point into the
Speaker 3: season talking about selling him and this is a by
Speaker 3: low based just on performance. But I think some things
Speaker 3: are going in the right direction. It's Nick Chubb, Nick Chubb,
Speaker 3: I want to buy on. And one of the things
Speaker 3: we saw earlier in the year was that blueprint they
Speaker 3: were giving for us where it was like Jerome Ford
Speaker 3: wouldn't get more than like eleven carries, and then they
Speaker 3: would give it to the other guy. And then it
Speaker 3: was like, oh, this is the blueprint of what's going
Speaker 3: to happen when Nick Chubb came back and they started
Speaker 3: to do that. But then Nick Chubb's usage continued to
Speaker 3: start to go up. I think he had eleven carry yeah,
Speaker 3: eleven carries in the first game, but then he went
Speaker 3: to sixteen and then he went to fifteen. I mean
Speaker 3: that's a significant amount of carries for that injury, for
Speaker 3: a guy that's just getting back. Over the last two weeks,
Speaker 3: his snap percentage is only around forty seven percent, but
Speaker 3: has the tenth best attempt percentage of you know, so
Speaker 3: rushing attempts they have overall on the team, over sixty percent.
Speaker 3: That's the tenth best. Plus his expected points double what
Speaker 3: his actual output is right now, listen with their ability
Speaker 3: to start throwing the ball deep, this week was a disaster,
Speaker 3: but we do know that Jamis Winston in general, they
Speaker 3: are going to absolutely slang the ball. That is going
Speaker 3: to open up the potential run game. And I think
Speaker 3: Nick Chubb might be a really good buy low. I
Speaker 3: don't think anybody is gripping for their life on Nick
Speaker 3: Chubb based on his statistical output, but with jerown forward
Speaker 3: back this past week and leading in snaps, nick Chubb
Speaker 3: was the dominance on fantasy. I think there's some fantasy
Speaker 3: upside for Nick Chubb, especially as he has now gotten
Speaker 3: a couple games under him and gets going. I think
Speaker 3: I kind of want to buy Nick Chubb on the
Speaker 3: low right now.
Speaker 4: Ericson, I'm curious what you think.
Speaker 1: The biggest standout when I look at Nick Chubb is
Speaker 1: the schedule. It's really interesting. I think he fits really
Speaker 1: well if you are a team that is like bordering
Speaker 1: on already clinching, you know, an early buy in your
Speaker 1: playoffs or the one seed, because he has some really
Speaker 1: nice matchups and he's got to buy this week. But
Speaker 1: then Week eleven at New Orleans that's really enticing. Week
Speaker 1: sixteen and seventeen he faces the Bengals and the Dolphins,
Speaker 1: which is really nice to the playoffs. In between those
Speaker 1: games he goes Pittsburgh, Denver, Pittsburgh, Kansas City. So there's
Speaker 1: some tricky stuff there at the end of the fantasy
Speaker 1: regular season beginning of the fantasy playoffs. So if you're
Speaker 1: a team that doesn't need him to get there, he
Speaker 1: could be really valuable at the end. And then also
Speaker 1: he doesn't face the Ravens, who have a good rush
Speaker 1: defense until Week eighteen, which is after most people's championship.
Speaker 1: So that was kind of the scene out to me
Speaker 1: just looking at the schedule for Chubb. What do you
Speaker 1: think of him as a buy target? Ericson do you.
Speaker 2: Have access to my notes for the show, because that's
Speaker 2: pretty much that's pretty much exactly what I was going
Speaker 2: to say. Just bring up the scheduling quirk where yes,
Speaker 2: some tough matchups right after the BI week except for
Speaker 2: the Saints. So yeah, I think that he's a really
Speaker 2: good depth piece to add. Again, right now, most of
Speaker 2: running backs are healthy. Maybe that state, maybe we stay
Speaker 2: the course and just more receivers to continue to get hurt.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think right now, if you're trying to
Speaker 2: sharpen up your roster for a championship run, I think
Speaker 2: Chubb is a nice depth piece to add, and you
Speaker 2: just have to start him based on match but you
Speaker 2: hope that he just continues to get more healthy.
Speaker 3: As Week seventeen Championship week five star matchup rating, that's
Speaker 3: that big one that you mentioned Miami Dolphins in that week.
Speaker 3: So Week seventeen, huge championship for Chubb.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I do kind of expect.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know that the offense looks pretty good
Speaker 1: under Winston against Baltimore and then obviously hit more turnovers
Speaker 1: this past week. I expect in general it will look
Speaker 1: better and better as a season goes on and they
Speaker 1: just get more use to each other. And there's even
Speaker 1: more reps this season for Jamis, so I think there
Speaker 1: will be more scoring opportunities later on, you know, even
Speaker 1: accounting for the fact that they're facing some of those
Speaker 1: you know, much tough for defenses for that month long
Speaker 1: stretch right in the middle ericson, let's go to your
Speaker 1: running back to buy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm looking at Brian Robinson Junior did not play
Speaker 2: this past week because of a hamstring injury and kind
Speaker 2: of saw the Commanders morph into a three headed month
Speaker 2: through between Chris Rodriguez, we saw with Jery McNichols get
Speaker 2: worked in and then Austin Eckler kind of lead the way.
Speaker 2: But none of the guys were overly impressive in my opinion.
Speaker 2: I know, I've liked Eckler as a bye but even
Speaker 2: in this matchup again, he was the lead, but Brian
Speaker 2: Robinson's still clearly their main guy, especially when it comes
Speaker 2: to red zone usage. Right, I'm looking for how can
Speaker 2: I get access to cheap touchdowns in a high powered offense.
Speaker 2: One of the best in the NFL. That's the Commanders
Speaker 2: and it's Brian Robinson. Again, not top of mine because
Speaker 2: he's coming off an injuries, coming off a game where
Speaker 2: he didn't play, And I'm just looking at the playoff schedule, right,
Speaker 2: Saints Eagles, Falcons, and that's off a Week fourteen bye week.
Speaker 2: So even if Robinson is kind of lukewarm over the
Speaker 2: next couple weeks he's kind of nursing this injury, well,
Speaker 2: he's going to be fresh off of Week fourteen, So
Speaker 2: if you don't need him kind of leading up to
Speaker 2: the fantasy playoffs, I think that he can be a
Speaker 2: top ten running back for that playoff run against the
Speaker 2: same Eagles and Falcons.
Speaker 4: Well, when do you think of Brian Robinson?
Speaker 1: I mean, just even in looking at his game log,
Speaker 1: he doesn't have in HALFVPR scoring a game with twenty
Speaker 1: fantasy points yet this season, but the floor has been
Speaker 1: so consistent. He was double digits every game except for
Speaker 1: Week eight against Chicago.
Speaker 4: When I think.
Speaker 1: About players that I like to trade for four the
Speaker 1: stretch run and the playoffs, I tend to philosophically go
Speaker 1: for the higher upside guys in that scenario and the
Speaker 1: sort of the ceiling plays and when I'm playing for
Speaker 1: the future anyway, because anybody's floor can drop out between
Speaker 1: now in Week seventeen because they could get injured or
Speaker 1: their role can change or whatever. But he's not a
Speaker 1: type of player that I tend to go for in
Speaker 1: the long term if I don't feel like there's a
Speaker 1: super high ceiling, but the floor is so insanely high
Speaker 1: that I think there's still a degree where he is
Speaker 1: pretty appealing. What do you make of Brian Robinson as
Speaker 1: a long term play?
Speaker 3: It's actually an interesting way how you put it, because,
Speaker 3: like I think the floor kind of comes out from
Speaker 3: him a little bit because he lacks volume. Where the
Speaker 3: ceiling has been He's performed and put up you know,
Speaker 3: some bigger weeks with you know what eleven twelve carries
Speaker 3: in some games, like he's been really efficient without massive,
Speaker 3: So I'm agreeing with you, But I would almost like
Speaker 3: semi flip it to say, like I think his floor
Speaker 3: is okay, but I actually think the ceiling is really
Speaker 3: high in that offense. So you know he has been
Speaker 3: able to have some of that explosion because of what
Speaker 3: Daniels does for him in general.
Speaker 4: So I like this buy.
Speaker 3: I almost picked him. I think the bye week banks
Speaker 3: a little bit tricky. Might be a forward looking trade
Speaker 3: where someone is like, he's not getting major volume and
Speaker 3: he was banged up and there's a bye week coming
Speaker 3: up that you can get him on the low. This
Speaker 3: is the type of player I like on the low.
Speaker 3: My only hesitation is volume, Like if I am trading
Speaker 3: for players, I'm hoping to try to get volume. That's
Speaker 3: something that you know, turning it over to Chase Brown
Speaker 3: for a second, like I can, I can turn my
Speaker 3: sites back. I've been kind of like, I don't know
Speaker 3: about Chase Brown, I don't know about Rico Dowdell. They're
Speaker 3: both now in positions of volume and the other both
Speaker 3: like talented backs of the offenses. Maybe can specifically, like
Speaker 3: with doubt all could potentially hold them back, but like
Speaker 3: those guys now hold on to volume, and that makes
Speaker 3: me kind of excited on this back half of the year,
Speaker 3: Robinson doesn't quite have that because of the health. So
Speaker 3: maybe that gives me the slightest hesitation, But I really
Speaker 3: do like the idea because from like a talent perspective,
Speaker 3: this might be the number one like underperformed due to
Speaker 3: injury and question marks in the future to what they
Speaker 3: can do on the field. You just wish he would
Speaker 3: get you know, twenty carries a game.
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Speaker 4: All right, guys, let's go to the running backs to sell. Well,
Speaker 4: she got so.
Speaker 3: I hate to fall into coach speak too much. Sometimes
Speaker 3: the coach speak is gonna get you. But the player
Speaker 3: I'm going to trade moving forward is Tony Pollard, and
Speaker 3: I've been a pretty big Tony Pollard apologist. We had
Speaker 3: a bunch of questions in the livestream chat if everybody
Speaker 3: wants to check out on Sunday mornings. We're always talking pregame,
Speaker 3: start and sit and everything like that, and there was
Speaker 3: like lots of Tony Pollard questions. And I have a
Speaker 3: big been very pro Tony Pollard, and he had twenty
Speaker 3: eight carries, the season high wild twenty eight carries. He's
Speaker 3: averaging over four and a half yards per game. Then
Speaker 3: after the game we got the coach speak of we
Speaker 3: want to use Tony Pollard less, we want to lower
Speaker 3: the carry total. Now you could take that also as
Speaker 3: like he had twenty eight carries, we don't want him
Speaker 3: to have twenty overall, but he had only had two
Speaker 3: other games this season with over twenty. Also, out of
Speaker 3: the Andrew Erickson Playbook, sixth toughest schedule for running backs
Speaker 3: for the rest of the season, this is the sixth
Speaker 3: worst for rbs, which equates to Tony Pollard, you're gonna
Speaker 3: get more Taje Spears, taking away from the volume of
Speaker 3: Tony Pollard, which I said I really like on an
Speaker 3: offense that I don't love. I just don't. I don't.
Speaker 3: I mean Mason Rudolph, I guess is bringing some life
Speaker 3: back into it. But if you're going to push Pollard
Speaker 3: down to the under eighteen carries per game and get
Speaker 3: more Taj Spears, I think they might like chestn Out
Speaker 3: a little bit. They might want to see what they
Speaker 3: have in him as a tiny bit more usage plus
Speaker 3: a really tough schedule. I'm not, you know, ringing the
Speaker 3: bell to get off of the Tony Pollard ship before
Speaker 3: it sinks like the Titanic, But I think you know,
Speaker 3: with how well he's performed this year and coming off
Speaker 3: of this massive game, I think this is a great
Speaker 3: time to see if you can consolidate somewhere else. Maybe
Speaker 3: you've got running back depth, Maybe you hit the jackpot
Speaker 3: with a Chase Brown as your RB three or four.
Speaker 3: You could throw him in and maybe you can turn
Speaker 3: Pollard into a really high wide receiver. I just think
Speaker 3: there's an opportunity or a chance that we've peaked at
Speaker 3: Tony Pollard and rest of season, with the coaches talking
Speaker 3: about wanting to use him less, this offense in general,
Speaker 3: and the strength of schedule, I think those are recipes
Speaker 3: that it might be hard for Tony Pollard to continue
Speaker 3: to perform at the high levels that he has. This
Speaker 3: could be a big failure. But that is going to
Speaker 3: be my trade candidate at RB.
Speaker 1: Ericson what do you think about Tony Pollard in this spot?
Speaker 1: But just for the record of ECR rest of season
Speaker 1: consensus rankings, he is RB nineteen and half PPR.
Speaker 2: I mean i'd rather have Brian Robinson this season than
Speaker 2: Tony Pollard. I think that you're.
Speaker 1: Brian Robinson RB eighteen, so he's one spot ahead consensus.
Speaker 2: But they're back to back, so I'm right there with
Speaker 2: the consensus. But just look at the matchups that he has.
Speaker 2: Again talking about rest of the season, but just look
Speaker 2: at the next three weeks with Tony Pollard, all Red
Speaker 2: matchups Chargers, Vikings, Texans. Two of those games on the road.
Speaker 2: So this is just the process. This is peak sell
Speaker 2: high for Tony Poller, coming off season high in carries
Speaker 2: rushing yards. Again, he didn't score touchd onn He had
Speaker 2: one touchdown call back, so it could even a bigger game.
Speaker 2: But look at his finishes. Despite having basically the full
Speaker 2: workload every single week, Tony Pollard has zero top ten
Speaker 2: finishes zero. So as good as he's been, it's consistent
Speaker 2: as he's been, he's still handicapped, held back by this
Speaker 2: offense and this offensive vironment with the schedule getting tougher
Speaker 2: down the stretch, the flour is not going to be
Speaker 2: as high. And now if he's losing out to work
Speaker 2: on Ta Jay Spears remains to be seen. But I
Speaker 2: think that right now I think it's honestly, regardless of
Speaker 2: whatever happens with Spears, I think that you should be
Speaker 2: killing high on Tony Pollard. So I agree with Welsh Eeric.
Speaker 4: Soon let's go to your running back to sell.
Speaker 2: Rom Andre Stevenson. That is my running back to sell
Speaker 2: here for the New England Patriots. He has been one
Speaker 2: of those Boomer busts running backs all year long. So
Speaker 2: he's played eight games this year. He has five top
Speaker 2: ten finishes, including three inside the top five. So warm,
Speaker 2: I know you love these running backs with high end
Speaker 2: upside from Andre Stevens has has shown that, but he
Speaker 2: also has three outside the top forty. So he's out
Speaker 2: of some games where he has just been an absolute
Speaker 2: nightmare to play. But then he's had games like last
Speaker 2: week where he rushed for sixteen yards, didn't matter, he
Speaker 2: scored two touchdowns, especially on one on the last play
Speaker 2: of the game catching a touchdown. So he again talked
Speaker 2: about it. He has a really high ceiling. But this
Speaker 2: is peak cell tih for mandra Seeds because now it's oh,
Speaker 2: this is going to be consistent. This is going to
Speaker 2: be Remondras Stephen the rest of the season, scoring touchdowns left
Speaker 2: and right, Drake May has saved this offense, but it's
Speaker 2: really been boom or bust with Stevenson. So considering he
Speaker 2: has four touchdowns over his last two games, I'm looking
Speaker 2: for an opportunity to sell off of Stevenson if I
Speaker 2: can get a high return. Now that being said, I
Speaker 2: don't mind holding on to Stevenson if I can't get
Speaker 2: anything back that I really think is worthwhile, because he
Speaker 2: does have a high ceiling and he can give you
Speaker 2: a week winning performance, but trying to project it every
Speaker 2: single week can be tough, especially with the Patriots schedule
Speaker 2: not great rest of season, on the road this week
Speaker 2: against the Chicago Bears. Look, if I had to predict
Speaker 2: a dud coming up for Romandre, it would probably be
Speaker 2: this week in a tough road matchup against a good
Speaker 2: Bears defense. So that's where I would be somewhat concerned
Speaker 2: about Stevenson losing some value after this next game, and
Speaker 2: I think I would like to maybe sell him high
Speaker 2: just after these last two games.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, Chamandre is so interesting because he's so reliant on
Speaker 1: touchdowns for his fantasy scoring, even as he's had year,
Speaker 1: Three out of his last four games that he's played
Speaker 1: have been good Fantasy days.
Speaker 4: It's been so touchdown reliant.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, Drake, may you know maybe
Speaker 1: that does mean more touchdowns for the whole offense moving forward.
Speaker 1: I really don't know where I come down on Romandre.
Speaker 1: What do you think is Stevenson a good running back
Speaker 1: to be selling right now?
Speaker 3: I'm like, if I could pin points something I want
Speaker 3: to target to get off of, especially like week ten
Speaker 3: on it's wild, boom or bus, whether it's running back, wide, receiver,
Speaker 3: tight end, like those don't do a lot for me.
Speaker 3: Here are those. I don't know if you said the
Speaker 3: finishes you were saying, here are the last six finishes
Speaker 3: and half PPR according to Fantasy pros eighty one, forty one,
Speaker 3: five forty five for an eight. It's like a code
Speaker 3: from Lost, trying to, you know, save the capsule, Like
Speaker 3: I can't do that with Ramandre Stevenson now.
Speaker 1: And by the way, to that point, the other two
Speaker 1: games he didn't say it was he was RB five
Speaker 1: and RB ten, So that means every game he has
Speaker 1: either been top ten or outside the top forty.
Speaker 3: That's you, guys, I said that at the beginning. You
Speaker 3: know that, you guys know, but I was giving the
Speaker 3: physical numbers. I know you said that thing, but I
Speaker 3: was giving. That's maddening. That's crazy, crazy, maddening. With also
Speaker 3: like points of like, hey, we're gonna do more Antonio Gibson. Oh, Remandre,
Speaker 3: you fumbled, so now you're not going to play this tribe.
Speaker 3: I completely we agree with this. You know what I
Speaker 3: was curious about. Not to extend things, but who would
Speaker 3: you rather have rest of season? Remandre or Rico Ericson.
Speaker 2: I would rather have Stevenson by a lot. Yeah, because
Speaker 2: Stevenson again, he's still shown the ceiling where Rico has
Speaker 2: still not and we're still waiting for any type of
Speaker 2: ceiling play from him. His ceiling was last week.
Speaker 3: Chase's game, Chase Brown or Stevens.
Speaker 2: I would rather have Chase Brown, Okay, I.
Speaker 3: Agree, what about you Rico and Chase versus Rimandre.
Speaker 4: I agree on Chase Brown.
Speaker 1: They're actually back to back in ECR Ormandre's RB twenty
Speaker 1: three Chase Brown's RB twenty four. I'd rather have Chase Brown. Uh,
Speaker 1: Rico is more of a toss up. There's a wider
Speaker 1: gap in ECR. He's about ten spots behind, nine spots
Speaker 1: behind Remandre. I see the case for Rico, I'm worried
Speaker 1: about what the offense is going to look like with
Speaker 1: dak now hurt as well, Like that's just another factor
Speaker 1: for me on that, whereas I'm excited about what the
Speaker 1: offense looks like with Drake and may might be a
Speaker 1: lot of Rico might every more on the volume. I
Speaker 1: see them as as very close. In my opinion, I
Speaker 1: probably would prefer I probably would rank them Chase Brown
Speaker 1: or Madre Stevenson Rico, but I think that Chase Brown
Speaker 1: is the easy.
Speaker 4: Pick of that. The other two is harder for me
Speaker 4: to decide.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with you. I think you said that well?
Speaker 1: Or any other thoughts on Aremondre, Stevenson, Erickson? Or did
Speaker 1: you want to repeat anything we said to uh to
Speaker 1: get back.
Speaker 3: You didn't get the physical numbers though? Did you say
Speaker 3: forty one?
Speaker 2: I mean I said he had five top ten finishes
Speaker 2: and then three outside the top that's on.
Speaker 3: That's on, that's on, worm, I gave you physical numbers.
Speaker 1: Repeat, I was, I was reiterating the numbers for Welsh
Speaker 1: who would.
Speaker 3: Thank you for two games? Thank you God. I guess
Speaker 3: so rude.
Speaker 2: My mindset again, going back to floor ceiling would you
Speaker 2: rather have Stevenson or David Montgomery. Dave Montgomery is the
Speaker 2: locked and loaded yeah twenty Basically, Montgomery's gonna finish where
Speaker 2: Stevenson never finished.
Speaker 4: Why I'd rather have Montgomery.
Speaker 1: But that's a case where like there's future ceiling because
Speaker 1: if Gibbs ever gets.
Speaker 4: Hurt, Montgomery is like a top five running back.
Speaker 2: So where are they an ECR is can Stevenson get Montgomery?
Speaker 1: Stevenston is RB twenty three, Montgomery's RB fifteen in ACR
Speaker 1: rest of season.
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Speaker 1: running backs, Chase Brown, Tyrone, Tracy Junior, DeAndre Swift. Chase Brown, Tyrone,
Speaker 1: Tracy Junior, DeAndre Swift, A couple of these guys looking
Speaker 1: different with that Khalil Herbert trade.
Speaker 4: Now, well, I shall start with you this time. Brown
Speaker 4: Tracy Swift.
Speaker 3: Oh, this is a really tough one. I'm gonna say
Speaker 3: buy Chase Brown, hold Swift, and I guess I'm gonna
Speaker 3: sell Tyrone Tracy. I don't really love selling Tracy. If
Speaker 3: you know the future people probably know this. If like
Speaker 3: Singletary were to be traded, I would like Tracy even more.
Speaker 3: If he stays around, maybe that makes him just like
Speaker 3: a little bit less appetizing. But like I think Swift
Speaker 3: you could kind of designate as a buye here if
Speaker 3: you wanted, just because like that's one more piece that's
Speaker 3: away from potential time. But I think it's hard to
Speaker 3: ignore that Chase Brown isn't the biggest buy here unless
Speaker 3: you view this game as like the guy I want
Speaker 3: to sell is selling high off of But Chase Brown.
Speaker 3: He just is gonna be put into a situation where
Speaker 3: he's gonna be the more predominant back. I don't care
Speaker 3: about the Khalil Herbert stuff. As mentioned, he's great out
Speaker 3: of the passing game. It's good runner. I'm clearly gonna
Speaker 3: buy on him. Swift is as viable, So we're gonna hold.
Speaker 3: And like I said, Tracy, think you super talented. Don't
Speaker 3: love that offense in general. I mean, if they're just
Speaker 3: playing from behind, it's going to take away opportunities for
Speaker 3: him to run, which is a pretty usual thing. So
Speaker 3: I guess I'm he's gonna be my cell ericson what
Speaker 3: did I flub here?
Speaker 2: You can't sell Tyrone Tracy when he's gonna play the
Speaker 2: Panthers this week.
Speaker 3: Sorry, I'm looking at the macro.
Speaker 2: You're looking at the week, but the macro is also excellent. Okay, Panthers,
Speaker 2: then bye week, then the Bucks, Cowboys, Saints. He has
Speaker 2: one bad matchup against the Ravens in week fifteen.
Speaker 3: How many legs will he have after the second quarter
Speaker 3: with the Giants. He used to play wide receiver.
Speaker 2: He's gonna okay, and they're gonna put Drew lock in
Speaker 2: once the once they're eliminated from the playoffs, they'renna Putdrew
Speaker 2: lock in and the offense is gonna cook.
Speaker 3: So, sir, who do you sell of that group?
Speaker 4: Then?
Speaker 2: Oh, Swift? I hate the Bear schedule rest of the season.
Speaker 2: It is horrible and his Bears offense hot take no
Speaker 2: look so great, has not looked great. So Swift is
Speaker 2: gonna be my cell actually because I think that again,
Speaker 2: as great as he was in the beginning of the season,
Speaker 2: I remember this doing my schedule analysis when the schedule
Speaker 2: first dropped in the summertime. Bears great season to start
Speaker 2: the year. This is when his offit is gonna cook.
Speaker 2: Second half, it's really really tough. So I'm gonna sell
Speaker 2: DeAndre Swift. I'm gonna buy Tyrone Tracy, and then I'm
Speaker 2: gonna just hold Chase Brown.
Speaker 1: All right, another trio here, Travis Etn, Juba Hubbard, Javante Williams,
Speaker 1: Etn Hubbard and Javante Ericson will start with you on
Speaker 1: this one.
Speaker 2: She's good. Buy Travis Etn because I think he's still
Speaker 2: a good player, and maybe he's not on the Jaguars
Speaker 2: when people are listening back to this and he's on
Speaker 2: a different team. So I'm gonna buy Etn because he's
Speaker 2: definitely the cheapest. I want no part of Jonte Williams,
Speaker 2: so I'm selling him, and then Hubbard, you just got
Speaker 2: a hold. I mean you can't. The window to sell
Speaker 2: him is long overdue. Like you can't sell as you
Speaker 2: can try, but I don't think you're gonna get much
Speaker 2: for him. So look, maybe he still continues to just
Speaker 2: be the guy Brooks gets reinjured or something and they
Speaker 2: just don't use him. So that's why Hubbard. I would
Speaker 2: just hold onto the production. Maybe it works out, but
Speaker 2: I don't think you can sell him. I'm not trying
Speaker 2: to buy Hubbard with Brooks coming back Welsh.
Speaker 3: What do you think co sign autograph put my autograph
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Speaker 3: tell you the most definitive is being done with Javonte Williams.
Speaker 3: That's like the easiest piece here, That's been easy for
Speaker 3: a long time around these parts. On the other side,
Speaker 3: like Eten's not really a bye outside of like what
Speaker 3: you're saying. If he were to be traded, that could
Speaker 3: be exciting. Cowboys would have made a lot of sense.
Speaker 3: That would kind of excite you. He is talented, he's
Speaker 3: probably the most. I mean, I guess you could argue
Speaker 3: with Cuba here, but yeah, easy stuff here is like
Speaker 3: I'll buy Etan because it's a nothing burger and there's
Speaker 3: still a lot of season left. Cuba is in a
Speaker 3: strict hold. Maybe Jonathan Brooks never plays, but I think
Speaker 3: et And and Cuba are way closer to buy and hold
Speaker 3: than it is with Javonta Williams, who is the clearest
Speaker 3: of clear cells.
Speaker 2: I will say with ETN two weeks fifteen sixteen, it's
Speaker 2: Jets Raiders. So if he is on Jacksonville still, then
Speaker 2: those are two good matchups between him and Bigsby. Knows
Speaker 2: how this backfold's gonna shake out? Who knows Doug Pearson
Speaker 2: is even the coach at that point, so just but again,
Speaker 2: he's dirt cheap.
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