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Speaker 1: you tonight. Prince Charles is boiling out of control. Reparations
Speaker 1: are finally here for one black family, and Supreme Court
Speaker 1: has learned the error of its ways and vowed to
Speaker 1: do better. Now, I'm just kidding. They're gonna kill us all,
Speaker 1: so let's do those people. Let's jump straight into today's headlines. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's kick things off with the Supreme Court. America's got
Speaker 1: talent but for laws and stuff. From the moment Amy
Speaker 1: Coney Barrett was sworn in, it was only a matter
Speaker 1: of time before the Supreme Court started restoring America back
Speaker 1: to its factory settings, and in the last few weeks
Speaker 1: they decided that church and states should get a little cozier.
Speaker 1: They decided that America's real gun problem is that they
Speaker 1: aren't enough of them. And they decided that coochies are
Speaker 1: state property. And today, as they were closing out their term,
Speaker 1: they decided this the big news out of the U.
Speaker 1: Supreme Corps. The High Court just handing down their final
Speaker 1: two decisions of this historic term. First, a major environmental case,
Speaker 1: the Court deciding six to three in favor of are
Speaker 1: curbing the e PAS authority to regulate greenhouse gas emissions.
Speaker 1: This is a big setback for the Biden administration for
Speaker 1: its efforts to restrict global warming. Wait, wait what? The
Speaker 1: Supreme Court ruled that the Environmental Protection Agency does not
Speaker 1: have the authority to protect the environment. So what is
Speaker 1: their job now? It's gonna look at the environments and
Speaker 1: be like, oh shit, all right, that was a good
Speaker 1: dad work. You guys want to get some drinks. And
Speaker 1: by the way, I don't know if if it's the
Speaker 1: same for you. It's always weird to me how the
Speaker 1: news in America frames some of these stories. You know, like,
Speaker 1: this is a defeat for the Biden administration, It is
Speaker 1: a defeat for human life. I'm not gonna do abiden,
Speaker 1: do you realize if we don't get under control, climate
Speaker 1: change is gonna wipe us off the planet? Right and
Speaker 1: still these news anchors are gonna be underwater like will
Speaker 1: the Will the wise and she levels hurt, but they're
Speaker 1: craft want to help the Republicans in the mental loans.
Speaker 1: And by the way, by the way, just so you understand,
Speaker 1: this ruling might not just be about the carbon emissions.
Speaker 1: A lot of experts believe the logic of today's ruling
Speaker 1: makes it harder for the government to regulate anything unless
Speaker 1: Congress specifically passes a law to do it. Because you see,
Speaker 1: right now, a lot of regulations are made by agencies
Speaker 1: like like the f d A they will handle like food,
Speaker 1: you know, the CDC with public health, the b RB
Speaker 1: with ignoring text messages, and and I know these agencies
Speaker 1: aren't perfect, don't get me wrong, but could you imagine
Speaker 1: if Congress had to approve like vaccines. Imagine if you
Speaker 1: had to wait for them, it would have never happened.
Speaker 1: Which still will be locked in our houses clapping out
Speaker 1: of our windows because Congress couldn't convince Margery Taylor Green
Speaker 1: that needles weren't actually a space alien conspiracy, then where
Speaker 1: did they come from? The one thing that's clear is
Speaker 1: that from environmental regulations to a bore and two guns,
Speaker 1: to school prayer, to vote to rights, this is one
Speaker 1: of the most radical Supreme Courts in American history. And
Speaker 1: by the way, people agree on that from across the
Speaker 1: political spectrum. You know, Rachel Maddow was like, this is
Speaker 1: so radical, and Sean Hannity is like, this is so radical.
Speaker 1: And they're also imposing their power on a country that
Speaker 1: foremost part, for the most part, isn't on board with
Speaker 1: any of it, right, which is why many liberals are
Speaker 1: now calling for some major reforms, like adding more seats
Speaker 1: to the courts, or imposing term limits or setting up
Speaker 1: a trap for brit Kavanaugh. Do never know or my work,
Speaker 1: but let's move on. Let's move on from the people
Speaker 1: handing down the judgments to the people receiving them. This
Speaker 1: week we saw two major sex trafficking cases come to
Speaker 1: an end. One was with R. Kelly r and b
Speaker 1: Legend and guy we wished had stayed trapped in a closet,
Speaker 1: and the other was Gilline Maxwell window was van in
Speaker 1: human form. And the good news is the good news
Speaker 1: is they're gonna have a long time to think about
Speaker 1: what they've done. Grammy winning singer and songwriter r Kelly
Speaker 1: has been sentenced to thirty years in prison for racketeering
Speaker 1: and sex trafficking. Kelly was convicted of running a criminal
Speaker 1: enterprise that recruited women and young girls for sex. Twenty
Speaker 1: years behind bars for convicted sex trafficker Delaye Maxwell. The
Speaker 1: sixty year old was found guilty of conspiring with the
Speaker 1: late financier and convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein to sexually
Speaker 1: abuse and traffic young girls. Yeah, that's right. R Kelly
Speaker 1: is getting thirty years in prison and Delaine Maxwell is
Speaker 1: getting twenty and once again we see that women only
Speaker 1: earning two thirds of what men get. Shame on you, America,
Speaker 1: Shame on you. She did all that work and Jeffrey Epstein,
Speaker 1: a man, still got all the credits. Not to mention,
Speaker 1: she gets sentences for twenty years. But Jeffrey Epstein, he
Speaker 1: was in prison for what a few weeks? Huh, and
Speaker 1: then Hilary got him out. Uh. You know what's crazy
Speaker 1: about this what's crazy about this thing is how everyone
Speaker 1: has a conspiracy theory about Jeffrey Epstein who's gonna come
Speaker 1: from Gilaine Maxwell, everyone. But what I've noticed is it
Speaker 1: depends on what people's politics is a right some of people,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be Donald Trump, It's gonna be Hillary that
Speaker 1: I'll kill it. It's gonna be the Royal family Illuminati.
Speaker 1: You're not just thinking wouldn't it be funny if everyone
Speaker 1: was right? Like what if all these powerful people were
Speaker 1: involved and then like they will bump into each other
Speaker 1: on the way to Gilead? Maxwell South, you know, there's
Speaker 1: a get thing. It's like, oh my god, crook at Hillary,
Speaker 1: what are you doing here? Where you also so embarrassing?
Speaker 1: I was gonna o in the queen as well, what
Speaker 1: are you doing? It's an honor? And she's like, Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm just here to protect my embarrassing son. You know
Speaker 1: what that's like? Donald Eric is not my son. He's
Speaker 1: not my son. Don't say that as he is sold sentenced.
Speaker 1: Are any senses And I'll tell you what, Whichever prison R.
Speaker 1: Kelly is going to is getting a major upgrade. Say
Speaker 1: what you want. That dude is going to dominate the
Speaker 1: prison talent show. Yeah, I'm sorry the guy who won
Speaker 1: last year. Nobody gives a shit about your juggling act now.
Speaker 1: In fact, whichever prison Arkelly goes to, they've been to
Speaker 1: jack up the security because once r Kelly sings, I
Speaker 1: don't care how much you hate him, nobody can stop.
Speaker 1: No one can stop themselves from dancing. Yeah, let's start
Speaker 1: singing step in the name of love, and the gods
Speaker 1: are gonna be like steph step somebody stopping round and round.
Speaker 1: No stop can bring it back. Can't let me see,
Speaker 1: nobody can stop. By the way, I wish they would
Speaker 1: have given us that song and taken Arkelly with it,
Speaker 1: like the song is so good. The ship just said
Speaker 1: the song. That song did nothing. You could have adopted
Speaker 1: the song like a child. I'll look after this song.
Speaker 1: But anyway, Yeah, justice has been served, and let this
Speaker 1: be a lesson to other prominent sex traffickers. The law
Speaker 1: will catch up with you after letting you totally get
Speaker 1: away with it for like twenty five years. You watch out,
Speaker 1: you watch out, doesn't matter. As Kelly Delaine Maxwell with
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein, the Prince and speaking of the royal family
Speaker 1: this week. This week we found out that Prince Charles,
Speaker 1: the Queen's slightly less embarrassing son has a very unusual
Speaker 1: way of funding his charities. Royal sources say tonight the
Speaker 1: Prince Charles will no longer personally handle large cash donations
Speaker 1: for his charities. The Prince came under fire over reports
Speaker 1: he'd been handed a cash donation totaling three million euros,
Speaker 1: some of it stuffed into a suitcase from a former
Speaker 1: Quatari prime minister several years ago. Clarence House, which is
Speaker 1: where Prince Charles lives, says the money was all charitable donations.
Speaker 1: Clarence House says it followed the correct processes regarding those donations.
Speaker 1: Royal officials say they dispute many of the details in
Speaker 1: that report. Yeah, so, in case you're a little bit lost.
Speaker 1: It turns out after an investigation they found that Prince
Speaker 1: Charles had received suitcases full of cash from a Qatari right,
Speaker 1: and he was like, this is for my charity. And
Speaker 1: now says I I realized this was wrong and I
Speaker 1: will now no longer do it. But I love how
Speaker 1: they say Prince Charles will no longer accept suitcases full
Speaker 1: of cash, like he just realized this was a shady
Speaker 1: thing to do. He's like, all right, all right, no
Speaker 1: cash in a suitcase from now on, it's just bags
Speaker 1: of cocaine. Okay, come on, I can't do anything. Come on,
Speaker 1: come on, How do you can act like this is
Speaker 1: the first time you figured it, Like I don't care
Speaker 1: what it's for, suitcase full of cash. It's always shady.
Speaker 1: If your grandmother gives you five dollars for your birthday,
Speaker 1: but she slips it to you in a suitcase, your
Speaker 1: grandmother is up to some ship because they say this
Speaker 1: was for Prince Charles's charity. My only question is what
Speaker 1: kind of charity is it that needs to be paid
Speaker 1: in all cash? Huh? What is it got its headquarters
Speaker 1: in a strip clubs? Like this money will do a
Speaker 1: lot of help against poverty. In fact, here comes poverty
Speaker 1: right now here you go poverty. Shake that aut scirl,
Speaker 1: shake it, shake it, poverty check. And you know, if
Speaker 1: this is one of those things that shows you the
Speaker 1: difference between normal people and really powerful people, all right,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if it's Prince Charles or American politicians
Speaker 1: African presidents. Right, they just get to say, we made
Speaker 1: an error in judgment, and so we're going to use
Speaker 1: this money to spend some time in central pay thinking
Speaker 1: about where we've done We're so sorry. But as a
Speaker 1: regular person, if the government finds you with the suitcase
Speaker 1: full of cash from anywhere anywhere, don't apologize. It probably
Speaker 1: gonna end up with the front row seat to one
Speaker 1: of those R. Kelly prison concerts. That's where your group
Speaker 1: this hide step. Don't play around, Okay, finally let's move
Speaker 1: on to move on to a good story about people
Speaker 1: getting tons of money. Now, many people may or may
Speaker 1: not know this, but there was a time in America
Speaker 1: where black people have their rights and property taken away
Speaker 1: from them, and it was a period known as all
Speaker 1: of human history. And that may seem as a shock
Speaker 1: for many of you to hear, especially if you go
Speaker 1: to school in Florida, but it is true, and unfortunately,
Speaker 1: most black people who lost their land have had no
Speaker 1: way to find justice, but often only one hundred years.
Speaker 1: One family in Manhattan Beach, California is finally getting a
Speaker 1: little of what they deserve. Prime southern California beach front
Speaker 1: property is being returned towards rightful and original owners. More
Speaker 1: than a hundred years after officials actually took this land
Speaker 1: from a black family. L A County leaders voted to
Speaker 1: give it back to the descendants. The property was originally
Speaker 1: bought in nineteen twelve. The original owners turned it into
Speaker 1: a resort for black family since they were barred from
Speaker 1: many of the beaches. White neighbors soon targeted that property
Speaker 1: with racist threats and harassment. The city eventually sees the
Speaker 1: property nine, claiming eminent domain. Well, now the county is
Speaker 1: going to lease the land back to the current errors
Speaker 1: and then give them the option to sell it for
Speaker 1: themselves down the road. The Bruce family originally bought that
Speaker 1: land for just over Now it's worth about twenty million. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's right. That is amazing. That is amazing. Long time
Speaker 1: coming through the government is giving these people back their land.
Speaker 1: Although that's just proof that climate change is real. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the government is like, you know what,
Speaker 1: the ocean for property can go back to the black people. Here,
Speaker 1: take it, take it, take it, take it. You're like, why,
Speaker 1: don't worry, don't worry. Take you No, no, no, but
Speaker 1: for real, for real, this is great news. It's great
Speaker 1: news for that family, great news for justice. And it's
Speaker 1: especially exciting because now there's a black beach. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: I've seen white beaches. They've got people surfing, playing volleyball, sunbathing.
Speaker 1: You know, but this is gonna be a lat beach
Speaker 1: and you know what that's gonna be, like, it's gonna
Speaker 1: have people surfing, playing volleyball Sunday. What did you think
Speaker 1: I was gonna say? H he thought it's gonna be
Speaker 1: different cause of black. You racist? Everyone of even thought
Speaker 1: something you racist. But you've got a black Peach's gonna
Speaker 1: have drive bys and people yelling at the movie street
Speaker 1: and you can't yourself. I'd like to relay racism traps
Speaker 1: just to see who comes out anyway. This is the thing.
Speaker 1: That's the thing people don't seem to realize, right with
Speaker 1: the story. The property is now worth twenty million dollars,
Speaker 1: right was bought for twelve dred back and like the
Speaker 1: nineteen twenties. And that's what people don't get is how
Speaker 1: Black Americans have been held back. Right. People always say,
Speaker 1: people always say, oh, come on, can't we move on
Speaker 1: in this country? That was a long time ago, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: And in that time black Americans could have built wealth.
Speaker 1: That's what the whole part the fine. You see this
Speaker 1: all over America, all over the United States. You see this.
Speaker 1: I mean, look at New York people are living in
Speaker 1: brownstones that are worth twenty million dollars because they're great
Speaker 1: grandparents bought it for like three chickens. That's money now, right.
Speaker 1: You can use that as leverage, you can get student loans,
Speaker 1: you can buy other things. That's money. And it shows
Speaker 1: you how powerful generational wealth is. If it's taken away
Speaker 1: from you, it can cripple your family forever. It's like
Speaker 1: how anything that happened generations ago can still affect you today.
Speaker 1: Like if your great grandfather spent like your entire family
Speaker 1: savings and and and bought Coca Cola stock back in
Speaker 1: y you set for life. But if your great grandfather
Speaker 1: bought our c Cola stock back in the nineteen twenties,
Speaker 1: well that's probably why you're working two jobs, you know.
Speaker 1: And it's like, we talk so much about systemic problems,
Speaker 1: but generational wealth is a systemic solution. So people don't see.
Speaker 1: You want this to happen. You want society. You want
Speaker 1: society to give everyone a chance to build on generations
Speaker 1: of success so that eventually families of all races can
Speaker 1: come together to avoid paying a state text together. It's powerful.
Speaker 1: It's inspiration, all right, That's what the headlines. But before
Speaker 1: we go to a quick break, let's check it on
Speaker 1: the stock markets. Finance expert Michael cost to everybody. Good
Speaker 1: to see you, Michael. I know, I know it's been crazy.
Speaker 1: What what what is happening in the market today? Well, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm crushing the market. I mean I am, seriously, even
Speaker 1: when I lose money, I make money, alright. So and
Speaker 1: I got a hot tip for you. And I got
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Speaker 1: this is the last day of second quarter trading, and
Speaker 1: this is a bad quarter. Okay. I haven't seen a
Speaker 1: quarter this bad since my dog swallowed a quarter. Okay,
Speaker 1: and I was at the bodega. I was twenty five
Speaker 1: cents short for a bag of chips, so I just
Speaker 1: had to wait for him to shift it out. Okay.
Speaker 1: What can I say? I love cool Ranch de Rito's. Okay,
Speaker 1: But Trevor, look, look, look, thanks for clapping of that.
Speaker 1: Look this this is a brutal chart. I mean this
Speaker 1: looks like the flight pattern of three pigeons on Ayahuasca. Okay. Now,
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Speaker 1: take a look at this chart right here, This this
Speaker 1: looks like one of their deflating air mattresses that they sell.
Speaker 1: I mean, it starts out pretty good. Then you sit
Speaker 1: on it the first time, and you know the problem
Speaker 1: with Bed, Bath and Beyond is they didn't adjust their
Speaker 1: business model. They say they're a home good store. Nobody
Speaker 1: can afford to buy a home anymore, am I right?
Speaker 1: You know? Now, Oh, that story about the black family
Speaker 1: getting their beach back, that's an amazing story. I love
Speaker 1: that story. I mean that is as a white man,
Speaker 1: I support that story. You know, I'm serious. They were
Speaker 1: there first, they they owned it. You know. Now it
Speaker 1: does bring up a question that I have for the
Speaker 1: black community. Okay, does that mean that you're gonna give
Speaker 1: us back the NBA, or the NFL, or or the
Speaker 1: Daily Show? I promise you a hot tip? All right?
Speaker 1: The stock markets trash, Throw your money in a suitcase.
Speaker 1: I'm Michael Gott. This is probably my last day. When
Speaker 1: we come back, we're gonna be discussing whether transgender athletes
Speaker 1: should be allowed to compete in smokes. So don't go away.
Speaker 1: I'm welcome back to the day to show. Pride Month
Speaker 1: is coming to an end today, But that doesn't mean
Speaker 1: the conversations around gay and trans rights need to stop
Speaker 1: until next year. So to keep the conversation going on
Speaker 1: our end, I want to introduce Veronika Ivy. She's a
Speaker 1: transgender rights activist who is the first out trans woman
Speaker 1: to an attract Cycling World Championship. Please welcome Veronica Ivy scosselfp.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna say from the top, because I've noticed
Speaker 1: this happens in every conversation every time you bring up
Speaker 1: trans rights or if you have a discussion and you
Speaker 1: say trans people tense up. I understand why we live
Speaker 1: in a world where now there are people who are
Speaker 1: so transphobic that it makes it almost impossible for people
Speaker 1: who aren't to ask any questions, to have any conversations,
Speaker 1: to have any discourse that doesn't lump them in with transphobia.
Speaker 1: And so I'm really glad that you're joining us on
Speaker 1: the show to talk about this because it feels like
Speaker 1: one of the biggest issues in America and yet no
Speaker 1: one can seem to talk about it. So let's start
Speaker 1: with your journey. Um, you've competed at some of the
Speaker 1: highest levels in sports, and you know as your hood.
Speaker 1: He says, sport is a human right that that is,
Speaker 1: that is what you believe in Talk me through. Talk
Speaker 1: me through just a little bit of of why you
Speaker 1: believe fighting for transgender athletes to compete in the catch
Speaker 1: regories they'd like to in sport is so important. So
Speaker 1: it's a fundamental tenant of like the Olympic movement that
Speaker 1: sport is a human rights. So in their Olympic Charter,
Speaker 1: in their fourth Fundamental Principle of Olympics UM, they say
Speaker 1: participation in sport is a human right and they mean
Speaker 1: that at the competitive level. So this issue, people like
Speaker 1: to say that it's a complicated issue, and I don't
Speaker 1: actually think it is. I think it's very simple. It
Speaker 1: all boils down to do you actually think that trans
Speaker 1: women and intersex women are real women and are really
Speaker 1: female or not? And if you do, it's very simple,
Speaker 1: just stop policing who counts as a real woman. Because
Speaker 1: this has had history of racism built into it over
Speaker 1: the years. It's not an accident that the intersex athletes
Speaker 1: who get singled out are women of color from the
Speaker 1: global South, because who gets singled out for scrutiny is
Speaker 1: based on white women's conceptions of femininity, and that's being
Speaker 1: weaponized against trans people too, So it's a fear of
Speaker 1: protecting the fragile, weak cis white woman from the rest
Speaker 1: of us. So there are many elements to what you've said,
Speaker 1: which I appreciate, so let's try to break them down.
Speaker 1: One thing that confuses me personally is it seems like
Speaker 1: we have discussions about who should participate in which category
Speaker 1: and how. You know, on the face of it, it
Speaker 1: seems simple, as you say, you know, if somebody identifies
Speaker 1: as a woman, if they transgender, they can compete against
Speaker 1: women who are born biologically and and then if not,
Speaker 1: then not. But then there are many who would argue
Speaker 1: who are not transferbs. There are many who born biologically
Speaker 1: women who will say, but you have an unnatural advantage
Speaker 1: over me, and that makes sports unfair. How do you
Speaker 1: how do you respond to this? Yeah, there's lots of
Speaker 1: ways you can respond to that. So the first is
Speaker 1: the very language of you were born and I'm not
Speaker 1: biological somehow, like I don't think I'm a cyborg. So
Speaker 1: like this idea that like, oh, you're not a biological woman. Well,
Speaker 1: I am a woman. That's a fact. I am female.
Speaker 1: So all my identity records, my racing license my medical records,
Speaker 1: I'll say female, right, and I'm pretty sure I made
Speaker 1: a biological stuff, so I'm a biological female as well.
Speaker 1: So this question of do trans women have an advantage
Speaker 1: over CIS women, we don't know. Um. In fact, there's
Speaker 1: basically no published research on this question. However, Uh, there's
Speaker 1: good reason to think that there isn't. But I think
Speaker 1: it's irrelevant because we allow all kinds of competitive advantages
Speaker 1: within women's sport. So one example I love to talk
Speaker 1: about is the real Olympic women's high jump final. First
Speaker 1: place was over six ft three, tenth place was five
Speaker 1: ft five, So a ten and a half inch hype
Speaker 1: difference between first and tenth at the Olympics in high jump,
Speaker 1: and we call that fair. So the range of body
Speaker 1: types within the female category is way way bigger than
Speaker 1: anything that could be attributed to trans women. So if
Speaker 1: there's an advantage, and I'm not saying that there is
Speaker 1: for trans women and women's sport, it's not an unfair advantage.
Speaker 1: But also, we've been competing at trying to compete at
Speaker 1: the highest level for decades, would be allowed to compete
Speaker 1: for decades, and no one has won an elite World championship.
Speaker 1: No one has won an Olympic gold medal. This Tokyo
Speaker 1: Olympics was the first time trans women even qualified for
Speaker 1: the Olympics. So this idea that trans women are suddenly
Speaker 1: going to take over women's sport is an irrational fear
Speaker 1: of trans women, which is the dictionary definition of transphobia.
Speaker 1: So it's interesting that you say that, you know, because
Speaker 1: it's interesting had to say that, because I think if
Speaker 1: if I were to push back or you know, even
Speaker 1: not even playing Devil's advocates, there were there are a
Speaker 1: few things that could be argued. Number One, you could
Speaker 1: argue that although the trans women who competed in the
Speaker 1: Olympics didn't dominate, she did beat a field of women
Speaker 1: who might have qualified for that position, right um. Secondly,
Speaker 1: when you talk about the hype differences, I agree with
Speaker 1: this completely, but there are many who would argue that
Speaker 1: we exist in a state where a lot of the
Speaker 1: surgeries on you, a lot of the technology, just the
Speaker 1: technologies and new. Transgenderism is not new. We know it
Speaker 1: throughout time, We've seen it throughout history. But there are
Speaker 1: many who would say, how do we ensure that we
Speaker 1: are creating some sort of standard. And the reason the
Speaker 1: reason we talked to this, you know we talk about
Speaker 1: this is it's the reason I have to regulate regulator
Speaker 1: performance enhancing drugs. For instance, what is fair? What can
Speaker 1: you drink? What can you not drink? What can you consume?
Speaker 1: What can you not consume um? Some would say if
Speaker 1: you are born that way, that's how sport has determined
Speaker 1: who goes where, And then some would say, no, who
Speaker 1: regardless of who you are, you should be able to compete.
Speaker 1: My question then comes in from a really honestly a
Speaker 1: different place. I look at somebody like Oscar p Stories
Speaker 1: from South Africa, right, he was the double amputee, And
Speaker 1: Oscar Pastorius actually went, well, I want to compete in
Speaker 1: the able bodied race, right, And people like, well, do
Speaker 1: you have an advantage? Do not, etcetera, etcetera, the prosthetics.
Speaker 1: But then could there not be an argument if there
Speaker 1: is no advantage in that, that then trans women should
Speaker 1: be able to compete, but in the men's races them
Speaker 1: because they'd still be able to compete in the sport.
Speaker 1: But they're women and they're female. So, like I said,
Speaker 1: this boils down to our trans women really women? Are
Speaker 1: they really female? Because if you think yes, then we
Speaker 1: belong competing with other women. So it's an extreme and
Speaker 1: dignity to say I believe you're a woman except for sport. Right,
Speaker 1: So you can't single out one of the most important
Speaker 1: facets of our society. We are obsessed with support Athletes
Speaker 1: are some of the most highly praise highly paid people
Speaker 1: on the plant. Differently, so you can't say that, like,
Speaker 1: I believe you and I support you, but not for
Speaker 1: this one really big thing that society really cares about. Right,
Speaker 1: And I'm I'm saying I get confused by why we
Speaker 1: distill it down into just two things. I'll tell you why.
Speaker 1: As we learn about gender being a spectrum, as we
Speaker 1: learn that people can identify in a multitude of ways,
Speaker 1: we accept the fact that we don't have to put
Speaker 1: people into categories of man or woman. You know. That's
Speaker 1: why they say protect trans women's like otherwise, which women
Speaker 1: are you protecting? It's it's it's an argument that doesn't
Speaker 1: separate or diminish anybody, but gives more specificity to what
Speaker 1: people are saying. And so when we talk about these things,
Speaker 1: I sometimes get confused by why we're trying to force
Speaker 1: the people into two again, when we've been taught that
Speaker 1: there isn't a two whereas a sport like let's say boxing,
Speaker 1: for instance, in boxing, people fight across all weight categories.
Speaker 1: They don't just go men's boxing, women's boxing. They go no,
Speaker 1: men heavyweight, super heavyweight, and then they'll be like middleweight,
Speaker 1: bantam weight, flyweight, featherweight. There's like guys who wait nothing
Speaker 1: punching each other. And I mean, jenuine is I've always
Speaker 1: thought to myself, it's interesting how in boxing they went, well,
Speaker 1: we don't just want to see guys fighting, we want
Speaker 1: to see guys fighting at different weights. The UFC does
Speaker 1: the same thing. They go, you're gonna fight in your
Speaker 1: weight class, which has it seems crazy? How can you
Speaker 1: break it down? And yet it's worked. And so I
Speaker 1: wonder if you've ever considered and I'm not saying it's
Speaker 1: your job, by the way, but if you've ever considered it, oh,
Speaker 1: then great, have you ever considered a world where it
Speaker 1: becomes more specific? Then you know the same thing they
Speaker 1: did in the Paralympics. They had to find a way
Speaker 1: where they classified how a single ampute could run against
Speaker 1: somebody who's partially blind or a double emputy and how
Speaker 1: do how do we grate that? So do you not
Speaker 1: think that we're limiting ourselves by saying men's sports women's
Speaker 1: sports when we now know that there's so many more genders.
Speaker 1: So I'm really going to just satisfy you right now,
Speaker 1: But you don't know what I'm looking for those so
Speaker 1: you can't do I know you're looking for something other
Speaker 1: than I'm gonna say, and that That is a very
Speaker 1: important question and a very difficult question, but it's a
Speaker 1: separate question. The question we're talking about is, given how
Speaker 1: sport is currently structured, should we include trans women and
Speaker 1: intersect women in women's sport? And my answer that is
Speaker 1: a clear yes. If you want to say, should we
Speaker 1: revisit how we structure all of sport? I would say, yeah,
Speaker 1: we should do that. But if your only reason for
Speaker 1: doing that is because you can't just accept trans women
Speaker 1: or women, that's a problem. I got with you. I understand,
Speaker 1: and I'm not saying it's not what p No. No,
Speaker 1: I hear what you're saying. No, completely, I completely hear
Speaker 1: what you're saying. So let me ask you this. Then,
Speaker 1: you know, again, eliminating fringes because everything on the internet
Speaker 1: becomes fringe. Everything becomes a fight in an argument. If
Speaker 1: somebody comes to you in good faith and I mean
Speaker 1: genuinely good faith, and they say to you, you know, Veronica,
Speaker 1: I was born a woman, raised a woman. I I've
Speaker 1: suffered or lived in experienced life as a woman. This
Speaker 1: is where I am. This is where my body has
Speaker 1: gotten me to. I've grown as a woman. My bodies
Speaker 1: had the testosterone estrogen that it had to get me
Speaker 1: to this point, and that's why I am here. And
Speaker 1: I feel like you may or may not have the advantage,
Speaker 1: but we don't know yet. So why can't we wait
Speaker 1: to know these things before you compete against me? How
Speaker 1: would you respond to that? Because that's not how human
Speaker 1: rights work. So the way human rights work is that
Speaker 1: the default is inclusion and the burden of proof is
Speaker 1: on the people seeking to exclude, not that people seeking
Speaker 1: to include. So I want to share something shocking with everybody.
Speaker 1: It wasn't until five years ago that we actually studied
Speaker 1: the relationship between natural testosterone and performance, and we found
Speaker 1: that there's no relationship whatsoever between unaltered, natural and doogenous
Speaker 1: testosterone and sport performance. About point five percent of elite
Speaker 1: mail track and field athletes at the World Championship Love
Speaker 1: are below the women's average of testosterone, competing with men
Speaker 1: with eighty a hundred times as much testosterone at no
Speaker 1: competitive disadvantage, and that fact has not been picked up
Speaker 1: by the broader media landscape. So when you say I'm
Speaker 1: a woman and I have this much testosterone, well, first,
Speaker 1: there's a huge range within women into the male range,
Speaker 1: and there is no relationship between her having a competitive
Speaker 1: vantage over women with lower testosterone. So there are elite
Speaker 1: sis men with low testosterone lower than a given woman
Speaker 1: who's out competing her. So our bodies and biology is
Speaker 1: not this simple. We thought it was, and it isn't.
Speaker 1: So we know that when you add testosterone to your
Speaker 1: natural levels, like doping, you tend to get bigger, stronger, faster.
Speaker 1: We also know that when you drop your testosterone levels,
Speaker 1: like trans women tend to do, you tend to get slower.
Speaker 1: But what your natural level is has no relationship to
Speaker 1: your sport performance. And we've been singling out that factor,
Speaker 1: testosterone against the scientific evidence. But I'm a little confusing,
Speaker 1: and forgive me if I'm slow to understand this. You
Speaker 1: just said the natural level doesn't give you an advantage
Speaker 1: or a disadvantage. But you said if people do have
Speaker 1: an addition or subtraction of it, then it does give
Speaker 1: you a disadvantage or an advantage. Well, it affects things.
Speaker 1: So for example, like my body doesn't produce testosterone, and
Speaker 1: it hasn't for a decade, but I switched sports from
Speaker 1: a road cycling event to a track power event, and
Speaker 1: I switched training, and I put on twenty five pounds
Speaker 1: of muscle and I went from being able to squat
Speaker 1: one seventy two. So I don't produce a testosterone and
Speaker 1: I squat a lot and that's just because I change training.
Speaker 1: So it's not so simple as okay, if you drop
Speaker 1: your testosterone, you will get weaker. Because if you change
Speaker 1: your training, your diet, your rest, recovery, your sport, your
Speaker 1: performance can change. Your body will change. It seems like
Speaker 1: we're always going to end up in a cul de
Speaker 1: sec because many people use it as a cudgel. I've
Speaker 1: realized to scare people, Oh, the transgenders are coming for you,
Speaker 1: your both through and your sport to everything. Be careful
Speaker 1: what you say. Um. But but it feels like there
Speaker 1: are many discussions to be had. It feels like as
Speaker 1: you said, you know, the research, the science, everything hasn't
Speaker 1: caught up. But I appreciate you for coming on the
Speaker 1: show and discussing this with us. Thank you so much
Speaker 1: for joining us. All Right, we're gonna take a quick right,
Speaker 1: but we're right back with one of the stall Probably
Speaker 1: want to come over with one of the things. Will
Speaker 1: part up to this. Welcome back to the Day Show.
Speaker 1: My next guest is an Emmy nominated actor you know
Speaker 1: from the hit show Queen's Gambit. She is now parts
Speaker 1: of the legendary Star Wars franchise, starring in the Disney
Speaker 1: Plus mini series obi Wan Kenobi, please welcome Mosa Singroom.
Speaker 1: Please please, Mosa Singer welcomes to the Daily Show. Thank you.
Speaker 1: You're going through an amazing, amazing period Queen's Gambits now,
Speaker 1: obi Wan Kenobi. You you have one of the most
Speaker 1: interesting IMDb pages because you graduated in and then it's
Speaker 1: just been hit, hit hit. That's great. That's the secret.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think there is a secret.
Speaker 1: But there are still bad days, like like early on,
Speaker 1: I had this really bad audition and I tried to
Speaker 1: put myself into my trunk. Do you ever have like
Speaker 1: bad days where you're like trying where you put yourself
Speaker 1: into your trunk. Yeah, well no, not there, you put
Speaker 1: yourself into your but you just need to know where
Speaker 1: everything is, Like you need a really small space. I've
Speaker 1: heard people talk about this, but I've so once. I
Speaker 1: was out with a friend. We're in a park for
Speaker 1: a very long time, and then he said, can we
Speaker 1: go back to the hotel? I would like to lie
Speaker 1: in a bathtub exactly. It was like, you want to
Speaker 1: take a bath and he said no, I just want
Speaker 1: to be in a small space. And I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is the craziest thing I've ever heard. But now
Speaker 1: I'll tell him that I met someone else trunk of
Speaker 1: my car. Yeah, I tried, do you close it? Or well?
Speaker 1: So it's a it was a hatbag at the time,
Speaker 1: and some regular cars you can like pull the latch,
Speaker 1: but I ended up looking stupid because you can't pull
Speaker 1: the hatchback. So you're just like, I love the idea
Speaker 1: that somebody was watching this happening and then they call
Speaker 1: and they go high. I think someone's kidnapping themselves. What
Speaker 1: to do with this? But but it has been it
Speaker 1: really has been an amazing journey. You know, everyone who
Speaker 1: joins the Star Wars franchise says, it's just it's it's
Speaker 1: a galaxy that is really well, some of the some
Speaker 1: of the most loyal fans. You know, you're part of
Speaker 1: this giant franchise. When you knew you were going to
Speaker 1: be a part of it, you must have been excited.
Speaker 1: But then I heard that you had never watched any
Speaker 1: of the Star Wars movies. No, I had, I have
Speaker 1: now I have now given how, I just don't know how.
Speaker 1: I'm not even judging here. I just don't know how.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess I just didn't come from
Speaker 1: a family who did. I knew who they were, A
Speaker 1: new Darth Vader, I knew Obi Wan, but I didn't
Speaker 1: I didn't see any none of them. Now that you've seen,
Speaker 1: do you have a favorite? Like which one? Um? Probably
Speaker 1: Revenge of This is okay, okay, I like this, Like
Speaker 1: all right, this is good, this is good. I thought
Speaker 1: you were going to be like Judge of Binks was
Speaker 1: my favorite, and I'll be like, we have a we
Speaker 1: have a fight. UM. I love that you You've just
Speaker 1: joined the franchise and already you're making an impact. We
Speaker 1: saw in that clip, and you see if you watch
Speaker 1: the show, your character's hair is almost part of her.
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's it's it's like, it looks futuristic. Obviously,
Speaker 1: you know Black people like, well, that's hair. We know
Speaker 1: it's it looks cool, it looks greaturistic. You actually influenced
Speaker 1: that hair decision because originally the character was supposed to
Speaker 1: have like just straight hair, right. Yeah. Originally, like there
Speaker 1: was a wig and it was like doing a thing.
Speaker 1: But it's a real testament to our director Debra Chow,
Speaker 1: who really welcomed me into the process of making her
Speaker 1: who she would be um and he was really important
Speaker 1: to me. Like if a kid wanted to be me
Speaker 1: for Halloween, it would be weird to me if they
Speaker 1: had to wear a wig because I wore a wig
Speaker 1: when I have hair like them, you know, And so
Speaker 1: you got the head. I love that. I like that.
Speaker 1: This is something I've always wanted to know from somebody
Speaker 1: in the Star Wars universe because they put the sound
Speaker 1: effects in afterwards. So when when you're fighting, what do
Speaker 1: you make the sound? Because I make the sound. I
Speaker 1: can't do that. Do you do you do? Somebody do
Speaker 1: it for you? Guys? Yeah, I make the sound, but
Speaker 1: actually in rehearsal. Now they have these really cool ones
Speaker 1: that make the sound when you swear they do. It's
Speaker 1: my Amazon, can get it on I can get it
Speaker 1: on Amazon. I can buy a lightsaber that makes the sound.
Speaker 1: Actually it mustn't do when I'm not swinging. Then I
Speaker 1: look stupid. No like positive though, So you don't want
Speaker 1: to just like and then okay if you don't mean to, Okay,
Speaker 1: don't move if you don't mean How long do you
Speaker 1: have to train for those fight scenes? Oh? We trained
Speaker 1: for about four months, nine in total, of you count
Speaker 1: while we were shooting, So it was it was a process.
Speaker 1: So if you got into a fight in the streets
Speaker 1: and there was like a lightsaberish type object, you'd kick
Speaker 1: some ask I think I'd do. Okay, you're amazing. Thank
Speaker 1: you so much for being on the show. Congratulations on
Speaker 1: Star Wars. Please getting all episodes, but over one to
Speaker 1: movies are available on buggy Cloth mother singing. Everybody want
Speaker 1: to think Chris all the right back? All right, everybody,
Speaker 1: Well that's our show for tonight. Thank you so much
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