1 00:00:07,266 --> 00:00:09,706 Speaker 1: The Season with Peter Scheger is a production of the 2 00:00:09,786 --> 00:00:24,986 Speaker 1: NFL in partnership with iHeartRadio. What's Up, everybody, Welcome to 3 00:00:25,026 --> 00:00:26,546 Speaker 1: the season with Peter Scheger. 4 00:00:26,666 --> 00:00:31,026 Speaker 2: This is the calm before the storm. This is the 5 00:00:31,066 --> 00:00:35,426 Speaker 2: week after preseason before the regular season. Everyone kind of 6 00:00:35,426 --> 00:00:37,426 Speaker 2: catches their breath. No, it used to not be this way. 7 00:00:37,426 --> 00:00:39,826 Speaker 2: It used to be you'd make final cuts on Labor 8 00:00:39,906 --> 00:00:42,986 Speaker 2: Day and then Week one was like in four days later. 9 00:00:43,066 --> 00:00:46,826 Speaker 2: Now they moved from four preseason games to three preseason games. 10 00:00:46,826 --> 00:00:50,226 Speaker 2: They finished the final preseason game. Make your cuts by Tuesday. 11 00:00:50,546 --> 00:00:54,306 Speaker 2: You have a full weekend and then you have a 12 00:00:54,426 --> 00:00:57,986 Speaker 2: full week to prepare for your Week one. Opponents some 13 00:00:58,106 --> 00:01:00,826 Speaker 2: surprises on cut day. I did. Look, I'm just plugged 14 00:01:00,866 --> 00:01:02,306 Speaker 2: in with the Rams, anybody. I was a little surprised 15 00:01:02,346 --> 00:01:04,906 Speaker 2: they traded twenty four year old linebacker Ernest Jones to 16 00:01:04,906 --> 00:01:07,746 Speaker 2: the Tennessee Titans. But nothing, you know, with all the 17 00:01:07,786 --> 00:01:10,386 Speaker 2: contracts that they have to pay eventually, nothing surprised me 18 00:01:10,426 --> 00:01:13,906 Speaker 2: at the Rams. I'm sure they have a reason behind 19 00:01:13,946 --> 00:01:16,586 Speaker 2: that move. Cedee Lamb got his deal. If anything else, 20 00:01:16,586 --> 00:01:18,586 Speaker 2: are surprised it took so long. It seems like he 21 00:01:18,666 --> 00:01:21,626 Speaker 2: missed all of training camp. They had this long, you know, 22 00:01:22,266 --> 00:01:24,386 Speaker 2: drawn out process with it hovering, and then he got 23 00:01:24,386 --> 00:01:28,106 Speaker 2: his money anyway, and Jerry seemed to be beating his 24 00:01:28,226 --> 00:01:30,146 Speaker 2: chest a little bit afterwards. But it's like I could 25 00:01:30,146 --> 00:01:32,666 Speaker 2: have done that when Jefferson got his and you could 26 00:01:32,666 --> 00:01:35,906 Speaker 2: have had CD at camp all summer. I curiously how 27 00:01:35,906 --> 00:01:37,986 Speaker 2: he comes out week one having not played with the 28 00:01:38,026 --> 00:01:40,786 Speaker 2: rest of the team all summer. All right, So the 29 00:01:40,866 --> 00:01:43,306 Speaker 2: question I'm getting the most the last few weeks is 30 00:01:43,346 --> 00:01:45,346 Speaker 2: what's up with Hassan Reddick and the Jets? And I 31 00:01:45,346 --> 00:01:48,306 Speaker 2: could tell you it's It's the same answer I had 32 00:01:48,346 --> 00:01:50,546 Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago. Nothing's up with Hassan Reddick 33 00:01:50,546 --> 00:01:52,826 Speaker 2: in the Jets. Right now it is at a stalemate, 34 00:01:52,946 --> 00:01:55,826 Speaker 2: and the Jets they're not shaken about it. Let me 35 00:01:55,866 --> 00:01:58,386 Speaker 2: explain the Jets made a trade and whether it was 36 00:01:58,426 --> 00:02:01,146 Speaker 2: ill advised to trade for Hassan Reddick without a contract 37 00:02:01,186 --> 00:02:03,826 Speaker 2: being done or not. They brought him in, passed his physical, 38 00:02:03,906 --> 00:02:05,746 Speaker 2: did a press conference, they haven't seen him in the 39 00:02:05,746 --> 00:02:10,066 Speaker 2: building since the players, they're not connected to Hassan Redick 40 00:02:10,066 --> 00:02:11,826 Speaker 2: the player. They might know he's a good pass rusher, 41 00:02:11,826 --> 00:02:14,706 Speaker 2: but they're not limited breathing with them every day. Meanwhile, 42 00:02:14,746 --> 00:02:17,986 Speaker 2: the Jets have one of the best defensive lines in 43 00:02:18,066 --> 00:02:20,866 Speaker 2: all of football, and it was showcased this summer in 44 00:02:20,906 --> 00:02:23,426 Speaker 2: practice and in training camp, but also in the preseason 45 00:02:23,426 --> 00:02:26,506 Speaker 2: game where they were so loaded that they ended up 46 00:02:26,586 --> 00:02:32,986 Speaker 2: keeping three different undrafted players from this rookie class on 47 00:02:33,066 --> 00:02:36,226 Speaker 2: the final fifty three. I'm talking about Leonard Taylor out 48 00:02:36,226 --> 00:02:39,426 Speaker 2: of Miami, i am talking about Braden McGregor at of Michigan, 49 00:02:39,746 --> 00:02:41,906 Speaker 2: and I'm talking about Eric Watts at a Yukon. So 50 00:02:41,986 --> 00:02:44,186 Speaker 2: now you take those three players, you added the veteran 51 00:02:44,266 --> 00:02:47,426 Speaker 2: Tac McKinley. You've got Solomon Thomas, You've got Will McDonald, 52 00:02:47,666 --> 00:02:50,306 Speaker 2: you got Jermaine Johnson, you got Quinn Williams, you got 53 00:02:50,386 --> 00:02:53,826 Speaker 2: Javon Kinlaw, and you've got Michael Clemens. And you're telling 54 00:02:53,906 --> 00:02:56,586 Speaker 2: me what's going on with Hassan Redick the Jets, maybe 55 00:02:56,586 --> 00:02:58,906 Speaker 2: the strength of their team is defensive line. Hassan Reddick 56 00:02:58,986 --> 00:03:01,706 Speaker 2: is a wonderful thing to have, but right now the 57 00:03:01,786 --> 00:03:03,946 Speaker 2: Jets are not shaking in their boots. So for Hassan Redick, 58 00:03:03,986 --> 00:03:07,146 Speaker 2: if he's there, amazing, they'll be happy. But they still 59 00:03:07,146 --> 00:03:09,026 Speaker 2: feel like they have one of the best offensive lines 60 00:03:09,066 --> 00:03:12,786 Speaker 2: in football, and these players they're ready to go to battle. 61 00:03:14,026 --> 00:03:18,226 Speaker 2: I U Trent Williams. These are dragging on as we 62 00:03:18,306 --> 00:03:20,466 Speaker 2: record this on a Wednesday morning. I don't know if 63 00:03:20,506 --> 00:03:22,626 Speaker 2: either one of those is coming in before the season starts. 64 00:03:22,626 --> 00:03:24,746 Speaker 2: Everyone assumes that they will both get done because the 65 00:03:24,826 --> 00:03:27,106 Speaker 2: Niners do take care of business, and they'll take it 66 00:03:27,106 --> 00:03:29,306 Speaker 2: to the wire and they'll just figure it out. Now, 67 00:03:29,506 --> 00:03:32,866 Speaker 2: you thinks Tricky though he wants wide receiver won money, 68 00:03:32,866 --> 00:03:34,946 Speaker 2: he hasn't budged from that. Although I heard things were 69 00:03:34,946 --> 00:03:38,466 Speaker 2: a little closer to a deal, or that conversations have 70 00:03:38,626 --> 00:03:42,906 Speaker 2: warmed over the last few days or a few weeks. 71 00:03:43,226 --> 00:03:47,306 Speaker 2: I don't see that happening today necessarily unless something major 72 00:03:47,386 --> 00:03:52,466 Speaker 2: breaks through. I presented this on on X. All right, 73 00:03:52,506 --> 00:03:54,386 Speaker 2: this is what we do in the Bill Simmons world. 74 00:03:54,426 --> 00:03:57,426 Speaker 2: But let's just get the TikTok camera on. Here Kaufman, 75 00:03:57,466 --> 00:03:59,706 Speaker 2: here we go, Here is Eron. Here's what we're doing. 76 00:04:01,346 --> 00:04:05,106 Speaker 2: I UK to Pittsburgh has been rumored all off season, 77 00:04:05,586 --> 00:04:09,306 Speaker 2: and make sense because Omar Khan has been big you know, 78 00:04:09,906 --> 00:04:13,066 Speaker 2: big game hunting in this whole off season, something that 79 00:04:13,106 --> 00:04:16,706 Speaker 2: the Pittsburgh stirs On technically usually do and you know, 80 00:04:16,746 --> 00:04:20,506 Speaker 2: they got Russell Wilson, they got justin fields. They were 81 00:04:20,546 --> 00:04:23,226 Speaker 2: adding players left and right. They've been moving and shaking. 82 00:04:24,066 --> 00:04:26,466 Speaker 2: But I said this last week on X and I'll 83 00:04:26,506 --> 00:04:28,266 Speaker 2: say it again, as this deal still hasn't gotten done 84 00:04:28,266 --> 00:04:31,026 Speaker 2: between Pittsburgh and San Francisco, and you still has not 85 00:04:31,146 --> 00:04:33,826 Speaker 2: arrived at San Francisco. I think Washington makes the most 86 00:04:33,826 --> 00:04:36,386 Speaker 2: sense if you're looking at a trade partner. Hear me out. 87 00:04:37,146 --> 00:04:41,306 Speaker 2: Washington trades Johan Dotson, former first round pick, gets a 88 00:04:41,426 --> 00:04:43,906 Speaker 2: third round pick, So they lose a first round talent, 89 00:04:43,906 --> 00:04:47,626 Speaker 2: a wide receiver, so the old you know, front office 90 00:04:47,786 --> 00:04:50,186 Speaker 2: believed he was. They get a third round picks, another 91 00:04:50,186 --> 00:04:51,786 Speaker 2: third round pick, they have the second round pick, they 92 00:04:51,786 --> 00:04:55,306 Speaker 2: have a first round pick. Adam Peters, the current general 93 00:04:55,346 --> 00:04:58,266 Speaker 2: manager of the Washington Commanders first year guy, spent the 94 00:04:58,346 --> 00:05:02,746 Speaker 2: last seven years working in San Francisco with John Lynch, Peraguemarte, 95 00:05:02,826 --> 00:05:07,186 Speaker 2: who runs their salary cap, Brian Hampton. No, those Jed 96 00:05:07,306 --> 00:05:09,986 Speaker 2: York very well, those those forty nine ers guys. Guess 97 00:05:10,026 --> 00:05:12,306 Speaker 2: where he was when Brandon Yuk was drafted by the 98 00:05:12,306 --> 00:05:14,786 Speaker 2: forty nine ers. He was in that cockpit, right there, 99 00:05:14,786 --> 00:05:17,186 Speaker 2: in that front office with the forty nine Ers. Now 100 00:05:17,186 --> 00:05:23,266 Speaker 2: he's with the Commanders. Brandan Nyuk's breakout season as a 101 00:05:23,306 --> 00:05:26,666 Speaker 2: college football player had thirteen hundred yards. It was the 102 00:05:26,706 --> 00:05:28,866 Speaker 2: number one guy at Arizona State. Who is the quarterback, 103 00:05:29,866 --> 00:05:33,466 Speaker 2: a young kid named Jayden Daniels. And these two still 104 00:05:33,946 --> 00:05:38,146 Speaker 2: have a great relationship, still talk all the time. Ayuk 105 00:05:38,186 --> 00:05:41,666 Speaker 2: and Daniels are like brothers. Like that's how close they are. 106 00:05:41,706 --> 00:05:45,466 Speaker 2: So from the Commander's side, it makes a lot of sense. 107 00:05:45,666 --> 00:05:47,346 Speaker 2: From the forty nine Ers side is where it gets 108 00:05:47,346 --> 00:05:49,466 Speaker 2: a little trickier. For the forty nine Ers side, it's like, well, 109 00:05:49,466 --> 00:05:51,106 Speaker 2: what are you giving us back? Because the forty nine 110 00:05:51,146 --> 00:05:54,066 Speaker 2: Ers are not trading Brendan and Ayuk for like a 111 00:05:54,066 --> 00:05:56,146 Speaker 2: wish and a prayer in the future. And yes, they 112 00:05:56,186 --> 00:05:58,066 Speaker 2: did draft a wide receiver in the first round and 113 00:05:58,066 --> 00:06:00,786 Speaker 2: were keep pearsall but to me, it would have to 114 00:06:00,866 --> 00:06:05,506 Speaker 2: be a talented player. And then also maybe your second 115 00:06:05,546 --> 00:06:07,986 Speaker 2: and your third, So give me a defensive lineman and 116 00:06:08,066 --> 00:06:10,426 Speaker 2: you're second and the third. Now, a lot of forty 117 00:06:10,506 --> 00:06:12,506 Speaker 2: nine Ers fans would come back and say give us 118 00:06:12,546 --> 00:06:16,826 Speaker 2: Terry McLaurin and your third, or Washington fans would even say, 119 00:06:17,586 --> 00:06:20,866 Speaker 2: don't don't do that trade, because then Terry's gonna be upset. Okay, 120 00:06:21,426 --> 00:06:23,866 Speaker 2: Terry McLaurin, I don't see going anywhere. I'll put that 121 00:06:23,986 --> 00:06:29,946 Speaker 2: out there. Also, I just watched Philadelphia give one receiver money. 122 00:06:29,946 --> 00:06:31,866 Speaker 2: Everyone say what about the other receiver? Well, then they 123 00:06:31,906 --> 00:06:34,266 Speaker 2: gave him his money too. Like, if they make this 124 00:06:34,386 --> 00:06:36,586 Speaker 2: trade to bring an Ayuk, I don't think it's crazy 125 00:06:37,146 --> 00:06:39,066 Speaker 2: that you can then say to Terry McLaurin like, yeah, no, 126 00:06:39,146 --> 00:06:41,026 Speaker 2: it's fair. We're gonna we're gonna raise you up. Also, 127 00:06:41,106 --> 00:06:43,946 Speaker 2: they have salary cap room. So to me, it's a second, 128 00:06:44,066 --> 00:06:46,826 Speaker 2: it's a third. It's a defensive player. You go and 129 00:06:46,906 --> 00:06:49,066 Speaker 2: you get Brandon Ayuk, you bring him to Washington, you 130 00:06:49,146 --> 00:06:51,826 Speaker 2: pair them up with with his guy, Jayden Daniels. And 131 00:06:51,866 --> 00:06:53,386 Speaker 2: if you're a forty nine Ers fan, you at least 132 00:06:53,386 --> 00:06:55,226 Speaker 2: have two draft picks next year, and you got a 133 00:06:55,266 --> 00:06:57,746 Speaker 2: new defensive player that's gonna be playing, and you just 134 00:06:57,826 --> 00:07:00,786 Speaker 2: lost Eric arms Sett in the offseason. That's to me 135 00:07:00,946 --> 00:07:03,386 Speaker 2: the trade. That's to me the trade partner. And as 136 00:07:03,426 --> 00:07:06,906 Speaker 2: I say, all this watch, you's gonna be happy signed 137 00:07:06,906 --> 00:07:08,706 Speaker 2: an extension with the forty nine Ers and all this 138 00:07:08,786 --> 00:07:11,626 Speaker 2: will be moot. A couple of things I want to 139 00:07:11,666 --> 00:07:14,506 Speaker 2: recap before we bring in our guests who I'm fascinated 140 00:07:14,506 --> 00:07:17,146 Speaker 2: to talk to. It's John rand from Puck who's launching 141 00:07:17,186 --> 00:07:23,386 Speaker 2: a podcast himself, and I don't understand, or I shouldn 142 00:07:23,386 --> 00:07:26,546 Speaker 2: say I don't understand. I need someone to dumb down 143 00:07:26,706 --> 00:07:29,186 Speaker 2: and explain this private equity headline that was kind of 144 00:07:29,226 --> 00:07:31,746 Speaker 2: buried on NFL dot com at ESPN dot com and 145 00:07:31,826 --> 00:07:33,546 Speaker 2: Chefter kind of put out a bunch of you know, 146 00:07:33,746 --> 00:07:36,346 Speaker 2: posts about it, but like, I need an explanation on 147 00:07:36,506 --> 00:07:38,466 Speaker 2: what it is. We're gonna have him on. But I 148 00:07:38,586 --> 00:07:41,066 Speaker 2: did want to give you a quick recap of my 149 00:07:41,266 --> 00:07:45,106 Speaker 2: Saturday night where I got to call the Jets Giants 150 00:07:45,186 --> 00:07:48,906 Speaker 2: game with the Iron Eagle. All right, first, how did 151 00:07:48,946 --> 00:07:51,586 Speaker 2: it come to be? This wasn't some brainstorming session with 152 00:07:51,666 --> 00:07:57,226 Speaker 2: a thousand executives. I actually did two Jets preseason games 153 00:07:57,346 --> 00:08:01,106 Speaker 2: in the twenty nineteen season with Iron Eagle as the 154 00:08:01,146 --> 00:08:04,906 Speaker 2: play by play guy and Anthony becked the old tight 155 00:08:05,026 --> 00:08:07,746 Speaker 2: end from the Jets, and I was the third guy 156 00:08:07,866 --> 00:08:10,186 Speaker 2: in and then Otis Livingston was on the sideline. So 157 00:08:10,266 --> 00:08:12,826 Speaker 2: basically Beck would come on break down the play, then 158 00:08:12,826 --> 00:08:14,306 Speaker 2: I would give you color on the players. We had 159 00:08:14,306 --> 00:08:16,186 Speaker 2: a good dynamic. We went to Atlanta and did a game, 160 00:08:16,186 --> 00:08:19,186 Speaker 2: and then the Saints were actually playing in New Jersey 161 00:08:19,266 --> 00:08:22,546 Speaker 2: and I did that game. And what was interesting with 162 00:08:22,626 --> 00:08:25,226 Speaker 2: that one was the day Andrew Luck retired. So during 163 00:08:25,306 --> 00:08:28,066 Speaker 2: the broadcast, Andrew Luck surprises everyone, and I spent the 164 00:08:28,106 --> 00:08:30,546 Speaker 2: whole second half of the broadcast like on my phone, 165 00:08:30,666 --> 00:08:33,586 Speaker 2: like just reporting about a random Indianapolis Colts quarterback, and 166 00:08:33,626 --> 00:08:35,866 Speaker 2: most jetsmans were like, we don't care anymore about Andrew Luck. 167 00:08:35,906 --> 00:08:38,026 Speaker 2: I get back to the Jets game, all right. That 168 00:08:38,186 --> 00:08:42,426 Speaker 2: was that. I also did Rams preseason for one season 169 00:08:42,666 --> 00:08:45,146 Speaker 2: with Andrew Sicileono and Nate Berlisson, same kind of deal. 170 00:08:45,226 --> 00:08:48,026 Speaker 2: I was the third man in. Really enjoyed it. Thought 171 00:08:48,066 --> 00:08:53,426 Speaker 2: it was fun, but also really cherish my summer weekends 172 00:08:53,706 --> 00:08:55,986 Speaker 2: in the years that would follow. The Ravens approached me 173 00:08:56,066 --> 00:08:58,386 Speaker 2: and asked if I wanted to play a role in 174 00:08:58,426 --> 00:09:00,866 Speaker 2: their broadcast with of course another player and a play 175 00:09:00,906 --> 00:09:02,946 Speaker 2: by play guy and being in the booth. The Seahawks 176 00:09:03,026 --> 00:09:05,426 Speaker 2: approached me and asked me. I said, the thought of 177 00:09:05,466 --> 00:09:08,986 Speaker 2: me flying from Seattle and back and then doing twenty 178 00:09:09,066 --> 00:09:13,426 Speaker 2: two different weekends of travel to LA and back, it 179 00:09:13,506 --> 00:09:15,106 Speaker 2: just doesn't work for me, it doesn't work for my family. 180 00:09:16,466 --> 00:09:19,506 Speaker 2: So this year, no one really called. It was quiet. 181 00:09:19,746 --> 00:09:22,906 Speaker 2: I'm barely watching the preseason if I'm being honest, I'm 182 00:09:22,946 --> 00:09:25,386 Speaker 2: watching the replays on NFL Network like during the week. 183 00:09:25,426 --> 00:09:29,666 Speaker 2: But like I so cherished these Saturdays Sundays in the 184 00:09:29,826 --> 00:09:32,266 Speaker 2: summertime because there's really the last ones I get till 185 00:09:33,386 --> 00:09:35,866 Speaker 2: probably about this. You know, it's definitely to the super Bowl, 186 00:09:35,946 --> 00:09:38,946 Speaker 2: but with combine and with you know, free agency. So 187 00:09:39,066 --> 00:09:41,426 Speaker 2: middle of March, I really have my weekends back. So 188 00:09:43,426 --> 00:09:45,306 Speaker 2: I hadn't thought about it. And I get a call 189 00:09:45,426 --> 00:09:50,066 Speaker 2: from Eric Gelfand, who runs the Jets communications department, and 190 00:09:50,306 --> 00:09:52,746 Speaker 2: Eric says, look, I'm talking with CBS. We really liked 191 00:09:52,786 --> 00:09:56,666 Speaker 2: having you with Anthony Beck that one year. Would you 192 00:09:56,786 --> 00:09:59,306 Speaker 2: be willing to do Jets preseason games this year? And 193 00:09:59,386 --> 00:10:01,666 Speaker 2: I said, I will not do that. I'm not giving 194 00:10:01,786 --> 00:10:04,426 Speaker 2: up three weekends. I just can't. It's, you know, my 195 00:10:04,826 --> 00:10:09,666 Speaker 2: one last gas of summer with my family. Again. I 196 00:10:09,746 --> 00:10:11,346 Speaker 2: know this sounds crazy if you listen to how when 197 00:10:11,346 --> 00:10:13,986 Speaker 2: you're urt cope, It's like I'm not with my family 198 00:10:14,066 --> 00:10:17,706 Speaker 2: on the weekends for you know, several several months. So 199 00:10:18,146 --> 00:10:21,306 Speaker 2: every weekend matters and to me in August like, that's 200 00:10:21,426 --> 00:10:24,786 Speaker 2: just great time, you know whatever, family time. So I say, no, 201 00:10:24,946 --> 00:10:27,706 Speaker 2: thank You's all right, Well, we appreciate it. We would 202 00:10:27,746 --> 00:10:29,186 Speaker 2: have loved it. You and Anthony would have been great. 203 00:10:30,506 --> 00:10:36,226 Speaker 2: About ten days before the start of preseason, Eric calls 204 00:10:36,306 --> 00:10:40,506 Speaker 2: me again and says, hey, listen, we have a pretty 205 00:10:40,546 --> 00:10:43,786 Speaker 2: cool opportunity for you. It's it's just you and the booth. 206 00:10:44,306 --> 00:10:49,026 Speaker 2: It's not actually the Jets Giants game. Specifically, Anthony's moving 207 00:10:49,066 --> 00:10:50,546 Speaker 2: into a role where he's going to be doing the 208 00:10:50,666 --> 00:10:53,346 Speaker 2: radio full time with the Jets with Bob was Shoes 209 00:10:53,386 --> 00:10:55,826 Speaker 2: and cool promotion for him. Great job, that's like a 210 00:10:55,906 --> 00:10:57,986 Speaker 2: lifetime job. You do that, you do that for thirty years. 211 00:10:58,026 --> 00:11:01,306 Speaker 2: Great for Anthony instead of us going the ex player route. 212 00:11:02,066 --> 00:11:05,186 Speaker 2: I've been talking with the CBS local partners and we 213 00:11:05,306 --> 00:11:06,706 Speaker 2: really liked what you did. A couple of year ago. 214 00:11:06,906 --> 00:11:08,626 Speaker 2: Would you and I and be one to do Jets Giants? 215 00:11:08,666 --> 00:11:12,466 Speaker 2: You know the Jets, you knew the Giants? Said absolutely, sorry, kids, 216 00:11:13,266 --> 00:11:20,346 Speaker 2: absolutely one weekend, one game, no press release, no big 217 00:11:20,426 --> 00:11:23,506 Speaker 2: push about it. And then I got to work and 218 00:11:23,586 --> 00:11:26,026 Speaker 2: I think this is my takeaway on this whole thing. 219 00:11:27,506 --> 00:11:31,426 Speaker 2: I obviously studied the depth chart for both teams, knowing 220 00:11:31,546 --> 00:11:33,746 Speaker 2: this is going to be the third and fourth rounders. 221 00:11:34,306 --> 00:11:37,226 Speaker 2: But then I also ended up calling folks from the 222 00:11:37,306 --> 00:11:41,546 Speaker 2: Senior Bowl, calling folks from the UFL, folks from the 223 00:11:41,586 --> 00:11:47,106 Speaker 2: East West game. I also spoke to both head coaches 224 00:11:48,546 --> 00:11:52,666 Speaker 2: off the record, spoke to offensive coordinators and defensive coordinators 225 00:11:52,906 --> 00:11:57,626 Speaker 2: from both teams, at least informally, you know, just texting 226 00:11:57,706 --> 00:12:00,906 Speaker 2: ended general man, like no one has prepared for a 227 00:12:00,906 --> 00:12:05,626 Speaker 2: football game like I just prepared for Giants Jets preseason 228 00:12:05,826 --> 00:12:07,906 Speaker 2: Week three. But there's also this resistance if I have 229 00:12:07,946 --> 00:12:10,866 Speaker 2: all this information, like I could do forty minutes on 230 00:12:10,986 --> 00:12:14,786 Speaker 2: Leonard Taylor, the third undrafted out of Miami. But I'm 231 00:12:14,826 --> 00:12:16,946 Speaker 2: not looking to show off. I'm not looking to just 232 00:12:17,146 --> 00:12:21,466 Speaker 2: dump data and stats and stories. And I also wanted 233 00:12:21,506 --> 00:12:23,546 Speaker 2: to make sure that I brought what I bring to 234 00:12:23,666 --> 00:12:26,786 Speaker 2: this and when I bring to all the podcast appearances 235 00:12:26,866 --> 00:12:29,786 Speaker 2: I do to that broadcast, which is just banter. I 236 00:12:29,866 --> 00:12:31,346 Speaker 2: want you to want to hang out with me, I 237 00:12:31,426 --> 00:12:32,946 Speaker 2: want you to want to sit and talk with me. 238 00:12:33,026 --> 00:12:35,266 Speaker 2: I just want to tell stories and be a cool hang. 239 00:12:35,986 --> 00:12:38,666 Speaker 2: And there's no cooler hang than Iron Eagle. So the 240 00:12:38,746 --> 00:12:42,506 Speaker 2: game starts start talking about that dynamic kickoff. I have 241 00:12:42,626 --> 00:12:45,586 Speaker 2: my insights, he's got his insights, and then we're just 242 00:12:45,826 --> 00:12:48,906 Speaker 2: off and running. And Iron and I had an absolute 243 00:12:48,946 --> 00:12:53,586 Speaker 2: party for three hours while informing, while entertaining, and I'll 244 00:12:53,626 --> 00:12:58,106 Speaker 2: tell you, Aaron, I didn't use the tellustrator once. I 245 00:12:58,146 --> 00:13:01,946 Speaker 2: didn't say the word pad level once. We didn't really 246 00:13:02,106 --> 00:13:06,026 Speaker 2: show many replays and break down how something happened at all. Happened. 247 00:13:06,066 --> 00:13:09,106 Speaker 2: One time when Adrian Martinez, the third quarterback, like broke 248 00:13:09,146 --> 00:13:12,226 Speaker 2: a run, I said, watch what he does with his 249 00:13:12,346 --> 00:13:14,826 Speaker 2: legs here. That was my big analysis. It is not 250 00:13:15,106 --> 00:13:18,266 Speaker 2: what you're getting anywhere else. And I don't look at 251 00:13:18,306 --> 00:13:21,026 Speaker 2: that as a weakness. You know, there's been a lot 252 00:13:21,066 --> 00:13:26,066 Speaker 2: of articles written OFFU announcing, really complimentary one which I appreciated, 253 00:13:26,146 --> 00:13:28,226 Speaker 2: and there's been like some trend pieces. And Brian Curtis 254 00:13:28,266 --> 00:13:30,586 Speaker 2: at the press box with Dave Schumaker, they did a 255 00:13:30,626 --> 00:13:33,186 Speaker 2: whole intro about is it time to have a non 256 00:13:33,346 --> 00:13:36,466 Speaker 2: ex player, non ex coach in the booth. I would 257 00:13:36,506 --> 00:13:39,066 Speaker 2: have said yes ten years ago. I don't make the decisions, 258 00:13:40,186 --> 00:13:42,946 Speaker 2: but I will say this. Our approach to the game 259 00:13:43,386 --> 00:13:47,986 Speaker 2: is not the same as the ROMO the Akman, the Collinsworth, 260 00:13:49,346 --> 00:13:52,026 Speaker 2: the Tom Brady as this is gonna be. I also 261 00:13:52,866 --> 00:13:56,706 Speaker 2: sometimes watch sports TV, and I don't even understand who's 262 00:13:56,986 --> 00:13:59,066 Speaker 2: who's watching some of these breakdowns and things like I 263 00:13:59,106 --> 00:14:01,386 Speaker 2: love dan Orlotski breaking down the quarterback stept, but when 264 00:14:01,386 --> 00:14:03,106 Speaker 2: we get in the weeks talking about the offensive line 265 00:14:03,146 --> 00:14:06,586 Speaker 2: play like I don't, I don't, I don't know, like 266 00:14:06,626 --> 00:14:09,386 Speaker 2: I don't. That's not necessarily everybody's cup of tea. And 267 00:14:10,506 --> 00:14:12,666 Speaker 2: I think most of these broadcasts are trying to teach 268 00:14:12,746 --> 00:14:14,586 Speaker 2: you how a play happened or instruct you like your 269 00:14:14,706 --> 00:14:17,186 Speaker 2: high school coach. When my thing was I was going 270 00:14:17,266 --> 00:14:19,146 Speaker 2: to tell some stories and give me some insight from 271 00:14:19,146 --> 00:14:21,706 Speaker 2: the front offices. Does that work over a full course 272 00:14:21,746 --> 00:14:23,506 Speaker 2: of a season. I don't know. Maybe it'd be a 273 00:14:23,586 --> 00:14:25,266 Speaker 2: major swing in a miss, but it sure worked for 274 00:14:25,306 --> 00:14:28,346 Speaker 2: a preseason game. In that preseason game in particular, I 275 00:14:28,426 --> 00:14:32,066 Speaker 2: will say this, I had an absolute blast doing it, 276 00:14:32,266 --> 00:14:34,306 Speaker 2: and I just wanted to shout out the guys who 277 00:14:34,346 --> 00:14:38,386 Speaker 2: helped me do it. And that's Iron Eagle, That's that's 278 00:14:38,466 --> 00:14:41,106 Speaker 2: his great sad guy, Dave Freed, and then Ken Mack, 279 00:14:41,146 --> 00:14:44,466 Speaker 2: who's the producer at CBS, who actually does iron Eagle 280 00:14:44,506 --> 00:14:47,026 Speaker 2: in Charles Davis's games during the season and also does 281 00:14:47,066 --> 00:14:49,906 Speaker 2: the Final Fours. Was unbelievable. It was like Schrager, b you, 282 00:14:50,026 --> 00:14:53,346 Speaker 2: we're not hiring you to be Brian Baldinger, or we're 283 00:14:53,386 --> 00:14:55,506 Speaker 2: not hiring you to be Adam Rchiletto, We're not hiring 284 00:14:55,546 --> 00:14:58,706 Speaker 2: you to be Tony Romo. Just be you. And I was. 285 00:14:59,106 --> 00:15:01,426 Speaker 2: And we did a full analysis of the wave going 286 00:15:01,466 --> 00:15:04,946 Speaker 2: on in the crowd. We I gave a full Hassan 287 00:15:05,026 --> 00:15:07,266 Speaker 2: Reddick update. I mean we did that. I don't think 288 00:15:07,306 --> 00:15:10,186 Speaker 2: you're getting anywhere else from anyone else. So all those 289 00:15:10,226 --> 00:15:13,506 Speaker 2: trend pieces, all those wonderful articles written, I read them. 290 00:15:13,586 --> 00:15:16,666 Speaker 2: Obviously they were very complimentary. It's where you get any 291 00:15:16,706 --> 00:15:20,306 Speaker 2: compliments from sports media folks, and it meant a lot. 292 00:15:20,426 --> 00:15:22,906 Speaker 2: And if you tweeted me, ninety nine percent of the 293 00:15:22,906 --> 00:15:26,146 Speaker 2: tweets were positive, which is so rare. I'll take it, 294 00:15:26,706 --> 00:15:29,666 Speaker 2: and I gotta say I really enjoyed it. So if 295 00:15:29,666 --> 00:15:31,586 Speaker 2: it ever gets to happen again, I would be open 296 00:15:31,666 --> 00:15:35,946 Speaker 2: to talking. And if there's another non ex player or 297 00:15:36,066 --> 00:15:38,066 Speaker 2: ex coach who gets that opportunity in the booth, I'm 298 00:15:38,106 --> 00:15:39,626 Speaker 2: here to talk to them and take them through it, 299 00:15:39,706 --> 00:15:43,106 Speaker 2: because I will say it was really cool to not 300 00:15:43,226 --> 00:15:45,146 Speaker 2: only get to do it, but to also see the reaction, 301 00:15:45,346 --> 00:15:46,826 Speaker 2: being like, this is a different kind of broadcast. This 302 00:15:46,906 --> 00:15:50,706 Speaker 2: feels like just two people talking and wow, imagine that 303 00:15:51,746 --> 00:15:53,866 Speaker 2: it was cool. I didn't say the word hip drop once. 304 00:15:54,386 --> 00:16:00,746 Speaker 2: I didn't say I didn't mention the safety blitz whatever 305 00:16:01,026 --> 00:16:05,106 Speaker 2: terms again not my forte. They knew what they were 306 00:16:05,106 --> 00:16:07,826 Speaker 2: getting and CBS was I think, pretty happy with what 307 00:16:07,866 --> 00:16:11,306 Speaker 2: they got. All right, let's get to our guests. Our 308 00:16:11,386 --> 00:16:16,306 Speaker 2: guest is made the move from Sports Business Journal over 309 00:16:16,386 --> 00:16:20,426 Speaker 2: to Puck about a year ago, and he immediately has 310 00:16:20,506 --> 00:16:23,346 Speaker 2: become one of the most influential voices in sports media 311 00:16:23,426 --> 00:16:26,666 Speaker 2: sports business. He's going to help to cipher whatever this 312 00:16:26,906 --> 00:16:29,706 Speaker 2: headline was that came out yesterday. John Oran's coming up 313 00:16:29,746 --> 00:16:39,466 Speaker 2: after this. As I said in the monologue, John Orran 314 00:16:39,546 --> 00:16:41,946 Speaker 2: is one of the most respected voices in sports media today. 315 00:16:42,706 --> 00:16:45,066 Speaker 2: This past year, he took his talents like Lebron did 316 00:16:45,106 --> 00:16:47,266 Speaker 2: to the Heat, he took it to Puck where he 317 00:16:47,466 --> 00:16:51,306 Speaker 2: rides it twice weekly newsletter that is appointment reading for 318 00:16:51,506 --> 00:16:56,066 Speaker 2: anyone in sports media, anyone in sports business. It's called 319 00:16:56,266 --> 00:17:00,306 Speaker 2: the Varsity and Trust me. Everyone in our industry gets 320 00:17:00,346 --> 00:17:03,146 Speaker 2: that newsletter, reads it, looks for the bold print and 321 00:17:03,346 --> 00:17:08,706 Speaker 2: enjoys the Andrew marshand in the beginning. And today when 322 00:17:08,786 --> 00:17:12,066 Speaker 2: it's Wednesday in August, he is launching a new podcast 323 00:17:12,146 --> 00:17:15,186 Speaker 2: with Puck and it's called The Varsity. His first guest 324 00:17:15,306 --> 00:17:17,986 Speaker 2: is an unlikely media mobile, but a guy who has 325 00:17:18,066 --> 00:17:21,586 Speaker 2: been dominating in our space, Peyton Manning. So go check 326 00:17:21,666 --> 00:17:23,866 Speaker 2: that out where we listen to podcasts. But I was 327 00:17:23,906 --> 00:17:25,906 Speaker 2: gonna have John on regardless about some of the news 328 00:17:25,986 --> 00:17:29,226 Speaker 2: that came out in the NFL yesterday. John Rand Welcome 329 00:17:29,466 --> 00:17:30,906 Speaker 2: to the season with Peter Schriger. 330 00:17:31,466 --> 00:17:33,306 Speaker 3: Peter, you asked me to come on the pod. I'm 331 00:17:33,346 --> 00:17:36,506 Speaker 3: coming in a heartbeat. I think this is my inaugural 332 00:17:36,666 --> 00:17:40,146 Speaker 3: visit on the podcast. So this is a big deal 333 00:17:40,266 --> 00:17:40,506 Speaker 3: for me. 334 00:17:41,586 --> 00:17:43,946 Speaker 2: This is this is a a little success story in 335 00:17:44,026 --> 00:17:46,066 Speaker 2: itself the NFL. As a part of my deal with 336 00:17:46,186 --> 00:17:49,066 Speaker 2: Good Morning Football about a year ago, said just do 337 00:17:49,226 --> 00:17:52,386 Speaker 2: a podcast like let's figure it out with iHeart and last, 338 00:17:52,426 --> 00:17:54,666 Speaker 2: and it's made news and we're taking off and it's 339 00:17:54,706 --> 00:17:57,466 Speaker 2: one the NFL podcast right now. And one of the 340 00:17:57,546 --> 00:18:01,426 Speaker 2: top NFL stories came out yesterday and I am not 341 00:18:02,066 --> 00:18:06,066 Speaker 2: well versed in some of the stuff that's going on 342 00:18:06,146 --> 00:18:10,306 Speaker 2: in the fine So the headline was now involved in 343 00:18:10,426 --> 00:18:14,346 Speaker 2: NFL ownership. Immediately, I clushed my propose and thought of 344 00:18:14,506 --> 00:18:17,866 Speaker 2: John Marra and Mike Brown and some of the or 345 00:18:17,946 --> 00:18:20,186 Speaker 2: traditional owners of the and said, well, what the hell 346 00:18:20,226 --> 00:18:22,826 Speaker 2: does that mean? Because I don't need private equity in 347 00:18:22,906 --> 00:18:25,226 Speaker 2: my NFL, but I mean cold not to worry. This 348 00:18:25,346 --> 00:18:27,746 Speaker 2: is a good thing for the NFL. And break it 349 00:18:27,826 --> 00:18:30,226 Speaker 2: down for us, private equity in the NFL the first 350 00:18:30,266 --> 00:18:33,466 Speaker 2: and why is unique story, Peter is great news. 351 00:18:33,626 --> 00:18:36,186 Speaker 3: These billionaire owners are going to get richer. I mean, 352 00:18:36,226 --> 00:18:38,466 Speaker 3: that's essentially what the story is. I don't think that. 353 00:18:39,066 --> 00:18:42,346 Speaker 3: The way I see this is that fans aren't going 354 00:18:42,426 --> 00:18:44,786 Speaker 3: to notice a difference, and so when people are saying, 355 00:18:44,866 --> 00:18:47,946 Speaker 3: don't worry about this, everything's going to kind of continue on. 356 00:18:48,666 --> 00:18:50,746 Speaker 3: That's what That's what we're going to see. It was 357 00:18:51,066 --> 00:18:56,066 Speaker 3: overwhelmingly supported by ownership thirty one to one, uh the 358 00:18:56,146 --> 00:19:00,266 Speaker 3: Cincinnati Bengals incidentally, they were the only descending vote on this. 359 00:19:01,506 --> 00:19:04,706 Speaker 3: And what it basically what a big what is happening 360 00:19:04,786 --> 00:19:10,746 Speaker 3: right now is that the valuations of the teams are 361 00:19:10,866 --> 00:19:15,346 Speaker 3: increasing at such an to such an extent that rich 362 00:19:15,426 --> 00:19:18,906 Speaker 3: guys can't afford to buy teams anymore. They can't just 363 00:19:19,186 --> 00:19:21,986 Speaker 3: cut a check and write the team you had. You know, 364 00:19:22,306 --> 00:19:26,146 Speaker 3: in my hometown in Washington, the Commanders just sold for 365 00:19:26,306 --> 00:19:30,226 Speaker 3: more than six billion dollars. And that's after our former 366 00:19:30,346 --> 00:19:36,186 Speaker 3: owner spent a quarter century making the worst decisions and 367 00:19:37,706 --> 00:19:41,026 Speaker 3: for the team and making it you know somehow they 368 00:19:41,186 --> 00:19:45,506 Speaker 3: they he went from buying it for you know, just 369 00:19:46,266 --> 00:19:47,986 Speaker 3: just around a billion and a little bit less than 370 00:19:47,986 --> 00:19:50,746 Speaker 3: a billion, and then selling it for six billion after 371 00:19:50,986 --> 00:19:53,466 Speaker 3: running it into the ground for twenty five years. So 372 00:19:54,826 --> 00:19:58,866 Speaker 3: the the the valuations and how much the teams are 373 00:19:58,906 --> 00:20:04,066 Speaker 3: worth are growing so much that the NFL is looking 374 00:20:04,146 --> 00:20:06,666 Speaker 3: to private equity to help supplement a lot of these 375 00:20:06,866 --> 00:20:11,586 Speaker 3: a lot of these purchases being the NFL. They didn't 376 00:20:11,946 --> 00:20:15,906 Speaker 3: just jump into this. The NFL is the last of 377 00:20:15,986 --> 00:20:18,906 Speaker 3: all the leagues to do it, and of all the 378 00:20:18,946 --> 00:20:24,226 Speaker 3: big leagues to do it. You have the NBA, MLB, 379 00:20:25,106 --> 00:20:30,066 Speaker 3: the NHL, MLS, the Women's soccer league as well. They 380 00:20:30,146 --> 00:20:33,626 Speaker 3: allow private equity to take up to thirty percent stakes 381 00:20:33,666 --> 00:20:38,546 Speaker 3: in the leagues. The NFL is keeping it at ten 382 00:20:38,706 --> 00:20:41,426 Speaker 3: right now, although all of my sources say it's almost 383 00:20:41,466 --> 00:20:43,546 Speaker 3: certain that that's going to go up to thirty within 384 00:20:43,666 --> 00:20:47,026 Speaker 3: a couple of years. And what the NFL was doing 385 00:20:47,186 --> 00:20:50,106 Speaker 3: was looking at these other leagues, seeing how private equity 386 00:20:50,266 --> 00:20:53,826 Speaker 3: was affecting affecting those leagues, how those leagues were run, 387 00:20:53,906 --> 00:20:57,786 Speaker 3: how those teams were run, and realizing that the private 388 00:20:57,906 --> 00:21:01,106 Speaker 3: the private equity that was coming in wasn't really making 389 00:21:01,186 --> 00:21:05,586 Speaker 3: any change. They weren't making any changes to how the 390 00:21:06,746 --> 00:21:10,186 Speaker 3: teams will run. Or all I was doing was sort 391 00:21:10,226 --> 00:21:15,226 Speaker 3: of helping these these rich owners were from being too 392 00:21:15,346 --> 00:21:20,266 Speaker 3: cash strapped with teams that were worth so much, so 393 00:21:20,426 --> 00:21:23,466 Speaker 3: they waited, they looked at it, and I think that's 394 00:21:23,506 --> 00:21:26,226 Speaker 3: what more than I think, I'm pretty certain that's what 395 00:21:26,266 --> 00:21:28,346 Speaker 3: we're going to see. What the NFL is a lot 396 00:21:28,426 --> 00:21:30,786 Speaker 3: of nothing coming out of this other than the riche 397 00:21:30,826 --> 00:21:31,906 Speaker 3: owners getting a lot richer. 398 00:21:32,346 --> 00:21:36,426 Speaker 2: Okay, So traditionally, to go back, the NFL held off 399 00:21:36,546 --> 00:21:39,546 Speaker 2: because they're like, we're unique. We're a club of thirty two. 400 00:21:40,186 --> 00:21:42,746 Speaker 2: It's just us thirty two owners. And even those owners 401 00:21:42,826 --> 00:21:45,026 Speaker 2: can have minority owners. But what's the difference between having 402 00:21:45,586 --> 00:21:49,866 Speaker 2: per se example, the Pittsburgh Steelers have minority owners. You know, 403 00:21:50,026 --> 00:21:52,706 Speaker 2: Thomas Toll was a minority owner. David Tepper was a 404 00:21:52,746 --> 00:21:55,386 Speaker 2: minority owner. What's the difference between having those guys and 405 00:21:55,426 --> 00:21:58,826 Speaker 2: then private equity? The word pe that everyone kind of says, oh, 406 00:21:58,946 --> 00:22:00,866 Speaker 2: here comes private equity. What's the difference between being a 407 00:22:00,906 --> 00:22:02,466 Speaker 2: minority owner with a lot of money and then a 408 00:22:02,506 --> 00:22:03,386 Speaker 2: private equity firm. 409 00:22:03,506 --> 00:22:05,466 Speaker 3: I think what the NFL is going to tell you 410 00:22:06,266 --> 00:22:07,746 Speaker 3: is that there's going to be no difference. 411 00:22:08,186 --> 00:22:08,266 Speaker 2: Uh. 412 00:22:08,386 --> 00:22:12,666 Speaker 3: And judging by what's happened at those other leagues that 413 00:22:12,706 --> 00:22:14,986 Speaker 3: I mentioned, it doesn't look like there really is going 414 00:22:15,026 --> 00:22:17,466 Speaker 3: to be any any difference with it. There is a 415 00:22:17,586 --> 00:22:21,666 Speaker 3: big fear. Look, I come from newspapers, you know, I 416 00:22:21,986 --> 00:22:25,146 Speaker 3: saw you've seen what happens when private equity comes in 417 00:22:25,906 --> 00:22:28,186 Speaker 3: with it with the promise of a lot of money 418 00:22:28,786 --> 00:22:31,546 Speaker 3: and uh and and and and making things better, and 419 00:22:31,546 --> 00:22:33,786 Speaker 3: then they come and slash and burn and because because 420 00:22:34,066 --> 00:22:36,706 Speaker 3: private equity wants to make money out of it, and 421 00:22:36,906 --> 00:22:39,226 Speaker 3: so they're going to come in see the inefficiencies, you know, 422 00:22:39,586 --> 00:22:40,346 Speaker 3: cut where they can. 423 00:22:40,906 --> 00:22:41,026 Speaker 2: Uh. 424 00:22:41,666 --> 00:22:44,386 Speaker 3: The stakes that they're taking are not that high, so 425 00:22:44,506 --> 00:22:48,106 Speaker 3: they for for private equity companies. Look, it's a good investment, 426 00:22:48,186 --> 00:22:51,706 Speaker 3: of course, I mentioned the Commanders earlier. It's it's definitely 427 00:22:51,746 --> 00:22:54,146 Speaker 3: a good investment, but it is a vanity play. You know, 428 00:22:54,266 --> 00:22:57,746 Speaker 3: these some of these private equity owners would love to 429 00:22:57,826 --> 00:23:01,226 Speaker 3: have an ownership stake, get that box for the games 430 00:23:01,266 --> 00:23:04,066 Speaker 3: on Sunday and and uh bring their clients to it. 431 00:23:04,186 --> 00:23:07,826 Speaker 3: So I think that there, you know, there's not much 432 00:23:07,906 --> 00:23:10,866 Speaker 3: of a difference. It's just the access to much more 433 00:23:10,986 --> 00:23:14,666 Speaker 3: cash and making it a lot easier for owners to 434 00:23:15,346 --> 00:23:16,306 Speaker 3: define that as well. 435 00:23:16,786 --> 00:23:19,026 Speaker 2: Again, this is rudimentary questions. I love having you on. 436 00:23:19,626 --> 00:23:22,826 Speaker 2: Is this okay? So say, is there like a yearly 437 00:23:22,946 --> 00:23:25,146 Speaker 2: return on an NFL team, like where you get like 438 00:23:25,386 --> 00:23:27,426 Speaker 2: an envelope or you get it? Or is it you 439 00:23:27,546 --> 00:23:29,626 Speaker 2: only make your money if the team is flipped like 440 00:23:29,866 --> 00:23:33,026 Speaker 2: Washington where Snyder after all those years sold it for 441 00:23:33,146 --> 00:23:35,386 Speaker 2: six hundred percent whatever it was worth when he brought it. 442 00:23:35,466 --> 00:23:37,706 Speaker 2: But like, is it an investment or is it just 443 00:23:37,786 --> 00:23:40,466 Speaker 2: a vanity play? Like do these with the private equity 444 00:23:40,546 --> 00:23:43,266 Speaker 2: see in a return on investment on any given season 445 00:23:43,386 --> 00:23:44,346 Speaker 2: just being a part of the deal. 446 00:23:44,826 --> 00:23:47,666 Speaker 3: No, it's it's an investment still, even if they're not 447 00:23:47,786 --> 00:23:50,306 Speaker 3: getting you know, yearly returns on it. I mean they're 448 00:23:50,346 --> 00:23:54,826 Speaker 3: they're they're putting their money into something that they think, 449 00:23:55,266 --> 00:23:57,426 Speaker 3: and I think is going to grow. I mean, there's 450 00:23:57,506 --> 00:24:02,306 Speaker 3: no there's no sign that these franchise valuations have hit 451 00:24:02,386 --> 00:24:05,586 Speaker 3: a ceiling or that the ceiling is anywhere close, even 452 00:24:05,666 --> 00:24:10,106 Speaker 3: though you know, we're talking about valuations of the Cowboys 453 00:24:10,386 --> 00:24:12,586 Speaker 3: being you know, I think Supportico had them at like 454 00:24:12,946 --> 00:24:17,906 Speaker 3: ten billion dollars, setting in an all time record. So 455 00:24:18,506 --> 00:24:21,586 Speaker 3: the and that's the thing about private equity is they 456 00:24:21,626 --> 00:24:23,666 Speaker 3: can come in and then they can sell out to 457 00:24:23,746 --> 00:24:26,386 Speaker 3: sell their steak, So they can sell their steak at 458 00:24:26,386 --> 00:24:28,546 Speaker 3: any time, and when they sell their stake, that's where 459 00:24:28,586 --> 00:24:30,266 Speaker 3: they really see their return. They're not going to see 460 00:24:30,266 --> 00:24:32,866 Speaker 3: a return on a year over year basis. 461 00:24:33,186 --> 00:24:35,826 Speaker 2: One of the parts of the articles that I've read 462 00:24:35,946 --> 00:24:39,706 Speaker 2: that it's like they kind of vetted which private equity 463 00:24:40,026 --> 00:24:42,906 Speaker 2: is allowed to invest, so there's almost like a gatekeeper 464 00:24:42,986 --> 00:24:45,466 Speaker 2: to that as well. Right, it's only certain private equity 465 00:24:45,506 --> 00:24:47,986 Speaker 2: companies can get involved. There's been a select number that 466 00:24:48,106 --> 00:24:49,866 Speaker 2: can have the option to invest. 467 00:24:50,226 --> 00:24:52,906 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's where the NFL's great. I mean, the NFL, 468 00:24:53,746 --> 00:24:54,666 Speaker 3: it seems. 469 00:24:54,386 --> 00:24:56,866 Speaker 2: Like they're like, all right, you can't, but you can't. 470 00:24:56,986 --> 00:24:59,026 Speaker 2: We know where your money's coming from. But I'm not 471 00:24:59,066 --> 00:25:02,106 Speaker 2: doing the work on that wildcard. It does seem interesting 472 00:25:02,146 --> 00:25:03,386 Speaker 2: that that was kind of buried there as well. And 473 00:25:03,466 --> 00:25:06,226 Speaker 2: one of them, cool enough, Curtis Martin's a big part 474 00:25:06,226 --> 00:25:07,786 Speaker 2: of which is a former player, which I thought was 475 00:25:07,826 --> 00:25:08,226 Speaker 2: really neat. 476 00:25:08,746 --> 00:25:12,666 Speaker 3: Yeah, and not only that the NFL approved these, Uh 477 00:25:13,226 --> 00:25:16,426 Speaker 3: it's only a handful of private equity companies, but then 478 00:25:16,746 --> 00:25:20,626 Speaker 3: the owners still can come out and have to vote 479 00:25:20,706 --> 00:25:25,426 Speaker 3: and ratify it once once they get in there. And 480 00:25:26,226 --> 00:25:30,066 Speaker 3: another interesting uh angle of this is a private equity 481 00:25:30,106 --> 00:25:35,146 Speaker 3: company can invest in more than one team, So it's 482 00:25:35,186 --> 00:25:37,986 Speaker 3: not like they, you know, go and say, okay, we 483 00:25:38,066 --> 00:25:38,586 Speaker 3: want to go with. 484 00:25:38,666 --> 00:25:42,106 Speaker 2: The Bills across sports or across the NFL. So you 485 00:25:42,186 --> 00:25:44,426 Speaker 2: could a private equity firm could have a ten percent 486 00:25:44,506 --> 00:25:46,306 Speaker 2: take in the Bills and the Saints if they wanted. 487 00:25:46,386 --> 00:25:46,746 Speaker 2: That's okay. 488 00:25:47,266 --> 00:25:49,786 Speaker 3: Apparently so up to like six teams, I think it 489 00:25:49,946 --> 00:25:53,426 Speaker 3: is and uh, and so that's another sort of interesting 490 00:25:54,066 --> 00:25:56,386 Speaker 3: wrinkle that shows that this is much more of an 491 00:25:56,466 --> 00:25:59,546 Speaker 3: investment play where for some of these private equity companies. 492 00:25:59,866 --> 00:26:05,146 Speaker 2: Absolutely. Okay, I'm now going to shift focus to your 493 00:26:05,186 --> 00:26:07,866 Speaker 2: podcast real quick, because because you've got the newsletter, you 494 00:26:07,946 --> 00:26:10,746 Speaker 2: and Marshand had a great podcast that I listened to weekly. 495 00:26:10,786 --> 00:26:13,426 Speaker 2: I was often or twice I was the big guest, 496 00:26:13,466 --> 00:26:16,306 Speaker 2: which was a big get, which was a very honorable 497 00:26:16,346 --> 00:26:19,426 Speaker 2: spot to be in. But now with Puck, with those 498 00:26:19,506 --> 00:26:21,826 Speaker 2: guys who are doing tremendous work in the new media 499 00:26:21,906 --> 00:26:25,306 Speaker 2: space and his appointment reading in Washington and politics and 500 00:26:25,346 --> 00:26:28,466 Speaker 2: Hollywood and now sports with you, what is the podcast 501 00:26:28,706 --> 00:26:30,626 Speaker 2: and what are you trying to get out of that? Uh? 502 00:26:30,986 --> 00:26:33,666 Speaker 3: Well, the podcast is it's going to come out twice 503 00:26:33,666 --> 00:26:37,226 Speaker 3: a week and on Wednesday, I'm basically going to try 504 00:26:37,266 --> 00:26:40,106 Speaker 3: to recreate what we did with the Marshan Podcast, which 505 00:26:40,186 --> 00:26:44,026 Speaker 3: is I'm going to bring on somebody where We're going 506 00:26:44,106 --> 00:26:47,666 Speaker 3: to talk about two maybe three topics that that are 507 00:26:47,706 --> 00:26:51,026 Speaker 3: affecting the sports the sports business mainly sports media, but 508 00:26:51,106 --> 00:26:55,266 Speaker 3: the sports business every uh every week. And then I'm 509 00:26:55,306 --> 00:26:58,106 Speaker 3: trying to get uh, you know, the big get and 510 00:26:58,506 --> 00:27:03,026 Speaker 3: and make that my my Sunday interview. So uh uh 511 00:27:03,746 --> 00:27:06,146 Speaker 3: we launched on Wednesday and we got Peyton Manning and 512 00:27:06,186 --> 00:27:09,106 Speaker 3: pay Manning's no matter how you look at him, he's 513 00:27:09,106 --> 00:27:11,506 Speaker 3: a big get and getting him sort of to talk 514 00:27:11,546 --> 00:27:16,586 Speaker 3: about his vision of media and and why he made 515 00:27:16,626 --> 00:27:19,026 Speaker 3: the decisions that he made in his post playing career 516 00:27:19,506 --> 00:27:24,466 Speaker 3: and we put that out on Wednesday. Our big get 517 00:27:24,666 --> 00:27:27,266 Speaker 3: Sunday is going to come this Sunday. I sat down 518 00:27:27,386 --> 00:27:32,626 Speaker 3: yesterday with Jimmy Pataro and up in Crystal, Connecticut. He's, 519 00:27:32,706 --> 00:27:36,066 Speaker 3: of course the head of ESPN, and really just just 520 00:27:36,266 --> 00:27:38,426 Speaker 3: talk to him for about forty five minutes just on 521 00:27:38,546 --> 00:27:41,546 Speaker 3: the future of media and hearing him talk about you know, 522 00:27:41,826 --> 00:27:45,826 Speaker 3: where things are going and ESPN Flagship, which is there 523 00:27:46,146 --> 00:27:50,186 Speaker 3: directed consumer service that they're launching next year, and of 524 00:27:50,306 --> 00:27:55,866 Speaker 3: course venue Spoolu, which was the ill fated streaming service 525 00:27:55,946 --> 00:28:00,426 Speaker 3: that the ESPN was trying to launch with Turner and 526 00:28:01,106 --> 00:28:05,306 Speaker 3: with Warner Brothers Discovery and with Fox and that that 527 00:28:05,466 --> 00:28:09,906 Speaker 3: was a fascinating confer station. Kathy Engelbert, the w NBA commissioner, 528 00:28:10,066 --> 00:28:12,546 Speaker 3: is another one that's gonna that We're gonna have the 529 00:28:12,666 --> 00:28:15,706 Speaker 3: following Sunday. So, uh, we're getting started with the bang. 530 00:28:15,786 --> 00:28:17,426 Speaker 3: It's going to be a lot of fun too. And 531 00:28:17,466 --> 00:28:19,186 Speaker 3: why are we doing it? I just had a lot 532 00:28:19,226 --> 00:28:20,386 Speaker 3: of fun doing it with Marshan. 533 00:28:20,746 --> 00:28:22,546 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think why there's an audience for it? 534 00:28:22,586 --> 00:28:23,346 Speaker 3: I think there is too. 535 00:28:23,546 --> 00:28:33,586 Speaker 2: Yeah, let me ask Pataro because I could go we 536 00:28:33,626 --> 00:28:35,706 Speaker 2: could do a whole other you know, forty minutes on 537 00:28:35,826 --> 00:28:38,946 Speaker 2: this or off this. But is he bullish on the 538 00:28:38,986 --> 00:28:41,106 Speaker 2: future of sports media? I know there was a huge 539 00:28:41,506 --> 00:28:44,386 Speaker 2: bubble with rights and there's been an expanded but like 540 00:28:44,906 --> 00:28:48,666 Speaker 2: you know, we've also seen the sports media business see 541 00:28:48,706 --> 00:28:51,946 Speaker 2: some layoffs, seen some seeing some busting of some companies, 542 00:28:52,146 --> 00:28:55,706 Speaker 2: and we have seen in the case of you know, 543 00:28:56,426 --> 00:28:59,506 Speaker 2: Warner Brothers Discovery actually saying you know what, we're not 544 00:28:59,666 --> 00:29:01,666 Speaker 2: going to pay that money and we're not going to 545 00:29:02,026 --> 00:29:04,106 Speaker 2: you know, go to that level to keep the NBA. Like, 546 00:29:04,146 --> 00:29:06,626 Speaker 2: where's the future of sports business? As far as you said, 547 00:29:06,666 --> 00:29:08,586 Speaker 2: see fully bullish on it or is he saying there 548 00:29:08,666 --> 00:29:11,106 Speaker 2: might be a little step back in the with the recession, 549 00:29:11,186 --> 00:29:12,906 Speaker 2: with whatever else is going on with the way that 550 00:29:12,986 --> 00:29:13,946 Speaker 2: these rights fees are going. 551 00:29:14,186 --> 00:29:18,066 Speaker 3: Well, he's bullish about it, but he's also very clear 552 00:29:18,186 --> 00:29:21,386 Speaker 3: eyed about all of the changes that are happening with 553 00:29:21,786 --> 00:29:24,586 Speaker 3: with sports, especially with ESPN, and I think we saw 554 00:29:24,666 --> 00:29:28,466 Speaker 3: that with the NBA deal and the UH and Warner 555 00:29:28,546 --> 00:29:31,986 Speaker 3: Brothers Discovery. I've been writing about cord cutting for a 556 00:29:32,106 --> 00:29:35,186 Speaker 3: decade now, and the cable industry is it's continued, and 557 00:29:35,746 --> 00:29:39,666 Speaker 3: that means CNT and ESPN, they continue to lose subscribers 558 00:29:39,706 --> 00:29:42,346 Speaker 3: at such a big rate, and so somebody like Jimmy 559 00:29:42,346 --> 00:29:45,626 Speaker 3: Pataro has to figure out, Okay, we have this declining 560 00:29:45,706 --> 00:29:48,466 Speaker 3: asset over here that's still so big and powerful of 561 00:29:48,746 --> 00:29:52,906 Speaker 3: ESPN the channel. What can we do to take that great, 562 00:29:53,066 --> 00:29:57,226 Speaker 3: big brand of ESPN start to stream and can and 563 00:29:57,426 --> 00:29:59,546 Speaker 3: and compete maybe a little bit more with you know, 564 00:29:59,666 --> 00:30:02,906 Speaker 3: the Netflix of the world, and and uh and and 565 00:30:03,026 --> 00:30:05,186 Speaker 3: move forward that way. And so we're at a sort 566 00:30:05,226 --> 00:30:08,666 Speaker 3: of a pivotal point right now where are things are 567 00:30:08,706 --> 00:30:12,506 Speaker 3: going to start to change pretty wildly. And so of 568 00:30:12,626 --> 00:30:15,226 Speaker 3: course he says he's bullish, and I do believe he's bullish, 569 00:30:15,626 --> 00:30:19,586 Speaker 3: but there are a lot of risky maneuvers that are 570 00:30:20,506 --> 00:30:23,706 Speaker 3: being taken over the next couple of years that's going 571 00:30:23,786 --> 00:30:27,026 Speaker 3: to really determine how we all watch sports going forward. 572 00:30:27,626 --> 00:30:33,146 Speaker 2: And let's be honest, Amazon, Apple, these are trillion dollar 573 00:30:33,266 --> 00:30:37,546 Speaker 2: companies that don't need sports necessarily, which when you look 574 00:30:37,586 --> 00:30:40,306 Speaker 2: at a Disney or Warner Brothers or a Fox or 575 00:30:40,386 --> 00:30:43,026 Speaker 2: a Paramount, it's like, no, sports is the lifeblood. So 576 00:30:43,066 --> 00:30:45,826 Speaker 2: it's a lot of these leagues too have to decide like, well, yes, 577 00:30:45,906 --> 00:30:48,786 Speaker 2: we can get in bed with the big eyes, but 578 00:30:49,306 --> 00:30:51,066 Speaker 2: where are we long term with them? And are we 579 00:30:51,146 --> 00:30:52,986 Speaker 2: still the apples of their eye. It's actually a really 580 00:30:53,026 --> 00:30:55,986 Speaker 2: interesting dynamic, and the money has to make sense from 581 00:30:56,026 --> 00:30:56,546 Speaker 2: both sides. 582 00:30:57,786 --> 00:31:01,426 Speaker 3: But that's totally true, because if you're advising a league, 583 00:31:01,506 --> 00:31:04,706 Speaker 3: I would say, whatever you do, do not get into 584 00:31:04,786 --> 00:31:07,506 Speaker 3: bed with Amazon. That's a like you said, a three 585 00:31:07,666 --> 00:31:11,986 Speaker 3: trillion dollar company that could decide they could they could 586 00:31:12,186 --> 00:31:14,386 Speaker 3: have a management change and somebody could say, why are 587 00:31:14,466 --> 00:31:16,546 Speaker 3: we doing video and sports, Let's get out of it, 588 00:31:16,986 --> 00:31:19,546 Speaker 3: and they'll get out of it and it won't hurt 589 00:31:19,786 --> 00:31:23,746 Speaker 3: the stock price at all. Could you imagine if Disney said, Okay, 590 00:31:23,786 --> 00:31:27,666 Speaker 3: we're getting out of sports, or if we're getting out 591 00:31:27,666 --> 00:31:31,706 Speaker 3: of sports, their whole life depends on sports. Yeah, that's 592 00:31:31,746 --> 00:31:35,586 Speaker 3: absolutely a true dynamic. There's the promise of money, and 593 00:31:35,666 --> 00:31:37,706 Speaker 3: the promise of growth and the promise of the future, 594 00:31:38,026 --> 00:31:42,666 Speaker 3: and then there's the comfort of being with somebody who 595 00:31:43,626 --> 00:31:44,506 Speaker 3: exists because of you. 596 00:31:44,746 --> 00:31:47,786 Speaker 2: Basically, yeah, let me give you three quick, rapid fire 597 00:31:47,906 --> 00:31:50,946 Speaker 2: random NFL sports media questions and then we'll wrap this. 598 00:31:51,026 --> 00:31:53,106 Speaker 2: I so appreciate you taking the time, especially on launch 599 00:31:53,186 --> 00:31:59,866 Speaker 2: day for your podcast. This year, the NFL is adding 600 00:31:59,946 --> 00:32:05,386 Speaker 2: in a new element to broadcasts where the sideline reporter 601 00:32:05,666 --> 00:32:06,986 Speaker 2: or the people up in the with MU sure how 602 00:32:06,986 --> 00:32:09,266 Speaker 2: they're gonna do it. It's going to speak in game 603 00:32:09,906 --> 00:32:13,106 Speaker 2: with either the head coach, the offensive coordinator, the defensive coordinator, 604 00:32:13,146 --> 00:32:15,906 Speaker 2: the special teams coordinator. The NFL wants to create more 605 00:32:15,986 --> 00:32:19,066 Speaker 2: access for the fans than it is. Uh fan of 606 00:32:19,186 --> 00:32:21,506 Speaker 2: this or not a fan of this. As someone who 607 00:32:21,546 --> 00:32:23,986 Speaker 2: has been watching it in the NBA and baseball for many. 608 00:32:23,866 --> 00:32:29,506 Speaker 3: Years, I'm gonna this. I'm the worst guest here because 609 00:32:29,626 --> 00:32:31,306 Speaker 3: I'm not going to give you a good answer. 610 00:32:31,586 --> 00:32:31,706 Speaker 2: Uh. 611 00:32:32,866 --> 00:32:36,626 Speaker 3: If there's a good sideline reporter that knows somebody that's 612 00:32:36,706 --> 00:32:39,706 Speaker 3: going to be able to open up and and present 613 00:32:39,826 --> 00:32:42,386 Speaker 3: a good interview, I am totally a fan of it. 614 00:32:42,826 --> 00:32:45,146 Speaker 3: Why wouldn't you want to hear like, oh, you know what, 615 00:32:45,306 --> 00:32:47,546 Speaker 3: we tried. We tried to do this and it didn't work, 616 00:32:47,586 --> 00:32:54,666 Speaker 3: and now we're going Uh. Unfortunately, the coaches are generally 617 00:32:55,186 --> 00:32:58,066 Speaker 3: uh uh, they're not going to open up. We haven't 618 00:32:58,066 --> 00:32:59,746 Speaker 3: seen them open up yet. And I just want to 619 00:32:59,786 --> 00:33:01,866 Speaker 3: see the play on the field. That's all I'm That's 620 00:33:01,866 --> 00:33:05,066 Speaker 3: all I'm focused on. So it's it's totally dependent on 621 00:33:05,586 --> 00:33:09,546 Speaker 3: people in the on the sideline reporters, knowing who to 622 00:33:09,666 --> 00:33:13,506 Speaker 3: go to, asking the right questions and getting the right responses. 623 00:33:13,586 --> 00:33:16,226 Speaker 3: If we can get that, yeah, absolutely, I want more access. 624 00:33:17,346 --> 00:33:20,066 Speaker 2: All right, let me go in on this one, because 625 00:33:20,586 --> 00:33:22,466 Speaker 2: of course my podcast, I'll make it all about me. 626 00:33:22,546 --> 00:33:24,786 Speaker 2: A couple of years ago, I did a Saturday game 627 00:33:25,346 --> 00:33:30,506 Speaker 2: on NFL Network, Bills versus Dolphins up in Buffalo, bad weather, 628 00:33:30,866 --> 00:33:33,666 Speaker 2: They're throwing snowballs, the whole thing, And at halftime we 629 00:33:33,866 --> 00:33:36,666 Speaker 2: had one of these and it was myself and Mike McDaniel, 630 00:33:36,786 --> 00:33:39,586 Speaker 2: and it was an interview that was off the rails. 631 00:33:39,826 --> 00:33:44,346 Speaker 2: McDaniel was incredible. He was alive and hilarious, and he 632 00:33:44,706 --> 00:33:46,426 Speaker 2: did great banter back and forth with me. I've known 633 00:33:46,506 --> 00:33:48,426 Speaker 2: him for ten years. We had a blast and it 634 00:33:48,546 --> 00:33:51,346 Speaker 2: went viral and it more people remembered that interview than 635 00:33:51,386 --> 00:33:54,626 Speaker 2: the actual game itself. Now is that great? Probably not 636 00:33:54,786 --> 00:33:57,146 Speaker 2: for the overall product of the NFL football, But in 637 00:33:57,306 --> 00:34:00,146 Speaker 2: that moment, it was pretty cool to see Mike's personality. 638 00:34:00,546 --> 00:34:03,186 Speaker 2: I would argue guys like him Sean Payton McVeigh like, 639 00:34:03,706 --> 00:34:05,226 Speaker 2: I think it's pretty cool to have this. 640 00:34:05,506 --> 00:34:08,506 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yeah, totally. But all of a sudden you're 641 00:34:08,546 --> 00:34:09,506 Speaker 3: running up to Belichick. 642 00:34:10,906 --> 00:34:11,426 Speaker 2: I guess. 643 00:34:13,626 --> 00:34:15,386 Speaker 3: That would be fun in its own right as well, 644 00:34:15,546 --> 00:34:19,346 Speaker 3: But it totally depends on people like you, the relate 645 00:34:19,426 --> 00:34:22,946 Speaker 3: relationships that you have and the getting the people to 646 00:34:23,026 --> 00:34:25,426 Speaker 3: open up. If if you can't, then boy, that's a 647 00:34:25,706 --> 00:34:29,266 Speaker 3: Is there anything more terrible than some of the sideline 648 00:34:29,306 --> 00:34:30,586 Speaker 3: interviews where they. 649 00:34:30,546 --> 00:34:32,946 Speaker 2: Say no, they're all just one word and then you 650 00:34:33,066 --> 00:34:35,306 Speaker 2: just yeah, And especially during the NBA games, and you're like, 651 00:34:35,346 --> 00:34:37,146 Speaker 2: there's an actual game going on in a smaller box, 652 00:34:37,186 --> 00:34:40,266 Speaker 2: why are we listening to this ladder? Yeah? Second one, 653 00:34:41,826 --> 00:34:44,546 Speaker 2: I was at the Fox Seminar which was out in 654 00:34:44,626 --> 00:34:46,746 Speaker 2: California about a month ago, and I had this new 655 00:34:46,826 --> 00:34:49,626 Speaker 2: colleague and we had the most passionate forty five minute 656 00:34:49,706 --> 00:34:54,146 Speaker 2: conversation himself and I about the new rules and how 657 00:34:54,186 --> 00:34:57,026 Speaker 2: it affects quarterbacks. And this guy was so dialed in 658 00:34:57,186 --> 00:34:59,186 Speaker 2: that I walked away being like I was transfixed with 659 00:34:59,266 --> 00:35:01,706 Speaker 2: every word he said. That guy's name is Tom Brady. 660 00:35:01,786 --> 00:35:05,266 Speaker 2: I am very bullish on Tom Brady the broadcaster. What 661 00:35:05,426 --> 00:35:07,626 Speaker 2: have you heard from my FI colleagues? Because I have 662 00:35:07,826 --> 00:35:09,946 Speaker 2: not been in any of these practice games that he's 663 00:35:09,986 --> 00:35:11,786 Speaker 2: been doing with Burkhart, and I know you've got sources 664 00:35:11,786 --> 00:35:12,626 Speaker 2: all over that building. 665 00:35:12,946 --> 00:35:15,666 Speaker 3: Uh. Tom, Well, the thing about Tom Brady is that 666 00:35:16,546 --> 00:35:20,786 Speaker 3: he sees the game differently than anybody else. As you 667 00:35:20,986 --> 00:35:26,226 Speaker 3: just described, He's used to talking in short bursts because 668 00:35:26,266 --> 00:35:28,066 Speaker 3: he's a quarterback. He has to call a play and 669 00:35:28,346 --> 00:35:29,266 Speaker 3: what's a play clock at? 670 00:35:29,346 --> 00:35:29,826 Speaker 2: Now? You know that? 671 00:35:30,146 --> 00:35:33,266 Speaker 3: And he has to call play before that that runs out. 672 00:35:34,026 --> 00:35:38,146 Speaker 3: He's a he's a television star. He know, he knows 673 00:35:38,186 --> 00:35:42,546 Speaker 3: how to present himself. I am, I haven't gotten Fox 674 00:35:42,666 --> 00:35:45,706 Speaker 3: has been locked down that there's they have I have. 675 00:35:45,786 --> 00:35:47,746 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm being honest with you. I'm I've been 676 00:35:47,786 --> 00:35:51,186 Speaker 2: there twenty years. I Am like they're got I Detective Burkhart, 677 00:35:51,186 --> 00:35:52,826 Speaker 2: I'm like, give me something. He's like, it's been great, 678 00:35:53,026 --> 00:35:56,466 Speaker 2: Like there has been nothing leaking from Zaeger, nothing leaking 679 00:35:56,546 --> 00:35:59,106 Speaker 2: from Shank Like it is science and Ruso don't talk 680 00:35:59,146 --> 00:36:01,866 Speaker 2: about it. It's like, let's just a veili a week 681 00:36:01,866 --> 00:36:03,306 Speaker 2: one because it's going to blow you away. I don't know. 682 00:36:03,346 --> 00:36:04,066 Speaker 2: That's how I look at it. 683 00:36:04,546 --> 00:36:07,146 Speaker 3: I think they're scared to leak it because because I look, 684 00:36:07,186 --> 00:36:10,066 Speaker 3: I've been covering this this beat for thirty years. I'm 685 00:36:10,306 --> 00:36:13,746 Speaker 3: deep into Fox, and I get the same problem, like, oh, Yeah, 686 00:36:13,786 --> 00:36:17,306 Speaker 3: he's great. You're gonna love him. I think he's gonna 687 00:36:17,346 --> 00:36:19,666 Speaker 3: be really good. I would be really shocked if he 688 00:36:19,786 --> 00:36:21,946 Speaker 3: doesn't come in. I think he's gonna be one of 689 00:36:21,986 --> 00:36:25,706 Speaker 3: these analysts that you're gonna that, uh, you're he's just gonna, 690 00:36:26,226 --> 00:36:28,146 Speaker 3: like I said, he sees his game differently, and he's 691 00:36:28,186 --> 00:36:30,586 Speaker 3: gonna be able to explain it in a white way. 692 00:36:30,666 --> 00:36:34,546 Speaker 3: That's gonna make me just like look and enjoy the 693 00:36:34,586 --> 00:36:40,746 Speaker 3: game differently. Okay, A quick complaint though, uh yeah, please. 694 00:36:42,106 --> 00:36:43,906 Speaker 3: By the way, I know I should get Sunday ticket, 695 00:36:44,026 --> 00:36:46,146 Speaker 3: but I live in d C. I have to watch 696 00:36:46,386 --> 00:36:51,226 Speaker 3: the Commanders and the Bucks instead of Tom Brady's opening 697 00:36:51,306 --> 00:36:52,506 Speaker 3: game The Browns. 698 00:36:52,306 --> 00:36:56,946 Speaker 2: And Window command Yes, in DC, let me tell you 699 00:36:57,026 --> 00:36:58,466 Speaker 2: about let me tell you a little thing about this 700 00:36:58,546 --> 00:37:01,186 Speaker 2: jade and Daniels, and I think you're gonna be just 701 00:37:01,306 --> 00:37:04,106 Speaker 2: fine watching Jadeen Daniels. I have been very bullish on him. 702 00:37:04,146 --> 00:37:05,666 Speaker 2: I have him as my number one breakout player of 703 00:37:05,706 --> 00:37:07,466 Speaker 2: the year. I think you guys in DC are going 704 00:37:07,506 --> 00:37:10,506 Speaker 2: to be blown away with what you're getting. Don't You 705 00:37:10,586 --> 00:37:12,826 Speaker 2: don't need to watch the Browns Cowboys Week one. You'll 706 00:37:12,826 --> 00:37:17,066 Speaker 2: get your Brady eventually, all Right, my last one here 707 00:37:17,946 --> 00:37:22,066 Speaker 2: as as we wrap it's it's obviously the year after 708 00:37:22,266 --> 00:37:27,146 Speaker 2: Taylor Swift entered our our football lexicon and they brought 709 00:37:27,866 --> 00:37:30,186 Speaker 2: the results in the effects of the Taylor Swift was 710 00:37:30,226 --> 00:37:32,506 Speaker 2: that a one year wonder does this thing drift off 711 00:37:32,586 --> 00:37:36,226 Speaker 2: the second year where it is truly America's past time 712 00:37:36,266 --> 00:37:38,306 Speaker 2: and we're going to see huger ratings this season. 713 00:37:38,986 --> 00:37:44,386 Speaker 3: We're going to see a pretty significant ratings drop this season. Uh, 714 00:37:44,746 --> 00:37:49,946 Speaker 3: the the election historically has taken viewers away from the NFL. 715 00:37:50,266 --> 00:37:52,066 Speaker 2: You would think that they is their numbers like every 716 00:37:52,146 --> 00:37:55,426 Speaker 2: four years, the November and December, November and October ratings 717 00:37:55,426 --> 00:37:57,746 Speaker 2: are down because we were watching like MSNBC. 718 00:37:57,386 --> 00:38:00,626 Speaker 3: And not every not every year, but that's that's the 719 00:38:00,786 --> 00:38:02,066 Speaker 3: general trend that happens. 720 00:38:03,026 --> 00:38:03,626 Speaker 2: That's interesting. 721 00:38:03,906 --> 00:38:07,426 Speaker 3: There's also uh, well it's podcast. So I'm going to 722 00:38:07,466 --> 00:38:10,586 Speaker 3: go inside baseball here. Last year there was the writers 723 00:38:10,626 --> 00:38:14,466 Speaker 3: strike and so because of the writer's strike, ABC had 724 00:38:14,546 --> 00:38:18,626 Speaker 3: nothing to put on on its schedule. So the NFL 725 00:38:18,746 --> 00:38:21,906 Speaker 3: is allowed into simulcast. So all of a sudden, you're 726 00:38:21,946 --> 00:38:25,266 Speaker 3: not gonna you're not gonna have all of those games 727 00:38:25,346 --> 00:38:29,306 Speaker 3: on a broadcast network, getting all of those ratings points 728 00:38:29,706 --> 00:38:33,026 Speaker 3: uh and it was being simulcast, so almost certainly you're 729 00:38:33,066 --> 00:38:35,826 Speaker 3: going to see a ratings drop. Your question, though, was 730 00:38:35,866 --> 00:38:39,306 Speaker 3: about the Taylor Swift and as long as uh Kelsey 731 00:38:39,666 --> 00:38:42,866 Speaker 3: remains on the Chiefs and as long as they remained dating, 732 00:38:43,186 --> 00:38:47,026 Speaker 3: I would expect that that that it's I think that 733 00:38:48,746 --> 00:38:52,066 Speaker 3: the people that I talked to say that Taylor Swift 734 00:38:52,266 --> 00:38:55,306 Speaker 3: was responsible for, you know, a little bit of the bump. 735 00:38:55,386 --> 00:38:59,546 Speaker 3: It's not as massive as as some people have ever reported, 736 00:38:59,786 --> 00:39:02,066 Speaker 3: but I would think that that bump would exist as 737 00:39:02,146 --> 00:39:04,706 Speaker 3: long as they date and as long as he plays a. 738 00:39:04,746 --> 00:39:07,946 Speaker 2: Lot of It's anecdotal, right like you here, Like you know, 739 00:39:08,386 --> 00:39:10,306 Speaker 2: obviously I talk to everyone. I'm a dad myself, and 740 00:39:10,346 --> 00:39:12,866 Speaker 2: it'd be like, you know, my daughter never cared and 741 00:39:12,946 --> 00:39:16,186 Speaker 2: now she's twelve and she's watching Chiefs football on four 742 00:39:16,226 --> 00:39:19,026 Speaker 2: point thirty on Sunday, watching Tracy Wolfson and you know, 743 00:39:19,346 --> 00:39:21,226 Speaker 2: Nance and Romo every week and she would have never 744 00:39:21,426 --> 00:39:23,506 Speaker 2: wanted to, but she's doing it in pursuits of seeing 745 00:39:23,546 --> 00:39:27,066 Speaker 2: Taylor Swift. That's real, right, Like, that's a real anecdote, 746 00:39:27,106 --> 00:39:30,266 Speaker 2: and I think people have shared that. The question is 747 00:39:30,866 --> 00:39:33,306 Speaker 2: is there a halo effect of Oh I came into 748 00:39:34,106 --> 00:39:36,186 Speaker 2: watching football because I wanted to see Taylor Swift. But 749 00:39:36,546 --> 00:39:39,106 Speaker 2: now I'm going to watch Saints versus Eagles on a 750 00:39:39,226 --> 00:39:41,866 Speaker 2: Sunday because I don't know. I don't know if that 751 00:39:42,026 --> 00:39:43,786 Speaker 2: exists if you're not a hardcore fan, or if you're 752 00:39:43,786 --> 00:39:44,706 Speaker 2: not a football fan at all. 753 00:39:44,786 --> 00:39:47,546 Speaker 3: Yeah, I have daughters that wanted to tune in to 754 00:39:47,626 --> 00:39:50,746 Speaker 3: see if Taylor was at the actual game, and I 755 00:39:51,346 --> 00:39:53,706 Speaker 3: couldn't care less about what was happening on the field. 756 00:39:53,946 --> 00:39:57,346 Speaker 3: So yeah, I didn't raise that. I didn't raise that, right, Peter. 757 00:39:58,266 --> 00:40:02,026 Speaker 2: No, that's okay, that's okay. Your oriol your Oriel. Can 758 00:40:02,066 --> 00:40:05,226 Speaker 2: we talk? Can we talk about my O's let's go. 759 00:40:05,986 --> 00:40:08,506 Speaker 2: I just I see it going one way here. As 760 00:40:08,586 --> 00:40:11,346 Speaker 2: you know, my wife's family is all Baltimore. They're Orioles 761 00:40:11,386 --> 00:40:14,506 Speaker 2: fans through and through, Ravens fans, Colts fans before that, 762 00:40:15,066 --> 00:40:17,466 Speaker 2: and my father in law, David was just lamenting me. 763 00:40:17,506 --> 00:40:19,546 Speaker 2: I don't even watch baseball anymore, and he's just lamenting 764 00:40:19,626 --> 00:40:22,186 Speaker 2: to me, like five starting pitchers all in the DL 765 00:40:22,306 --> 00:40:24,226 Speaker 2: three aren't coming back. You're Yankee. I'm like, I'm not. 766 00:40:24,266 --> 00:40:26,666 Speaker 2: They're not my Yankees. He's like, whatever, New York's Yankees. 767 00:40:26,666 --> 00:40:28,426 Speaker 2: I'm like, all right, go on, So you could either 768 00:40:28,786 --> 00:40:31,146 Speaker 2: be positive or negative right now. I'm Dunner Henderson and 769 00:40:31,186 --> 00:40:31,546 Speaker 2: the boys. 770 00:40:31,866 --> 00:40:34,786 Speaker 3: Oh, I'm old. I'm totally positive. All of my friends 771 00:40:34,786 --> 00:40:37,146 Speaker 3: are like your father in law, like they're just like, oh, 772 00:40:37,186 --> 00:40:40,546 Speaker 3: we're not gonna win. After the last twenty five years, 773 00:40:40,586 --> 00:40:44,986 Speaker 3: we're playing meaningful baseball in September, Like, who can't love this? 774 00:40:45,906 --> 00:40:48,866 Speaker 3: I we're not set up to win the World Series 775 00:40:48,906 --> 00:40:51,786 Speaker 3: this year, but we have a great, fun, young team 776 00:40:51,866 --> 00:40:55,266 Speaker 3: that's so much fun to watch. So I'm still in 777 00:40:55,386 --> 00:40:59,546 Speaker 3: the honeymoon phase with watching good baseball, so I'm okay 778 00:40:59,626 --> 00:41:01,306 Speaker 3: with it, even though I don't think they're gonna win. 779 00:41:01,786 --> 00:41:04,906 Speaker 2: My son is seven turning eight in October, and he 780 00:41:04,946 --> 00:41:07,066 Speaker 2: thinks the funniest thing is He's says to me, I 781 00:41:07,226 --> 00:41:09,706 Speaker 2: like two teams, the Orioles and whoever's playing the Yankees. 782 00:41:09,746 --> 00:41:12,786 Speaker 2: I'm like, that's not cool fun. So we're raising them 783 00:41:12,866 --> 00:41:13,906 Speaker 2: right in our house for him. 784 00:41:13,906 --> 00:41:15,346 Speaker 3: All Right, we have a good young team. The worlds 785 00:41:15,346 --> 00:41:16,866 Speaker 3: are going to be good for a long time. 786 00:41:17,466 --> 00:41:20,186 Speaker 2: I know, I know, I know. All right, John, good 787 00:41:20,266 --> 00:41:22,986 Speaker 2: luck with the podcast. Love reading your stuff, and I 788 00:41:23,146 --> 00:41:26,426 Speaker 2: so appreciate you coming on to help decipher that private 789 00:41:26,466 --> 00:41:28,786 Speaker 2: equity situation here in the NFL on my show. So 790 00:41:29,066 --> 00:41:30,986 Speaker 2: appreciate it and have an amazing week and enjoy the 791 00:41:31,106 --> 00:41:32,146 Speaker 2: start of the nflc. 792 00:41:31,946 --> 00:41:32,706 Speaker 3: Hey, thanks for having me on. 793 00:41:32,786 --> 00:41:33,306 Speaker 2: This is great. 794 00:41:33,426 --> 00:41:34,026 Speaker 3: Really enjoyed it. 795 00:41:34,506 --> 00:41:45,626 Speaker 2: That's awesome. You're the man, all right, Thanks John. John's great. 796 00:41:45,746 --> 00:41:47,706 Speaker 2: I think he's, you know, a leader in his field. 797 00:41:47,786 --> 00:41:49,146 Speaker 2: He's been doing it for many years. Say he's been 798 00:41:50,066 --> 00:41:52,626 Speaker 2: getting scoops at Fox for thirty years, and I believe it. 799 00:41:52,746 --> 00:41:54,746 Speaker 2: I find out stuff from him before I read the 800 00:41:54,786 --> 00:41:57,026 Speaker 2: press releases or we hear it from the old companies 801 00:41:57,066 --> 00:42:00,586 Speaker 2: I work at. So John has dialed in love talking 802 00:42:00,626 --> 00:42:02,266 Speaker 2: to him and that private equity thing, all right, So 803 00:42:02,346 --> 00:42:05,066 Speaker 2: don't be scared. Your team isn't being bought by you know, 804 00:42:05,866 --> 00:42:07,866 Speaker 2: Robert Barry or whatever you're worried about. When you see 805 00:42:07,906 --> 00:42:09,666 Speaker 2: that headline, I was nervous. I like it when it's 806 00:42:09,746 --> 00:42:11,906 Speaker 2: just like family owned or here's a guy who bought 807 00:42:11,946 --> 00:42:13,746 Speaker 2: the team with his hard earned money and not just 808 00:42:13,906 --> 00:42:16,306 Speaker 2: major corporation coming in and buying it. But it seems 809 00:42:16,346 --> 00:42:20,186 Speaker 2: like John's right ten percent as a maximum is not 810 00:42:20,986 --> 00:42:23,506 Speaker 2: taking over a majority of the ownership. So that's cool. 811 00:42:23,506 --> 00:42:26,746 Speaker 2: That he deciphered that for us Aerin. We've got a 812 00:42:26,786 --> 00:42:28,466 Speaker 2: couple of days left, and then next week I'll do 813 00:42:28,506 --> 00:42:30,666 Speaker 2: all my predictions on the pod. We'll break them all down. 814 00:42:30,866 --> 00:42:33,066 Speaker 2: I think we're gonna do everything but my Superwole prediction, 815 00:42:33,226 --> 00:42:35,306 Speaker 2: and then we'll do a Superwol Prediction special episode. But 816 00:42:35,346 --> 00:42:37,866 Speaker 2: I'll be in Los Angeles for Good Morning Football. Back 817 00:42:37,906 --> 00:42:41,626 Speaker 2: on the road. We'll get rocking. I so appreciate everybody listening. 818 00:42:42,586 --> 00:42:45,586 Speaker 2: Good Morning Football is on Monday to Friday. I'll be 819 00:42:45,706 --> 00:42:47,466 Speaker 2: back on next week and then every day after that, 820 00:42:47,866 --> 00:42:50,306 Speaker 2: and then I'll be on Fox NFL Kickoff on Sundays, 821 00:42:50,306 --> 00:42:52,906 Speaker 2: and we'll be doing this pod throughout the season. 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