WEBVTT - Jaguars Happy Hour: Thursday, December 19 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:03.240 Is Jaguar's foot daw not. This just got He's going 0:00:03.279 --> 0:00:08.360 to the defeat five touch down Jaguars. They beat the Steelers. 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:20.200 It is Thursday, December. This is Jaguars Happy Hour and 0:00:20.400 --> 0:00:29.720 now impeached former assistant sanitation director from Trustville, Alabama, Jay Pa, 0:00:30.840 --> 0:00:33.520 get through the Senate though, so I don't know. Welcome 0:00:33.600 --> 0:00:38.320 in Jaguars Happy Hour. I'm J P. Shadrick. He's Jeff Lagoman. 0:00:38.920 --> 0:00:40.839 Tony Boselli you might have heard of him, will be 0:00:40.880 --> 0:00:45.760 in shortly. He is in roots and we've got a 0:00:45.800 --> 0:00:49.000 lot to discuss today on this program. Something happened, yes, something, 0:00:49.040 --> 0:00:52.040 A few things have happened. Yes, Tom Coughlin is no 0:00:52.120 --> 0:00:54.880 longer employed by the Jacksonville Jaguars. Will lead of his duties. 0:00:54.920 --> 0:00:57.440 Will cover all of that. We'll hear from head coach 0:00:57.520 --> 0:01:01.560 Doug Morone. He spoke again today, which is not normally 0:01:01.560 --> 0:01:04.360 doesn't normally speak on Thursdays except on this program, The 0:01:04.760 --> 0:01:07.200 Doug Moron Show, but he did speak with the media 0:01:07.240 --> 0:01:10.199 today after the happenings last evening. We'll get some player 0:01:10.280 --> 0:01:12.679 reaction in the locker room as well, but really it's 0:01:12.680 --> 0:01:16.200 on too Atlanta. That's up next for this team. Everybody 0:01:16.200 --> 0:01:18.160 here knows they have to win football games down the 0:01:18.240 --> 0:01:20.960 last two weeks of the season. Falcons this week and 0:01:21.080 --> 0:01:24.080 the Colts next. What does the future hold? Will discuss 0:01:24.160 --> 0:01:27.399 some of that with Jeff Darlington's ESPN reporter, who had 0:01:27.440 --> 0:01:30.720 some tweets involving the Jaguars the last couple of days. 0:01:31.560 --> 0:01:34.520 That's all coming up on this program. Tom Coughlin, out 0:01:34.680 --> 0:01:38.240 as the executive vice president of football Operations and Jaguars 0:01:38.240 --> 0:01:42.000 owner shot Con put out a statement yesterday and last 0:01:42.040 --> 0:01:44.760 evening in fact when it happened, and said he had 0:01:44.800 --> 0:01:48.400 thought about this earlier in the fall and thought about 0:01:48.480 --> 0:01:51.600 doing it at the end of the season. He reconsidered 0:01:51.680 --> 0:01:55.880 after the recent days events and made the change immediately, 0:01:56.280 --> 0:01:58.200 and he later said that Dave Colwell and Doug Moron 0:01:58.280 --> 0:02:01.440 will each report directly to him on an interim basis. 0:02:02.240 --> 0:02:04.960 His expectations and those of Jacks fans for the final 0:02:05.000 --> 0:02:10.120 two games and season are high. So after everything that 0:02:10.160 --> 0:02:12.400 had happened with the Players Association, it seemed like that 0:02:12.480 --> 0:02:16.040 was the last straw and the final two lines of 0:02:16.040 --> 0:02:18.799 that letter from the p A. It really had a 0:02:18.880 --> 0:02:21.040 damaging effect, I think, and could have had a damaging 0:02:21.080 --> 0:02:23.760 effect on this organization. Oh I don't. I don't think 0:02:23.800 --> 0:02:27.160 there's any doubt. And I think that that was the 0:02:27.200 --> 0:02:31.280 reason why the time frame for letting Tom Coughlan go 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:35.480 was pushed up, because if you know, because there first 0:02:35.480 --> 0:02:39.120 of all, there were reports out there that that Tom Coughlin, 0:02:39.200 --> 0:02:42.600 you know, and people on different articles wrote this, said, hey, 0:02:42.600 --> 0:02:44.160 why don't we just let him get to the end 0:02:44.160 --> 0:02:46.200 of the season and then he you know, he reports 0:02:46.240 --> 0:02:51.200 are that he was going to retire, resign, whatever, and uh, 0:02:51.320 --> 0:02:54.080 first of all, I don't believe those reports. That's not 0:02:54.160 --> 0:02:58.200 how Tom Coughlin is wired. And I think Shot Khan, 0:02:58.400 --> 0:03:02.400 as the owner of the this organization, after what the 0:03:02.520 --> 0:03:06.000 NFL p A put out, he wanted to be able 0:03:06.040 --> 0:03:11.960 to counteract the the magnitude of their statement, and the 0:03:12.000 --> 0:03:14.920 magnitude of their statement was it was a It was 0:03:15.280 --> 0:03:18.880 letting every player in the National Football League know that 0:03:19.000 --> 0:03:23.040 Jacksonville is not an attractive place. And so if as 0:03:23.040 --> 0:03:27.040 an owner, shot concert back and did nothing, then if 0:03:27.160 --> 0:03:30.640 that story still goes on and it still reverberates around 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:36.440 the National Football League, by acting and terminating the employment 0:03:36.440 --> 0:03:40.720 of Tom Coughlin, it's a response to that, letting players 0:03:40.800 --> 0:03:43.800 know I think around the league that hey, look, that's 0:03:43.840 --> 0:03:46.320 not how we're gonna do business. That's not how we 0:03:46.360 --> 0:03:49.440 want to do business. We want to be an attractive 0:03:49.520 --> 0:03:53.400 place for you as players and uh. And I think 0:03:53.440 --> 0:03:56.160 that that's why the time frame of it change. That's 0:03:56.160 --> 0:03:58.640 why he moved it up, because if you don't move 0:03:58.640 --> 0:04:02.080 it up, then you're not responding to such a strong 0:04:02.200 --> 0:04:05.920 statement by the union. And I've never seen a strong 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:08.280 statement like that. You've been at it for a lot 0:04:08.320 --> 0:04:09.880 longer than I. You're looking not been a part of 0:04:09.920 --> 0:04:14.080 the union for many years. I was an executive committee 0:04:14.160 --> 0:04:17.240 vice president of the union for a few years. I mean, 0:04:17.320 --> 0:04:21.599 so as a union, we never did that when I 0:04:21.640 --> 0:04:24.320 was a part of it. I never I've never seen 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:28.560 the union do anything like that. And I contacted some 0:04:28.600 --> 0:04:30.600 people and I said, you know, give me an idea 0:04:31.680 --> 0:04:33.760 of you know, how many grievances are we talking about 0:04:33.800 --> 0:04:39.600 on an annual basis to where the Jaguars have And 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:42.440 they're like, look, are you know our legal department. We 0:04:42.440 --> 0:04:44.600 don't want to we don't want to let that out. 0:04:45.080 --> 0:04:46.920 And I think the reason why they didn't want to 0:04:46.960 --> 0:04:49.640 let that out is because they said what they wanted 0:04:49.680 --> 0:04:51.920 to say and they wanted to end it. They didn't 0:04:51.920 --> 0:04:55.240 want to have the conversation to continue and graphs. No, 0:04:55.279 --> 0:04:56.520 they don't want them. They don't want to have a 0:04:56.520 --> 0:04:59.120 conversation with anybody about that. You know, they said what 0:04:59.160 --> 0:05:04.600 they said. But my guess is somewhat educated guests, is 0:05:05.080 --> 0:05:08.360 ballpark of in a year there might be twenty to 0:05:08.440 --> 0:05:12.599 forty grievances in a year maybe, so you mean you 0:05:12.640 --> 0:05:18.120 do the math or you know, so that might be. 0:05:18.839 --> 0:05:24.000 If it's thirty, obviously it's a handful, and if it's forty, 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:27.000 it can be a lot more than that. But to 0:05:27.080 --> 0:05:30.800 your point, Mr Khan had to make a big move 0:05:30.839 --> 0:05:34.320 in response to that too, because this organization obviously has 0:05:34.360 --> 0:05:37.119 to work with the players Association. That's how this business works. 0:05:37.160 --> 0:05:40.360 They have to moving ahead, be able to compete and 0:05:40.560 --> 0:05:42.920 have players know that this is the place they can 0:05:42.920 --> 0:05:47.400 go work. Well, look, the reality is, and I said this, 0:05:48.440 --> 0:05:52.960 I've talked about this a little bit yesterday. I've been 0:05:52.960 --> 0:05:56.200 in that position before, having to go down and to 0:05:56.320 --> 0:06:00.040 knock on Tom Coughlin's door. You know, I had to 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:02.520 do it many times in the early years when he 0:06:02.600 --> 0:06:06.839 would try to bends break certain rules that were collectively 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:09.160 bargained And I don't want people to understand because a 0:06:09.200 --> 0:06:12.040 lot of people think that that these are these are 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:18.599 union rules. It's not union rules. It is collectively bargained, 0:06:18.760 --> 0:06:23.920 agreed upon rules by the NFL, the Management Council, and 0:06:24.000 --> 0:06:27.039 the union. This is a joint set of rules. It's 0:06:27.040 --> 0:06:29.560 not some set of rules that the NFL p A 0:06:29.720 --> 0:06:34.880 throws out there. It's everybody's playing, everybody's on the same page. 0:06:34.960 --> 0:06:37.240 Everybody knows this is the plane field that we're under. 0:06:37.279 --> 0:06:41.560 This is a set of rules. And and with with Tom, 0:06:41.640 --> 0:06:44.360 I always appreciated the amount of rules that he had 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:49.040 and always appreciated how he had kind of a zero 0:06:49.160 --> 0:06:52.800 low tolerance policy for everybody to adhere to his rules. 0:06:52.839 --> 0:06:56.279 But there were times when there were fines that were 0:06:56.360 --> 0:07:02.120 were unjustified and we're we're controversial, and I had to 0:07:02.160 --> 0:07:04.479 be don't want to go down there, knock on that 0:07:04.600 --> 0:07:08.240 door and explain to him. And and I said this 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:12.120 many times for being a rules guy, such a rules 0:07:12.160 --> 0:07:14.720 guy as Tom Coughlin is. And and I'm not trying 0:07:14.800 --> 0:07:16.560 to beat the guy up, because I got a lot 0:07:16.600 --> 0:07:19.960 of respect for Tom, but as much of a of 0:07:20.000 --> 0:07:22.800 a rules guy that he is, and that he has 0:07:22.840 --> 0:07:25.560 a law, a very long set of rules. He did 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:28.400 it as a as a coach, and then obviously as 0:07:28.440 --> 0:07:30.440 an e v P he still had a set of 0:07:30.520 --> 0:07:33.520 rules that the team was to abide by. But as 0:07:33.520 --> 0:07:36.240 a as a guy, or as a leader, or as 0:07:36.280 --> 0:07:38.559 a coach, or as an e v P that has 0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:41.240 a set of rules that he expects the players to 0:07:41.320 --> 0:07:45.680 abide by, he should understand that there are also rules 0:07:45.760 --> 0:07:49.280 that he needed to abide by that are set forth 0:07:49.360 --> 0:07:54.560 again not by the nfl p A, but by the 0:07:54.600 --> 0:07:58.880 owners and the union that have been collective, collectively bargained. 0:07:58.880 --> 0:08:02.480 And and when I when I saw the statement that 0:08:02.560 --> 0:08:06.040 was put out by the NFL p A, I knew 0:08:06.080 --> 0:08:08.560 that something was gonna happen, and I didn't I didn't 0:08:08.600 --> 0:08:12.880 know the time frame. But I can't let that something 0:08:12.920 --> 0:08:15.560 like that just go. You can't let that slide. Now. 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:19.360 The question moving ahead is what now? And what now 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:21.640 is that, at least on an interim basis. According to 0:08:21.680 --> 0:08:25.080 shot Con, Da've called well and Doug Maron report directly 0:08:25.160 --> 0:08:29.760 to him, there was no official statement about beyond this season. 0:08:30.320 --> 0:08:32.240 I think these next two games will tell us a 0:08:32.280 --> 0:08:35.480 lot about some of those answers. The day after the 0:08:35.520 --> 0:08:37.480 season is done. Yeah, I think I think the Doug 0:08:37.600 --> 0:08:39.440 in this press conference day got it right and he 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:43.160 said that he didn't expect any kind of notification about 0:08:43.200 --> 0:08:46.760 what happens beyond the next two weeks, and and I 0:08:46.760 --> 0:08:50.760 appreciate that perspective from Doug. I will say this too, 0:08:51.760 --> 0:08:56.760 I can't imagine trying to lead this football team as 0:08:57.080 --> 0:09:00.280 as a coach and trying to do it with the 0:09:00.320 --> 0:09:04.040 backdrop of this other stuff that's going on. I think 0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:08.560 that makes it makes the head coaching job that has 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:15.040 been here incredibly challenging. Incredibly challenging. Wow. I mean, so, 0:09:15.960 --> 0:09:17.320 I think as a coach, you know, you want to 0:09:17.360 --> 0:09:23.319 instill discipline, accountability and everything else. But do you feel 0:09:23.360 --> 0:09:26.360 like sometimes that that maybe you can be over the top, 0:09:26.440 --> 0:09:29.880 because if you've got players that are already getting beat 0:09:30.000 --> 0:09:33.000 up by the fine system and are and are having 0:09:33.000 --> 0:09:37.240 a file grievances and and have this this attitude towards 0:09:37.280 --> 0:09:40.440 the team, and then as a as a coach, you 0:09:40.480 --> 0:09:42.959 almost probably feel like you're piling on if you're trying 0:09:42.960 --> 0:09:45.920 to instill your own discipline and accountability for what what 0:09:46.040 --> 0:09:49.720 your expectations are as a football team A lot. Yeah, 0:09:49.760 --> 0:09:52.840 So it's it's almost like, you know, okay, as as parents, 0:09:52.920 --> 0:09:56.000 Let's say you got a set of parents for a kid, okay, 0:09:56.040 --> 0:10:00.120 and mom finds out that you did something wrong, and 0:10:00.160 --> 0:10:02.240 she breaks out the ruler and you get a couple 0:10:02.240 --> 0:10:04.240 of butt s wats. Well, guess what, Dad comes home 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:11.200 and does he do it again? Is that fair? Like? No, no, whatever, 0:10:13.080 --> 0:10:15.160 That's a terrible comparison. But I'm just kind of having 0:10:15.200 --> 0:10:16.960 fun with it and that that it kind of gets 0:10:16.960 --> 0:10:18.800 to the point where it would feel like dog pilot. 0:10:18.840 --> 0:10:22.320 But I mean, so I give credit to Doug Marone 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:25.960 for for for handling a lot of the because you know, 0:10:26.720 --> 0:10:30.000 this football team, for the most part, with the exception 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:32.720 of the jail and Ramsey incident, this has not been 0:10:33.920 --> 0:10:37.040 a football team that has been distracted, that has had 0:10:37.120 --> 0:10:40.880 a lot of side shows, that has had Leonard four 0:10:40.920 --> 0:10:43.080 Nett leaving the sideline to go get into a fight 0:10:43.160 --> 0:10:45.440 like he did last year. Mean, everything has been I 0:10:45.480 --> 0:10:47.079 think for the most for the most part, this year 0:10:47.080 --> 0:10:49.200 has been pretty good. A little that stuff early in 0:10:49.240 --> 0:10:52.880 the season, you know, Kansas City game, injection of Jack, 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:54.439 but you know, but they're nothing that kind of went 0:10:54.440 --> 0:10:59.480 away after Yeah, and so yeah, I kind of kind 0:10:59.480 --> 0:11:02.640 of and sympathize with with a head coach, having the 0:11:02.679 --> 0:11:04.959 coach in that environment, that's not that can't be easy. 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:08.200 Let's hear from head coach Doug Morone and his message 0:11:08.280 --> 0:11:14.240 to the team today after what happened yesterday. But I 0:11:14.280 --> 0:11:16.560 want to remind you of one thing. You know, our 0:11:16.600 --> 0:11:20.120 focuses on the Atlanta Falcons. We have to win. There's 0:11:20.120 --> 0:11:22.280 no different, nothing has changed from what I said before. 0:11:22.760 --> 0:11:25.000 You know, we're all fighting, you know, for our jobs, 0:11:25.000 --> 0:11:27.080 for our life. Really, I mean that's what we do 0:11:27.120 --> 0:11:29.559 as coaches. We all know that. That's what The situation 0:11:29.679 --> 0:11:32.720 is no different for the players, you know, they have 0:11:32.800 --> 0:11:37.480 the same thing. So again, you know it's a tough situation. Um, 0:11:37.520 --> 0:11:39.560 but you have to keep your your focus and you 0:11:39.600 --> 0:11:41.240 have to lead and you have to go out there 0:11:41.240 --> 0:11:44.680 and do your job. Hold no punchers there. We have 0:11:44.800 --> 0:11:47.640 to win. It's a pretty strong statement for a football 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:49.840 team that is going to be up against it the 0:11:49.840 --> 0:11:51.959 next two weeks. Well, and you look, you're you're facing 0:11:52.000 --> 0:11:55.280 Atlanta Falcons football team. I don't know if they're in 0:11:55.400 --> 0:11:58.160 quite the same situation, but the seat is hot in 0:11:58.200 --> 0:12:00.840 Atlanta for Dan Quinn is the head coach and also 0:12:00.920 --> 0:12:03.520 for the general manager, Thomas Demetro. They played better lately, 0:12:03.559 --> 0:12:05.280 but in general they don't have a great start up all. 0:12:05.280 --> 0:12:07.920 They started out one and seven and there are four 0:12:07.920 --> 0:12:11.079 and six or four and two in their last six games. 0:12:11.760 --> 0:12:14.160 So they've been playing pretty well. And they just got 0:12:14.200 --> 0:12:16.400 done beaten one of the best teams in the NFC 0:12:17.360 --> 0:12:20.360 on the road in San Francisco. And they have all 0:12:20.440 --> 0:12:23.520 pro type weapons on offense. Yeah, they got a couple 0:12:23.559 --> 0:12:26.079 of them. They are pretty good. Parts they're missing some 0:12:26.160 --> 0:12:29.120 parts too. They don't run the ball well. I mean, 0:12:29.160 --> 0:12:32.760 so they have some shortcomings too. But but yeah, they're 0:12:32.800 --> 0:12:35.120 they're playing good football, and I think the one thing 0:12:35.160 --> 0:12:37.959 that concerns me is that if you look at what 0:12:38.040 --> 0:12:40.960 they can do well, they can score forty points on you, 0:12:41.240 --> 0:12:44.080 they can score thirty some lot points on you. And 0:12:44.160 --> 0:12:47.679 the Jaguars offensively, can they keep up with that? I mean, 0:12:47.720 --> 0:12:49.840 they have one of the most dynamic wide receivers in 0:12:49.880 --> 0:12:53.200 football who had a monster game last week and Julio 0:12:53.320 --> 0:12:57.200 Jones and had the game winning touchdown catch. He had 0:12:57.559 --> 0:13:00.240 in the game. He had thirteen catches for there in 0:13:00.280 --> 0:13:02.640 thirty four yards and two touchdowns. He can do everything 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:05.000 he can run by guys, he can body guys up. 0:13:05.679 --> 0:13:08.880 I think the one category that he hasn't probably been 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:11.920 phenomenal in as a as a pro is touchdown score. 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:15.439 But he still has been scoring enough touchdowns more than 0:13:15.960 --> 0:13:18.680 than the Jaguars guys have had. I mean, DJ obviously 0:13:18.679 --> 0:13:21.719 has more. But and then they have a pretty good 0:13:21.720 --> 0:13:24.800 tight end and Austin Hooper. They lost something when Calvin 0:13:24.880 --> 0:13:27.440 Ridley went on injury reserve last week. Matt Ryan has 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:30.120 seen everything and anything you could throw at him as 0:13:30.120 --> 0:13:34.280 a quarterback. So, uh, they're a good, good football team 0:13:34.400 --> 0:13:36.680 right now. I mean, and you can't argue that. 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I think he's learned to communicating better with 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:25.399 the players. Um just trying to understand us. You know, 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:30.120 it's a different uh different generation of gods too, you know, so, Um, 0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:31.720 I think he's done, he's done it. Your menuts out 0:17:31.720 --> 0:17:34.639 with us. You know, he's very understanding this year. So 0:17:35.760 --> 0:17:39.320 I love him. Do what it for that loves coach 0:17:39.400 --> 0:17:43.640 Doug Head coach Doug Maron. Uh, this is Jaguars Happy Hour. 0:17:43.760 --> 0:17:49.080 J P. Shadrick, Jeff Lagerman, and Tony Valli boys in person. 0:17:49.119 --> 0:17:51.520 This week, you know, Thursday night football. This week, Thursday 0:17:51.520 --> 0:17:54.479 football is over for the year. Um, it's Saturday football. 0:17:54.520 --> 0:17:58.800 Still being Tampa to Tampa. Houston's to be fun. And 0:17:58.880 --> 0:18:02.480 then I fled from Tampa Atlanta Little Jack Falcons. I 0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:04.800 was listening to Jeff breakdown the Falcons. I agree with 0:18:04.840 --> 0:18:07.200 everything he said. It's gonna be a tough matchup. Good offense. 0:18:07.280 --> 0:18:09.959 What time's your game? Saturday? One pm? Oh, you got 0:18:10.000 --> 0:18:12.639 plenty of time to get I actually might meet you 0:18:12.640 --> 0:18:15.479 for a lady. I landed you guys will just be 0:18:15.520 --> 0:18:17.960 on your just cutting open the steak at the Yeah, yeah, 0:18:18.000 --> 0:18:20.399 we're good for that. Yeah, we can always do a little. 0:18:21.040 --> 0:18:25.320 I'm thinking, where were the Carnivars that we are We're 0:18:25.320 --> 0:18:28.119 gonna go down this road great. By the way, I 0:18:28.119 --> 0:18:30.080 never got a response, but I sent a text out 0:18:31.000 --> 0:18:36.320 are we in for? I was trying to figure out schedule. Yeah, okay, 0:18:36.280 --> 0:18:38.400 you've got an excuse, Joe, I guess you don't love me. 0:18:38.480 --> 0:18:42.960 That's that's true. By the way, speaking speaking of food, 0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:47.320 I had one of your cookies. Oh my gosh. The 0:18:47.359 --> 0:18:49.680 next break I'll be having another one. Jeff Broad a 0:18:49.680 --> 0:18:52.400 little Christmas breads. It was nice. Let's get to the 0:18:52.760 --> 0:18:56.159 big topic of the week. Of course, A couple of 0:18:56.160 --> 0:18:59.159 things have happened. Food. Um, Tom Coffin's out. We we 0:18:59.200 --> 0:19:02.960 discussed in the first segment Tony and after aything that 0:19:03.040 --> 0:19:06.160 happened earlier in the week. It just felt like something 0:19:06.280 --> 0:19:09.040 was gonna come at some point. Well, I think the 0:19:09.080 --> 0:19:12.600 one thing that needs to be clear the letter from 0:19:12.600 --> 0:19:15.280 the NFL p A and all the stuff about grievances 0:19:15.359 --> 0:19:19.720 and overturned and grievances to the against the Jaguars, and 0:19:19.840 --> 0:19:22.400 what the p A said of that last statement, which 0:19:22.480 --> 0:19:23.880 I think was a little bit of a cheap shot. 0:19:24.600 --> 0:19:26.240 You know, I don't think that's the position of the 0:19:26.280 --> 0:19:28.399 PA to be releasing that stuff. I mean, if they 0:19:28.400 --> 0:19:29.880 want to go just to the members, but I don't 0:19:29.880 --> 0:19:32.679 think that needed to be a media released. I think 0:19:32.680 --> 0:19:35.720 it was over the top. With that said, that was 0:19:35.760 --> 0:19:39.240 not the reason Tom Coughlin got fired. All that did 0:19:39.720 --> 0:19:43.800 was speed up the process. I am even if you 0:19:43.840 --> 0:19:46.440 read the statement that Shod put out, and I'm a 0:19:46.480 --> 0:19:50.080 firm believer that Tom Coughlin was going to not going 0:19:50.119 --> 0:19:52.679 to be in the role of e v P at 0:19:52.680 --> 0:19:54.679 the end of the season. I think that was a 0:19:54.760 --> 0:20:00.399 done deal. I think Shod made the decision. All that 0:20:00.440 --> 0:20:02.399 the NFL p A letter did is speed up the 0:20:02.400 --> 0:20:05.679 process by two weeks, That is it. Yeah, I didn't 0:20:05.720 --> 0:20:09.280 know what was gonna happen with Tom at the end 0:20:09.280 --> 0:20:12.680 of the season prior to the NFL p a's release 0:20:12.840 --> 0:20:16.359 that they had. When I saw that, I was like silver. 0:20:17.400 --> 0:20:19.360 But but Jeff, and I mean in your mind, were 0:20:19.359 --> 0:20:21.600 you the same way? No? No, I thought I thought 0:20:21.640 --> 0:20:25.480 before the before anything ever happened Monday with the p A, 0:20:25.600 --> 0:20:30.360 I thought that Tom was probably gonna be not no longer, uh, 0:20:30.440 --> 0:20:32.600 the e v P of this organization. Now, could I 0:20:32.640 --> 0:20:34.760 have seen the scenario that maybe he does you know, 0:20:34.840 --> 0:20:37.840 something else? And I thought maybe that he would have 0:20:37.880 --> 0:20:42.199 a different type of even that something even that I 0:20:42.200 --> 0:20:45.919 thought was a long shot. I thought, what would happen 0:20:46.000 --> 0:20:49.600 more than anything, maybe Tom would retire or whatever. But 0:20:49.600 --> 0:20:53.320 did you ever get the impression was noted he was 0:20:53.480 --> 0:20:57.760 never going to retire. That was not gonna happen, and 0:20:57.840 --> 0:20:59.800 so I think it needs to be clear that this 0:20:59.840 --> 0:21:01.640 is decision was made. I don't know who put those 0:21:01.680 --> 0:21:05.760 reports out though, I mean, who, why are those reports 0:21:05.800 --> 0:21:07.920 out there? I think that's somebody just trying to throw 0:21:07.960 --> 0:21:10.399 something and see if it sticks. It's not true. But 0:21:10.480 --> 0:21:12.920 that's not it. That's not in his nature. No, that's 0:21:12.960 --> 0:21:17.320 not him. No, no, And so I think that, um, 0:21:17.480 --> 0:21:19.560 but I think it's an important thing because it was 0:21:19.600 --> 0:21:21.320 not just the NFL p A. I mean, I think 0:21:21.440 --> 0:21:24.920 if you look at one of the things I love 0:21:24.960 --> 0:21:29.320 about the NFL, and especially when it's done right, is 0:21:29.440 --> 0:21:33.560 that as a player, as a coach, and as an executive, 0:21:34.200 --> 0:21:37.880 you should and usually are judged on wins and losses, 0:21:38.320 --> 0:21:41.639 wins and losses in the overall direction of the organization. 0:21:43.000 --> 0:21:47.840 And I think all of us, every fan, every media person, 0:21:48.400 --> 0:21:52.920 everyone associated with this organization or not associated with the organization, 0:21:53.400 --> 0:21:56.360 that the wins and losses are not in the right 0:21:56.680 --> 0:22:01.040 uh tallies are not adding up correctly. And I don't 0:22:01.040 --> 0:22:04.719 think anyone would argue that the organization right now from 0:22:04.760 --> 0:22:07.679 a football standpoint, just talking on the football side, is 0:22:07.720 --> 0:22:12.439 moving in the right direction from when I say right direction, 0:22:12.520 --> 0:22:16.560 getting better year over year as a football team. And 0:22:16.600 --> 0:22:19.679 so that's what you're judged on. And when you're sitting 0:22:19.720 --> 0:22:23.840 at the top, and it happens all the time. Start 0:22:23.880 --> 0:22:27.480 the players. Players. When you can't perform anymore, you get cut, 0:22:29.320 --> 0:22:33.000 head coaches, when you don't win enough games, you get fired, 0:22:34.240 --> 0:22:39.200 GMS front office people like Tom executive president president. If 0:22:39.240 --> 0:22:41.480 the organization is not winning games and not going in 0:22:41.520 --> 0:22:44.560 the right direction, changes are gonna be made. It should 0:22:44.600 --> 0:22:49.919 not be a shock. And but that's but that's the 0:22:49.960 --> 0:22:54.120 one that's the great thing is we should that you're judged. 0:22:54.840 --> 0:22:56.680 And it's one of the things I loved as a player. 0:22:57.040 --> 0:22:59.040 At the end of the day, you knew where you 0:22:59.040 --> 0:23:00.520