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Speaker 1: Is Jaguar's foot daw not. This just got He's going

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Speaker 1: to the defeat five touch down Jaguars. They beat the Steelers.

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Speaker 1: It is Thursday, December. This is Jaguars Happy Hour and

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Speaker 1: now impeached former assistant sanitation director from Trustville, Alabama, Jay Pa,

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Speaker 1: get through the Senate though, so I don't know. Welcome

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Speaker 1: in Jaguars Happy Hour. I'm J P. Shadrick. He's Jeff Lagoman.

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Speaker 1: Tony Boselli you might have heard of him, will be

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Speaker 1: lot to discuss today on this program. Something happened, yes, something,

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Speaker 1: A few things have happened. Yes, Tom Coughlin is no

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Speaker 1: longer employed by the Jacksonville Jaguars. Will lead of his duties.

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Speaker 1: Will cover all of that. We'll hear from head coach

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Speaker 1: Doug Morone. He spoke again today, which is not normally

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Speaker 1: doesn't normally speak on Thursdays except on this program, The

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Speaker 1: last two weeks of the season. Falcons this week and

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Speaker 1: the Colts next. What does the future hold? Will discuss

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Speaker 1: some of that with Jeff Darlington's ESPN reporter, who had

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Speaker 1: That's all coming up on this program. Tom Coughlin, out

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Speaker 1: His expectations and those of Jacks fans for the final

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Speaker 1: the National Football League, by acting and terminating the employment

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Speaker 1: response to numerous I think if you, if you just

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Speaker 1: the other thing, Jeff, and you were the head of

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying I don't know as much as Jeff

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Speaker 1: Anything that happens after that, I think is a matter

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Speaker 1: can I do to help make this better? To let

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Speaker 1: So I think that that that will take. So if

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Speaker 1: if you want to call and do that, that's fine.

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Speaker 1: Like to me, that's window dressing. The way you fix

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's wrong. The way you fix it, though,

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Speaker 1: happened earlier in the week, and Mr Khan said that

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Speaker 1: just kind of sped up the process a little bit. Essentially,

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Speaker 1: what's your reaction to Coughlin being out of here? We

641
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: an inevitability, um. And quite frankly, I think the reason

642
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Speaker 1: why Shan had to like this was pretty clear. I mean,

643
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 1: you cannot have the players union uh directing essentially players

644
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Speaker 1: to consider avoiding Jacksonville. I mean that's the death sense

645
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Speaker 1: and uh, I've honestly never really seen anything like that.

646
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 1: And I think it's uh, not the don't want to

647
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: go to overboard yere, but I think it's a reflection

648
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: of of the culture that unfortunately has existed. Um. Within

649
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 1: within the Jaguars organization for the past few years, and UM,

650
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: I think it's a much needed change, and it's just

651
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 1: not you know, the old the old school way. It

652
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: doesn't always work. Jeff, we were talking a minute ago

653
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Speaker 1: about how do you how do you go about fixing

654
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 1: the that that released by the union incredibly damaging? Is

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Speaker 1: the firing of Tom Coughlin enough or does more need

656
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,800
Speaker 1: to be done? Does it? Does the team need to

657
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: reach out to the union in the off season, the

658
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: head coach need to reach out to the union? What

659
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: needs to happen next? From what I understand, those communications

660
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,320
Speaker 1: UM have and will continue to occur. I mean, I

661
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: know Dave Caldwell has a good relationship both with his

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00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:09,879
Speaker 1: players and with the union itself. And UM, I think

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Speaker 1: from the sense that I get talking to people around

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Speaker 1: the league, that that that narrative started and ended with

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Speaker 1: Tom Coughlin when it came to the Jaguars. Uh. You know,

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Speaker 1: whether you believe that Dave Calledwell deserves to be fired

667
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:30,879
Speaker 1: or not, it certainly should not fall under the merits

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Speaker 1: of UM. The egregious behavior of Tom Coughlin over the

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Speaker 1: past several years. I think that that's UH. That's something

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Speaker 1: that will essentially resolve itself with his departure. To be

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Speaker 1: completely honest, Jeff, when you say egregious behavior, like what

672
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Speaker 1: do you mean specifically by what behavior are you speaking

673
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Speaker 1: towards or about? Maybe egregious isn't the right word, but

674
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Speaker 1: just I mean, if you have all these grievances being

675
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Speaker 1: filed by players to the point where you know some

676
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: of them some sometimes it turns into a trend to

677
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 1: the point where, uh, you know, it becomes maybe in

678
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: vogue in the locker room to go ahead and just

679
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 1: file your grievance immediately, or you know, if it's a

680
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 1: former player in that case, but in general, you know,

681
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 1: whether smoked their fire with a lot of that kind

682
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Speaker 1: of stuff. And I just don't think, Um, if you

683
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 1: look around the league the number of grievances that were

684
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: being filed fire filed, and a lot of them were

685
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 1: coming from the Jaguars organization generally speaking, you can look

686
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 1: a little deeper and find out, um, why that is.

687
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 1: And I think in this case, um, you know, com

688
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: Coplin had a very set agenda. He had a real

689
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 1: disciplinarian plan in place, and and it's to a degree

690
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 1: backfired and I think, Uh, the NFL p A. I mean, look,

691
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 1: the thing is, whether you agree with it or not.

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00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 1: If the NFL p A is telling its agents and

693
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: players to consider steering away from Jacksonville, something has to change.

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00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: That's too much to uh to get past. You can't

695
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,919
Speaker 1: get beyond that. Uh if you have that culturing place

696
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 1: to where the nflp is doing. Man, yeah, that's a

697
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: pretty big blow. I mean, you're right about that. I mean,

698
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Speaker 1: when the p A, because that's you know, I don't

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Speaker 1: think we've ever seen the p A coming out and

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Speaker 1: making that. So you're right about that. That's wrong. A

701
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Speaker 1: statement usually require some sort of response. Let let me

702
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 1: insarch something in here, because Jeff, I think your word

703
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Speaker 1: egregious would be accurate if it were my seven hundred

704
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Speaker 1: thousand dollars that we're taking a fine schedule, because I

705
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Speaker 1: would want my seven grand interest and I would want

706
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Speaker 1: interest back. And if that ain't egregious, I don't know

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Speaker 1: what it is. Well, any other thing is if it

708
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Speaker 1: gets to that point where you're finding somebody seven hundred

709
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Speaker 1: thousand dollars, where is the other action take? It's just

710
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Speaker 1: I don't know that. It just doesn't fit. It's just

711
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 1: not the way that the NFL works these days. I mean, look,

712
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 1: here's the deal. The other thing is, I know Jalen

713
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 1: Ramsey as a character and uh, and he's a lot

714
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 1: to deal with, but he's still on the Jaguars right now.

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00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: If Tom Coughlin was not um in the position that

716
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: he was in, and I think that that um is

717
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: talent out the door right now, and that is a

718
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:11,439
Speaker 1: perfect example of what, uh, you know, what you can't

719
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Speaker 1: have in an organization. I think that might have worked

720
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Speaker 1: out pretty good for the Jaguars, to be honest with you,

721
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: that with all those draft picks and you've got a

722
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 1: player that didn't want to play and was taking an

723
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 1: injury because of it. I mean, to me, that's the

724
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: type of player you don't want, regardless of who the

725
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 1: was to that point. Especially, I'll take that one back

726
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 1: from the standpoint you're also you're also dealing with someone

727
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to pay a lot of money to

728
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 1: and who knows where that goes. So so that's a

729
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 1: fair point. They did get a hall of picks there

730
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 1: as well. But I just think managing talent is such

731
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: a key component to the job. And when we think

732
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: that to all of the positives and all those things

733
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 1: that we talked about that we're such good things about that.

734
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 1: What's that done? Squad? It was it was the characters.

735
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 1: It was the passion and the way that that defense

736
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: fought and uh. And if you're going to have those

737
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 1: kind of players, you also have to have the kind

738
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 1: of culture that allows them to drive, and that just

739
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: did not exist anymore. Jeff Darlington with us ESPN reporter

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00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 1: covering the National Football League a long time in the

741
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: NFL network Before that, you had a series of tweets yesterday, Jeff,

742
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: after this all kind of went down, Um and moving

743
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 1: forward now for this organization, Caldwell and Marone on an

744
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 1: interim basis will be reporting directly the shot Cohn. But

745
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 1: you had a series of tweets thinking that they could

746
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: be retained for the future, and it sounds like you

747
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: have a little support for those guys. Yeah, I mean,

748
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 1: I just get I get the impression that shot Cony

749
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 1: goloring to support them past this year. The interim aspect

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00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: of the wording of that thing, that made me kind

751
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 1: of like, wait a second, that doesn't exactly drive with

752
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 1: what I was sort of understanding the situation to be um,

753
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: but that was off explained to me in a in

754
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: a context that uh, you know that. Look, I think

755
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: that there is still a little bit of a window

756
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 1: open for a shot to make a decision there. But

757
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 1: from what I understand, they will be back in two

758
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 1: So Jeff may, let's look at those two, uh individuals,

759
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 1: head coach Doug Brown, Dave Caldwell, who's the gm um

760
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 1: as you look at from the outside, because we're here close,

761
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 1: I think we all talk about the tough situation, and

762
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 1: Doug's done a pretty good job of holding it together

763
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 1: with all the things I've been going on. You gotta

764
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 1: give him a lot of credit. Uh, But looking at

765
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: the situation where this team is from a coaching standpoint,

766
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 1: which we just talked about, but then also the roster,

767
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people you look at the

768
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 1: holes in the roster and and some of the misdraft

769
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: picks and throughout the years and in the history of

770
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 1: drafting under Dave Caldwell. What are you hearing or how

771
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: do you view it from a distance of why those

772
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: two individuals should be brought back. Well, I mean I

773
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 1: certainly hear far more annoying suggesting that they should not

774
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 1: be I can tell you that. I mean, I understand

775
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 1: for instances, as you guys knows well as anybody the

776
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: sort of um, I mean, the discontent that exists within

777
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 1: the Jaguar stand base. Um Man, Look, I understand that

778
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: we are now prone to treat that twenty seven team

779
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:26,800
Speaker 1: season as the outlier when it comes to Dave Caldwell's resume.

780
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: I just would and I know we're maybe we're never

781
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: gonna find out, or maybe we will. I would just

782
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 1: love to know if the roster that he put together

783
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: and then was the top ranked defense in the NFL

784
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:43,800
Speaker 1: that year would have sustained. I mean, look, yes, Tom

785
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 1: Coughlin came into the organization that year and as such

786
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 1: he's going to get some credit for that, But that roster,

787
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 1: in my opinion, was built by Caldwell, and I do believe, um,

788
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: outside of the quarterback, which is going to be a

789
00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 1: black mark on his resume, um, you know, out his career,

790
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 1: outside of the quarterback, that was a championship caliber team

791
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 1: that you put together. Jeff Darlington from ESPN, always good

792
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 1: to catch up with you. We appreciate your insight. We'll

793
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 1: talk to you again soon, I'm sure. Thanks appreciate is

794
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 1: at Jeff Darlington on Twitter, good follow and a lot

795
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: of thoughts about the Jaguars this week. I think it's

796
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: gonna be be interesting, how you know Tony's questionnaire about

797
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 1: about how Caldwell and Doug Morone will be viewed, you know,

798
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: going forward, and we've talked about Doug and as far

799
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 1: as Dave goes, you know, will will the mistakes at

800
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: the quarterback position because they coincide with Coughlin's arrival here?

801
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: Does that fall on Tom Coughlin or does that Does

802
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 1: that fall on Dave Caldwell because the mistakes Tom was

803
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 1: here when we drafted Blake. You know, I'm talking about

804
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 1: the contract extensions and then the subsequent where you've essentially

805
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,320
Speaker 1: bypassed the Pro Bowl strong quarterbacks on the a f

806
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 1: C roster right now. So that to me is going

807
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 1: to be very interesting. And I think one thing that

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00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 1: I think it's important as you look at it will

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00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 1: be interesting. Maybe better description than important is as a

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00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 1: shot of valuates the Dave and Doug, I would think

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Speaker 1: you'd have to do it separately because completely different situations.

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00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: I mean, what Dougs had to do as the head

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00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 1: coach and managing a lot of the locker room and

814
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 1: the noise and all the things that go on, and

815
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 1: a roster that I think all three of us I

816
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 1: would agree. I know, Jeff, you and I've talked about

817
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 1: having a lot of holes in it because of missed

818
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 1: draft picks throughout the years. Is in the job he's

819
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: done injury the Nick foles Gardner mintioned, I mean, really,

820
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Speaker 1: keeping these guys. You know, there's a bad five game

821
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:51,919
Speaker 1: stretched there. We lost by a big margin, But keeping

822
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 1: those guys fighting and hanging in there can make you

823
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 1: can make a case either way four and against each guy,

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00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: and then and then looking at Dave is the big picture,

825
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 1: not just the last three years when Tom's been here,

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00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 1: but Dave's been here since and looking at the entirety

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00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 1: of what's happened. And I think each of them separately

828
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 1: are gonna have to make a case two shod of

829
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Speaker 1: why they are the right person to move forward. And

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00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 1: it'll just be interesting to see how that evaluation is done. Um,

831
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 1: But I do think I would think you would do

832
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 1: it both of them separately as individuals, based on the

833
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 1: jobs they've done throughout their tenure here in Jackson, no

834
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: different than the job that you made a decision based

835
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 1: on about Tom Coughlin and looked at his performance and

836
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 1: what he had done and all the things that you

837
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:41,360
Speaker 1: liked and disliked of his tenure and ultimately led to

838
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Speaker 1: his departure. Let's come back, Let's talk a little ball

839
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Speaker 1: the Jags and the Falcons, unless you guys want to

840
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:53,600
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Speaker 1: Jags get the Atlanta Falcons this week in Atlanta first

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Speaker 1: The Falcons were not good early in the season, but

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Speaker 1: Ryan leads the league in completions this year. They're still

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Speaker 1: you've watched dry Jeff, I've watched as well. If you

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Speaker 1: look at San Francisco, the most successful runs were running power.

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Speaker 1: They have the rookie guard, the right guard, Lyndstrom. I

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Speaker 1: it's not that good either. That's why they throw it

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Speaker 1: as anybody in the NFL. Schweitzer, who is their left guard,

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Speaker 1: the Tell me what you think about McCarry the round

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Speaker 1: two first round picks on the right side of their

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Speaker 1: Sticking him on film. Yeah, he's a little stif but

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Speaker 1: He's not far off and he is as gifted and

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Speaker 1: Think there's only been a couple of him like him, Megatron,

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Speaker 1: They do everything with him to try and get the matchup,

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Speaker 1: so it makes it hard. They don't want to. So

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Speaker 1: what that does is like you asked this question, you've

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Speaker 1: Oh just double him. Well, now, if you're a defensive coordinator,

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Speaker 1: point you can say we'll double him when he's in

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Speaker 1: And and I promise you people will be watching the

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Speaker 1: game on Sunday, and I hope it doesn't happen, but

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Speaker 1: I bet a lot of money Julio Jones is to

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Speaker 1: don't you just double them? Well, the reason you can't

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1011
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Speaker 1: And I know JP is one of his biggest fans

1013
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Speaker 1: jersey on Sunday? Okay, we're just making sure we're double

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Speaker 1: He's a great player, but the one thing he does

1019
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Speaker 1: How about the Falcons defense? Quickly here? You know, is

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Speaker 1: this a matchup where the Jaguars can move the ball

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Speaker 1: a little more consistently? What's the deal with the Falcons?

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Speaker 1: They play fast. I'll give you the very fast. Grady

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1029
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Speaker 1: Vic Beasley, speed guy, nothing else. Yeah, but he's playing,

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Speaker 1: Arry McKinley is the guy they lost. I think Cam

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Speaker 1: more about his Adrian Clayborne against Camp. He's a physical

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