WEBVTT - Give My Breast to Brandi (S1 E11 "Move On") 0:00:00.440 --> 0:00:03.480 Welcome to desperately devoted Join us as we explore the 0:00:03.560 --> 0:00:07.240 human experience through the lens of the iconic show Desperate Housewives. 0:00:07.360 --> 0:00:09.600 I'm Terry Hatcher, I'm Andrea Bowen. 0:00:09.400 --> 0:00:10.520 And I'm Emerson Tenny. 0:00:11.080 --> 0:00:13.520 Well, we're back here we are. This week we're discussing 0:00:13.560 --> 0:00:17.680 episode eleven, Move On, which aired on January ninth, two 0:00:17.680 --> 0:00:20.280 thousand and five. And as I'm saying that, I'm realizing 0:00:20.280 --> 0:00:22.919 that I probably should have sung that intro because this 0:00:23.040 --> 0:00:24.919 is a great episode for theater. Not only do we 0:00:24.960 --> 0:00:28.280 have two amazing theater legends join us in the episode, 0:00:28.400 --> 0:00:30.720 but we also get an iconic performance of New York, 0:00:30.760 --> 0:00:34.120 New York, sung by Susan while she's handing Carl his ass. 0:00:34.400 --> 0:00:39.120 This performance actually was part of what got my mom, 0:00:39.400 --> 0:00:43.640 Terry Hatcher a nomination for the Emmy for Outstanding Lead 0:00:43.640 --> 0:00:45.240 Actress in a Comedy Series. 0:00:45.840 --> 0:00:47.239 So Cool and So deserved. 0:00:47.360 --> 0:00:51.879 Oh and missus Hooper's strange and off putting sister Felicia 0:00:52.360 --> 0:00:56.279 arrives on the lane. While Edie continues her pursuits of 0:00:56.320 --> 0:00:59.760 finding out what has happened to her friend, Brie goes 0:00:59.760 --> 0:01:03.400 on a date which she not so subtly rubs in 0:01:03.520 --> 0:01:04.520 Rex's face. 0:01:04.640 --> 0:01:08.560 Lynette suspects Tom may be attracted to their new nanny. 0:01:08.800 --> 0:01:11.479 And Gabrielle finds herself facing the harsh realities of job 0:01:11.600 --> 0:01:14.679 hunting while adjusting to life with Carlos and Jail, which 0:01:14.760 --> 0:01:17.600 leaves her spinning on a turntable in them all with 0:01:17.680 --> 0:01:18.119 a buick. 0:01:19.120 --> 0:01:22.360 So much to discuss, let's jump in. 0:01:23.000 --> 0:01:26.200 Okay, Okay, So I just want to say, because we 0:01:26.280 --> 0:01:29.280 do like to explain where the titles of the episodes 0:01:29.319 --> 0:01:33.600 come from, and this one is a Sondheim reference. It 0:01:33.680 --> 0:01:35.800 is a The title comes from a reference to Sunday 0:01:35.840 --> 0:01:38.360 in the Park with George, which I just am obsessed 0:01:38.440 --> 0:01:40.200 with that musical. I do think it's one of his 0:01:40.400 --> 0:01:42.840 greatest pieces of work ever in my opinion. And there 0:01:42.920 --> 0:01:47.520 is a lyric from this song that is the perfect 0:01:47.560 --> 0:01:49.920 underscore of this episode and so clearly why it was 0:01:49.960 --> 0:01:53.320 titled after the song, and that lyric is I chose 0:01:53.360 --> 0:01:56.400 and my world was shaken. So what the choice may 0:01:56.440 --> 0:01:59.400 have been mistaken? The choosing was not. You have to 0:01:59.440 --> 0:02:02.320 move on, And I just think it's so such a 0:02:02.360 --> 0:02:03.320 profound you. 0:02:03.280 --> 0:02:03.920 Say that again? 0:02:04.040 --> 0:02:05.480 Yeah, okay, sure, yes. 0:02:05.480 --> 0:02:08.799 And can you just does Burnett Peters Oh of course, 0:02:09.000 --> 0:02:09.440 yes she does. 0:02:09.440 --> 0:02:13.520 And there's an amazing there's an amazing performance of Burnet 0:02:13.600 --> 0:02:16.040 Ut Peters and Mandy potank And performing this to honor 0:02:16.080 --> 0:02:18.760 Stephen Sondheim on YouTube, and I highly recommend you all 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:22.399 go watch it because it's so powerful and yeah, amazing. 0:02:22.440 --> 0:02:26.440 So the lyric is I chose and my world was shaken, 0:02:27.000 --> 0:02:31.040 So what the choice may have been mistaken? The choosing 0:02:31.360 --> 0:02:33.280 was not you have to move on? 0:02:34.360 --> 0:02:34.960 Wow. 0:02:35.080 --> 0:02:37.800 I have to say, I'm so glad you pointed this out, 0:02:37.880 --> 0:02:40.320 because move On. I mean, I'm a huge son time fan, 0:02:40.360 --> 0:02:42.360 but move On from Sunday in the Park with George 0:02:42.520 --> 0:02:45.840 is one of my all time favorite musical songs. Yeah, 0:02:45.880 --> 0:02:49.600 and I actually have it on playlists of like normal 0:02:49.880 --> 0:02:53.359 non musical music, and then move On just comes in 0:02:53.680 --> 0:02:56.359 and then I start crying in my car, and yeah, 0:02:56.520 --> 0:02:57.680 I really love this song too. 0:02:57.720 --> 0:02:58.120 Yeah. 0:02:58.200 --> 0:03:00.760 Yeah, And I love when it's so clearly lines up 0:03:00.800 --> 0:03:04.560 with what was happening in the story, and I just think, gosh, 0:03:04.560 --> 0:03:07.680 that's so cool that we were, that I was a 0:03:07.720 --> 0:03:09.920 part of a show, being such a theater kid, and 0:03:10.000 --> 0:03:13.280 having Sondheim be someone who was so influential in my life, 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:17.000 like another person who raised me I feel like tie 0:03:17.040 --> 0:03:19.560 into this other show that was such a huge part 0:03:19.560 --> 0:03:21.079 of my life. I mean, that's so cool. 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:23.639 Yeah, I just I mean I was going to get 0:03:23.680 --> 0:03:26.920 to this when we get to the restaurant and the 0:03:27.000 --> 0:03:29.960 karaoke party, which we will at the end. But since 0:03:29.960 --> 0:03:31.720 you said you were a theater kid, I just want 0:03:31.760 --> 0:03:34.239 to point this out to our audience. And I don't 0:03:34.280 --> 0:03:37.800 even Emerson, I don't know if you know this. So Andrea, 0:03:37.880 --> 0:03:42.640 am I right? You got your first role on Broadway 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:45.480 as a six year old Yes in lay Miss Yes, 0:03:45.680 --> 0:03:50.200 and then follow that up at like seven with the 0:03:50.240 --> 0:03:53.360 Sound of Music, Yes, and then followed that up with 0:03:53.800 --> 0:03:55.640 was it a Disney show or no? 0:03:55.880 --> 0:03:59.520 It was. It was a musical adaptation, which is actually 0:03:59.520 --> 0:04:01.800 so incredible but sounds maybe strange, but it was a 0:04:01.880 --> 0:04:05.800 musical adaptation of the amazing novel Jane Eyre. Oh wow, Yeah. 0:04:05.640 --> 0:04:08.960 Okay, right, yeah, and then and and then so Desperate 0:04:08.960 --> 0:04:12.120 Housewives was basically like your first big TV thing. I mean, 0:04:12.160 --> 0:04:14.000 you did another pilot, but this was the first one 0:04:14.000 --> 0:04:15.040 that like, yes went. 0:04:14.960 --> 0:04:17.320 Because in New York, if you're a theater kid, the 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:19.360 TV shows that you do are all in the Law 0:04:19.360 --> 0:04:22.000 and Order universe, Right, all around. So I did all 0:04:22.040 --> 0:04:24.880 of the Law and Order shows, and those were that 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:26.840 was my like dipping my toe into the TV world, 0:04:26.839 --> 0:04:29.479 which I really did love. And honestly, my very first 0:04:29.560 --> 0:04:33.320 kind of amazing example of a woman on screen was 0:04:33.400 --> 0:04:36.479 Mariska Hargatee when I worked with her, and she was 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:38.600 a great example of someone who was leading a television 0:04:38.600 --> 0:04:42.159 show with so much compassion, and you know, she was 0:04:42.360 --> 0:04:44.800 She's such a team player, and she commanded so much 0:04:44.800 --> 0:04:47.320 respect while also giving so much respect in return and 0:04:47.320 --> 0:04:49.440 being so gentle towards me. I was, you know, it 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:51.920 was Lawn Order SVU. I were a little older when 0:04:51.920 --> 0:04:53.120 I did that, but yeah, I was young, and I 0:04:53.160 --> 0:04:56.240 was handling a very delicate storyline about having you know, 0:04:56.360 --> 0:04:58.720 been sexually abused as a child and all these things, 0:04:58.800 --> 0:05:01.640 and she just handed that also well. But she also 0:05:01.720 --> 0:05:03.559 came to see me in Jane Eyre and she brought 0:05:03.600 --> 0:05:06.160 me a beautiful bouquet of flowers and came backstage and 0:05:06.200 --> 0:05:09.680 she was so lovely and yeah, anyway, so that's amazing. 0:05:09.760 --> 0:05:12.000 Yeah, I have to say, listening to you talk about 0:05:13.160 --> 0:05:19.560 these beautiful female friendships and relationships forged in Hollywood or 0:05:20.360 --> 0:05:24.440 in New York, Theater on Broadway reminds me actually of 0:05:24.480 --> 0:05:28.320 the opening of this episode that Mary Alice narrates when 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:32.000 she says Edie Britt never understood why she didn't have 0:05:32.120 --> 0:05:37.920 any female friends, and then this segues into us kind 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:41.040 of understanding that maybe the reason Edie has been prying 0:05:41.080 --> 0:05:45.440 into Martha Hubert's disappearance is because as strange and as 0:05:45.520 --> 0:05:47.839 odd of a couple of friends as they kind of were, 0:05:48.320 --> 0:05:52.679 they were both these single women who were not able 0:05:52.720 --> 0:05:55.240 to kind of fall into the friendship of four women 0:05:55.279 --> 0:05:58.159 on the block that Susan and Brie and Gabby and 0:05:58.200 --> 0:06:02.080 Lynnette are. And I just I found this really interesting 0:06:02.080 --> 0:06:03.800 and I wanted to pose this question to both of 0:06:03.839 --> 0:06:06.960 you of what do you think about the trope of 0:06:07.000 --> 0:06:11.240 being like a girl's girl versus a girl who can't 0:06:11.560 --> 0:06:15.920 have female friendships. I feel like, I know some of 0:06:15.960 --> 0:06:18.159 my female friends were like, oh, it's just so hard 0:06:18.200 --> 0:06:22.760 for me to have girlfriends. Most of my friends are guys, 0:06:22.920 --> 0:06:26.200 and I just do have equal male and female friendships. 0:06:26.200 --> 0:06:28.880 Do you feel like that is a stereotype that you 0:06:28.920 --> 0:06:29.440 fall in time? 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:31.320 I do. I mean it's interesting that you bring it 0:06:31.400 --> 0:06:33.440 up as something to dig into, because I mean, I 0:06:33.520 --> 0:06:39.960 have that written down here too, You know that, why 0:06:40.000 --> 0:06:45.760 do certain women seem to have a harder time like 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:49.640 falling into those kinds of relationships than others? And is 0:06:49.680 --> 0:06:53.160 that fair? Or why does that happen? And is it 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:58.800 because of jealousy or is it because of like controlling 0:06:59.000 --> 0:07:02.960 or you know what is it? Because when you look 0:07:03.000 --> 0:07:05.880 at it, like you could look at Edie as an 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:08.039 example and you could go, Okay, she kind of comes 0:07:08.080 --> 0:07:12.280 off as like a know it all or like superior 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:16.320 to everyone else. And whether she feels that way or not, 0:07:17.200 --> 0:07:20.840 maybe that's her defense mechanism or her safety mechanism. But 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:26.520 she comes off with that sort of air of supremeness 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:29.360 that I can imagine would be off putting for other 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:31.800 people running to go, oh, I want to be your friend. 0:07:32.560 --> 0:07:38.480 But should it be you know? And should I don't know. 0:07:38.640 --> 0:07:46.840 Should confidence and a high sense of self and worth 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:51.000 be the kind of thing that like drives other women 0:07:51.040 --> 0:07:52.000 away from you? 0:07:52.320 --> 0:07:52.640 Yeah? 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:56.119 Also, I think we see that Edie's capable of being 0:07:56.320 --> 0:07:59.440 a good friend. You know, she doesn't always lead with 0:07:59.760 --> 0:08:03.800 being necessarily what people assume often goes with that like 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:06.120 warm and welcoming and fuzzy and soft, like she's not 0:08:06.160 --> 0:08:08.680 necessarily those things, but that doesn't mean you're not a 0:08:08.720 --> 0:08:12.920 good friend. And I do think that's a very interesting 0:08:12.960 --> 0:08:14.760 point that both of you are making about where does 0:08:14.800 --> 0:08:17.840 that trope come from the idea that some women have 0:08:18.200 --> 0:08:21.080 an easier time making friends with other women? And what 0:08:21.120 --> 0:08:23.440 does that say? And honestly, I wonder if it's a 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:26.560 societal thing. I wonder if society has put women in 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:29.280 a category where instead of it being like there's a 0:08:29.360 --> 0:08:32.520 room for everyone, there's often not. There hasn't been historically 0:08:32.640 --> 0:08:36.600 room for every woman, and therefore there's inherently an idea 0:08:36.640 --> 0:08:40.240 of competition or jealousy being brought into the fold when 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:43.840 often it's not about that. So I don't know. I 0:08:43.880 --> 0:08:47.520 will say I have to answer your question directly. I 0:08:47.559 --> 0:08:50.959 have so many amazing female friendships in my life. I 0:08:51.000 --> 0:08:55.960 am so incredibly lucky and rich in that way definitely 0:08:55.960 --> 0:08:58.960 outweighs the number of male friends that I have. I 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:01.960 do have several male fri friends that I also very 0:09:02.040 --> 0:09:05.360 much cherish, but there is just something about having a 0:09:05.360 --> 0:09:07.800 community of women around me that I feel so grateful for. 0:09:08.160 --> 0:09:12.320 And I thought it was kind of nice that we 0:09:12.400 --> 0:09:15.439 saw because we've joked about like, what strange, what a 0:09:15.480 --> 0:09:19.400 strange pairing they are Edie and missus Huber. But seeing 0:09:19.440 --> 0:09:21.920 that missus Huber was the first one to really extend 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:24.400 her hand and be welcoming to Edie when she moved 0:09:24.440 --> 0:09:27.640 onto the lane, I was like, Oh, that's where it began. Yeah, 0:09:27.679 --> 0:09:30.240 the other women weren't cold, but they waved from afar. 0:09:30.600 --> 0:09:34.080 But that's and that's the part of like why you 0:09:34.120 --> 0:09:36.559 know why? And I guess, Okay, you're making a TV show. 0:09:36.840 --> 0:09:39.280 You've got to set up you've got to set up conflict. 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:42.120 You know, you can't have everybody like love each other, 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:45.440 there's no story to do. So but like in the 0:09:45.480 --> 0:09:47.600 real world, I mean, if you took it off the 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:51.120 wisteria lane and go like, why why would those four women? 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:54.920 Like I almost blame the four women more than I 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:57.840 blame Edie, oh for sure, Like why would they stand 0:09:57.840 --> 0:10:00.280 there and wave? And it can only be because she's 0:10:00.320 --> 0:10:07.240 sexy and single, single and confident and they're jealous. I mean, yeah, 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:10.120 I can't think of another reason. I'm just And you 0:10:10.160 --> 0:10:12.800 asked about our personal lives, you know, you were there. 0:10:13.120 --> 0:10:18.000 But for my sixtieth birthday, which was truly my greatest 0:10:18.640 --> 0:10:22.120 one of my greatest memories ever and the absolute perfect 0:10:22.120 --> 0:10:24.880 way exactly how I would have wanted to spend my birthday. 0:10:25.640 --> 0:10:28.520 I had nine of my girlfriends and one male friend 0:10:30.120 --> 0:10:34.400 meet me come with me to Cornwall, England, which is 0:10:34.520 --> 0:10:37.360 a very hard place to get to, which I say 0:10:37.400 --> 0:10:40.000 that because it like speaks so much for my friends 0:10:40.040 --> 0:10:43.559 who were willing to literally you know, planes, trains and automobiles, 0:10:43.559 --> 0:10:44.200 that's what it is. 0:10:44.320 --> 0:10:48.560 I was on the seven hour bus ride through the dark, rainy, 0:10:48.640 --> 0:10:50.520 windy streets. Yeah it's true. 0:10:51.760 --> 0:10:55.360 But we were there for five days and I mean 0:10:55.520 --> 0:10:57.400 every single and some of them knew each other and 0:10:57.480 --> 0:11:00.960 some of them didn't, and as they said, not me, 0:11:01.080 --> 0:11:03.280 they were like not an asshole in the bunch. Like 0:11:03.880 --> 0:11:08.640 it was just like everybody was so great and it 0:11:08.960 --> 0:11:13.480 just could not have been better and made me just 0:11:13.559 --> 0:11:15.720 you know, I felt like my sixtieth birthday was sort 0:11:15.760 --> 0:11:19.080 of like this is the long haul. Like it's like 0:11:19.120 --> 0:11:22.480 from here forward, it's probably not going to be the 0:11:22.480 --> 0:11:26.680 easiest section of my life, and you want people in 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:33.840 it that are the most substantive, like supportive and energetic, 0:11:33.960 --> 0:11:37.240 you know, whatever, it is, curious, whatever the love is 0:11:37.880 --> 0:11:40.960 that capacity that it's a very specific thing that I 0:11:40.960 --> 0:11:45.520 am so grateful for having. So Yeah, I have women 0:11:45.559 --> 0:11:48.600 in my life that I would do anything for, and 0:11:48.679 --> 0:11:51.320 I'm so grateful for that. But I do find this 0:11:53.400 --> 0:11:58.760 sadly familiar of like times in my life where I 0:11:58.760 --> 0:12:00.800 feel like I've been part of a times in my 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:02.920 life where i feel like I've sort of been ostracized 0:12:03.000 --> 0:12:06.080 as part of a group. And it is interesting in hindsight, 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:09.480 you ask yourself, did you ostracize yourself? Like is Edie 0:12:10.559 --> 0:12:15.640 ostracizing herself here? Or are they pushing her out? I 0:12:15.679 --> 0:12:18.560 don't know, it's hard. How about you in your personal life? 0:12:18.720 --> 0:12:21.600 I mean, I do have I have two best friends 0:12:21.600 --> 0:12:24.160 who I've known from the time I was under one 0:12:24.280 --> 0:12:27.280 year old because our moms met in Mommy and me, 0:12:27.480 --> 0:12:29.160 and we grew up together. And we never went to 0:12:29.200 --> 0:12:31.679 the same schools and we didn't go to the same colleges, 0:12:31.840 --> 0:12:35.040 but we have stayed in each other's orbit through all 0:12:35.080 --> 0:12:37.160 of that, and I really feel like, you know, the 0:12:37.160 --> 0:12:38.800 three of us are on a group text together, we 0:12:38.880 --> 0:12:42.480 have matching tattoos, we could call each other at any 0:12:42.520 --> 0:12:45.719 moment and would show up for each other. And then 0:12:45.720 --> 0:12:48.520 I have some other really great girlfriends who I've made 0:12:48.559 --> 0:12:50.720 a little bit later in my life, you know, a 0:12:50.760 --> 0:12:52.760 couple from high school, though I don't have very many 0:12:52.760 --> 0:12:55.319 friends from high school, and then a few from college, 0:12:55.920 --> 0:12:57.520 and quite a few that I've made, you know, in 0:12:57.559 --> 0:13:00.960 my adult life. But I will say I also have 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:05.400 a high not maybe exactly equal, but almost close to 0:13:05.480 --> 0:13:09.720 equal number of male friends who mean the world to 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:14.800 me also and who I think really just offer a 0:13:14.840 --> 0:13:22.079 slightly different perspective, and I really appreciate the perspective that 0:13:22.120 --> 0:13:24.600 they're and the energy that they bring into my life, 0:13:24.640 --> 0:13:27.880 which is not better or worse, but is different than 0:13:28.400 --> 0:13:35.120 my female friendship. So I'm definitely pro cultivating both girlfriends 0:13:35.280 --> 0:13:39.520 and guy friends equally because I think I think it 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:43.240 can be a really valuable resource for perspective in my life. 0:13:42.880 --> 0:13:47.120 I think that's really cool. And I was thinking about 0:13:47.160 --> 0:13:50.520 how sometimes you have that built in into your family, right, 0:13:50.600 --> 0:13:53.200 Like if I am lucky enough to have two sisters 0:13:53.200 --> 0:13:55.640 who I'm really close with, and then that makes me think, 0:13:55.679 --> 0:13:57.880 of course, of the fact that missus Hooper has a 0:13:57.920 --> 0:14:01.520 sister who shows up on the street. Oh my goodness, 0:14:01.559 --> 0:14:04.319 does she show up with She just she just comes 0:14:04.360 --> 0:14:06.400 straight out of the gate with some singers and with 0:14:06.440 --> 0:14:08.720 a bunch of personality, and of course she's played by 0:14:08.760 --> 0:14:12.680 the amazing Harriet Sampson Harris, whom I've just loved and 0:14:12.679 --> 0:14:14.640 benefited at first. So we talk about. 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:18.240 How much I fann girled out on her because when 0:14:18.240 --> 0:14:21.280 Emerson was little, we lived in New York and I 0:14:21.400 --> 0:14:24.080 used to take her to as much theater as a 0:14:24.120 --> 0:14:26.400 young four year old could go to. 0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:28.560 Which was staggeringly a lot. 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:31.120 We want to see hairspray, and I like, did her 0:14:31.160 --> 0:14:35.280 hair up in the in the fifties things bufon thing like. 0:14:35.400 --> 0:14:39.120 We really went for it. So I think probably our 0:14:39.200 --> 0:14:46.840 favorite show was thoroughly modern Milly and Harriet played the 0:14:46.920 --> 0:14:49.480 you know madam yes whatever, it was, the bad guy 0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:52.520 and she, oh, she was so good and we I 0:14:52.560 --> 0:14:54.800 think we went and saw it twice and then and 0:14:54.840 --> 0:14:57.480 then we listened to that. We knew every word of everything. 0:14:57.520 --> 0:14:59.840 I was thinking every word too, But the fact is. 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:04.800 Everything is there really mud check your personality? 0:15:05.320 --> 0:15:06.840 Gosh, we're nerves. 0:15:08.200 --> 0:15:11.720 Broadways anyway, So when she came on the set, I 0:15:11.720 --> 0:15:15.320 don't even think I was working with her. I certainly 0:15:15.320 --> 0:15:16.280 not in this episode. 0:15:16.560 --> 0:15:19.040 So probably at the table read you saw her. 0:15:19.160 --> 0:15:22.160 I made sure that I pulled her aside and was like, 0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:26.080 you don't know my daughter, and I love you so much. 0:15:26.200 --> 0:15:28.080 We think you're this the greatest thing ever. 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:30.840 Well also, I mean it's going to turn into like 0:15:30.840 --> 0:15:33.840 a whole love letter to Harriet Harris. But I my 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:36.160 favorite television show growing up was Frasier. I was a 0:15:36.280 --> 0:15:39.720 very big Fraser fan, and she played his manager Bbie, 0:15:40.120 --> 0:15:43.240 and that was just another incredible performance of hers. So 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:47.120 I was also like totally awestruck that she was on 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:49.920 our show because of that. So this was a big episode. 0:15:50.000 --> 0:15:54.560 Yeah, And I have to say Felicia as a character 0:15:55.360 --> 0:16:00.320 is bonkers. I mean in the best possible way. She 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:02.960 comes in and she just says and I actually do think. 0:16:03.360 --> 0:16:05.080 I mean, it's fascinating that the twist is, you know, 0:16:05.160 --> 0:16:08.880 she hated her sister. But there is a thing that 0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:10.720 I see. I mean, I don't have a sibling. I'm 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:12.800 an only child, but I see with my friends who 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:16.280 do have siblings, especially twins, although that's its own kind 0:16:16.320 --> 0:16:21.560 of intense connection where they really will like the phone 0:16:21.600 --> 0:16:25.160 will ring across the room and they'll go, oh, that's 0:16:25.160 --> 0:16:29.120 my sister, like before they see who's calling, and it 0:16:29.160 --> 0:16:35.120 will be And I think this idea that Felicia felt 0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:38.960 that Martha Hooper died and she and she knows, and 0:16:39.040 --> 0:16:41.800 she's so unquestioning. Even though Edie is saying, no, we're 0:16:41.800 --> 0:16:43.840 gonna find her. Really don't worry. You can't think like that. 0:16:44.040 --> 0:16:47.880 She's like, no, I know my sister's dead. And it's 0:16:48.200 --> 0:16:50.560 I just I love a character that comes in and 0:16:50.680 --> 0:16:53.440 just cuts right to the core of their beliefs. I 0:16:53.480 --> 0:16:55.520 think is fascinating. And she plays that so well. 0:16:55.640 --> 0:16:58.320 And I did get a big, big old belly laugh 0:16:58.400 --> 0:17:01.880 when she called her a wretched pig, a wretched pig 0:17:01.920 --> 0:17:06.359 of a woman who was just like wow, wow. Sometimes 0:17:06.400 --> 0:17:07.959 sister's words can really wound. 0:17:08.400 --> 0:17:13.720 Speaking of characters that other characters are thinking are wretched, 0:17:14.840 --> 0:17:19.200 Rex is being released to go home, and Bree says 0:17:19.280 --> 0:17:22.800 that she doesn't want to take him back in, although 0:17:22.880 --> 0:17:27.679 she ends up ultimately relenting to her kid's pressure. But 0:17:27.840 --> 0:17:31.800 this is really where my best line Award once again 0:17:32.480 --> 0:17:38.720 has to go to breathe because her son says Andrew. 0:17:38.840 --> 0:17:43.560 Andrew says, I cannot wait until you get old and 0:17:43.600 --> 0:17:46.960 I can put you in a nursing home. And she says, 0:17:47.880 --> 0:17:51.119 I'm sorry to disappoint you, Andrew, but my plan is 0:17:51.119 --> 0:17:55.560 to have an embolism and to die young. And that 0:17:55.840 --> 0:18:02.200 really perfectly delivered amazing, amazing line and did also open 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:06.560 a larger conversation topic for me that I was thinking 0:18:06.560 --> 0:18:10.280 about in terms of kids putting their parents in nursing homes, 0:18:10.600 --> 0:18:13.440 but also the responsibility of taking care of a partner 0:18:13.480 --> 0:18:19.240 who suddenly falls unexpectedly seriously, Ill, what did this bring 0:18:19.359 --> 0:18:21.080 up for either of you? I mean, Mom, I know 0:18:21.160 --> 0:18:23.479 you and I have had lots of conversations about putting 0:18:24.080 --> 0:18:26.159 if we should, if we shouldn't, put Grandma and Grandpa 0:18:26.240 --> 0:18:28.960 into a home. They really resist that idea, and you've 0:18:29.000 --> 0:18:32.240 really done everything you can to facilitate them not having 0:18:32.280 --> 0:18:34.560 to go to a nursing home. But what do you 0:18:34.560 --> 0:18:35.119 both think? 0:18:35.600 --> 0:18:38.040 Well, I think there were, you know, a couple issues 0:18:38.080 --> 0:18:40.760 here that, like, the caregiving is real. You know that. 0:18:40.840 --> 0:18:43.920 I've started a little video series on my Instagram called 0:18:44.000 --> 0:18:48.439 Sandwich about the Sandwich generation that is taking care of 0:18:48.480 --> 0:18:51.199 their elderly parents and what that feels like to be 0:18:51.280 --> 0:18:55.159 obligated to that and it's difficult and it's pervasive, and 0:18:57.920 --> 0:19:01.080 being a caregiver of somebody you don't like, which is 0:19:01.119 --> 0:19:05.800 what we bring you know, somebody that you have animosity towards, 0:19:05.840 --> 0:19:08.879 which is the situation pri is finding herself in, you know, 0:19:09.040 --> 0:19:15.160 is even even harder. And I think at the end 0:19:15.200 --> 0:19:18.160 of the day, a character like Bri and people who 0:19:18.200 --> 0:19:23.760 find themselves in this situation, ultimately you'res not doing it 0:19:23.800 --> 0:19:27.359 for the person. You're doing it for yourself. You're doing 0:19:27.400 --> 0:19:30.160 it for who you want to be when you look 0:19:30.160 --> 0:19:34.240 in the mirror. You know, I actually, you know, my 0:19:34.359 --> 0:19:37.040 parents have been pretty great lately, Like I don't know 0:19:37.080 --> 0:19:40.320 what's happening, but they've been kinder and gentler and whatever. 0:19:40.680 --> 0:19:43.359 But like my good friends, the ones we were talking about, 0:19:43.440 --> 0:19:47.080 would tell you, like, you know, your parents don't deserve you, 0:19:47.080 --> 0:19:49.760 you know, like I'm not sure it's been reciprocal, like 0:19:50.000 --> 0:19:54.080 what I'm giving and what I've sort of received over 0:19:54.280 --> 0:19:58.160 my life. But for me, in the end, that's who 0:19:58.280 --> 0:20:01.159 I am. I want to be a person, and that 0:20:01.320 --> 0:20:03.159 is doing the all I can do to take care 0:20:03.160 --> 0:20:06.159 of this these people that have been in my life, 0:20:06.400 --> 0:20:09.800 my whole life. And I think that's how Brie must 0:20:10.000 --> 0:20:12.840 feel here, and she's also doing it for her children. 0:20:13.200 --> 0:20:15.560 I did think it brought up an interesting thing which 0:20:15.680 --> 0:20:17.919 neither of you, I guess will really be able to 0:20:17.920 --> 0:20:23.160 answer because you're not parents yet. But how many times 0:20:24.240 --> 0:20:28.640 parents like eat their own feelings on behalf of protecting 0:20:28.680 --> 0:20:35.200 their children, right, And that felt really deep and really 0:20:35.280 --> 0:20:40.399 relatable to me, that this character is, you know, not 0:20:40.760 --> 0:20:43.959 saying that the dad had an affair, and you know, 0:20:44.040 --> 0:20:47.000 trying everything she can to not say that, to not 0:20:47.200 --> 0:20:50.480 throw the dad under the bus, but yet she's still 0:20:50.520 --> 0:20:54.040 living with this great betrayal and these deep, deep wounds. 0:20:54.760 --> 0:20:57.639 And I think a lot of parents do. 0:20:57.520 --> 0:20:59.320 That, and I think we see that come up, I 0:20:59.320 --> 0:21:01.160 mean to jump Ahat had a bit in the episode 0:21:01.160 --> 0:21:04.240 to come up. When Brie really can't hold it in anymore, 0:21:04.280 --> 0:21:06.919 and Andrew confronts her when she's on the date with 0:21:06.960 --> 0:21:10.320 the pharmacist and she blurts out, you know that your 0:21:10.320 --> 0:21:13.880 father's been having an affair. And then later the next 0:21:13.960 --> 0:21:16.800 day Andrew comes to her and says, you know, I'm 0:21:16.800 --> 0:21:19.959 on your side, And he's finally on her side. I mean, 0:21:20.000 --> 0:21:23.560 he's been so against her actions all the time, and 0:21:23.600 --> 0:21:25.840 he says, you should throw him out of the house. 0:21:26.200 --> 0:21:30.359 And I think it's a beautiful scene. It's a beautiful scene. Yeah, 0:21:30.359 --> 0:21:34.160 when Brie says, you know, I and I'm paraphrasing because 0:21:34.160 --> 0:21:36.520 I don't have it written down, but she says, you know, 0:21:36.800 --> 0:21:40.400 I am hurt, and I'm going to divorce your father 0:21:40.560 --> 0:21:43.000 and I may go on to marry someone else, but 0:21:43.400 --> 0:21:46.440 your father was and may always be like the love 0:21:46.480 --> 0:21:48.600 of my life and the father of my children, and 0:21:48.640 --> 0:21:51.120 you're not going to disrespect him. 0:21:51.320 --> 0:21:56.040 It's so illustrative of how much Bree is holding, how 0:21:56.080 --> 0:21:59.040 many big feelings she's holding all at once. You know, 0:21:59.160 --> 0:22:01.720 she's grappled with the fact that she's been so guus. 0:22:01.760 --> 0:22:04.280 They all are the feelings. They're in that big beehive 0:22:04.480 --> 0:22:06.080