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Speaker 2: You and me had a good giggle right after the

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Speaker 1: Is about me?

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Speaker 2: No, no rare moment. It wasn't about you.

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Speaker 1: Oh thank god?

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Speaker 2: No, really you don't remember, Okay, I'll give you a hint.

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Speaker 2: It involved Pete Alonzo's contract.

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Speaker 3: He passed his physical, that's right, which is an Orioles thing. Like, look,

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Speaker 3: people like, it's not just we laughed about it, but

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Speaker 3: it was. It was Scott. You got to tell your

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Speaker 3: jokes right when you hear wait, right when you think them,

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Speaker 3: just interrupt us. Tell your jokes because you've had two

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Speaker 3: It's a big thing with the Orioles, that is.

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Speaker 1: It was who was the last guy that they didn't

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Speaker 1: It was last year, wasn't it.

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Speaker 3: Historically it's been pictures. That's what we're That's what Scott.

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Speaker 1: And he almost won a World Series. But that makes sense.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but he wasn't. He wasn't healthy enough.

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Speaker 1: I got you.

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Speaker 2: Right, He only pitched the entire season. Remember, I feel

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Speaker 2: felt like they flunked him. I mean, they flunked so

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Speaker 2: many pictures. And I'm sure there are even more that

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Speaker 2: we didn't know about, but there were many publicly that

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Speaker 2: they agreed to. Player flies there and they're like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I bet there's another. But the part that we

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Speaker 3: and we'll have to ask Hoffman later maybe next time

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Speaker 3: was like, we'll still give you. We'll still get like

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Speaker 3: we were going to give you fifty million, We'll give

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Speaker 3: you forty two, even though we know after everything, after

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Speaker 1: It might be their tactic.

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Speaker 3: You never know, just just saying it.

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Speaker 2: I would not put it past them based on previous

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Speaker 2: And the reason why I bring that up is actually

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Speaker 2: Apparently there was one time where the team was run

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Speaker 2: by the Angelus family. Before this, the Orioles signed a

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Speaker 2: they wanted to trade him before spring training. He did

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Speaker 2: not do anything wrong, he didn't say anything, he didn't

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Speaker 2: This is a true story. Wanted to trade the player

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Speaker 3: I was drinking up in the Hamptons with some of

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Speaker 3: I just signed.

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Speaker 1: Wow, I was on the h or you do have

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Speaker 2: I actually legit, don't remember the name, and I don't

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Speaker 2: I'm outing the person who told it to me. But

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Speaker 2: but to be continued, to be continued, let me see

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Speaker 2: if I can get permission from that person to actually.

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Speaker 1: Do nobody's gonna care after the fact, don't.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes people don't want to get into the industry and

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Speaker 3: No, you're just tell me, Just tell me, and I'll

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Speaker 2: Well, we'll talk post show and then maybe to be

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Speaker 2: We don't have the money yet. Garcia is twenty five

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Speaker 2: We're tabulating what he does at the plate, what he

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Speaker 1: You know, but no, I was just going to say

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just trying to look up my Todd Fraser stats.

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Speaker 3: Another third baseman didn't get the gold glove. They never

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Speaker 3: So it's fun to always look at that kind of

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Speaker 3: He's twenty five, he's gonna play next year is age

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Speaker 3: his stolen bases went up, I mean not up. His

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Speaker 3: stolen bases have stayed pretty consistent. Sorry, they went down

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Speaker 3: that the fact that he went from age twenty four

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Speaker 3: it's probably a really nice team friendly deal. But for MIKEL. Garcia,

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Speaker 2: His wins above replacement number this year from Fangrafts was

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Speaker 2: five point six. That was top fifteen among position players

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Speaker 2: mean he runs baseball. I gotta look, he gets caught

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Speaker 3: the Royals do an incredible job. Rusty Konz has set

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but also he makes contact. He has elite exit

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Speaker 1: And they should be very happy. They should be very

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Speaker 2: And in fairness, he never got going because he didn't

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Speaker 2: But you were like, what happened to Lane last year? Well,

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Speaker 3: That's Nobody needs foot, foot or hand injuries.

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Speaker 1: No, Dusty Banker always says, take care of your feet

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Speaker 2: So if that's better for Lane, then he's going to

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Speaker 2: So we'll start with Christopher Morrell signing up with the

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Speaker 1: Pedro for sure to step it up a little bit. No, listen,

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Speaker 3: pitches from the bench, you know, I saw the change

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Speaker 3: in the last four weeks when they were calling the

433
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Speaker 3: pitches from the bench, so we don't really need we

434
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Speaker 3: don't really need the best pictures, So I would agree

435
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Speaker 3: with you. I think they trade from that excess in

436
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Speaker 3: their mind, like, oh, call someone up that's also going

437
00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,760
Speaker 3: to give us value in there. I think as a Marlins,

438
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,879
Speaker 3: when you have a starting rotation like you do, you

439
00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:11,160
Speaker 3: can't be afraid of keeping all of them and dipping

440
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Speaker 3: into the two year To me for the Marlins, if

441
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Speaker 3: they dip into the two year market for a hitter,

442
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:21,960
Speaker 3: that could be impactful. I think that's when they start

443
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,399
Speaker 3: making changes. They're in a tough NL East, but the

444
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Speaker 3: reason that they did as well as they did was

445
00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:31,199
Speaker 3: because of that starting pitching. I'm afraid that some of

446
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Speaker 3: the recent firings in the last few years in the

447
00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:39,320
Speaker 3: Marlins system that was involved with the development of all

448
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:43,359
Speaker 3: these young pitchers might come back to bite them. But

449
00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:46,960
Speaker 3: you know that's time will tell. Time will tell, and

450
00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:50,280
Speaker 3: I think it's it's time for the Marlins to strike

451
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Speaker 3: or tell Sandy al Contre, hey, you know what, thanks

452
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 3: for everything, and there's gonna be a lot of value.

453
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Speaker 3: But that might not happen until, like Freddy Pearl is

454
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:03,720
Speaker 3: either taken off the market or he's traded, you know.

455
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Speaker 3: I think that's the kind of thing where I would

456
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Speaker 3: I would bet on the upside of Sandy al Contra

457
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Speaker 3: if I'm a team, because of his controllability and his

458
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 3: and his history of being a durable dude who wants

459
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 3: the ball for nine innings thirty two times a year.

460
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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, al Contera, it's time to move

461
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Speaker 1: on in my opinion, not not I mean him trade

462
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 1: for sure, but I think that would be their next move.

463
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I just don't see them. I don't

464
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Speaker 1: see them spending I honestly don't see them spending any

465
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Speaker 1: more money, if you want the truth.

466
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Speaker 3: And four in there, a Contra, a Contra and Uri

467
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Speaker 3: Perez were the guys before. Now I think Edward cabreroed

468
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 3: Edward Cabrera is kind of emerged as the guy that like, oh,

469
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Speaker 3: guys didn't really know about because they had Yuri, and

470
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Speaker 3: then they you have Meyer that's coming up to or

471
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Speaker 3: not coming up, but solidifying himself. I just think there

472
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Speaker 3: is an opportunity for the Marlins to continue that upward

473
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,119
Speaker 3: trend and whatever moves they make, I hope that's what

474
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Speaker 3: they're doing. And not saying, hey, we overachieved last year,

475
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Speaker 3: we're just going to stay status quo. I think it's

476
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Speaker 3: time to slowly continue to move.

477
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Speaker 2: Man Meyer hasn't worked out at all for the most

478
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Speaker 2: part for them, and from what I've read, Uri Perez

479
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:31,880
Speaker 2: is the only untouchable like Edward Cabre. Edward Cabrera could

480
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Speaker 2: be dealt al Contra. I think they want to deal.

481
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Speaker 2: I think the hold back there is the value the

482
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Speaker 2: Marlins want to valume as a number one. He showed

483
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 2: flashes of that, but not the full season, and it

484
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 2: was the first full season coming off the surgery. I

485
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 2: don't know. I think they might play hardball and hold

486
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Speaker 2: on to al Contra because I think they might match

487
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,959
Speaker 2: the value they're looking for. With Edward Cabrera. There's more

488
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Speaker 2: years of control. It's easier to price him in the

489
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 2: marketplace than it is for all contract. But we'll see,

490
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 2: we'll see. Let's get to Michael Garcia. We're going back

491
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 2: to him. Why because we got money five years, fifty

492
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 2: seven and a half million dollars. There's a club option

493
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,360
Speaker 2: and escalators in the deal, so it could max out

494
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 2: at six years eighty five million dollars. I don't have

495
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,439
Speaker 2: a lot to say about this. I mean, this is

496
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 2: how these deals generally look like, good job pay. If

497
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,399
Speaker 2: this guy keeps doing what he did this past season,

498
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,399
Speaker 2: tod fother, he's a steal. I mean, if he's a

499
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Speaker 2: he was almost a six win player, if he's a

500
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Speaker 2: five win player, depending on how you value wins. I mean,

501
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 2: most front offices look at a win between at least

502
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,159
Speaker 2: five and ten million bucks. A lot of times in

503
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,199
Speaker 2: the public it's looked at as ten million bucks. Obviously

504
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 2: there's not fifty million dollar players, but it's showing the

505
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 2: value that that player brings. I mean, he can easily

506
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Speaker 2: pay for this contract in the first couple of seasons.

507
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Speaker 2: This involves arbitration, years, all kinds of stuff there. That's

508
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Speaker 2: why the general public that doesn't pay at tenime baseball

509
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 2: will look at a contract like this be like what

510
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 2: that's it. That's because you're limited on how much you

511
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 2: can make until you hit free agency, and that's factored

512
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 2: into these extensions.

513
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's a great deal. I think it's

514
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 1: a great deal for both sides.

515
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Speaker 2: And I.

516
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Speaker 1: Just hope that this guy just keeps on doing what

517
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 1: he's doing and doesn't worry about anything else. Stays humble

518
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 1: like he has and just stay under the radar. Everybody's

519
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 1: going to know who you are now, but just keep

520
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 1: doing you get the knocks that you have, make the plays,

521
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,880
Speaker 1: and help your team out. Nothing else need. He has

522
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 1: no more worries in the world. Just play the game

523
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Speaker 1: that you know how to play.

524
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Speaker 3: Get your first contract. None of it's guaranteed. Before before

525
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Speaker 3: this season, he was we talked about War. He was

526
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 3: a three point eight war player. Obviously, he's always had

527
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Speaker 3: the defense. That's something that never slumps. So even if

528
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Speaker 3: he has an offensive slump of a season or this

529
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 3: was just his one outlier, which I don't believe it is,

530
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Speaker 3: because when you reduce your walk when you reduce your

531
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Speaker 3: strikeout rate and increase your walk rate in the same season,

532
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:07,439
Speaker 3: like that is a that is a sure fire definition

533
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,679
Speaker 3: of a guy that has figured figuring it out and

534
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 3: is going to continue to improve. But to me, you're

535
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 3: you're locking in. You're locking in essentially a contract for

536
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 3: a guy who was a over a five win player,

537
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 3: and that contract is really only what Jake Cronin were signed.

538
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 3: You know, I was trying to look at like other

539
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 3: contracts that were out there, and he's playing what I

540
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 3: think is the second premium position. I think third base.

541
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Speaker 3: That's why you see so many Platinum Glove winners at

542
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 3: third base because the value of the plays that are

543
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 3: made there, to me are yes they're ground balls, yes

544
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,639
Speaker 3: they're balls down the line, but you're taking away doubles

545
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,360
Speaker 3: when you make those plays, especially in Kaufman.

546
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,640
Speaker 2: Let's do some digging, ready for some weeds?

547
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 3: Mmmm?

548
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 2: Hey, what's the deal? Are the Dodgers really shopping to

549
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 2: Oscar Hernandez. Katie Wu is new on the Dodgers beat,

550
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 2: and she's also just becoming an insider in the sport right,

551
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 2: working with Ken Rosenthal on notes, columns and stories like this.

552
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 2: I mean, her and people like Will Samon really emerging

553
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 2: with great insight. And she said the Dodgers continue to

554
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:31,640
Speaker 2: quote kick the tigers, Tigers kick the tires on trading

555
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:35,360
Speaker 2: to Oscar Hernandez, and Andrew Friedman did not rule out

556
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 2: the possibility of adding another free agent after signing Edwin Diaz.

557
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 2: I mean, that second part feels quite obvious. But she

558
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 2: alludes to the quote from Brandon Gomes on Monday at

559
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 2: the Winter meetings where we were saying trading to Oscar

560
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 2: Hernandez quote doesn't feel likely. She said, the Royals have

561
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 2: covered in an offense first outfielder and have interest in Tao.

562
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 2: According to a league source, Kratz, you can kind of

563
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 2: bring back what you were saying earlier as somebody who

564
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 2: played for the Royals.

565
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: I'm with you.

566
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 2: I'm like, offensively, he's perfect. Defensively, if I'm Kansas City

567
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 2: and I want a winning team on the field, he's

568
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 2: mostly dhing for me. And do they want that spot

569
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 2: for Salva a little bit too? How is this all

570
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 2: going to shape up? Maybe they just say, Kratz, you

571
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 2: know what, screw it, we need that kind of offense.

572
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 2: That kind of right handed pop is not really available

573
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 2: right now. And that kind of call him glue guy,

574
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,719
Speaker 2: I mean, super likable guy in the clubhouse. You wouldn't

575
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 2: think he's available. He's available because the Dodgers have show, Hey,

576
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 2: Joey's going to clog up the DH spot for a

577
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 2: long time, as he should. So it just leads to

578
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 2: a roster crunch and the Dodgers might have to trade

579
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 2: someone away that makes them significantly better on offense, and

580
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 2: if they can fill that or significantly better on defense,

581
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 2: and they can fill that on offense. I do think

582
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 2: it could happen. I mean, you're getting enough for reports

583
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 2: out here that I feel like it's real. Do you

584
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 2: think the Royals could be a legit option if they

585
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 2: give him a lot of DH time.

586
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't, just like any team that's locking

587
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 3: somebody up at DH. Just we're talking about Kyle Schwarber

588
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 3: recently signing the fact that the Dodgers right now don't

589
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 3: need flexibility and so it's fine, that's show. Hey is

590
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 3: your DH like you're talking about two elite dhs. If

591
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 3: you bring Tao in, obviously it's gonna cost you. It's

592
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 3: gonna cost you a decent amount. It might be one

593
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 3: of your pitchers or whatever the Dodgers are looking for.

594
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 3: To me, it's it's it doesn't scream a Royals move.

595
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 3: Tayo had five hundred and forty six played appearances last

596
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 3: year and walked twenty six times. The Royals don't walk

597
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,719
Speaker 3: a lot, and that's probably part of the issue of

598
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 3: you know, they don't have a lot of power, so

599
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 3: teams just kind of go after them. But he struck

600
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 3: out one hundred and thirty four times, like he would

601
00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 3: automatically become the largest strikeout or the highest strike out

602
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 3: number for this team. I don't see it.

603
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 1: Now.

604
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 3: If he was like elite defense and that's those strikeouts,

605
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 3: they could handle it. I just don't see where you

606
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 3: put him in left field because I assume Caags Jack

607
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 3: Haglion is still going to be in right field. And

608
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 3: maybe you might mix in DH between Caags if you

609
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 3: get another athletic outfielder oh Lane Thomas Okay and then

610
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 3: Vinnie Pasquentino get him off his feet, he DHS. When

611
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 3: Salvi goes to first base, he won't play as much

612
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 3: first base anymore because Felix for Mean's gone, but like

613
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 3: Salvi's also in there DH, and so you kind of

614
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 3: have that DH platooner. I just don't see it. I

615
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 3: heard it. I heard what they're saying. I don't think

616
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 3: his twenty five home runs that he had this year,

617
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 3: thirty three the year before really fits into what the

618
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 3: Royals are going after. And I know people say, well

619
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 3: they went and got Jorge Solaire, sorry to Tayo, but

620
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 3: Jorge Silaire and Tao are different power guys. I just

621
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 3: so I don't see it based on what the Royals

622
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 3: have done recently or in the past decade, fifteen years even.

623
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Speaker 2: And i'd for me. By the way, Todd Father has

624
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 2: thrown that out there for the troll.

625
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 1: Always say Felix because.

626
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 2: It's one of those where you like, you know of

627
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 2: Felix and then you just throw his name out there.

628
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 2: For me, that's what I'm here for. I'm that annoying

629
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 2: stack guy.

630
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 3: Right.

631
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 2: It's like Tony really back in the day on PTI.

632
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 2: But anyway, Todd Father, sorry, c Intera, and.

633
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 1: I'll be quick. I just think the Dodgers have so

634
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: many guys that they're like, let me just throw this

635
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 1: out there about taoscar Hernandez and see, you know, if

636
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: we can get some feelers and maybe something can happen

637
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: because they are they are the team right now that

638
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 1: picks up anybody and guys go there. And I think

639
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: that's truly amazing for them. I think that's unbelievable. Dave

640
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: Roberts got to be just loving Christmas every year these

641
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 1: past couple of years. He's been going just knowing another

642
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: gift for my team. So yeah, I don't know. I

643
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: don't know if it's true. I just think they might

644
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: be something and putting a feeler out there to see

645
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: maybe they can catch, you know, a big fish, you know,

646
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden like, oh, all right, well

647
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: this did work, so we'll see what happens. I love

648
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: Teoscar Hernandez. I mean, he's a playoff guy. He steps

649
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 1: up to the plate all the time. Yeah, we talk

650
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: about defense, but we'll gets you to the big leagues

651
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 1: hitting and that's all he does.

652
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 2: And does he hit enough to be a full time DH?

653
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 2: I think so, especially for certain teams. No, Kratz. See

654
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 2: the thing is, I think that's where he has to

655
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 2: transition pretty quickly. I think already next year you should

656
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 2: be looking at fifty percent of his days in the

657
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 2: outfield at most. I don't want to put him in

658
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 2: Jordan Alvarez status, but the Astros did recently bring up

659
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 2: how their plan is to primarily DH him. They had

660
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 2: been toying with a little outfield the past couple of seasons.

661
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 2: This past season he was hurt a ton, and I

662
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 2: think they just want to let him do what he does.

663
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 2: We know that Tao is not you were done. But

664
00:33:55,720 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 2: there are some teams that could use this. How about Pittsburgh.

665
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, obviously there's teams that could use it. Not everybody

666
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 3: has a I think he's a career one nineteen ops plus,

667
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 3: so yes, he's got some career one thirty five ops

668
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:18,320
Speaker 3: seasons and then last year it was it was uh

669
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 3: one O three. I think it was his ops last year. Like,

670
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 3: I get what you're saying, Could he DH? Yes? He could?

671
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 3: Are you asking me is he the DH for a

672
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 3: World Series contending team? I think the Royals have made

673
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:37,479
Speaker 3: moves recently, and they continue to make moves to push

674
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 3: towards their new stadium, obviously, but also pushed towards wanting

675
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 3: to get back to the World Series. They have a

676
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 3: pitching staff that is really good, but they're brought into Kaufman.

677
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 3: They're brought into Kansas City to be able to do

678
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 3: what they do with a defense behind them. And you

679
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,760
Speaker 3: get extra value out of guys like a Seth Lugo,

680
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 3: like a Michael Waka. Obviously Cole Reagan's when he's on

681
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 3: he doesn't need any defense. I mean, you're talking about

682
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,720
Speaker 3: a guy that almost had one hundred strikeouts in sixty

683
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 3: or seventy innings. So there's different ways of doing it.

684
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 3: I just I don't know that Taoscar. Yes, the Dodgers

685
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 3: could eat if the Dodgers eat ten million a year

686
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 3: of his contract, then you're talking, Okay, we're paying Taoscar

687
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 3: ten million a year to be our DH more palatable.

688
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 3: But I don't know that he's not the upper He

689
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 3: wouldn't be an upper tier DH. And he could go

690
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 3: out this year and have a ridiculous season because he's

691
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,320
Speaker 3: shown that he has that ability. Just last year was

692
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 3: a tough year to put that out there, and they

693
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 3: just signed him to the contract. Last year we were

694
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 3: talking about him being a serviceable outfielder. I don't think

695
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 3: his defense. I think he could still get another year

696
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 3: to maybe two years out of his defense in this count.

697
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he's worth what half, if not a third

698
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 2: of what you're talking to out with the Kyle Schwarber contract.

699
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 2: Shorber's only a DH. He's not Shorber. But Shoreber's signed

700
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 2: up for one fifty contract. Is not even half that. No,

701
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 2: I know he's not Shoorber. My point is I started

702
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:13,919
Speaker 2: to like the idea the more I said it. There's

703
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 2: not right handed hitting outfield pop slash DH pop out.

704
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 2: There not a lot of it right on the free

705
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 2: agent market, and it's super expensive the team. I keep

706
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 2: going back to is a club like Pittsburgh. I believe

707
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh will add and impact bat. Do I believe they

708
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 2: will be able to add that bat from free agency?

709
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 2: Probably not. They're going to have to significantly overpay to

710
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 2: talk someone into that situation. Given what they've done, you

711
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 2: have to trade for a player like that. I could

712
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 2: see them trading for someone like that. They should be

713
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 2: in the running for people like this. Maybe you think

714
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 2: I'm off, but they need so much on offense. They

715
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 2: need everything. They need contact, they need power, they need

716
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 2: walks like anybody that is an above average offensive player

717
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 2: could immediately be their best hitter. That's how much of

718
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 2: a difference it could make. So if they have the

719
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 2: money to spend. They clearly threw out one hundred and

720
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 2: twenty million dollars. This is half that to get Tay.

721
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 2: You might be able to get him in trade for

722
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 2: somebody else too. Pittsburgh has prospects. Their farm system is

723
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 2: definitely top ten, if not close to top five, top

724
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 2: ten to be fair, I think this could be a

725
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 2: spot for them, that's all.

726
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 3: I agree, And that would be a massive There's there's

727
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 3: only a few teams out there that Tay Oscar Hernandez

728
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,919
Speaker 3: would be a massive upgrade. I went to a game

729
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 3: in April. Emmanuel Valdez was hitting fourth for the Pirates.

730
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 3: Like when you start your season in April and you

731
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 3: don't have a clear, cleanup hitter, you don't have a

732
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 3: clear bat in that spot in the order, Like, yeah,

733
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 3: he'd be a massive upgrade. I would love to see this,

734
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 3: But can they afford to get rid of prospect? And again,

735
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 3: I don't know where the Dodgers, the Dodgers would want.

736
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 3: I know you're you're talking about eating a lot of

737
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 3: a lot of money, like I said before, from a

738
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 3: contract that was just signed. It's not like there's a

739
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 3: five year deal and now we're in year three of

740
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:05,879
Speaker 3: his down of his decline. They signed it three year

741
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 3: deal last year. It was it three or four years.

742
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 3: I'm sorry I blanked right there, but talking yep, Okay,

743
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 3: it was it was the first year where he had

744
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 3: the down year here and I trust that he bounces back. Okay,

745
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:23,399
Speaker 3: I thought it was a three year deal. I think

746
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 3: it's twenty two a year or something like that. I

747
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 3: just I like Tayo as a player, But I think

748
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 3: it would depend on how much money they're looking to

749
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,720
Speaker 3: eat and where it's going. But if they go after

750
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 3: Kyle Tucker, then I see I see no spot for Tayo,

751
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 3: especially because Jeremy Meyer in our chat he brought up

752
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 3: a good point. Is Andy Pahes the playoff Andy Pajes

753
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 3: or is he the regular season Andy Pajes, Because if

754
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 3: you're losing some offense, like you need more offense out

755
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 3: of the outfield because you had any combination of Confordo,

756
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 3: Pajes and Tao, and now you get rid of Taeo,

757
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 3: you'll probably get rid of Teyo to put up Bellinger.

758
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,399
Speaker 3: I don't both think Bellinger's coming back there or you're

759
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 3: putting a Tucker in there. I just there's questions there.

760
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 3: But they're questions as far as like are the Dodgers

761
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 3: going to repeat or not, not like ooh if they

762
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 3: don't figure this out, but Dodgers aren't going to make

763
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,240
Speaker 3: the playoffs. No, that's not what we're saying.

764
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 2: Three years sixty six with deferrals. Net present value of

765
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 2: that deal when it was signed was three years about

766
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 2: fifty eight million bucks. So you're looking at less than

767
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 2: twenty million year on net present value for a player

768
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 2: like that, and now it's just two years left in

769
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 2: the contract, he said, And he told us on our

770
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 2: show that he took less money to sign with the Dodgers,

771
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:46,320
Speaker 2: so I'm sure he'd be a little pissed. He's probably

772
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 2: not pleased seeing his name pop up in what I

773
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 2: think are legit trade rumors. But just throwing it out there,

774
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 2: bet MGM futures. We're looking at the braves today for

775
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 2: the NL pennant ten to one odds for ATL were

776
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 2: feeling frisky with this number, Todd Father. They picked up

777
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 2: a couple pieces yesterday. I mean, I really loved the

778
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 2: Bullpen ad, but even the Mike yeasad too, to give

779
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 2: them a little more depth and flexibility with the roster.

780
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:23,359
Speaker 2: Now it's Robert Suarez and Rycelgalacias at the back end.

781
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 2: You're gonna get a full healthy season, hopefully from Ronald

782
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 2: Acuna junior. And they were missing most of their starting rotation.

783
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 2: What do you guys, what do you guys coming up

784
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 2: with over there? It looks like you're up to no good.

785
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: I don't know. I look out of brothers. I get angry.

786
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 2: You guys are extra far away from each other today.

787
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 2: Oh well, Kratz is also sitting in my share.

788
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:49,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true too. He doesn't want to ruin your spot. Yeah,

789
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 1: I would dabble here, I would dabble a little bit.

790
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 3: Why not.

791
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 1: They picked up a couple of good guys. Love Robert Swarz,

792
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: you know a little bit on there, you, I mean,

793
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 1: plus one thousand is a lot. But do I see

794
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: them being the Dodgers now? But I don't know. You

795
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 1: never know what can happen. There's still more stuff to

796
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 1: get picked. There's still more guys that need to get

797
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 1: picked up. So doing it right now and then all

798
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 1: of a sudden it could get lower or could get higher.

799
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 3: You don't think that. You don't think their starting rotation

800
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:25,280
Speaker 3: can compete against the Dodgers lineup? No sale, Strider, Schwell

801
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:29,720
Speaker 3: and Boch. You're gonna have Ronaldo Lopez back because clearly

802
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,800
Speaker 3: they don't need to transition into the bullpen? Who do that?

803
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 3: Miss grand Wall drip too.

804
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: I do like them, I do, I do like them.

805
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 3: I just that to me. That's why I love Yeah,

806
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 3: go ahead, I love the tender one. I really really

807
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 3: like that number. I mean, anytime anytime I get into thousands,

808
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, give it to me, But.

809
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:51,760
Speaker 1: Do it for the Marlins.

810
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 3: Then the lineup has to the lineup has come around.

811
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 3: I will not do it for them. True, they do

812
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 3: have a good picture. You're right, they have good starting rotation.

813
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:02,760
Speaker 3: They always have good depth.

814
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 1: But you never know, like I said, they could pick

815
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: up somebody down the road here and all of a

816
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 1: sudden it goes to plus eight hundred plus seven hundred.

817
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 3: I don't think it. I don't think they have a

818
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 3: big move in their cast. Like to me, if they

819
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 3: get if they get a Sun Kim to play shortstop,

820
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 3: does that move the number off of plus one thousand.

821
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 3: I'm waiting. I'm waiting. I'm waiting until the season. But

822
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 3: if it's still at plus one thousand, I will. I

823
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:32,359
Speaker 3: will take some of that because I think they're still

824
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 3: a good team, but the offense needs to needs to

825
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 3: bring it consistently. A full season of Akunya Michael Harris's

826
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:44,320
Speaker 3: swing change is clearly worked from halfway point of the season,

827
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,959
Speaker 3: and well, profar I might not be on the good goods,

828
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 3: so you know, you might just not get too much.

829
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 2: They might pick up a few extra wins. Have you

830
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 2: seen the Mets roster lately? Bet MGM throughout four potential

831
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 2: candidate to join the team in spring training.

832
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: The bottom line, Stone Cold.

833
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 2: Stone called Steve Austin. What's the King of Queen's real name?

834
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 2: Kevin James, Kevin James.

835
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 3: Paul I'm saying, like, all cop, who's who's the best athlete?

836
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: After what? Jared?

837
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:22,320
Speaker 3: That four?

838
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: Of that four? I would say, are you joking?

839
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 2: What Stone cald Steve Austin is a freak?

840
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 1: No? I thought you're just talking about baseball only.

841
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 2: Sorry, oh oh baseball player.

842
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: Like if you had to pick right, is that what

843
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:39,320
Speaker 1: you like? Somebody?

844
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 3: And that somebody that four has to hit second in

845
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 3: your line up? Somebody?

846
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,720
Speaker 1: And listen, you said athlete. He might be a good wrestler.

847
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:49,320
Speaker 1: I don't think he's good at basketball, baseball, maybe football.

848
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,839
Speaker 3: Scott Scott thinks just because you have muscles that you're good,

849
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 3: that you're a good athlete. Scott's like, check out these

850
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 3: boss steps? Do these aren't athletic?

851
00:43:58,840 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 1: You don't think?

852
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 2: You don't think Stone Cold Steve Austin can can bang

853
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 2: down low and grab some rebounds, block some shots and

854
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 2: box out half the team and a wrecking who's.

855
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 3: Getting a hit first? Of those four? Paul Blart mall cop.

856
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 3: Adam Sandler is the one for me.

857
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:23,959
Speaker 2: He said athlete athlete. If he said who's getting a knock?

858
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 2: I would have said Sandler, I'm with you. And Sandler

859
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:27,480
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Speaker 1: He's got some forearms, play some basketball too. I've seen

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864
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865
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866
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867
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Speaker 2: My favorite wrestler growing up.

868
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Speaker 3: Wow. Okay, so so which which of those other three

869
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Speaker 3: are you?

870
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Speaker 1: I'll go I'll go with Sandler.

871
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Speaker 3: Okay, I mean my career would say I'm Jerry Seinfeld,

872
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873
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875
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892
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 2: reference to Sean McAdam, who also covers the Red Sox

893
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 2: on a daily basis. They did not want to go

894
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 2: long on Pete Alonzo. Apparently they fell pretty far behind,

895
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 2: but they did go for him, so that's interesting. They

896
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 2: were in on him. Tell me if you've heard that

897
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 2: one before. Chris Catillo said, speaking in general terms and

898
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 2: not specifically about the failed Alonzo talks, one prominent agent

899
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 2: noted of the Red Sox they don't believe in long

900
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 2: term deals. I will push back a bit. I mean,

901
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 2: how long did they just sign Garrett Crochet for? Like,

902
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 2: they don't have anybody on long term contracts. They traded

903
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,359
Speaker 2: away Raphael Devers, but what two three years ago they

904
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 2: gave him a long term deal. Maybe that's the game

905
00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 2: plan this offseason, and if so, good luck getting Alex

906
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 2: Bragman for less than five years. I don't know if

907
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 2: I believe this one or if it's one agent who's

908
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 2: pissed about his particular player or players not getting long

909
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 2: term offers right, because I do think that they're going

910
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 2: to send a decent quote, long term offer Alex Bragman's way.

911
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 2: So this is maybe some other agent that's like, ah,

912
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 2: they're not going after my player the way they should.

913
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 2: I think they're going to offer Bregman at least five

914
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:29,240
Speaker 2: years in today's game, Isn't that a long term offer?

915
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:32,720
Speaker 3: I think that's a long term offer. And I think

916
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:39,839
Speaker 3: Alex Bregman like like Kyle Schwarber to the Phillies, it's

917
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 3: a different level. We're talking about something different. Like I

918
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 3: think I heard somebody say it, had somebody offered, had

919
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 3: somebody offered six years, one sixty five to Kyle Schwarber?

920
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 3: The Phillies would have come back and done that. I

921
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 3: think the same can be said about Bregman. Yes, they

922
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,760
Speaker 3: might not want long term deals on guys that are unknown.

923
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 3: This is why, this is why you had a trial period,

924
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 3: you had. You dated Alex Bregman last year, and now

925
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:11,839
Speaker 3: it's time to put a ring on it. Like I think,

926
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 3: I think they'll go. I think they'll go longer with him.

927
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 3: I think I'm now, I don't know that they want

928
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 3: to be known as a team that has to try

929
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 3: to backfill a guy that came in and really made

930
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 3: a lot of positive waves in that young clubhouse. So

931
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 3: I think this would be maybe they don't want to

932
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 3: go long term, and they showed it by getting rid

933
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 3: of Raffie Devers and all the drama that was around that.

934
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 3: But Bregman, I think is Bregman is different. Alonso unknown

935
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:48,320
Speaker 3: commodity for them in that clubhouse. Bregman known commodity.

936
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean to say, you're not gonna do long

937
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 1: term deals.

938
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 3: I've it won't work out.

939
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 1: I don't get it. Yeah, it never does, right, I

940
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:00,320
Speaker 1: don't know, And that's that's you won't get the of

941
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:02,879
Speaker 1: the names. I think that's the way going these long

942
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 1: term deals are for the greatest of baseball players. So

943
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not sure what they're thinking is

944
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 1: in their logic there.

945
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 2: I think they just won't give long term deals to

946
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 2: certain players.

947
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 3: I think certain type of player.

948
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I understand that. I mean, look at the Mets

949
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 2: just now. They didn't believe that Pete Alonso merited a

950
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 2: long term deal. They completely laid that out right. For

951
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 2: as much as that team spends, they did not feel

952
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 2: like that type of player was going to age the

953
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 2: way they wanted him to. Baltimore disagreed, and there you go.

954
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 2: Looks like they didn't want to go more than like

955
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 2: threeish years for him Tops. So anyway, one more. Mark

956
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 2: Shapiro has been running the Blue Jays for a long time.

957
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:52,879
Speaker 2: Ross Atkins works under him, but Shapiro gets signed up

958
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 2: for five more years. So Shi Davidi reported how this

959
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 2: is going to set him up for a total of

960
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:03,359
Speaker 2: a fifteen year run on top of the franchise, and

961
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:06,360
Speaker 2: he's the president and the CEO of the team since

962
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 2: the end of the twenty fifteen season. Top Father. For

963
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 2: a while, it looked like a tenure that was not fulfilling,

964
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 2: especially lately when they had superstar players like Flattie and

965
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 2: Bo and it's incredible how one postseason run changes everything,

966
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:24,439
Speaker 2: because it really did.

967
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, and time, give this guy. Give give somebody time.

968
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:33,839
Speaker 1: It's not like running a ship. It's hard to do.

969
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 1: Sometimes you need time, you need a little more effort,

970
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:38,919
Speaker 1: you need to figure out who works well here and there.

971
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 1: And now you're seeing it's paying off. And they had

972
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 1: a really big opportunity to win this World Series and

973
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 1: that would have been the icing on the cake for him.

974
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 1: But they have a big opportunity to come back and

975
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 1: do what they do. So congratulations to him. That's that's

976
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 1: really great for the Blue jack.

977
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 3: They gave him too much time. In my opinion, Okay,

978
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 3: this should not be his This should not be his extension,

979
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 3: this should not have been his In my opinion, it

980
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 3: should not have been his World Series team. Ultimately, it's

981
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 3: always about the players on the field. But to me,

982
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 3: I felt like his time was overextended in Toronto, and

983
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 3: I went on plenty of radio stations saying that. So

984
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 3: I have to go back and now say, maybe we

985
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 3: should have trusted the roster he was putting together. Maybe

986
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:27,359
Speaker 3: that you know the fact that he wasn't going back

987
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 3: out and getting the pieces that had success in Toronto,

988
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:36,879
Speaker 3: the Matt Chapmans, the Brandon Belts or those types. And

989
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:42,839
Speaker 3: I saw a decline from the previous seasons and they

990
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:45,360
Speaker 3: weren't going to get those guys. And now this offseason,

991
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 3: look at what they did. They went out and got

992
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 3: Andre Samenez Platinum Glove winner. They doubled tripled down on

993
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 3: their defense. Ale hunter Kirk got some stability and had

994
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 3: one of his better years again behind the plates. Vladimir Guerrero.

995
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 3: To me, that was, you know, ownership that wasn't necessarily

996
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 3: front office, but I was the one banging the drum

997
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 3: that I felt like a lot of the issues of

998
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:12,360
Speaker 3: why the Blue Jays couldn't turn it around and ultimately

999
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:15,839
Speaker 3: finished last in the American League East was because of

1000
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:20,439
Speaker 3: Ross Atkins and Mark Shapiro, and I clearly am wrong

1001
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 3: because now they got five year extension for a guy

1002
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 3: that I thought was out the door about a year

1003
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:27,399
Speaker 3: and a half ago.

1004
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:33,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was bad until it wasn't and now it's great,

1005
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:36,799
Speaker 2: So props to him. A lot of this stuff's about timing, too.

1006
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 2: Nailed it on timing, nail yailed it. I mean this

1007
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 2: was magical. They lit up Canada, so they give them credit.

1008
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 2: It took longer than many people wanted it to, but

1009
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 2: it's only one team out of fifteen that's going to

1010
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:54,320
Speaker 2: represent the American League each year in the World Series,

1011
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 2: and the Blue Jays were able to get as close

1012
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 2: as you can get to pulling off the title. So

1013
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 2: congrats to Shapiro and the Blue Jays keeping the front

1014
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 2: office intact there and now let's lap hey shout out

1015
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 2: to the team behind the scenes that helps us put

1016
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 2: together the newsletter each week. There's the QR code. It's

1017
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 2: on your screen right now. Leadoff Newsletter. If you're listening

1018
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 2: on podcast, we posted a tweet with the little preview

1019
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Speaker 2: and a link to sign up to it. It costs

1020
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Speaker 2: a whopping zero dollars. It comes out once a week

1021
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Speaker 2: and it gives you a little recap of what we

1022
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 2: hit on the show, some of the big guests, the

1023
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Speaker 2: whole deal. So if you want to just give us

1024
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:41,319
Speaker 2: a little appreciation, we're not going to spam you to death.

1025
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Speaker 2: We just throw one in there a week. Usually on Fridays,

1026
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Speaker 2: it's the ft Leadoff Newsletter. Next week we're on full

1027
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Speaker 2: normal week, there'll probably be twenty million signings. I mean that,

1028
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:54,399
Speaker 2: in all seriousness, there's still a lot of activity left

1029
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,880
Speaker 2: to go. We had a really fun week at the

1030
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 2: Winter Meetings, but in terms of volume, there wasn't a

1031
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 2: ton a volume of deals. There were high impact deals.

1032
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 2: That's good for us. That means next week it's gonna

1033
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:08,240
Speaker 2: be awesome. I really believe that. Leading up to Christmas

1034
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:10,279
Speaker 2: time here, leading up to like the twenty third, which

1035
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:11,840
Speaker 2: is when we stop down for a little bit at

1036
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 2: least with the live shows, it's gonna be lit crat hats.

1037
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1038
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 3: The reason that there's no volume is because everybody was

1039
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 3: coming on our show. If you go back and watch

1040
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 3: some of our shows from the Winter Meetings, everybody was

1041
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:28,919
Speaker 3: on FT. I mean, how can I not My hero

1042
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 3: is Todd Fraser. How can I not wear Todd Fraser's hat? Ah,

1043
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 3: Todd gave me this hat? Oh wait, no, Todd did

1044
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 3: not give me this hat. But I'm aware of reds.

1045
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 1: I want to keep it here.

1046
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 3: You know, you know, what are you to use as

1047
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 3: a trash.

1048
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Speaker 1: Can as big as this rock rock red stuff all

1049
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Speaker 1: the time? Us people and Tom's Ever, when I go to.

1050
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Speaker 3: Grocery store, I'm not saying you're not gonna this. That

1051
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1052
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Speaker 3: you'll turn and it'll just stay at the same place.

1053
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Speaker 3: Five eights.

1054
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 1: I'm a half my best gut.

1055
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can put your your cereal in that thing top.

1056
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:06,360
Speaker 2: Father wash it first.

1057
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 1: But some honey Cora. I want a big bowl of

1058
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Speaker 1: honey may one. Honeycombs, May one honeycombs. Uh.

1059
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Speaker 2: Happy Friday people, We will see you on Monday FT

1060
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 2: Live and actually we're working on some special content that

1061
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:29,800
Speaker 2: everyone will be able to check out during the winter

1062
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:32,279
Speaker 2: break between Christmas and New Year's so stay tuned for

1063
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 2: that and we'll see you on Monday.

1064
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Speaker 3: See you