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We'll be taking you live all the way 12 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 4: up until the end of this hour three o'clock Eastern time, 13 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 4: noon Pacific. If you're listening on the podcast, we appreciate 14 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 4: you doing so. You can find us on the iHeartRadio 15 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 4: app here live you can listen on hundreds of affiliates. 16 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 4: You can also hear LeVar and I during the week 17 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 4: on Two Pros and a Cup of Joe alongside Brady 18 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 4: Quinn six to nine am Eastern t I'm three o'clock 19 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 4: to six am Pacific time. As we get you said 20 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 4: for the weekend, lots of moving and shaking in the NFL, 21 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 4: lots of deals being done. We talked earlier about the 22 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 4: release of Geno Smith, Maybe not the biggest surprise. Gino Smith, 23 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 4: who made I think about fifty eight million dollars if 24 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 4: I'm not mistaken, fifty eight million from the Raiders Will 25 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:24,479 Speaker 4: Take Home Raiders also gave up I believe, a third 26 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 4: round pick to do that also, so he has gone. 27 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 4: The report from Diana Rassini is that if they do 28 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:33,479 Speaker 4: plan to move forward with Fernando Mendoza is the number 29 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 4: one pick, which they most likely are, that they're going 30 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 4: to hope that he sits initially and that they bring 31 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 4: in a veteran who's going to be the starter there, 32 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 4: which doesn't seem like it makes a whole hell of 33 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:46,320 Speaker 4: a lot of sense. But nonetheless, there's that you mentioned 34 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 4: Rashawn Gary. He's out in Green Bay, so he's done. 35 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 4: Rashaan Gary is done. He posted a goodbye to social media. 36 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 4: Taylor Decker, the left tackle for the Lions. He is 37 00:01:58,080 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 4: also out in Detroit. 38 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 3: This is. 39 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 4: The time of year where you're just you're seeing cost 40 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 4: cutting and cost CAF casualties left and right around the 41 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 4: National Football League. I know that you look at it 42 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 4: and you go, well, the best players are all retained, 43 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 4: and they don't reach free agencies. So that man, there's 44 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 4: some really talented players out there that are going to 45 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 4: be looking for work and are gonna get gobbled up 46 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 4: here pretty quickly that just couldn't make it work financially 47 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 4: with their previous teams. 48 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:31,679 Speaker 5: There were Shaw Gary one. That's a little peculiar. I mean, 49 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 5: you just brought in Michael Parsons to be what I 50 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 5: would consider a great compliment to what Rassan Gary brings 51 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 5: to the table. Now, if you feel like that's a 52 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 5: kind of a getting rid of a guy before it's 53 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:50,799 Speaker 5: too late type of an approach, then maybe that makes 54 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 5: a ton of sense, I guess. But why would you 55 00:02:54,720 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 5: only give the Michael Parsons Rashaun Gary experiment one season? Yeah? 56 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 5: I would. I would think that you would want to 57 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 5: give it another another go, considering that Micah had the 58 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 5: setback with his knee. But I mean the amount of 59 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 5: success that they were able to have having them both 60 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 5: on the field was what's tremendous. I mean this You're 61 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:23,679 Speaker 5: talking about a team that we looked at as a 62 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 5: potential Super Bowl competitive team. So that's a TapIt curious, 63 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 5: but I think it does make the now uh free 64 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 5: agent market a little bit what a little bit better 65 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 5: than what it was the day before with him with 66 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 5: him entering into it. I mean we said it wasn't 67 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 5: very impressive thus far. But but maybe with the additions 68 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 5: of some some you know, guys that get let go 69 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 5: leading up to free agency, uh in the start of 70 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 5: the new uh, the new league year, maybe maybe it 71 00:03:56,880 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 5: does improve. You know, maybe maybe it does get uh 72 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 5: dramatically better, maybe not dramatically, but better enough. 73 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 3: Yeah. 74 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 4: I just think and look, a lot of this maybe 75 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 4: is set up for moves that could be coming down 76 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 4: the pike, and that could be the Lions, you know, 77 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 4: addressing the offensive line in some other way. I also 78 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 4: look at it and I go, you know, this is 79 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 4: an indication that if you've got an opportunity to go 80 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 4: for it and win a championship and win your super Bowl, 81 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 4: when you get close, you gotta cash cash. Because we 82 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 4: were talking about this on our show earlier this week. 83 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 4: It was Dan Campbell who said, you know, maybe we'll 84 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 4: never get that close again, and he could and like 85 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:42,720 Speaker 4: it could be a painful message, but he's right, and 86 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 4: it's like, well, yeah, Dan, like maybe you should have 87 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 4: kicked a couple of field goals there. 88 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 3: I mean, if that's if that's the kid, I don't know. 89 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 4: It's like a guy who loses all of his money 90 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 4: on blackjacket and he goes. You know, maybe that's as 91 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:56,559 Speaker 4: close as I was going to get to be enrich. 92 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 4: Well yeah, so why'd you hit on eighteen? Like I 93 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 4: don't it's you know, play it safe from time to time, 94 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 4: take its dance. So now you've just seen you've seen 95 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 4: what's happened with the Lions since then, and you go, 96 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:10,039 Speaker 4: all right, So, so Taylor Decker's gone, and look he was. 97 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:12,159 Speaker 4: He's a little banged up and coming off to you. 98 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 4: But that's one thing. David Montgomery's out, Ben Johnson's gone, 99 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 4: Aaron Glenn's gone. Like it's just what that foundation was 100 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 4: for the Lions is gone. And so when you consider 101 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:30,159 Speaker 4: you were in an NFC title game and we're leading 102 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 4: that NFC title game against the Niners and blew that game, 103 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:36,600 Speaker 4: and then the next year you were hosting a playoff 104 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 4: game against Washington and got knifed in front of your 105 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 4: in front. 106 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 5: Of your fast I could have been one of them 107 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 5: days because Washington kind of took a step, big step 108 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 5: back then. 109 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 6: They took all the way they stepped all they stepped. 110 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 6: They stepped it. They stepped into the basement to the 111 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 6: er the non playoff portal. You know, now what part 112 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 6: of the basement. 113 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 5: You're like, oh, we should probably finish this part of 114 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:08,040 Speaker 5: the basement off. They were starting on gravel and dirt. 115 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:11,280 Speaker 4: So like you look at Detroit and you go, all right, 116 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 4: you wonder how much the Ben Johnson effect was a 117 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 4: real effect there, that they couldn't make it work this 118 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 4: year and what they were missing. And then from the 119 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:22,839 Speaker 4: Packers standpoint, the Packers go for a year felt like 120 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 4: last year, it seemed like that could have been it. 121 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 4: That was the one where you make the Micah Parsons move. 122 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 4: They were all I already thought Green Bay was going 123 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 4: to the super Bowl before that move, and then you 124 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 4: added Micah Parsons and the thought was, oh that was 125 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 4: that was the missing piece. And it really looked like 126 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:42,159 Speaker 4: that for a while, and then all of a sudden, 127 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 4: tight end gets injured. Little things start to pop up. 128 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 4: Michael Parsons get injured, gets injured, You lose a couple 129 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 4: of awful games, blow games against your arch rival, and 130 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 4: now I'm starting to look around, going, man, maybe if 131 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 4: you're green Bay now Rareshawn Gary's gone. So to your point, 132 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 4: you had that duo coming off the edge. You had 133 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 4: that as pass rushers. Now you don't have that, and 134 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 4: you don't even have one of them because Michael Parsons, 135 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,039 Speaker 4: who knows how long it's going to be before he's 136 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 4: back and back to full health and one hundred percent. 137 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 4: It's a completely different looking Green Bay team's different. And 138 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 4: your defensive coordinator left, Jeff Halfley left and now he's, 139 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 4: you know, the head coach of the Dolphins. 140 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 5: So a lot of turnover there. Okay, So Jordan Love 141 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 5: had a breakout and I mean a breakout year in 142 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 5: twenty twenty three. His numbers aren't bad in twenty four 143 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 5: and twenty five. But Jonas, I'll pose this, did you 144 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 5: find yourself having more questions about Jordan Love as the 145 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 5: starting franchise quarterback for the Green Bay Packers at the 146 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 5: conclusion of this season, much like some of the other 147 00:07:55,960 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 5: teams that we talked about with a guy like very 148 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 5: very clear form comparison dust like the quarterback in Houston. Yeah, 149 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 5: we thought C. J. Stroud was on a meteorc rise. 150 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 5: I think we took the same approach with Jordan Love. 151 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 5: There's this meteorc rise. But did you find yourself having 152 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 5: questions as to did we see their best football in 153 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 5: that one season that they had in the early on 154 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 5: start of their career. 155 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 4: You know what jumped out to me about Jordan Love, 156 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 4: and it's it's a small sample size because you know, 157 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 4: he got knocked out of the first game and it 158 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 4: was Malik Willis who finished it. But when you were 159 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 4: watching that playoff game in Chicago, and again keep in mind, 160 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:44,680 Speaker 4: this is Jordan Love's had playoff experience and played pretty 161 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 4: well in the postseason. Caleb Williams had no playoff experience 162 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 4: and was dealing when the game was on the line. 163 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 4: When the game was on the line, if I were 164 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 4: to ask you, all right, you need a winning drive 165 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 4: from one. 166 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 3: Of these quarterbacks, who you going to? 167 00:08:57,520 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 5: I'm going with Caleb. 168 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 3: It just felt like there's something there that isn't there. 169 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, Jordan, there's something that's there. So, yeah, that isn't there. 170 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 4: And you mentioned and you mentioned, you mentioned c J Stroud. 171 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 4: C J Stroud looked broken. 172 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 5: I mean that was like that story you told me about. Hey, listen, 173 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 5: if you don't want to be with me beyond tonight, 174 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 5: I get it like, because that's what he definitely. 175 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 4: When I went to bed, Yeah, I don't care. Hey 176 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:32,319 Speaker 4: she married me, it's her fault. Yeah, I told her 177 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 4: dead sober. Was exhausted working three jobs, you know, early 178 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 4: on in my radio career, and you know, woke up 179 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 4: in a puddle. 180 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 3: And she was nice enough to say, well, it's really 181 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 3: hot in here. Maybe you're just sweating. No, no, I'm not. 182 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 7: No. 183 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 3: That was that fifty yellow in my thirties wedding. 184 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 4: The bed and I told her, hey, listen, if you 185 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 4: never want to talk to me again, I totally get it. 186 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 4: Thankfully there was a language barrier. But the point is, 187 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 4: the point is. 188 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 3: She that was so good. She stuck it through, all right, 189 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:13,439 Speaker 3: and the rest is history. From here. We can get 190 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 3: through this, We could get through anything, is what it is. 191 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 6: But I mean I had to be the teammates. 192 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 4: Just so you're, yeah, you're watching there. There does appear 193 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 4: like there's teams going into this year. And that's why 194 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 4: when we brought up the fact that Colin said in 195 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 4: a top ten draft, Aaron Rodgers would be in the 196 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 4: top ten. Why it makes sense for a year is 197 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 4: because I think everybody's anticipating this next draft class. It's 198 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 4: not this one, it's the one after. And you've got 199 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 4: all of these quarterbacks that that got franchised money, like 200 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 4: Kyler Murray and Tua takabay Loa, and those organizations couldn't 201 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 4: wait to get rid of them, like they couldn't wait 202 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 4: to move off of them. And so I do wonder 203 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 4: if we're at the point now, which which circles all 204 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 4: the way back to the Raiders decision to reportedly not 205 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 4: want to start for Nanda Mendoza right away. I think teams, 206 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 4: I can understand a you want to you want to 207 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 4: slow it down, and you want to, you know, take 208 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 4: a slow pace to try and develop these quarterbacks and 209 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 4: these starters in the league. But I also think at 210 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:17,839 Speaker 4: some point you'd like to know whether or not they 211 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 4: can play. And the only way you do that is 212 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 4: if you throw them out there and put them in 213 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 4: the line of fire. 214 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:27,959 Speaker 5: And you got Aaron Rodgers that's in front of your 215 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 5: quarterback that has been there, like a Brett Fahr when 216 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 5: Aaron Rodgers came in. If you have a I don't know, 217 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 5: I mean, you get my point, Like you have a 218 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 5: great established QB that's in front of you that you're 219 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:47,319 Speaker 5: playing rue bledsoe was in front of you. 220 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 4: It was brought into to be groomed. But like you 221 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:53,839 Speaker 4: had an established starter. It makes sense if you and 222 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 4: and listen. 223 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:56,319 Speaker 5: Tom Brady's different because it was he was a late 224 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 5: draft pick, so it's not like you were. You spent 225 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 5: a number one overall draft pick. I'm saying number one overall. 226 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 5: You got a number one pick overall, and you took 227 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 5: a quarterback, and you have an established quarterback that's in 228 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 5: the twilight of their career. 229 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 3: I get it. 230 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 5: You want to bring them along slow. He's gonna learn 231 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 5: and listen. I think it's overblown to say have a 232 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 5: mentor in this coach. No, it's not mentor. It's be 233 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 5: responsible enough as a rookie and a pro to learn. 234 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 5: Watch and listen, be seen, not heard, be present, right, 235 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 5: but not in the way be a fly on the wall. 236 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 5: Listen to what Aaron Rodgers that vet is saying. Listen 237 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:46,559 Speaker 5: to what his reads are. Listen to how he communicates 238 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:49,440 Speaker 5: with the coaching said. Listen to how he communicates with 239 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 5: the receivers. Learn what it's like to be a Patrick Mahomes. 240 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 5: Learn what it's like to be a Josh Allen in 241 00:12:56,760 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 5: these situations. Learn it a Tom Brady. Learn it, and 242 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 5: then you apply it, and sometimes it doesn't even work. 243 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 5: But you have a better opportunity because you have a 244 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 5: model to compare and to learn from at this early 245 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 5: stage of your career is at breaking news. I'll say this, 246 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 5: if you're spending a number one overall draft pick on 247 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 5: a QB and you do not have a first ballot 248 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 5: bona fide Hall of famer that's playing good football when 249 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 5: you bring him in that into that building, do not 250 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:33,679 Speaker 5: use a number one draft pick on a quarterback. Do 251 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 5: not do it. 252 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 4: I would, I would strongly advise you do not spend 253 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 4: a number one pick on somebody that you are not 254 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 4: planning on using a. 255 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 5: I want him throwing the ball the minute we call 256 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 5: his name. Get sign your contract? Many you sign your name? 257 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:00,679 Speaker 5: Come on, man for sad. 258 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:05,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, look at cam Ward. 259 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 4: You know what, you could say whatever you want about 260 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 4: what the Titans were last year, if they were a 261 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 4: bucket of puke, I totally totally get it, no matter. 262 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 4: But you know what, at least at least you've got 263 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 4: some information on the guy. You have some understanding of 264 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 4: all right, this is where he's struggling at this level, 265 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 4: and this is what we need. 266 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 5: To do exactly, exactly. That's why look at get your measurer, 267 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 5: get your measurements, get your gang, your data. We live 268 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 5: in a data driven age. Get the data. It's a 269 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 5: number one overall draft pick. You're going to tell me 270 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 5: you're getting your data out of practice? 271 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 3: Doubt it. 272 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 5: Ain't no way, ain't no way. You're making that kid 273 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 5: better as a football player when you brought him in 274 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 5: as a number one overall draft pick as a quarterback. 275 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 5: As a quarterback, that is the position you do not 276 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 5: want to mess with in that way. You brought him 277 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 5: in as the number one pick. He should be starting 278 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 5: day one. I don't care. Oh, you got to earn it, No, 279 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 5: you don't. You earned it by being the number one 280 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 5: draft pick in this year to draft. 281 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 3: Now. Something to keep an eye on, Lamar Jackson. 282 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 5: You got to earn it to keep it, Yeah, but 283 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 5: you ain't got to earn it to do it. 284 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 3: Now. 285 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 4: Something to keep an eye on. Lamar Jackson has been 286 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:17,239 Speaker 4: a little active on social media today. Uh He posted 287 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 4: an Instagram story saying thank you Jesus as he was 288 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 4: in his Ravens gear. He posted the from training day 289 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 4: the gift of Denzel Washington saying boom on his social media. 290 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 4: And there's been some rumblings that the Ravens are a 291 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 4: team to watch in the Max Crosby sweepstake, So who 292 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 4: knows it could be There could be three different ways 293 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 4: this is happening. Either Lamar Jackson got his deal done 294 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 4: because they were trying to figure out a way to 295 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 4: rework his contract and get his get a new deal 296 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 4: done with him. Or there's a Max Crosby trader who 297 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 4: knows maybe lender Bomb's back. 298 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 5: Maybe maybe all three. So I would not be surprised 299 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 5: if all three were to have happened. Could be all three, Yeah, 300 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 5: and and and I'm surprised they didn't get a DJ more. 301 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 5: But but it was brought up in and and in 302 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 5: our update in the news update earlier on. Don't be 303 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 5: surprised if they land somebody like like AJ Brown. And 304 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 5: keep in mind the recruitment of it could be real. 305 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 5: One aspect of it that we didn't mention, who's a 306 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 5: running back for the Baltimore Ravens who has a friendship 307 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 5: in the history. 308 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 3: With AJ Brown. 309 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 5: Oh, so we're in that we're entering into that legal 310 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 5: tampering uh, time of the year. But let's think about it. 311 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 5: Is it tampering if you to homie? You know what 312 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 5: I mean. 313 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 3: All I'm saying. 314 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 4: Is is it tampering if I called you and asked you, 315 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 4: how's the off season going for you? 316 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 5: How's the family? Where are we going to hang? I 317 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 5: see you at Prime whatever? You know what I'm saying. 318 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 5: You know, we must throw some ones up in the air. 319 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:04,440 Speaker 5: You know, you know who knows. 320 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:08,120 Speaker 4: I think there's a you know a big difference between 321 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 4: you know, blatantly offering a guy a contract who's currently 322 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 4: not out of his previous contract or trying to trade 323 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:18,400 Speaker 4: with a player and negotiate with the player directly, which 324 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 4: you which you can't do. And there's a big between 325 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 4: that and you know, maybe Lamar Jackson says, hey man, 326 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:25,920 Speaker 4: you know, let's get together. I know a lunch truck 327 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 4: in Baltimore that I've been seen at and if you 328 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 4: want to get some Mongolian barbecue, saying. 329 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 5: HI, believe you me them is oxtails. And I was 330 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 5: talking about Derek Henry and his relationship with AJ Brown 331 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 5: when they were both in Tennessee. To all of those 332 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 5: out there, I might have sounded cryptic but just to 333 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:47,199 Speaker 5: make sure we're clear. AJ Brown and Derek Henry friends 334 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 5: and we're teammates together in Tennessee. 335 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 4: Roll up a crab cake and smoke him if you 336 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:54,119 Speaker 4: got them telling you. 337 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 5: Man, Hey, hey, that crab cake strand is fire. To 338 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 5: throw a little bit of Old Bay on there. 339 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:03,119 Speaker 3: I was, by the way, I was not familiar with 340 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 3: Old Bay until you told me about it. 341 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 5: Some Old Bay, the real deal. What I had no idea, bomb, baby. 342 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 3: I had no idea. Listen, man, my wife's Mexican. 343 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:16,679 Speaker 4: So if I'm not eating, I mean, if I'm not 344 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 4: eating what they make, they'll hold me at gunpoint. 345 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 5: What's the what's the orange? What's the orange they got on? 346 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:22,199 Speaker 8: Oh? 347 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:26,399 Speaker 4: Yeaho, you got a Valentine Tabasco. 348 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, you got all sorts of fun stuff. You put 349 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 5: that type of TiO on the candy. They put it 350 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:34,479 Speaker 5: on on the rim of their their drinks. Like what 351 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:35,439 Speaker 5: else they put it on there. 352 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:37,120 Speaker 3: There's a whole bunch of other stuff that they put 353 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 3: the and they won't let you. 354 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:42,879 Speaker 4: They won't let you leave unless you eat. So if 355 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 4: you're hungry, you got to come up with new. So 356 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 4: one of the things I did. Yeah, So one of 357 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 4: the things I do is if if I tell them no, 358 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 4: I'm not hungry, I know I'm gonna get asked two 359 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 4: or three more times by her family. So I'll just 360 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:55,160 Speaker 4: pick up anything next to me and pretend it's a phone. 361 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 4: Like I'll grab somebody's shoe and be like, yeah, I'm 362 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 4: still here and just walk out of the room so I. 363 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 3: Don't have to deal with it anymore. 364 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 4: If it was a sneaker, oh anything, yeah, remote control, 365 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 4: like you know't direct TV remote? 366 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 3: You're still here? So good? Yeah, Oh it's great. It's 367 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:08,920 Speaker 3: so good. 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But all all 408 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 4: getting aside, doctor Chow. Happy to have you with us. 409 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 4: How are things? 410 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:00,400 Speaker 7: I'm doing great? Look at you guys, I'm here. 411 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, we are a big time So let me ask you. 412 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 4: You obviously were the physician team physician in the NFL 413 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 4: for almost two decades. You've been around this stuff for 414 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 4: years and years and years. When you see Jason Tatum 415 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:18,879 Speaker 4: return this quickly, yet somebody like a Dame Lillard and 416 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,440 Speaker 4: a Tyrese Halliburton there's not even a thought they'd come 417 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 4: back this year. How much of this do you think 418 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,360 Speaker 4: was sped up based on the fact that the Celtics 419 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 4: have a chance to win a title. 420 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 7: Well, return to play is always multifactorial. Not every injury 421 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 7: is the same, not every recovery is the same, not 422 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 7: every rehab is the same, and not every situation is 423 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:43,479 Speaker 7: the same. This is a nice quick recovery for Jason Tatum, 424 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 7: Hats off to him, but it's also not the quickest 425 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 7: one in NBA history. I mean Wesley Matthews, Kobe Bryant, 426 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:55,440 Speaker 7: Rudy Gay, Dominic Wilkins, Chauncey Phillips all came back a 427 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,160 Speaker 7: little bit quicker than Jason Tatum. Of course, we all 428 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:01,160 Speaker 7: look at the longer returns for Evan Durant, who did 429 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 7: return to one hundred percent, and we say this is 430 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 7: nice quick return. And you mentioned some other guys, but 431 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:11,640 Speaker 7: return to play doesn't mean someone is one hundred percent. 432 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 7: And as great as Tatum is done, I doubt he's 433 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 7: Jason Tatum at one hundred percent when he comes back 434 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:22,360 Speaker 7: to play tonight. I think it's spot play working himself 435 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 7: in with the Celtics, who have a very good team 436 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 7: playoff bound, figuring out what his role is and get 437 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 7: acclimated ahead of the playoffs. But still kudos to him 438 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 7: for all the hard work that he is engendered. 439 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 3: All right, So. 440 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,239 Speaker 5: We talked a few a lot, I guess, some some 441 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 5: different topics at the Super Bowl. But one of the 442 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 5: things was the Max Crosby conversation. And you know the 443 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 5: concerns about what he may or may not have going on, 444 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 5: but what is the do you have a latest update 445 00:22:55,960 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 5: on Max Crosby's health? Was this more a utting him 446 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 5: down based off of where the team was or was 447 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 5: it based off of really protecting him and what would 448 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,400 Speaker 5: perceive to be a sore knee. 449 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,160 Speaker 7: Look, I'm not inside the building in terms of rumors 450 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,199 Speaker 7: and what's going on. Look at Mike Silver, Jay Glaziers, 451 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 7: others reporting the possible trade and that he's done. But 452 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 7: from a medical perspective, I think the narrative that we 453 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 7: had in December that the Raiders were tanking, they were 454 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 7: shutting Max Crosby down against his will, is really not correct. 455 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 7: They were shutting him down for his own good. It 456 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 7: turns out it was a meniscus repair, not a trim. 457 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 7: Meniscus trim is a much smaller surgery, quicker recovery. Meniscus 458 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 7: repair is much longer. As a matter of fact, obviously 459 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 7: I haven't examined Max Crosby, but I would imagine technically 460 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 7: he does not pass a physical today because it's only March. 461 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:00,439 Speaker 7: It's only three months from the meniscus repair. Meniscus prepare 462 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:05,160 Speaker 7: recoveries are minimum four to six months, and so that 463 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,879 Speaker 7: may be what is complicating the potential trade, not just 464 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:12,359 Speaker 7: the asking price, but he has to pass the physical 465 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 7: and no trade is consummated or final until a physical 466 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,479 Speaker 7: is passed. If he's wanted to get traded, certainly he 467 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 7: could share his electronic or other medical records so a 468 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 7: team could project him to be healthy. But as of today, 469 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 7: I don't think he passes a physical, and maybe there 470 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,159 Speaker 7: is a role in that in terms of teams not 471 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:36,160 Speaker 7: pulling the trigger or perhaps not beating the asking price yet. 472 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 4: Doctor David Chow joining us here on Fox Sports Radio, 473 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,120 Speaker 4: LeVar Arrington Jonas Knox in. 474 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 3: For The Herd. 475 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:43,360 Speaker 4: Let me ask you one thing, because we were kind 476 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,639 Speaker 4: of kicking this around. Just to go back quickly on 477 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 4: the Jason Tatum stuff, Reggie Miller spoke on the Dan 478 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 4: Patrick Show and was mentioning that, you know, based on 479 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 4: the documentary and sort of sort of how things timeline 480 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:01,199 Speaker 4: wise happen. Listen to Reggie Miller's ex explanation as to 481 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,919 Speaker 4: what he saw in watching the Tatum documentary as to 482 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:05,399 Speaker 4: why he's back this quickly. 483 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:07,679 Speaker 8: The best thing if there was knock on wood, the 484 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 8: best thing when he tore his achilles in Game five. 485 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 8: I believe in New York that the doctor was right there, 486 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 8: that they attached it right away, and the thinking was 487 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 8: the body didn't even know that it had that traumatic experience. 488 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 8: That's how quickly, within twenty four hours, they had the 489 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,879 Speaker 8: surgery on the achilles. So that's why he is so 490 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 8: far ahead of schedule versus a Damian Lillard or Tyrese 491 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 8: Halliburton is because they had the surge. 492 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,439 Speaker 4: When you hear that, do you buy that thought that 493 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,119 Speaker 4: because the doctor happened to be there, they got the 494 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 4: surgery done so quickly the body didn't recognize the traumat 495 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 4: one unders Does that make sense to you? 496 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 3: Is from a medical standpoint. 497 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 7: I love Reggie Miller, and I'll take all kinds of 498 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,199 Speaker 7: three point shooting advice from him, But I don't know 499 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 7: that this is and there's any medical factual basis for this. Certainly, 500 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,160 Speaker 7: doing the surgery in one day is perhaps better than 501 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 7: doing it in a week or two, which is what 502 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,679 Speaker 7: happens in the normal world for us mere mortals. But 503 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 7: I don't think if the body recognizes that there's a 504 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 7: tear immediately. Jason Tatum recognized there's a tear immediately, could 505 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 7: there be a little less swelling in there? Okay? Maybe, 506 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,440 Speaker 7: but I think it's his hard work rehab and sometimes 507 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,719 Speaker 7: the type of tear that allows him to return and 508 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 7: quite honestly, where the Celtics are where he really wants 509 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:32,920 Speaker 7: to return, whereas no offense to Kevin Durant and Kevin 510 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 7: Durant's situation who tore it in that NBA Finals besides 511 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 7: being a big man seven footer and besides it being June. 512 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:44,359 Speaker 7: He waited all that next season and into the next final, 513 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,199 Speaker 7: into the following season to make sure he really was 514 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 7: one hundred percent, and when he came back, he really 515 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 7: was one hundred percent. This is why I'm saying, I'm 516 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 7: not sure Jason Tatum is one hundred percent right now. 517 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 7: I'm not saying he can't come back and be effective. 518 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,479 Speaker 7: What Reddy says is awesome, but I would say is 519 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,959 Speaker 7: the recovery for Achilles is also being accelerated by other things. 520 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 7: Blood flow restriction therapy is part of it. I've seen 521 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,639 Speaker 7: in that same documentary that Jason Tatum has some of 522 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:15,480 Speaker 7: those tourniquet type devices on to help blood flow restriction 523 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 7: to help healing. That is something that we saw Aaron 524 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 7: Rodgers do when he tried to return in the same 525 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 7: season in the NFL. Didn't make it back because the 526 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,439 Speaker 7: Jets didn't make the playoffs. But there's a lot of 527 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:31,440 Speaker 7: things accelerating the recovery. I think only a very smart part. 528 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,399 Speaker 7: I mean, look, I'd love it to get credit to 529 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,640 Speaker 7: say the doctor was there and therefore we really helped out, 530 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 7: which you know is great. And I helped. The doctor 531 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 7: helped out certainly from a psychological perspective and being there 532 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:48,639 Speaker 7: and getting the right diagnosis and reassuring Jason Tatum on 533 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:52,159 Speaker 7: his return. But the body does recognize a rupture or 534 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:53,880 Speaker 7: a tear immediately. 535 00:27:56,200 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 5: Okay, and looking at where Jason is, is there any 536 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 5: risk of there being any type of re injury of 537 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 5: any kind of any sort. 538 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 7: Well, when you say any risk, the answer is yes. 539 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 7: And I'm not trying to scare Celtics fans and I'm 540 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,880 Speaker 7: not saying he's not ready. But you know, any sort 541 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 7: of quick eccentric load. Is the Achilles as strong today 542 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 7: as it will be months from now? Answer is probably no. 543 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,159 Speaker 7: This is why Durant took, you know, five hundred days 544 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 7: to return. Kudos to Tatum for wanting to return, but 545 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 7: I don't think once again, he's one hundred percent And 546 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:37,119 Speaker 7: I'll give you something else, He's not one hundred percent safe. 547 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 7: If you really want to talk about it, and I 548 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 7: hope I don't jinxt the man on the other side. 549 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 7: It's not uncommon to have a second Achilles happen after 550 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 7: a first We've seen it in the NFL in many instances. 551 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 7: Terrell Suggs is one that comes to mind. So I 552 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 7: hope saying that doesn't place any jinks on Jason Tatum. 553 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 4: Doctor David Choud joining us here on Fox Sports Radio, 554 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 4: LeVar Arrington Jonas Knox in for The Herd. What can 555 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 4: you tell us about Caleb Downs the Prospect? He was 556 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 4: at the combine, there was a medical red flag something 557 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 4: about the ACL. What can you tell us about that situation? 558 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 4: And it is something to monitor. 559 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 7: It's something to monitor, but I don't make a lot 560 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 7: of it. First of all, not at all distrusting the 561 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 7: reporter that said it, not distrusting the source or a 562 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 7: scout that said it. But in my time in the NFL, 563 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 7: I've been to twenty combines and I always met with 564 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 7: the GM or assistant GM. It was never with a scout. 565 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 7: And therefore there's the game of telephone that can happen. 566 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 7: And let me tell you something. If you're talking about 567 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 7: a player getting flagged at Combines. Out of the three 568 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 7: hundred and thirty players that are there, there aren't one 569 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 7: or two at most at our flag to extent, which 570 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 7: is do not draft, you cannot draft them. They're probably 571 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 7: about thirty or forty or so, sometimes up to fifty 572 00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 7: red flags where someone has an issue that currently at 573 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 7: the Combines they don't pass the physical, but they could 574 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 7: project the pass the physical, so it's sort of a 575 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 7: stop sign there. And there's probably another a third of 576 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 7: the three hundred and thirty one hundred or more that 577 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 7: have a yellow flag, which is some history of injury 578 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 7: that might affect their longevity or something down the road, 579 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 7: but that doesn't always affect their draft status at all. 580 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 7: So I guess what I'm saying is just because someone 581 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 7: is flagged, I'd say a third of athletes and the 582 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 7: Combines are flagged in some way, but that doesn't mean 583 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 7: they're going to drop in the draft or be undraftable. 584 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 7: And I'm old enough that when I first started going 585 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 7: to Combines, GMS would tell me is this guy going 586 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:41,960 Speaker 7: to be our left tackle for the next twelve to 587 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 7: fifteen years? Well, by the time I was done, the 588 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 7: question was is this guy going to get us? Get 589 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 7: through his first contract is all they cared about, right, 590 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 7: And there are other instances too. You know, there was 591 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 7: a draft pick Sony Michelle for the Patriots, a thirty 592 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 7: second pick in the first round, where we say he's 593 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 7: got the gendive knees and he's not going to last. 594 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 7: But guess what, the Patriot rode him to a super 595 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 7: Bowl in his rookie year. He did not have a 596 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 7: long career, but they wrote him to a super Bowl 597 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 7: in that first year. So there's all sorts of reasons 598 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,960 Speaker 7: for picking players. And I don't make a ton out 599 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 7: of the kleb Downs report so far. 600 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 4: One last one for you here, doctor Chow. Patrick Mahomes, 601 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 4: what's the realistic timeline for him, because we're talking about 602 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 4: you know, these moves Kansas City is making, you know, 603 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 4: they're trading away you know, star players on defense, they're 604 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:39,160 Speaker 4: restructuring contracts. We're looking at this is is this the 605 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 4: end of the run for Kansas City? Is a legitimate 606 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 4: Super Bowl contender? And one of the things that's kind 607 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 4: of been buried in all this is Mahomes is coming 608 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 4: off a pretty serious injury first of his career, really 609 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 4: to this extent at his age when do you expect 610 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 4: him to be full go for next year? 611 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 7: Well, Patrick Mahomes has been a beast in terms of 612 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 7: his play and also getting to end. We remember him 613 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 7: playing through a high ankle spring and winning the Super 614 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,760 Speaker 7: Bowl on that. This knee injury is a little bit different. 615 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 7: It's more than just an ACL, and we've talked about 616 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 7: it a lot at Sports Injury Central sicscore dot com. 617 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 7: It's a multi ligament injury where he tore his LCL 618 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 7: as well as his ACL, which is why he had 619 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 7: the accelerated immediate surgery, not because his body wouldn't recognize it, 620 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 7: but because it's a repair of the LCL and then 621 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:30,479 Speaker 7: a reconstruction of the ACL makes it more complicated. The 622 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 7: best comp for this as a quarterback actually was Carson 623 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 7: Wentz when he was with the Eagles. It happened in 624 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:41,240 Speaker 7: LA against the Rams, tours LCL and ACL. Nick Foles 625 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 7: came in and won the Super Bowl. Carson Wentz was 626 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,880 Speaker 7: not ready for Week one last year. He rushed it 627 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,959 Speaker 7: back week four or so and ended up with some 628 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:54,720 Speaker 7: back issues. Compensatorily, here's the thing, could Patrick do I 629 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 7: expect Patrick Mahomes to return to one hundred percent or 630 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,920 Speaker 7: being Patrick Mahomes the magician that he is. The answer 631 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 7: is yes. Will that happen week one? That is definitely 632 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 7: in question. I don't think he'll be one hundred percent 633 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 7: himself week one. Is he healthy enough to try and 634 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 7: play Week one? Maybe? Will he want to play Week one? Certainly? 635 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 7: Will the Chiefs let him play week one when he's 636 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 7: not one hundred percent that's the bigger question mark, and 637 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 7: they may exercise some caution because he is absolutely the franchise. 638 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 7: You don't want him to not be one hundred percent 639 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:33,240 Speaker 7: and suffer another injury. And I think they're going to 640 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,719 Speaker 7: take it day by day and see how he is, 641 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,480 Speaker 7: But if there's any additional risk, they may not have 642 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,680 Speaker 7: him playing at the start of next season given the 643 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 7: severity of the knee injury. 644 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 3: Doctor David Chow always appreciate it. 645 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 4: You can get him on x at Pro Football, Doc, 646 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 4: and we look forward to updates when some of the 647 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,680 Speaker 4: wheelings and dealings happen. It happen, and we'll monitor the 648 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 4: Jason Tatum situation. Good stuff, Doc, We appreciate you man. 649 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,560 Speaker 3: Thank you guys, Yes, sir, thank you. There he is 650 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 3: doctor David Chow with us here on Fox Sports. Radio. 651 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,720 Speaker 4: It's LeVar Arrington Jonas knox In for the Herd here. 652 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 4: Coming up next, we're going to close up shop with 653 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:13,080 Speaker 4: the herdline news and what maybe one of the great 654 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,719 Speaker 4: postgame press conferences we've heard in a long time, that's 655 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:17,800 Speaker 4: yours here on FSR. 656 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,759 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 657 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:24,320 Speaker 2: at noon Eastern non am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio 658 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,800 Speaker 2: FS one and the iHeartRadio app. 659 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,680 Speaker 4: It's a Herd on Fox Sports Radio. LaVar Arrington Jonas 660 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:33,960 Speaker 4: knox In for Colin. As a reminder, you can hear 661 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:38,239 Speaker 4: LeVar and I with Brady Quinn weekday morning six to 662 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 4: nine am Eastern time in Two Pros and a Cup 663 00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,319 Speaker 4: of Joe here on Fox Sports Radio. We're actually going 664 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,520 Speaker 4: to be back though on this time slot coming up 665 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 4: on Monday as well too, So you were going to 666 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:53,040 Speaker 4: bookend the weekend here, you'll get Black and Drack today 667 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:54,320 Speaker 4: and you'll get it on Monday. 668 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 3: How about it? 669 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,080 Speaker 4: And for those wondering what is black and I look 670 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,759 Speaker 4: like Dracula and I'm look like a black man, so 671 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,800 Speaker 4: you know, he's. 672 00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:08,360 Speaker 3: Your radio creativity to figure that out. But if you've. 673 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,960 Speaker 4: Missed any of this show though, you'll want to catch 674 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 4: the podcast. Just search two pros wherever get your podcast. 675 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,239 Speaker 4: Right after the show, today's pot will be posted, so 676 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,359 Speaker 4: be sure to follow it. Rated five stars. You can 677 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,000 Speaker 4: even provide a review. Again, just search two pros where 678 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:22,920 Speaker 4: ever get your podcast, you'll find today's full show and 679 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 4: a best of version posted right after we get off 680 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:25,359 Speaker 4: the air. 681 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,480 Speaker 3: No, no turns. 682 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 11: This is the herd Line news great two yeah, no 683 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:34,000 Speaker 11: standing ovation. 684 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:38,880 Speaker 10: This hour's Oh yeah, I love it. I love it. 685 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,759 Speaker 10: I wish everyone could see that. LeVar, You're gonna like 686 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 10: this one. 687 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:42,920 Speaker 3: Do it. 688 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:44,279 Speaker 10: Brian Kelly is back. 689 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:48,120 Speaker 11: He has resurfaced as the price of college football rosters 690 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,919 Speaker 11: continue to skyrock around the country. Listen to what Brian Kelly, 691 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,520 Speaker 11: the former LSU coach, said this morning on Sirius XM 692 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,960 Speaker 11: on the state of college football and LSU's roster next year. 693 00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,240 Speaker 12: College football is not in a bad place. The revenue 694 00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,759 Speaker 12: is ridiculous. Like I don't even know how LSU's doing 695 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,360 Speaker 12: it right. They're paying lang Kiffin whatever they're paying me. 696 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:06,520 Speaker 5: That's crease. 697 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,759 Speaker 12: That shouldn't happen, but it is because the money is 698 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:15,440 Speaker 12: out there. So the problems are real. But college football 699 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:16,600 Speaker 12: is still at a pretty good place. 700 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,280 Speaker 3: It's in a great place, and they're paying a forty 701 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,439 Speaker 3: million dollars roster by the way down there, I mean. 702 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,040 Speaker 4: Maybe a little more, Yeah, a little bit more if 703 00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:26,520 Speaker 4: you want to tell us so how much more? 704 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:26,960 Speaker 3: Want? You know? 705 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,359 Speaker 4: We'd love that with that, With that being said, more 706 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:30,800 Speaker 4: than forty I'll tell you that. 707 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:34,920 Speaker 11: More than forty million dollars for LSU's roster. Now, Colin 708 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,400 Speaker 11: has said the SEC is in a real trouble with 709 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,440 Speaker 11: nil because basically they have schools like Texas and Air 710 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,160 Speaker 11: and them keeping them afloat with all their big business tax. 711 00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,239 Speaker 10: Oil money, and I like the Big ten. 712 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,080 Speaker 11: They don't have the luxury of the Nike money and 713 00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,360 Speaker 11: the financial money in Chicago, New York markets and the 714 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:54,440 Speaker 11: Hollywood money in La Ucla USC So, I mean this 715 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,640 Speaker 11: is crazy, Like LSU, I don't know how they can 716 00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:00,279 Speaker 11: afford a forty million dollars roster, but it's it's so 717 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:05,200 Speaker 11: out of control that there's like there's no guardrails in place. 718 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:07,759 Speaker 11: And then you hear my favorite is when you hear 719 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,360 Speaker 11: guys like Brian Kelly and other people involved in college 720 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:11,640 Speaker 11: football take shots. 721 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:12,000 Speaker 3: At other people. 722 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:16,960 Speaker 4: And when that was the coach, it was good enough. 723 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,200 Speaker 4: It's like it's like two serial killers next to each 724 00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,560 Speaker 4: other and he one looks over at the other and goes, God, really, 725 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:26,319 Speaker 4: we're the same guy. 726 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:28,359 Speaker 3: What do you mean? Don't give me that look. It's 727 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:29,880 Speaker 3: just the whole thing's odd. 728 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:33,440 Speaker 4: But you know, I guess if you got the Boddy 729 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,200 Speaker 4: and you can, I just wish we could go back 730 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,520 Speaker 4: to the blue Chips days where you could just buy 731 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,680 Speaker 4: somebody a tractor and they'd come to your shop. It 732 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,359 Speaker 4: was good enough, good enough, Yeah, why not you don't 733 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,960 Speaker 4: get somebody who's mom a job, who doesn't doesn't deserve it, 734 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,320 Speaker 4: and you know pay, you know, drop off a double 735 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:48,640 Speaker 4: bag full of cash and make. 736 00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:50,600 Speaker 10: It that we'd saved the best. 737 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,920 Speaker 11: Usually this segment is called the best for last. 738 00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:55,399 Speaker 10: We've said the best for last. 739 00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,560 Speaker 11: So last night Russell Westbrook turned the tables on the media. 740 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,719 Speaker 11: The Kings lost their fiftieth game of the season. They 741 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,799 Speaker 11: have the worst record of the NBA. Russell Westbrook has 742 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,759 Speaker 11: been surprisingly quiet this year, but last night he let 743 00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:12,200 Speaker 11: loose on the local assembled assembled Sacramento media, with the 744 00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,320 Speaker 11: reporters starting the press conference asking what they can accomplish 745 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,000 Speaker 11: in these last nineteen games. After hitting the fifty loss 746 00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:18,799 Speaker 11: mark last night. 747 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:23,280 Speaker 13: You know, go out compete, just a game. You're a professional, 748 00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:27,000 Speaker 13: go out and play and that's all you can do. 749 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:30,400 Speaker 13: Which I think though, because y'all got a lot of 750 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:35,760 Speaker 13: answers and you'll always be talking. Oh, it's very interesting. 751 00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,800 Speaker 13: Nobody y'all don't got no. No, you guys have a 752 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,040 Speaker 13: lot of opinions about how we do, what we're doing. 753 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:44,520 Speaker 13: What you got no you yeah, you make a lot 754 00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,160 Speaker 13: of statements and broad statements that you have no context. 755 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,560 Speaker 13: So what do you get your context from? Are you 756 00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:54,120 Speaker 13: in practice? Are you at our film session? Are you 757 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:55,600 Speaker 13: anywhere around the building? 758 00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:56,759 Speaker 7: Yes? 759 00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:01,600 Speaker 14: No, I haven't seen that practice. So the false context 760 00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,399 Speaker 14: of and actually do you know me? No, you don't 761 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:06,680 Speaker 14: know me. You don't know me. You don't know me, 762 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:08,719 Speaker 14: but you make a lot of comments as though you 763 00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:12,800 Speaker 14: do know me. I'm calling a no, no. 764 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,879 Speaker 13: You don't mind intent. I see it, I see it 765 00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,279 Speaker 13: anybody else? Do you guys have any comments about how 766 00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,880 Speaker 13: we play with who were doing? You guys are quiet today, 767 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:22,279 Speaker 13: but you guys have a lot of comments when the 768 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,440 Speaker 13: game's going on, after the game, what we're doing, what 769 00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,399 Speaker 13: we should be doing, how we should be doing it? 770 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:34,520 Speaker 14: I'm confused. Oh let me let me hear. You must 771 00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:35,560 Speaker 14: have in our film session too. 772 00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,239 Speaker 13: I'm not in your film session, but you guys have 773 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:39,719 Speaker 13: the worst record in the NBA. 774 00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:40,240 Speaker 7: Cool. 775 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:44,319 Speaker 10: I think it's great. 776 00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,279 Speaker 11: I think I think this should happened more often where 777 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,600 Speaker 11: players start peppering the local media for how critical they are. 778 00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,160 Speaker 10: Sometimes, I mean, why not, right lebar. 779 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:56,919 Speaker 5: You're a well and I am a current media personality, 780 00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,400 Speaker 5: right sides of it, so I do see both sides 781 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,640 Speaker 5: of it. They have a job to do the media, 782 00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,719 Speaker 5: and obviously the player has a job to do. But 783 00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,319 Speaker 5: when you have a player that takes the time to 784 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:11,520 Speaker 5: actually address it to the level that he just did 785 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,680 Speaker 5: you know in that that SoundBite, I mean, that's I mean, 786 00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:15,440 Speaker 5: think about it. 787 00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,440 Speaker 4: I do, like you know, I mean, he might be 788 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,800 Speaker 4: honest with you man, And I know this is probably 789 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,239 Speaker 4: I shouldn't feel this way because I'm a member of 790 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:27,040 Speaker 4: the quote unquote media. When the player drops the you 791 00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,319 Speaker 4: never played the game card or something along those lines, 792 00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:33,160 Speaker 4: I think it's hilarious because it really is the kill shot. 793 00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:35,040 Speaker 5: What do you say? 794 00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:35,680 Speaker 2: Really? 795 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:37,239 Speaker 10: You know what I mean, what what he is? 796 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:39,520 Speaker 5: How do you how do you combat? 797 00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:39,960 Speaker 7: You know? 798 00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:44,120 Speaker 4: You know you know you're absolutely right, But I mean, 799 00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,319 Speaker 4: but you can be a little bit more creative if 800 00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,120 Speaker 4: you are the athlete, because that is the. 801 00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:49,400 Speaker 5: Easy go to you. 802 00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:51,680 Speaker 4: You know, you can easily, you know, shut him down, 803 00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:53,120 Speaker 4: you know, like I don't want to, you know, I'm 804 00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,000 Speaker 4: not trying to turn this into a uh, you know, 805 00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:56,600 Speaker 4: Brian Cox Chris Meyer situation. 806 00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:58,000 Speaker 3: But I would just say this, Nike. 807 00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:05,400 Speaker 4: And that Russell Westbrook has shown he will bite back, 808 00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,640 Speaker 4: whether it's a fan, whether it's a member of the media, 809 00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,960 Speaker 4: he will talk back. And what's what's interesting about how 810 00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,520 Speaker 4: bad it is that he was in the same locker 811 00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,280 Speaker 4: room with Kevin Durant all those years, and Kevin Durant 812 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,640 Speaker 4: will do the same thing to where he'll go back 813 00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,959 Speaker 4: at somebody on Twitter, he'll make a fake profile, which 814 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,840 Speaker 4: makes me wonder, what the hell was that dynamic like 815 00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,560 Speaker 4: between those two guys. No wonder if they it wasn't 816 00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:30,279 Speaker 4: tenable after a while and they had to. 817 00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:30,839 Speaker 3: Go out towhere. 818 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,319 Speaker 11: But what does this also tell you these guys are 819 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:36,960 Speaker 11: always paying attention. Yes, despite what they say, they are 820 00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,760 Speaker 11: paying attention to what you're right attention. I mean, Russ 821 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:46,200 Speaker 11: clearly knew what exact reporters to go after, like he literally, 822 00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,759 Speaker 11: if you're watching the video of it, he's looking at 823 00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,200 Speaker 11: specific guys going what do you what do you think? 824 00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:52,160 Speaker 5: What do you think? 825 00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:55,000 Speaker 11: And then it keeps going where other guys are asking 826 00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:58,520 Speaker 11: him questions and he's just answering them. So he clearly 827 00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,960 Speaker 11: had a targeted sort of agenda there last night. 828 00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,640 Speaker 4: But remember when he was celebrated when he signed the 829 00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:08,080 Speaker 4: extension with Oklahoma City after Kevin Durant left, and everyone's like, hey, man, 830 00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,799 Speaker 4: at least he showed some loyalty, bro, at least he 831 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,520 Speaker 4: was loyal, unlike that bastard Kevin Durant. 832 00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:15,840 Speaker 3: He's been on sixteen since. 833 00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:22,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, Russell Westbrook has literally traveled the globe playing basketball, 834 00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,239 Speaker 4: and now he's on the Sacramento. 835 00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:25,440 Speaker 11: King And guess what, I'm sure he'd like to be 836 00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,239 Speaker 11: on another team had they cut him for playoff parts. 837 00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:29,680 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and you. 838 00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,480 Speaker 4: Know what, He's been in the league eighteen years now, 839 00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,160 Speaker 4: which is wild to think about. Do you think Russell 840 00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:38,080 Speaker 4: Westbrook's coming back next year? No guaranteed. 841 00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:39,879 Speaker 10: Oh absolutely, he's coming back. 842 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,160 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, Garano, you don't think so? 843 00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:46,120 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, he'll find a job. We'll be there, No 844 00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:50,120 Speaker 4: way Are we done? Are we done? 845 00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:52,480 Speaker 3: Russell Westbrook's going to be there, man. 846 00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,600 Speaker 5: I don't buy it. Not for one second do I 847 00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,800 Speaker 5: buy Russell Wilson Josh Johnson of the NBA. 848 00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:01,759 Speaker 3: Hey, he might be right, he might be back. 849 00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,200 Speaker 5: Hey, everybody, enjoy your weekend. I hope you'll enjoyed the show. 850 00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:05,280 Speaker 5: Check out the podcast.