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Speaker 1: My name is Clay Nukleman. This is a production of

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Speaker 1: the bear Grease podcast called The bear Grease Render, where

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Speaker 1: we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the scenes

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Speaker 1: of the actual bear Grease podcast, presented by f h

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Speaker 1: F Gear, American Maid, purpose built hunting and fishing gear

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Speaker 1: that's designed to be as rugged as the place as

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Speaker 1: we explore. Hit it, Christian, that sounds famil. Do you

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Speaker 1: know that song?

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Speaker 2: BRep?

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Speaker 1: Yeah sounds good. All right, Joe, Welcome Christian. Good to

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Speaker 1: have you. Man, Hey, welcome to the beargreash Render. This

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Speaker 1: is a monumental day. Monumental day we have. We have

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Speaker 1: an incredible room full of guests. I've got Gary Believer

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Speaker 1: new come here to my right. Good to see you Dad.

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Speaker 1: Where does Believer hat? Yeah, that's like that's like me like, uh, it's.

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Speaker 3: Like Michael Jordan wearing Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like Michael Jordan's wearing is m j you know,

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Speaker 1: like spreading out for the dunk. Welcome, Dad, thank you.

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Speaker 1: I'll introduce our guests. Last have Josh Lambridge Spilmmaker here

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Speaker 1: to the left.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 1: We have Brent Reeves of this Country Life wearing his

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Speaker 1: overall is looking good as usual I've never want Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you were.

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Speaker 3: Well, we're the ones that are nice and broke into yep,

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Speaker 3: every I got like seventh pair of them.

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Speaker 2: They're all will What is it?

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Speaker 1: Is there a strategy one for every day?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Oh yeah, if you have a Sunday.

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Speaker 1: You don't watch them every day. I know that's a lie.

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Speaker 2: No, Lexis does takes them right down to the creek,

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Speaker 2: the old rock down there that gal's working.

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Speaker 1: Well, good to have you, Brent. Our our guest today,

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Speaker 1: who uh, Lieutenant Joe Alexander, Yes, Sir, Oklahoma Department of

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Speaker 1: Wildlife game Warden. Good to have you back. You're on

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Speaker 1: the last render.

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Speaker 5: Glad to be here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was, it's it's been. Uh it was a

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Speaker 1: lot of fun last time. And uh kind of our

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Speaker 1: guest of honor today, I don't know about that. Well,

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Speaker 1: you're you're our guest of honor for sure. Is retired

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Speaker 1: Oklahoma game Warden Jeff Brown.

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Speaker 4: Who was good to be here.

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Speaker 1: Who was the star of the Last Burgeris podcast.

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Speaker 4: You know there again if you want to call it that, yeah.

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Speaker 1: That's what we call it. That's what we can Jeff

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Speaker 1: the star.

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Speaker 4: And my uh my wife's getting a kick out of it.

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Speaker 1: I know that did she What did she think? Did she?

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Speaker 3: She?

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Speaker 4: She likes it? And uh the part there at the

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Speaker 4: at the leading end of that he said something about

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Speaker 4: legendary Oklahoma law man in the Sooner state or something,

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Speaker 4: and she guff aled And she's still she's still laughing

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Speaker 4: about it. But I played it back and forth several times.

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Speaker 3: She's like's gonna start rolling in.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, I guess I need to. I need to

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Speaker 1: solve something like right off the bat I had somebody.

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Speaker 1: So far, the only complaint I've heard about the podcast

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Speaker 1: is that I called Oklahoma the Midwest. So so I'm

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Speaker 1: asking the Oklahoma's in the room. Is Oklahoma the Midwest?

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Speaker 5: You know, it could be the Midwest, it's you know,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's it's kind of it's kind of the

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Speaker 1: That qualifies for it being in the Midwest.

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Speaker 2: Geographical center of the United States in Oklahoma.

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Speaker 1: It's in Kansas, Kansas. The geographic center of the US

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Speaker 1: Minnesota is the dead center. Like think about Alaska, Oh yeah, Florida,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, big, That would make it about the geographical center

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Speaker 2: For sure.

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Speaker 5: I'd consider Oklahoma the hub of America.

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Speaker 2: There we go.

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Speaker 1: You have the right to think that he's also toting

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Speaker 1: We uh, yeah, we over just a little bit further east.

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Speaker 1: Think it's kind of over here. But no, Jeff, when

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Speaker 4: It in? I retired last October October of twenty three.

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Speaker 1: And you started in eighty five, eighty five, So how

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Speaker 4: Thirty eight thirty eight years and one month?

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Speaker 1: When when you when you retired? Was it?

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Speaker 1: It difficult?

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Speaker 4: Being a game warden I lived. That was my life

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Speaker 4: and my family's life. That's what we did. I did

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Speaker 1: And uh, and by that you mean just like being

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Speaker 4: Being on call, it's it's uh, it's a way of life.

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Speaker 4: It's not a job. It's a way of life. It's

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Speaker 4: I was ready. I was I was ready to quit.

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Speaker 4: I outlived my usefulness.

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Speaker 1: So now, Brent, you were tired about the same time,

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Speaker 1: same month, did y'all? Did y'all? I guess you hadn't met.

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Speaker 1: It seems like a pretty good strategy to uh on

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Probably, it is a great it's a very you

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Speaker 2: don't think about it when it's all going on, but

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Speaker 2: then one day, just like Joe said, you wake up

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Speaker 2: and you're just like the guy next door. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, now, Joe, you and Jeff worked together pretty closely

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that would be That would be an understatement.

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Speaker 5: There's a we go back a long ways. In fact,

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Speaker 5: when Jeff moved to to the county that that I

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Speaker 5: grew up in. That's kind of what introduced me, you know,

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Speaker 5: to to him and game warden work.

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Speaker 1: Before you work for the department.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, when I was a kid.

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Speaker 1: Oh really, So yeah, you've known.

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Speaker 4: I've known Joe since he was in high school. It's

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Speaker 4: not before. Yeah, And uh I knew his dad. His

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Speaker 4: and Joe got into law enforcement and and uh we

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Speaker 5: I wound up deciding that wasn't for me. And but

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Speaker 5: We spent a long time together, even before, like you said,

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Speaker 1: Excellent, dad. Do you have any advice for for Brent

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Speaker 1: Yeah, when'd you retire ten years ago?

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Speaker 1: Well on that note, yeah, pretty good advice. So today,

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Speaker 1: would you say, you know, in the in the episode, Jeff,

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Speaker 1: you emphasized how much it's like paddlefish was king over

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Speaker 1: that was like high on the list. Is that is

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Speaker 4: It is at least as of October it was, you know,

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Speaker 4: and I was the district captain for several years. For

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Speaker 4: eighteen years, I was a district captain, and so I

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Speaker 4: got to dictate some of what was important and what wasn't. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: but but yes, paddlefish is very important, like we've talked

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Speaker 4: were still growing our deer herd. We were still growing

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Speaker 4: our turkey herd, our turkey flock. I'm sorry, but those

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Speaker 4: Deer here to stay. Paddlefish is something that is there

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Speaker 2: It's always something I see where this is going. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 5: I seen him run that.

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Speaker 1: Look it says, uh, commercial fisherman, Brent Reeves, that's who

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Speaker 1: Now, why would a state. It actually was news to

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Speaker 1: What do you think, Brant?

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Speaker 2: I listened to this country life this week. You listened

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and as guides.

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Speaker 4: Something THATSS have made. It just popped into my head.

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Speaker 4: I don't know that that just kind of makes sense

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Speaker 1: I know one thing.

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Speaker 2: You can't go to home depot with a hoop net

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's awesome.

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Speaker 1: If Brent, if Brent, we're in the state of Oklahoma

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Speaker 4: It would draw attention?

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Speaker 2: I go through Oklahoma only a lot.

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00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,119
Speaker 1: No, I didn't know. I guess. I guess having a

441
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 1: hoop net in your truck would show intent to fish.

442
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 2: It would it would?

443
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:37,359
Speaker 5: Yeah, But you know that that population and the fish

444
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 5: population in Mississippi River, it's it's in good shape and unexplorted. Now,

445
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 5: but wait till that. Tim and Brent.

446
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, if we ever figured out how to catch the man,

447
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:51,359
Speaker 1: tell us tell us about that hoop net needle that

448
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:52,400
Speaker 1: you can.

449
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:54,880
Speaker 2: You Yeah, I can tell you about it. I'm gonna

450
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,159
Speaker 2: do some stuff on it. But yeah, my brother was

451
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 2: going through some of my dad's stuff and found that

452
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 2: I net needle that was carved out of hickory. And

453
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:05,679
Speaker 2: you can see the knife marks on there. And it

454
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,119
Speaker 2: wasn't our dad's, but it had to have been either,

455
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 2: and it wouldn't have been my grandfather's. It would have

456
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,640
Speaker 2: had to been like my great grandfathers or beyond that

457
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,399
Speaker 2: because there was some net fishing. I mean it was

458
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 2: unrestricted back in the day, but they did some net

459
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 2: fishing and stuff. Now my dad never did do it,

460
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 2: but it's there's no telling how old that thing is.

461
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 2: This probably goes back five or six generations and it's

462
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 2: it's pretty cool. And he found that going through some

463
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:33,159
Speaker 2: stuff the other day and gave it to me.

464
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 1: So it's a wooden I'd never seen one, but it's

465
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 1: a it's a it's a wooden tool about this big

466
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:42,879
Speaker 1: yep that's about it's about carved from a single piece

467
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 1: of hickory.

468
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 2: It's about ten inches long.

469
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 1: And it's it's it's hard to even describe it.

470
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 2: It looks like a it looks like a long folsom

471
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:54,200
Speaker 2: point yeah, and uh ain't that's the ones that cut

472
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,119
Speaker 2: the flutes on the side of it, right, it's shaped,

473
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 2: it's shaped like that. And I mean, these guys know

474
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 2: what a net needle looks like. But I'll you wrap

475
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 2: your string around and it's got a it's it's hollow

476
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 2: on the end, like a like a church steeple. It's hollering.

477
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,360
Speaker 2: It's got a point a pegsticking in it, and that's

478
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 2: where you'd wrap the string around. And then as you

479
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 2: did the I think it's called the flying Dutchman knot

480
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 2: that you tie nets together with. It feeds off of that,

481
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 2: off of that needle, and that's how it works. It's

482
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 2: really cool, very cool. Well, uh, dad, have you ever

483
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 2: had caviar?

484
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 1: Oh?

485
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:36,159
Speaker 2: No, not.

486
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 6: I probably have as old as I am, But just

487
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 6: for that, I don't want any of I'll be honest

488
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 6: with you. If you know we're gonna eat caviar, y'all,

489
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,919
Speaker 6: might I mean I'll probably taste of it. I'm just

490
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,679
Speaker 6: not much. You know, if it's not peanut butter and jelly,

491
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:53,680
Speaker 6: I don't go for it.

492
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 2: Yeah you go us.

493
00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 1: Wait, you had fried caviar on the Christian Have you

494
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 1: ever read caviar?

495
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 4: I don't know what you can call fried egg fish

496
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 4: eggs caviar, that's what we called it. I think that's

497
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:11,439
Speaker 4: just fish eggs.

498
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,719
Speaker 1: Lieutenant Joe, have you had had you? Have you had

499
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 1: caviar before?

500
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 2: Yes? I have?

501
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 1: Are you a fan?

502
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 5: Well, you know it goes back to.

503
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 3: That chose a refined kind of guy.

504
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 5: And you know, I'm looking for that mirror war or.

505
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 1: Taste of the ocean church combined into a beautiful poetry

506
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 1: that in the mouth with a burst of the I

507
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,400
Speaker 1: wish we had that guy from California here.

508
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 3: I have to shout out to Alan Morris with sterling caviar. Yeah,

509
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 3: he did send us some some wow, some sturgeon white

510
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 3: sturgeon caviar for us to try.

511
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 1: Well, let's let's look at it. Okay, Christian hit us

512
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 1: with a banjo lick. We got here hit it Christian celebration,

513
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 1: that's what you say, sek. So this is how the

514
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 1: caviar comes. It comes, and it's they overnight it. Wherever

515
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 1: it's wherever it's going, they overnight it. Now, where has

516
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:09,680
Speaker 1: it been since? It wasn't overnighted last night?

517
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 2: It was, it's been a refrigerator.

518
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 1: Okay, I'll eat fresh caviar.

519
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 3: Well it's as fresh as you're going to get.

520
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 1: Okay, So now let's let's do a little review here

521
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 1: before we get going. So it was really interesting to

522
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: me to learn about the history of caviar in in

523
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 1: Eastern Europe and the Europe. I mean, like how they

524
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 1: had these rich sturgeon filled rivers and you can imagine

525
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 1: when the population was put your lid back on. Yeah,

526
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 1: this is going to take a while, gentlemen. I happened

527
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: to be a caviar expert. No, but you know when

528
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: the poppy, you know, a thousand years ago, the population

529
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: of Europe would have been way lower than it is,

530
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 1: and you get you get the idea that they could

531
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 1: pull a lot of resource from those rivers and not

532
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 1: affect populations as much. And this lady we listened to

533
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 1: a podcast. There's a book about the history of caviar.

534
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: We tried to get the lady on our podcast and

535
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: she wouldn't come.

536
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 2: She was not real cooperative.

537
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, she uh, wonderful, wonderful lady, but wouldn't was unable

538
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 1: to come on our podcast too. Yeah, and uh but

539
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: from listening to her some of her stuff, she she Wow,

540
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: was she the one that said caviar was as common

541
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 1: as butter at some points in time? Like it was

542
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 1: just something that like it was the common person ate caviar.

543
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,719
Speaker 3: There's actually a movie, a Russian movie from nineteen sixty

544
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 3: two where this this this Soviet military guy is sent

545
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,959
Speaker 3: to this kind of remote area and he's sitting in

546
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 3: front of a mixing bowl full of caviar and he's

547
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 3: just complaining about having to eat caviar.

548
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 1: So so the way it became so popular and ingrained

549
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 1: in the culture ended up being this this symbol of

550
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 1: luxury and wealth, was that at one time it was

551
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 1: like common food, like everybody ate it. It was just food.

552
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 2: There's a lady that works with a Lexus and she

553
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 2: immigrated with her family from from Russia and she said that.

554
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 2: I asked her the other day, I said, you like

555
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 2: do you like it? She said, oh, yeah, I love it.

556
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 2: That's what's the difference in it? She said, Well, the

557
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 2: elite people eat black caviar and the rest of us

558
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 2: eat red.

559
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 1: Oh is that right, black and red caviar, that's what

560
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 1: she said. Huh, I'm a I'm a black caviar man.

561
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 4: But you know, these Eastern Europeans that we dealt with

562
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 4: a lot in operation Russian Snag also made caviar out

563
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 4: of other fish species.

564
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 1: Oh really, what were they tapping into?

565
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, you mentioned like three or four Yeah, some they

566
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 4: did a lot of what's that salmon? In Colorado still

567
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 4: had no cutthroat.

568
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 1: Silver salmon caviar.

569
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, but they made red cab are at of

570
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 4: different salmon species type fish because we would, as we

571
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 4: would catch some of them, confiscate some of their tackle

572
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 4: and stuff. Also in this tackle was was little snagging tackle.

573
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 4: We'd ask them what that was for, and that was

574
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 4: the the species or whatever they were trying to take

575
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 4: in Colorado, which I think it was. It was legal

576
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 4: in some instances some way they could do it. But yeah,

577
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 4: they utilized other fish species too.

578
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 2: They said in an article I read the other day

579
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 2: about Arkansas that they would use both ins grintl Yeah,

580
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 2: you can buy both fen paddlefish and then sturgeon. But

581
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 2: there was like you said, it was like three or

582
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 2: four on the list. What are the middle too?

583
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: Well, it's different types of stur.

584
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 4: Different types of sturgeon, I got you. Yeah, yeah, that

585
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 4: you mentioned in both end. Yeah, you can buy both

586
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 4: in caviar in caviar shots. But that goes back to

587
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 4: the both in is a prehistoric species of fish also, right,

588
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 4: so there's a common denominator. There is this similar to sturgeon.

589
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 4: I've never seen it today.

590
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 1: Now we have sturgeon in our rivers in this part

591
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 1: of the world.

592
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 5: Is that is that true Arkansas?

593
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they're not they're not showing those sturgeon here.

594
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: They get big. I mean, why are people illegally catching

595
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 1: sturgeon for that caviar.

596
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 4: They don't get big like they do in the Snake

597
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 4: River up in the Northwest. That's a different sturgeon. These

598
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 4: these are small sturgeon. They're I don't know.

599
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 3: That if there is abundant, No, they're really get since

600
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 3: that in Europe, those sturgeon are big.

601
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I think they're like the surgeon. They're like

602
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 4: the sturgeon in the in the Snake Rivers. Yeah.

603
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's why they hundreds of pounds. They had

604
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: these huge eggsacts and tons of eggs and why they

605
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: could harvest so much. Back to the story just for

606
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 1: anybody that had missed it in the podcast. So the

607
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,959
Speaker 1: sturgeon was just like common. It was this common thing

608
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: that people ate. And then it became it started to

609
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: become this way I understood the timeline. It became more

610
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 1: of a limited resources as populations increased, as sturgeon populations

611
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 1: began to be exploited. And this took place like over

612
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 1: hundreds of years. And then that's when what do you see.

613
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 2: Five pounds was the largest chiven old sturgeon caught in Arkansas.

614
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: Oh okay, so it wouldn't have that many eggs. And

615
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: then and then that's when the churches they were they

616
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: were asking people to fast from meat, the Orthodox churches,

617
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 1: and that's when they made a decision at some point

618
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: and sometime and they said, well, you can't eat meat

619
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: on this religious fast, but you can't eat caviar. And

620
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it was like caviar just became

621
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 1: the thing because people could eat it and still meet

622
00:33:56,080 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: these religious rituals. And then I think the rivers became

623
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 1: exploited and all of a sudden it grew into this

624
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: thing where just the wealthy had it and had access

625
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 1: to it. And then now, what I asked Keith when

626
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 1: I was with him and it was on the episode,

627
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 1: was it seems like this stuff would translate into our

628
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 1: culture if it was that big a deal. Like, I'm

629
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 1: still a little bit surprised that like Midwestern and Southern

630
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 1: America places where there are paddlefish, I'm surprised that we're

631
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 1: not pumped about paddlefish caviart.

632
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, because we're eating gizzards and livers. Yeah, everything, it.

633
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 4: Isn't I think it is an acquired taste. The right

634
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 4: reasons Europeans like it was that they've been raised on it. Yeah,

635
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 4: it'd be just like us going to northern Alaska and

636
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 4: eating seal blubber probably would find it terrible, but the

637
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 4: the natives up there love it. Culture, it's a cultural thing.

638
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 2: I had a guy I put a video on my

639
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 2: Instagram by cooking a cuckoo coon and he said, my gosh, man,

640
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 2: what's next squirrels up?

641
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 1: That was.

642
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think you know what Keith said that. And

643
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 5: when when you were talking to Keith about you know

644
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 5: the people around here, they they see fish eggs laying

645
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,359
Speaker 5: on the ground. Yeah, you know, they they wouldn't even

646
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 5: imagine trying to eat that fish eggs that somebody had

647
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 5: cleaned their fish and thrown it back in the water

648
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:31,800
Speaker 5: and whatnot. Uh So it's it has to be culture.

649
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:32,359
Speaker 2: You know.

650
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 5: Throughout the throughout the years, we're you know, pretty much

651
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 5: all the the regular common Joe's so to speak, the

652
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 5: blue collar America. You know, they they weren't raised with caviar. Yeah,

653
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 5: they didn't put caviar on top of their crackers and

654
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 5: that sort of thing.

655
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 2: You know.

656
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 5: They catfish, they had flathead right out of the river,

657
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 5: you know, and they they weren't keeping.

658
00:35:54,200 --> 00:36:00,800
Speaker 4: Even though even the upper crust people and Mid America,

659
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 4: uh the more you know, wealth to do. We would

660
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 4: have open house at the Paddlefish Center and would have

661
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 4: fresh paddlefish, caviar, and and there were senators and legislators

662
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 4: and wealthy business men they came to this and there

663
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 4: was always caviar left over.

664
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 1: Is that right?

665
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 4: Even even even the upper echelon of people in the

666
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 4: mid United States don't eat a lot of it. It's

667
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 4: been my experience.

668
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 3: Now, I really hyped myself up to like this caviar

669
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 3: in there.

670
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 4: You know, there's some people talk it up. I talk

671
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 4: it down every chance I get. I do not like it.

672
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 4: And I told you all to go why I don't

673
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 4: like it and that, and it just tastes like rotten paddlefish.

674
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 2: Man.

675
00:36:55,800 --> 00:37:02,720
Speaker 1: One time I had uh m, I had whale whale.

676
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 1: It's it's I can't remember the name. There's a there's

677
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,240
Speaker 1: a there's a term. It's like tartar.

678
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 2: Uh But it was.

679
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 1: It was a piece of it was beautiful. It was

680
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 1: just like chunk of It didn't look like meat, but

681
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:16,919
Speaker 1: it was. It was a square like a big stick

682
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: of butter, like imagine four sticks of butter stacked together.

683
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,760
Speaker 1: And there was a black line white dark black about

684
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: the quarter of an inch, and then white like bear fat.

685
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: And they took it and sliced it and it was

686
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 1: literally whale skin and whale blubber. Yeah, and it was

687
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 1: legally harvested by indigenous people in Alaska. And uh man,

688
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: I put that in my mouth and it I didn't like.

689
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I wasn't going back for more. It was chewy,

690
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: but I felt like that guy that was describing caviar.

691
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,240
Speaker 1: It felt like the ocean was in my mouth.

692
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 2: Well, had you gone back from here? Here was probably

693
00:37:59,120 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 2: plenty of it.

694
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was beautiful, but it was it was wild,

695
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,879
Speaker 1: it was. It was just like now if I was

696
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 1: if I was describing it like Hillbilly would describe it, say, boy,

697
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: that's fishy, but it was. It was more complex than fishy.

698
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: It was like I was tasting like coral reefs.

699
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 3: And oysters, circle cold cold.

700
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: Ice cold. Yeah yeah, yeah, that's probably the way people think.

701
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: Would they eat a squirrel they never had it before.

702
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:35,280
Speaker 4: I don't see how that's possible, because squirrel is squirrels delicious, delicious,

703
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 4: regardless of where you come from.

704
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 2: For real.

705
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 1: Well, let's so we have some cavea. Okay, I'm ready

706
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 1: for the carry.

707
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 2: Now she comes like in ice packs.

708
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: I feel like we're getting a peeking through the lifestyles

709
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: of the rich and famous.

710
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 2: Yeah it is, this.

711
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: Is what this is what happens. Yeah yeah, oh.

712
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 2: No, here this here, this, Josh, what you need?

713
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,439
Speaker 4: You know. I always I always got the impression that

714
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 4: that in the even in the United States as a whole,

715
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 4: but especially in this part of the United States, that

716
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 4: this caviar thing was just more of a status symbol

717
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 4: type thing. Yeah, you eat a little bit of it,

718
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 4: so you say you did, and that's what you were

719
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 4: supposed to do. But in Europe, Eastern Europeans, it's completely opposite.

720
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 4: They eat it for uh, like we would eat you know,

721
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 4: take vitamins and stuff.

722
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 2: Them.

723
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: It's not like status and wealth and luxury. It's just

724
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 1: like us going for play the barbecue.

725
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 4: Oh absolutely, or you know the man, they were just gentlemen.

726
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 1: Uh, I brought something.

727
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 2: You mean, tyle that before. It's still it was time

728
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 2: from the last time he.

729
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 4: Wore last time.

730
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 1: I felt this appro So I feel like you boys

731
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: are a little underdressed.

732
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 3: Okay, So we were ready for this big reveal here.

733
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it. Let's it.

734
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:20,240
Speaker 3: So this is this is almost four ounces of paddlefish caviar.

735
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 2: How much that costs? This? I believe was one hundred

736
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 2: and twenty five dollars.

737
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:33,399
Speaker 1: Really, yeah, let me see paddlefish caviar. There's no way

738
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: that would have been from there's no legal way not

739
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 1: gonna come from Oklahoma.

740
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 4: That come out that probably come out of the Mississippi

741
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 4: system somewhere.

742
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 3: It says battlefish. What does it say on the side

743
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 3: product or wild.

744
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 2: Caught leopard frog? He says paddlefish wild us A And

745
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 2: it's even got a sight ease.

746
00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh wow, how big are those eggs?

747
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 2: Say?

748
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 3: Those those are a number number four shot Probably they're.

749
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 1: Smaller than I thought they would be.

750
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 2: That'd be number.

751
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 4: Keith.

752
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: Keith went into a very detailed description of a shotgunshell

753
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:12,359
Speaker 1: size five maybe.

754
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 5: Uh.

755
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 1: When he was describing all the caviar of the world,

756
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 1: it was pretty interested.

757
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 2: Okay, what else?

758
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,760
Speaker 1: So how much is that that? That's about?

759
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:24,839
Speaker 3: That's about one hundred and twenty hundred and thirty dollars

760
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:29,359
Speaker 3: plus a lot of dollars to overnight it. Then our

761
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:33,800
Speaker 3: our friend Alan Morris Sterling Caviar sent us an equal

762
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 3: dollar figure in in sturge of white sturgeon caviar only

763
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 3: it's a quarter.

764
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 1: Where where do white sturgeon live?

765
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:45,839
Speaker 3: They they they farmed them in their their aquaculture in California?

766
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 2: Oh really?

767
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 1: Is that a Is that a North American school that's

768
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 1: with American species?

769
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 3: They have some wild cat that people get in in

770
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:56,399
Speaker 3: California there.

771
00:41:56,440 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 4: But but is getting you talk about you talk about

772
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 4: these being uncle culture? Is that's another thing that that's

773
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 4: happened to the caviar trade. Uh? Is that the Chinese

774
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 4: is like to do everything else is farm raising their

775
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 4: farm raising, et cetera, a type of Chinese paddlefish of

776
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 4: some sort, kind of the Chinese equivalent.

777
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 3: So that ten that tin of caviar has to have

778
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 3: a key, really be able to open it.

779
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 1: I think Christian for him to play a little banjo

780
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: music while you open your caviar, and then and then

781
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 1: like one minute long song when he opens it.

782
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 3: Most importantly, we have our genuine mother of pearl serving

783
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 3: spoin mm hmm, carved out muscle.

784
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:55,879
Speaker 4: Probably probably an illegal fresh water probably I shouldn't say, knowing, Josh.

785
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 1: Maybe those muscle pickers.

786
00:42:57,800 --> 00:42:58,399
Speaker 4: Muscle picking.

787
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: So you gotta open it up. We're gonna for this

788
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 1: Christian hit it.

789
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 2: Okay, let me get my spoon right here.

790
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 5: How much extra was a spoon?

791
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 2: This is five dollars?

792
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:18,399
Speaker 1: Okay, who's who's gonna try? You don't have to eat.

793
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 4: I'm not going to just like you.

794
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 3: I've had it and so I I.

795
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, John, Christian, nice, nice, I'm your huckleberry.

796
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 1: You're gonna you want something? Yeah, you like it.

797
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 5: It's it's an acquired taste. It's okay. I mean it

798
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 5: don't taste like butter to me.

799
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 4: I've made Well, that's not I've made lots of.

800
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 2: Okay, let me see what this smells like.

801
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: Hey, Isaac, smell. Can you film this?

802
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:48,760
Speaker 2: I don't even smell nothing.

803
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 1: All right, all right, hit me fire up, let me smell,

804
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 1: Let me smelly.

805
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 4: To get the real effect. You got to eat the

806
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 4: first bite without no cracker, you think, so, yeah, well

807
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 4: I better change that. Without any cracker. I'll get in

808
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 4: trouble for better right there. You know you have to

809
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 4: do it.

810
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I have a boom.

811
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 2: They call it.

812
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 3: That's what they call it.

813
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 2: That's a clue.

814
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 1: Keith told us.

815
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:13,280
Speaker 2: That's what Keith told us.

816
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: All Right, This is that's probably one hundred and fifty

817
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 1: potential paddlefish that would have been in some river. Bright acidity,

818
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: a taste of the muddy water of the river, very salty.

819
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 1: It's actually really good. It's fishy, fishy. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

820
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 1: it's it's interesting.

821
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 2: Thank you, tennant Joe.

822
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:51,359
Speaker 1: Now watch this. Let's see how this goes. Not bad,

823
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 1: it's gotta it's got a very I can eat, very

824
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 1: fishy I could eat.

825
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 4: I may have to test them because when not on

826
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 4: I've had it before. It was it was something that

827
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 4: I made eat something.

828
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:05,879
Speaker 1: Okay, we got Jeff.

829
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 4: If we eat some that I eat something that somebody

830
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 4: you did, it might be all right.

831
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 2: I like that. That's good.

832
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 1: It actually is good Christian. He's with the band Joe Celebration.

833
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:17,399
Speaker 2: Come on, that's a whole.

834
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:18,399
Speaker 1: That's the song.

835
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 6: It's a salty you've got fishy taste in my mouth.

836
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 4: Bam, drink like.

837
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 3: I regret this, all right, Jeff's look at Jeff's.

838
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 4: Face, spinning it out.

839
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 2: He still don't like it.

840
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 5: Just you remember it.

841
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 3: Let me have another cracker for Brent.

842
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:41,879
Speaker 4: That's disgusting.

843
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 3: Actually, I mean I like sushi and it kind of

844
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 3: gives you that that.

845
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: The potato steps some blue blood in me. I love it.

846
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 2: Oh, you definitely do you Dad was run the bank,

847
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:57,839
Speaker 2: Lieutenant Joe.

848
00:45:57,880 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 3: You want a cracker?

849
00:45:58,920 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 5: Sure, I'll try cracker.

850
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 1: Now, this is a paddlefish, though.

851
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 4: I'd have something to get that taste down my mouth.

852
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: Every powerful aftertaste. There's thirty dollars worth of care on that.

853
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 5: You don't have to give me.

854
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 2: Such a big dollar. Oh that's good.

855
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 1: I need to let yeah, there's there's yeah here, y'all

856
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 1: keep that over there.

857
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 3: Let me let me, let me try on that.

858
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 1: It does have an odd non fishy taste. That's kind

859
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 1: of powerful, Like it's not.

860
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 4: A taste like dead battlefish.

861
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 1: Now, okay, tell us you were telling us before about

862
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 1: how that tastes like paddlefish smell.

863
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 4: Paddlefish have a distinctive smell. A boat would come off

864
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 4: the water and maybe they had had fish, caught fish,

865
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,879
Speaker 4: release fish, or whatever. But you could tell, you could

866
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 4: tell that that boat had paddlefish in it because of

867
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 4: a distinctive smell. And they're real only and they would

868
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 4: leave an oily sheen on everything they touched. Same thing

869
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 4: with the pickup or something. You could tell if that

870
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 4: pick up it had paddlefish in it recently because of

871
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 4: the way they smell. To me, that's the way that

872
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 4: taste is just yeah.

873
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 2: Can't go for it.

874
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:10,439
Speaker 4: It's it's unique battlefish task.

875
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 6: Say, why is paddlefish so prominent in northeast Oklahoma?

876
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 2: Is that the hub of it or what.

877
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:22,359
Speaker 4: The Grand Lakes excuse me, as ah tis Cracker Grand Lake,

878
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 4: we call that the nursery. That's kind of that was

879
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 4: kind of the last holdout of them. They'd kind of

880
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 4: been because of the dams and the rivers and all

881
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 4: that stuff. They'd kind of been for one reason or

882
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:36,359
Speaker 4: another extirpated from different river systems, and but Grand Lake

883
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 4: was the last major holdout. Now several lakes in northeast Oklahoma,

884
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 4: all the lakes in northeast Oklahoma and several lakes and

885
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 4: other parts of the state have had paddlefish reintroduced and

886
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 4: are doing real well.

887
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 2: Huh interesting, good m yep, here's the lead for that

888
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 2: cow me in Man was like, good moonshine. Once you

889
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 2: on cork it, don't put just throw the cork out

890
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 2: of the window.

891
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 1: Hey, now, what's it going to take for us to

892
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:08,360
Speaker 1: get a row license?

893
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:11,359
Speaker 2: You just gotta go pay for it.

894
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 1: How hard is it to process it?

895
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 4: Is? It?

896
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 2: Is?

897
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: It pretty hard to make it taste that good?

898
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:19,720
Speaker 3: No, literally just mixed salting.

899
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 4: Well, if you take to process, to process the eggs,

900
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 4: you have you have a screen. You take the eggs

901
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 4: out of the fish. There they're attached to a membrane.

902
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 4: You lightly screen the eggs we call it screen, and

903
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 4: you lightly screen them off of that membrane. Throw the

904
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 4: membrane away. Now the eggs are in a mixing bowl.

905
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 4: We use stainless steel mixing bowls. You fill it full

906
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 4: of water and just kind of kind of like you're

907
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 4: panting for gold. You kind of all the all the

908
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 4: blood and yuck, which is very little, comes to the top.

909
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 4: You pour that off, You add a predetermined amount of

910
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 4: salt to it that you want to use on that batch,

911
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,439
Speaker 4: and then you put it in the hydrator, I say

912
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 4: the hydrator. You put it somewhere to to so that

913
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 4: moisture can can come off of it. And you've got

914
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 4: to finish product. Now, for commercial product, then you have

915
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:19,399
Speaker 4: to pasteurize it and all that stuff. But as soon

916
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 4: as you salt it and then get some of the

917
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 4: moisture off of it, it's edible.

918
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 2: Wow.

919
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:29,359
Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, okay, so josh, this is how much did

920
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:29,800
Speaker 1: this tend?

921
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 3: That is probably one hundred and forty two hundred and

922
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:34,720
Speaker 3: fifty dollars worth of Wow, that's a rough one.

923
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 1: I think we should all take a hit without without

924
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 1: a cracker.

925
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 2: I don't ready like the terminology.

926
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:44,280
Speaker 3: Yeah together, Now this this looks a little different. It's bigger,

927
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 3: it's bigger, it feels less. Oh yeah, there's less moisture

928
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 3: in its Number six is right there. Hit me, hit me,

929
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 3: And this is supposed to be better than the other job.

930
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 1: This is some of the best in the world.

931
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:00,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, yeah, that would be supposed to be paddle.

932
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:03,360
Speaker 2: F All right, don't worry. That's put too much of it.

933
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 2: Let me have half of that. That's better.

934
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 1: Less is it doesn't taste fishy.

935
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 3: Oh oh my goodness.

936
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 2: Please please adedit that out.

937
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: Don't edit it out.

938
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 4: I guess I better take some of this too, so.

939
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:22,359
Speaker 1: Like, hey that I get it.

940
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 2: I can see the difference.

941
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 1: I get it. Okay, this is what happens when you

942
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 1: spill big difference. That's probably forty dollars worth of sturgeon

943
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:40,959
Speaker 1: caviar that was on the ground here in my office.

944
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 1: My office is very clear. Yeah, I've seen the dog

945
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:43,399
Speaker 1: in here.

946
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 2: The dogs claim too.

947
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 4: I can, I can. I can see that.

948
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:49,319
Speaker 2: It's pretty good.

949
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 6: Uh the fishy, the fishy taste went away on that.

950
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 3: Oh oh wow, that's good. I don't know what to say.

951
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: Did you try, Joe, it's definitely yeah, describe what's going

952
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 1: on in your mouth.

953
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:12,319
Speaker 5: It's a circus and the eggs are on the trapeze

954
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 5: at the moment.

955
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 2: Go back.

956
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, it is.

957
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 2: It's a lot.

958
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:19,280
Speaker 1: It's almost sweat.

959
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 4: It's almost Yes, it's a lot more subtle.

960
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:21,800
Speaker 1: It's subtle.

961
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:25,319
Speaker 5: That real brightness of the paddlefish caviar is, it's not there.

962
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 5: It's real subtle. It's nice, super creamy. You can actually

963
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 5: feel the eggs pop.

964
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:31,839
Speaker 4: Now that that's doable. I wouldn't go so far as

965
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 4: to say it's delicious, but it's doable.

966
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 2: Yeah. I could eat that with any kind of cracker.

967
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I'm sure you put that on a cracker

968
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:40,240
Speaker 4: and it may be.

969
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:42,760
Speaker 2: I shake you old hands.

970
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:47,399
Speaker 1: Now, I don't know who told man that that does

971
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 1: taste buttery almost. It almost feels like they put something in.

972
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:54,720
Speaker 4: You know. And in all fairness that who knows where

973
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 4: that paddlefish caviar came from? I mean I know where it.

974
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 4: I know the company you got it from, whoever made that.

975
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 4: Everybody everybody makes her caviar different. Well, he's watching some

976
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 4: of those Eastern Europeans. They'd add all kinds of stuff

977
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 4: to it. They've adding vodka to it. They just adding

978
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 4: different types of so they were adding all kinds of

979
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:16,959
Speaker 4: different uh, spices and stuff. They fixed it all up. Yeah,

980
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 4: they did all kinds of weird stuff to it.

981
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:22,839
Speaker 5: They would process that caviar in hotel rooms and you know,

982
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 5: you'd you'd walk in you know, and there's vodka bottles

983
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 5: laying everywhere, remnants of eggs, you know, things like that.

984
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:33,360
Speaker 5: But no, but no, that's it's good stuff.

985
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 1: We need to eat all this, Okay, I mean.

986
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 4: We're a little bit from Yeah, it didn't have.

987
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 1: I mean, we can save a spoonful. She's not going

988
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 1: to be too pumped about it.

989
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 2: Lieutenant Joe, you.

990
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 1: Let's give something to Isaac and Christianeah.

991
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, guys, cracker straight.

992
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:53,840
Speaker 1: Up, like, yeah, you don't you don't need it on

993
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 1: a cracker.

994
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 2: This is really good.

995
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 4: You know, I'm getting kind of a I'm getting kind

996
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:58,840
Speaker 4: of a tuna aftertaste.

997
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 5: You know when you think, you know, we talk about

998
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:03,839
Speaker 5: it being butter or tasting like butter, salty butter. Well,

999
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 5: everybody like salted butter, you know, Well, pattle fish eggs

1000
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 5: that's really just fat, fat and salt, same thing butter is,

1001
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:12,800
Speaker 5: and so that you're going to get that flavor.

1002
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:18,800
Speaker 4: The eggs that came out of the Grand River system

1003
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 4: we used for caviar the Wildlife Department made in the

1004
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 4: caviard and these great big fish start showing up in

1005
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 4: Keystone Lake. You know, we talked about how the state

1006
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:29,919
Speaker 4: record come out of the world record for a while.

1007
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:31,799
Speaker 4: Come out of Keystone Lake right there on the west

1008
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:36,279
Speaker 4: edge of Tulsa. Keystone Lake is just full of great, big,

1009
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 4: huge paddlefish, and we were really concerned that the Eastern

1010
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 4: Europeans would start trying to mess with those fish. But

1011
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 4: our biologists had done a lot of work on them,

1012
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:51,479
Speaker 4: and they told us that those big fat fish had

1013
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 4: big fat paddlefish eggs and that they didn't make good caviar.

1014
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 1: Oh, it was like too big, it is too fatty,

1015
00:53:58,560 --> 00:53:59,280
Speaker 1: too fatty.

1016
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:05,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, it wouldn't make a good caviar. And consequently, we never,

1017
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:09,479
Speaker 4: if we do, know that the Eastern Europeans fished over there,

1018
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 4: but we never did. We never saw it to the

1019
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 4: extent that we saw it in other places, and that

1020
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:20,240
Speaker 4: may be why that the eggs just didn't make good caviar.

1021
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 2: If you're not eating caviar, you need to take that

1022
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:23,879
Speaker 2: tie off.

1023
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:32,839
Speaker 1: Well, I was expecting that not to be good at all.

1024
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 2: It was good. Good, It was good.

1025
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 1: Good, It was good, wasn't it.

1026
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 3: You were expecting both to be not good.

1027
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 1: Well, Okay, the paddlefish. I could see like fifty to

1028
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 1: fifty people being like I'm going back. Yeah, But the

1029
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 1: salt and fat was nice. The paddlefish that we had

1030
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 1: definitely had a stronger rivery taste.

1031
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1032
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 3: I think if you have a palette for like sushi

1033
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:00,080
Speaker 3: and raw fish like that, you'll probably like it.

1034
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. But if you don't, but that that's searching.

1035
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 4: That caviar that you had there, that was that was doable.

1036
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 2: Man, I don't like caviar. Uh.

1037
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:14,799
Speaker 6: You noticed in the podcast that these guys are saying

1038
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 6: how healthy it is, you know, they they enjoyed the

1039
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:24,280
Speaker 6: healthy aspect of it. Yeah, so't feel healthier.

1040
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't know if it's actually healthy

1041
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 4: or whether that was a cultural just like a myth,

1042
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:36,240
Speaker 4: a myth all like uh like with Oriental Oriental culture.

1043
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:41,360
Speaker 4: Lots of wild things have bear gall bladders have medicinal purpose,

1044
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 4: medicinal properties. So I don't know if it's actually somebody's

1045
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:47,879
Speaker 4: ever sit down and said I can I can't see

1046
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 4: maybe a doctor saying no, it's not good for you

1047
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:53,359
Speaker 4: because it's full of salt. But the rest of it,

1048
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 4: I don't know. But man, the Eastern Europeans, they they

1049
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 4: thought it, uh man, all of a sudden they were superhuman.

1050
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 2: I feel pretty good to my Grandma also said that

1051
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 2: if you ate fish and drink milk, you die.

1052
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 6: So yeah, that was a great joke, no joke.

1053
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 1: She wouldn't drink it if you ate fish and drink milk.

1054
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, she fried. We eat fish every Friday. And I'd say, Moslin,

1055
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:23,799
Speaker 2: I want to see what you want to drink, and

1056
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:25,279
Speaker 2: it's on the glass and mealk. She said, well, you

1057
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:26,880
Speaker 2: can't have it, And I'm like, why, she's able to

1058
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 2: kill you and she had to. My grandmother could cook anything,

1059
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 2: and being a lady, a true southern bell of the South,

1060
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 2: made the worst tea you ever drink. She hated tea,

1061
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:42,319
Speaker 2: so she didn't. She was just like, here it is.

1062
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 2: I mean you can stand ankle deep in it and

1063
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 2: not see your feet.

1064
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 4: We have to have it, but it doesn't have to

1065
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 4: be good.

1066
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 2: That's right, that's right. So we drink water, but she

1067
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 2: wouldn't let you have milk.

1068
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 1: According to Google, it's a powerhouse food. The fish eggs. Well,

1069
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 1: if you think about just people wanting to eat as

1070
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:06,759
Speaker 1: minimally processed food as possible, I mean, just like less

1071
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 1: chemicals less yeah, like I mean it's it's it's like

1072
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 1: it's not even cooked, you know.

1073
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 3: So Yeah, ingredients on that package and salt fish row

1074
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 3: and salt.

1075
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 4: They there's there's a pasteurization process. I don't know exactly

1076
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 4: what that is, but for commercial use there's a pastorization process.

1077
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 4: But other than that, it's it.

1078
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 2: Is there anything? Is there anything that you could get

1079
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 2: from it if you didn't do it correctly? Oh?

1080
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 5: Like salvonilla that I don't know.

1081
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:44,720
Speaker 4: It doesn't if it's not frozen, it doesn't have a

1082
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 4: very long shelf life. I mean, you can put it

1083
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:48,600
Speaker 4: in the refrigerator, but you gotta eat it pretty quick.

1084
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 2: How long can you freeze it? Definitely?

1085
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 3: Alan Morrisse told me you could freeze it.

1086
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 2: I think for a year.

1087
00:57:56,520 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 1: Well, my my caviar expert, who I get my information from,

1088
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 1: Keith Green, tells me that you can freeze paddlefish but

1089
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:04,440
Speaker 1: not sturgeon.

1090
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what he's what he said. You know, it's

1091
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 4: funny we've we've talked about before in those podcasts. The

1092
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 4: US Fish and WILI Service and O d w C

1093
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 4: had a progression of rules on paddlefish eggs and there

1094
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 4: was a time there where the only way paddle fish

1095
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 4: eggs could leave Oklahoma is if they were frozen everybody

1096
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 4: thought that once you freeze them, they're no longer good

1097
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 4: for cavia. We'll come to find out that wasn't right.

1098
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:35,920
Speaker 4: So you know, there there was a period of time

1099
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:37,920
Speaker 4: there where yeah, you can leave the state with paddle

1100
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 4: fish eggs, but you got to have them frozen solid

1101
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 4: as a rock. Well, come find out that wasn't It

1102
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 4: wasn't necessarily the best way.

1103
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 3: I've got a question for you guys. The the regulations

1104
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 3: are that you can only possess three pounds of processed

1105
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 3: eggs correct.

1106
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 2: For personal use. I think it's three three.

1107
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 3: Three, So tell me the philosophy of the Oacle Department,

1108
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:09,440
Speaker 3: Oklahoma Department of Wildlife Conservation. What's the real how do

1109
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 3: they come up with three? If a if a paddlefish

1110
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 3: is going to produce a minimum of five to eight

1111
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 3: pounds of eggs, what's the why just three pounds?

1112
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 4: I think maybe that probably a lot of that's just arbitrary.

1113
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 2: Okay.

1114
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 4: They want they want people to be able to make

1115
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 4: caviar for personal use if they want to. And looking

1116
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 4: at this, three pounds of caviar is a lot. Yeah,

1117
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 4: it is so rich tell you, uh so, so you

1118
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:42,680
Speaker 4: don't need a whole lot you're allowed to fish for

1119
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 4: the year if you if if you're taking fish to

1120
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 4: make caviar for personal use, that's six pounds and you.

1121
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 3: Can if you can throw, you can throw back till

1122
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 3: you get a female.

1123
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, you can catch your release all day

1124
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 4: long if you want to. But a little funny story

1125
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:01,360
Speaker 4: to tell you about how how far this stuff will go.

1126
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:04,520
Speaker 4: There was a guy that worked at the Paddlefish Center

1127
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 4: and he stole a tub of caviaar. Now Keith had

1128
01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 4: a system in place. It was all computerized, and it

1129
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 4: was all accounted for. They not only him, but the

1130
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 4: buyers to be to go back and tell you what

1131
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:22,800
Speaker 4: fish that batch of eggs came from. Oh wow, And

1132
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 4: if there was a container of eggs, there was only

1133
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 4: eggs from one fish in there. Oh, there wasn't mixing.

1134
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:30,680
Speaker 4: There was no mixing eggs. So all of them had

1135
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 4: a lot number, all of them had a fish number.

1136
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 2: All this stuff.

1137
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 4: Anyway, somebody stole one of the guys that worked up there.

1138
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 4: They had a lot of part time summer help. He

1139
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 4: stole some eggs and it wasn't very long. They knew him,

1140
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:44,840
Speaker 4: They knew it was gone, and Keith knew it was gone,

1141
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 4: and they had an idea where it was that So anyway,

1142
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 4: they went to this guy's house and he had eaten

1143
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 4: tried to eat it all, and he was literally out

1144
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 4: in the yard sick as a dog.

1145
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 2: Is that right?

1146
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:57,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's so rich. It's like he'd just eaten a

1147
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:01,560
Speaker 4: tub full of butter, you know, and his old he

1148
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:04,720
Speaker 4: had a belly ache, and and Keith with laugh left back,

1149
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 4: said yeah, we showed up and he was out in

1150
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:09,720
Speaker 4: the front yard, you know, as sick as he could

1151
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:12,640
Speaker 4: because I tried to eat all the evidence. But so

1152
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 4: so you can't eat very much of it at a time.

1153
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:17,800
Speaker 4: It goes a long ways. But back to your original question, Yeah,

1154
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:20,440
Speaker 4: that's just I think that's probably just an arbitrary number.

1155
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:22,160
Speaker 4: Three pounds of eggs is a lot of eggs.

1156
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:24,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, you probably lose. So if you have if you

1157
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:27,040
Speaker 1: have a let's say, a ten pound eggsack on a

1158
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 1: big female of seventy pound female or something, you're not

1159
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:33,280
Speaker 1: going to get ten pounds of processed cavy. Are they're

1160
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:34,160
Speaker 1: going to get almost that?

1161
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:35,120
Speaker 3: Are you really?

1162
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 2: Well?

1163
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, only the only the only, the only thing that

1164
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:40,160
Speaker 4: you're not getting is is that little bit of membrane

1165
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:43,440
Speaker 4: that held all those eggs together and you got to

1166
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:46,919
Speaker 4: batch eggs. It's as big as a bast Like if

1167
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:50,000
Speaker 4: you get a little bitty baseball sized sack off.

1168
01:01:57,440 --> 01:02:01,400
Speaker 1: If I what are the specifics three pounds per person

1169
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:04,200
Speaker 1: or per household per person.

1170
01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:07,640
Speaker 3: So like if I went with duns and my wife

1171
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 3: can get three.

1172
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:10,400
Speaker 1: Pounds, and it can be from the same fish that

1173
01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 1: we could tag. We could tag one fish, like our

1174
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:16,800
Speaker 1: family catches one fish, but we have one fish twelve

1175
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 1: pounds of caviar. That's okay. As long as those people

1176
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 1: are licensed in Oklahoma. Yes, as long as I have

1177
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:25,280
Speaker 1: okay that that makes it so you're not there. There

1178
01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:29,120
Speaker 1: aren't people that are like throwing caviar and like throwing

1179
01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 1: it on the ground because they can't have three pounds

1180
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:33,640
Speaker 1: or they can't have more than three pounds. I mean

1181
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:35,720
Speaker 1: they're they're they're probably fishing.

1182
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:39,080
Speaker 4: With other other than other than the Eastern Europeans. I've

1183
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:44,920
Speaker 4: never seen anybody making caviar. Nobody, not that they don't,

1184
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:45,960
Speaker 4: I've just never seen it.

1185
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:50,320
Speaker 7: Yeah, what is that your experience? The same people aren't

1186
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:52,000
Speaker 7: doing it. The only people that I know that that

1187
01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:55,920
Speaker 7: do it, you know, other than Eastern Europeans. Is Keith

1188
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:57,040
Speaker 7: and maybe his brother.

1189
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:04,400
Speaker 1: They so maybe that'll change after people watched watched us.

1190
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:05,360
Speaker 2: I doubt it.

1191
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:10,760
Speaker 1: Fish being that rivers just before the dinosaurs, nobody been

1192
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:12,120
Speaker 1: eating their eggs and they are gonna be in their

1193
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:12,520
Speaker 1: eggs now.

1194
01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:14,600
Speaker 5: I don't know if this will be the catalyst for

1195
01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:16,080
Speaker 5: cultural change.

1196
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:19,320
Speaker 1: Remember when we started eating it?

1197
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:22,520
Speaker 2: Well, that's true, it's all good. That's good, man.

1198
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:26,440
Speaker 1: Now I could eat that sturgeon. Caviar was a lot

1199
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:30,560
Speaker 1: better processing though, I don't know, it was a lot better.

1200
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:32,040
Speaker 1: I'd say, I like.

1201
01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:33,040
Speaker 2: Both of them.

1202
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:35,960
Speaker 3: You gotta taste for fish though.

1203
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:37,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love fish. I eat fish every day.

1204
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:44,320
Speaker 1: Well, hey, that that was really interesting. Dad, You didn't know.

1205
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 1: I didn't talk to you at all about this story.

1206
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:48,800
Speaker 1: You wouldn't have even known we were doing it. You

1207
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:52,320
Speaker 1: listened to both episodes? What was the most the coolest

1208
01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:53,280
Speaker 1: thing that you learned?

1209
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:55,320
Speaker 2: Rainbow Rock?

1210
01:03:57,040 --> 01:03:58,680
Speaker 1: Who is this guy's parents?

1211
01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:02,960
Speaker 6: Man, he's got such a great story and he starts

1212
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:04,440
Speaker 6: it with Rambow and it ends it.

1213
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:09,760
Speaker 4: I gotta be honest. I listened to it when it

1214
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:14,960
Speaker 4: would come out. I thought, where's he going? It was

1215
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:15,360
Speaker 4: all good?

1216
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:16,600
Speaker 2: It was all it was good.

1217
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:18,000
Speaker 4: It was all good.

1218
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:21,080
Speaker 1: But uh, you know, just just the fish.

1219
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:24,919
Speaker 6: I mean, it's ancient, you know, and you look at

1220
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:27,800
Speaker 6: it and you just think, Man, this mistake, God, monkey

1221
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:28,600
Speaker 6: up here somehow.

1222
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:30,080
Speaker 1: I look at this thing still here?

1223
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:31,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's still here.

1224
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:31,600
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1225
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:34,960
Speaker 6: I mean, it's just just the strangest thing I'd ever seen.

1226
01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:36,800
Speaker 3: It's pretty cool to think of a fish that you

1227
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:40,120
Speaker 3: could find fossilized that's still floating in the river.

1228
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:45,160
Speaker 4: That's you know, yeah, yeah yeah. And the like we

1229
01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:49,800
Speaker 4: were talking earlier, they're extremely tough. They go through those

1230
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:54,200
Speaker 4: floodgates that blow Pensacola and down at Hudson and down

1231
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:57,440
Speaker 4: at Fort Gibson, all in that system, and they go

1232
01:04:57,640 --> 01:04:59,960
Speaker 4: through some of those floodgates in a big floody vent

1233
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:02,600
Speaker 4: and they come out of there with the rosstum's broken

1234
01:05:02,680 --> 01:05:08,280
Speaker 4: off and the heel up. It's not uncommon in Hudson Lake,

1235
01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:11,320
Speaker 4: which is the lake just downstream from Grand Lake to

1236
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 4: catch fish that don't have rostrums.

1237
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:16,640
Speaker 2: Really, what is their main what's the main thing that

1238
01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:17,480
Speaker 2: they eat?

1239
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:18,240
Speaker 4: Plankton?

1240
01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:21,320
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, all all, why are we catching them?

1241
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:21,760
Speaker 1: Somebody?

1242
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:24,959
Speaker 2: No, here's the here's the question. I mean, here's the deal,

1243
01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:28,080
Speaker 2: you know, on mining and bears little adventure we went on.

1244
01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:31,120
Speaker 2: Guy we was with said, don't be surprised if we

1245
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:33,920
Speaker 2: don't catch some on the limb line.

1246
01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:37,320
Speaker 4: Oh really yeah, and I think it'd be accident if

1247
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:40,760
Speaker 4: you did. I mean, they would accidentally snag themselves. A

1248
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:43,960
Speaker 4: popular way in Grand Lake, uh, in the pattlement still

1249
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:47,640
Speaker 4: is is to use snaglines, which is a trot line,

1250
01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:50,840
Speaker 4: you know, tite line across the bottom with hooks set

1251
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:54,280
Speaker 4: just so far apart and the hooks tied on in

1252
01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:56,440
Speaker 4: such a way that they turned into the fish. That

1253
01:05:56,520 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 4: was a popular way to catch battlefish. They'd snag on them.

1254
01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:03,720
Speaker 4: They accidentally swimming to the hook and get caught. But

1255
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:05,480
Speaker 4: they're not going to eat that bait whatever it is

1256
01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:06,160
Speaker 4: you got on there.

1257
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:10,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, ten four. But they do.

1258
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:12,640
Speaker 4: They do accidentally get caught on jug lines a lot.

1259
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:16,080
Speaker 4: You know, people jug line a lot. It's not uncommon

1260
01:06:16,120 --> 01:06:18,720
Speaker 4: to see it. But they're getting accidentally hooked.

1261
01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:22,280
Speaker 5: They're just they're just a unique species. I mean, if

1262
01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:25,680
Speaker 5: you've never you know, everybody out there listening, if you've

1263
01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:27,240
Speaker 5: never caught a paddlefish, you know, it's one of those

1264
01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:29,800
Speaker 5: experiences like you got to go do this once. Yeah,

1265
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:32,680
Speaker 5: you know, so yeah, come to northeast Oklahoma, and that's

1266
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:33,160
Speaker 5: where they're at.

1267
01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:35,840
Speaker 4: If we haven't people to come on, oh yeah, yeah,

1268
01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:38,800
Speaker 4: and if we haven't made it exactly clear. You don't

1269
01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:40,920
Speaker 4: catch them with the with a hook and the line,

1270
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:43,400
Speaker 4: I mean a hook and a bait. You do catch

1271
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:45,880
Speaker 4: them with a hooking line, but you they're snagged right

1272
01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:47,120
Speaker 4: by dragging. Dragging.

1273
01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:50,480
Speaker 1: We actually didn't talk about that much at all. Uh yeah, So,

1274
01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:53,200
Speaker 1: I mean guys are using really heavy duty tackle.

1275
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:59,439
Speaker 4: Using big tackle. Big surf frauds a minimum of forty

1276
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:02,040
Speaker 4: fifty pound test A lot of a lot of them

1277
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:05,680
Speaker 4: now use a braided line, which is even tougher, and

1278
01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:09,680
Speaker 4: you use anywhere from if you're bank fishing, you're using

1279
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:13,040
Speaker 4: a four to five ounce weight, if you're if you're

1280
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:17,120
Speaker 4: trolling for them in a boat, they use one pound weights. Wow. Yeah,

1281
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:21,360
Speaker 4: but they're not throwing in. Somebody figured out that if

1282
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:23,560
Speaker 4: you troll at about four or five miles an hour

1283
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:26,360
Speaker 4: and just drag that hook behind the boat, you can

1284
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:27,520
Speaker 4: catch all the fish you want.

1285
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:28,480
Speaker 2: And they do.

1286
01:07:29,040 --> 01:07:31,160
Speaker 5: They target them with life scope and stuff like that.

1287
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:33,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're using a big treble hook.

1288
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:38,440
Speaker 4: Using a big treble hook in Oklahoma. That barblous and

1289
01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:41,440
Speaker 4: then that came with the catch and release. So, like

1290
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:46,080
Speaker 4: you know we talked about in in maybe in episode one. Uh,

1291
01:07:46,120 --> 01:07:49,000
Speaker 4: there's been a progression of rule changes, and every time

1292
01:07:49,640 --> 01:07:51,680
Speaker 4: somebody thought they had it figured out, well, let's tweak

1293
01:07:51,720 --> 01:07:55,360
Speaker 4: it this way and tweak it this way. And I

1294
01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:59,520
Speaker 4: found out that that people just really like fishing for them.

1295
01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:02,360
Speaker 4: Keep the fish wasn't necessarily that big of a deal.

1296
01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:04,160
Speaker 4: A lot of people do like them, a lot of people,

1297
01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:06,880
Speaker 4: a lot of people eat them. But catching release, man,

1298
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:09,800
Speaker 4: people just eat eat that up. So made it where

1299
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:12,000
Speaker 4: you could catch or release all you want. You can

1300
01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:15,760
Speaker 4: only keep two fish for the year. You know, there

1301
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:17,639
Speaker 4: was a period of time where you couldn't keep fish

1302
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:23,400
Speaker 4: on Mondays and Fridays and uh, and that was controversial,

1303
01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:25,760
Speaker 4: a lot of people scratching their head. But what come

1304
01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:28,240
Speaker 4: out of a lot of our research and the fact

1305
01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:30,479
Speaker 4: that people had to have a paddlefish permit, So we

1306
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:33,439
Speaker 4: had lots of non residents coming in and I'm not

1307
01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:35,880
Speaker 4: even talking about Eastern Europeans right here. We had lots

1308
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:38,200
Speaker 4: of non residents coming in where you could possess what

1309
01:08:38,320 --> 01:08:41,160
Speaker 4: was it, two days limits or three days limits. You

1310
01:08:41,200 --> 01:08:43,880
Speaker 4: could possess that many fish where they were leaving here

1311
01:08:44,360 --> 01:08:48,040
Speaker 4: with a lot of fish, and they were supplying fish

1312
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:53,800
Speaker 4: fries for everybody legally, legally, and and so with the

1313
01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:58,560
Speaker 4: you know, local people, residents were complaining about that a

1314
01:08:58,600 --> 01:08:59,040
Speaker 4: little bit.

1315
01:08:59,280 --> 01:09:03,480
Speaker 3: All the lot just deleting.

1316
01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:06,080
Speaker 4: Lots of non residents showing up and and taking back

1317
01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:11,200
Speaker 4: a lot of fish. So those non residents were showing

1318
01:09:11,280 --> 01:09:13,639
Speaker 4: up on a weekend. Well, that so made it where

1319
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:17,120
Speaker 4: you couldn't keep fish on Mondays and Fridays. That way

1320
01:09:17,280 --> 01:09:18,080
Speaker 4: they were only.

1321
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:19,840
Speaker 1: Took it took a two days of a four day

1322
01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:21,120
Speaker 1: weekend and people came.

1323
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:24,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it took two days out of it, and

1324
01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:26,320
Speaker 4: and that limited the number of fish that they were

1325
01:09:26,360 --> 01:09:29,400
Speaker 4: able to take back home with them. But now that's

1326
01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:33,200
Speaker 4: that's a moot point. Now now you can uh keep

1327
01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:35,960
Speaker 4: fish on Mondays, but you can only keep one a day,

1328
01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:38,120
Speaker 4: two for the year, two for the year.

1329
01:09:38,360 --> 01:09:39,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, hm hmm.

1330
01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:42,559
Speaker 4: And that's worked for most people because like I said,

1331
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:44,040
Speaker 4: most people just want to catch and release.

1332
01:09:44,320 --> 01:09:48,680
Speaker 5: They just liked the picture.

1333
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:51,160
Speaker 4: They want that, they want that fight, and then when

1334
01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:53,200
Speaker 4: they get it to the bank, they admire it and

1335
01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:53,960
Speaker 4: they turn it loose.

1336
01:09:54,240 --> 01:09:58,040
Speaker 2: What about the paddlefish now compared to when you went

1337
01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:00,400
Speaker 2: to work. Is it in better shape you? Yes?

1338
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:06,160
Speaker 4: Yes, like Brandon Brown or fisheries boys talked about thirty

1339
01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:08,720
Speaker 4: forty thirty years ago. So when I moved back to

1340
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:13,040
Speaker 4: eastern Oklahoma from Western Oklahoma, the Wildlife Department was just

1341
01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:16,639
Speaker 4: now starting to reintroduce paddlefish into some of their historic

1342
01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:21,160
Speaker 4: range where because of dams and certain situations they have

1343
01:10:21,280 --> 01:10:26,280
Speaker 4: been removed and now those places have come online. Uligall

1344
01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:29,280
Speaker 4: Lake is there's now guides that are guiding for paddlefish

1345
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:33,800
Speaker 4: on Uligo Lake. Lots of paddlefish in Ulugaul Lake, Keystone Lake,

1346
01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:37,160
Speaker 4: Call Lake, Fort Gibson Lake has always been there, but

1347
01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:42,599
Speaker 4: it's even better Grand Lake. You fall the lake. There's

1348
01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:43,639
Speaker 4: paddlefish everywhere.

1349
01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:44,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1350
01:10:44,040 --> 01:10:46,040
Speaker 1: Do you know how many fish they're tagging every year

1351
01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:46,639
Speaker 1: in Oklahoma?

1352
01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:47,760
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't.

1353
01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:48,599
Speaker 5: We could find that out.

1354
01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:51,879
Speaker 1: I mean, would it be like fifty thousand fish?

1355
01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:53,080
Speaker 5: I don't know what the number is.

1356
01:10:54,080 --> 01:10:57,840
Speaker 4: They are fisheries people do netting surveys every winter and

1357
01:10:58,160 --> 01:11:01,679
Speaker 4: they kind of hop scotch around to different lakes. Lakes

1358
01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:04,000
Speaker 4: are on a schedule. You know, they're not doing the

1359
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:06,720
Speaker 4: same lake every year. With the exception maybe a Grand Lake.

1360
01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:10,920
Speaker 4: I don't know that, remember that exactly. But out of

1361
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:12,960
Speaker 4: so many of those fish that they catch, they tag

1362
01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:15,240
Speaker 4: some of them.

1363
01:11:15,160 --> 01:11:17,880
Speaker 1: So they're able to kind of track like how many

1364
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:20,240
Speaker 1: are getting caught, and they might be like, we tagged

1365
01:11:20,280 --> 01:11:22,360
Speaker 1: three hundred fish in this lake and yeah, two of

1366
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:23,040
Speaker 1: them got caught.

1367
01:11:23,080 --> 01:11:27,200
Speaker 4: I think they even they even they even put that, uh, well,

1368
01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:30,960
Speaker 4: there's radio chips in some of them, interesting and that

1369
01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:34,479
Speaker 4: you run the scanner over and and uh. But they

1370
01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:37,240
Speaker 4: get able to get more, they get GPS dat out

1371
01:11:37,280 --> 01:11:40,559
Speaker 4: of those, you know, tell where the fish went? Now?

1372
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:41,240
Speaker 4: Where they being?

1373
01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:44,240
Speaker 1: One thing I didn't, I just wasn't. We weren't able

1374
01:11:44,280 --> 01:11:46,920
Speaker 1: to get into it with with the fish biologists. But

1375
01:11:47,479 --> 01:11:51,280
Speaker 1: paddlefish and other parts of the Mississippi drainage are struggling

1376
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:54,320
Speaker 1: for the am I right. I mean like there's a

1377
01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:56,880
Speaker 1: lot of places where they're they're not doing as well.

1378
01:11:57,479 --> 01:11:59,519
Speaker 1: Why are they doing so well in Oklahoma but not

1379
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:01,320
Speaker 1: as well in other places.

1380
01:12:02,479 --> 01:12:03,880
Speaker 4: I'm going to go out on a limb here and

1381
01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:08,719
Speaker 4: this is just my opinion just because of no commercial fishing.

1382
01:12:09,479 --> 01:12:16,040
Speaker 4: Oh really yeah, because now, unlike years ago, now paddlefish

1383
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:19,680
Speaker 4: are targeted I see by commercial fishermen because of the

1384
01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:24,160
Speaker 4: caviar m we're we're back in the day they weren't.

1385
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:30,160
Speaker 4: That's my opinion. I got no, it's anecdotal, but it's

1386
01:12:30,200 --> 01:12:32,320
Speaker 4: because we don't we don't commercial fishing.

1387
01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:34,639
Speaker 5: Yeah, throughout the years, we've learned a lot as far

1388
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:38,040
Speaker 5: as you know, highly regulating the take throughout the years,

1389
01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:41,400
Speaker 5: kind of kind of manipulating it along the way. I

1390
01:12:41,400 --> 01:12:43,559
Speaker 5: think that probably has something to do with it as well.

1391
01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:46,280
Speaker 4: You know, over over the course of a decade there,

1392
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:49,599
Speaker 4: every year we were changing the paddle fish rules because

1393
01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:53,040
Speaker 4: every year we dialed in just getting it dialed in. Now,

1394
01:12:53,080 --> 01:12:55,479
Speaker 4: it was a big jump to dial it into just

1395
01:12:55,479 --> 01:12:59,479
Speaker 4: two fish for the year, But our fisheries biologists thought

1396
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:00,960
Speaker 4: that was the right thing to do, and I think

1397
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:03,800
Speaker 4: probably they were right. Most people just want to catch

1398
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:06,840
Speaker 4: and release them. Yeah, it's a big tourist thing. There's

1399
01:13:06,920 --> 01:13:09,920
Speaker 4: people come. It's kind of I think maybe it's died off,

1400
01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:13,560
Speaker 4: maybe just a little bit. But uh, just five or

1401
01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:18,479
Speaker 4: six years ago, ten years ago, especially, man, it was popular.

1402
01:13:18,680 --> 01:13:22,720
Speaker 4: There's just people just going crazy for poddlefish, you know,

1403
01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:26,160
Speaker 4: fishing for them, and it may have died off a

1404
01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:29,120
Speaker 4: little bit, uh, but it's still it's still going strong

1405
01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:32,120
Speaker 4: and uh, people just like to catch them with real men.

1406
01:13:32,280 --> 01:13:33,920
Speaker 4: Let them go, take pictures, let them go.

1407
01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:37,759
Speaker 1: You know in the in the in the hunting world

1408
01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:41,400
Speaker 1: and aurel as we're talking about fishing in the honting world,

1409
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:44,280
Speaker 1: there's there's a lot of people not mappen, not a lot.

1410
01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:47,160
Speaker 1: I think it's a small group of people that speak

1411
01:13:47,240 --> 01:13:54,800
Speaker 1: negatively about uh, like recruiting people to come to a

1412
01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:58,639
Speaker 1: specific state for a specific reason. You know, they're they're

1413
01:13:58,720 --> 01:14:03,479
Speaker 1: like burning, yes, spot burning, or like like if if

1414
01:14:03,479 --> 01:14:06,559
Speaker 1: we'd been talking about deer hunting, like I wouldn't have

1415
01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:10,479
Speaker 1: I would have bleeped out or not put in like

1416
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:17,120
Speaker 1: specific lakes and different stuff. But but but it feels

1417
01:14:17,160 --> 01:14:21,040
Speaker 1: like as an agency, like you're wanting people to come

1418
01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:23,840
Speaker 1: fish in Oklahoma, would you say that's absolutely?

1419
01:14:23,960 --> 01:14:24,680
Speaker 2: Absolutely?

1420
01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:29,240
Speaker 5: You know, the Wildlife Department is funded mainly by the

1421
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:32,519
Speaker 5: sale of hunting and fishing licenses. You know, if if

1422
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:34,760
Speaker 5: we didn't want people to come hunting fish, I mean

1423
01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:37,200
Speaker 5: we're just we're basically unfunded.

1424
01:14:37,400 --> 01:14:37,640
Speaker 2: You know.

1425
01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:40,360
Speaker 5: If we want to we want to remain funded, we

1426
01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:42,200
Speaker 5: want to be able to manage the fishing, wildlife in

1427
01:14:42,520 --> 01:14:45,760
Speaker 5: the state, and so hunting and fishing licenses is the

1428
01:14:46,160 --> 01:14:48,880
Speaker 5: backbone of that in Oklahoma. Yes, we want people to

1429
01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:52,040
Speaker 5: come hunting fish in Oklahoma. We want to provide hunting access,

1430
01:14:52,120 --> 01:14:54,800
Speaker 5: we want to provide fishing access. We want our hunting

1431
01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:57,360
Speaker 5: and our fishing to be top notch, and you know,

1432
01:14:57,760 --> 01:15:00,559
Speaker 5: water quality and access and all kinds of stuff like that.

1433
01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:02,080
Speaker 5: It's going to play into it as far as up

1434
01:15:02,120 --> 01:15:04,080
Speaker 5: here in the Northeast, and I think that's why paddlefish

1435
01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:07,200
Speaker 5: are so popular, or at least one reason. But you know,

1436
01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:09,559
Speaker 5: the more folks that we can get to Oklahoma to

1437
01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:12,840
Speaker 5: enjoy what we have to offer, the better. So I mean,

1438
01:15:12,880 --> 01:15:14,479
Speaker 5: I'm sure you're going to have people on both sides

1439
01:15:14,479 --> 01:15:17,800
Speaker 5: of fence on that non residents versus residents and things

1440
01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:18,160
Speaker 5: like that.

1441
01:15:18,240 --> 01:15:22,520
Speaker 4: There's always the struggle between residents and non residents. Yeah,

1442
01:15:22,240 --> 01:15:26,200
Speaker 4: the local guy didn't want his leg called out, but

1443
01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:28,920
Speaker 4: the Walleoute Department's all about it. You know, come and

1444
01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:31,600
Speaker 4: fish lake x y Z.

1445
01:15:32,280 --> 01:15:32,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1446
01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:37,200
Speaker 4: The Walleote Department really really promoted paddlefishing in Oklahoma for

1447
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:40,840
Speaker 4: a long period of time and they were successful in

1448
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:43,280
Speaker 4: getting that word out because it it was a big

1449
01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:46,919
Speaker 4: deal to the point that even from a low enforcemance standpoint,

1450
01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:50,120
Speaker 4: we said, let's let's back off of that just a

1451
01:15:50,120 --> 01:15:54,240
Speaker 4: little bit, you know. And because through through the research,

1452
01:15:54,360 --> 01:15:58,880
Speaker 4: through our pattle fish permit program process, we found that

1453
01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:01,120
Speaker 4: a lot of our fear we're leaving the state and

1454
01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:05,360
Speaker 4: going out of state, not not illegally, but and the

1455
01:16:05,439 --> 01:16:09,920
Speaker 4: residents not that they didn't like it, but they moaned

1456
01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:12,960
Speaker 4: about that a little bit. So so they dialed that

1457
01:16:13,080 --> 01:16:17,280
Speaker 4: back a little bit and and quit promoting it quite

1458
01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:21,280
Speaker 4: so much to slow the takedown just a little bit.

1459
01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:25,360
Speaker 4: And and it helps some because it did slow down

1460
01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:25,840
Speaker 4: a little bit.

1461
01:16:26,240 --> 01:16:30,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's it feels to me like in in uh

1462
01:16:31,120 --> 01:16:38,759
Speaker 1: in our nation where there's so much that's competing with fishing, hunting,

1463
01:16:39,439 --> 01:16:42,840
Speaker 1: outdoor activity, and and to us here where we're at,

1464
01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:47,320
Speaker 1: it doesn't feel like that as as strong. But I mean,

1465
01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:52,360
Speaker 1: so much of America is kind of urbanized and moving

1466
01:16:52,400 --> 01:16:55,040
Speaker 1: away from this stuff. It feels to me like the

1467
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:57,960
Speaker 1: right move is to recruit people to come do this,

1468
01:16:58,160 --> 01:17:00,559
Speaker 1: come hunt, come fish, and and they're are there are

1469
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:03,000
Speaker 1: people that are saying that's the wrong move. It's interesting.

1470
01:17:03,080 --> 01:17:05,160
Speaker 1: I like listening to their arguments. I think they're like

1471
01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:05,880
Speaker 1: dead wrong.

1472
01:17:06,720 --> 01:17:12,880
Speaker 4: Across the United States, most states are losing hunting and

1473
01:17:12,920 --> 01:17:18,639
Speaker 4: fishing participants, and Oklahoma is an exception to that. We're

1474
01:17:18,680 --> 01:17:22,160
Speaker 4: either gaining a little or or holding our own, which

1475
01:17:22,200 --> 01:17:24,280
Speaker 4: is which is an exception to the to the rule.

1476
01:17:24,920 --> 01:17:28,920
Speaker 4: And a lot of that is is they just really

1477
01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:33,040
Speaker 4: promote uh, you know, everybody, we wanted to come and

1478
01:17:33,240 --> 01:17:37,080
Speaker 4: fish Oklahoma because Oklahoma is okay.

1479
01:17:38,640 --> 01:17:42,520
Speaker 1: And Oklahoma has increased their non resident.

1480
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:47,400
Speaker 4: I was awaiting, been a long time.

1481
01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:51,639
Speaker 1: Every right to do it. Man, Like I've talked to

1482
01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:55,519
Speaker 1: our people here in Arkansas. It's like, charge the heck

1483
01:17:55,560 --> 01:17:57,960
Speaker 1: out of them if they're come. I mean, I think

1484
01:17:58,040 --> 01:17:59,800
Speaker 1: residents should be given priority.

1485
01:18:00,040 --> 01:18:00,280
Speaker 4: I do.

1486
01:18:00,520 --> 01:18:01,080
Speaker 2: I don't care.

1487
01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:03,639
Speaker 1: It's just you know what to speak of a priority.

1488
01:18:03,680 --> 01:18:05,200
Speaker 1: And if I want to come hunt in your state,

1489
01:18:05,240 --> 01:18:07,559
Speaker 1: I don't pay taxes, I don't shop there, I don't

1490
01:18:07,640 --> 01:18:09,360
Speaker 1: drive on those roads.

1491
01:18:09,400 --> 01:18:11,600
Speaker 4: All the time I've been on the other I'm on

1492
01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:14,040
Speaker 4: the other end of it too, just like y'all are too.

1493
01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:16,280
Speaker 4: You try to go to Colorado and an elk and

1494
01:18:16,280 --> 01:18:18,640
Speaker 4: an ELK classes is eight hundred and some dollars and

1495
01:18:18,720 --> 01:18:23,559
Speaker 4: a resident's paying fifty. Yeah, it's hard to stomach that yeah.

1496
01:18:23,680 --> 01:18:26,920
Speaker 4: So I'm like, I can see both sides of it. Yeah,

1497
01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:29,479
Speaker 4: but yeah we did.

1498
01:18:29,560 --> 01:18:33,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's there's definitely two sides of it. But but

1499
01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:36,920
Speaker 1: I don't if I want to go to somebody else's state,

1500
01:18:37,680 --> 01:18:40,080
Speaker 1: I just got to be willing to sacrifice to do it,

1501
01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:44,200
Speaker 1: because if you come into my state and hunt my places,

1502
01:18:44,360 --> 01:18:47,760
Speaker 1: my you know, my public land spots, I want you

1503
01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:49,719
Speaker 1: to sacrifice it too. That's just the way I feel

1504
01:18:49,720 --> 01:18:52,519
Speaker 1: about you. And I don't think that's an inhibition. I mean,

1505
01:18:52,560 --> 01:18:55,280
Speaker 1: we could just make it free and say well anybody

1506
01:18:55,320 --> 01:18:58,120
Speaker 1: can go anywhere and there's no money involved. I mean,

1507
01:18:58,200 --> 01:18:59,040
Speaker 1: that wouldn't work.

1508
01:19:00,040 --> 01:19:01,679
Speaker 2: And then we lost all the bus and so.

1509
01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:04,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, good point, good point.

1510
01:19:04,200 --> 01:19:04,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1511
01:19:04,920 --> 01:19:09,000
Speaker 1: Well, hey, I just want to say, uh, thanks to

1512
01:19:09,200 --> 01:19:14,120
Speaker 1: Austin Jackson. Austin called me months ago, months ago, I

1513
01:19:14,120 --> 01:19:19,519
Speaker 1: mean probably nine months ago, and he he said, hey,

1514
01:19:19,640 --> 01:19:22,360
Speaker 1: I think this is really good story. And people do

1515
01:19:22,439 --> 01:19:27,519
Speaker 1: that to me often and and honestly it rarely works out.

1516
01:19:29,160 --> 01:19:32,920
Speaker 1: He gave me a sales pitch that was good. He said,

1517
01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:35,120
Speaker 1: he did all the things I needed. He said, I've

1518
01:19:35,160 --> 01:19:37,519
Speaker 1: got the people, he said, I got him lined up.

1519
01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:40,200
Speaker 1: This is a story you should tell, you know, he

1520
01:19:40,240 --> 01:19:41,640
Speaker 1: gave me kind of the highlights.

1521
01:19:42,120 --> 01:19:45,559
Speaker 4: He made lie to you a little bit. I think

1522
01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:47,920
Speaker 4: he talked to you before he got everybody lined up,

1523
01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:51,880
Speaker 4: because he called me one evening. He goes, he said, hey,

1524
01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:53,960
Speaker 4: I threw you under the bus a little bit. I said,

1525
01:19:53,960 --> 01:19:56,479
Speaker 4: what do you do? He goes, do you know clayon nukeomb?

1526
01:19:56,479 --> 01:19:57,560
Speaker 4: I said, I don't know him, but I don't know

1527
01:19:57,600 --> 01:20:00,320
Speaker 4: who he is. He goes, well, would you be willing

1528
01:20:00,320 --> 01:20:03,040
Speaker 4: to sit down and do a podcast on Russian snag?

1529
01:20:03,080 --> 01:20:04,880
Speaker 4: And I said, well, yeah, that'll be fine.

1530
01:20:04,960 --> 01:20:07,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, he'll be there on Tuesday.

1531
01:20:08,120 --> 01:20:09,840
Speaker 4: Well, you know, and you know, I don't know how

1532
01:20:09,880 --> 01:20:11,479
Speaker 4: much time much time we got left. But that's a

1533
01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:13,519
Speaker 4: story too, because when I met you all over there,

1534
01:20:13,960 --> 01:20:16,439
Speaker 4: I still think we're in the planning process, you know.

1535
01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:18,880
Speaker 4: And I show up with you guys over there, and

1536
01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:21,920
Speaker 4: you put these headphones on me and let's go, let's go.

1537
01:20:22,720 --> 01:20:25,360
Speaker 4: Wait a minute. I'm not really prepared for all of this,

1538
01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:27,960
Speaker 4: but it turned out. But it turned out great.

1539
01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:29,120
Speaker 2: Job.

1540
01:20:30,840 --> 01:20:34,080
Speaker 1: If I can, you make your time, take your time.

1541
01:20:34,280 --> 01:20:37,960
Speaker 4: So my whole worry about this whole process was about

1542
01:20:37,960 --> 01:20:40,640
Speaker 4: me coming off. I'm the one telling the story and

1543
01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:44,040
Speaker 4: you're telling it for me. But my my worry was

1544
01:20:44,040 --> 01:20:46,080
Speaker 4: that I would come, it would come across as as

1545
01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:50,120
Speaker 4: me doing all this work. So I've got to I've

1546
01:20:50,120 --> 01:20:53,200
Speaker 4: got to, I've got to throw the props out. Joe

1547
01:20:54,200 --> 01:20:56,800
Speaker 4: was a big part of that. All I all I

1548
01:20:56,840 --> 01:21:00,760
Speaker 4: did was facilitate and make sure everybody knew what was

1549
01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:04,200
Speaker 4: going on and had what they needed. Joe and the

1550
01:21:04,240 --> 01:21:10,280
Speaker 4: game warding in Mace County, Monty Reid probably somebody you

1551
01:21:10,280 --> 01:21:12,760
Speaker 4: should have talked to. He knew them all by name.

1552
01:21:12,960 --> 01:21:15,519
Speaker 4: He knew all their kids, he knew all their grand babies,

1553
01:21:15,920 --> 01:21:18,800
Speaker 4: and if they showed up on the river, he knew it.

1554
01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:24,160
Speaker 4: He worked tireshly. Breck Henry was the supervisor in that area,

1555
01:21:24,720 --> 01:21:28,840
Speaker 4: worked tiresly. Jim Gillen was another game warden. We brought

1556
01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:31,280
Speaker 4: game wardens from all over the state. We couldn't work

1557
01:21:31,320 --> 01:21:34,000
Speaker 4: it because everybody knew us. It just took one day

1558
01:21:34,040 --> 01:21:36,599
Speaker 4: for everybody getting on, you know, over there. So we

1559
01:21:36,600 --> 01:21:39,400
Speaker 4: were bringing people in from the panhand on from southwest

1560
01:21:39,439 --> 01:21:41,920
Speaker 4: Oklahoma to come over there and be our eyes and

1561
01:21:41,960 --> 01:21:44,680
Speaker 4: ears because they could go down and seemingly fish with

1562
01:21:44,720 --> 01:21:47,519
Speaker 4: them and at least just watch them. It was such

1563
01:21:47,840 --> 01:21:51,479
Speaker 4: a big group effort that I didn't. I just had

1564
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:55,200
Speaker 4: to take a minute and drop some names there because

1565
01:21:55,360 --> 01:21:58,240
Speaker 4: they had a lot beer rolling it. And then actually

1566
01:21:58,280 --> 01:22:00,599
Speaker 4: I did. All I'm doing is just tell the story.

1567
01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:02,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was a team effort for sure. I mean,

1568
01:22:02,680 --> 01:22:04,479
Speaker 5: there's only one hundred and eighteen of us across the

1569
01:22:04,640 --> 01:22:07,760
Speaker 5: entire state, and at one point or another, everybody had

1570
01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:10,360
Speaker 5: an opportunity to come to northeast Oklahoma and work baddlefish.

1571
01:22:10,479 --> 01:22:13,320
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, and and to their benefit, a lot of

1572
01:22:13,320 --> 01:22:16,280
Speaker 4: them wanted to yea, you know, from from other parts

1573
01:22:16,280 --> 01:22:19,040
Speaker 4: of the state, and oh, they just ate it up.

1574
01:22:20,360 --> 01:22:23,400
Speaker 4: There's a female officer that that worked at Grove at

1575
01:22:23,400 --> 01:22:25,760
Speaker 4: the time. Her name is Marnie Loftus. She's now a

1576
01:22:25,800 --> 01:22:29,200
Speaker 4: district captain in Oklahoma City. She is the one that

1577
01:22:29,360 --> 01:22:31,360
Speaker 4: got our foot in the door with a lot of

1578
01:22:31,360 --> 01:22:34,920
Speaker 4: these She worked under cover and we've got pictures of

1579
01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:38,360
Speaker 4: her and boats with the Russians just snagging away and

1580
01:22:39,160 --> 01:22:41,840
Speaker 4: she she opened the door on a lot of the

1581
01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:46,280
Speaker 4: investigations that we had going on. Just just outstanding job.

1582
01:22:46,920 --> 01:22:49,400
Speaker 4: You need to, you know, shout out to her for

1583
01:22:50,080 --> 01:22:52,679
Speaker 4: what she did. But it was it was just such

1584
01:22:52,720 --> 01:22:55,679
Speaker 4: a group effort. We had a blessing from the from

1585
01:22:55,720 --> 01:23:00,000
Speaker 4: the top down. The only negative if there was a negative.

1586
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:03,320
Speaker 4: He was as like I talked about, we were letting

1587
01:23:03,360 --> 01:23:05,760
Speaker 4: all these eggs go out of state and following them

1588
01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:09,080
Speaker 4: and stuff and had some success, and but we weren't

1589
01:23:09,080 --> 01:23:12,040
Speaker 4: having the success that we thought we we needed. And

1590
01:23:12,280 --> 01:23:13,960
Speaker 4: finally my boss says, how long are you gonna let

1591
01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:16,320
Speaker 4: this go on? You know, when you're gonnaut, when you're

1592
01:23:16,360 --> 01:23:19,840
Speaker 4: gonna stop it. That's a good question. But I took

1593
01:23:19,880 --> 01:23:22,439
Speaker 4: that for the way he meant it, and we stopped it,

1594
01:23:23,040 --> 01:23:27,400
Speaker 4: and we started arresting them and taking their stuff. And

1595
01:23:27,439 --> 01:23:29,880
Speaker 4: I think it's like Cody told you last time. He

1596
01:23:29,920 --> 01:23:31,679
Speaker 4: said he talked to one of them, and they said,

1597
01:23:32,040 --> 01:23:34,960
Speaker 4: Cody asked himself, well, why did y'all stop? Because y'all

1598
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:37,880
Speaker 4: made it too hard on us, And through some legislative

1599
01:23:37,960 --> 01:23:42,280
Speaker 4: change and through taking a lot of their stuff, we

1600
01:23:42,479 --> 01:23:44,680
Speaker 4: made it hard on them. And they I don't know

1601
01:23:44,720 --> 01:23:47,479
Speaker 4: that they stopped. They sure changed the way they's doing it.

1602
01:23:47,680 --> 01:23:53,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but job, Yeah, for real, it's an incredible story.

1603
01:23:53,640 --> 01:23:56,960
Speaker 1: And uh and and I'll say on behalf of you

1604
01:23:57,080 --> 01:24:01,320
Speaker 1: and and Keith and and everybody. Yeah, sometimes when you

1605
01:24:01,320 --> 01:24:03,240
Speaker 1: tell these stories, like we just kind of swoop in

1606
01:24:03,360 --> 01:24:05,920
Speaker 1: and like learn this story really quick, and we kind

1607
01:24:05,920 --> 01:24:07,920
Speaker 1: of have to focus on the people that are in

1608
01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:10,639
Speaker 1: front of us, and you go. And people didn't hear

1609
01:24:10,680 --> 01:24:14,799
Speaker 1: the whole the whole interview. They hurt heard probably forty

1610
01:24:14,840 --> 01:24:17,200
Speaker 1: percent of the interviews with both of you, and both

1611
01:24:17,240 --> 01:24:20,280
Speaker 1: of you guys were very given credit to to other

1612
01:24:20,320 --> 01:24:23,600
Speaker 1: people that sometimes it was hard to put into the podcast.

1613
01:24:23,640 --> 01:24:26,040
Speaker 1: So I mean, like it, I didn't feel in any

1614
01:24:26,040 --> 01:24:30,040
Speaker 1: way that I mean, you guys were that was.

1615
01:24:30,560 --> 01:24:34,160
Speaker 4: That was my only concern and apprehension if there was

1616
01:24:34,360 --> 01:24:37,640
Speaker 4: I've never done this before in this format. But but

1617
01:24:37,920 --> 01:24:41,160
Speaker 4: the one thing that did worry me was coming across

1618
01:24:41,320 --> 01:24:44,120
Speaker 4: it was the Jeff Brown Show. And it's absolutely not

1619
01:24:46,280 --> 01:24:49,439
Speaker 4: there was one hundred and eight guys and girls that

1620
01:24:49,439 --> 01:24:52,280
Speaker 4: that participated in it. I'm just the one telling the story.

1621
01:24:52,600 --> 01:24:57,040
Speaker 1: Well awesome, Yeah, you know, I think you're a hero.

1622
01:24:57,160 --> 01:24:59,360
Speaker 1: I think Joe you're a hero. I think Keith's a hero,

1623
01:24:59,640 --> 01:25:02,759
Speaker 1: and that that's the story that I want to tell people.

1624
01:25:02,920 --> 01:25:06,120
Speaker 1: You know, and man, the work that you guys do,

1625
01:25:06,720 --> 01:25:11,240
Speaker 1: it's pretty cool that we as a society really have

1626
01:25:11,439 --> 01:25:14,920
Speaker 1: chosen to protect wildlife to the degree that we do,

1627
01:25:15,479 --> 01:25:17,679
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, we got guys twenty four hours

1628
01:25:17,680 --> 01:25:19,360
Speaker 1: a day, three hundred and sixty five days a year,

1629
01:25:19,400 --> 01:25:22,080
Speaker 1: putting their life on the line protecting wildlife. And it

1630
01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:25,479
Speaker 1: shows the cultural value that we have as a people

1631
01:25:25,680 --> 01:25:30,760
Speaker 1: for these fish, this wildlife. And you know, I also

1632
01:25:30,920 --> 01:25:34,760
Speaker 1: want to give credit to just the Oklahoma Department of

1633
01:25:35,320 --> 01:25:39,599
Speaker 1: Wildlife in their willingness to even let you guys share

1634
01:25:39,640 --> 01:25:43,800
Speaker 1: this story. I think it's a mistake to hide some

1635
01:25:43,840 --> 01:25:46,920
Speaker 1: of the stuff. I mean, there's probably some liability, you know,

1636
01:25:47,160 --> 01:25:51,360
Speaker 1: like small liability. I think with agencies letting people like

1637
01:25:51,520 --> 01:25:55,080
Speaker 1: talk and you know, it could have been a bad experience.

1638
01:25:55,120 --> 01:25:58,479
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm a punk and I misconstrue the story. But

1639
01:26:00,120 --> 01:26:04,920
Speaker 1: this stuff translated in a meaningful way to where people

1640
01:26:04,960 --> 01:26:08,000
Speaker 1: can actually understand it. You know, they listen for two

1641
01:26:08,080 --> 01:26:12,000
Speaker 1: hours and understand. I mean, I think it's worth the risk,

1642
01:26:12,600 --> 01:26:15,880
Speaker 1: Like because there is risk, there's there's there's risk in

1643
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:19,960
Speaker 1: telling these stories. But man, I think in today's world,

1644
01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:22,960
Speaker 1: with all the technology, all the communication, all the fast

1645
01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:26,920
Speaker 1: paced nature of society, I think agencies would do well

1646
01:26:26,960 --> 01:26:29,320
Speaker 1: to even cooperate more. And I see that happening in

1647
01:26:29,400 --> 01:26:33,040
Speaker 1: Arkansas with our with our regime here in Arkansas as

1648
01:26:33,080 --> 01:26:35,760
Speaker 1: they're they're trying to stay congruent with the times and

1649
01:26:35,800 --> 01:26:39,280
Speaker 1: the way that people communicate, and it is different. I mean,

1650
01:26:39,320 --> 01:26:40,920
Speaker 1: I think there would have been a time when people

1651
01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:42,559
Speaker 1: would have been like, no, you're not going to talk

1652
01:26:42,600 --> 01:26:46,040
Speaker 1: about that. That's this is out of play. And I

1653
01:26:46,439 --> 01:26:49,040
Speaker 1: just think that's a mistake. And I see Oklahoma doing

1654
01:26:49,080 --> 01:26:51,719
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of great stuff, even down

1655
01:26:51,760 --> 01:26:54,599
Speaker 1: to the simplicity of we talked about the social media

1656
01:26:54,960 --> 01:26:59,400
Speaker 1: how incredible and the Oklahoma Department of Wildlife social media

1657
01:26:59,520 --> 01:27:02,639
Speaker 1: is they're really funny. They had a really good girl,

1658
01:27:03,000 --> 01:27:05,479
Speaker 1: uh doing it that I don't know her, but I

1659
01:27:05,520 --> 01:27:05,880
Speaker 1: see her.

1660
01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:08,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that's Sarah Sutherland.

1661
01:27:08,520 --> 01:27:08,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1662
01:27:08,960 --> 01:27:12,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, she's really done a good.

1663
01:27:13,479 --> 01:27:14,240
Speaker 2: Uh.

1664
01:27:14,439 --> 01:27:18,160
Speaker 4: I don't even know what social media uh platform it's on,

1665
01:27:18,240 --> 01:27:20,160
Speaker 4: but yeah, she she did a good job. I'm not

1666
01:27:20,439 --> 01:27:22,240
Speaker 4: I'm not very social media.

1667
01:27:22,760 --> 01:27:24,839
Speaker 2: Uh savvy savvy.

1668
01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:29,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I trove Facebook ever now and then.

1669
01:27:29,320 --> 01:27:32,200
Speaker 1: But yeah, well so thank you to you guys.

1670
01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:34,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you, absolutely, thank you.

1671
01:27:33,840 --> 01:27:36,360
Speaker 4: Thank you for having us and thank you for doing

1672
01:27:36,400 --> 01:27:39,080
Speaker 4: you know this, This is the main reason Austin wanted

1673
01:27:39,760 --> 01:27:41,880
Speaker 4: reach down. One of this done was to preserve it

1674
01:27:42,200 --> 01:27:46,439
Speaker 4: preserve to preserve the story. So that that and I

1675
01:27:46,479 --> 01:27:49,160
Speaker 4: think I think you did that. So we appreciate that.

1676
01:27:49,360 --> 01:27:51,400
Speaker 5: He wanted to be here today, but he he was

1677
01:27:51,439 --> 01:27:53,280
Speaker 5: teaching an active shooter class today.

1678
01:27:53,560 --> 01:27:59,040
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, he messaged me, well, Brent, Josh,

1679
01:27:59,320 --> 01:28:03,920
Speaker 1: Christian players Plasta exit song, hit it here we go.

1680
01:28:09,280 --> 01:28:11,080
Speaker 5: That's right, Yeah, that's.

1681
01:28:10,920 --> 01:28:13,040
Speaker 2: Where the hair title. What keys are?

1682
01:28:13,120 --> 01:28:15,479
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1683
01:28:16,040 --> 01:28:18,519
Speaker 2: Barbecue.

1684
01:28:19,920 --> 01:28:21,679
Speaker 1: I'm ready to eat some of those fish eggs.

1685
01:28:21,880 --> 01:28:24,160
Speaker 2: I hope y'all leave and leave. I won't take it home.

1686
01:28:25,200 --> 01:28:28,479
Speaker 1: All right, thanks Christian, you got very good, all right,