1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,080 Speaker 1: If you've ever stopped at a railway crossing and the 2 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:04,840 Speaker 1: signals are flashing and you don't see the train, or 3 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: it looks like it's moving slow, and you think maybe 4 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: you could get across the tracks before the train comes. 5 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: Think about this. In two eighteen alone, two hundred and 6 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:17,319 Speaker 1: seventy people were killed at railroad crossings. Two hundred and 7 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: seventy stop trains can't And now Move the Sticks with 8 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. There we go another episode 9 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: and he Moved the Sticks podcast. Ready to Roll with 10 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: Buckey Brooks. I am Rett Lewis in for Daniel Jeremiah 11 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: and here we go. I got a fun, fun episode today, Buck, 12 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:41,200 Speaker 1: because we're gonna get talk to our buddy Bruce Feldman. 13 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 1: Among other things. Bruce is really plugged into all things college, 14 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 1: not only just to collegiate level. He knows what's going 15 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:50,559 Speaker 1: on in the high school level of guys that are 16 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 1: coming and to stuff. So would be great to get 17 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 1: his thoughts on what the college landscape is. And another 18 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: number one quarterback heading to the defending national champion CLI 19 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 1: and so so unbelievable that Clemson is able to kind 20 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:06,679 Speaker 1: of take in everybody these recruiting classes. I can only 21 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: tell you, like witnessing the transformation of Clemson, like having 22 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: played against them in their heyday when Danny Ford was 23 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: there and they were known for running the ball and 24 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: the option, and they've always been kind of built on 25 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: their defense. To now see Clemson really known for the 26 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: offensive talent to Dick collecting and producing, to me is 27 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: one of the uh minor miracles. Yeah. Also five star 28 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 1: running back to Marcus Bowman heading over there as well. 29 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 1: I mean, we'll get it all that with Bruce and 30 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 1: also hit on uh some other college stuff and then 31 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: also have our breakout players under the age of five. 32 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 1: But look, let's get started here because the fifth year 33 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 1: options have come and gone now in the NFL, and 34 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: so um kind of get to formulate our thoughts on that, 35 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 1: and look, as expected, you know, you get Gared Golf, 36 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 1: Carson Wentz, Joey bow Zeke Elliott. Um. Maybe there was 37 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 1: a little intrigue on the Jalen Ramsey thing, but that 38 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: ended up getting picked up. He's too good a player 39 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 1: and all that. So most of the top ten, in fact, 40 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 1: all of the top ten picks that year except for 41 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: Jack Conklin, who did not have his option picked up 42 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: by the Tennessee Titans at Eli Apple. That was kind 43 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 1: of a weird situation, traded from New York to New Orleans, 44 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: ended up playing pretty well for New Orleans, but they 45 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: decided to not pick it up. So um. But the 46 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:30,080 Speaker 1: Jack Conklin one is is really interesting to me because 47 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 1: it's kind of all tied into the Jared Goff trade. 48 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 1: Remember it was the Tennessee Titans that started out number 49 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 1: one that year. They traded back to fifteen with the 50 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 1: Rams and then traded back up from fifteen eight to 51 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: get Conklin. So I mean, you took a lot of 52 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 1: that haul that you not a lot. You took a 53 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: couple of pieces of that hall from the golf train 54 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 1: to move back up into the top ten to get Conklin, 55 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 1: who was a really good player as a rookie. And 56 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: now he's kind of dealt with some injuries and you know, 57 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 1: maybe just haven't quite gotten consistency there that they're one 58 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:03,839 Speaker 1: to feel comfortable about an injury guarantee in the fifth year. Yeah, 59 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 1: I mean, I think really it's it's the injury more 60 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: so than anything else, because when available he has been 61 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 1: a solid player. He was a solid player coming out 62 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 1: of Michigan State, uh plug right in uh contributed to 63 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 1: a team that's gone to the playoffs. Um, it's been 64 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: a solid starter, but the injuries and I think at 65 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 1: this point what you're doing when you're thinking about the 66 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: fifth year option, you're trying to minimize your risk when 67 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 1: you're the team. And so if he plays well, I 68 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 1: would fully expect him to give him up a competitive 69 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: offer before he hit the free agent market. But it's 70 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: one of those things where when you're building the team, 71 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 1: you're trying to kind of weigh the pros and cons, 72 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: especially when you have the looming contract of Marcus Mariota 73 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: potentially hanging out there. Yeah, I mean so, so that's 74 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: the thing they have to prepare in case he plays 75 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: at a level where they have to write a big 76 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 1: check to number eight. And so you just want to 77 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 1: keep your options open so you can make good decisions 78 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 1: at the end of the year. And look, let's just 79 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: you know, keep in mind here that right tackles are 80 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: getting paid eat in the NFL right now, big money, 81 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So, like, so you know, 82 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 1: this is a situation where I think they probably love 83 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 1: to pay him. You know, they probably love to be 84 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: able to do that and to say that we've got 85 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: this guy covered for the next five years. But um, 86 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: you know, maybe if you're willing to risk it, you 87 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: get him at it at a slightly less of a price. No, 88 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 1: I think I think. I think that's something that they 89 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,279 Speaker 1: definitely have to consider. It's one of those things that 90 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:25,720 Speaker 1: I think they've had to have internal discussions about how 91 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: do we want to go about this because the the 92 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: uncertainty about the quarterback clouds d evaluation because you don't 93 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,599 Speaker 1: know how I have to kind of re remark my money, 94 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:38,720 Speaker 1: that's the big I think you're right. I think you're 95 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: right that the Mariota deal plays a ton um into that. Look, 96 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 1: Laramie tunsil Um had his option picked up. Karl Joseph 97 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: was another one, but I think Mike mayex come out 98 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: and said they love to keep Karl around right now. 99 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: But you know, you draft Jonathan Abraham and plays out, 100 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 1: you have to see how it plays out and like 101 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: just too in and out. He's kind of yo yo 102 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 1: Dan and out the line up and stuff like that, 103 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: So you're trying to see is he really a grouting 104 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: guy or is just something that they will move on 105 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 1: from but um, you know, it's tough because when you 106 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 1: have regime changes, it changes everything, especially at general manager, 107 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 1: because it changes the grading skill, the changes what you 108 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: look for, it changes how you've work together. And so 109 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: they had a regime change and a coach change, so 110 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 1: it changes everything. So one coaching staff prefers to have 111 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 1: guys that play a certain way of build a certain way. 112 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: Other coaches staffs, uh look for something that maybe completely opposite. 113 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: And so unfortunately Carl Joseph has kind of been caught 114 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 1: in that transition and we'll see if he can kind 115 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:39,039 Speaker 1: of carve out a little role for himself and this 116 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 1: this new Raider team. I don't think it was any 117 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:45,280 Speaker 1: surprise Shack Lawson, Darren Lee. I mean during LEA was 118 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:48,280 Speaker 1: getting traded for a while. Yeah, those guys haven't necessarily 119 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 1: lived up to expectation when it comes to their production 120 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 1: matching the draft status and where they came into the league, 121 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 1: and so you make those hard decisions going into it. 122 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 1: I think the bigger thing is how do they play 123 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 1: now that they know that they're kind of yeah contract 124 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 1: year right? Um. Darren Lee finished out the last pick 125 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: of the top twenty back in the sixteen draft. Now, 126 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 1: look we can we can group this next group of 127 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: players together because this was a this was a big 128 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 1: receiver draft. In the first round, uh Corey Coleman was 129 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:22,280 Speaker 1: the first to the Cleveland Browns at fifteen overall. Remember 130 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: this was again part of the Carson wentstrade. They traded 131 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 1: down from two to fifth tier two to he didn't 132 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 1: make it. Two years in Cleveland, he didn't and didn't 133 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: make it, I don't know what. Two months in Buffalo 134 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:39,039 Speaker 1: went the Buffalo for now he's in New York now 135 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: and he has a has an opportunity for yeah, and 136 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:46,599 Speaker 1: that's not an option thing that once he got released 137 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:49,160 Speaker 1: and traded and all that, there was no option to 138 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: pick up there. But the next group of guys, thank 139 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: goodness for Will Fuller. Right, he got his picked up 140 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:57,919 Speaker 1: by the Texans. Then he had Josh Dotson, uh not 141 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: picked up by the Redskins. And he had a quand 142 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: Treadwell not picked up by the Vikings and man like 143 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 1: for back to back to back. Remember there was a 144 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 1: running receivers three Uh for me, a couple of I 145 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: mean a few misses in the evaluation. Uh Corey Coleman 146 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: coming out of Baylor uh, DJ and I used to 147 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: joke Guy Rand four routs and yeah, posts go here 148 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 1: in a slant, and that that's all you pretty much 149 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: put on on tape. Josh Dawson and LaQuan trier Will 150 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: um to me, they're kind of the cautionary tales on 151 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 1: the big receiver. Uh. Josh Dawson was a guy that 152 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 1: was a fifty fifty ball specialist. I like the way 153 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: that he played. I like the way that he consistently 154 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 1: one balls uh in tight areas. But in the league, 155 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 1: you have to be able to separate unless you have 156 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: extraordinary physical advantages, meaning you're strong, you have outstanding leaping ability, 157 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 1: you have a knack for being able to do it. 158 00:07:56,680 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins is a guy who is always been able 159 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 1: to win these balls because he has extraordinary hand eye coordination, 160 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: has a basketball background where he kind of knows how 161 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: to use his body. Um, So Josh, I missed on 162 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 1: that with la Kwan. I think la Quan trail Will 163 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 1: is a case of we had heard his name for 164 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: so long being a first round pick, and I think 165 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: we all, even as evaluators, can be prone to buying 166 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 1: into think tank and you kind of hear it. So 167 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: you kind of used to it, and on and on 168 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 1: and on and on and on, And I would say 169 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: it's kind of counter to what we heard with Cleveland Farrell. 170 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 1: If we had heard Cleveland Ferrell tag to the Raiders 171 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:36,719 Speaker 1: or another top five or top ten team, when the 172 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: Raiders took him wouldn't be a big surprise. Whereas with 173 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: La Kwan, we had heard him in mocks and everything 174 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:45,559 Speaker 1: leading up. He's a top receiver. Watch college games with 175 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: popping on. They talked about him being a top receiver, 176 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 1: and I think we gave him a pass for never 177 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: really running a great for it. He did finally running 178 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: this pro day, wasn't exceptional um and then not really 179 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: showing extraordinary traits like what we would always go back 180 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: and say, well, what is this blue trade? If you 181 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 1: look at the film at Old Miss, what is the 182 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:08,559 Speaker 1: one thing that separates him from others? Is the exceptional 183 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 1: run after catch? He wasn't is the exceptional route runner. 184 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: They didn't really run a lot of routs. And and 185 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: at Old Miss, is he a guy that was a 186 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 1: physical freak that just bully people? He wasn't that. So 187 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 1: at some point, and it's a miss on my part, 188 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:24,839 Speaker 1: you have to be able to figure out, how is 189 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: this guy going to carve out a role? And he 190 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 1: wasn't able to do it. And I think this is 191 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 1: the draft that Michael Thomas was in. Uh I went 192 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,679 Speaker 1: to second round. That's I think it sounds about right. 193 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:37,959 Speaker 1: He's the second round pick. Yeah, yeah, no one, no 194 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:42,199 Speaker 1: one that he's mad at us. Yeah, because we gave 195 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: a lot of guys passes that we didn't give him, 196 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:47,839 Speaker 1: and um, it didn't work out. I will say to 197 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 1: his credit, One, he played better than we thought he 198 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: would played. Two, he went to a great system where 199 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:56,199 Speaker 1: Champagne has really used him in a terrific way, putting 200 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:58,199 Speaker 1: him inside, letting to be the big slide receiver, kind 201 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 1: of taking over the markets coasting role. Yeah, he's done 202 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: everything that we thought la Quan Treadwall was gonna do 203 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 1: because they've used him in the slot with Stefon Diggs 204 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 1: and Adam feeling out and he just never worked out, 205 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 1: has not has not worked out. Keep in mind, still 206 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 1: got a shot for it to work out, right there. 207 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: These these guys that didn't get their options picked up 208 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: are still on their teams. You know, they're not released, 209 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 1: They're just they just won't have a fifth year um 210 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:19,839 Speaker 1: as part of their original rookie deal. And um, look, 211 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 1: I'll just finish this up by just staying the bottom 212 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: of the draft in that first round was not impressive. 213 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 1: Josh Garnett, Robert Kimdicy, Vernon Butler, and Jermaine Affetti you 214 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:31,319 Speaker 1: know has played for the Seahawks, but he didn't get 215 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: his option picked up. Okay, So think about what you 216 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:35,319 Speaker 1: just read. That was how many years ago to three 217 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: years ago? Three years ago? Okay? So think about that, 218 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: and we're talking about the first rounders, and then think 219 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 1: about the discussions that we have on path to the 220 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 1: draft running up to it, and how we focused not 221 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: only on the first round, but oh, second, third round, 222 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: all these guys. What you're seeing is the reality of 223 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 1: the National Football League. The first round is really difficult. 224 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 1: What Charlie talks about. Charlie actually talks about the success 225 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 1: rate being at the first round. Yeah, and so when 226 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 1: we fret on teams that give up second round picks 227 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 1: or third round picks, and the light it just it 228 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:17,679 Speaker 1: we worry about what's behind door number one, right, and 229 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:21,680 Speaker 1: door number one normally doesn't work out anyway. So take 230 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 1: good players, get good players. It is better to get 231 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:26,679 Speaker 1: something that you know than it's gonna be. And I 232 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 1: think the Mike Mayock draft will will serve that whole philosophy. Well, well, 233 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 1: if it works out for him, that that will be 234 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: an interesting piece of the evaluation. Three years down the 235 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 1: road from here talking about Kim dic and as a 236 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: foreshadow in or Bruce Feltman interview, keeping mind, Kim was 237 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: the number one overall recruit in high school, number one overall, 238 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 1: and we expected him to be a dominant player. He 239 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 1: showed flashes, but again it never did it consistently. And 240 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: we're talking about fifteen sacks. We're not talking about any 241 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 1: you know, one of those things. And so it's it's 242 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: it's the same thing, and we'll talk about it when 243 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 1: when we get to this uh much hyped up quarterback class. 244 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 1: It'd be interesting to see what the evaluation is when 245 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: we get into the process, uh January February versus what 246 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:13,679 Speaker 1: the conversation is now, because right now they all look 247 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:17,079 Speaker 1: like nice, new shiny toys. They will take over the league, 248 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 1: you know what? Just I don't know, Um, it just 249 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: hit me. Rashaan Garry was the number one recruit in 250 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: high school, right and we're kind of having that same 251 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 1: discussion like he had those traits didn't have that crazy 252 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 1: production and we and we gave him, we gave him 253 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 1: a pass, and so Robert him was another one, and 254 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 1: so um a lot of it. And the challenge is 255 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 1: as an evaluated to kind of scout what your blinder 256 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: is on and ear plugs in where you're doing it 257 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 1: solely based on what you see on the tape and 258 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 1: not what you're seeing on TV or what you're hearing. 259 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 1: All Right, So that's just look at kind of an 260 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:53,079 Speaker 1: interesting way to now start the evaluation as you look 261 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 1: back on the draft. Um, rookie minicamps kind of already started. Uh, 262 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 1: we got eleven of those that have are already been 263 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 1: already gotten underway. We'll have a few more of those 264 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 1: kind of going on this week and next weekend. Um, 265 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:07,560 Speaker 1: but I'm kind of interested Bucky to get through and 266 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 1: get into our our top players under twenty five discussion here, right, 267 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 1: So we're gonna pick an offensive and a defensive player 268 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 1: that we feel like he's going to break out as 269 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 1: as kind of the up and comers of the league 270 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 1: here under the age of twenty five. I'm gonna give 271 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 1: you a first go at your offensive player and then okay, 272 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 1: first go I'm gonna go to one of my former teams, 273 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:29,679 Speaker 1: and I am going to say that Matt Lafleur is 274 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 1: going to help Aaron Jones the running back from UTAB breakout, breakout, 275 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 1: and get you away. And the reason why I'm gonna 276 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 1: say this, look, he last season he had over seven 277 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 1: hundred rushing yards, but he's never necessarily been utilized as 278 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: a as a heavy workload guy. Uh. For as long 279 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 1: as Mike McCarthy was there, they didn't necessarily lean heavily 280 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:52,599 Speaker 1: on the running gamp. I'm gonna say that changes a 281 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 1: little bit with Matt la Fleur. I believe you're going 282 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 1: to see more run and play action than we've ever 283 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 1: seen from Green Bay. They're gonna get act to kind 284 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: of the nuts and bolts of their variation of the 285 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 1: West Coast. And because la Fleur saw what the running 286 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: game was able to do with Jered Goff, what he 287 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 1: was able to do with Matt Ryan, I think that 288 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: we're going to see the Green Bay Packers commit to 289 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: running that outside zone scheme and it's going to allow 290 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 1: Aaron Jones to be a very very effective playmaker because 291 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 1: defenses will still come into the game thinking we have 292 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 1: to stop number twelve, and they may conceive some yards 293 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 1: to Jones until he shows him that he can be 294 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 1: a guy who can hurt them. I like that one. 295 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 1: I like that one a lot. In fact, he was 296 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 1: a popular fantasy of mine last year, even though he 297 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 1: had the two games suspension to start. I'm gonna stash 298 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: this guy just in just in case, and he clearly 299 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 1: seems to be the guy now in Green Bay. Look, 300 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go quarterback here um And and this one's 301 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 1: maybe a little obvious, but I feel like Sam Donald 302 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 1: is prime forum on to give him, give him some 303 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 1: a year with Adam Gaze on to give him Levy 304 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 1: on bell Um. I want to give him an improved 305 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 1: offensive line and just see what happens, because I think 306 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 1: we were all impressed with what he was able to 307 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 1: do during his college career. Obviously we thought he might 308 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 1: be the number one overall pick ends up going three 309 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: to the Jets behind Mayfield. So in Barkley, so you know, 310 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 1: I just I feel like when healthy Ryan Tannehill played 311 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: well under Adam Gaze, especially early on in Gaze's tenure, 312 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 1: when they had a better roster around him. Uh, and 313 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 1: I feel like Sam Donald has more talent, the arm 314 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: and just has it all put together a bit more 315 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: at this point as a quarterback than than Tannehill did 316 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 1: it in his first year with Gaze. So UM, I'm 317 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 1: excited to see what those two put together, and and 318 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 1: the Levy on Bell thing, and what the ways that 319 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 1: they can use him as a receiver. I think just 320 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 1: just kind of fuels that breakout chatter for Donald. Now, look, 321 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 1: he's gonna have every opportunity to do it. I think 322 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: the big thing for or Sam Donald will be how 323 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 1: does he grow his game while they put more on him? 324 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 1: I meaning he hasn't played a lot of football. He 325 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: hasn't played a lot of quarterback. This is the guy 326 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 1: that didn't play uh quarterback the entire time in high 327 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: school due to injuries and another position having another guy there. 328 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: Then he goes to sc has remarkable. I would say 329 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: two year run with the trojans Um shows some things. 330 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 1: But that last year at sc UM I would say 331 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 1: there was a bit of regression in his game in 332 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 1: terms of the number of turnovers and the like. And 333 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 1: we kind of excused it because we're saying, hey, he 334 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 1: didn't have a lot around him, and then last year 335 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: we saw the regression last year from week one where 336 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: he was it was like, oh my gosh, he gets 337 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 1: the lines, He's gonna be amazing, and then it comes back. 338 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 1: So what I want from Sam Donald is a level 339 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 1: of consistency, because, um, we can talk about him, and 340 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 1: we can talk about the Giants make a wrong pick 341 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 1: or whatever, but at some point Sam Donald has to 342 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 1: show us a level of consistent play that kind of 343 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 1: justifies him being, uh, the second or third to third 344 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:06,160 Speaker 1: pick in the draft. Yeah, I agree with you as well, 345 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 1: and I don't think Adam Gates will allow anything less 346 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: and consist consistent quarterback play. Uh, if they want to 347 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:15,160 Speaker 1: keep that thing rolling. Okay, let's go to the defensive 348 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 1: side of the ball. What you got. I'm gonna go 349 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:20,439 Speaker 1: with Jabril Peppers for the New York Jail. And the 350 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 1: reason I'm going with him is because he was kind 351 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:26,120 Speaker 1: of thrown in the trade for Odell Beckham Jr. And 352 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: we didn't really talk about him. We didn't talk about 353 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 1: what the Giants gap. We talked about the draft pick, 354 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:32,879 Speaker 1: and we talked about Odell going to Cleveland, but we 355 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 1: really didn't talk about Jabrill Peppers. Um, Now, it's funny 356 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:38,679 Speaker 1: because some of the people in Cleveland would tell you 357 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: that Peppers would maybe be best suited to be a 358 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 1: running back at that level based on how instinctive he 359 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 1: is with the ball in his hands. However, they moved 360 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 1: him to New York and David Gettleman was very excited 361 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 1: about Jabriel Peppers. He made mention of Jabril Peppers being 362 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 1: a big part of why they wanted to make the deal. 363 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:57,920 Speaker 1: They think they can do some certain things with him. 364 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 1: Then if you go when you look at the defensive 365 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:03,919 Speaker 1: coordinator Betcher and what James Batcher was able to do 366 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:06,440 Speaker 1: with the Honey Badger when he had him in Arizona, 367 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 1: I think you can make um a reasonable decision that, Okay, 368 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 1: maybe Jerrell Peppers will be put in that hybrid role 369 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:18,640 Speaker 1: where he plays around the box and does a little 370 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: bit of nickel, a little blitz, a little linebacker, not 371 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 1: as much away from the ball, and allowed him to 372 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 1: be the instinctive player that he has been. Yeah. Um, 373 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 1: I I love that man, and I think that's certainly 374 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:32,399 Speaker 1: something the Giants were counting on. If you're gonna be 375 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 1: a part of that Odell Beckham trade you better, you 376 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:37,440 Speaker 1: better uh up the game a little bit, and it'd 377 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 1: be fun to watch him as a breakout player, especially 378 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 1: with Landon Collins out of that secondary as well there 379 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: in New York. Okay, I'm gonna give you one uh 380 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:50,919 Speaker 1: second round pick. A year ago, Harold Landry lost in 381 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 1: college out with the Tennessee Titans. So Harold played, I 382 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:56,959 Speaker 1: believe in. I want to say it was fifteen games 383 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 1: last year for the Titans and uh, you know it 384 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 1: in five sacks um, but I saw. I mean, we 385 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 1: talked about it, and you brought it up to me, 386 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 1: which I thought was one of the best points, uh 387 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 1: that we can make when talking about um sack production 388 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:16,119 Speaker 1: from college to the to the pro game. And you know, 389 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:18,639 Speaker 1: you talked about how that stuff you you put up 390 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 1: those numbers, it translates regardless regardless of level. And he 391 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:23,920 Speaker 1: was one of those guys, Harold Landry was, especially his 392 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:26,679 Speaker 1: junior year BC that put up those numbers. He had 393 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 1: four and a half a year ago. Now you get 394 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 1: Cam Wake coming over to Tennessee and if nothing can 395 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 1: be a hey, watch me, this is how it's done. 396 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:39,199 Speaker 1: Type of situation for Landry, And you know I love 397 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 1: that Mike Rabel. Um, you know his hands on with 398 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 1: those guys, and so I just I feel like this, 399 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:46,639 Speaker 1: this is a guy that has the talent um and 400 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:50,439 Speaker 1: has the pedigree and the background uh and has the 401 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:53,159 Speaker 1: coaching to break out as a player under twenty five 402 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 1: on the defense side of the ball. I liked him. 403 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:56,880 Speaker 1: I loved him a lot when he was coming out. 404 00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:00,159 Speaker 1: Um he had an injury mord uh final season at 405 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:03,200 Speaker 1: Boston College, but leading into that season, I liken him 406 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:05,440 Speaker 1: to Von Miller in terms of his first step quickness, 407 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:08,360 Speaker 1: his ability to ben in burst. Uh. He was a 408 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 1: dominant player. Um. You know his junior season and look, 409 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:14,919 Speaker 1: for whatever reason, it didn't work out his senior year 410 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:16,640 Speaker 1: and so he's drafting the second round. But he showed 411 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 1: flashes last season of being a guy that could be 412 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:21,879 Speaker 1: a high end pass rusher. Now you put him on 413 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:24,440 Speaker 1: the opposite side of someone that you have to account 414 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,360 Speaker 1: for a camera wake, it means one on one opportunities 415 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 1: for him. And with one on one opportunities, I think 416 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 1: he consistently gets to the quarterback. I expect him to 417 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: be a difference make man if they gets somebody Jeffrey 418 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 1: Simmons to depending on how healthy. He's gonna be impair 419 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: him up there with Terrell Casey and it's kind of 420 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,959 Speaker 1: an interesting front up there in uh in Tennessee and 421 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 1: want to be interesting and uh and watch him play 422 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 1: here come okay. Uh So that's kind of a look 423 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:51,959 Speaker 1: at the the NFL landscape. Let's get to the college 424 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 1: landscape and joining the pot now, friend of the program 425 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 1: reporter for the Athletic Bruce Feldman is here with us. Bruce, 426 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 1: what's going on, my man? Welcome, good, good morning, guys. 427 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:05,679 Speaker 1: Gonna be on with you. Likewise, Look, we've had some 428 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 1: fun uh here in the immediate aftermath of the draft 429 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:12,880 Speaker 1: and kind of logging back into what the college football 430 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 1: landscape will look like for next year. And um, I 431 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:20,679 Speaker 1: guess for Clemson they're gonna be feeling pretty good about 432 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 1: their signal caller for the next few years after we've 433 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 1: seen them get the commit from the top quarterback in 434 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: the country in DJ. Here we go, oh, ungle a, 435 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 1: how about that? Did I get it? Bruce? Pretty good? 436 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 1: That's pretty good. That was better than what I was 437 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 1: doing until I was like texting with his uncle and 438 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 1: went back and forth. He actually sent me like a 439 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 1: phonetic video that that helped. So I mean, we're gonna 440 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 1: have to know how to say that name. Yes, yeah, sure, yes, 441 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:51,360 Speaker 1: And look, I think I think this is really interesting. 442 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 1: You know, give us a sense of of how that 443 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:58,199 Speaker 1: process went from your view, Brus. You know, he's a 444 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 1: big time baseball prospect and he's a huge kid, as 445 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,479 Speaker 1: as Bucky can attest. We both I think saw him. 446 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:06,879 Speaker 1: He was out at the Elite leven last year and 447 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 1: Bucky's seen him probably a bunch more than I have. Uh, 448 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,679 Speaker 1: he looks like he could be a defensive end prospect. 449 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: But st John Bosco, you know, big time program. Everything 450 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,919 Speaker 1: I've heard from him is what really appealed to dj 451 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:24,959 Speaker 1: uh was Dabo Sweeney has not been shy about discussing 452 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 1: how important his faith is in the program, and several 453 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:30,959 Speaker 1: other guys on that staff are very open about it, 454 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 1: and that really resonated with him. I mean, look, this 455 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,880 Speaker 1: is a long way to go for Clemson to get 456 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 1: a quarterback. More importantly, maybe it's a long way. You know, 457 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 1: there's a lot of other schools you have to get 458 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:46,159 Speaker 1: over to go to to get this kid. And uh, 459 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 1: it came down to them in Oregon and everything I 460 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: had heard from the last couple of weeks was it 461 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,120 Speaker 1: was gonna be Clemson, and Clemson is putting together a 462 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 1: ridiculous recruiting class that everyone thinks he's going to be 463 00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 1: the number one class. What's kind of amazing about that 464 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,199 Speaker 1: is if you love of the five classes previous to 465 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:07,160 Speaker 1: this year that made up that that national title team 466 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:10,639 Speaker 1: that blew out Alabama, the only average twelve ranking on 467 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,159 Speaker 1: two four seven sports was twelve. So it was like 468 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,159 Speaker 1: they were getting obviously big time guys. You see that 469 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 1: in the draft, but it wasn't like they had number 470 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,919 Speaker 1: ones and number two ranked classes. This one is going 471 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 1: to be a number one because they've gone national and 472 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 1: they're getting some big, big time kids and there's more coming, 473 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 1: you know, Bruce, And just thinking about how far Clipson 474 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 1: has come to think that they have gone from being 475 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 1: a team that was led by TDJ Boyd who was 476 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 1: a great quarterback to potentially being qbu Would you ever 477 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: have fathomed that clips and the team that Danny Ford 478 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,199 Speaker 1: basically made it to a power is now known for 479 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 1: developing and grooming and spitting out quarterbacks. Yeah, I mean, 480 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 1: look at this shows how much things changed because a 481 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:52,200 Speaker 1: few years ago people were talking about how the big 482 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 1: twelve and the bad defenses and now we've got back 483 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 1: to back number ones and obviously Pat Mahomes is a 484 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 1: big twelve and I don't think it. I think the 485 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,919 Speaker 1: key here is it doesn't take very long. You know, 486 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: like we're all older and we remember the eighties. A 487 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:10,399 Speaker 1: lot of these kids don't remember anything, uh, you know, 488 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 1: from from more than five or six years ago. You know, 489 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 1: to them, they don't remember Matt Liner as a player now, 490 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,679 Speaker 1: you know, they don't remember. I mean, it's it's true. 491 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 1: It's like they go back, they're gonna remember Marcus Mariota. Um. 492 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:27,360 Speaker 1: You know, I think dj uh the quarterback, his his 493 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 1: favorite quarterback grown up with Jeremiah Massoli. I mean, that 494 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 1: wasn't that long ago, you know, so Um. I think 495 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 1: that's the perspective. We get lost in it sometimes, especially 496 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,639 Speaker 1: in the media, but a lot of other But these kids, 497 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 1: what resonates with them can be very very different. And 498 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 1: Clemson is the program right now and the way they 499 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,440 Speaker 1: run it, it's upbeat, it's fun. They've been able to 500 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,639 Speaker 1: keep a lot of their assistance together, which when you 501 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 1: have success the way they had two of the last 502 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,160 Speaker 1: three national title that's not part that's not easy to do. 503 00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 1: And I mean, like, you know, we talked about the 504 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:04,239 Speaker 1: quarterbacks obviously, and you know, it's an interesting situation for 505 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,160 Speaker 1: me after watching the whole transfer portal thing this year, 506 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 1: and you know, seeing that Trevor Lawrence is going to 507 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 1: be there for at least one year, probably while DJ 508 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:18,440 Speaker 1: is there, right, Uh, yeah, for one year, he would 509 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 1: have to red shirt or he's even if you red shirts. 510 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 1: He's not a five year kid. I mean he's gonna 511 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:24,880 Speaker 1: I mean, by all accounts, he's a three and out 512 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 1: kind of guy. So even though there's a new red 513 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,639 Speaker 1: shirt rule from last year where you can play four games, 514 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 1: I mean, if you're really as good as some of 515 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 1: these as this kid people think is gonna be, he's 516 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 1: not gonna be around for five years anyway. No, I 517 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 1: didn't think so either. But kids are even more impatient 518 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 1: than that these days. I mean, you know, justin Field 519 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,640 Speaker 1: left after a year of not really playing much at Georgia, 520 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,399 Speaker 1: right and and going to Ohio State. Take Martell and 521 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,360 Speaker 1: what never played at Ohio State, right, and he's already gone. Um, 522 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 1: you know, so it's just kind of interesting to me 523 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,399 Speaker 1: to see a quarterback, you know, the top quarterback in 524 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:58,239 Speaker 1: the country. UM, commit to a place where you know 525 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 1: you are going to have to sit for a year, 526 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 1: most likely if Trevor Lawrence continues down this path. Right. Yeah, 527 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,399 Speaker 1: My colleague at the Athletic, Maxwelson, had a really good stat. 528 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's a good stat, but it's 529 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:12,199 Speaker 1: a telling stat. I think it was the year and 530 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 1: we're talking about all these transfer quarterbacks. Seventeen of the 531 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 1: top twenty five ranked quarterbacks from I think four years 532 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:24,119 Speaker 1: ago have transferred. I mean, I don't know what is that. 533 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 1: That's a staggering number. And a couple of those other 534 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: seven who were there are either not starters or you know, 535 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 1: they're they're guys who are playing other positions. So I mean, 536 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 1: the I don't say because it doesn't mean the seventeen 537 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,639 Speaker 1: or busts. They just you know, they found success in 538 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,119 Speaker 1: other places or maybe they didn't. But it speaks to 539 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 1: what you're saying right about the the impatience that we 540 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,199 Speaker 1: have now. And and I'm not condemning it. I just 541 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 1: think it's a reality. Hey, real, real, real quick buck, 542 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,440 Speaker 1: Just on that on that topic about the transfer quarterbacks, 543 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 1: that'd be curious to get your take Buck I mean, 544 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 1: I mean, Bruce, is it? Is it Justin Field? I mean, 545 00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,640 Speaker 1: is it is that? For sure? The most intriguing quarterback 546 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,440 Speaker 1: in a new place for you? It is? I mean, 547 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,640 Speaker 1: I think Bucky could attest to this just from what 548 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,920 Speaker 1: we saw, especially when he was around the other top quarterbacks. 549 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: I mean, as good as as Trevor Lawrence looked. Everybody 550 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,480 Speaker 1: I know who's in that quarterback space. Thought Justin Fields 551 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:20,160 Speaker 1: is even more talent, and so he's better. He's better, 552 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,159 Speaker 1: and he's going to work with Ryan day now and 553 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 1: Ryan days as. I don't want to say he's he's 554 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 1: a star maker and this right now for sure, but 555 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,639 Speaker 1: I think he's in really good hands there. Quite honestly, 556 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,719 Speaker 1: I think he's in better hands at Ohio State for 557 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,440 Speaker 1: development than he might be right now in the situation 558 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,680 Speaker 1: at Georgia. You also have to keep in mind, yeah, 559 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:44,439 Speaker 1: they lost three really good productive receivers and real grown 560 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 1: ups at Ohio State and McLaurin and Johnny Dixon, Paris Campbell, 561 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 1: but they got a a probably the best receiver in 562 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,120 Speaker 1: the country when last year's Conna last Garrett Wilson. He's 563 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,399 Speaker 1: already there at Ohio State of Texas kid. Crystal Lobby 564 00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 1: is a guy they love. They have a bunch of 565 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,199 Speaker 1: really really good receivers who were still there. Plus they 566 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,359 Speaker 1: have a you know, running game that you can lean on. 567 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,200 Speaker 1: I think Justin Fields is in an ideal situation. I'm 568 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 1: not saying he's gonna win the Heisman definitely, but I 569 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:11,719 Speaker 1: think he's gonna have a huge year. And people who 570 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:13,920 Speaker 1: look at the spring game and oh, his stats weren't 571 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,880 Speaker 1: that great or whatever, just be patient. I think he's 572 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:18,120 Speaker 1: coming and I think he's going to be a star. 573 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 1: Bruce who would have also accepted Jack Tuttle as the 574 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:26,200 Speaker 1: quarterback transfer? Okay, Also, I think that your alma mater 575 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 1: has two other pretty talented quarterbacks. I mean, Michael Panics 576 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 1: is really good. Peyton has been a great starter. Yeah, 577 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 1: we did a Peyton Ramsey game last year. He was 578 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 1: a good, good, good player. You're right, You're you're talking 579 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 1: about the recruiting landscape in I tweeted out earlier because 580 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 1: someone was making a command and it was kind of 581 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 1: ridiculous that Mike Mayock uh drafted a bunch of Alabama 582 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 1: and cleps and guys, and I was saying for years, 583 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 1: NFL guys typically take players from the top teams, and 584 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 1: I threw l s U in there because L. S 585 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 1: U has a nice pat degree of putting guys in 586 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 1: the league. But you're saying that Dave also have kind 587 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 1: of changed when it comes to the recruiting landscape. Can 588 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,719 Speaker 1: you expand on that. Yeah, So I was down there 589 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 1: and spent a couple of spent three days in that 590 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 1: versions about a month ago. And one of the things 591 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 1: that's different is Oseron. Obviously at Osron spent a lot 592 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 1: of time at USC, and he has some connections from 593 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 1: from being around USC, and I think they looked at 594 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 1: it certainly. It's it's not in uh not not coincidental 595 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 1: that USC is really struggling, and so people can come 596 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 1: out to the West coast right now, especially with the 597 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 1: decision around Clay Hilton, and get some really good players, uh. 598 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 1: And I think one of the things that they've they've 599 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 1: seen is that they can go out in the d 600 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 1: MB area around that Maryland you know, DC Virginia area 601 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 1: where there's a lot of good players, and they have 602 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 1: been doing very well there. They've done very well in California, 603 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 1: and I think that message has played well. I mean, 604 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 1: they just had their best year, and I think six 605 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 1: or seven years at l s U. And I think 606 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 1: one thing that you know, Cockey, what you're you're really saying, 607 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 1: is the work that they're getting in practice, good against good. 608 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 1: I mean that is hard to that is hard to 609 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 1: replicate in other places in terms of development, and you 610 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 1: see it with these l s U d vs especially, 611 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 1: but I think you're going to see it in other places. 612 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 1: On their roster now, I mean, they have some really talented, 613 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 1: big physical receivers and that place is really excited about 614 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 1: Joe Brady, who's the new passing game Quardana. I mean, 615 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 1: they're gonna change their offense significantly. He's a Joe more 616 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 1: head guy from his time to Penn State and then 617 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 1: spent the last couple of years learning under Sean Payton 618 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 1: with the Saints. And I really think this will be 619 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:39,720 Speaker 1: a big year for them. I'm not saying they're gonna 620 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 1: topple Alabama, but the team I saw was very, very impressive, 621 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:46,960 Speaker 1: and I think they have a real chance to be 622 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 1: a top five team this year. Joe Burrow comes came 623 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 1: over to l s U as a transfer. What's it 624 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 1: gonna take for LSU to recruit a quarterback? Well, they've 625 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 1: got a couple of really good ones that they've committed 626 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 1: for this year. One's Brad Johnson's. When I say this year, um, 627 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 1: I think the big thing for them is gonna be 628 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 1: getting the ball out of this out of his hands, 629 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 1: getting into playmakers and being different. You know, it's crazy 630 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 1: is I did a story for The Athletic a couple 631 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 1: of weeks ago about about where l s U is 632 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 1: right now, and if you look back at their offense 633 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 1: statistically for yards per play, which is a metric a 634 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 1: lot of people use, they've had I think three of 635 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 1: the top fifteen, you know, in the last six or 636 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 1: seven years, and you're like, how did that happen? It 637 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:34,240 Speaker 1: is to me too. But then all of a sudden, 638 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 1: you got you had some great NFL receivers who were there, 639 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 1: you know, together with Mettenberger, and you've had Darius Guys 640 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 1: and Leonard Fournett and Jeremy Hill. You've had like a 641 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 1: ridiculous amount of talent. It's just you look at the 642 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 1: quarterback play, it's been subpar. And I think Joe Burrow 643 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,960 Speaker 1: is going to be a good college quarterback. They're optimistic 644 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 1: about Miles Brennan, who's got a very good arm and 645 00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 1: he's he's been there for a couple of years. He's 646 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 1: only put on about twenty pounds, so he looks more 647 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 1: like a college quarterback and not a high school kid. 648 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 1: But again, we've heard this before from l s U. 649 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 1: We heard it, you know, they changed the offense two 650 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 1: years ago with Matt cannad had actually got a little worse. 651 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 1: Um we heard it plenty of times under Less Miles 652 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 1: and it see, you know, they kept on shooting themselves 653 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,480 Speaker 1: in the foot or whatever. It would be, bad clock management, 654 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:25,720 Speaker 1: whatever it was. Um, you know they had they had 655 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 1: back slid really till last year. So we'll see if 656 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,480 Speaker 1: this is a real change or not. I mean, that's 657 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 1: I think I'll say this, The two most interesting maybe 658 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 1: an offensive hires this offseason are both guys who learned 659 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 1: under Joe moorehead. One is Joe Brady, who a lot 660 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 1: of people don't know. The other one is at Michigan 661 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 1: and that's and that's Josh Gaddis, who's the new OC there, 662 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:47,680 Speaker 1: who Harball has given the keys to. I think both 663 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:49,520 Speaker 1: guys are gonna be very fascinating because they have a 664 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 1: chance to to wake up some really downtrodden offenses. That's 665 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:58,120 Speaker 1: really interesting, you know, Bruce, So I can't I can't 666 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,280 Speaker 1: let you go without first because this is on the 667 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 1: transition from top recruise to the NFL Draft. Everyone is 668 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,720 Speaker 1: speculating about the quarterback class in the league and if 669 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:13,200 Speaker 1: some of these guys two and Jake from UH, Justin Herbert, 670 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 1: these guys come out and they're in the draft, can 671 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 1: you just talk about what you've seen for those guys 672 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,480 Speaker 1: on the collegiate level, because our listeners are just beginning 673 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:23,800 Speaker 1: to get familiar with who these guys are and we're 674 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,360 Speaker 1: gonna hear about him for the next twelve months being 675 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 1: guys that the NFL is excited to see. Justin Herbert 676 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 1: is a tight end sized guy who've done a bunch 677 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:37,360 Speaker 1: of his game six six to pretty athletic kid, accurate, 678 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 1: brilliant kid off the field, four oh student in a 679 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 1: in a real heavy major. We also did his bowl 680 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:47,280 Speaker 1: game against Michigan State and they scored one touchdown. I mean, 681 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 1: sometimes the product on the field, Gwen Honesty, has been 682 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 1: pretty underwhelming. Now. They had one receiver there last year, 683 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 1: Dylan Mitchell. He was their go to guy. After that, 684 00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 1: they had nothing. He does have a really good offensive line. 685 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,160 Speaker 1: You know, we need to see it on the field 686 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 1: a lot more from him. Whenever I heard first pick 687 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,400 Speaker 1: in the draft, when people were speculating that, I wasn't 688 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:10,200 Speaker 1: you know, I don't think it was. I was a 689 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:14,720 Speaker 1: little suspect on that. He's talented, he's smart. But again, 690 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:16,720 Speaker 1: I think we got to see more of the product 691 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:18,919 Speaker 1: on the field. This kid who didn't play that much 692 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 1: in high school, and he also didn't play at the 693 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,279 Speaker 1: highest level. He's a Eugene kid, Eugene Oregon kids, so 694 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 1: it wasn't like he was playing in a football hotbed. 695 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,239 Speaker 1: I'm interested to see he's talented, but you know, I 696 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,320 Speaker 1: think we got to see him take a big step forward. 697 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,520 Speaker 1: I'm a big believer in too. I just think he's 698 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,600 Speaker 1: got so much juice in that arm. He sees it well. 699 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,560 Speaker 1: He's really aggressive. Now he doesn't have great, you know, height, 700 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,360 Speaker 1: but that doesn't seem to matter that much anymore. Plus, 701 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,080 Speaker 1: he's got some stud receivers. I mean, his his three 702 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,520 Speaker 1: or four receivers are the that's the best, you know, 703 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,440 Speaker 1: foursome in the in the country. The one I'm a 704 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 1: little surprised I've heard and again take it with a 705 00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,719 Speaker 1: grain of salt, you know, this time of year with 706 00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:03,600 Speaker 1: that stuff. Mark me down to somebody's skeptical of if 707 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:05,759 Speaker 1: Jake From is going to be a top ten pick 708 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 1: next year. I am. I'm not buying that one. Uh. 709 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:13,080 Speaker 1: He's a really good college quarterback. I wonder if he 710 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 1: is Aaron Murray again, uh there, which is not a knock. 711 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,759 Speaker 1: I mean er Murray had a great college career and 712 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:23,319 Speaker 1: he was impressive in the a F But I could 713 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,920 Speaker 1: see Jake From, you know, being an NFL quarterback. I 714 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,839 Speaker 1: just don't think when the NFL people end up evaluating him, 715 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,920 Speaker 1: whether it's next year or the year after, I'm skeptical 716 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,080 Speaker 1: that they're gonna look and see that's a top ten pick. 717 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,400 Speaker 1: I think there's gonna be some skepticism of the juice 718 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,520 Speaker 1: in his arm. I think people are gonna look at 719 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,360 Speaker 1: it and say, well, you know what, they had a 720 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,399 Speaker 1: great running game. They leaned on this, and they leaned 721 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,920 Speaker 1: on that. Uh. You know, I know he's playing against 722 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,160 Speaker 1: really good competition, and he put up really good numbers 723 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,600 Speaker 1: this year this past year. But I'm again just in 724 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,880 Speaker 1: just from what I've seen from him and from everything 725 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,160 Speaker 1: I've heard, I don't know if I buy that he's 726 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,239 Speaker 1: gonna be a top ten pick or anywhere year of 727 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,960 Speaker 1: that again, and we'll see what happens. He's you know, uh, 728 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:07,239 Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator Jim Cheney, who's who has had Drew 729 00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,280 Speaker 1: Brees at Purdue. I've been around some really good quarterbacks. 730 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,080 Speaker 1: He's moved on. He's at Tennessee now and James Coley 731 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,200 Speaker 1: takes over. Uh. So we'll see how it goes in 732 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,920 Speaker 1: year three. But that's the one I'm probably most skeptical 733 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,279 Speaker 1: love at this point. I love it, and you'll get 734 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,200 Speaker 1: to critique. I think Bucky's got his first mock draft 735 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,879 Speaker 1: coming out, so we'll see. We'll see if he puts 736 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,880 Speaker 1: Jake in the top ten. All right, Bruce, I'm looking forward. 737 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,200 Speaker 1: Bruce has got a great article right now out on 738 00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:33,480 Speaker 1: the Athletic on the top twenty five coaches in college football. 739 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,680 Speaker 1: Go ahead and check that out. Bruce thinks, so much 740 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:37,800 Speaker 1: for spending some time with this day. We really appreciate it, 741 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,279 Speaker 1: my pleasure. Thank you guys. Great to have Bruce a 742 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,120 Speaker 1: part of the program. And look, we didn't get to 743 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,800 Speaker 1: get into that top twenty five best coaches in college football, 744 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,520 Speaker 1: which I think is a pretty cool, pretty cool exercise, 745 00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,080 Speaker 1: and it's gotta be tough to not just make that 746 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:54,400 Speaker 1: a preseason top twenty pole. Um. But Bruce kind of 747 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,040 Speaker 1: dug in a little bit, and look, I'm wanna, I 748 00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:57,880 Speaker 1: want to get right to the top here before we 749 00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,719 Speaker 1: get off this topic. He's got Nick Aben number one, 750 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,799 Speaker 1: Dabo Sweeney number two, which you know, I certainly an 751 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,799 Speaker 1: argument for that, right I mean, and I think it's 752 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,680 Speaker 1: the argument that Bruce makes is interesting. The first line 753 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:12,920 Speaker 1: out of the gate on Nick Saban he's the best 754 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:19,880 Speaker 1: coach in college football history. Uh, I would, man, But 755 00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,160 Speaker 1: is he the best coach in college football right now? 756 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,200 Speaker 1: No debo. Sweeney right now is the best coach in 757 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,200 Speaker 1: college football based on everything that Clemson has been able 758 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,319 Speaker 1: to do, based on Clemson being able to knock off 759 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,960 Speaker 1: Alabama a couple of times. When we say that Alabama 760 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,719 Speaker 1: is kind of like the uh undisputed it's champion of 761 00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:44,360 Speaker 1: all things college football. When you go to the way 762 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,880 Speaker 1: he has been killing in on the recruiting trail and 763 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,200 Speaker 1: the players that they're bringing in, the players that they 764 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:53,080 Speaker 1: are developing and producing to the pros, it is hard 765 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,279 Speaker 1: to put any one of it a Deabo Sweeney based 766 00:37:56,320 --> 00:38:00,239 Speaker 1: on how hot Clemson has been of late. Yeah, it's look, 767 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,840 Speaker 1: it's a it's an interesting argument, um, you know, and 768 00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:07,520 Speaker 1: it's what happens if Clemson wins another national title this year? 769 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,879 Speaker 1: You know, like, are are we talking about a true 770 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:12,800 Speaker 1: changing of the guard? I think we had that conversation 771 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,239 Speaker 1: after the National championship game this year. But look, I 772 00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,279 Speaker 1: think that's uh, that's really interesting. I was trying to 773 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,760 Speaker 1: get Bruce to get get your boy Mac on this list, 774 00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,920 Speaker 1: but the yeah, you know, he didn't. He didn't put 775 00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:24,759 Speaker 1: a coach Brown on there. But that's that's fine, Lack. 776 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,000 Speaker 1: It would just how did Scott Frost get on there? 777 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,319 Speaker 1: I mean then one the way they win four games 778 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:33,080 Speaker 1: sit in Nebraska lection, he was very very very very friendly, 779 00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,160 Speaker 1: very friendly Scott Frost and some of those other guys. 780 00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:37,880 Speaker 1: I don't know how many of these guys on this 781 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:41,359 Speaker 1: list at one national titles, right right? Like Mac Brown? Yeah, 782 00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,160 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But that's fine. Yeah, that's fine. 783 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,160 Speaker 1: Even at Jim Harbor had listed at number eleven. Never 784 00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:51,319 Speaker 1: beat Ohio State, has never beat Ohio State, doesn't not 785 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,080 Speaker 1: saying that that couldn't happen. Uh, Well, That's that's an 786 00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,080 Speaker 1: interesting point. You bring up hardball in Michigan. Well, they 787 00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:01,080 Speaker 1: do these traps, man, I mean it's insane. Remember following 788 00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,799 Speaker 1: the what Marty Smith followed them when they went on 789 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:08,600 Speaker 1: that first one to Italy. I remember talking to my buddy, Umm. 790 00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,280 Speaker 1: John o'corne was a quarterback at Michigan for a wild 791 00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:16,320 Speaker 1: transferred from Houston, and Um, he was just he could 792 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:21,359 Speaker 1: not stop raving about the commitment that that school has 793 00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,880 Speaker 1: made to that program and that that allows them that 794 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,920 Speaker 1: opportunity to do the things. Um, these trips that they take, 795 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,680 Speaker 1: and they recently visited the prison where Nelson Mandela was Hellblie, 796 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:36,279 Speaker 1: this is unbelievable experiences, you know, for I mean you know, 797 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,360 Speaker 1: kids might not have this opportunity the rest of their lives. 798 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:44,719 Speaker 1: I mean, this is so so cool. So I definitely, Uh, 799 00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,160 Speaker 1: thinking back to my college career, I cannot think of 800 00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:51,160 Speaker 1: a parallel experience. Don't have anything that was cool. I 801 00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:55,560 Speaker 1: mean the Colts preseason game was, um, no, man, what 802 00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:57,360 Speaker 1: did you guys do? Anything like? Oh my, my, my 803 00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,040 Speaker 1: coolest experience in college. We came out to cal a 804 00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,640 Speaker 1: poin year and we played in the Pig Skin Classic 805 00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:09,840 Speaker 1: at Disneyland and what say we played? We played William 806 00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:15,360 Speaker 1: McGinnis USC's Trojans in the Pig Scan Classic at uh 807 00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,960 Speaker 1: the Old Ram Stadium, so Anaheim, the Anaheim Stadium. We 808 00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,759 Speaker 1: played him there and we whooped him. Wow, we whooped him. 809 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,960 Speaker 1: You going west and beat him? Beat him up? Will 810 00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,960 Speaker 1: you know that? You know it was seven thirty seven. 811 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,160 Speaker 1: We only threw six passes. Well, tell me year was this? Uh? 812 00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:34,839 Speaker 1: It was the beginning of the game. Is the first game? 813 00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:36,319 Speaker 1: Was the first game of season, the first game of 814 00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:42,560 Speaker 1: the season. Jason Shorn, Yeah, warn't played corner. Yeah, alright, 815 00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,839 Speaker 1: I'm into it anyway. Yeah, we beat him up. So 816 00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:47,960 Speaker 1: that was my coolest experience. We didn't do anything else. 817 00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:54,320 Speaker 1: We didn't have any other transcendent type of experiences unfortunately 818 00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:58,120 Speaker 1: me either. But well, look, man, I think that's gonna 819 00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,640 Speaker 1: do it for us today. Uh a little episode and 820 00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:02,600 Speaker 1: you Move the Sticks podcast. Remember you can catch all 821 00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:06,040 Speaker 1: your Move the Sticks content NFL dot com, slash mts, 822 00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:09,080 Speaker 1: go to YouTube. 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