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Speaker 4: Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, a beautiful Thursday here on the

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Speaker 4: Herd out in sunny Los Angeles. It's meat Jason McIntyre

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Speaker 4: barely surviving. I mean, geez are coming for the online

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Speaker 4: Rachel with picks and feathers.

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Speaker 3: Whatever they say, whatever they say, They're coming after me.

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Speaker 2: But I'm still surviving.

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Speaker 5: Then, Rachel.

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Speaker 4: We got a pretty kids.

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Speaker 3: A lot going on, There is a lot.

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Speaker 4: We are one week exactly, one week from today NFL season.

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Speaker 4: We get Packers, Not Packers, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 3: We get Eagles, Yeah, and caw and Cowboys. Oh it's he.

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Speaker 6: Is there anything I on with the capital?

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Speaker 4: You know, let's just dive right into that, shall we remember?

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Speaker 4: We are one week away from the start of the

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Speaker 4: NFL season, and a week from today it's Eagles, Cowboys

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Speaker 4: and the Eagles are defending champs, they got the best

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Speaker 4: roster in the league. They're stacked, and nobody is talking

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Speaker 4: about them for some reason. It's all about the Dallas Cowboys.

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Speaker 4: Jerry Jones likes.

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Speaker 3: It that way.

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Speaker 4: He loves it that way. By the way, do you

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Speaker 4: guys remember what happened last year in the Eagles Cowboys games?

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Speaker 4: They met twice. Now dak missed both games. Well, let

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Speaker 4: me just check here, Okay, thirty four to six was

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Speaker 4: the first one that was Eagles winning, and then it

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Speaker 4: was forty one seven.

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Speaker 3: Jalen Hurts satokancussion did not play.

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Speaker 4: So it's a little early for math, but I'm not

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Speaker 4: seventy five to thirteen. The Eagles smoked the Cowboys last year.

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Speaker 4: It was not competitive in any way, shape or form.

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Speaker 4: Yet the media remains obsessed with the wretched whoebegone Dallas Cowboys.

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Speaker 3: Why would that be? Well, wouldn't you know it? But

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Speaker 3: yesterday Michaeh.

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Speaker 4: Parsons, their star holdout hold in I don't know, showed

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Speaker 4: up at an airport.

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Speaker 3: Where's he going? He doesn't have to go to practice?

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Speaker 4: Well, Michael Parsons is going to get a second opinion

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Speaker 4: on his back there's Micah at the I believe it's

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Speaker 4: a Dallas Fort Worth airport. You know, tough to miss.

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Speaker 4: Michael Parsons, a large individual. Somebody snapped his photo and

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Speaker 4: next thing you know.

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Speaker 3: It's wait a minute.

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Speaker 4: So he's not gonna be at practice this weekend, pivotal

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Speaker 4: practices right before the season.

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Speaker 3: Well that ain't good because.

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Speaker 4: We got everybody saying, ah, it's gonna be fine, he's.

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Speaker 3: Gonna show up. But it didn't stop there, folks.

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Speaker 4: Michaeh filed a grievance against the Cowboys over his fifty

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Speaker 4: year option, and it.

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Speaker 3: Continued the news in Dallas.

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Speaker 4: Jerry Jones loves this, right, Jerry, we'll get to you

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Speaker 4: a second, buddy.

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Speaker 3: There's more.

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Speaker 4: Michaeh Parson's older brother went on social media yesterday, and

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Speaker 4: I want to make sure I quote him correctly. It's

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Speaker 4: gonna get ugly. Put your gloves on. This is going

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Speaker 4: twelve rounds now. I don't know if he's talking about

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Speaker 4: like a Jake Paul fight coming up or what's happening.

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Speaker 4: Maybe it's his brother who's going toe to toe with

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Speaker 4: Jerry Jones and folks, the more I look at this,

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Speaker 4: the more I just get disappointed and sad for Cowboys

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Speaker 4: fans because, without question, this is the most futile organization

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Speaker 4: in the NFC.

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Speaker 3: A staggering stat I'm sure you guys have seen.

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Speaker 4: Since twenty ten, every team in the NFC has made

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Speaker 4: the conference championship game. Yes, the pathetic Panthers, the sad

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Speaker 4: There's only one team in the entire conference that hasn't.

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Speaker 4: And if you look at the bottom of the screen

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Speaker 4: there it's the Dallas Cowboys. Nineteen ninety five was the

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Speaker 4: behind everyone else in the conference. That to me is

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Speaker 4: a very clear signal Jerry Jones is not serious about

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Speaker 4: actual football. The Eagles, who they're playing next Thursday. They're

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Speaker 4: crushing free agency every year, they're crushing the draft. Howie

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Speaker 4: Roseman is building a juggernaut, and Jerry Jones is out

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Speaker 4: here creating reality TV shows.

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Speaker 3: You've heard of Love Island, Cowboys.

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Speaker 4: They got Star Island, keeping up with the Kardashians.

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Speaker 4: Yet somehow the media seems to think, wow, this happens

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Speaker 4: every year. Here's Matt Mosley earlier this week talking about how, hey,

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Speaker 4: Mike is going to be there week one.

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Speaker 7: Remember who Jerry is, and remember how much he loves

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Speaker 7: the pageantry and the circus of all of this, and

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Speaker 7: the last minute get the deal signed is kind of

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Speaker 7: a fun thing for him. Dak got one of his

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Speaker 7: deals done the morning of the first game CD and

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Speaker 7: Zeke's were done four five days. Every one of these

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Speaker 7: holdouts in in the Cowboys capitulating, right, I mean, namely

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Speaker 7: one that they've won, Like, well, look at the Cowboys,

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Speaker 7: they won this negotiation, Zeke Zach. I mean every CD

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Speaker 4: So the worst part is Jerry thinks this is good

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Speaker 4: business because he's not serious about football. He's like, oh,

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Speaker 4: our names are in the headline. I mean they play

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Speaker 4: at a stadium called Jerry World. I mean, the guy's

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Speaker 4: obsessed with himself. That's not going to translate to building

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Speaker 3: It's not going to happen.

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Speaker 4: And on top of all this, there was a couple

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Speaker 4: of reports saying, well, wait a minute, the Green Bay

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Speaker 4: Packers are interested in Michael Parsons, and everybody gets all

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Speaker 4: excited about that. I'm like, whoa, whoa, let's be let's

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Speaker 4: pause for a second. That ain't happening. I mean, Jerry,

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Speaker 4: there's no way he's trading Michael. We all know and think, yeah,

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Speaker 4: he's gonna cave at the last minute, because that's what

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Speaker 3: He chickens out.

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Speaker 4: He talks a tough game, and then chickens out and

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Speaker 4: it signs a deal. So here's Tyler Dunn talking about

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Speaker 4: Jerry's history with his stars recently. This is headed toward

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Speaker 4: opening night.

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Speaker 8: Jerry Jones is gonna know all eyes are on the NFL.

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Speaker 3: Is the NFL. He's the most powerful person in the NFL,

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Speaker 3: and then that's when the news breaks. They don't care

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Speaker 5: They just they just don't.

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Speaker 8: If the Dallas Cowboys prioritize the winning, they wouldn't locked

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Speaker 8: up Dappy year ahead of time, Steve de Lammi year

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Speaker 8: out of time, Michael Parsons a year, a year at

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Speaker 8: a time. They just jerk around their best players because

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Speaker 8: they can. They think they're the smartest people in the room.

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Speaker 8: They don't modernize the franchise. And if you're a Cowboys

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Speaker 4: And that's why I say, you know, Jerry's kind of

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Speaker 4: He said, well, I want to win a Super Bowl.

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Speaker 4: I want to, but the actions are not backing that up.

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Speaker 4: And it's got to be disappout pointing if you're a

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Speaker 4: there are thinking, hey, you know, actually, Jay, Jerry Jones

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Speaker 4: has a point. Mike is under contract for three more years.

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Speaker 4: He's got to show up and play, and that's just

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Speaker 4: that's that's not how it works. I'm gonna turn back

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Speaker 4: to twenty twenty one. Okay, that's when Michael Parsons was drafted.

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Speaker 4: I remember that draft fondly because as a Jets fan,

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Speaker 3: To that, we were in position to get Trevor Lawrence.

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Speaker 4: I was so geeked, all excited, and then the Jets,

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Speaker 4: like morons, end up beating the Rams. I believe it

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Speaker 4: was out here at so far in December, costs themselves

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Speaker 4: Trevor Lawrence and have to settle for Zach Wilson.

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Speaker 3: We know Zach Wilson.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think he's working at a coffee bean

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Speaker 4: out here in Los Angeles. However, that draft had a

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Speaker 4: of all that those twenty twenty one draft picks. Take

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Speaker 4: a look at the final column did they sign their extension?

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Speaker 4: These are all guys drafted the exact same day as

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Speaker 4: Michael Parsons, Trevor Lawrence, and Jacksonville got his extension. It's done,

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Speaker 4: no drama. Jamar Chase argue'll be the best receiver in

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Speaker 4: the league. Got it done, no drama, no holdouts, headlines.

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Speaker 4: Jaylen Wattle Miami got his deal. Penay Sewell, the great

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Speaker 4: A ton and Carolina still got his extension done. Patrick

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Speaker 4: Certayan defensive player of the Year. Devonte Smith of the Eagles,

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Speaker 4: Boy Eagles Cowboys. Hey, Devonte Smith in Micah's draft class,

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Speaker 4: got his extension. Guys, I had to look this up

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Speaker 4: seventeen months ago.

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Speaker 3: He got his extension. He was drafted the same day.

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Speaker 4: As Michael Parsons, and we all say the Eagles are

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Speaker 4: the worst we'll run organization.

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Speaker 3: In the NFL. Right now, he got his deal done.

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Speaker 4: And you look at the very end of that list,

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Speaker 4: and there's a gentleman named Rayshawn Slater who went to

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Speaker 4: the Chargers. Okay, July twenty seventh, this summer, Rayshawn Slater

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Speaker 4: four year, one hundred and fourteen million dollar deal. Chargers

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Speaker 4: locked him up. Great contract for an offensive lineman. Less

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Speaker 4: than two weeks later, he tears his ptel attendant out

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Speaker 3: Have to worry about anything.

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Speaker 4: Can you imagine the panic Rayshon Slater would have right

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Speaker 4: now if he were playing for the Cowboys and Jerry

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Speaker 4: was jerking him around and then he tears his PATEL

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Speaker 4: attendant in practice and he's out for the year. But bro,

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Speaker 4: you didn't get your extension. You just cost yourself a

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Speaker 4: ton of money. He got taken care of. No worries Slater, Hey, man,

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Speaker 4: get healthy. You don't have a damn thing to worry about.

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Speaker 4: We don't need you to rush back because you got paid.

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Speaker 4: We want you to come back fully strong next season.

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Speaker 3: Easy. Well, enter Michael Parsons. He doesn't have his extension.

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Speaker 4: You really think Michael Parsons wants to go out there

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Speaker 4: and play and jeopardize an injury like Slater with no

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Speaker 4: security and don't tell me, well, he's got the fifth

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Speaker 3: That ain't security.

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Speaker 4: Security is a four year deal with ninety one million guaranteed,

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Speaker 4: which is what Slater got, and Jerry, for some reason,

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Speaker 4: is reluctant to give him that money. And at the

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Speaker 4: bottom of that full screen graphic, I don't know if

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Speaker 4: we can get it again.

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Speaker 3: Our guys put it in gold lettering.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Of all those guys that got their extensions, Micah

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Speaker 4: Parsons is the only player in this draft to have

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Speaker 4: three all Pro seasons. So you could argue, you know,

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Speaker 4: Jamar Chase has been great, Sewell's been awesome, Michaeh. Parsons

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Speaker 4: has been the best player from his draft. That's a legitimate,

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Speaker 4: credible argument. And I know, hey, Jay, what's he done

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Speaker 4: in the playoffs? Okay, guys, what's Trevor Lawrence done in

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Speaker 4: the playoffs? You know, Penny Sewell, how did he do

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Speaker 2: Patrick?

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Speaker 4: Actually, I know Bears fans are unhappy with me. Somehow,

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Speaker 4: All this nonsense. But forget about what I'm saying. Listen

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Speaker 4: Jackson Dart Okay, nobody who covers the draft or puts

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Speaker 4: it just wasn't a thing if you had odds on

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Speaker 3: Again.

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Speaker 4: I'm not like analyzing every sentence, but there's a lot

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Speaker 4: Like you know, Caleb and his family, they pay attention

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Speaker 4: Maybe I'm on an island here, but I don't love

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Speaker 6: I mean, look, clearly at the beginning of the preseason,

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Speaker 12: You know?

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Speaker 3: Is he really not that good?

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Speaker 6: That talk was preferable, in Ben Johnson's eyes, to him

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Speaker 6: Head coach, right, so you sit back for twenty years

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Speaker 6: on Caleb William, Yeah, we don't know yet.

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Speaker 4: The most recent example, and it's not apples to apples,

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Speaker 4: place the year.

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Speaker 3: Prior, go at an office. He's got a great parking spot.

439
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Speaker 4: Peyton comes in, Yeah, that's all squashed, and they butted

440
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Speaker 4: heads and I listen, people won't admit it, but I'm

441
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Speaker 4: pretty sure Ben and Caleb are butting heads a little bit.

442
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Speaker 4: Caleb is I mean, this guy was a five star recruit.

443
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Speaker 4: He goes to Oklahoma supplant Spencer Rattler. Hey, you're going

444
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Speaker 4: to USC Lincoln, I'm coming with you. Wins a superstar,

445
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Speaker 4: winning everything, number one pick coddled last year. I just

446
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Speaker 4: I'm very curious to see how this shakes out.

447
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Speaker 3: First month.

448
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Speaker 4: Remember Tyson Bagent got a surprising little contract there.

449
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Speaker 3: Yeah, what like a week ago, two weeks ago.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a great story on its own.

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Speaker 4: By the way, Yes, indeed, all right, let's go to

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Speaker 4: Rachel with the news.

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Speaker 5: No, no, turn on the news.

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Speaker 2: This is the headline news.

455
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Speaker 6: Arch Banning will make his highly highly anticipated debut as

456
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Speaker 6: a long runs unquestioned starter on Saturday at Ohio State.

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Speaker 3: Right here on Fox.

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Speaker 6: Obviously, he's had relatively little experience at the college level,

459
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Speaker 6: but that hasn't stopped Buckeye's coach Ryan Day from talking

460
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Speaker 6: him up.

461
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Speaker 13: And with arch man, athletic, big strong, arm, smart, quick release, accurate,

462
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Speaker 13: you know all the above. I mean, he checks every box.

463
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Speaker 13: I think they had their mindset up that they wanted

464
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Speaker 13: to play, you know, down South and wet a little

465
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Speaker 13: bit here and there for sure with his dad, Cooper,

466
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Speaker 13: but but not a whole bunch. He kind of had

467
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Speaker 13: his mindset But but yeah, heck of a player.

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Speaker 6: Ryan Day, referring to the fact that he also tried

469
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Speaker 6: to recruit arch Manning Jason. I'm not sure if any

470
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Speaker 6: other highly touted college quarterback has ever had their sort

471
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Speaker 6: of debut as the official QB one against such tough competition, right,

472
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Speaker 6: I mean, normally you get that parade of cupcakes when

473
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Speaker 6: you start, especially when they're trying to get easy guy in.

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Speaker 6: And this time around, we've got the College Football Committee

475
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Speaker 6: saying strength of schedule, strength of schedule, and we have

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Speaker 6: this kind of matchup. Do you think are you going

477
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Speaker 6: to take into account who he's playing against when you

478
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Speaker 6: evaluate him week one or are you just going to say,

479
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Speaker 6: how's he do?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, even if he's terrible, Let's say he's fourteen of

481
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Speaker 4: twenty eight hundred and fifty yards, they lose by twenty,

482
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Speaker 4: like this is against Ohio State.

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Speaker 3: Now the opposite Rachel, Let's be positive if he goes

484
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Speaker 3: in there, throw us for three hundred yards and they win.

485
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Speaker 4: I think this hype machine's going to get out of control,

486
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Speaker 4: next level stuff.

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Speaker 3: It's just such a fascinating matchup. It's very exciting. Listen.

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Speaker 4: We usually don't have to wait this long for a

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Speaker 4: guy to make his big, splashy debut. If he had

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Speaker 4: played against Georgia or who the if it's Clemson, I

491
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Speaker 4: don't think we would be as excited.

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Speaker 3: But he's kind of still a mystery, right, and.

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Speaker 6: Most guys were this highly touted go on to have

494
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Speaker 6: great careers. You, I know, have been a little skeptical

495
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Speaker 6: about what do we even know about this guy?

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Speaker 3: Already?

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Speaker 4: I don't want to be too scared. We got some

498
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Speaker 4: Texas guys on staff. You're very confident there. But we'll

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Speaker 4: see Arch Banning noon on Fox Saturday.

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Speaker 3: Cannot wait. I haven't been great game.

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Speaker 6: I'm super pumped about this. All right, Let's talk about

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Speaker 6: forty nine ers. We know they love Rock Purdy. They

503
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Speaker 6: just gave him a five year, two hundred and sixty

504
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Speaker 6: five million dollar contract extension.

505
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Speaker 3: But former Niner pro Bolivernon.

506
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Speaker 6: Davis going a step further, he said, pretty quote makes

507
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Speaker 6: great decisions. He's very accurate. His attitude toward the game

508
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 6: is amazing. I'd compare him to Drew Brees.

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Speaker 3: J Maack, what do you think of that Hall of

510
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 3: Fame Drew Brees? Is that same Drew Brees? That would

511
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Speaker 3: be that true. Make sure he didn't have a brother brother.

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Speaker 4: Sometimes you know this, you've been in sports long enough.

513
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Speaker 4: Rage like you just picked somebody and you're like, I

514
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Speaker 4: like this guy.

515
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Speaker 3: I like the cut of his jib. I want to

516
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Speaker 3: rock with this guy.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna be a fan, I'm gonna follow, and I

518
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Speaker 4: for some reason, I saw that with Purdy early and

519
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Speaker 4: I was like, I like this guy, underdog, seventh round pick.

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Speaker 3: He was good at.

521
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 4: Iowa State and then but stuck around for four years,

522
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Speaker 4: kind of picked apart in the draft process.

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Speaker 3: He's just been so good.

524
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Speaker 4: And I know he's got Shannon yeah, which which certainly helps.

525
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Speaker 4: But Trey Lance was the number two pick and could

526
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Speaker 4: not work with sh in a hand, you know, So

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Speaker 4: I like Purdy.

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Speaker 3: I mean, listen, Drew Brees, is that's high praise.

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Speaker 6: Well, look, if you compare just stay within the Niners organization,

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Speaker 6: Joe Montana and Steve Young, right, I mean the icons,

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Speaker 6: the icons of the icons, right, So we don't know

532
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Speaker 6: what Rockberdy's going to turn into. I'm not in any

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Speaker 6: way saying that he's Joe Montana or Steve Young. However,

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Speaker 6: if you look at their first two seasons and you

535
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Speaker 6: match up against his first two seasons, uh oh, Ardi

536
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Speaker 6: comes out ahead right stat wise completely in the first

537
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Speaker 6: twenty six games. More wins, more accurate, more yards, more

538
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Speaker 6: and better yards per attempt, better TV to pick margin,

539
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Speaker 6: higher passer rating than Joe or Steve. Pretty interesting now,

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Speaker 6: so he is, and this is perty embrace Joe and

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Speaker 6: Steve Young, just for those first first twenty six.

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Speaker 4: Games, and then listen, Steve Young, I'm trying to think

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Speaker 4: Bill Walsh was certainly with Montana. I don't know if

544
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Speaker 4: it was the first first three, but like Bill Walsh

545
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Speaker 4: obviously a genius.

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Speaker 3: I forget who Drew Brees had early? Was it Peyton

547
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Speaker 3: that early in his for three years? Well, he is

548
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Speaker 3: at the Chargers first, that's right, he started with the Chargers.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, listen, I'm a brock pretty guy, I'm a Truther.

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Speaker 4: What can I twenty five picks that's way lower than Breese.

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Speaker 3: He's good. He's an easy guy to root for, you know,

552
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Speaker 3: no drama. There was the stories about how he was

553
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Speaker 3: making so little money.

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Speaker 4: He had like a roommate and he's driving some old

555
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Speaker 4: car like I like that stuff.

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Speaker 6: His teammates really like him. I think, to me, that's

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Speaker 6: that's one of the first things I found out about

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Speaker 6: a guy. When I'm gonna do a profile on him

559
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Speaker 6: or something like that, what does everyone around him say

560
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Speaker 6: about because that's how you know.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, if anybody writes a profile about me, they should

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Speaker 4: just ask the staff.

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Speaker 3: The staff here loves me. Oh my, we hang out

564
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Speaker 3: all the time constantly. I don't hang out with anybody.

565
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Speaker 3: I don't have a life.

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Speaker 5: Sorry.

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Speaker 6: Let's talk about another universally beloved figure. No controversy about him.

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Speaker 3: Bill Belichick.

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Speaker 6: He in North Carolina. The group says they are ready

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Speaker 6: to go for their opening game. He's giving some credit

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Speaker 6: for being ready to the program at the University of Washington.

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Speaker 6: Remember when Bill had his year off right after the NFL.

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Speaker 6: His son Steve was the defensive coordinator at U dub

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Speaker 6: Belichick was a frequent visitor practices games, actually spoke to

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Speaker 6: the team a bunch, met with certain players to give

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Speaker 6: them advice, and he called Washington a quote template to

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Speaker 6: his program.

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Speaker 3: He said the style of sort.

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Speaker 6: Of their mixing of college and pro is what really

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Speaker 6: convinced him he could do the same thing at North Carolina.

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Speaker 6: Of course, I personally would like to note that all

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Speaker 6: sounds very nice. Belichick at the end of this time,

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Speaker 6: being a guest of their program, poached for of their

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Speaker 6: players in the transfer portal and took the top two assistance.

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Speaker 5: But you know, that's fine.

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Speaker 3: He's giving them a lot of credit.

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Speaker 6: Now, what do you think sort of of this idea

588
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Speaker 6: that he didn't go to Alabama, right, He didn't go

589
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Speaker 6: TOSU to say how do you guys do it? He

590
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 6: wants to a smaller program because he felt like this

591
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Speaker 6: is more of what I want to do.

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Speaker 3: Do we know if Jordan Hudson had.

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Speaker 4: Any saying oh wow, sorry wow, why he was going

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Speaker 4: to North Carolina. But that's in because Kaylin de Boor

595
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Speaker 4: was at Washington, he's now out all of it, and

596
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Speaker 4: because they had a good team. Michael penni'x roma dun. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: they were pretty damn good and they aired it out.

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Speaker 3: That is interesting. Oh yep, I'm excited for There's so

599
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Speaker 3: much good stuff.

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Speaker 4: Happening in college football. Between Arch Manning and Belichick. Those

601
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Speaker 4: storylines they ravel a lot of the NFL stuff.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, So what's what's your guests on on UNC this year?

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Speaker 3: Like eight wins?

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Speaker 12: Ten?

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Speaker 3: Nine?

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Speaker 6: You said nine yesterday. I feel like that might I'm

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Speaker 6: more in the eighth camp maybe.

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Speaker 3: I think it's seven and a half in Vegas. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I think eight.

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Speaker 6: Let's give him the let's give him the half game,

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Speaker 6: right and.

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Speaker 3: They the Richmond or Art Yeah, exactly. Just that TCU

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Speaker 3: game Monday.

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Speaker 4: I think it's Monday is going to be a big

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Speaker 4: one because if you win that, I think the hype

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Speaker 4: machine gets excited and we're like, all right, it's all

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Speaker 4: about can we take down Clemson? You know, if Clemson

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Speaker 4: happens to lose LSU, then you get excited.

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Speaker 6: I mean, there's there's coaches of the teams on the

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Speaker 6: schedule who have an enormous amount of experience, but there

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Speaker 6: are also coaches on the teams of the schedule who

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Speaker 6: do not. And there is no situation in the game

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Speaker 6: of football that Bill Belichick has not been in where

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Speaker 6: he will not know exactly what to do in exactly

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Speaker 6: the right moment with the exactly right stringed pull. And

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Speaker 6: in addition, to everything about the program and the players

628
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Speaker 6: and the transfers and all the stuff that in second

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Speaker 6: split decision decision making I think is going to be

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Speaker 6: a factor to his success.

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Speaker 3: I'm with you, Rachel with the news.

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Speaker 2: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The

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Speaker 2: Herd Line News.

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Speaker 13: All right.

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Speaker 4: Coming up next, we're going to talk to a former

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Speaker 4: NFL GM What is the endgame in Dallas?

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Speaker 3: With Micah and Jerry. That's next.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd Weekdays

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Speaker 2: and Noone Easter not a Empacific.

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Speaker 3: Back here on the I heard Oh boy, this next guest.

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Speaker 4: He is one of the most accomplished front office guys

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Speaker 4: in recent NFL history. He's worked at he's currently working

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Speaker 4: with UVA, Iowa and Utah.

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Speaker 3: Scott Pioli.

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Speaker 4: Let's bring him in work with the Falcon chiefs.

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Speaker 3: Patrick briefly, my jet, Scott. How you doing?

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Speaker 5: Man?

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Speaker 12: Jay Mackham doing great? And I know Rachel's over there,

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Speaker 12: So what's up?

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Speaker 5: Rachel? How are hey?

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Speaker 3: Scott?

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Speaker 7: How you been?

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Speaker 2: We are well?

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Speaker 12: Thank you well, thanks guys for having me. I really

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Speaker 12: really appreciate great to be here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been an awesome week. We're having a lot

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Speaker 3: of fun.

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Speaker 4: Now we're not having as much fun as Charlottesville, Virginia,

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Speaker 4: a town I know, well going up in Virginia. By

660
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Speaker 4: the way, how are things looking for the for the

661
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Speaker 4: Cabs this year?

662
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Speaker 5: Hey?

663
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Speaker 12: This is it's you know, I'm not good at predicting things,

664
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Speaker 12: and I was always you know, I never predict. But

665
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 12: I'll tell you what, being around Tony Elliott, being around

666
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 12: there athletic director Carla Williams, there is some special stuff

667
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 12: going on here. Now we never know, right if all

668
00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 12: the great stuff that's happening translates to win.

669
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Speaker 5: But I'll tell you what.

670
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Speaker 12: The way that Tony's doing things, the way that this

671
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 12: athletic department is doing things, it's going to be a

672
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Speaker 12: lot of.

673
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Speaker 3: Fun, kind of fun.

674
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Speaker 5: They just do things the right way and they work

675
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Speaker 5: on the right stuff.

676
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Speaker 4: College football is going through like a big transformational period

677
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 4: with all this nil are you I mean, as someone

678
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 4: who worked in the NFL and you're now seeing this,

679
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 4: I mean, it's like a totally different game sport almost.

680
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, Jay Mackott, it's fascinating. You know, I started

681
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 12: when I left the Falcons after the twenty nineteen draft,

682
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 12: Nick Saban hired me to come and do some work

683
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Speaker 12: for him at the University of Alabama as a consultant,

684
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 12: and then coach Kirby Kirby Smart brought me in there,

685
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 12: and then I worked for a number of different schools

686
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 12: and for Marcus up at Notre Dame. Anyway, they had

687
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 12: me doing this one thing. But as this has evolved,

688
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 12: You're right, it's becoming a lot in a lot of ways,

689
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 12: very similar to professional sports, and not just for football programs,

690
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 12: but for entire athletic departments. Right the athletic each athletic

691
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 12: department that's in these power for conferences, they have twenty

692
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 12: point five million dollars to spend, not on football, but

693
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 12: on all sports. So they're trying to figure out their

694
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 12: revenue sharing, how are they going to build their model

695
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 12: of how they're going to play pay student athletes, not

696
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,719
Speaker 12: only in football but in every sport. So I'm spending

697
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 12: some time, and I tell you, it's a lot of fun,

698
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 12: and there's so many similarities. And you know, I'm down

699
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 12: for players being paid. I absolutely think that they should be.

700
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 12: I just hope that they start to build in some

701
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 12: things that make some of the crazy a little bit

702
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Speaker 12: more certainly.

703
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Speaker 4: So, and what do you think in like building in

704
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 4: like can't transfer to multiple times or what kind of things.

705
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Speaker 3: Do you think?

706
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Speaker 2: You know?

707
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 12: The transfer thing is always so touchy, right because people

708
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 12: always go after the players when they transfer. But let's

709
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 12: remember coaches change jobs too, right, so I get the

710
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 12: transfer portal. Yet this I'm not smart enough to figure

711
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 12: out those answers. But there are people out there a

712
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 12: lot smarter than me that can figure out some of

713
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 12: the constructs that we can put in place to help

714
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 12: young people. And I'm going to sound like an old

715
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 12: man here, but to help focus on being able to

716
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 12: chase your dream, chase something, chase something better, but also

717
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 12: have a degree of commitment and accountability. And when I

718
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 12: say that, that doesn't mean the kids shouldn't be able

719
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 12: to transfer, but we need to put things in that

720
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Speaker 12: make it more sensible and easier for them to understand

721
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 12: why they're doing not just that life's gotten too tough

722
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 12: and I'm not starting so I got to go somewhere else.

723
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 12: There's a lot to it, But I really hope that

724
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Speaker 12: they continue to build things out the right way. But

725
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 12: I'm down for so much that so many of the

726
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 12: changes that they have made, and.

727
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Speaker 4: It's funny you use that phrasing. I'm not playing. I

728
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 4: want to go somewhere else. A guy you were part

729
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 4: of drafted. Tom Brady famously sat for a long time

730
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 4: at Michigan, got a chance.

731
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Speaker 3: But yeah, anyways, but you talked about it.

732
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Speaker 12: He has said publicly the fact that he was pushed

733
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Speaker 12: to go through the grind and to be uncomfortable and

734
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 12: to have to work and do more and suffer a

735
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 12: little bit. It also made him less entitled when.

736
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Speaker 5: He got there.

737
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Speaker 4: Certainly, Yeah, let's talk money and a gentleman in Dallas.

738
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Speaker 3: Michael Parsons.

739
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Speaker 4: I kind of opened the show saying, listen, I don't

740
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,479
Speaker 4: think Jerry Jones is serious about football and putting together

741
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 4: a good product.

742
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,800
Speaker 3: He cares about his name in the headlines and the valuation.

743
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 4: Of the Cowboys, because otherwise he wouldn't wait for the

744
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 4: last minute to sign Dak and Lamb and now Michael

745
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,800
Speaker 4: Parsons and it's getting ugly. Michael Parsons getting a second

746
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,879
Speaker 4: opinion on his back. His brother is tweeting out, this

747
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 4: is going twelve rounds. You've been at some ugly standoffs,

748
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 4: I assume, Oh yeah, but what's your takeaway here?

749
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:41,800
Speaker 5: Yeah?

750
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Speaker 12: Unfortunately, I have been a part of those things, and

751
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 12: I've always felt that the best thing to do is

752
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,399
Speaker 12: to say nothing publicly on either side. You don't want

753
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 12: to try to leverage people publicly. And I think once

754
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 12: one side says something, then the other side feels like

755
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 12: they have to say something and becomes this unnecessary competitiness.

756
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 5: And the bottom line is Michael wants to get paid.

757
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 12: Mike should get paid, He should get paid a lot

758
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 12: of money, and Jerry wants to pay and they just

759
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 12: have to figure this thing out. I don't know Jerry's

760
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 12: reasons for, you know, making things and doing things and

761
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,919
Speaker 12: doing business the way he does, but my instincts tell

762
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 12: me that he's he's going to make sure that he

763
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 12: gets business done at some point in time. I can't

764
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 12: believe that he would ever and that he or Steven

765
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 12: would ever let a player of Mike's ability get out

766
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 12: of that building. And the toughest things you bring up,

767
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 12: J Mack is you just hope during these kind of

768
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 12: you know, these controversial negotiations, you just need to work

769
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 12: as hard as possible to keep family business family business,

770
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,879
Speaker 12: because inevitably, if you talk publicly, someone's going to say

771
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 12: something that hurts the other side, and you hope that

772
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 12: you can reel that stuff in later on.

773
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Speaker 4: So I'm obsessed with team building. I really love talking

774
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Speaker 4: about this stuff. And we have a graphic. I hope

775
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 4: they could pull it that we used earlier in the

776
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 4: show about that twenty twenty one draft class that Michael

777
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 4: Parsons was in, and listens, Scott, all the best guys, Trevor, Lawrence,

778
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 4: Jamar Chase, Patrick, schurt In, they all were paid early.

779
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 3: Right now, you get that out.

780
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Speaker 5: Of the way.

781
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 4: Listen, you worked in front offices. There's one guy of

782
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:22,399
Speaker 4: all the stars from this draft class in the first

783
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 4: round who has not been paid. There's also one guy

784
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 4: who's been the pro three times, only one and it's

785
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 4: Michael Parsons.

786
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 5: So yeah, you know that.

787
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Speaker 12: I can't I can't say I agree with the way

788
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 12: that business is getting done.

789
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Speaker 5: And I here's the thing.

790
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Speaker 12: If you pay someone early, it's going to be at

791
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,879
Speaker 12: a discount because where wherever the tide is right now,

792
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 12: however high it is right now, it's going to be

793
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 12: less next year. And that's with every position because every

794
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 12: year we read, every single position, every year has a

795
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 12: new record setting contract done in its position.

796
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Speaker 5: That's the way it happens.

797
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 12: So the earlier that you get a deal done, the

798
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 12: more potential savings. Is it cash out the door right now?

799
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,879
Speaker 12: Yes it is, but there's more potential savings. And you know,

800
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 12: I don't know too many teams that have signed really

801
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 12: good players that maintain playing well where it ends up

802
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:16,919
Speaker 12: being a bad deal.

803
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:17,800
Speaker 5: The only bad.

804
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 12: Deals is when when the player stinks it up or

805
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:23,399
Speaker 12: the player gets injured, and then it doesn't work out.

806
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,879
Speaker 12: So I'm all about the and that's how we were

807
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 12: most every place I ever worked.

808
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 5: You tried to get the contracts done. You've brought Tom

809
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 5: Brady before.

810
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 12: We got that deal done early, and because we did,

811
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 12: he was not only did he give us a discount,

812
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 12: but because of the market that we negotiated the contract in,

813
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 12: it was a discount just naturally.

814
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

815
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 4: I again, I don't want to call out Jerry Jones

816
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,399
Speaker 4: too much. He's kind of powerful. But Scott, when you

817
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 4: just think about that, which you just said, everywhere I've

818
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 4: worked for the last twenty years, and you work with

819
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 4: a lot of champs, that's how they do business. He

820
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 4: seems to be the only one not doing it that way.

821
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 4: Is there any guess as to why other than he

822
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 4: likes Fen's name in the headlines.

823
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 5: No, but here's the other thing. I'll say. Here's the

824
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 5: other thing.

825
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 12: He's a billionaire for a reason, so he knows how

826
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 12: to do business right. He has done something right or

827
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 12: a bunch of somethings right when it comes to business

828
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 12: to make money. He didn't just fall off the turnip truck.

829
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 12: He's done some smart things in his life to make money.

830
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 12: Why he does it this way, I don't know. And

831
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 12: I'm also not very good at speculating as to why

832
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 12: people make certain decisions, so you know, to do business

833
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 12: a certain way. But you know, Jerry has clearly done

834
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 12: business that I have because I'm not looking at the

835
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 12: bank account that he is.

836
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,720
Speaker 4: Well, you know, okay, we won't get it as billionaire status,

837
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 4: but I want to quick the pivot.

838
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 3: I totally forgot about this.

839
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 4: So we talked about Brock party yesterday, and I am

840
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 4: a Brock prety guy. I don't mind gassing him up.

841
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 4: I feel like I can rock with this guy. I

842
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 4: love his story. You were with Brady in the early

843
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 4: years when he took over for blood Sell, and I

844
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,879
Speaker 4: keep trying to tell people like I I'm a nerdy sports.

845
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 3: Fan following the league.

846
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 4: Tom Brady, despite winning that for Super Bowl, was thought

847
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 4: of as a game manager for several years.

848
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,280
Speaker 3: Isn't that what the storyline was with Brady, like, hey,

849
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 3: bloods it was.

850
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, But again, Revisions Revision's.

851
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 12: History on things is very interesting, and with Tommy, you know,

852
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 12: it was it was interesting he was And again, a

853
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 12: game manager isn't a bad thing. When you call the

854
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 12: game manager, that generally means you're doing a lot of

855
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 12: really smart stuff, you're making a lot of really good decisions,

856
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 12: and you're winning football games usually. And with Brady, he

857
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,800
Speaker 12: was still developing. And I think that's the there's different

858
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 12: kind of game managers. Is it a game manager that's developing?

859
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,879
Speaker 12: And again, I've never I don't know why people get

860
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 12: insulted by game managing, you know, being called gay managers,

861
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 12: because that's part of the job of being the quarterback.

862
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 12: That's part of what you have to do. When we

863
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 12: started things early on, Tommy was still developing. He was

864
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,320
Speaker 12: developing his skills, he was developing his accuracy, he was

865
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 12: developing his foot movement, his movement in the pocket, and

866
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 12: we had a really good defense. People forget that we

867
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 12: had a twelve hundred yard rusher in Antoine Smith. We

868
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 12: had a really really good defense and he was surrounded

869
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 12: by good people and good players. Therefore, that made his

870
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 12: development better. And the other thing about player development, particularly

871
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:23,800
Speaker 12: at the quarterback position, I still believe it's very much circumstantial.

872
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 12: And Tommy was in the right program for him and

873
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 12: he was the right guy for us.

874
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Speaker 5: So it wasn't one or the other. And it wasn't

875
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 5: just Tommy and Bill.

876
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 12: I mean, Dick Raybon did an incredible job working with

877
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 12: him his first year.

878
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 5: Charlie Weiss did an incredible job.

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Speaker 12: He also did a super job of play calling to

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Speaker 12: the strengths of Tom Brady. And that's what Kyle Shanahan

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Speaker 12: is doing with Rock Party. You know, I think quarterbacks

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Speaker 12: need to end up in the right situations and the

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Speaker 12: right people. It has to be the right marriage, and

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Speaker 12: he gives them a chance to develop. And there's a

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Speaker 12: lot of things that are really right for per you know,

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Speaker 12: between Kyle and Bobby Turner, their running back coach, and

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Speaker 12: what Kyle learned from his dad Mike, they know the

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Speaker 12: running game. They are incredible in the running game, which

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Speaker 12: allows them to play action pass which really helps purty

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Speaker 12: in terms of his protection and how much time he has,

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Speaker 12: so it all kind of works together.

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Speaker 5: J MaTx.

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Speaker 3: I love that. That what a great answer.

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Speaker 4: And I don't want to act like game manager's derogatory,

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Speaker 4: but when these quarterback lists come out Scott, it's always like,

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Speaker 4: oh yeah, Brock, perty's like ten to eighteen and I'm like, guys,

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Speaker 4: he's been dominant for three years.

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Speaker 5: And Jamack here one hundred percent.

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Speaker 12: Right.

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Speaker 5: Here's the other thing is look at how many games

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Speaker 5: he's won.

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Speaker 12: And more importantly, one of our sayings was always you know,

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Speaker 12: you end up losing more.

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Speaker 5: Games than you win.

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Speaker 12: Yeah. Right, And when you look at those quarterbacks, how

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Speaker 12: many games have they lost? I'm not talking about wins

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Speaker 12: and losses, but do they lose you games? Are they

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Speaker 12: doing dumb things in order for you to lose games?

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Speaker 5: That's not what you're looking for it. Brock doesn't do that.

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Speaker 4: I hope people will listening to Scott, the only longtime

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Speaker 4: NFL fixture in front offices.

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Speaker 3: Great stuff and enjoy the college seasons, buddy.

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Speaker 8: J Max.

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Speaker 5: Thanks very much, Rachel, take care, see you Scott.

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Speaker 3: Coming up next College football Tiers