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Speaker 1: After a long combine, but but a very up productive one.

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Speaker 1: uh inside outside, creative, his release. I thought he was

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00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:50,120
Speaker 1: more of a glider than than a burst guy. Very efficient, clean,

431
00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:53,560
Speaker 1: catches a bunch of back shoulders. Um, but I did

432
00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:56,719
Speaker 1: not see the dynamic athlete that we saw test, you know.

433
00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,119
Speaker 1: So that again that comes back to trying to figure out,

434
00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:01,600
Speaker 1: Okay was he healthy, you talk about high ankle Um.

435
00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:03,399
Speaker 1: That's what this time of year is about. It's like

436
00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:05,359
Speaker 1: you're trying to put the pieces of the puzzle together

437
00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:08,399
Speaker 1: of of why somebody you know maybe didn't plays as

438
00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:10,080
Speaker 1: well as he tested. You gotta go back and do

439
00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:12,680
Speaker 1: your homework. Yeah, And I think this is what the

440
00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:15,720
Speaker 1: combine is meant for. A lot of people think that

441
00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:19,119
Speaker 1: when we talk about the combine um, the Olympics and

442
00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:22,359
Speaker 1: stuff matter. No, it's really a stopping point and a

443
00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:26,359
Speaker 1: re checkpoint. It's a checkpoint is Oh, this guy talks.

444
00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:30,040
Speaker 1: So if you're a director with the team, Hey, the

445
00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:32,840
Speaker 1: guy who is responsible for the Midwest, Uh, tell me

446
00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:35,080
Speaker 1: a little bit about Donovan People's jones because on our

447
00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:37,239
Speaker 1: board we don't have him as high. Like what are

448
00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:39,880
Speaker 1: we missing about him? And at that point, that's when

449
00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:42,640
Speaker 1: the scout reads the report, talks about the injuries, talks

450
00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:45,560
Speaker 1: about the lack of performance and production and those things,

451
00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:49,840
Speaker 1: and then he kind of gives us a picture as

452
00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:53,560
Speaker 1: to why his production and performance doesn't match what we

453
00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:57,000
Speaker 1: saw at the combine. Um. I think is is really

454
00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:00,520
Speaker 1: solid because and looking at my notes on Donovan People's Jones, Uh,

455
00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:03,520
Speaker 1: I think my grade was right around the third round.

456
00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:06,919
Speaker 1: But DJ in a in a class that's so crowded,

457
00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:10,000
Speaker 1: you just wonder where you get picked. And so, um,

458
00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:13,000
Speaker 1: I did a thing on on radio or someone asked

459
00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:15,000
Speaker 1: Card and asked me about him, and I said, look,

460
00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,639
Speaker 1: the range is gonna be three through five just because

461
00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:20,760
Speaker 1: there's so many guys. It just depends on color, flavor

462
00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:22,960
Speaker 1: of ice cream, like what flavor do you like? What

463
00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,480
Speaker 1: do you want? Um? He fits though. He's a really

464
00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:30,119
Speaker 1: really interesting, interesting prospect based on his athleticism and those things,

465
00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:33,720
Speaker 1: no doubt. All right, how about anybody else? Okay, so

466
00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:35,840
Speaker 1: this is at a time where we're talking about running

467
00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:37,680
Speaker 1: backs and the running backs that we want are kind

468
00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:39,760
Speaker 1: of the guys that can do everything, three down backs

469
00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:42,520
Speaker 1: or whatever. However, there's still a place in this league

470
00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:45,320
Speaker 1: for the old school banger we saw where Derrick Henry

471
00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:47,800
Speaker 1: was able to do for Tennessee Titans. I think a J.

472
00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:51,800
Speaker 1: Dealon will benefit from Derrick Henry's success. When a J.

473
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:55,399
Speaker 1: Dialon tests and the way that he tested, you just

474
00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,400
Speaker 1: don't see guys do this. And in fact, the combine

475
00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:02,160
Speaker 1: comparison is a J. Dialon and Derrick Brown Dylan six

476
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:06,000
Speaker 1: oh three eights to forty seven four or five forty

477
00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:09,560
Speaker 1: forty one in vertical, ten eleven broad jump, and he

478
00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:12,760
Speaker 1: did twenty three reps on the bench. Those numbers are

479
00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:16,400
Speaker 1: almost identical to Derrick Henry six two and five as

480
00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:20,800
Speaker 1: to seven five forty thirty seven inch vertical for Henry

481
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:24,119
Speaker 1: tin ten broad jump, twenty two bench reps. When you

482
00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:27,320
Speaker 1: think about a big man that is able to move

483
00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:31,480
Speaker 1: and is explosive like that, it is terrifying to imagine

484
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,720
Speaker 1: what he could do to a defense that's beginning to

485
00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:37,119
Speaker 1: wear down. We saw how Derek Henry's game kind of

486
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,879
Speaker 1: picked up the last half of the season. When it

487
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:43,280
Speaker 1: gets told cold and teams get beat up, that's when

488
00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,280
Speaker 1: the Bangers kind of become more prominent fixtures in the

489
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:50,160
Speaker 1: offensive game plan. A J. Dillon really really helped himself.

490
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,760
Speaker 1: It will take a team that has a specific need

491
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:56,520
Speaker 1: for that big downhill back, But in my mind, he's

492
00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 1: kind of like the James Conner, a third round back

493
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 1: that you have a clear picture for. This is my guy.

494
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 1: That is my four minute offense guy, my short yndage

495
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:07,360
Speaker 1: goal line guy. He is the guy that when we're

496
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 1: trying to assault the game away. This is when a J.

497
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,640
Speaker 1: Dillon comes out to play. Yeah, an interesting thing when

498
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,920
Speaker 1: you compare him to Derrick Henry Buck is the production too.

499
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 1: I mean, think about Derrick Henry Win in the Heisman.

500
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 1: A J. Dillon went for five yards fourteen touchdowns last year. So, um,

501
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,120
Speaker 1: you know it's it. That's a lot of production. And

502
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,680
Speaker 1: you know, three straight years over a thousand yards thirty

503
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,919
Speaker 1: eight career touchdowns. So he's got legit college production to

504
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:34,880
Speaker 1: go with legit heightweight speed. Um, He's not elusive. He's

505
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:36,679
Speaker 1: not gonna beat you that way. He's not much of

506
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,200
Speaker 1: a factor at all in the passing game. Um, but

507
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:41,360
Speaker 1: like you said, if you want to have that role

508
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,480
Speaker 1: for that back. As we continue to see teams using

509
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:46,639
Speaker 1: a two and three man group, this guy can just

510
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:48,679
Speaker 1: wear you out. And the thing I like about it

511
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:50,399
Speaker 1: is is not only is he just gonna wear you

512
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 1: out three and four or five yards at a time,

513
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 1: he's got legit speed to go take it the distance.

514
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 1: So uh, you break a tackle, Uh, he's gone. So

515
00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 1: that's ah. It's interesting. It's a very intriguing, interesting player

516
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 1: who I had had have been that third round range.

517
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 1: It wouldn't shock me if he got into it. It

518
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 1: wouldn't shock me if he got into What a shock

519
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,199
Speaker 1: you if he's snuck into two? No. I think for

520
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,400
Speaker 1: the way the league is is kind of reverting back

521
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,639
Speaker 1: like see, he would be a perfect fit in the

522
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 1: old way that Jacksonville played. I think he could he

523
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 1: could play with some of these teams that are beginning

524
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 1: to use more two back sets. Um. The only thing

525
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 1: that you kind of worry about when when you have

526
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 1: a runner like this, I'm looking at his carries three

527
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:32,360
Speaker 1: eighteen as a freshman to twenty seven uh last year.

528
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:34,439
Speaker 1: You have three eighteen last year to twenties seven and

529
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 1: eighteen three hundred uh in seventeen man, that's a lot

530
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 1: of carries. But he's been fairly durable. He's a banger.

531
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 1: He's rough and ruggy, good balancing body control. I really

532
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 1: liked him when I watched the tape, but also know

533
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 1: exactly what he is. Um. He's a role player. UM

534
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 1: that has a very very specific role in the team.

535
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 1: Will likes to play smashed my football. Yeah, it's funny.

536
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 1: I'm going back through this funding back group. I feel

537
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,919
Speaker 1: like we called our shot on cam Akers with phenomenal

538
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,399
Speaker 1: work out. Um, he's he's very much in that mix.

539
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 1: He's gonna he's gonna be a second round pick. Um

540
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 1: d J. Dallas was one that I loved in past protection.

541
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,360
Speaker 1: I aint to see how fast he was fast enough

542
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 1: seventeen pounds, and then I thought the interesting one because

543
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 1: we've talked about these two guys at that position side

544
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,159
Speaker 1: by side, right, Zack Moss and Keyshawn Vaughan. Uh And

545
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 1: Moss ran four six five and which is what we expected. Uh.

546
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 1: Vaughn ran four five one, So he had a little

547
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 1: more juice than uh that I anticipated there. And obviously

548
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 1: Mosses is nine pounds heavier to fourteen for Vaughn. But again,

549
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 1: fun to kind of watch these guys kind of go

550
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,440
Speaker 1: through the process together and he kind of figure out

551
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 1: which one you like better? Yeah, like it? It is.

552
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,159
Speaker 1: It's fun to watch it. And there are a lot

553
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 1: of these running backs debt um right, team right, running

554
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:52,399
Speaker 1: back by community situation, they can have success in the league.

555
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 1: Um Zack Moss is exactly what I thought he was.

556
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 1: I didn't think he was gonna test well in terms

557
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:58,359
Speaker 1: of his forty time, but he is my kind of

558
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 1: running back when it comes to be a physical grinded

559
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 1: that finishes because the polishes guys at the end of runs.

560
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:05,880
Speaker 1: I love those kind of running backs, and so there's

561
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,359
Speaker 1: a value to him and what he can bring it

562
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,159
Speaker 1: in Keisha and Vaughan is a little different because Keishaw

563
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 1: Vaughn to me is kind of a change of pace back.

564
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,399
Speaker 1: He is not necessarily the lead horse, but he's the

565
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 1: compliment that comes in, does a little bit of everything.

566
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,119
Speaker 1: Uh runs, it does maybe some of the James White

567
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 1: type stuff for the Patriots. Um, just a really good, solid,

568
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:31,399
Speaker 1: complimentary back. Um. You know, the value is kind of

569
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 1: like borderline Day two, day three, but just a really

570
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 1: really good and productive football player. All right, before we

571
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 1: get to these quarterback interviews, um, and we'll talk about

572
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,360
Speaker 1: what we saw at the quarterback position at the combine.

573
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,680
Speaker 1: Just big picture takeaways here to me, Like, if you're

574
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 1: gonna say the three positions, the three positions that were

575
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 1: the winners of the combine, I would say wide receivers

576
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 1: delivered as we expected. Offensive tackle was phenomenal. I mean,

577
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 1: the best group of tackles we've seen in a long time,

578
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,959
Speaker 1: with a lot of depth. And then I put linebackers

579
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 1: in their third I thought the linebacker group we thought

580
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: would be okay, buck, it's not okay, it's really good.

581
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 1: And these guys ran really well at that position off

582
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 1: the ball linebackers when I'm talking about here, it was

583
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:16,880
Speaker 1: it was an outstanding group. Yeah, better than anticipated performances

584
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 1: from the linebacker crew. Um uh Man. I might have

585
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 1: been on record talking on the show the other day,

586
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 1: like people that asked this is before they worked out

587
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 1: about the linebacker crew, and I talked about managed to

588
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 1: drop off, like there's a huge drop off after you

589
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 1: get pass the first two or three. Um, you may

590
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:31,919
Speaker 1: have to rush people at the board, but then you

591
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:33,439
Speaker 1: go and you watch them, You're like, man, there are

592
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 1: a lot of guys to choose from in terms of

593
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: the athleticism and those things, and the way the league

594
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 1: has trended with so many guys at the position needing

595
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 1: to be able to be sideline the sideline players that

596
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,159
Speaker 1: can kind of run and cover and do some of

597
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,199
Speaker 1: those things. There's enough athleticism in the class to be

598
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: able to do some really really creative things. Now it's

599
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 1: about picking the right guy for for what you want

600
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 1: to do. And the the offensive tackle class. The offensive

601
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:58,880
Speaker 1: tackle class, we knew it was deep, and we talked

602
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 1: about it being kind of top heavy UM, the overall

603
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,879
Speaker 1: athleticism that we're seeing at the offensive tackle position. I

604
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 1: believe in the first round, six guys ago maybe UM

605
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 1: and winning, Yeah, winning out take the tackle, UM, if

606
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 1: you have any concerns or questions, just because of the

607
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: depth of the offensive tackle class, and we talked about

608
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:22,719
Speaker 1: it being top heavy, I would take a tackle, then

609
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 1: come back and get one to skill guys, uh, just

610
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: because if you need a wide receiver, there's so many

611
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,120
Speaker 1: of them that I think you can get uh comfortable

612
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 1: value UM there uh DJ. I didn't want to bring

613
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: this up because people always like to talk about winners

614
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: and losers and guys that we need to kind of

615
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: just check out and see a little more from UM.

616
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 1: There are a couple of guys that stood up to me.

617
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 1: One uh, Levisco Channault was not as explosive as I

618
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 1: thought he was in terms of just being able to run.

619
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 1: I'm not really dang. His quarterback was almost as fast

620
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 1: as he was. But yeah, I'm not really worried about that.

621
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 1: I'm not going to overreact because what we saw on tape, Like,

622
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: I'm more willing to kind of lean on that. But

623
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 1: four or five eight, when you have a bunch of

624
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 1: blazers kind of doing it just hoind to set them apart.

625
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 1: Especially when you're talking about Levisca potentially being a first

626
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: round prospect. I think that brings him down a little bit.

627
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: And then I'm not gonna lie because this kid took

628
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: um exception to not being considered the number one tied

629
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 1: in the class, and that is Hunter Bryant from Washington.

630
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 1: I was not overly impressed with the athleticism. Um, when

631
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 1: you're undersized and undersized, yeah, undersized about traditional measurements six

632
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 1: too tight end. You need to be able to fly

633
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: if you can be a difference maker. Um. Not very explosive,

634
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 1: not um dynamic when you see him kind of move

635
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 1: around and change directions, and so for me, I don't

636
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 1: I don't know what you do with him in comparison

637
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: to these other guys. And then Jerry Pinckney, another tied

638
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 1: end from Vanderbilt. UM, I was kind of cooling on

639
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: him after watching him at the Senior Bowl. But man

640
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: at four not six at the combine definitely definitely makes

641
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: it hard to kind of get a major endorsement sponsor

642
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: for him. Well, I'll tell you what the On that note,

643
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 1: Cameron Danceler, Buck, I didn't. You know, we talked about

644
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: him before, and I was like, man, I watched him

645
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 1: early in the season, and I watched him against it.

646
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 1: I didn't watch him against teams that weren't very good,

647
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I just kind of I parked him

648
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: in like the fourth, fifth round and I just didn't

649
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:17,959
Speaker 1: see it. And then you know, Lance talking about how

650
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: well he played in some of the bigger games, like, Okay, well,

651
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 1: I don't have time yet after the combine. I'm gonna

652
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 1: circle back four six four Buck. He's a eight pounds.

653
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 1: He ran four six four. He's got a lot of

654
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 1: work of his pro day, dude to try and get

655
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: back up into that mix. And I'm still gonna go

656
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 1: back and watch some more of him, because I you know,

657
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 1: we see what see what we see on the tape.

658
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 1: But that's the matters more at that position any other position.

659
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 1: And that's a tough one to sell. It's hard. So

660
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 1: here's an interesting stat on Cameron Danceler hundred three quarterbacks

661
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 1: and run the forty and four six slow at the

662
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 1: NFL Combine between two thousand and nine and two thousand nineteen.

663
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: Only one of those players was a first round pick.

664
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: Four of those players made the Pro Bowl. That's Richard Sherman,

665
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 1: Josh Norman, Brandon Browner, and Joe Twenty four of those players,

666
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: twenty four or the one hundred and three were selected

667
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 1: in rounds five through seven, and sixty four of those

668
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: players went undrafted, so DJ eight eight of those one

669
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: hundred and three players were drafted fifth round or later. Man,

670
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: you're talking about me having to go back and do

671
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: some work. I had him fifth on my list. Like now,

672
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 1: I really have to go back and look at the

673
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: tape and really see, like, hey, is this guy what

674
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: some have told me when it comes to his value

675
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: as a prospect? And I had to I we all

676
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: have him Buck, I had uh Stanford Samuel's is like

677
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 1: I thought he had third round type talent. I didn't

678
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: understand nobody in the league liked him. I mean, I

679
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 1: think Lance liked him maybe a little bit too um,

680
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: but I liked him a lot. I thought, Okay, this

681
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 1: guy's he's got size, length, he's got production, um, he's fluid.

682
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 1: I thought he had a little bit of juice. He

683
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: I watched him against Surrot, the receiver from Wake Forest,

684
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: and I was like, this guy can play. Buck. He

685
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: ran four six five and it was a slow four

686
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 1: six five. There was no pop, no juice whatsoever. We

687
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: were joking with Dion like he's, you know, he graduated

688
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 1: a safety. You might not know it yet, but he's

689
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: gonna be safety. I mean it's I mean, so it

690
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: just happens. I mean in that position, it matters. Now.

691
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: Joe Hayden, if you remember you were just mentioned his

692
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: name a minute ago, he went to his protay and

693
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: ran high four threes. So I know, this whole new

694
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: combine set up. Some guys felt dead, dead legged by

695
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: the time they got to the end of the day

696
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: and they were running. Um. So maybe we'll see some

697
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: of these guys clean this stuff up at their pro days. Um.

698
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 1: But last thing I'll mention here Buck, speaking of graduations,

699
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: I do want to, uh, I should send a graduation

700
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 1: gift to Tristan Worth's because on my list, he officially

701
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: graduated from guard to tackle. After that workout, I had

702
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 1: questions about this dude playing plan tackle. I knew he'd

703
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: be explosive. I knew he everybody said he you know,

704
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: he's gonna test well and all that. I put all

705
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 1: that to the to the side the field workout, watching

706
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,719
Speaker 1: him redirect, change directions, play with knee bend, all that stuff.

707
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 1: That was a tackle. That was a left tackle work out.

708
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: So um, he graduated, Yeah, he graduated. He was like

709
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: he was, he was really impressive. UM. I liked him tape.

710
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 1: I like the way that he was able to climb

711
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 1: and move and and and all of those things. Um.

712
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 1: I think it was an eye opening workout. I think

713
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: the interesting thing will be at the top because I

714
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: felt like all those tackles, UM showed enough that if

715
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: you were they all go. If you're carrying the flag

716
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: for Wheels or Worth's or Beckton, Um, it was easy

717
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: to get excited about any of those guys and it

718
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: just be interesting. And like obviously we we can do

719
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 1: the straw pole where we kind of tag our buddies

720
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 1: and asked a man, how do you have those guys

721
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: ranked on the board, because I can I can envision

722
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: scenarios where you have a different guy on the board

723
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: and all those in all those rooms and be honest

724
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: with you, to be honest with Andrew Thomas. Andrew Thomas

725
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: is coming up for me, Uman, he's my coming into

726
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: the comedy. He was my twenty one player, he's gonna

727
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: move up pretty significantly. So I've got I've got Beckton

728
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 1: who was you know, it's a freak running of five

729
00:33:56,600 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 1: one oh at his size three sixty four pounds. Uh

730
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 1: Wills who ran a five oh five, had a phenomenal

731
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: workout from Alabama Worth's. We've talked about what he did.

732
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 1: Um he was my third one. And then you go

733
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 1: down to Andrew Thomas who ran a five to two,

734
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 1: which is it was just still a good time at

735
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: three fifteen pounds and moved well in the workout. Austin

736
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: Jackson ran a five oh seven and had a good workout.

737
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 1: I thought Justin Jones it was a five to seven,

738
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: it was a solid you know. To me, that was

739
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:29,359
Speaker 1: more the kind of one of those borderline. I don't

740
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 1: think he's the top half of the first round guy.

741
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: I think he's got a chance to maybe go on

742
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,320
Speaker 1: the back end of one. Uh, if not one, then two.

743
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: But these guys all had solid, solid workouts in Ezrac Cleveland.

744
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 1: Uh kind of put his name on the map a

745
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: little bit with what he did. So that's a that

746
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 1: is a really good group. Uh. Siddiq Charles from l

747
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,959
Speaker 1: s U ran five oh five at three d twenty

748
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 1: one pounds. Isaiah Wilson, who I think probably goes in

749
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 1: the second round at three fifty ran five three too.

750
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: I mean buck, it's a Jack Driscoll from Auburn ran

751
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 1: five oh two. Matt Parrott from Connecticut ran five oh six.

752
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,839
Speaker 1: Like it was ridiculous how good this group was. So

753
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 1: it's funny, Um, our top four are the same into

754
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 1: just a little different order. Like Wills. I have Wills, Worths, Thomas,

755
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: and Beckton Um, and I mean like the grades and

756
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: the funny thing that the grades are all the same

757
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: For me, I just have him stacked like that. But

758
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 1: I gave all of them virtually the exact same grade.

759
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 1: So now it just comes down to style reference and

760
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 1: system fit and those things. Um. Jones from Houston I

761
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: had as my fifth guy, but Austin Jackson h rand

762
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 1: as a conversation. I had done some work on Austin

763
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 1: Jackson or whatever before, and you see the talent, you

764
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: see all of this stuff. But when I had the

765
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 1: conversation with him DJ, it kind of made sense to

766
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:49,879
Speaker 1: me why his play was a little up and down.

767
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 1: This year. He had the bone marrow surgery for his

768
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 1: sister prior to the season, and when I talked to him,

769
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 1: he said, man, I never really was right, um during

770
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 1: this season. Like I worked to get back, but I

771
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: wasn't really in shape and it took a lot out

772
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 1: of me. And you know, like that's the the information

773
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: that maybe the area scout gets when he goes in there.

774
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:11,760
Speaker 1: For us on the outside, you don't get that information.

775
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 1: We don't get more of that information until later. But

776
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,399
Speaker 1: I think it changes a little bit um in terms

777
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: of maybe how harsh I may have graded him. I

778
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: think you kind of go back and hey, let's look

779
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 1: at all of it. Let's see if we can check

780
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: out his his last two years and kind of add

781
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 1: some of that in there and see, um what he

782
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 1: was and where you could project him to be. But

783
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 1: Austin Jackson is certainly gonna be the beneficiary of a

784
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 1: solid workout. That conversation in the first round is real. Um,

785
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,760
Speaker 1: Like we said six maybe seven going to first round.

786
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if that took place. All right,

787
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: Let's let's have a quick discussion here before we get

788
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: to these interviews. Just the quarterbacks, Um, just your takeaways

789
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 1: from watching the quarterbacks that we saw out there workout well.

790
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I think I think it kind of comes

791
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:58,280
Speaker 1: down to three guys UM that we get excited about.

792
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 1: I think Justin Herbert wouldn't love and the last guy

793
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,399
Speaker 1: would be Jalen Hurst in terms of how they threw

794
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: the ball at the common workouts to a ton of

795
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: Valoa and Joe Burrow didn't work out. So it gave

796
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 1: us a chance to really narrow focus and look at

797
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: those guys. Justin Herbert to me through the ball, well,

798
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: I was very very impressed with how he threw it.

799
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: I was impressed with how he moved around. His athleticism

800
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 1: has started to show through and come through since the

801
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,800
Speaker 1: end of the year. We talked about those last two games,

802
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: the Rose Bowl and the Pact of Championship game. We

803
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: kind of ran around a little more. UM. I think

804
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: you're beginning to see him kind of settle in and

805
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,839
Speaker 1: kind of be the player that he may be at

806
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 1: the next level Senior Bowl M v P. I think

807
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 1: what's interesting and in the information that we had Justin

808
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 1: Herbert compares to a couple of different guys. UM. He

809
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:50,320
Speaker 1: compared to Josh Allen in terms of his athletic profile.

810
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: UM overall I think he's a more complete and accurate

811
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 1: passage in Josh Allen. But I thought the athleticism grade

812
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,800
Speaker 1: was interesting. Of course, according to next Gen stats, according

813
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:05,320
Speaker 1: to the Combine comparison, you know, Justin Herbert compares uh

814
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: comparably to Andrew Luck. I'm not saying he's Andrew Luck

815
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 1: obviously as a players pastor, but when you look at

816
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 1: the athleticism, um, wait, hand size ten forty is exactly identical.

817
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 1: Vertical jump is within a half inch of Andrew Lux

818
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 1: broad jumped ten three, ten four. Andrew Luck didn't get

819
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 1: enough credit for his athleticism, but his athleticism helped to

820
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 1: make those plays very early in his career in Indianapolis.

821
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 1: It also led to him getting beat up a little bit.

822
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 1: But with Justin Herbert displaying some of this athleticism, he's

823
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: not the old school traditional pocket pastor that can't move.

824
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: He has a little value because he can't move and

825
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: elude and escape. Um. I think he's definitely helped himself

826
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 1: throughout the process. Yeah, it's it's interesting. You know, he's

827
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 1: he's had a solid week at the Senior Bowl, Right,

828
00:38:56,520 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: didn't blow you away, but a solid week, solid game. Uh. Um,

829
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 1: just kind of taking what's they're doing you need to do.

830
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: I thought they work out for Herbert at the at

831
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 1: the combine when they got down the field, he was

832
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 1: at his best, I mean, really letting it go. He's

833
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: got a big arm um and was more comfortable doing that.

834
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: His feet aren't there yet, but he've never taken a

835
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 1: drop before, so that's gonna that's a work in progress.

836
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 1: He'll he'll get it. He'll figure it out. Um. But

837
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 1: there's you know, still one or two throws you're like,

838
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: just let it go, man, just let's just be a

839
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 1: little more natural, let it rip. Um. But overall, I

840
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,280
Speaker 1: thought it was a consistent performance from him at the combine,

841
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 1: which now he's starting to stack these things up together

842
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,800
Speaker 1: in the off season, which to me is it gets

843
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 1: to my struggle here and I've got I've got to

844
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 1: really dig in, hopefully over the next week, because I've

845
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: got some time. Now you go through this process to

846
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: try and get all these guys done, and now you

847
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: can narrow focus and do projects, and we kind of

848
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,839
Speaker 1: talk about clusters and separating guys. So I'm looking forward

849
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 1: to really digging in and just doing a Jordan Love

850
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 1: versus Justin Herbert study because it's a it's a classic

851
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 1: floor ceiling situation, Buck, I think the floor for Justin

852
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 1: Herbert is much higher, uh than Jordan's Love. I think

853
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 1: Jordan's Love because the playmaking ability has a higher ceiling.

854
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 1: So it's trying to put that altogether. Who do you

855
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:13,879
Speaker 1: believe in? Who do you trust? Who would you put

856
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,359
Speaker 1: your name on? Um? That's the challenge. That The one

857
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 1: thing I would say about Herbert compared to Josh Allen,

858
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 1: I think Josh Allen was a much more natural and

859
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 1: accomplished runner in college, Like they used him a lot

860
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 1: more in the run game. He was more productive. I

861
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 1: thought organically things break down. Josh Allen is a playmaker.

862
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: I think if you're gonna sit out there and play

863
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 1: seven on seven and have a throwing contest, Justin Herbert

864
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: is gonna complete more balls and you're gonna be more

865
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: accurate than Josh Allen. I think Josh Allen has a

866
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: little more gamer to him, for lack of a better word,

867
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: um in that regard. But I think athletically the profiles

868
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 1: as you mentioned, um, height, weight, speed, there's there is

869
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: some definitely some similarities there. Yeah, it's a very interesting conversation. UM,

870
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 1: the conversation with Jordan Love is interesting because, UM, I

871
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 1: think he certainly benefits from UH guys kind of looking

872
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 1: at Pat Mahomes and some of the Sandlot plays and

873
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: not understand not necessarily having a clear view for what

874
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,760
Speaker 1: to do with Pat Mahomes, but then seeing Pat Mahomes

875
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: go to Kansas City, seeing what Andy Reid has been

876
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:17,479
Speaker 1: able to help Pat Mahomes do and unlocking his game.

877
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: And so now when you have Jordan's Love, you're trying

878
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: to be a little more forgiving on some of the

879
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 1: missteps that he had his final season, and you're trying

880
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: to go back and look at the previous season and

881
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 1: see what clicked. And the truth with who he is

882
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: probably lies somewhere in between. And so it's you talk

883
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 1: about the high ceiling, but what team will enable Jordan's

884
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: Love to reach that ceiling. Who has the right coach,

885
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 1: the right supporting cast, can put him in the right

886
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:53,879
Speaker 1: environment to enable him to be that that daring gunslinger

887
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 1: while also managing the game and curbing the turnovers. UM.

888
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: The reason I think for me, there's a little more

889
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: comfort and a Justin Herbert, I think I know what

890
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert is and I think I know what he's

891
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 1: going to be every day if we broke this down

892
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: on cars, I mean, Justin Herbert might be a Toyota

893
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 1: camera right, It's not necessarily flashy. But I know that

894
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get two hundred thousand miles out of it.

895
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 1: I know that I'm not gonna have to deal with

896
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 1: major problems. I just have to oil it, gas it,

897
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 1: and go and we can win games like that, provided

898
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 1: that everything else is right. Um, Jordan's Love might be

899
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: a bit of a jaguar like. Look, it's gonna go,

900
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: and when it goes, it looks really well. But maybe

901
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 1: every now and then we may have an automotive issue

902
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:39,959
Speaker 1: that teams us back to the shop that we gotta

903
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 1: correct to get him back on to the road. Both

904
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,320
Speaker 1: guys can be effective. It's just a matter of where

905
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 1: you are in your program building process. Do you have

906
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: time to wait and develop Jordan's Love or do you

907
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 1: have to roll with the Justin Herbert and can you

908
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 1: get him to win you games while you're building up

909
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 1: the other stuff? Yeah, I want one of the guy.

910
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 1: We need to mention here. You mentioned Hurts, how well

911
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 1: he threw it. I thought his feet. I thought he

912
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 1: had the best feet of anybody there. And I give

913
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 1: a tip of the cap to h Quincy Avery for

914
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 1: the job he did with him working with him, I

915
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 1: thought his footwork was the best. I thought he threw

916
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,320
Speaker 1: the ball very well. Um. The issue with him not

917
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 1: going to show up at the combine just some of

918
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,760
Speaker 1: that anticipation, some of the vision um as a passer.

919
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 1: So I got a chance to evaluate that there, Jacob

920
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 1: eeson the arm strength is legit. I mean, Idio has

921
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 1: got a huge arm buck and he uncorked a couple

922
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: down the field. Um. Still you're gonna have a couple

923
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 1: of throws here and there you'd like back again. He's

924
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 1: another one I just I struggle with and now I'll

925
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: continue to do more work on him. Um, but I

926
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:41,439
Speaker 1: just want to see again kind of more of a uh,

927
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,800
Speaker 1: more of an instinctive playmaking ability from him when you

928
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: watch him on tape instead of being more stationary and

929
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:50,359
Speaker 1: more static um as a thrower. So that might take

930
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 1: on them. We are going to hear from him in

931
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 1: a minute. But what was your take on him? Man?

932
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 1: He's a tough one, right, DJ, Because like we spent

933
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 1: all year talking about kind of the revolution at the

934
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 1: quarterback position, where everyone is showing the ability to make

935
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:08,320
Speaker 1: plays athletically move around and even though they're not necessarily runners,

936
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: but they're dynamic in some way, shape or form that

937
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 1: they can elude, evade and still make these uh second

938
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: reaction throws. With Jacob Eason, Jacob Eeson is is almost

939
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 1: like a dinosaur like he is the classic drop back. Um,

940
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 1: throw it down the field and do it. So it

941
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 1: just puts he puts more pressure on your personnel department

942
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 1: to surround him with man the right pieces, like a

943
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 1: fortress upfront, with your offensive line, speasters on the outside

944
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 1: for the vertical game, strong running games, so he can

945
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 1: throw off play action and he doesn't have to make

946
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 1: a lot of anticipatory throws. Um it's a lot. And

947
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: so when you take on the challenge of a Jacob Eason, um,

948
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 1: it's a challenge from a personnel standpoint. Can we give

949
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 1: him everything that he will need to be successful in

950
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:01,919
Speaker 1: the long term as a franchise quarterback and and the

951
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 1: game isn't necessarily being played like that, so it just

952
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 1: kind of makes it harder. All right, Buck, let's get

953
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: to these interviews. You got a chance to visit with

954
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: a lot of the top players at the combine. Uh

955
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 1: three of them we're gonna hear from today, back to

956
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: back to back. The quarterbacks Jordan's Love from Utah State

957
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 1: and Jacob Eason from you dubh. We mentioned them just

958
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: a minute ago, so we're gonna go ahead and roll

959
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 1: the interviews you had with them, and then we'll finish

960
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 1: up at the end with the receiver who I believe

961
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 1: is a is one of the fifteen best players in

962
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:29,800
Speaker 1: this draft class. Had a phenomenal workout and that's l

963
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 1: s us Justin Jefferson to hear your conversations with these

964
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 1: three future pros joined the movie the Sticks podcast. Standout

965
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 1: quarterback from Utah State, Jordan Love, How was your How

966
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 1: was your workout? Man? It was good? Um, you know,

967
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 1: it's kind of everything I was expecting. You know, all

968
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 1: the long training I had coming into it, you know,

969
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:48,839
Speaker 1: finally paid off. So it was good. So talking about

970
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:50,399
Speaker 1: this for mat man, it's a long day. So here

971
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 1: we are, like local time is after eleven o'clock. Was

972
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: it like like the three or four days that you're here,

973
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 1: the grind mentally and physically, how have you been able

974
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 1: to handle the process. Yeah, it's definitely a grind, you know,

975
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 1: mentally and physically, you know, long days plus all the

976
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 1: interviews and whatnot. But uh, you know something you know, uh,

977
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 1: you you're driven for it. You know, there's something that

978
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 1: you know you you know you want to do going

979
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: to the NFL. So it's a process. You know, you

980
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 1: gotta finish it. So and thinking about that process. So

981
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 1: much of what happens at the combine is not the workout,

982
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 1: but the interviews. How have those interviews gone and what

983
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 1: have you learned from kind of interacting with the coaches? Yeah,

984
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: the interview has gone pretty well. You know, Uh, all

985
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 1: the different teams I met with this week, you know,

986
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 1: they all kind of talked about different things and interviews,

987
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,240
Speaker 1: but uh, you know you learned a lot about yourself,

988
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 1: you know, just talking about yourself and you know, uh,

989
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: areas you need to improve on moving forward and just

990
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 1: things need to keep working on. So there's been a

991
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 1: lot of comparisons, and people have thrown out the Pat

992
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:44,800
Speaker 1: Mahomes comparison because of how Pat Mahomes looked at the

993
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: college player and how he's growing and matured as an

994
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 1: NFL player. When you look at yourself and you look

995
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 1: at Pat Mahomes, do you see any similarities at all? Yeah, definitely. Uh,

996
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 1: he's a great player. Um. I love watching them and

997
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 1: I love just trying to take you know, a little

998
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 1: bits pieces of you know, his game, just you know

999
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: how he plays. You know, he's a playmaker, gets the

1000
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 1: job done. So you know, I try and just do

1001
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:07,800
Speaker 1: that to myself. Yeah. So, and thinking about that because

1002
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 1: the buzz has been building around your prospects and being

1003
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 1: a first round pick and maybe a top ten pick,

1004
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,839
Speaker 1: and there's been some conversation. Terrific years two years ago.

1005
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 1: Last year was was not the same. You had a

1006
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 1: number of turnovers. Explain the differences and maybe explain why

1007
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:25,800
Speaker 1: the fall off your final season. Yeah, I mean obviously

1008
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: the turnovers went up. Um you know. Um, like I'm

1009
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 1: just saying all the meetings, you know, I felt like

1010
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: I was trying to do a little bit too much

1011
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 1: out there, Um, you know, trying to force some throws

1012
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 1: and some tighter windows that you know, could have hit

1013
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 1: the checkdown, could have you know, took off a run. Um.

1014
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 1: So I just tried to do a little bit too

1015
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,280
Speaker 1: much and forced the ball. So so that's that's really

1016
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 1: interesting because like the self awareness to be able to

1017
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:48,359
Speaker 1: kind of realize, like maybe I was doing too much. Um,

1018
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 1: when you look at where you want to improve and

1019
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 1: how you would like to play as a pro, how

1020
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 1: do you take steps to kind of correct some of that,

1021
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 1: not not put too much on your own shoulders. Yeah,

1022
00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: I mean it starts to just learning what you need

1023
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 1: to improve on. You know. That's something I've been doing

1024
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 1: this whole process, just trying to you know, seeing myself

1025
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 1: what I need to get better at. So um uh,

1026
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 1: but I think just consistency that's the main thing today.

1027
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 1: I mean I missed a couple of throws out there today,

1028
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 1: but um, just trying to get better at that a

1029
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 1: little man. It's all a part of the deal. Like

1030
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 1: we understand how how the combine is, Like you're throwing

1031
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:20,359
Speaker 1: to different receivers and the like. And then even going

1032
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 1: back to your time and you tu state like you

1033
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 1: had to just so and thinking about that football adversity

1034
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: that you had to endure. How's it made it made

1035
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 1: you better? How would it make you a better problem? Yeah,

1036
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 1: I mean that adversity in our face. You know, it's

1037
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 1: just I think of it is just learning mistakes. Um,

1038
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: you know, learning things that you know, I just got

1039
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 1: to you know, evaluate it and learn from it. And no,

1040
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 1: I can't make those same mistakes. So the next big

1041
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 1: step for you is your product. So what would you

1042
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 1: like to improve upon heading into your pro day and

1043
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 1: some of the private workouts? Yeah, I mean just take

1044
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 1: out everything today, you know, go back and just work

1045
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:51,879
Speaker 1: on some little throws, you know, um, just be more

1046
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 1: consistent on them. Um, and obviously work on my footwork. Well, look,

1047
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 1: I'm excited to see it. I will be there for

1048
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,479
Speaker 1: your pro day. I look forward to continue to catch

1049
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 1: up us. Look to you going for y Sarah. Thank

1050
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 1: you joined the mood Sticks podcast Big Time Quarterback University

1051
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 1: of Washington. They call it you Dub. How you doing man?

1052
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 1: How's everything? I'm doing good? Um, you know, feeling good

1053
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:13,839
Speaker 1: after that workout, left it all out there and just

1054
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 1: you know, happy to be here. So so much of

1055
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:19,879
Speaker 1: the workout, there's so much anxiety, so many nerves. How

1056
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 1: do you balance all that when you have to perform

1057
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 1: knowing that all the general managers and coaches are watching

1058
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 1: you every movie? I mean, you know, we put in

1059
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 1: the preparation and and you know, the countless hours doing

1060
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 1: and we've been doing it our whole life. You know,

1061
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 1: we really just got to go out there and cut

1062
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 1: loose and let it fly. Um. Just one of those things.

1063
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 1: So beyond the workout on the turf, a lot of

1064
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:40,800
Speaker 1: where you kind of make your head is behind the scenes,

1065
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 1: the interviews to the team meetings. How is that process

1066
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 1: for you? It's pretty eye opening. Um. You know, you

1067
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 1: can prepare for it as much as you want, but

1068
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 1: when you step actually into that first interview with you know,

1069
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 1: head coach at GM um, all those guys you know,

1070
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 1: staring daggers at you, it's different. But no, I thought

1071
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 1: the process went great. And uh, you know, met a

1072
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 1: lot of great coaches and great people um in this week,

1073
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 1: and you know I was just kind of learning on

1074
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 1: the fly and and and enjoying it, soaking it all in,

1075
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: but you know, working hard. So so what does actually

1076
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 1: have you learn from this process? Because so many people

1077
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 1: think it's just about you presenting yourself, Yeah, doing the

1078
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 1: interview process. But what is your takeaway from this week?

1079
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's almost like you grow up, like,

1080
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 1: you know, a couple of couple of years in this

1081
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 1: one week. Um. You know, everything's moving so fast, everything's

1082
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 1: really organized. Um, you know they say, you know, you

1083
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 1: gotta be patient, but else at the same time, you

1084
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 1: gotta be able to think on your feet and and

1085
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 1: and and adjust to those situations. So I mean, obviously

1086
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 1: with with these big time coaches and people in the

1087
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 1: in these meetings, Um, you gotta you know, you gotta

1088
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 1: be your best self and and so it's really gonna

1089
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 1: be on like the entire day and and uh so

1090
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 1: it was a cool experience, you know. And thinking about experiences,

1091
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:49,879
Speaker 1: you have a unique experience because you played a two

1092
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 1: big time programs. Started your career at the University of Georgia.

1093
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 1: Make your way back to you, dub what did you

1094
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 1: learn from each place and how will it make you

1095
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:01,800
Speaker 1: a better player going forward? Yeah, you know, my path

1096
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,319
Speaker 1: was was windy, and it was you know, coming out

1097
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 1: of high school. Um, think back on it, it it was

1098
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 1: not what I expected at all. Um being here now, Um,

1099
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 1: you know it was you know, there's several things I

1100
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 1: picked up along the way, whether it was you know,

1101
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:16,320
Speaker 1: starting as a freshman in the SEC as an eighteen

1102
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 1: year old. Um, you know, there's a whole whole lot

1103
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 1: of stories that come out of that and a lot

1104
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 1: of experiences and then you know, even when I got

1105
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 1: injured and set out the rest of that season as

1106
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 1: a backup, you know, I learned how to how to

1107
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:31,360
Speaker 1: handle that situation, um, you know, putting the team, putting

1108
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 1: the team first and and being a team player instead

1109
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 1: of a me guy. Um, you know. And then the

1110
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 1: next year was when when I couldn't play on Saturdays,

1111
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 1: you know, I had to find a new appreciation in

1112
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 1: love for the game and in practice and in the

1113
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:45,320
Speaker 1: weight room, and and uh, you know, it was a cool, unique,

1114
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 1: unique experience for me to go through that and then

1115
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:50,760
Speaker 1: ultimately got back and and just let it loose on

1116
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 1: on Saturday's this last season and had a ton of

1117
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 1: fun and and uh, you know, it could have been

1118
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 1: with a better group of guys and a better coach.

1119
00:51:57,800 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 1: So let's expand of that, because you did have been

1120
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 1: two seasons not really playing, having to kind of earn

1121
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 1: your way back after the transfer, and kind of having

1122
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:10,319
Speaker 1: to do it differently during that time away from it

1123
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 1: where you weren't the starting quarterback. What did you learn

1124
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 1: and how did it change you whether as as it

1125
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 1: came to your preparation performance, Like, what did you learn

1126
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 1: from kind of having to sit out. Yeah, No, it's

1127
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of it was you know, the

1128
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 1: game I loved and you know, the thing I did

1129
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 1: every Saturday was taken away from me. Um, So you

1130
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 1: know I had adopted that, you know, the the year

1131
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: when when I got hurt and was the backup. You know,

1132
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:35,959
Speaker 1: I was super proud of of that team and and

1133
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 1: and super star for the things we were doing. But um,

1134
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 1: you know, at the same time, the competitor and me,

1135
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 1: it was it was killing me. You know, inside I

1136
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 1: wouldn'tlet anybody know that because I wanted to the narrative

1137
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 1: to be about the team. But you know, as a

1138
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 1: competitive player, you want to be the guy rolling out

1139
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 1: there in the rose bow, and you want to be

1140
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 1: the guy out there, you know, slaying in the national championship. Um,

1141
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 1: so you know, to be the guy with the headset.

1142
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: You know, it kind of hurt inside. But you know

1143
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna let that that be the situation that year,

1144
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 1: and I wanted to make sure that the team the first.

1145
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:03,319
Speaker 1: So as a leader and as a um, you know,

1146
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:05,240
Speaker 1: as a person, I had to be a good teammate

1147
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 1: and and and you know, help the team in any

1148
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 1: way I could, whether it was in practice, on the

1149
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 1: sideline in the game or any situation. Um, and then

1150
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 1: onto Washington. Um, I couldn't play on Saturday. So you

1151
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:19,840
Speaker 1: know that's where I really developed the habits and practice

1152
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 1: and and you know, the love. You know, I used

1153
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 1: to wake up in the morning and be like, oh,

1154
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:24,800
Speaker 1: dangn I gotta go practice. That's like, I gotta go

1155
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:26,799
Speaker 1: practice today. I'm gonna go have fun and cut it loose.

1156
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 1: You know, there's there's nobody that stands but I'm with

1157
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 1: my boys and and uh, you know, just having a

1158
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 1: time playing the game. I love. You know, It's interesting

1159
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 1: because it seems at the NFL level, the game has

1160
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:38,439
Speaker 1: changed a little bit at the quarterback position. You see

1161
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 1: more of these mobile, athletic playmakers guys running around. Yeah,

1162
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 1: you tend to fall into the more the traditional path. Um.

1163
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:49,439
Speaker 1: What is it about you being a classic pocket pass

1164
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 1: with a big arm that still will enable you to

1165
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 1: be able to win at a high level when so

1166
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 1: much of the NFL is kind of changing and going

1167
00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 1: with the other style quarterback? Yeah, I mean there's you know,

1168
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 1: there's you know, I'm just like, you know, for the

1169
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 1: best fit for me. Um. You know, I know there's

1170
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 1: there's guys like Lamar and Russell and and several guys

1171
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 1: and Patrick Mahomes in the league that can ta can

1172
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 1: run around and sling it all over and they're really

1173
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 1: impressive and fun to watch. Um, you know, but there's

1174
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 1: also a handful of guys who who fit my prototype

1175
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 1: and and it can win a lot of games. So

1176
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 1: you know, I think, I think whatever coach you know

1177
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 1: likes my style and and uh you know, I'll be

1178
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 1: I'll be all in. So final final thing is we

1179
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 1: think about it. So now we we finished a lot

1180
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:31,280
Speaker 1: of the hard for it. We've done the regular season

1181
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 1: was doing the combine, we have the proty hit and

1182
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 1: we have maybe some team workouts. What are the things

1183
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:39,360
Speaker 1: that you want to show in the next phase to

1184
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 1: kind of solidify yourself as one of the top pics. Yeah,

1185
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 1: you know, I just want to brush up on all

1186
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:46,800
Speaker 1: the things, um, you know, whether it's whether it's football,

1187
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 1: i Q coverage, conceptions, protections, everything. Um, I want to

1188
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 1: be able to talk to those through and and you know,

1189
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 1: and like I can right now, I just want to

1190
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:56,839
Speaker 1: keep going and progressing my game on that I wanna.

1191
00:54:57,239 --> 00:54:58,839
Speaker 1: You don't want to keep working on my lower half

1192
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 1: and the consistency in my ey could seeing my drops. Um,

1193
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 1: you know, there's all these little things that can you know,

1194
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:05,399
Speaker 1: you can always improve on, you know, if you want

1195
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:07,839
Speaker 1: to be great, there's always for improvements. So well, man,

1196
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 1: we're expecting great things from you. Like we've seen the

1197
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:13,360
Speaker 1: improvement steady from Georgia to U dub we expect to

1198
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 1: see it flow when you get to the next level.

1199
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:17,320
Speaker 1: Best of luck to you. I appreciate it. Thank you.

1200
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:21,320
Speaker 1: You want to move to six podcasts, National Champion l

1201
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 1: s U Standout justin Jefferson, how is everything? Everything has

1202
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:28,399
Speaker 1: been good? Uh, the whole process of the combine and uh,

1203
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:31,279
Speaker 1: just working my way up here from from a long season. Uh,

1204
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 1: it's been great, and I mean my results, I'm pretty

1205
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 1: confident in my results, so I say it's a success. Look. Uh,

1206
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 1: so much of the combine doesn't take place on the field.

1207
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 1: That takes place behind the scenes, interviews and meetings and

1208
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 1: those things. How's that part of the process been for you?

1209
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 1: It's tough. It's definitely tough, just you know, just going

1210
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 1: to bed late and waking up early and uh talking

1211
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:57,320
Speaker 1: to these different teams and uh, I mean just having

1212
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 1: that right mind frame. But um, I mean it's a

1213
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 1: tough process, but it'll pay off in the long run.

1214
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 1: So prior to us recording this, I told you that

1215
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 1: Jerry Sullivan, longtime NFL coach you also coached you at

1216
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 1: l s U raved about you when you've had an

1217
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 1: opportunity to work with the NFL coach like him. What

1218
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 1: are some of the things that you've learned from him

1219
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 1: that have helped prepare you to be ready for the

1220
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 1: next level? Pretty much everything to do with a receiver,

1221
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:25,839
Speaker 1: just going off a releasing or just being smoothed through

1222
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 1: my routes. That's probably one of my favorite and best

1223
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:31,239
Speaker 1: coaches I've ever had, So just listening to everything he's

1224
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 1: telling me and uh, just buying into the system that

1225
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 1: you know, he works with these big time receivers, So

1226
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 1: listening to him. I'm blessed to have a coach like that.

1227
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 1: So this year, you guys offense was it was off

1228
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 1: the charts, Like you guys got into a rhythm. You

1229
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 1: started rolling, uh, seeming like you guys were putting fifty

1230
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 1: burgers on everybody inc Um. What was the biggest difference

1231
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 1: What was a big difference from last year edition in

1232
00:56:56,320 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 1: terms of offense really clicking one Uh is system the

1233
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 1: system we were in. Um, just having coached Joe Brady,

1234
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 1: coming with that new pro style offense and having us

1235
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:09,840
Speaker 1: spread the ball around to these different playmakers. Uh, it

1236
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 1: just helped us out. And the second part is just

1237
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 1: that work ethic that we we took on. The part

1238
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 1: going into two thousand nineteen, we wanted to win the

1239
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 1: national championship. We felt comfortable in that playbook. So um,

1240
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 1: just buying into that system that he gave us and

1241
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:27,920
Speaker 1: just working off that well. Obviously a lot of the

1242
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 1: attention on the offense sitting around your quarterback Joe Burrow. Uh, look,

1243
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 1: he put together one of the best seasons anyone who's

1244
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 1: ever seen in college football. Uh, talk a little bit

1245
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 1: about him. What makes him so special? His leadership, his leadership,

1246
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 1: and his work ethic. Um just you know, staying after

1247
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 1: practice and getting those extra reps are you know, meeting

1248
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 1: up on Saturdays and having more routes to run. So um,

1249
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 1: just him coming in and being at that guy from

1250
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 1: Ohio just you know, not knowing anybody and then coming

1251
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 1: in and running our team. So uh, he did a

1252
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:01,920
Speaker 1: great job in uh last season, and he brought us

1253
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 1: a national championship. It's funny. So you talked about him

1254
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 1: coming from Ohio not knowing anyone, but earning your respect.

1255
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:08,919
Speaker 1: What was it about him? How did he go about

1256
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 1: earning you guys respect? Joe had that swagger, Um, just

1257
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 1: that that confidence that he had and uh, I mean

1258
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 1: we were confident in him as well. So um, him

1259
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 1: every game just being focused and um just not showing

1260
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:26,439
Speaker 1: any fear, just not being nervous. That helped us out

1261
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 1: as a as a team. And uh, just having that

1262
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 1: confidence with him and going into that game and knowing

1263
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 1: that he's gonna put those throws exactly where you want them.

1264
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:36,440
Speaker 1: It's funny because a lot of times we talked to

1265
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 1: people about Joe Burrow, they always mentioned his competitive side.

1266
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 1: What have you seen from him? To kind of illustrate

1267
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 1: that that competitiveness that he has every game just him

1268
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 1: getting hit or getting uh those those knockdowns and popping

1269
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:52,920
Speaker 1: back up and then keep playing throughout the game. I

1270
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 1: think some people will get hit like that and you know,

1271
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 1: not get up. So just him having that toughness and

1272
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 1: that competitiveness in him to you know, keep going and

1273
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 1: finishing out with his team. So he was All State

1274
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:07,160
Speaker 1: basketball player, and I don't know if he ever definitely does.

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Speaker 1: What did he say to you guys about his basketball back?

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00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 1: He was a killer. He was a shooter. But I

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00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 1: mean in the semi finals when we were doing the

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00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 1: little games and we did the shooting game, he hit

1279
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 1: almost every single shot. So after him doing that, I

1280
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 1: definitely believe them. So so last thing about him, Um,

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00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 1: one thing that stands out to me just from watching

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00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 1: him from far his confidence. How how confident of a player?

1283
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 1: Is he too confident? Uh, not overly confident, but just

1284
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 1: confident enough that you can see it. Um, just him

1285
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 1: just being out there and you know, just not showing

1286
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 1: no fear and then being you know, kind of cocky

1287
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:52,400
Speaker 1: with it but not arrogant. So, um, just him doing

1288
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 1: that and just being on that side. Uh, it definitely

1289
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 1: felt good to have that as my quarterback. And I'm

1290
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 1: I feel like that's that's everybody dream quarterback. It's funny

1291
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:03,920
Speaker 1: because you could tell you guys really really liked them

1292
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:06,440
Speaker 1: because when he would get awards and honors, when you

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01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 1: see the reaction of the teammates, it seems like you

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01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 1: guys were all in, Like was there a genuine affinity

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01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 1: for him? Did you guys really respect him and all

1296
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 1: the things, because sometimes that situation can be different, like

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01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 1: people are envious, but it seems like you guys generally

1298
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:21,479
Speaker 1: liked him and cared about Yes, we all love Joe.

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01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 1: UM just from him. I especially have that connection with

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01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 1: him because we kind of came from the you know,

1301
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:30,120
Speaker 1: same background. Just not being highly recruited. UM, just being

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01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 1: one of those those telling the players that you know,

1303
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 1: don't have that that high rise like you know most

1304
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 1: people do. So uh, just him being kind of like me,

1305
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 1: and uh, just seeing him receive those awards and you know,

1306
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 1: just being with me to win these games and winning

1307
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 1: the national championships. So we're definitely excited for him. So

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01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 1: back to you, UM, a lot of talented, a lot

1309
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:54,440
Speaker 1: of talent on that offensive side of the ball. You

1310
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 1: got playmakers all over the place. But when I talk

1311
01:00:57,560 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 1: to people, they talk about you being the start distraught

1312
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:03,360
Speaker 1: that stirs to drink. What is it about you, um

1313
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 1: that makes you that it allows you to be capable

1314
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:08,920
Speaker 1: of being a number one receiver. Um, just my versatility,

1315
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 1: just being able to you know, do outside and inside

1316
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 1: and then plus you know, in the inside, it's not

1317
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:18,680
Speaker 1: easy to be an inside, uh receiver, especially in college. Uh,

1318
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:22,120
Speaker 1: just having to pick the defenses apart just knowing exactly

1319
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 1: what they're running and then you know, running my roses

1320
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:27,880
Speaker 1: off their defense. So uh, just being a smart player

1321
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:30,480
Speaker 1: and just going out there and doing the best I can.

1322
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:32,520
Speaker 1: And um, I mean slote. We don't get too many

1323
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 1: deep balls, so those those short balls in space, we

1324
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:38,280
Speaker 1: gotta make them work. So we just we finished to combine.

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01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:41,880
Speaker 1: We have pro days and kind of like team visits.

1326
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 1: What's the other stuff that you want to show to

1327
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:47,120
Speaker 1: just kind of finish out the process the best way

1328
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:50,560
Speaker 1: that you can. Um, just being smooth throughout my brakes. Um,

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01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:55,080
Speaker 1: really just being more versatile than then I was. You know,

1330
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:58,040
Speaker 1: last year I did strictly slot. My sophomore year I

1331
01:01:58,080 --> 01:02:01,240
Speaker 1: did strictly outside. So just being able to do both

1332
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:03,640
Speaker 1: and showing them that I'm capable of doing both. Well, Man,

1333
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:05,400
Speaker 1: we're excited to see you do a bunch of different

1334
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:08,560
Speaker 1: things in the National Football League level. You're going forward.

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Speaker 1: Thank you cool? All right? Black Well, that would say, Uh,

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Speaker 1: it was great to hear you catch up with those guys.

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01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I know it's a long week, but you

1338
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:16,600
Speaker 1: get a chance to know these guys, we get a

1339
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:18,720
Speaker 1: chance to visit with him on the field. Yeah, like

1340
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:21,840
Speaker 1: these guys were. Um, it was great talking to him.

1341
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 1: Obviously we talked to Jordan Love a few times, so

1342
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:27,280
Speaker 1: his conversation was EASM. Jacob Eason was bright, has a

1343
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:29,240
Speaker 1: lot of confidence, has a lot of confidence in his building,

1344
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:32,000
Speaker 1: really owned up to what he learned from his experience

1345
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:34,320
Speaker 1: at Georgia and how he's able to take those UH

1346
01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:37,440
Speaker 1: lessons and apply them at you dubbed and then Justin

1347
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:40,400
Speaker 1: Jefferson is just the pro man. He's everything that people

1348
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:42,240
Speaker 1: have talked to me about. When I talked to his

1349
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:44,320
Speaker 1: old receiver coach Jerry Sullivan, he talked about this is

1350
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 1: a man's man. He's the one that if he had

1351
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:48,760
Speaker 1: to pick one to take with them from l s

1352
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:51,280
Speaker 1: U that Justin Jefferson would be the guy. Um. I

1353
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:53,400
Speaker 1: think he's displayed that. I know you have been on

1354
01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:56,360
Speaker 1: him from the beginning. I know he's UM in your

1355
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:58,560
Speaker 1: list and one of the guys that you view as

1356
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:01,080
Speaker 1: a first round UH receiver. And I just have to

1357
01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:03,680
Speaker 1: go back because I just kind of got overwhelmed with

1358
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:05,960
Speaker 1: so many guys that I wondered if he was truly

1359
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:07,800
Speaker 1: a first round talent. But he does a lot of

1360
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:11,040
Speaker 1: impressive stuff, really good kids, so you begin to like that.

1361
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:14,960
Speaker 1: And we've talked about this um in this process. If

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01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:17,840
Speaker 1: you can buy into the kid, it's a lot easier

1363
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:19,840
Speaker 1: to kind of put a big grade on them. So

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01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:21,560
Speaker 1: I just got to continue to go and do my work.

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01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 1: I have no doubt. Um he's he's a fun player

1366
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:26,800
Speaker 1: to watch. Man. Big time, big time production. All right,

1367
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:28,560
Speaker 1: busy week for us here I move the sticks. We've

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Speaker 1: got two shows coming up on Thursday. We've got the

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01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:34,240
Speaker 1: audio show which will uh dig in do a deep

1370
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:36,960
Speaker 1: dive on my mock draft. Also gonna have a video show.

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Speaker 1: You can check all that stuff out at NFL dot

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01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:44,120
Speaker 1: com slash mts video for the video stuff, as well

1373
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:47,560
Speaker 1: as the YouTube channel on YouTube dot com, slash NFL Podcasts,

1374
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:49,720
Speaker 1: and you can check the audio podcast as you're listening

1375
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:52,400
Speaker 1: to it right now, basically on any podcast app, um,

1376
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:55,320
Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts ever, everything. We're everywhere, so you can find

1377
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:58,560
Speaker 1: that on Thursday, So be on the lookout for those shows.

1378
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Speaker 1: Anything else you wanna have before we get out of here. No, man,

1379
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:02,280
Speaker 1: this is great, man. It's a great deep dive into

1380
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Speaker 1: the combine. There you go fun combine great to catch

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01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:07,400
Speaker 1: up with. Buck. Hope you guys have enjoyed listening to us.

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Speaker 1: We'll catch you next time. Right here on, move the sticks.