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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 3: My name is Matt, my name is Noah.

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Speaker 4: They call me Ben, and you can too. We're joined

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Speaker 4: as always with our super producer Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagan.

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Speaker 4: Most importantly, you are you. You are here. That makes

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Speaker 4: this the stuff they don't want you to know. If

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Speaker 4: you are tuning into our Strange News segment the day

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Speaker 4: it publishes, Welcome to March twenty third, twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 4: We were talking about this a little bit off air.

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Speaker 3: Guys.

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Speaker 4: This year is going by quickly. You know, it's still

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty six, but we're already planning stuff for twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty seven.

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Speaker 2: In twenty twenty nine.

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Speaker 3: Don't like that one if we make it. Yeah, there's

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Speaker 3: some stuff for bruin.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, in twenty thirty. We've got a whole project about it. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: check in on that one thing. One thing that we

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Speaker 4: had to mention an update to earlier Strange News and

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Speaker 4: also an update to a full episode. We did another

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Speaker 4: Strava leak has occurred. An officer on a French aircraft

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Speaker 4: carrier appears to have accidentally revealed a lot about the

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Speaker 4: carrier because the poor officer used Strava, the fitness app,

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Speaker 4: on their run.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very funny to look at the map, and

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Speaker 2: we recommend you check that out to see the back

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Speaker 2: and forth movements across the ship. As you watch this

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Speaker 2: Strava heat map. It's not the heat map, it's just

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Speaker 2: one person's map.

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Speaker 3: Why is he doing that? Is he just trying to

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Speaker 3: get extra steps in? Like well, it's gamified.

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Speaker 4: He's trying to let other Strava users know, Hey, look

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Speaker 4: at me, get my steps in, get my run in.

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Speaker 4: And then other bad faith actors saw that and said, oh,

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Speaker 4: look at this aircraft carrier. Oh this is how this

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Speaker 4: aircraft carriers mapped.

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Speaker 3: Oh he traced it like they mapped it like a roomba.

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Speaker 3: I got it.

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Speaker 2: Basically, how is this guy running that distance in the

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Speaker 2: middle of the ocean, and then he appears to be

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Speaker 2: moving along the ocean.

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Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden you've got the exact

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Speaker 3: position and the locations of the like edges, and you

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Speaker 3: basically can create a reproduction of that environment if you

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Speaker 4: I do love the idea, though, folks, of someone looking

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Speaker 4: at that data and saying, Wow, this guy is really

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Speaker 4: good at running. He's just in the ocean, moving at

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Speaker 4: speeds people cannot achieve. I have just found the flash

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Speaker 4: on Strava.

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Speaker 3: Traveling without moving. He's like a MALADIEB type figure.

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Speaker 4: There we go.

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Speaker 3: I guess he's traveling than.

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Speaker 2: Don't forget?

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Speaker 3: Forget how could we ever? Was inescapable?

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Speaker 4: Jamiroqua is very important, mission critical, actually a mission critical

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Speaker 4: figure in uh, the secret religion that tennessee and I

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Speaker 4: have no further questions.

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Speaker 3: Crazy story. Not the guy whole band, We have a

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Speaker 3: whole we have a book. His name was JK.

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Speaker 2: His name is JK. Yeah, Simmons, different different, different.

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Speaker 4: Secret religions aside, and we've got more on that on

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Speaker 4: the way. Uh, there's so much more to get to.

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Speaker 4: We have a missing major general. We have been following

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Speaker 4: the news of afro Man and of course many other

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Speaker 4: geopolitical developments like I'm putting AFROMN in with that one.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna pause for a word from our sponsors, and

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Speaker 4: then we're going to update you with some news we

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Speaker 4: got from our dear friend of the show, Gandhi, and

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Speaker 4: we have returned. We were talking about this off air.

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Speaker 4: We just learned this thanks to our pal, co host

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Speaker 4: of the Elvis Durant Show, also the creator of the

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Speaker 4: hit podcast Sauce on the Side. Full disclosure, some of

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Speaker 4: us went and hung out with Gandhi on her show

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Speaker 4: Sauce on the Side, and just as we were going

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Speaker 4: in to record today on Friday, March twentieth, Gandhi guys

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Speaker 4: hit me up with some news that I wasn't aware of,

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Speaker 4: and I think all of us just learned about it.

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Speaker 4: Something spooky is afoot.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's there are news alerts floating around right now

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Speaker 2: that are saying Silverstein Properties, which is owned run by

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Speaker 2: Larry Silverstein, who you may remember from his ownership of

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Speaker 2: The news is that Silverstein Properties just purchased a building

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that is correct. Larry A. Silverstein is an American

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Speaker 4: people who followed conspiracy theories about the attacks on New

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Speaker 4: York on September eleventh, two thousand and one. He has

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Speaker 4: recently acquired a Los Angeles skyscraper. It is the US

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Speaker 4: he originally took over the World Trade Center just before

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Speaker 4: the events of September eleventh, now the Internet conspiracy forums

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Speaker 4: are reinvigorated. People are right now certain that Larry Silverstein's

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Speaker 3: Make of it, well, the implication being that nine to

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Speaker 3: certain geopolitical goals. The implication this is that as well,

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Speaker 3: there's already a lot of talk in the wind with

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Speaker 4: And a Ron got in front of that, by the way,

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Speaker 4: and said that any attacks that happen on the West

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Speaker 4: coast of the United States are going to be false flags. Yes,

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Speaker 4: they're not going to do it.

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Speaker 2: The weirdness with Silverstein properties in the World Trade Center.

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Speaker 2: If I'm remembering correctly, had a lot to do with

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Speaker 2: the insurance policies on the buildings and all of the

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Speaker 3: Was there weird timing with that or something, Yeah, very much.

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Speaker 4: So he used to well, he said this multiple interviews.

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Speaker 4: He would go to the top of the World Trade

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Speaker 4: breakfast meetings. But on the morning of September eleventh, again

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Speaker 4: so he canceled his breakfast meetings, and therefore he was

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Speaker 4: The insurance thing to your question there, it's really interesting

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Speaker 4: seven billion, seven point one billion, and his reasoning was

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Speaker 4: that two separate airplane strikes into two separate buildings meant

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Speaker 4: there were two occurrences of what the policy needed to

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Speaker 2: Well, he's not.

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Speaker 3: He wouldn't be wrong, right, he wouldn't be wrong. I

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Speaker 3: was gonna say that it seems like a savdy argument

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Speaker 3: to make to get you. You know, you're the biggest

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Speaker 2: And it's super murky too because these are old buildings

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Speaker 2: of construction issues that needed to be addressed. There there's

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Speaker 2: a ton you can look. It's a deep rabbit hole,

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Speaker 2: is all I'm saying. The reality though, of this brand

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Speaker 2: Angeles isn't exactly true. There was a there was a

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Speaker 2: the Silverstein Property's website about a new lease in that building.

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Speaker 2: In actuality, they purchased the building in twenty twenty, right,

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Speaker 2: So it isn't as though this is something that just

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Speaker 2: other type of thing. If you're if we're following along

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Speaker 2: They still own the building.

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Speaker 3: My question too, would be, and I've seen this chatter

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Speaker 3: wouldn't they have done that before the bombing, Right, that's

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Speaker 3: a good question, would have made a better case for

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Speaker 3: what is clearly a very unpopular move right. And I

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Speaker 3: want to clarify some of the news we're giving here.

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Speaker 3: This was so buying a building of this size or

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Speaker 3: a deal of this magnitude often takes a while. It's

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Speaker 3: not an afternoon handshakee. So what we're talking about.

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Speaker 4: The reason it's back in the news is the acquisition

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Speaker 4: has been finalized at this point. The deal was completed

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Speaker 4: amid the twenty twenty six ongoing conflict in Iran, and

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Speaker 4: that's why people are speculating so hard about it. To

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Speaker 4: be clear, there is no at this point concrete evidence

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Speaker 4: this point that could be used to function as a

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Speaker 4: smoking gun the conspiracy. Put plainly, the conspiracy theory is

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Speaker 4: that these forces headed by or faced by Silverstein are

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Speaker 4: acquiring buildings to participate in some kind of inside job.

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Speaker 4: And again there is is absolutely nothing in the way

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Speaker 4: read about his involvement in the properties that were destroyed

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Speaker 4: during September eleventh.

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Speaker 3: Where do we land on September eleventh as an inside job?

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Speaker 3: It's not something that comes up a lot, and certainly

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Speaker 3: probably a little bit of a taboo subject. I'm suss

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Speaker 3: of this particular administration, if the past administration was capable

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Speaker 3: of doing something like this, I'm certain that the current

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Speaker 3: one would do something even wilder. I don't know, what

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Speaker 3: do you guys think about the nine to eleven conspiracies?

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Speaker 4: What do I think? Personally? Nola, that might be you

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Speaker 4: know what, Let's hang, let's go to the chicken spot

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Speaker 4: after the court, I.

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Speaker 2: Would just say, check out architects and engineers for nine

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Speaker 4: Yeah, speak with the experts. We went to a lot

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Speaker 4: of primary sources on that. And to be completely clear, folks,

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Speaker 4: our individual our individual perspectives on this may differ from

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Speaker 4: entity to entity. I do think that a lot of

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Speaker 4: our fellow American our fellow Americans still have some very

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Speaker 4: serious and very valid questions about the attacks of nine

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Speaker 4: in the zeitgeist because people are rightly terrified and concerned

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Speaker 4: about the possibility of another attack on domestic soil, given

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Speaker 4: the multiple conflicts occurring around the world right now, in

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Speaker 4: which the US is playing a pivotal role.

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Speaker 2: In the dismantling of the intelligence apparatus that's supposed to

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Speaker 2: prevent those attacks.

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Speaker 3: Did you see joking with the Japanese envoy about how

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Speaker 3: y'all are good at surprises, right, pearl?

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, pearl harbor anybody, why did you tell He said,

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Speaker 4: why didn't you tell me about that? I was like,

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Speaker 4: because you weren't in there, dude.

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Speaker 3: Any crap, Holy cow, Yes, he's got he's got jokes,

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Speaker 3: ladies in gentle.

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Speaker 4: Then Japan rolls innat twenty on diplomacy and those kind

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Speaker 4: of conversations. There was some There was some line that

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Speaker 3: I love games.

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Speaker 4: I got kicked out of kindergarten for that play because

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Speaker 3: Sounds like a sample you'd hear before an AFX Twins

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Speaker 3: of sampling, I would miss around with that. What are

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Speaker 3: we hearing? Ben? I I thought I heard someone calling

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Speaker 4: A lot of people hear a lot of things, right.

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Speaker 4: This is V thirty two shout out for all our

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Speaker 4: long time conspiracy realists. This is a numbers station. Please

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Speaker 4: check out our earlier episodes from years back on numbers

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Speaker 4: stations continually fascinating. This one is not accurate in Russian,

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Speaker 4: And the concept here of number stations, I mean, it's

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Speaker 4: So what are they saying? We don't know unless we

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Speaker 4: We know that they are being It seems that there

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Speaker 4: Yeah, knitting as espionage. And I think I mentioned you

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Speaker 2: So uh, fabric is a conspiracy?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, first glitter, now fabric, what's next. I would love cheese.

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Speaker 4: I would love cheese as conspiracy. Don't trust a manger

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Speaker 4: There are fishmongers everywhere, and without saying too much. There

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Speaker 2: Paranoia is fun. That's when you mentioned those guys just

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Speaker 4: It's happening now. We're gonna have more on the Farsi

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Speaker 4: Farsi or Russian language. Just hit us up conspiracydiheartradio dot com.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna pause for nothing big. Just tell us all

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Speaker 3: And we're back.

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Speaker 1: Y'all.

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Speaker 3: All heroes don't wear a cape. Some of them wear

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Speaker 4: I was gonna say, you got a narrow that one down.

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Speaker 3: Oh man, we love I love this guy. I think

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Speaker 3: afro Man out of that last name. Some police raided

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Speaker 4: This is also, by the way, the guy who is

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Speaker 4: It was before nine to eleven.

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Speaker 3: A lot of his music isn't just straight up hip hop.

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Speaker 3: Foreman took this footage of these cops tossing his home,

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Speaker 4: Can you can you give you some of the titles, Well.

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Speaker 3: One of them was Lemon pound Cake, of course, up

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Speaker 4: Why?

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Speaker 3: And then another the classic will you help me repair

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Speaker 3: my door?

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Speaker 6: Oh?

441
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's the one because.

442
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Speaker 4: It was like twenty grand of damage.

443
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 3: Right, one hundred? He also made another song about the woman.

444
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,160
Speaker 3: I'm not going to name their names. I don't want

445
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 3: them to sue me for defamation, because that's what happened.

446
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 3: By the way, we'll get to that in a minute.

447
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 3: Another song accusing her of uh participating in copious kind

448
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,440
Speaker 3: of lingual activities with other ladies.

449
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Speaker 2: Oh jeez.

450
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 3: Other accusations or again we'll get into the whole idea

451
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 3: of worth these accusations. Or are these things so absurd

452
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 3: that no reasonable person could have interpreted them as being

453
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 3: depictions of fact, you know, talking about doggie style and

454
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:20,919
Speaker 3: one of the dude's wives, things like that. Again, the

455
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 3: police officers banded together, they pooled their resources and I

456
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 3: imagine with the support of the police department there in

457
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 3: what city was this guys, Ohio, Adams County, Adams County, Ohio.

458
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 3: Again imagining that they had the assistance to some degree

459
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,679
Speaker 3: of the police department, that somebody thought this was a

460
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:47,679
Speaker 3: good idea for them to sue this man for defamation,

461
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 3: citing irreparable pain and suffering, you know, accusations again of

462
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 3: one of their wives having cheated on the officer with

463
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 3: mister Foreman, things like that, And so I guess in Ohio.

464
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 3: They put all these court cases on the stream because boy,

465
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,400
Speaker 3: oh boy, there is footage. There is footage, and whoever's

466
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 3: running that court camera needs to seek a career in cinematography.

467
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 3: Because there is one shot in particular where it's the

468
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 3: woman that I had mentioned earlier, and they play mister

469
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 3: Foreman's lawyer. I don't know if this is just like

470
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 3: an evidence thing where if it's like an exhibit, you

471
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 3: have to watch the whole thing. I certainly know in

472
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 3: murder cases, if there is video or audio, no matter

473
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 3: how horrific it might be, it has to be played

474
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 3: in its entirety in order to be introduced as an exit.

475
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 3: Maybe I'm overstating the case on that one, but I

476
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 3: have seen other examples of this, so maybe that's part

477
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 3: of the law. Maybe it was just by request of

478
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 3: mister Foreman's lawyer. But they're playing the video that I

479
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 3: talked about a minute ago where this dude is accusing

480
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:57,239
Speaker 3: this woman of eating lots of Give me a bleep there,

481
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 3: if you can, I think we know we're talking about here.

482
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 3: He is just in tears, head in hand while this

483
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 3: goofy funk song is playing in the background with mister

484
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 3: Foreman just just bopping in the video, wearing is wearing

485
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 3: wear in a wacky outfit. All the while he's sitting

486
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 3: on the stand bopping too his own song, and the

487
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 3: camera just pans slowly over from this woman in tears

488
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,479
Speaker 3: to mister Foreman just staring dackers into her, but in

489
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 3: the coolest possible way, y'all, not angry, unbothered, moisturized, and

490
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 3: bopping to his own song. Not to mention that they

491
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 3: play the full social media tags before and after each

492
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 3: one of these clips. So not only were these officers

493
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 3: clearly barking up the wrong tree in terms of seeking

494
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 3: reparations or seeking compensation rather for this, you know, perceived defamation,

495
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 3: they're just getting punked over and over again in this

496
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 3: footage because they're playing the clips and you're having to

497
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 3: see the officers react to them. There's one exchange where

498
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 3: Foreman's lawyer asks one of the officers in question here,

499
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 3: who want the song about him? I believe this was

500
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 3: Lemon pound Cake officer pound Cake if it was in

501
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 3: any way misrepresenting him. For mister Foreman Afroman to say

502
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 3: that he had had intercourse with this man's wife, and

503
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 3: at a certain point the guy just starts saying, well,

504
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 3: the lawyer says, but this is obviously not true. He's like, well,

505
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 3: I don't know, he said, I don't know. It's out there,

506
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 3: and you start to see the guy unraveling before your

507
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 3: very eyes, Like you start to see him start to

508
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 3: call into question where maybe it was possible that his

509
00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 3: wife did have intercourse with mister Foreman, and you just

510
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 3: you just see it's it's what you call a self

511
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 3: own that's what you call being foisted on your own petard.

512
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 3: It's just wild stuff, guys. It's like something that would

513
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 3: be in Tim and Eric. I don't know how. I

514
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 3: don't know how to describe it.

515
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 4: I think that's a great description. I also want to

516
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 4: shout you out, mister Foreman Afferman, if you're listening. Uh,

517
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 4: you said something that we are huge fans of when

518
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 4: you were on the stand. I have freedom of speech.

519
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 4: I'm a rapper, I entertain and it's very There's more

520
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 4: to it, of course, but uh, is that not an

521
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 4: electric point right there? He's said, I am entertained. And

522
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 4: I gotta tell you, if you were in that courtroom

523
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 4: and you're watching those clips, you would probably not to

524
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 4: yourself and think got entertained.

525
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 3: Entertained?

526
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 4: Are you not entertained?

527
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 3: He goes off in a slightly different direction, Ben after

528
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 3: that very apropos quote that you just dropped there, And

529
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 3: I think this to me sums up the whole thing

530
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 3: because spoiler alert, y'all, he got off, he won, He

531
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 3: won all in baby, Yeah, And I think he probably

532
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 3: has the right to counter sue now, I bet.

533
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 4: You know what, because he's got the ACLU on his

534
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 4: side as well. He has some pretty powerful forces. And Noel,

535
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 4: even if he doesn't counter sue, at the risk of

536
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 4: sounding like a cold executive producer or C suite guy,

537
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 4: this is phenomenal for his career and for pr no.

538
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Speaker 3: Like I said, these clips that are going around from

539
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 3: the courtroom have all of his social tags. At the

540
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 3: beginning and end of every single one, he knew exactly

541
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 3: what he was doing. And this is the quote that

542
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 3: I was going to introduce, and then'll wrap the section up.

543
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 3: I got the right to kick a can in my backyard,

544
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 3: use my freedom of speech, turn my bad times into

545
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 3: a good time. Yes, I do. And I think I'm

546
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 3: a sport for doing so. Because I don't go to

547
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 3: their house kick down their doors flip them off on

548
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 3: their surveillance cameras, then try to play the victim and

549
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 3: sue them.

550
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 2: Can we talk about how incredibly tasty lemon pound cake is.

551
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 3: It's wonderful and apparently this was his mama's lemon pound cake.

552
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 3: So you tailors and you know, and the guy. To

553
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 3: be fair, lest we defame these officers any further, the

554
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 3: man didn't take a slice. He just eyed it hungrily.

555
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 4: It was something in the eyes. Also, yeah, I mistakenly

556
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 4: thought he maybe took a slice, so that would have

557
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 4: been a bridge too far.

558
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 3: There's also this whole deal about the money they took

559
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 3: it coming back to him four hundred dollars short.

560
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, they were four hundred light at least that's what

561
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 4: he said. And also the the thing about looking at

562
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 4: the powdcake tov is one of the uh, one of

563
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 4: the funniest parts of one of the funniest little twist

564
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 4: in the story, because if I remember correctly, and I

565
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 4: only learned about this when my girlfriend was immediately giving

566
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 4: me breaking updates, the issue is that the law enforcement

567
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 4: would likely say, well, we wondered if it was lemon

568
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 4: cake containing cannabis or something like that. Maybe that's how

569
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 4: they'll explain that thirsty stare. But you guys, watch it

570
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 4: and you tell us what you think that's the priority

571
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:30,399
Speaker 4: that law enforcement should be chasing. At this point, I'm

572
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 4: just going to read the closing statement from his lawyer

573
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 4: here Osborne was the name of.

574
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 3: The rapper's lawyer or the artist's lawyer. He says, what

575
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 3: does this message send if we find that music and

576
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 3: social commentary, while maybe not the most tasteful thing in

577
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,280
Speaker 3: the world, is silence because a public official was hurt

578
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 3: by it, And the answer then becomes, we don't want that.

579
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 3: And this is a quintessential free speech case that I

580
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 3: think has has implications that while we're just being entertained,

581
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,439
Speaker 3: like you said, Ben right now and having a good

582
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 3: time with this because it's just so meme worthy and

583
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 3: there's just nothing like seeing folks that are clearly in

584
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 3: the wrong just getting there butts handed to them in

585
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 3: this way, especially in a time where we're just seeing

586
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 3: so much injustice, I understand why this story is going

587
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 3: so viral and getting so widely reported on. This is

588
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 3: the kind of good news story that we need in

589
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 3: a time where we are just seemingly overtaken by villains.

590
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 3: You know, I don't mean to put too fine a

591
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 3: point on it or make it bigger than it is,

592
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 3: but I think that there's going to be something to

593
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,280
Speaker 3: This is going to be looked at by legal scholars

594
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 3: down the line, you know, an important as an important case.

595
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 4: I hope so, and I hope every time they look

596
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:51,320
Speaker 4: at it when they're for anybody who's getting their law degree.

597
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 4: I hope your professor plays the videos in full and.

598
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:58,280
Speaker 2: We also hope your professor brings in several giant lemon

599
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 2: pound cakes for you to eat while you peruse the case.

600
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 3: Enough for the class, That's what I'm saying. Well, and

601
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 3: to that point, y'all. The lemon pound cake video currently

602
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 3: has three point eight million views on YouTube. Pretty cool,

603
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 3: thank you, and one of the top comments, as NPR reports,

604
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 3: is shout out to the cops for making sure I

605
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 3: saw this absolute bop. That one has more than eight

606
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,919
Speaker 3: thousand likes, And as we know, this is a very

607
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,879
Speaker 3: classic example of something we often talk about here on

608
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 3: the podcast, the strissand effect. If you want people to

609
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 3: stop talking about this kind of thing and stop punking

610
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,800
Speaker 3: you and get on with your life, don't sue them

611
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:41,320
Speaker 3: in a clearly spurloss case that is gonna be videoed

612
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 3: and preserved, especially when the guy he gave him so

613
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,879
Speaker 3: much more footage, y'all, He's gonna make so many more

614
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 3: videos with this courtroom footage.

615
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:52,760
Speaker 4: I don't think they know how battle rap works.

616
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 3: I don't think they do. They. Yeah, man, you don't

617
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 3: bring a gun to a battle rap. You got to

618
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 3: bring bars. People have. Yeah, Well that's true, man, but

619
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 3: it's not. It's not. It's not it's not in the

620
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 3: spirit of the game.

621
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 4: It's not the spirit of the game. But this very

622
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 4: much is. Uh, thank you so much for bringing us

623
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 4: this story. I feel like it's fair to say we're

624
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 4: all pro Afro man, but I got to check with Dylan. Dylan,

625
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 4: do you have a strong pro or anti afroman stance.

626
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 2: I really love his fashion sense, I gotta say that

627
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 2: for sure.

628
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 3: Funny of that the outfitty war to court is what

629
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 3: the same outfitty war in one of the videos. So

630
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:34,399
Speaker 3: he is like on a branding play and I'm here

631
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 3: for it. That's all I got, y'all. I decided to

632
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 3: I thought that I just wanted some good news, some

633
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 3: fun news, some strange news. Let's take a quick break

634
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 3: here a word from our sponsor, and then we'll come

635
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636
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Speaker 2: Episode, and we are back with the bad news.

637
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Speaker 3: Every you an't spoil sport you.

638
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Speaker 2: We're jumping over to KOB Channel four in Albuquerque, New Mexico.

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Speaker 2: In the story written on March sixteenth, twenty twenty six,

640
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 2: the Berna Leo County Sheriff's Office search for missing retired

641
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Speaker 2: Air Force general expands. That is Berna Leo b R

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Speaker 2: N A l I LLLO. This is in New Mexico,

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Speaker 2: and they held a press conference on Monday, March sixteenth

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Speaker 2: to update the public on the ongoing search for a

645
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 2: retired US Air Force major general named William McCasland. We're

646
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 2: going to learn a lot about mister McCasland throughout this segment,

647
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 2: but let's kind of piecemeal some of the facts here

648
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 2: so we can get a big picture. The Sheriff's office

649
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 2: says they have not ruled out whether he is alive,

650
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 2: he is dead, or whether foul play may be involved.

651
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 2: Either way, they do know a few things. On Friday,

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Speaker 2: February twenty seventh, there was a repair man who was

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Speaker 2: at one of the homes owned by the mccastleans. This

654
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 2: person was the last one to interact with McCaslin at

655
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 2: his residence around ten am. Again, on a Friday morning,

656
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 2: at around eleven ten am, Susan mccaslan Wilkerson, this is

657
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:20,240
Speaker 2: the general's wife left the house for a medical appointment.

658
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 2: That's about an hour later. And then another hour later

659
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 2: at twelve four pm, mccaslen's wife returned home and her

660
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 2: husband was not there. However, his phone was there, his

661
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 2: prescription glasses were there, and his smart watch was there. Now, guys,

662
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 2: anytime you're going to leave the house, we've talked about

663
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 2: it before. Leaving your phone, your primary smartphone at home

664
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 2: is one of those things that you just don't do,

665
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 2: at least you don't do it purposefully. Sure, unless of

666
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 2: course you've like put it in the microwave, you know,

667
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 2: for one reason or another because you've got some shady

668
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 2: stuff to do, or some secretive stuff that you don't

669
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 2: want anyone to know about.

670
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,959
Speaker 4: Broke the SIM card. But either way, you know, it's

671
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 4: it's strange because when we're investigating stuff like this, generally

672
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,720
Speaker 4: not major general, we what we tend to lean toward

673
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 4: is something going wrong, because if people are trying to

674
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,919
Speaker 4: leave behind that kind of stuff. They're usually if they're

675
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 4: trying to commit suido side or they're trying to get

676
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 4: off the grid, they're usually going to either take that

677
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 4: stuff with them or take it to a location where

678
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 4: they feel it is safe to dispose of that stuff.

679
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 2: Correct, unless there's something else going on here, right, because

680
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 2: there were some items, some key items that appear to

681
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 2: have been taken by General McCaslin when he left the

682
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 2: house on foot his wallet, a red backpack, and a

683
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:53,879
Speaker 2: thirty eight caliber revolver and it's holster, which is like, hmm,

684
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,879
Speaker 2: maybe there's some business to be done here, if that's

685
00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:01,359
Speaker 2: what that reads to me. And last little piece of

686
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 2: information here, investigators early on when he went missing. Remember

687
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 2: we're talking about the end of February here, and we're

688
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,760
Speaker 2: recording this on Friday, March twentieth, So he is still

689
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 2: missing right now. He's been gone for a while. But initially,

690
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 2: early on, investigators released a photo of mccaslan in a

691
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:23,879
Speaker 2: light green, long sleeved button up shirt that they said

692
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 2: he may have been wearing at the time of his disappearance.

693
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,800
Speaker 2: Here's where it gets weird, you guys. This is happening

694
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 2: in Albuquerque, New Mexico, at one of the homes that

695
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 2: the mccastleans own. Okay, the sheriff's office said they can

696
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 2: used around seven hundred homes in and around this area

697
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:44,240
Speaker 2: near Quail Run Court in Albuquerque. They've also searched another

698
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 2: one of mccaslein's homes. This is a general you guys,

699
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 2: he owns multiple homes.

700
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 3: Come on.

701
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 2: This home is in Pagosa Springs, Colorado. And here's what

702
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 2: they found in the Pagosa Springs, Colorado home. A light green,

703
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:04,839
Speaker 2: long sleeve button up shirt and some hiking boots. Here's

704
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 2: why that's really crazy to me. And tell me what

705
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 2: you guys think. If that is in fact the outfit

706
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 2: he was wearing when he disappeared from the New Mexico

707
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 2: home and then it appears in the Pagosa Springs home,

708
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:21,439
Speaker 2: it means he somehow traveled over two hundred miles either

709
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 2: by foot by bike he was an avid biker by car,

710
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 2: and it also means he would have traveled over three

711
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 2: and a half hours if the entire trip was by car.

712
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 3: I mean, this is go bag type stuff, right, This

713
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 3: is like on the lamb type.

714
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 2: Stuff, doesn't it seem that way, and I don't want

715
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 2: to push traversing rough terrain.

716
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 3: He's like wearing the boots like he's doing the thing.

717
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 5: I mean.

718
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 4: And do we know the contents of the red backpack

719
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 4: at this point.

720
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 3: We do not. We do not just rope grappling hooks, imagine.

721
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 2: But there's so many scenarios that we could look into, right, right,

722
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 2: He likely was in a vehicle to travel that two

723
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:07,280
Speaker 2: hundred two hundred fifteen miles. That's just likelihood because people

724
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 2: were searching for him. And if he's on foot, that

725
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 2: would have taken days, like days to travel that far.

726
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 4: So like, yeah, I agree, I would agree with the

727
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 4: expert's conjecture. There is likely likely using a vehicle if

728
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 4: he made it to that secondary location, and probably not

729
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 4: aircraft just a little bit too easy to trace.

730
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because there's an active search for him almost immediately.

731
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 2: He had about an hour before anyone knew he was gone.

732
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 2: You know, if he's doing this kind of thing, I

733
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 2: think it's more likely that he had a vehicle stashed

734
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,359
Speaker 2: that probably a lot of people didn't know about, maybe

735
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 2: even his wife didn't know about. And then there was

736
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 2: probably something very important at the Pagosa Springs house, the

737
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 2: one in Colorado that he needed to collect, because I

738
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 2: mean that's again that is complete speculation. All of this

739
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 2: is speculation, traveling by car all that stuff. This is

740
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 2: just from reading the articles that have come out so

741
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 2: far and the knowledge that mcasslein is an avid outdoorsman.

742
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 2: According to all the reporting, a lot of the searching

743
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 2: has been done in the surrounding wilderness areas. There's a

744
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 2: lot of great places to hike and where there are

745
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 2: not a lot of people around that both of the

746
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:24,760
Speaker 2: homes actually that he owns, and actually the Sheriff's department

747
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 2: is asking anyone in the San Diez there's a mountains

748
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 2: area to come forward if they find anything unusual, particularly

749
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 2: thirty eight caliber shell casings, just to see if there's

750
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,879
Speaker 2: anything there. One of the weirdest things that happened when

751
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 2: Macastle went missing initially is there was a silver alert

752
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 2: put out there. This is a man who is sixty

753
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 2: eight years old, and a silver alert basically is there

754
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 2: is someone who is considered older who may be dealing

755
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:59,320
Speaker 2: Usually a silver silver alert means there's mental issues potentially

756
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 2: may be memory, maybe dementia, maybe alzheimer or something like

757
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 2: that associated with a silver alert, But a silver alert

758
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 2: doesn't mean that it's just usually associated with that. But

759
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 2: I thought it was fascinating that one got released almost immediately,

760
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 2: which made people question mccaslin's mental state, right if he

761
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:22,839
Speaker 2: encountered him, which to me feels purposeful, as in, you know,

762
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 2: let's make everyone think this guy's out of his mind, right,

763
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 2: so then even if law enforcement officials encounter him, they

764
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:36,240
Speaker 2: may approach him differently than just as a general. However,

765
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,320
Speaker 2: mcaslyn's wife has come forward several times in the news

766
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 2: since he went missing to say no, he was not disoriented,

767
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 2: he was not confused. He was complaining of mental fog

768
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 2: a few months before the disappearance. But mental fog, as

769
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 2: we know, can be associated with all kinds of different things,

770
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 2: including long COVID right. We know, it can be associated

771
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:59,320
Speaker 2: with all kinds of situations that are not actually dealing

772
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 2: with a full mental health emergency, let's say, or a

773
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 2: long term thing like dementia or Alzheimer's. And the reason

774
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 2: why we're bringing this to you it's interesting, first of all,

775
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 2: I think, but there's a quote here from the Sheriff's

776
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 2: department that we wanted to read here he goes, this

777
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 2: is Sheriff Allen there of the Bernolio Sheriff's Department. Let

778
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 2: me be straight. We've had a lot of tips, and

779
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 2: we go through all the tips, but there are some

780
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 2: tips with some outlandish theories, some conspiracy theories. We look

781
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,720
Speaker 2: into everything, but we're trying as a law enforcement agency

782
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 2: and entity to look at the facts and make sure

783
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 2: we can retrace before mister mccaslan went missing. Some of

784
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 2: the tips coming in. I don't want to say they're

785
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 2: wasting our time, because we would never say that, but

786
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 2: they are tedious to go through because there are a

787
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:55,320
Speaker 2: ton of conspiracy theories being generated about this man going

788
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 2: missing because of who he is and what he was

789
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 2: getting into. And that's what we have to do now,

790
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 2: really quickly, and it's we might need to do a

791
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 2: whole episode on General mccaslan. Guys, if that's okay. There's

792
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 2: so many details to his life and the special programs

793
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 2: that this man has touched agreed. According to the United

794
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 2: States Air Forces official website af dot Mill, he was

795
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 2: the former commander of the Air Force Research Laboratory at

796
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 2: Wright Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio, also known as

797
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:32,800
Speaker 2: Right pat He was responsible for managing the Air Force's

798
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 2: two point two billion dollars Science and Technology arm Science

799
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 2: and Technology of the Air Force. Guys. Anyone remember a

800
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 2: little thing called the Legacy program. Let's continue here. He

801
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:50,319
Speaker 2: served a wide variety of space research, acquisition and operations

802
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 2: roles within the Air Force and the National Reconnaissance Office

803
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:58,399
Speaker 2: the NRO. We've talked before about the importance of the

804
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 2: NRO and about signal intelligence and all kinds of other

805
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 2: things that they get into. Here's the one of the

806
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 2: big ones. He commanded the Phillips Site of Air Force

807
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:12,320
Speaker 2: Research Laboratory at Kirtland Air Force Base in New Mexico.

808
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 2: The Phillip Site, guys, includes the Space Vehicles Directorate and

809
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 2: the Directed Energy Directorate of the Air Force Research Laboratory.

810
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 2: Let me say that again, the Directed Energy Directorate. What

811
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:31,839
Speaker 2: is directed energy? That we just talked about. Lasers are

812
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 2: directed energy and also.

813
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:38,240
Speaker 3: The sound wave or whatever, the discombobulator of the microwaves.

814
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 2: Yes, the microwaves. That's a little weird. It's a little weird.

815
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:47,800
Speaker 2: He was Vice commander of the Ogden Air Logistics Center

816
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 2: in the Space and Missile Systems Center. He served at

817
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 2: the Pentagon as the director of Space Acquisition. This dude

818
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 2: is a huge deal and knows some stuff. We're not

819
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:02,320
Speaker 2: talking about just top secret stuff. We are talking about

820
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 2: the super secret thing beyond top secret stuff.

821
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 4: We're talking about compartmentalized information because.

822
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:10,439
Speaker 2: Yes, because he had all that under his belt, right,

823
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 2: but he also served uh for the the Office of

824
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 2: the Undersecretary of Defense for Acquisition, Technology, and Logistics as

825
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 2: the director of special Programs. Right, special programs. These are

826
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 2: the special access things that literally nobody gets to know about.

827
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 4: Things the president would not normally know about unless some

828
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:34,359
Speaker 4: political juice have been poured or.

829
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:36,479
Speaker 3: Expen what our show is named after.

830
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 4: This is the stuff they don't want you to know,

831
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:42,800
Speaker 4: friends and neighbors. And I think we've all been following

832
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 4: the Mcastle and story pretty closely right now, though to

833
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:47,879
Speaker 4: be clear, a.

834
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 2: Lot of people don't even know about this at all.

835
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:53,359
Speaker 2: It's not getting certainly nothing to me.

836
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 4: Maybe I'm bubbled. Just to finish this right now, to

837
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 4: be clear, Matt, can you verify for us that law

838
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 4: enforcement made no statements about suspecting homicide. They're just treating

839
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 4: it as a missing persons at this point, right.

840
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 2: They are, But they're certainly not ruling out foul play.

841
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 4: Say it definitely is, dude, Is that not? I don't

842
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 4: mean to Guys like that are slippery there. If you

843
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 4: want to get out, there are ways to get out.

844
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 3: So you think he disappeared himself.

845
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 4: I think he uh.

846
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 3: I think he was trying to and he got caught

847
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 3: up with I.

848
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 4: Think both are possible. We don't have enough information at

849
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:36,399
Speaker 4: this point, but we do have to Matt's earlier points there.

850
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:40,800
Speaker 4: We have some troubling precedents, we have some interesting timing

851
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 4: or alignment of events, and then we have other other

852
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:49,280
Speaker 4: stories that got re explored in the wake of this news.

853
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah. One last thing, just on some

854
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 2: of the previous reporting here. The Albuquerque Journal and a

855
00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 2: bunch of other places reported around March twelfth about some

856
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 2: statements that mccaslen's wife made on social media, which is

857
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 2: the language is very particular. Let's say, and then let's

858
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:21,800
Speaker 2: just let's just read a quote from this because McCaslin

859
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 2: was involved with Tom DeLong, and this is a guy

860
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 2: with all this kind of information in charge special access programs.

861
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 3: Tom gets in from music right, Yes, well, well a

862
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 3: huge disclosure guy. Oh that guy. Yeah, I forgot his

863
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 3: second life, second career. He went from music to disclosure

864
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:39,760
Speaker 3: to back to music.

865
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was involved with the to the Stars Academy,

866
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:49,360
Speaker 2: slash organization, whatever it is. He was kind of a

867
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 2: specialist who knew some things right, so he consulted with

868
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 2: them a lot. So his wife is talking about that.

869
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 2: I'm just going to read this quote. She responds to

870
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 2: questions about you know, him and his association with UFOs

871
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 2: U a P in particular in those communities, as well

872
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:10,879
Speaker 2: as the secrets that lie there. His wife says, m mmm,

873
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 2: this connection is not a reason for someone to abduct Neil.

874
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:19,720
Speaker 2: Listen to this language. Neil does not have any special

875
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:23,400
Speaker 2: knowledge about the e T bodies and debris from the

876
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 2: Roswell crash stored at right Pat, just as a statement.

877
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 2: He does not have any special knowledge about the ets

878
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 2: and bodies and debris from the Roswell crash that are

879
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:37,439
Speaker 2: stored at right pat.

880
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 4: As.

881
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:42,720
Speaker 3: Is that what we're talking about?

882
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 2: Extraterrestrials? But she just says it. She just says it

883
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 2: as he doesn't have any special knowledge about the stuff

884
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 2: that's there.

885
00:52:50,120 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 7: That is heard someone saying that's crazy, My my, I

886
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 7: gave me chills.

887
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:04,359
Speaker 2: Well, it's just one of those weird things, and it's

888
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 2: it's I'm taking it out of context a little bit.

889
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 2: You read the rest of it about you know, joking

890
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:11,800
Speaker 2: about him being beamed up to a mother ship, because

891
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 2: I mean, she makes a joke about that.

892
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 3: So maybe her sayings could be tongue in cheek as well.

893
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 4: It could be, and it may be that, to be clear, folks,

894
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 4: it may be that she's responding directly to some conspiratorial

895
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 4: speculation that irritated her, that she just saw, or maybe

896
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 4: somebody reached out to her.

897
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:33,800
Speaker 3: Like the way the grass used to talk about green

898
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:35,399
Speaker 3: little green men and.

899
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 2: You know, like that kind of Yeah, it could be that,

900
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:40,920
Speaker 2: or she should She could just be noting, Look, he

901
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 2: doesn't know about hot knowledge. That's just there. Beat me there,

902
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 2: Sorry about that, But yeah, there is one connection that well,

903
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 2: there are a bunch of connections being made obviously with

904
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:56,439
Speaker 2: directed weapons, the Havana syndrome stuff, the discombobulator, a bunch

905
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:59,360
Speaker 2: of stuff about potential space weapons, a bunch of stuff

906
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 2: about the tential false flags. But there is one other

907
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 2: person that's being connected to mccaslin's story that I didn't

908
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 2: make it before we came into this episode, Ben, why

909
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:10,840
Speaker 2: don't you tell us about that?

910
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,320
Speaker 4: Yes, this is something for anybody else who's been following

911
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:17,439
Speaker 4: this story the way we have. This is something that

912
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:22,720
Speaker 4: may put you a little bit closer to conspiratorial thought

913
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:27,919
Speaker 4: or speculation. While the disappearance of Major General William Neil

914
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 4: mclasland has you know, has a lot of people rightly worried,

915
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:39,319
Speaker 4: it has also brought attention on another unexplained disappearance that

916
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 4: happened about two months earlier before the mclassland news broke.

917
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 4: This is the story of Monica Reza are easy A

918
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:54,719
Speaker 4: disappeared while hiking. Her disappearance has been unresolved. Why are

919
00:54:54,760 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 4: these related? Because she worked on government funded rocket material projects,

920
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 4: aerospace projects overseen directly by the missing major general. So

921
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 4: now people are saying, is it possible that these disappearances

922
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 4: could be connected. Let me amend that she disappeared nine

923
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 4: months ago. She was in a on a hike in

924
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 4: a Los Angeles area forest and apparently, just like McCaslin,

925
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 4: she has a long jacket of working and the kind

926
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 4: of stuff that we love on stuff they don't want

927
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 4: you to know, you guys, She even invented a special

928
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:38,840
Speaker 4: metal that is used in rockets, and she did that

929
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 4: while she was working for the general.

930
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 3: Well, he does like a girl with a short skirt

931
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:45,720
Speaker 3: and a long jacket, and he is the very model

932
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 3: of a modern major general. I'm sorry, those were just

933
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:50,439
Speaker 3: floating around in my head. I had to get him out.

934
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 3: I had to get him out. Carry on cake and

935
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 3: Rogers and Hammerstein.

936
00:55:55,360 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 4: So apparently somebody saw her like moments before she disappeared.

937
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 4: She was behind them and she was waving, and then

938
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:07,400
Speaker 4: they looked back and she was a ghost. So I

939
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 4: ask you, guys, is it I want to be very

940
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 4: fair here. We always I always try to be very

941
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 4: fair with these things. It's it's possible that these are

942
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:20,279
Speaker 4: just coincidences, right, that these disappearances have nothing to do

943
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:20,799
Speaker 4: with each other.

944
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 3: It's possible, man, it is. It's possible.

945
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 4: It's possible.

946
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 3: We're not saying it's also probable that they're not.

947
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 2: Monica Reza's thing is really weird to me, just because

948
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 2: that person was only thirty thirty feet from her when

949
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 2: she disappeared, and there was a massive search through the

950
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 2: entire area that went on for weeks and weeks and

951
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 2: it's still ongoing, right, now because she has not been recovered,

952
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 2: very weird. If you're searching for Monica Reza, you will

953
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 2: find stories about her her going missing. If you if

954
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 2: you search for Monica Reza Jacinto J A. C. I

955
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:05,879
Speaker 2: nt O, you will find h the information about her

956
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 2: and rocket dyne or aerojet rocket dyne and this stuff

957
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:14,800
Speaker 2: called mond alloy, which was it's just this crazy revolutionary

958
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 2: nickel alloy that can be used for rockets, and she's

959
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 2: been developing it since the nineteen nineties and she's amazed.

960
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 2: Like her, her work is so important to the US

961
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 2: missile systems that exist and the future missile systems that

962
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 2: are currently being built and will be used. It is

963
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 2: the connection there, I think makes a ton of sense.

964
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 2: I do wonder if there is I've seen some speculation

965
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 2: if you look at red in other places, maybe this

966
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 2: is a lover's kind of thing.

967
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 4: She disappears, then he disappears. Yeah, it's happened before in

968
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 4: the past. I mean also, oh to details you need

969
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:05,479
Speaker 4: to know, folks. This person Resid is sixty years old

970
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 4: at the time of her disappearance. Her disappearance occurs on

971
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 4: June twenty second, twenty twenty five. We hadn't said that

972
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 4: specific yet, So if it was a if it was

973
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 4: a collaborative kind of Romeo and Juliet vanished together thing,

974
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 4: then that time window could still make sense.

975
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 3: Right.

976
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 4: Let me go and set up stuff first, and then

977
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 4: you'll meet me at the determined location after the heat

978
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 4: has died down. But again, no.

979
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 2: Proof or maybe has nothing to do with romance and

980
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 2: has something to do with a known project that is

981
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 2: underway or some other you know, they have intel and

982
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 2: knowledge about something that's coming. That's another big rumor. There's

983
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 2: all kinds of stuff that's out there. We recommend you

984
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 2: head over to Space News to an article written by

985
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:56,480
Speaker 2: Deborah Werner on December twentieth, twenty seventeen. It's titled what

986
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 2: is mond Alloy and Why should You Care? It features

987
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 2: a giant picture of Monica Jacinto, who is also Monica Reza,

988
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 2: holding one of one of these alloys that she helped develop,

989
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 2: and you can just you can see her there and

990
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 2: how important this technology and this material is. Crazy stuff.

991
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 2: Keep an eye out for General McCaslin. If you hear anything,

992
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 2: surely let us know. We'll be keeping our eyes and

993
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 2: ears to the ground and reappreciate your time, and that is.

994
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:31,440
Speaker 4: All, and that is the let's call it the end

995
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 4: of the beginning. We didn't get to the multiple waves

996
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 4: of drones that are being spotted over air force bases

997
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:40,360
Speaker 4: as we record, but we would love to hear your

998
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 4: thoughts on AFROMAN. We'd love to hear your thoughts on

999
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 4: missing generals and scientists. Please be careful when you use Strava, folks,

1000
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 4: just please be careful.

1001
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 6: Maybe just don't know, maybe just have don't gamify your

1002
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 6: personal health. Hit that rumba to the curb, and while

1003
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:04,000
Speaker 6: you are out on the curb, do look up number stations.

1004
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 6: Check out again V thirty two, the Farsi number station.

1005
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 6: We would love your thoughts on that and anything else

1006
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 6: you heard in a weekly Strange News segment. You are

1007
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:16,320
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1008
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:19,560
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1009
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:21,360
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1010
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:23,080
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1011
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:25,240
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1012
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:28,920
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1013
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:31,000
Speaker 3: I think there's more, Maddie, what you got?

1014
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 2: We have a phone number. It is one eight three

1015
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:39,120
Speaker 2: three std WYTK. Why don't you give it a call

1016
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 2: see what happens. It might be a voicemail. You could

1017
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:44,840
Speaker 2: give yourself a cool nickname and let us know if

1018
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:46,479
Speaker 2: we could use your name and message on the air.

1019
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:49,120
Speaker 2: It might show up in one of our listener mail episodes.

1020
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:51,880
Speaker 3: The message might self destruct, dude.

1021
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:54,000
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1022
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:55,360
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1023
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:58,800
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1024
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1025
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1026
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1027
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1028
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1029
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