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Speaker 2: Mike Harmon. Mike and Dan break down everything you need

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Speaker 2: let's get your flex onde. Here's Dan Bayer and Mike Harmon.

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Speaker 1: Welcome in.

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Speaker 4: It is I Want Your BLESI is Mike Harmen, I'm

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Speaker 4: Dan Byer. Ian Roddy is our executive producer. And we

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Speaker 4: dive into this episode kind of revisiting a topic that

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Speaker 4: we had in a previous episode recently.

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Speaker 1: Where we were talking about Super.

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Speaker 4: Bowl contenders, and it's going to kind of be the

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Speaker 4: jumping off point for some of the topics we want

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Speaker 4: to get into on this podcast, not only the super

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Speaker 4: Bowl contenders, but the complete other end of the spectrum

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Speaker 4: as well. Who's going to be tanking, who's gonna want

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Speaker 4: to be maybe not performing as well later on in

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Speaker 4: the season, and how you can use some of those

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Speaker 1: But Michael'll start with you.

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Speaker 4: I think you had five teams in your teams that

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Speaker 4: you believe could win a Super Bowl? Has anything changed

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Speaker 4: to make you add a team or take a team

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Speaker 3: I still have my reservations. I guess maybe a little

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Speaker 3: bit more on Baltimore, Right, I don't trust the defense.

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Speaker 3: Now you've got the kicking position long four to five,

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Speaker 3: long established, and you know the heroism and history. Hell

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Speaker 3: they're in. You know, normally in trading card sets, Dan,

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Speaker 3: and you've gone into this world Ian you're well aware

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Speaker 3: of this as well. It's like you normally don't get

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Speaker 3: and kickers. Right, you might have them in their initial

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Speaker 3: don't normally do that as veterans. It was Adam Vinitieri

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Speaker 3: and Justin Tucker. Justin Tucker's now hit that what do

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Speaker 3: we do here? And he's probably cost Lamar Jackson the

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Speaker 3: MVP with five losses at this point, right, because it's

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Speaker 3: But in the end, the m v P you gotta

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Speaker 3: you gotta get over right, It's the the the Ravens

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Speaker 3: is really concerning for me right now. Right the Bills

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Speaker 3: uh big win over San Francisco, so was still on

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Speaker 3: very differently in this coming week. But does Pittsburgh suddenly

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Speaker 3: enter the bubble a little bit? That's that's the thing

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Speaker 3: But I don't really have great confidence in either of

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Speaker 4: I had six of the five, you know, Mike ad Chiefs, Bills,

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Speaker 1: I will stay with my six.

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Speaker 4: I totally get your Ravens question or you know, you're

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Speaker 4: I don't think they have any any room whatsoever to

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Speaker 3: With it two weeks to figure it out. The big

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Speaker 3: But what's curious is with Detroit in division, and I'm

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Speaker 3: But all of a sudden, that makes it Philadelphia's maybe

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Speaker 3: we've got I don't think any reticence there except when

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Speaker 3: a Sirianni situation has to happen. But I'll add Green

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that. I think we'll find out. Obviously,

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Speaker 4: we'll find out soon. This week on Halligit. Green Bays

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Speaker 4: is there at Detroit for the Thursday Night Affair to

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Speaker 4: start week fourteen. And by the way, you know the

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Speaker 4: Lions have arrived, and Green Bay we'd know has arrived.

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Speaker 4: But this traditionally was usually the Cowboys window. A lot

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Speaker 1: So there is some room for Green Bay.

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Speaker 4: Ian Roddy, have you expanded from your list of two

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Speaker 4: that featured the Eagles and Lions?

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Speaker 5: like you have to worry about veterans hitting that wall. Well,

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Speaker 5: you know, thirty two they start to slow down. Thirty

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Speaker 5: Thirty five they're bad. It's like, no, when father time

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Speaker 4: Well I'll make this point with Tucker. It's funny because

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Speaker 4: That's Ian Roddy, Mike willing to budge Ian sort of wavering,

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Speaker 4: The San Francisco forty nine Ers were not a team

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Speaker 3: Yeah, fantasy wise difficult, right when you also, we've seen

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Speaker 3: Right right now, that's not what you're playing for.

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Speaker 1: Yep, exactly.

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Speaker 3: The aspirations were another date in late January into February

437
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Speaker 3: in New Orleans, and you know that's been torn us

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Speaker 3: under for a million reasons. Now it's trying to figure

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Speaker 3: out what you got left, what the next iteration of

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Speaker 3: Christian McCaffrey is, Pierce all and whatever else comes.

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Speaker 4: You know, there sure seems to be a fight for

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Speaker 4: the for the number one overall pick three teams right

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Speaker 4: now with two wins Jacksonville, the Raiders, and the Giants.

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Speaker 4: So when we look at the other side of this,

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Speaker 4: where you know, I do think that the forty nine

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Speaker 4: ers should start to tank, and you look at how

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Speaker 4: their season is going. There are teams that are gonna tank.

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Speaker 4: Who do you thinks throwing in the towel. Is there

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Speaker 4: places where we can look at fantasy value. Maybe on

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Speaker 4: the flip side, players are being looked at as possible,

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Speaker 4: you know, pushes for the next year. We always remember

452
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Speaker 4: Arion Foster from years back at that solid four game

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Speaker 4: stretch for the Texans and then took off the next season.

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Speaker 4: But where are you with the teams on the bottom

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Speaker 4: half of these NFL standings, the two wins squads, the

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Speaker 4: three win squads, the four win squads and so forth.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the curiosity, right. We talked a little bit

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Speaker 3: in the in Monday's podcast, or I should say Tuesdays

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Speaker 3: about the you know Jaguars and Trevor Lawrence, you know, obliquely,

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Speaker 3: so Mac Jones against a pretty bad schedule down the

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Speaker 3: stretch maybe, And again it's the whole what's the reading

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Speaker 3: the tea leaves of future quarterback plays? So he's got

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Speaker 3: something to play for. But I think we all agreed

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Speaker 3: Doug Peterson is probably getting fired, So you've got conflicting

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Speaker 3: hopes there, right to Balky probably should be out the

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Speaker 3: door as well. That's a whole other thing. He did

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Speaker 3: resign the left tackle, so yay. But you know, you're

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Speaker 3: looking at what they're doing. The Giant's clearly tanking. I

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Speaker 3: can't trust that Malik Neighbors has even seen enough footballs

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Speaker 3: at this point. Yeah right, you know, and he's complained

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Speaker 3: about it, but there's a larger thing at play. It's like,

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Speaker 3: you know how good he is, but you know, winning

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Speaker 3: doesn't help the process there, and you'll have a new

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Speaker 3: coaching staff or whatever else. We talked a little bit

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Speaker 3: about the Patriots and Rod Mayo. Drake May's put on

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Speaker 3: some pretty good tape. Think down the stretch, he's still fighting,

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Speaker 3: and it seems like the players want to fight for Mayo,

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Speaker 3: even if even if it's a mess and he him

479
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Speaker 3: handedly is doing some things, saying some things. I think

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Speaker 3: there's still some fight there. So you know, perhaps one

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Speaker 3: of those teams, you know, the antithesis of what you

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Speaker 3: would expect from a three win team at this point.

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Speaker 4: I think, you know, a team like Tennessee that we've

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Speaker 4: seen have a little fight but still not have success

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Speaker 4: in the win column.

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Speaker 1: There are three wins.

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Speaker 4: I think Carolina you can find some fantasy value showing

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Speaker 4: the way that Bryce Young has played. We talked a

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Speaker 4: bit about him. I mean that Adam Thieling likes great

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Speaker 4: against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Now you have a backfield

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Speaker 4: where Chuba Hubbard at a costly fumble for them that

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Speaker 4: would have sealed the deal for them in overtime to

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Speaker 4: get the game winning kick. But you have Jonathan Brooks

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Speaker 4: there that everybody's been waiting.

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Speaker 3: On, waiting on him for a long time.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So like there's value maybe in Jonathan Brooks.

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Speaker 4: And I'm not sure what you're going to get from

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Speaker 4: Chewba Hubbard down the way, but I think you know,

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Speaker 4: you look at a team like Carolina and heck team

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Speaker 4: that we spent a lot of time on our previous

501
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Speaker 4: podcast talking about the Cleveland Browns, you know, with Jamis

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Speaker 4: and what they've got. They're a three win team that

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Speaker 4: you know, we talked about him, you know, making a

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Speaker 4: spot start in the playoffs for.

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Speaker 3: You Yeah, I mean you got to look. You're looking

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Speaker 3: for where you can find the Bengals, where you can

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Speaker 3: find yeah, some of these weak squads along the way.

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Speaker 3: It's funny New England actually has the you know, according

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Speaker 3: to the old Takathon World, they've got the hardest schedule

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Speaker 3: remaining just ahead of Chicago with two dates against the Bills.

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Speaker 3: The Chargers, and then you've got the Cardinals. Those are

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Speaker 3: their final four games of the year, so not exactly,

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Speaker 3: you know, a bunch of lightweights, but the effort should

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Speaker 3: still be there. The Raiders a bottom ten schedule, you've

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Speaker 3: got a couple of the the other Tennessee has the

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Speaker 3: third easiest schedule remaining because they got two dates against

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Speaker 3: the Jacksonville Jags still on the schedule and one with

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Speaker 3: the Bengals. So you know, your Will Levis Express potentially

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Speaker 3: could be how about that we talked about it last

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Speaker 3: time with the bow Knicks Jamis Winston combo. How about

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Speaker 3: we parlay that net Will Levis do it to get

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Speaker 3: you through your fantasy playoffs in title Well, you know.

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Speaker 4: The great thing about Tankathon that I love is the

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Speaker 4: use of the NFL logos. Yep, you know because just

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Speaker 4: helmets end zones. I love the whole thing when you

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Speaker 4: talk about they have a whole column of easiest opponents.

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Speaker 4: And it's funny because San Francisco is the easiest opponents

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Speaker 4: for a lot of these teams, and we wouldn't think

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Speaker 4: of it, but maybe they're believing along our lines. But

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Speaker 4: with New England, they're the only one without a logo

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Speaker 4: and easiest opponents, you know, and Jacksonville's the flip side,

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Speaker 4: they're the only ones with the toughest opponents and no

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Speaker 4: logo in So yeah, just something something to look at

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Speaker 4: and something to consider down the stretch.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Jacksonville two against the Titans, one against the Jets, Colts,

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Speaker 3: and the Raiders along the way. But yeah, trying to

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Speaker 3: find some opportunity. And certainly, you know, with Ian streaming defenses,

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Speaker 3: each week it gets more and more delicious because you

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Speaker 3: get to start thinking about the who's giving up yeah

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Speaker 3: side of things, and the injuries that might only be

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Speaker 3: a one week injury, but at the end of a

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Speaker 3: year you're like, all right, you're a starting you know,

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Speaker 3: left cornerback. You know what, you're going to take the

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Speaker 3: final three weeks off. Maybe it gives us another four

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Speaker 3: slots in draft position or things of that nature.

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Speaker 4: Just a quick side note with Tankkthon, we love the

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Speaker 4: work that they did, but the one thing Tank Cathon

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Speaker 4: does that doesn't make any sense to me because other

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Speaker 4: sites do it. They do an NBA mock draft. Oh

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Speaker 4: and when you have a draft lottery and teams have

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Speaker 4: the same odds at the top to get the first pick.

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Speaker 4: How can you put even if they have the worst

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Speaker 4: record in the Washington Wizards getting Cooper Flag. It's my

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Speaker 4: only gripe because there's just no way to pick the lottery.

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Speaker 4: But you know what, I can't beggars, can't be choosers, Mike,

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Speaker 4: because we all love NBA mock drafts just like we

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Speaker 4: love NFL mock drafts. And even though they're really there's

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Speaker 4: no point to them, we still love to have them now.

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Speaker 3: But that's the beautia, and we'll do a few of them.

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Speaker 3: We'll have those for you here on I Watch You flext.

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Speaker 5: This podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'll say this. When the Seahawks had their.

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Speaker 4: Two first round picks from Denver, I did my own

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Speaker 4: mock drafts on those sites, and our Pro Football Focus

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Speaker 4: has them on other sites you know do as well.

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Speaker 4: But I would keep myself so busy and just draft

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Speaker 4: the draft class that that I loved. I loved the

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Speaker 4: expansion of mock drafts and how they've and just the

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Speaker 4: NFL draft is obviously we've seen, but to get people

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Speaker 4: to actively do their own for their own team. Jay Moore,

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Speaker 4: when I would do the Jymore Show, he would do

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Speaker 4: segments on our shows and Ian. He was a huge

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Speaker 4: Jets fan, so you would always do Jets mock drafts.

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Speaker 1: They were great.

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Speaker 4: It's it's it's such an different angle than we were

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Speaker 4: used to growing up.

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Speaker 1: But that's mod like that way for the last ten years.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely.

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Speaker 3: I always do my one one round mock draft the

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Speaker 3: day before everything. We've read everything, all the tea leaves.

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Speaker 3: They usually get like eight to ten right, and then

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Speaker 3: the rest of it is so catastrophically wrong based on

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Speaker 3: one trade that has that trickle down effect. It's always

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Speaker 3: that fun thing, where is it going to blow up?

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Speaker 3: And then you watch it unfold.

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Speaker 4: Well, I'll leave you with this story. There's a running

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Speaker 4: joke within the Seahawks community on how all the networks

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Speaker 4: go to break when the Seahawks go on the clock

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Speaker 4: in the first round, because it's usually because it's like

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Speaker 4: they don't care about who the Seahawks are going to pick,

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Speaker 4: or maybe they're not going to have an exciting pick,

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Speaker 4: but it's always the alright, and so and so is

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Speaker 4: now a New York Giant, and now the Seahawks are

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Speaker 4: on the clock.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back with their pick after this.

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Speaker 4: And it's because there's so there's no like six minute

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Speaker 4: discussion on how to improve the Seahawks or what they need,

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Speaker 4: or who was good and who was bad or who

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Speaker 4: they've been fighting over. They just go to commercial and

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Speaker 4: then they come back and they're like, the pick is in,

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Speaker 4: let's go to the commissioner.

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Speaker 5: Like how Nikola Jokic was drafted in the middle of

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Speaker 5: a Taco bell commercial.

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Speaker 1: You know, yeah, darn near close.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, not that I expect you to remember this

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Speaker 4: in late April, but when you do, just remember they're

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Speaker 4: going to go to break right when the Seahawks are

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Speaker 4: going to be on the clock.

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Speaker 3: So anyway, that's a brilliant closer right there, Dan, Well.

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Speaker 4: We will end with that, so we'll be back with

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Speaker 4: another episode at the end of the week. Michael Love

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Speaker 4: his rankings four week fourteen, and again six teams on

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Speaker 4: buy this week, So remember that you're going to have

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Speaker 4: to adjust your lineups, even if it is the final

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Speaker 4: week of your regular season. In fantasy football, we blame

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Speaker 4: the NFL. So for my Carmen, Andy and Roddy, I'm

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Speaker 4: Dan Byer. Can't wait to talk to you next time

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Speaker 4: right here, and I will your flax in the