WEBVTT - Crackdown on Stop Cop City

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<v Speaker 1>Cool zone media, get ready for anarchy in Atlanta.

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<v Speaker 2>Visit you got me first, or you won't be a

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<v Speaker 2>rend anarchist start work. They struck again this week.

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<v Speaker 3>Cops are approaching now obviously.

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<v Speaker 4>Got a flashbuyn there. This is it could Happen Here.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm Garrison Davis. For the past three years, a wide

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<v Speaker 4>range of people in Atlanta, Georgia have been working to

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<v Speaker 4>prevent the construction of a now one hundred and ten

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<v Speaker 4>million dollar militarized police training facility in the South River

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<v Speaker 4>Forest in southeast Atlanta. I've continuously covered the evolving struggle

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<v Speaker 4>on it Could Happen Here for the past few years.

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<v Speaker 5>Now.

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<v Speaker 4>In this episode, I will attempt to summarize some of

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<v Speaker 4>the actions from the past six months and the wave

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<v Speaker 4>of recent repression targeted against the movement. I will also

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<v Speaker 4>so who offers some analysis and critique on behalf of

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<v Speaker 4>anonymous Force Defenders who spoke with me in dedicated conversations.

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<v Speaker 4>After the last week of action in summer of twenty

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<v Speaker 4>twenty three, it was clear the movement needed a new

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<v Speaker 4>way of people to engage in the struggle against Cop City,

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<v Speaker 4>beyond the referendum and the occasional night time sabotage. Forest

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<v Speaker 4>encampments were essentially impossible, and the weeks of action seemed

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<v Speaker 4>to expunge their usefulness. A small group of people began

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<v Speaker 4>organizing what would become known as block cop City. The

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<v Speaker 4>idea was that on Monday, November thirteenth, a mass mobilization

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<v Speaker 4>would descend upon the cop City construction site in an

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<v Speaker 4>act of non violent protest, and perhaps plant tree saplings

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<v Speaker 4>where the forest once stood. This marks the first time

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<v Speaker 4>that the framing of quote unquote strategic nonviolence and nonviolent

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<v Speaker 4>direct action were embraced for a mass action like this,

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<v Speaker 4>hoping that it may attract NGOs and activist groups to

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<v Speaker 4>co sign onto the action. Historically, throughout this struggle, such

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<v Speaker 4>quote unquote nonviolent framing was at least avoided, if not

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<v Speaker 4>explicitly rejected, as a limiting restriction toward achieving measurable victories

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<v Speaker 4>against the Atlanta Police Foundation and Cop City contractors. Throughout

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<v Speaker 4>the end of summer and the start of fall, a

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<v Speaker 4>speaking tour for Block cup City traveled to over eighty

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<v Speaker 4>cities around the country to promote the action and recruit

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<v Speaker 4>people to travel to Atlanta come November. Block cup City

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<v Speaker 4>started as a very vertical top down plan the central

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<v Speaker 4>Conceit was decided upon by a small number of individuals,

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<v Speaker 4>many of whom were not from Atlanta, and the finer

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<v Speaker 4>details would be worked out in a series of public

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<v Speaker 4>meetings in the days before the action. Whether or not

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<v Speaker 4>local force defenders liked or disliked the proposal, block up

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<v Speaker 4>City acted as a gravity well, sucking nearly all of

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<v Speaker 4>the energy, time, and attention into its orbit for the

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<v Speaker 4>entirety of a fall in Atlanta throughout the nationwide block

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<v Speaker 4>cop City. Speaking to her, a small subset of attendees

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<v Speaker 4>voiced objections and disagreements with the proposed strategy and its

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<v Speaker 4>use of time and resources. Those opposed to block cop

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<v Speaker 4>City thought the idea of a large public march to

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<v Speaker 4>the worksite was going to put people in unnecessary harm

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<v Speaker 4>without doing much to achieve a measurable blow against cop City.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm going to quote from a report back that was

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<v Speaker 4>published online shortly after the action. Quote. Something that tends

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<v Speaker 4>to happen in autonomous action is that there ends up

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<v Speaker 4>being an inner circle at the core, which can limit

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<v Speaker 4>the scope of who is able to meaningfully contribute to

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<v Speaker 4>the direction of an action, because it creates a hierarchy

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<v Speaker 4>at Spokes Council. It felt like this at times because

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<v Speaker 4>it was primarily a small group of speakers who were

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<v Speaker 4>directing the entire Block cop City movement. This led to

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<v Speaker 4>dismissal of certain concerns which were brought up by affinity

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<v Speaker 4>groups unquote. In the planning stages, organizers pushed back on

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<v Speaker 4>the notion that getting arrested was part of the plan,

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<v Speaker 4>but on the day before the November thirteenth action, a

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<v Speaker 4>Block Up City organizer told press and media in a

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<v Speaker 4>private meeting to have your cameras ready because there will

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<v Speaker 4>be arrests at noon, demonstrating some form of intent to

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<v Speaker 4>use people's safety and freedom as a way to generate

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<v Speaker 4>online buzz with the hope of inspiring people to once

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<v Speaker 4>again take action in the forest. The possibility of arrest

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<v Speaker 4>was obviously mentioned at the spokes Council meetings, but was

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<v Speaker 4>framed as far from a certainty, with rallying cries insisting

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<v Speaker 4>that the march will be able to all leave together.

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<v Speaker 4>During the two days of Spokes Council meetings, the route

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<v Speaker 4>and formation of the march to the construction site was

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<v Speaker 4>decided upon, and quote unquote, direct action trainings took place

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<v Speaker 4>to prepare people for the march on Monday morning. The

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<v Speaker 4>march was to be split into three distinct clusters, a frontline, middle,

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<v Speaker 4>and rear. Before the march, there was limited communication between clusters,

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<v Speaker 4>making it difficult to have informed expectations of how a

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<v Speaker 4>confrontation with police will happen. Part of the quote unquote

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<v Speaker 4>strategic nonviolence stipulation meant that throne objects and projectiles were

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<v Speaker 4>explicitly disallowed. On the morning of the march, words started

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<v Speaker 4>to spread around that what was left of the frontline

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<v Speaker 4>cluster decided that only bullets will make the frontline fall back,

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<v Speaker 4>and that they would withstand all other forms of police violence,

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<v Speaker 4>mostly les, lethal rounds, tear gas, batons, etc. Now, this

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<v Speaker 4>whole thing about live rounds was not widely communicated to

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<v Speaker 4>people who just showed up for the action. On Monday morning,

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<v Speaker 4>during the spokes councils, it was learned that a vast

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<v Speaker 4>majority of attendees had never before been to Atlanta or

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<v Speaker 4>the forest, and a great many of whom had never

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<v Speaker 4>attended a protest or engaged in a clash with police before.

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<v Speaker 4>Some local force defenders took issue with the perceived strategy

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<v Speaker 4>of primiery recruiting young people from across the country with

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<v Speaker 4>little to no experience going up against police. Come Monday morning,

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<v Speaker 4>the number of people gathered to march on cop City

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<v Speaker 4>was far fewer than what was initially hoped. It's impossible

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<v Speaker 4>to say for sure whether the limiting of acceptable tactics

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<v Speaker 4>and the non violent framing hurt or helped the final

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<v Speaker 4>number of attendees. Regardless, the four hundred or so brave

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<v Speaker 4>people that departed Gresham Park was not the mass action

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<v Speaker 4>initially envisioned by organizers.

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<v Speaker 3>Got about three dozen riot cops and SWAT teams stationed here,

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<v Speaker 3>blocking off the road heading to the west. Got police shields,

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<v Speaker 3>We have air of fifteen's, We have tactical response vehicles ATV,

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<v Speaker 3>A lot of cops behind us, a lot of cops

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<v Speaker 3>in front of us. We are completely sandwiched in by

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<v Speaker 3>the police.

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<v Speaker 4>Right now, the front liners approach the police riot line

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<v Speaker 4>at the big intersection near the entrance to Entrenchment Creek Park.

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<v Speaker 4>Two large banners formed a V shaped wedge and the

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<v Speaker 4>crowd advanced into the police line.

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<v Speaker 3>People are pushing through, Cops are putting out the fight.

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<v Speaker 4>People are continuing to move forward. The march is pushing

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<v Speaker 4>the cops back. Under the pressure from a few hundred people,

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<v Speaker 4>The police line was pushed back by one or two

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<v Speaker 4>dozen feet front liners. We stood, police batons and leslie communitions.

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<v Speaker 4>Steady progress was being made. That was until tear gas

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<v Speaker 4>got deployed. Cops are continuing to loop back, flash bang,

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<v Speaker 4>we got a gap. Cs Gas was first launched into

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<v Speaker 4>the middle of the crowd. Police paused to put on

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<v Speaker 4>their own gas masks, but instead of using this moment

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<v Speaker 4>to advance further, the bulk of the crowd held their position,

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<v Speaker 4>with large sections of the middle cluster subsequently entering into

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<v Speaker 4>the tree line of Entrenchment Creek Park as continuing volleys

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<v Speaker 4>of tear gas were fired by police. This caused the

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<v Speaker 4>front line to retreat back, effectively ending the offensive portion

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<v Speaker 4>of the action. As the group that entered into the

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<v Speaker 4>forest was later escorted out by police, rejoined the march

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<v Speaker 4>and eventually returned to Gresham Park. Everyone knew that it

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<v Speaker 4>was a near certainty that police would confront a mobile crowd,

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<v Speaker 4>and out maneuvering police all the way to the construction

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<v Speaker 4>site would be highly unlikely. The only way a mass

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<v Speaker 4>of people would be able to get to the work

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<v Speaker 4>site is if police allowed it. Still, there's much to

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<v Speaker 4>learn from Block cop City, and even just the brief

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<v Speaker 4>skirmish with police. So forgive me for engaging in some

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<v Speaker 4>tactical analysis based on the good portion of my life

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<v Speaker 4>spent in riot jousts and input from others with more

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<v Speaker 4>on the ground experience. We first have to think about

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<v Speaker 4>what will cause a mass of people to break up, scatter,

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<v Speaker 4>and retreat. Both on the protester side and on the

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<v Speaker 4>police side. The front lines are meant to act semi fluid. Typically,

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<v Speaker 4>projectile launchers are behind the front line and are designed

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<v Speaker 4>to scatter the opposing front line and middle sections of

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<v Speaker 4>the enemy side to disrupt an offensive formation so that

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<v Speaker 4>it loses its capacity for for momentum, or to stagger

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<v Speaker 4>a defensive line enough to force retreat, as was the

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<v Speaker 4>case on November thirteenth. When a layered defensive police line

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<v Speaker 4>is backed up with vehicles like a bearcat, the on

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<v Speaker 4>foot line will most likely not retreat back behind their vehicles. Frustratingly,

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<v Speaker 4>these massive police vehicles occupy a sort of paradoxical role

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<v Speaker 4>as a ten ton roadblock that would force a center

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<v Speaker 4>advancing line to break apart in order to pass, putting

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<v Speaker 4>the advancing line in a less strategic position, even though

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<v Speaker 4>if the vehicle was threatened by being overrun, police would

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<v Speaker 4>probably attempt to pull the vehicle back, signifying retreat. So

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<v Speaker 4>how has this paradox been solved before? Well with ranged

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<v Speaker 4>attacks like bottles, fireworks and what the State of Ukraine

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<v Speaker 4>was teaching its civilians to make in the early days

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<v Speaker 4>of the Russian invasion. This is why projectiles are of

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<v Speaker 4>such a strategic importance. One cannot break through a police

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<v Speaker 4>line without employing violence. Utilizing projectiles is necessary to force

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<v Speaker 4>rear police vehicles to retreat, along with the CoP's own

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<v Speaker 4>projectile launchers placed behind their riot line, which are used

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<v Speaker 4>to break up the opposing front line, and police have

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<v Speaker 4>no such tactical non violence scruples against using projectiles. Some

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<v Speaker 4>Atlanta anarchists have also noted that the resources put towards

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<v Speaker 4>acquiring a great number of plants that ended up just

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<v Speaker 4>being abandoned could also have been used to acquire gas

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<v Speaker 4>masks for the middle cluster, reinforced shields, and ancillary materials

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<v Speaker 4>put towards prioritizing the crowd's efficacy and safety against the

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<v Speaker 4>use of crowd controlled munitions. Thankfully there were no arrests

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<v Speaker 4>made in direct connection to the march, but I don't

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<v Speaker 4>believe this can be accredited to any comprehensive organizing. When

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<v Speaker 4>the day prior, media was told that arrests would be

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<v Speaker 4>taking place by lunchtime, for whatever reason, the police let

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<v Speaker 4>a kettled crowd of people go free. We can only

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<v Speaker 4>speculate on why, between the logistical hassles, the stretching of

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<v Speaker 4>prosecutor resources, and the bomb squad that was actively sweeping

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<v Speaker 4>the area of Entrenchment Creek Park and checking all of

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<v Speaker 4>the bags and backpacks that were dropped in the area

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<v Speaker 4>where the splinter of the march was escorted out by police.

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<v Speaker 4>When talking with Force defenders in Atlanta who've spent years

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<v Speaker 4>now engaging in militant struggle against police, they offered a

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<v Speaker 4>more fundamental critique of this action. If the choice to

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<v Speaker 4>employ a strategy of nonviolence is in response to grossly

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<v Speaker 4>inflated charges and repression the movement is facing, as some

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<v Speaker 4>block op City organizers have stated, that means that you're

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<v Speaker 4>a allowing the state to determine your rules of engagement.

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<v Speaker 4>The entire idea of announcing your plan to walk onto

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<v Speaker 4>one of the most policed areas in the country, did

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<v Speaker 4>in fact prevent people with more on the ground experience

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<v Speaker 4>from participating On the day of the action. Risk requires reward.

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<v Speaker 4>A small core of organizers were so steadfast in one

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<v Speaker 4>particular version of how this event would take shape, branding

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<v Speaker 4>people with disagreements as all overly online disaffected nihilists no

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<v Speaker 4>longer involved in the struggle in Atlanta. Not only were

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<v Speaker 4>online critiques discarded, but opportunities for in person conversations and

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<v Speaker 4>input from people with more on the ground experience in

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<v Speaker 4>Atlanta were also turned down. And I think it is

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<v Speaker 4>important to state hats off to the many young people

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<v Speaker 4>that traveled from around the country to participate in this action.

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<v Speaker 4>One can hope that block cop City broadly and going

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<v Speaker 4>up against this line of armed riot police was a

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<v Speaker 4>useful learning experience for whatever happens next in these people's

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<v Speaker 4>lives as we approach the twenty twenty four election and

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<v Speaker 4>who knows what is to come. The night after Block

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<v Speaker 4>Cop City, six vehicles owned by the company Ernst Concrete

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<v Speaker 4>were set on fire in Gwinnett County, Georgia. Earlier that fall,

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<v Speaker 4>Ernst Concrete trucks were seen working on the cop City

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<v Speaker 4>construction site. After the arson, Ernst Concrete released a statement

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<v Speaker 4>saying that they were not going to work on the

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<v Speaker 4>cop City project. In an Atlanta Police Department press conference

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<v Speaker 4>from December twenty twenty three, Chief Darren Sheerbaum discussed a

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<v Speaker 4>wave of recent arsons Gonda.

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<v Speaker 1>The most recent one happened in Gwinnette County this past November.

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<v Speaker 1>This was Ernst Concrete when a number of construction equipment

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<v Speaker 1>was set on fire. Then we go to three arsons

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<v Speaker 1>that happened right here in Atlanta mcdonna Boulevard where a contractor,

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<v Speaker 1>Brent Scarborough, was targeted three different times in the month

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<v Speaker 1>of October of this year, July of this year, as

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<v Speaker 1>well as April this year. We see that the same

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<v Speaker 1>group takes credit each and every time on their source

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<v Speaker 1>of giving information out and so it is likely to

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<v Speaker 1>be that same group, very small in number, moving from.

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<v Speaker 2>State to state. Is likely the profile of these individuals.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very very small.

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<v Speaker 1>It is a handful of individuals that are having a

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<v Speaker 1>much larger impact on the safety of the city than

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<v Speaker 1>they should have.

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<v Speaker 4>Atlanta Fire Chief Roderick Smith and John King, the Georgia

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<v Speaker 4>Insurance and Fire Safety Commissioner. Both talked about how these

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<v Speaker 4>arsons negatively affect the contractors working to build cop city.

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<v Speaker 6>As we talk about impacts caused by arson, it affects

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<v Speaker 6>our businesses, those that are participating in helping out building

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<v Speaker 6>the Atlanta Public Safety Training Center. We suffer from additional

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<v Speaker 6>cost due to arson that these companies face. An individual

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<v Speaker 6>Jeel's faith.

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<v Speaker 5>This affects every one of our citizens in the area because

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<v Speaker 5>all these losses. Yes, there's an insurance company that will

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<v Speaker 5>probably cover some of the costs, but those losses will

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<v Speaker 5>be passed on to customers, so we all will take

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<v Speaker 5>the losses.

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<v Speaker 4>On January seventeenth, APD put out another press conference to

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<v Speaker 4>discuss even though the police are already doing such a

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<v Speaker 4>great job outstopping crime when it's fourteen degrees and homicides

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<v Speaker 4>continue to decline, even still, a new state of the

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<v Speaker 4>art police training facility is vital to maintain safety in

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<v Speaker 4>the city of Atlanta.

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<v Speaker 1>We've asked you to come together again today because there

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<v Speaker 1>is an effort underway by very small groups of individuals

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<v Speaker 1>anarchists that want to impact the safety of Atlanta, Georgia.

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<v Speaker 2>Just yesterday, piece.

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<v Speaker 1>Of equipment aligned with one of the construction companies that

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<v Speaker 1>is building the public safety training center for every Atlantin

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<v Speaker 1>set on fire. Next door in a neighboring state of

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<v Speaker 1>South Carolina, we had a construction company that had a

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<v Speaker 1>loose connection to the project here that was targeted by

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<v Speaker 1>an individual that used one of the tools of violence

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<v Speaker 1>sphere and intimidation that has been used mainly by this group,

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<v Speaker 1>which is arson, set equipment on fire, going after concrete trucks,

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<v Speaker 1>and so soon the individuals that have been in the

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<v Speaker 1>dark of night, impacting everyone of our neighborhoods will be

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<v Speaker 1>held responsible as we bring these individuals to justice.

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<v Speaker 4>Police in South Carolina were able to identify a suspect

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<v Speaker 4>and ended up arresting and charging them with arson. The

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<v Speaker 4>fire chief elaborated on the theoretical risks of arson, such

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<v Speaker 4>as injury to human life and the ugly sight of

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<v Speaker 4>burnt rubble left over in neighborhoods, as well as reiterating

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<v Speaker 4>how it affects the cop City project.

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<v Speaker 2>What are the effects of arson financial?

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<v Speaker 6>As we've heard earlier, the impact that the equipment being

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<v Speaker 6>burned plays of role with the company's working delays in

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<v Speaker 6>the project due.

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<v Speaker 4>To this, less than a week later, the city had

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<v Speaker 4>a other press conference in front of burnt husks of

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<v Speaker 4>equipment outside a construction site run by a Cop City contractor.

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<v Speaker 1>If you look over my shoulder, you will see the

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<v Speaker 1>equipment that was burned.

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<v Speaker 2>It belongs to a private contractor.

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<v Speaker 1>There were total four pieces of heavy construction equipment that

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<v Speaker 1>were damaged this morning.

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<v Speaker 4>Chief Scheerbomb quickly linked the attack to stop coop City

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<v Speaker 4>due to a post online about the attack accompanied by

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<v Speaker 4>the hashtag stop cop City.

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<v Speaker 2>The hashtag is present.

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<v Speaker 4>Scherbomb also gave an updated account on the number of

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<v Speaker 4>arson attacks which have targeted construction equipment.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe now we're right at thirty four that have

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<v Speaker 1>occurred here in the state of Georgia and elsewhere. The

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<v Speaker 1>vast majority of them are concentrated in North Georgia, but

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<v Speaker 1>there are others that have occurred elsewhere. We're very fortunate

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<v Speaker 1>of an arrest in South Carolina. There's clearly at least

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<v Speaker 1>one other person. This individual or individuals don't care about

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<v Speaker 1>life and safety. If they fire bombed police precincts. Their

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<v Speaker 1>go is to a road, proper public safety infrastructure, and

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<v Speaker 1>to row the government.

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<v Speaker 4>Very cool stuff. Indeed, I do believe that thirty four

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<v Speaker 4>number is a gross undercount, but hey, if they've forgotten

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<v Speaker 4>a few attacks, really no real harm in that. We have, however,

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<v Speaker 4>gotten a few recent numbers on the monetary damages caused

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<v Speaker 4>by stop cop city activity. In a Georgia State Senate

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<v Speaker 4>committee meeting near the end of January, State Senator Debra

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<v Speaker 4>Silcox said that APD Chief Administrative Officer Peter Amman told

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<v Speaker 4>her earlier that day that the estimated cost of nationwide

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<v Speaker 4>property damage made in protest of cop City exceeds one

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<v Speaker 4>hundred million dollars. That beats the ELF numbers. Now four

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<v Speaker 4>days later, the Atlanta Police Department tried to backtrack that

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<v Speaker 4>number to New York Times reporter Sean Keenan, now saying

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<v Speaker 4>that it was ten million dollars in property damage, a

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<v Speaker 4>one thousand percent difference, which either way is a massive

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<v Speaker 4>amount of money. And we do know for sure that

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<v Speaker 4>the city has spent at least one point three million

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<v Speaker 4>dollars just in the legal fees related to cop City.

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<v Speaker 4>We know at least some of that one point three

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<v Speaker 4>million dollars was used to combat the cop City referendum campaign,

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<v Speaker 4>an initiative started last summer to collect petition signatures to

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<v Speaker 4>put cop city on an upcoming ballot. I talked with

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<v Speaker 4>Sam Barnes of the Atlantic Community Press Collective to get

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<v Speaker 4>an update on the current state of the referendum.

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<v Speaker 7>The referendum has more or less been stalled out since

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<v Speaker 7>last fall. In response to a lawsuit from Decab County

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<v Speaker 7>residents who claimed that their First Amendment rights were being

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<v Speaker 7>infringed upon because they were not allowed to canvas for signatures,

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<v Speaker 7>A core issued down an injunction, basically allowing the referendum

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<v Speaker 7>campaign to have addition time to collect and then turn

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<v Speaker 7>in signatures. The city then appealed that injunction. That whole

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<v Speaker 7>situation is currently before the US Court of Appeals, who

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<v Speaker 7>heard arguments from the city's lawyers and the vote campaign's

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<v Speaker 7>lawyers in January and who have not yet issued a

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<v Speaker 7>ruling on that appeal.

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<v Speaker 4>The referendum campaign has turned in what they say are

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<v Speaker 4>one hundred and sixteen thousand signatures, which, if verified, should

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<v Speaker 4>be more than enough to get the referendum onto the ballot,

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<v Speaker 4>but the City of Atlanta has said that they cannot

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<v Speaker 4>start counting these signatures until the Court of Appeals issues

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<v Speaker 4>their ruling.

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<v Speaker 7>It's not really clear where in case law, or in

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<v Speaker 7>Georgia code, or wherever they are getting that legal precedent from.

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<v Speaker 7>But it is the line they are sticking to. So

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<v Speaker 7>long story short, even if the city was to start

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<v Speaker 7>counting votes today, and even if there were enough to

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<v Speaker 7>get this referendum on the ballot the next election, it

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<v Speaker 7>could appear on the ballot in is the general election

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<v Speaker 7>in November twenty twenty four. Cop City for APD and

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<v Speaker 7>the APF's repeated claims is going to open and fall

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<v Speaker 7>of twenty twenty four. Now, I don't personally have a

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<v Speaker 7>lot of faith in that at one point it was

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<v Speaker 7>going to open in August twenty twenty three, just the

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<v Speaker 7>simple fact of every construction project runs into delays. But

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<v Speaker 7>I think it is pretty clear, especially given the clear

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<v Speaker 7>cutting and the concrete pouring that has already happened on

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<v Speaker 7>the site, that it will make significant progress by by November.

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<v Speaker 7>It's pretty obvious that the city strategy here is to

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<v Speaker 7>just delay and delay and delay the referendum until the

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<v Speaker 7>thing gets built, effectively just making the refere random dead

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<v Speaker 7>in the water.

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<v Speaker 4>On February eighth, the Federal Bureau of Investigation connected a

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<v Speaker 4>series of house raids on three homes in South Atlanta

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<v Speaker 4>that they suspected of being linked to Stop Coop City activists.

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<v Speaker 4>Phones and computers were seized, along with stop Coop City

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<v Speaker 4>related zines and posters. Occupants of the house were dragged outside,

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<v Speaker 4>sometimes literally. A few were detained for hours on end,

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<v Speaker 4>with one being driven to a police headquarters for interrogation,

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<v Speaker 4>but was released later that evening.

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<v Speaker 1>This morning, at six am, investigators of the Land of

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<v Speaker 1>Fire Rescue, Georgia berl of Investigation, Federal Burial of Investigation,

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<v Speaker 1>Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, and the Atlanta Police Department,

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<v Speaker 1>joined by uniformed elements of this department, the Georgia State Patrol,

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<v Speaker 1>executed search warrants signed by judges who'd review the probable cause,

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<v Speaker 1>allowing us to enter three locations to seek evidence connected

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<v Speaker 1>to acts of vandalism and arson that have occurred over

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<v Speaker 1>the last few months. As investigators went to those locations,

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<v Speaker 1>they were armed with an arrest.

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<v Speaker 4>War It's worth noting that the search warrants cited federal

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<v Speaker 4>statutes on the destruction of vehicles and reco While executing

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<v Speaker 4>one of these raids, police located in individual whom an

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<v Speaker 4>arrest warrant was issued for days prior and brought them

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<v Speaker 4>into custody. This arrest, along with the one in South Carolina,

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<v Speaker 4>also marked the very first arrests linked to clandestine nighttime

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<v Speaker 4>attacks in the three year history of the movement.

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<v Speaker 2>We're processing all the locations now.

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<v Speaker 1>The evidence to make that arrest had already been in

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<v Speaker 1>possession of law enforcement even before we executed the search

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<v Speaker 1>warrants this morning, So the arrest wort was signed before today,

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<v Speaker 1>and the arrest wort was not connected with the search

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<v Speaker 1>warsols were independent of the arrest we'd be making once

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<v Speaker 1>we located this gentleman.

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<v Speaker 4>In a city press conference, the mayor opened by saying

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<v Speaker 4>this arrest was quote linked to multiple acts of vandalism

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<v Speaker 4>and arson unquote, yet they were only charged with one

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<v Speaker 4>account of first arrearson, which police linked to the burning

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<v Speaker 4>of eight police motorcycles last July, near the end of

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<v Speaker 4>that summer's week of action. This particular arson is unique

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<v Speaker 4>from the many other copcity related at arsens in a

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<v Speaker 4>few ways. This was not targeting construction equipment. Instead, it

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<v Speaker 4>was directly targeting police infrastructure. An unexploded plastic andcendiary device

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<v Speaker 4>was left at the scene and the police training building

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<v Speaker 4>that was singed, the city now claims was occupied by

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<v Speaker 4>a police officer.

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<v Speaker 1>WI was often overlooked as inside of that precinct was

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<v Speaker 1>a protector of the city Atlanta police officers inside.

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<v Speaker 4>As police have said they only had enough information to

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<v Speaker 4>make this one arrest linked to this one specific instance

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<v Speaker 4>of arson. Thus, these raids can be seen both as

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<v Speaker 4>an intimidation attempt and a last ditch effort to collect

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<v Speaker 4>additional information necessary to make future arrests.

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<v Speaker 2>More rest will come.

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<v Speaker 1>It will come soon and will continue to hold people

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<v Speaker 1>accountable to Everyone that has been involved in these acts

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<v Speaker 1>are in jail before a judge. The investigation is very active, ma'am.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a reason we serve three search warrants today.

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<v Speaker 2>We do. We are looking in a wide range of areas.

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<v Speaker 1>We believe evidence as hell that will identify whose responsible

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<v Speaker 1>for the others and who else was responsible.

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<v Speaker 2>Besides this gentleman.

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<v Speaker 1>The investigation will play that out, but there are others

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<v Speaker 1>that I anticipate will be resting in the end the

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<v Speaker 1>weeks to come.

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<v Speaker 4>This messaging from Chief Sheerbam is obviously meant to spread

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<v Speaker 4>panic and paranoia amongst activists, organizers, and the anarchists of Atlanta.

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<v Speaker 4>Those in Atlanta were quick to prove that repression would

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<v Speaker 4>not stifle attacks against copp City. On the night of

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<v Speaker 4>February ninth, a police car was torched outside of the

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<v Speaker 4>home of an APD officer in the Lakewood neighborhood of Atlanta.

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<v Speaker 4>The next day, police claimed that they track the movements

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<v Speaker 4>of two alleged arsonists via ring, doorbell and street cameras

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<v Speaker 4>to a house in Lakewood and conducted a raid that afternoon.

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<v Speaker 4>Nothing was found and no arrests were made. The FBI

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<v Speaker 4>and the ATF viewed the vehicle arsen outside of the

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<v Speaker 4>home of Atlanta police officer as a significant escalation and

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<v Speaker 4>made their first on camera speaking appearance on Channel two

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<v Speaker 4>to discuss the possibility of introducing federal charges. The house

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<v Speaker 4>raids threats, doing all these press conferences, it's all part

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<v Speaker 4>of this media frenzy to elicit fear. Earlier this year,

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<v Speaker 4>Chief Sheerbomb unveiled plans to put four hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 4>billboards all across the country offering reward money for information,

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<v Speaker 4>specifically placed in cities they believe anarchists are traveling from

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<v Speaker 4>to set fires in Atlanta. Every single press conference the

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<v Speaker 4>police do. They are desperately begging for members of the

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<v Speaker 4>public to snitch, saying the only way this case will

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<v Speaker 4>be solved is if anonymous tipsters come forward with information,

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<v Speaker 4>offering increasingly comical amounts of money if information leads to

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<v Speaker 4>a conviction. Fear is one of the greatest tools this

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<v Speaker 4>state has to bear. But through this sequence of events,

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<v Speaker 4>police and investigators are also kind of showing their hand here,

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<v Speaker 4>demonstrating the current limit of their actionable evidence. It has

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<v Speaker 4>now been well over a month since these raids, and

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<v Speaker 4>as of now, no subsequent arrests have been made. The

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<v Speaker 4>timing of these house raids also seemed intended to disrupt

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<v Speaker 4>an event planned for later that month called the Nationwide

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<v Speaker 4>Summit to Stop Coop City, a convergence located in Tucson, Arizona,

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<v Speaker 4>on Amazonia that was planned for February twenty third to

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<v Speaker 4>the twenty sixth. I was not able to attend, but

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<v Speaker 4>I spoke with Sam from the Atlantic Community Press Collective,

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<v Speaker 4>who covered the summit in person.

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<v Speaker 7>It was a four day convergence in Tuo Sun, Arizona,

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<v Speaker 7>called for by the pretty well entrenched radical organizing scene

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<v Speaker 7>there in Tucson that was just intended to be the

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<v Speaker 7>kind of summits we've seen here in Atlanta that are

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<v Speaker 7>often called weeks of Action that can no longer take

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<v Speaker 7>place here in Atlanta. So it was intended to be

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<v Speaker 7>just a gathering of like minded people to share ideas,

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<v Speaker 7>build community, have fun, frankly, and there also were some

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<v Speaker 7>direct actions that occurred during the week. The hub for

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<v Speaker 7>the summit was a park kind of on what i'd

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<v Speaker 7>call the north end of Tucson called Mansfield Park, and

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<v Speaker 7>there was a small camp space set up and organized

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<v Speaker 7>by locals.

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<v Speaker 2>The structure of.

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<v Speaker 7>The summit and of the camp space in general was

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<v Speaker 7>again very familiar to anyone who has attended any of

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<v Speaker 7>the Weeks of Action in Atlanta. There were camp meals breakfast, lunch,

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<v Speaker 7>and dinner. There were camp announcements, a lot of spontaneous

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<v Speaker 7>activities within the camp. A couple movie nights were held.

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<v Speaker 4>Tucson, Arizona on Amazonia is about one hundred miles from

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<v Speaker 4>the US Mexico border. Sam told me about a panel

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<v Speaker 4>they attended on the intersections between the border, Gaza and Atlanta.

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<v Speaker 4>If you've been paying attention to the cop city struggle,

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<v Speaker 4>you're probably already familiar with these themes. The Atlanta Police

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<v Speaker 4>Department participates in the Georgia International Law Enforcement Exchange the

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<v Speaker 4>GILLY program, where they trained with members of the IDF.

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<v Speaker 7>The talk featured Jewish Americans, Palestinian Americans. A correspondent from

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<v Speaker 7>Indian Collective who was there to cover the summit as well,

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<v Speaker 7>also spoke during that event, and that intersection was I

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<v Speaker 7>think even before Aaron Bushnell self immolated that Sunday was

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<v Speaker 7>probably the most profound theme wunning through the weekend, again,

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<v Speaker 7>especially with Tucson's proximity to the border and to native

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<v Speaker 7>lands that are on the border and which are often

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<v Speaker 7>surveilled using wait for it, Israeli military technology. The sort

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<v Speaker 7>of official name of the summit was the Nationwide Summit

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<v Speaker 7>to Stop cup City, which was a sort of wink wink,

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<v Speaker 7>nudge nudge at Nationwide Insurance, which is the main underwriter

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<v Speaker 7>of the insurance policies that ensure what would be cop City.

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<v Speaker 7>Nationwide has a major corporate office in Scottsdale, Arizona, which

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<v Speaker 7>is in between Tucson and Phoenix.

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<v Speaker 4>On the first night of the summit, a small group

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<v Speaker 4>of anonymous vandals attacked three subsidiaries of Nationwide Insurance in Tucson, Arizona,

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<v Speaker 4>tous'n Azugna, breaking windows and vandalizing their buildings. Later on

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<v Speaker 4>in the week, there were two more public direct actions

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<v Speaker 4>that happened during the summit. The first was a black

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<v Speaker 4>block march on the night of February twenty fifth in

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<v Speaker 4>downtown Tucson, Arizona, tousann Azugnia as a crowd of a

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<v Speaker 4>little under one hundred people moved through downtown stop Coop City.

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<v Speaker 4>Graffiti filled the plaza and a P and C bank

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<v Speaker 4>as well as they recently closed Wells Fargo branch had

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<v Speaker 4>their windows a smashed. Wells Fargo is affiliated with the

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<v Speaker 4>Atlanta Police Foundation and PNC is a financial backer of

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<v Speaker 4>the Mountain Valley Pipeline in the Appalachians. Police were able

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<v Speaker 4>to arrest at least three people suspected of participating in

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<v Speaker 4>the march. Oddly, they were charged with arson of an

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<v Speaker 4>occupied building, I believe due to fireworks being thrown in

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<v Speaker 4>or near one of the banks. Given the name of

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<v Speaker 4>the Nationwide Summit, it was expected that there would be

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<v Speaker 4>a public action targeting nationwide insurance.

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<v Speaker 7>So Monday morning we headed up to Scottsdale, Arizona again

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<v Speaker 7>just outside of Phoenix. Phoenix is about two hours away,

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<v Speaker 7>where we stopped by a sort of sidewalk rally type

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<v Speaker 7>situation that was happening outside of the Nationwide Regional offices,

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<v Speaker 7>which was honestly quite locked down, quite hard to get

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<v Speaker 7>access to it. As we were leaving the sidewalk rally

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<v Speaker 7>and being followed by Scottsdale's finest bicycle riders, I thought

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<v Speaker 7>it was interesting that one of the bicycle cops had

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<v Speaker 7>a life behind Bars personalized painted bicycle bell. It was

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<v Speaker 7>Teal and said a Life behind Bars, And when when

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<v Speaker 7>we asked him about it, he just said, I just

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<v Speaker 7>thought it was funny because you know, I'm a cop

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<v Speaker 7>and I'm behind bicycle bars.

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<v Speaker 2>It was.

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<v Speaker 7>Delightful and look forward to further coverage of this exciting

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<v Speaker 7>story in a soon to be released ACPC video feature.

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<v Speaker 7>So after the rally outside of Nationwides offices, we got

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<v Speaker 7>a tip that a lockdown style action would be happening

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<v Speaker 7>somewhere in the Scottsdale Phoenix area that afternoon, So maybe

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<v Speaker 7>around four or five o'clock, we traveled to the hills

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<v Speaker 7>of Maricopa County, Arizona, formerly home to America's toughest Sheriff

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<v Speaker 7>Joe Arpio into this sort of enclave of gated, dead

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<v Speaker 7>end streets with fabulously expensive homes. One of these homes

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<v Speaker 7>is owned by a nationwide insurance executive. So the activists

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<v Speaker 7>that locked down placed their bodies in front of two

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<v Speaker 7>entrances to this enclave with the intention of disrupting the

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<v Speaker 7>evening of this nationwide executive and their neighbors. There were

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<v Speaker 7>six activists in total that locked down, three at each entrance.

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<v Speaker 7>They used a device that has been ascribed to me

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<v Speaker 7>as being called a cupcake, meaning it was a bag

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<v Speaker 7>of concrete placed on the inside of a car tire

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<v Speaker 7>set with some rebar and a kind of pipe sticking

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<v Speaker 7>out of it, where I assumed there was some sort

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<v Speaker 7>of like handcuff locking on the inside of the pipe.

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<v Speaker 7>The gates were also locked shut with like bicycle locks.

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<v Speaker 4>People were locked to the entrance of the gated community

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<v Speaker 4>for almost four hours before being arrested. All six were

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<v Speaker 4>ultimately given misdemeanor charges and released within twenty four to

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<v Speaker 4>forty eight hours. Sam also talks to me about how

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<v Speaker 4>these big public gatherings like the summit in Tucson, Arizona, Son,

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<v Speaker 4>not Azamia seem like they just can't really happen in

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<v Speaker 4>Atlanta anymore.

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<v Speaker 7>So in November here in Atlanta, we had the Block

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<v Speaker 7>Cop City Convergence, which was organized to a pretty significant

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<v Speaker 7>extent by folks not from Atlanta. I know. One reason

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<v Speaker 7>I heard for that was it's pretty well known that

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<v Speaker 7>organizers in Atlanta are tired, and there was a group

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<v Speaker 7>of people from outside of Atlanta that felt like they

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<v Speaker 7>could carry that lift to organize and action here in Atlanta.

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<v Speaker 7>The summit in Tucson, to my knowledge, is the first

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<v Speaker 7>major convergence that has been organized out side of Atlanta

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<v Speaker 7>with a call for folks to come from the nation over.

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<v Speaker 7>It was a very keen or a very sharp feeling

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<v Speaker 7>of grief that this was not happening in Atlanta, that

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<v Speaker 7>it could not happen in Atlanta, both because the forest

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<v Speaker 7>has had a huge chunk of it bulldozed, but also

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<v Speaker 7>due to the police occupation of the forest, that this

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<v Speaker 7>could not happen in Atlanta right now in the Willani Forest,

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<v Speaker 7>And I think, especially given recent events in Atlanta, in

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<v Speaker 7>anywhere in Atlanta in Georgia.

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<v Speaker 4>Frankly, even if due to continuating circumstances, events like this

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<v Speaker 4>may not be able to happen in Georgia. Sam told

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<v Speaker 4>me that once the summit kicked off and things got going,

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<v Speaker 4>it became clear that, of course, convergences can and probably

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<v Speaker 4>will continue to happen anywhere and everywhere. For a long time,

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<v Speaker 4>a slogan of this struggle has been cop city is everywhere.

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<v Speaker 7>Even if there weren't similar cop city like facilities planned

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<v Speaker 7>or already being built all over the country. I believe

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<v Speaker 7>the latest count was a sixty nine or seventy. I

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<v Speaker 7>can't quite remember who did that research, But even if

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<v Speaker 7>it wasn't for that again to go back to like

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<v Speaker 7>the sharp through line of Gaza, the border, Indigenous lands,

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<v Speaker 7>Gilly historal genocide, this struggle is the same everywhere. The

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<v Speaker 7>police are the same everywhere. As I recently discussed on

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<v Speaker 7>this podcast.

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<v Speaker 4>As this episode draws to a close, I'd like to

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<v Speaker 4>air out some thoughts I've had ruminating around my head

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<v Speaker 4>for a while about inter conflict as desperation. These comments

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<v Speaker 4>are not about any specific city or situation. This simply

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<v Speaker 4>reflects a pattern I've observed in various struggles caught in

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<v Speaker 4>a down spiral, particularly during the fallout of the twenty

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<v Speaker 4>twenty protests nationwide. Historically, I think Atlanta has actually proven

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<v Speaker 4>to be pretty resilient against this sort of thing. But

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<v Speaker 4>as the stakes are quite high, I would hate to

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<v Speaker 4>see something similar happen, as the cop city struggle here

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<v Speaker 4>in Atlanta seems to be entering its latter stages. First,

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<v Speaker 4>I'd like to say it's always a worrying ticking clock

0:37:25.280 --> 0:37:28.920
<v Speaker 4>once people start getting treated as disposable or as political

0:37:28.960 --> 0:37:32.480
<v Speaker 4>props to be sacrificed in the service of spectacle. But

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<v Speaker 4>primarily I've been thinking about at a certain point far

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<v Speaker 4>enough within a struggle, it becomes easier to fight each

0:37:39.480 --> 0:37:42.600
<v Speaker 4>other than it is to fight police. Which is not

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<v Speaker 4>to say all conflict is bad. Conflict can often be good.

0:37:46.360 --> 0:37:49.720
<v Speaker 4>Tension can result in a new innovative action that otherwise

0:37:49.800 --> 0:37:53.920
<v Speaker 4>might not materialize. But when said actionable conflict starts to

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<v Speaker 4>materialize more frequently against each other rather than against the state,

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<v Speaker 4>that signals impending doom. Being able to consistently put your

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<v Speaker 4>beliefs into practice with a like minded group of people,

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<v Speaker 4>to directly engage against systems of oppression like the police

0:38:08.400 --> 0:38:11.279
<v Speaker 4>or the state, especially in your own city, is a

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<v Speaker 4>life affirming process, almost intoxicating it's very easy to become

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<v Speaker 4>addicted to high intensity conflict. Unfortunately, the state is a

0:38:20.680 --> 0:38:24.360
<v Speaker 4>resilient bastard. Even if you can land a few sizeable blows.

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<v Speaker 4>Over time, this state can gather a lot of resources

0:38:27.800 --> 0:38:30.719
<v Speaker 4>to push back, and it take a few days, weeks, months,

0:38:30.840 --> 0:38:34.360
<v Speaker 4>or even years. Only in our minds may the glorious

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<v Speaker 4>first spark of uprising last forever, the burning of the

0:38:37.880 --> 0:38:40.720
<v Speaker 4>Third Precinct, or the first year or so of defend

0:38:40.719 --> 0:38:45.040
<v Speaker 4>the Atlanta Forest. But nostalgia is a trap, and eventually

0:38:45.080 --> 0:38:48.719
<v Speaker 4>the empire does in fact strike back. But as it

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<v Speaker 4>becomes harder, more dangerous, more frightening to engage against the state,

0:38:52.960 --> 0:38:56.320
<v Speaker 4>the desire for that rush of conflict stays. It lingers.

0:38:56.800 --> 0:38:59.359
<v Speaker 4>So what is one to do? The walls are closing in,

0:38:59.400 --> 0:39:01.960
<v Speaker 4>but you have this need to fight, so you take

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<v Speaker 4>out your anxiety, PTSD and frustration on those around you.

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<v Speaker 4>It is much more scary to fight the police. This,

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<v Speaker 4>by comparison, is easy while still feeding that conflictual drive.

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<v Speaker 4>We must keep on fighting. And since it's harder and

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<v Speaker 4>more scary to continually fight the cops or the state,

0:39:19.440 --> 0:39:21.920
<v Speaker 4>we instead are looking for ways to fight each other,

0:39:22.080 --> 0:39:24.799
<v Speaker 4>to find scapegoats to purge, often in service of some

0:39:24.920 --> 0:39:29.600
<v Speaker 4>unrelated personal grievance or in group self preservation constant attack,

0:39:29.719 --> 0:39:33.680
<v Speaker 4>constant strength, constant purity. These conflicts can take form as

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<v Speaker 4>blame as to why desired outcome is not being achieved,

0:39:37.440 --> 0:39:41.239
<v Speaker 4>intensified a stratification of in group out group dynamics, as in,

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<v Speaker 4>these are the bad people in the movement, whereas we

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<v Speaker 4>are the enlightened definity group with the only successful strategy

0:39:48.560 --> 0:39:53.520
<v Speaker 4>or conspiratorial co intel pro like actions such as cop jacketing,

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<v Speaker 4>snitch jacketing, and more general bad jacketing against people who

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<v Speaker 4>you have simple organizational disagreements with. This can also manifest

0:40:01.719 --> 0:40:06.160
<v Speaker 4>as a deep unwillingness to hear preemptive critical commentary and

0:40:06.239 --> 0:40:08.520
<v Speaker 4>the assumption that all criticism comes from a place of

0:40:08.560 --> 0:40:12.560
<v Speaker 4>bad faith. A recent article in a popular anarchist publication

0:40:13.080 --> 0:40:17.000
<v Speaker 4>roped in genuine critique and disagreement as somehow being in

0:40:17.080 --> 0:40:20.839
<v Speaker 4>alignment with the state's motivations against the movement and is this

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<v Speaker 4>not just a form of cop jacketing, saying that if

0:40:23.920 --> 0:40:26.680
<v Speaker 4>you disagree with a particular strategy, that means you are

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<v Speaker 4>in alignment with police because they also dislike a particular strategy,

0:40:30.360 --> 0:40:33.799
<v Speaker 4>but the police dislike the strategy for a completely different reason,

0:40:33.840 --> 0:40:38.400
<v Speaker 4>because they dislike any form of resistance. Claiming that critique

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<v Speaker 4>from anarchists and criticism from the state come from the

0:40:40.800 --> 0:40:45.800
<v Speaker 4>same fundamental place is simply laughable. It is in moments

0:40:45.800 --> 0:40:50.320
<v Speaker 4>such as this, when repression is increasing, that justified frustration

0:40:50.400 --> 0:40:53.560
<v Speaker 4>and fear leading to paranoia, can be turned into a

0:40:53.600 --> 0:40:57.200
<v Speaker 4>weapon by the state. At these moments, people must be

0:40:57.280 --> 0:41:00.640
<v Speaker 4>the most vigilant against their own fear, resulting in retreat

0:41:00.680 --> 0:41:04.040
<v Speaker 4>from battle against the state and turning to intra conflict

0:41:04.080 --> 0:41:07.920
<v Speaker 4>as a desperate form of alternative struggle. Solidarity, love and

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<v Speaker 4>care are paramount, including harsh love, including well meaning critical commentary, debate,

0:41:14.400 --> 0:41:19.120
<v Speaker 4>and constructive conversation. Well, that's enough of that. Finally, I'd

0:41:19.200 --> 0:41:22.959
<v Speaker 4>like to give an update on the Copcity construction timeline.

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<v Speaker 4>The past few months, city officials and the Atlanta Police

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<v Speaker 4>Foundation have made a series of statements claiming construction is

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<v Speaker 4>very much on schedule and quickly approaching completion.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to say this, the construction of those training

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<v Speaker 1>centers on schedule. We will be moving in in December.

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<v Speaker 1>It will be operational this time next year.

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<v Speaker 2>The new facility is almost seventy percent complete with construction.

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<v Speaker 4>Many have pointed out that this is a ridiculously high number,

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<v Speaker 4>considering that a video published by the police just a

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<v Speaker 4>few days ago showed an unfinished foundation and a single

0:41:57.680 --> 0:42:01.760
<v Speaker 4>paved road. Now Sam from the Atlantic Community Press Collective

0:42:01.920 --> 0:42:05.239
<v Speaker 4>helped explain what this number might be referring to.

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<v Speaker 7>There are no walls built, to say the least, I

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<v Speaker 7>personally believe that to be a very charitable reading of

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<v Speaker 7>a document with a construction timeline. We've seen as a

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<v Speaker 7>result of our open records requests that sort of break

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<v Speaker 7>the what a lay person such as myself would call

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<v Speaker 7>it the construction process up into things like permitting, pre construction,

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<v Speaker 7>development construction. On that timeline, they were about seventy percent

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<v Speaker 7>done with the development, and they were also about seventy

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<v Speaker 7>percent done with the whole process, ranging from permitting to

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<v Speaker 7>cutting the red ribbon. What Again, as a lay person,

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<v Speaker 7>I would also call the construction process, meaning the whole

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<v Speaker 7>you know, roof, walls, doors, thing on. That particular document

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<v Speaker 7>was zero percent complete, or like, I shouldn't say zero

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<v Speaker 7>percent because they have like concrete paths and stuff. I

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<v Speaker 7>don't remember exactly what the date on this document was

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<v Speaker 7>but it was zero to a very small percentage of complete.

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<v Speaker 7>So yes on the grand construction timeline of filing the

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<v Speaker 7>first document to again literal walls. Yeah, sure, they're seventy

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<v Speaker 7>percent complete by any measure of construction to the average season. No,

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<v Speaker 7>they are not seventy percent complete.

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<v Speaker 4>Before I close this episode out, I do want to

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<v Speaker 4>let listeners know about ways to support Jack, the person

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<v Speaker 4>rested in the house raid last month. In the show notes,

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<v Speaker 4>I will link to a fundraiser that goes towards his

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<v Speaker 4>legal fees, jail commissary, and phone calls. You can also

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<v Speaker 4>go to the website free Jack dot co. That's free

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<v Speaker 4>Jack dot Co for information on how to mail letters

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<v Speaker 4>and books to Jack while he is currently being held

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<v Speaker 4>in jail without bond. Trials and court cases related to

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<v Speaker 4>the Georgia Copcity recoindittment have all been delayed till at

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<v Speaker 4>least this summer. Follow the Atlantic Community Press Collective for

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<v Speaker 4>updates on that as they happen. See you on the

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<v Speaker 4>other side.

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<v Speaker 2>If you think he's planed to stay, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, obviously he's not here and we're seeking him, and

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<v Speaker 1>so we would ask him to come in and answer

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