Speaker 1: What's up And welcome back to another episode of No
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Speaker 1: Out My Man Jobs Intellectually Petty Radio. Make sure y'all
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Speaker 1: My Man Jobs here Intellectually Petty Radio. I brought my
Speaker 1: brother Trap Trap is from New York City, Queens to
Speaker 1: be specific, when we come to Borough conversation. To double
Speaker 1: back on the conversation, because I felt like the last
Speaker 1: time meet Jobs and Pete talked Jobs made me feel
Speaker 1: like I was the only person that this type of
Speaker 1: camaraderie happened with to people from different nationalities that came
Speaker 1: up in the same community. And I'm sure Jobs, you
Speaker 1: understand that New York has the same things or a
Speaker 1: level of congruency that happens with different nationalities and different
Speaker 1: ethnicities that culturally represent the same thing in New York.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I would agree with that.
Speaker 1: So trap me job, Trap me job. So you had
Speaker 1: time job to you had time job to, uh to
Speaker 1: digest our first conversation. Is there any flex at all?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 1: I'm not asking you the flex on who you allowed
Speaker 1: to use the N word. That is not what I'm asking.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, do you have any understanding on exactly what
Speaker 1: I was saying based off of our prior conversation.
Speaker 2: Oh, I get it, I get the proximity, I get
Speaker 2: the culture aspect, I get to growing up. I just
Speaker 2: think that, like I said last time, it's not that
Speaker 2: part per se. It is the arrogance to feel like
Speaker 2: all niggas think the same. I don't have that same
Speaker 2: background you've got. I didn't grow up next to whomever
Speaker 2: or whoever the people I grew up next to look
Speaker 2: like me. So my ownership of certain things is completely
Speaker 2: different culturally in some aspects than yours of my man's
Speaker 2: in New York, because you'll experience growing up is different.
Speaker 2: There's certain foods that aren't being transferred between my community
Speaker 2: and another community. There's certain you know, slang, certain ways
Speaker 2: that you treat people, you know, certain rules in that
Speaker 2: particular community. We ain't got that. So I don't feel
Speaker 2: like I should have to deal with somebody from the
Speaker 2: community coming to my community and say a nigga.
Speaker 1: No no, I'm not saying again like when we first
Speaker 1: did the POD, I wasn't trying to convince you to say,
Speaker 1: hey man, there's a space where you should let somebody
Speaker 1: of Latino origin call you. Then word that they may
Speaker 1: not be your w word. I was expressing to you
Speaker 1: how it happens for me. Trap why do y'all let
Speaker 1: it's even y'all left? The Latinos in New York said like, what,
Speaker 1: what's a fair way to even?
Speaker 4: Nah? So, so basically it's I mean, if someone's if
Speaker 4: someone's raised upon your community with you, you know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying, y'all, And y'all go through y'all don't been
Speaker 4: through the same struggles, you know what I'm saying, And
Speaker 4: and and basically you could look upon them as being
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, your brother or so like that,
Speaker 4: and y'all using the same language that y'all all using
Speaker 4: the same language basically, you know what I'm saying. So,
Speaker 4: so when they when they they not just they're not
Speaker 4: just looking upon us and calling us you know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying that and or nothing like that. They're calling
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, that the person who looked
Speaker 4: like them or or you know what I'm saying, They
Speaker 4: surrounding everybody's surrounding. It's becomes a part of the language
Speaker 4: that we all using at that time, you know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying. So it's it just looked upoint like that though. Really,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, that's that's basically
Speaker 4: what it is though. Really, But I but I can
Speaker 4: understand why people people from the outside that's not from
Speaker 4: the community that we're from, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: don't speak the same language that we speak, could look
Speaker 4: at it like, you know, you got that person right
Speaker 4: there using that using that that that word that that
Speaker 4: our people have been held back with and been called
Speaker 4: from all these years and stuff like that. I can
Speaker 4: understand how somebody that's not from the community looks at
Speaker 4: looks a point like that though. But but at the
Speaker 4: same time, I look at it, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: It's things that I'm gonna look at that they that
Speaker 4: they do upon their community with their you know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying, with their surroundings a certain way though too.
Speaker 4: So I don't knock it though. It's that is.
Speaker 1: When community becomes a real thing and not just this
Speaker 1: justified time to talk about Black America. When it's when
Speaker 1: it stopped when it truly becomes community, not so much
Speaker 1: Black America that's referenced as the black community. Pete, have
Speaker 1: you digested anything since our first conversation with jobs about this,
Speaker 1: Have you thought about it at all any thoughts?
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's still I mean, really it's it to me,
Speaker 5: is more so just a matter of scale and and
Speaker 5: what defines the word community and who's doing the defining.
Speaker 5: It's very subjective in that space.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: I'm not sure if it's bluntly speaking, white political interests
Speaker 5: or just the organic black individuals within Black America, the
Speaker 5: cells that want to try to lump all of Black
Speaker 5: America into easy to access group, you know, So like
Speaker 5: it can be a little bit of that to some
Speaker 5: of it is maybe one, some of it is maybe
Speaker 5: the other. It just depends on how each individual wants
Speaker 5: to go about his day.
Speaker 1: I agree with that. I definitely think we hear black
Speaker 1: community and that's the normal standard. And like I've stopped
Speaker 1: people from saying that to me. A guy on Twitter
Speaker 1: said to me weirdly, he was talking about doctor Dre,
Speaker 1: and doctor Dre was saying how he understood why Kendrick
Speaker 1: went to the next level in the battle. He said,
Speaker 1: he's normally about pushing positivity, but he can understand. Once
Speaker 1: the owl referenced his wife and his child, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean in a song, and he understood why.
Speaker 1: He was like yo, adios, like it's off with his
Speaker 1: head and people. Obviously these are people that are part
Speaker 1: of the parliament. Again, like I said, a group of
Speaker 1: owls as a parliament, I mean like like a flock
Speaker 1: of seagulls or a murder of crows or heard of.
Speaker 3: You know, no doubt we learned something every day. Messing
Speaker 3: with that, right. I read.
Speaker 1: I read all the time, so I'm sober and I'm
Speaker 1: reading all the time. Then I send it to peat
Speaker 1: and humor him.
Speaker 5: I mean on the Serengetti Pride months is really just
Speaker 5: about the lions there.
Speaker 1: It is there. It is my man when it comes
Speaker 1: down to it.
Speaker 6: So those sealings, those zealings glasses below executer Bos got
Speaker 6: my brother jobs again, my brother trap go ahead jobs.
Speaker 2: There. There's there's macro culture and then there's micro culture.
Speaker 2: But but what I mean by that that there are
Speaker 2: certain things that I could go to New York right
Speaker 2: now and hang out with my man, and there will
Speaker 2: be some things that we would just annoyingly have in common.
Speaker 2: That would be our macro culture black culture.
Speaker 1: Give me some ideas of black culture every day.
Speaker 2: If I walked into his apartment and I smelled hair burning,
Speaker 2: I would know exactly what that was. If I walked
Speaker 2: if I walked in there and I smelled some greens cooking,
Speaker 2: and I don't even like greens, I would know exactly
Speaker 2: what that was.
Speaker 1: But you don't. You don't think that we're kind of
Speaker 1: using something that macro that's probably not macro. Like we're
Speaker 1: still speaking on specific experiences for some black people, Like
Speaker 1: greens is not a standard in black people's life, Like
Speaker 1: that's more of an again, like I said, to be specific,
Speaker 1: an American slave cultural experience. I'm sure if somebody's family
Speaker 1: wasn't a part of slavery in his country, I don't
Speaker 1: know if they ever had greens.
Speaker 7: That's probably small portion than it isn't though.
Speaker 2: That's exactly. Yeah, somebody walk in your house and says, oh,
Speaker 2: I don't know a black person, I don't know what
Speaker 2: greens are. I've never heard of that before. You're gonna
Speaker 2: tell me your antennas don't go up about this particular
Speaker 2: black person and something right with them. You may not
Speaker 2: like greens, you may not eat them, but you ain't
Speaker 2: never heard of no motherfucking greens.
Speaker 1: And you're black. But wouldn't every American probably heard of
Speaker 1: greens at that point?
Speaker 2: Absolutely not.
Speaker 1: You don't think white people heard of greens.
Speaker 2: There are some white people that have. There are white
Speaker 2: people that love greens.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, not. Obviously they're to.
Speaker 2: Utah, and ask the white people in Utah about greens.
Speaker 2: They don't know nothing about it.
Speaker 5: I think in my generation, and I could that could
Speaker 5: be speaking to a whole lot of time ignorance. But
Speaker 5: I feel like a lot of aspects of some of
Speaker 5: the more insular nuances of black culture got made mainstream.
Speaker 1: I agree, more.
Speaker 7: So in the last twenty years.
Speaker 5: Again, it could be wrong, so that might be a
Speaker 5: different answer now than it was then.
Speaker 7: But I get the point the sentiment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But what I'm saying to jobs is this goes
Speaker 1: back into that same thing where we are speaking Macro.
Speaker 1: He's right, right, like the mo your population are definitely
Speaker 1: descendants of some level of American slavery at some place. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: But again it starts to ostracize the people who aren't,
Speaker 1: And to me, that's where like, I'm careful, that's why
Speaker 1: I try not to use black cultures in that regard.
Speaker 1: I get it, most of us that I know are
Speaker 1: the descendants of some level of the American slave trade.
Speaker 7: And I'll put it this way.
Speaker 5: Let's say to look at and it's an interesting question.
Speaker 5: I'd like to ask jobs this like, you're, you know,
Speaker 5: jobs from Detroit. Obviously, so if you were before a
Speaker 5: massive population shift of black people from the South into Detroit,
Speaker 5: if you were like just black and from Detroit before
Speaker 5: then you were never a slave or never a descendant
Speaker 5: of people who were a slave. You're then culturally going
Speaker 5: to be engulfed by this massive populationlationships of people to
Speaker 5: which you would likely assimilate back to the center point
Speaker 5: culturally over to generations.
Speaker 7: Is that fair?
Speaker 1: But well, so you would have to but hold up jobs, right,
Speaker 1: you would have to go to excuse me, he was
Speaker 1: asking you a job. I'm sorry, I.
Speaker 2: Would just agree, yeah, yeah, But I would think.
Speaker 1: If you came from money, there's no reason to assimilate
Speaker 1: back into poverty because remember greens is still right now,
Speaker 1: soul food is an expensive thing, right now, you gotta
Speaker 1: have money of these soul food to be honest, like true,
Speaker 1: oxtails caused more than steak.
Speaker 4: But now we're keeping it, were keeping it on the
Speaker 4: on the on the greens thing. They don't they don'e
Speaker 4: took greens and like they don't made it into something
Speaker 4: that everybody's experiencing that I'm saying, it's Americans.
Speaker 7: It's transformed into the delicacy realm.
Speaker 1: Yeah, American America slave culture is very much Maria stream
Speaker 1: at this point.
Speaker 3: Cultures.
Speaker 2: But if you walk into the average white people's house
Speaker 2: and you say certain things, they won't know what you're
Speaker 2: talking about.
Speaker 3: Like which one depending on the location that's I'm like,
Speaker 3: what's fun?
Speaker 1: Which words do you feel like you would say that
Speaker 1: they would know? In twenty twenty five, with all these
Speaker 1: hip hop records and TV shows and films.
Speaker 2: Shit, man, I mean parents, Just to be fair, there's
Speaker 2: a language out there that I don't know that black.
Speaker 1: But I'm saying, we're talking about Black American, Yo. When
Speaker 1: you say black America or black culture, Like, I agree,
Speaker 1: your parents are part of a different generation. What is
Speaker 1: something Pete would know?
Speaker 7: I'm a bad example. My friends from high school would.
Speaker 1: Say, okay, sure, yeah, it's friend from high school that's fair,
Speaker 1: not Pete.
Speaker 2: That your friends from high school, Like.
Speaker 1: What do you think we could say that they'd be
Speaker 1: Like when.
Speaker 7: I grew up in a very insularly white environment.
Speaker 2: Most white people still have no clue with cat means.
Speaker 2: Might yeah, that's exactly what they. You know, when you
Speaker 2: say no cat, I don't have a hat on.
Speaker 1: I know you think somebody thirty would know what no
Speaker 1: cap means. As a white person, most white people.
Speaker 2: First off, when you think of white people, you think
Speaker 2: of white people that are in your proximity.
Speaker 1: Pete is the only white person in my proximity.
Speaker 2: With what I'm saying, in your proximity, I mean like
Speaker 2: there are white people that you'll come across in California,
Speaker 2: but if you drive across this country, most of the
Speaker 2: white people live in Utah, in Nevada, in Colorado. That no,
Speaker 2: the motherfuckers have no clue. My bad.
Speaker 1: It's a good song, it is.
Speaker 2: The motherfuckers have no clue with no cat means.
Speaker 1: But you don't think at that point that's something that's
Speaker 1: an Internet slang versus black culture slang.
Speaker 7: But the Internet works on algorithms, so you could be
Speaker 7: separate from that.
Speaker 1: At that point if you're tuned into it. Wouldn't that
Speaker 1: be the like no cap is a hip hop word?
Speaker 3: Well, I think a lot of that. I think a
Speaker 3: lot of things that people.
Speaker 5: White communities just based off of algorithms and my own
Speaker 5: personal social isolation and whatnot, that I don't know about.
Speaker 1: Like what's something happened in the white America that we
Speaker 1: don't know about?
Speaker 5: I don't know. Probably I can't answer to what I
Speaker 5: don't know. But when I'm around they're talking about ship,
Speaker 5: I don't know what the fuck they're talking about.
Speaker 1: I just I just think, Look, I don't even want
Speaker 1: to God, I don't even want to do that. What
Speaker 1: I'm to your point, jobs, I'm saying, I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to convince you why anybody else should use the N
Speaker 1: word around you. I think that's the point of how
Speaker 1: we all grew up, right. I just think it's just
Speaker 1: weird to guys it under a level of culture that
Speaker 1: specific thing, right, it is to a degree, But it's
Speaker 1: that word specifically, and it's different because you're right, we
Speaker 1: talked about it. Who grows up in Detroit besides just
Speaker 1: straight up brothers.
Speaker 2: I mean, now it's a little bit more diverse. But
Speaker 2: for the most part, Like, especially when I was growing.
Speaker 1: Up, y'all to have anything except slaves, people that.
Speaker 2: In Arabs, like Detroit. The Detroit area has the biggest
Speaker 2: population of Arabics in the country.
Speaker 1: Okay, what about ghetto Arabic people? Do they live in
Speaker 1: the ghetto?
Speaker 3: Ye live amongst each other?
Speaker 2: No? Not really, well a little bit now, Like on
Speaker 2: the fringes of there's the city called Dearborn, and that's
Speaker 2: kind of like, you know, their home base. But on
Speaker 2: the fringes of Dearborn and Detroit, you're seeing, especially over
Speaker 2: the last ten, maybe twenty years, more intermingling of similar
Speaker 2: financial bas.
Speaker 1: I'm truly jobs that you just really got to grow
Speaker 1: up black. That has to be fucking awesome.
Speaker 2: It's just an experience that you don't see very often
Speaker 2: in this country in a major city.
Speaker 1: But I also feel like that also kind of while
Speaker 1: I am jealous of that experience and I wish I
Speaker 1: had it, I also realized how un American kind of
Speaker 1: that happens, you know what I mean, Like like you
Speaker 1: kind of don't know anything outside of that. Like again,
Speaker 1: like there is a cultural difference that I learned from
Speaker 1: I didn't really interact with white people growing up as
Speaker 1: much until I got towards high school, but Mexican people
Speaker 1: my whole life. So like you could see the melting
Speaker 1: pot not just from like a like from a like
Speaker 1: we said, like from a macro like. You didn't see
Speaker 1: it far apart. You saw it up close and personal.
Speaker 1: So you can see how these communities could be, you know, intertwine,
Speaker 1: you know, woven together culturally where they live the same way.
Speaker 1: So you could And I think that's the kind of
Speaker 1: the point of America, right, or at least that's the
Speaker 1: make belief point, is that they want a melting pot
Speaker 1: of people to come together and create this great place.
Speaker 1: So I think when we're saying this, it's just I
Speaker 1: understand why California can go to New York and New
Speaker 1: York and come to California and pretty much just assimilate
Speaker 1: in with it. None of it is going to take
Speaker 1: you by storm versus where like I said, you're right
Speaker 1: when I go to Detroit, when I go to Atlanta,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, for the most part, like
Speaker 1: these are really dominant black towns, and like I said,
Speaker 1: as much as I'm jealous of it, it also kind
Speaker 1: of makes the world look crazy to you. Like you know,
Speaker 1: you probably see racism like it's some distant thing weirdly,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, how could you really
Speaker 1: like do you think you experienced racism in your face? Often?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: So, like you know what I mean. Was the Detroit police
Speaker 1: black in the eighties and nineties, Yes, Like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: didn't ever see a black police You've probably seen that
Speaker 1: one time, Like growing up, Like, I didn't even see
Speaker 1: that many black police. I see more than now, but
Speaker 1: I didn't see them as much. Growing up. Police were
Speaker 1: pretty much always white in Mexican.
Speaker 2: In the eighties, it was more white cops than you
Speaker 2: see now, definitely, Like the numbers have shifted remarkably now
Speaker 2: to represent more than the population.
Speaker 1: Kham.
Speaker 2: You know, but like when I went to court, you
Speaker 2: know in the prosecutor was black, the judge was black.
Speaker 1: Oh, you probably got real justice close.
Speaker 2: Now, black police was.
Speaker 1: Just the worst fact, but you still got closer.
Speaker 2: But you got closer to what justice is supposed to
Speaker 2: be facts.
Speaker 1: That's fire, low key trap. Yeah, so you couldn't even
Speaker 1: scream at the Bible. You're only doing this because I'm
Speaker 1: a black man, like nigga shut up and.
Speaker 2: May and may actually say that like like, let's say
Speaker 2: you go from Watts to Beverly Hills, h the way
Speaker 2: you behave changes. May it may not be a lot,
Speaker 2: but but you change a little bit based on the
Speaker 2: cultural surroundings and the expectations of that culture that that
Speaker 2: you're in currently. And that'd be my problem with with
Speaker 2: with Latinos wanting to say nigga everywhere. Just because you
Speaker 2: were in one community that allowed that doesn't mean that
Speaker 2: every nigga you see is good with that. And if
Speaker 2: there is somebody black that is not good with that,
Speaker 2: you should you should accommodate that. And the arrogance of
Speaker 2: people like Fat Joe to be like, no niggad I've
Speaker 2: been saying nigga since since whenever. That's got nothing to
Speaker 2: do with me, bruh. You should accommodate those people that
Speaker 2: you know that are out there, the black people you
Speaker 2: say you love so much. You should accommodate those shitload
Speaker 2: of people that don't like you saying that word.
Speaker 1: I think it depends on how you speak with somebody too.
Speaker 1: I think there's a natural thing when it comes to
Speaker 1: people that come from our walker life, from the ghetto,
Speaker 1: where I think if people would have sat down with
Speaker 1: Fat Joe and had an intelligent conversation expressed so forth
Speaker 1: and so on, versus approach of like which I get
Speaker 1: it too, Like I'm not mad at that. Like if
Speaker 1: you're a brother from Detroit and you like nigga, don't
Speaker 1: say that to me, then I get it for me.
Speaker 1: But I also feel like you probably could have got
Speaker 1: a lot more done if you expressed him. Because again,
Speaker 1: remember these people like a Mexican person from where I'm from,
Speaker 1: or a Cuban or Puerto Rican person that's from New York, right,
Speaker 1: they're going to not they don't have the history on blackness.
Speaker 1: Why this word is the word it is. These are
Speaker 1: not simple things that are talked about all the time.
Speaker 1: It's just the way people talk. Then as people get older,
Speaker 1: they start to realize sometimes they don't need a job,
Speaker 1: like sometimes people from the community really don't. They like
Speaker 1: they get a culture shock when they go somewhere else
Speaker 1: and be like that's their introduction to it, or they
Speaker 1: meet somebody who's uncomfortable with it.
Speaker 2: Maybe well, either one of two things, your community doesn't
Speaker 2: love that Hispanic person as much as they say they do,
Speaker 2: or they would teach them the rules and regulations outside
Speaker 2: of the walls of your community, or that person just
Speaker 2: an asshole and don't care. But when you go elsewhere
Speaker 2: that that attitude may catch up with you.
Speaker 1: Sure, But it's also like multifaceted. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: if we were I think if black people in every
Speaker 1: ghetto were more kind of national base in their blackness, right,
Speaker 1: it's like they probably wouldn't be doing saying it, or
Speaker 1: you know, we wouldn't have the same problem. I mean,
Speaker 1: poverty does become hella restrictive. So if I can understand
Speaker 1: how a nigga in Detroit would feel about certain things,
Speaker 1: maybe I'm not even fighting with the niggas the next
Speaker 1: street over. I mean, it probably would dilute the power
Speaker 1: that poverty is, you know what I mean, that the
Speaker 1: burden it is. I'm sorry, Pete, I don't say.
Speaker 7: Like there's two sides of the coin.
Speaker 5: There's like obviously from your guys perspective, it's it's as
Speaker 5: the listener the rationale, like as the recipient on the
Speaker 5: side of the conversation, and also kind of like on
Speaker 5: the the speaker side, which would be from the Mexican
Speaker 5: person's perspective, And it's like, I'm not Mexican so like
Speaker 5: it's much different for say, like white people than like
Speaker 5: the like the third category races in the country, Like
Speaker 5: you're neither black nor white, you're everybody else in between.
Speaker 5: So I can see where they might foresee it as
Speaker 5: like if you say it's like you know, an endearment term,
Speaker 5: you carry that with you. It's more like I'm in
Speaker 5: hearing to your community universally.
Speaker 7: You might get it wrong, but like from.
Speaker 5: My own personal experience, like I that's not agenda item
Speaker 5: or goal of mine to be able to do that.
Speaker 5: I know for a fact I have a good portion
Speaker 5: of my friends. Wouldn't blink. I know I have a
Speaker 5: good portion of my friends. Would make me blink.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 1: I got a white homie that and said that's where
Speaker 1: I'm where you're from. Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: But again, most of the time we don't really have
Speaker 1: but they I know, I know some. I know a
Speaker 1: dude in Chicago we talked about it before.
Speaker 5: Sure, I just wonder, like, okay, as the speaker, my
Speaker 5: point of view, and it's just me. I'm just like
Speaker 5: one one guy. I know what that's all about. I'm
Speaker 5: friends with you. I've had I've been to your mother
Speaker 5: and your grandmother's home. They have a different life experience
Speaker 5: from the time frame and history where they grew up.
Speaker 5: Like trying to be cool or be friendly or folks
Speaker 5: or whatever, to me takes a back seat to respecting history.
Speaker 7: That's just me.
Speaker 5: So I don't know why another speaker. I mean I understand,
Speaker 5: I know why another speaker. I think it's a fair question,
Speaker 5: like what's the rational as to why the another speaker
Speaker 5: would not give deference to that same kind of perspective.
Speaker 7: But everybody has their own.
Speaker 1: Also, people could be ignorant on history, true, I mean
Speaker 1: that's that's that's a really you'd have to.
Speaker 7: Be really ignorant on history.
Speaker 1: Like really, we just did a stream, right, and we're
Speaker 1: having jobs. Shout out to everybody listening to those Seilings podcasts.
Speaker 1: We're having jobs here all four episodes of Black History Mom,
Speaker 1: because jobs is like nitt, he is the mascot of me.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like, don't get no blacker
Speaker 1: than Detroit, my boy? You feel me? So this is
Speaker 1: how we want. We're gonna tackle different street urban black
Speaker 1: cultural things in conversations. But it goes back to the
Speaker 1: conversation trap. We were just having on the stream where
Speaker 1: there's an ignorance that people are not really giving credence
Speaker 1: to like of course everybody, don't they made know that
Speaker 1: that word would used to demean somebody, but they don't
Speaker 1: quite understand how the word is policed. They don't. They
Speaker 1: don't get it. So it's like, but I get it,
Speaker 1: I get it. Go ahead, trapp.
Speaker 4: So so this is this is what I what I've
Speaker 4: come to understand though and realize that that us as
Speaker 4: black people, we were holding on to that word so
Speaker 4: so daily and we want to because I and that time,
Speaker 4: I don't know if don't make get married. Now at
Speaker 4: the time, I feel like being a black person that
Speaker 4: some people feel like that's the only thing we got
Speaker 4: is that is that one thing we won't let anybody
Speaker 4: else use the word and ship like that you know
Speaker 4: what I'm.
Speaker 3: Saying, And I don't.
Speaker 4: And I hate when people put like you said, police
Speaker 4: the word and make sure they go who could say
Speaker 4: it and who can't say it and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: I agree within that, I agree within that right there,
Speaker 4: and I don't and and with them like saying, I don't,
Speaker 4: I don't feel like.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: It's a such thing as like giving somebody a past
Speaker 4: to use it and all that like that.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. I don't. I don't agree
Speaker 3: with them.
Speaker 4: I'm saying I don't feel like but I feel like
Speaker 4: we're holding on to that too, moch But.
Speaker 1: Again, we don't even give people a past. Either grow
Speaker 1: up with us talking this way or you don't.
Speaker 2: But that's giving people a past.
Speaker 7: Well, you said it's a word like policing.
Speaker 1: What it's not a past. It's not a past because
Speaker 1: you don't quite understand what the word is. Right, growing up,
Speaker 1: I didn't understand what the word meant. Like I connected
Speaker 1: a few things, but the first person to call me
Speaker 1: a nigga was my dad and my mom. Like this
Speaker 1: is before five, right, I remember it. It's not like disrespectful.
Speaker 1: It's just like I remember hearing this word. Then you
Speaker 1: go to school and you're informed that this specifically connotation,
Speaker 1: that this word was used as a demeaning term. You
Speaker 1: still don't correlate how it became a term of endearment.
Speaker 1: That actually never happens, you know what I mean? That
Speaker 1: only happens if you pursue knowledge. Right, in nine percent
Speaker 1: of the people using that word. It don't matter which
Speaker 1: color they are. They don't have any understanding of how
Speaker 1: that term became the way we use it today. So
Speaker 1: I for sure know if most of us, right, people
Speaker 1: that are black people descend as a slave in this
Speaker 1: country that use that term, right, I'm sure people outside
Speaker 1: of it don't understand how it became what it is.
Speaker 1: So it's no past jobs. It's how people talk. Right.
Speaker 1: You could hear the er and the A growing up, right.
Speaker 1: You can hear the difference if somebody reference you with
Speaker 1: the hearty, are you like that's not cool?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: But then if somebody used the term a with it right,
Speaker 1: you know it? So you don't. You don't even flinch.
Speaker 1: Like the first time I heard shout out to my
Speaker 1: homebade Francisco from from a Cajun block like Francisco us it.
Speaker 1: I never flinched. Twice it was like, what's up, nigga?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? This is seven and eight?
Speaker 1: What a nigga? What's up?
Speaker 3: Nigga? Like?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? You don't. I don't see
Speaker 1: him different. They don't get me wrong. I know he
Speaker 1: he's a Mexican person, but that quite doesn't mean anything
Speaker 1: right here, like that, don't do you?
Speaker 3: Do you really hear the difference between the A and
Speaker 3: the E R. I don't hear.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because the people who's saying it. It depends on
Speaker 4: who's saying it. That's what I can understand. If it's
Speaker 4: an A R E R in it, THU. So when
Speaker 4: you say it, I don't know if it's an A
Speaker 4: E R in this ship, I don't.
Speaker 1: Know somebody saying I can hear it.
Speaker 5: The whole question for the panel outcome wise, would you
Speaker 5: agree or disagree with me that if I'm in strange
Speaker 5: company that is black, I don't. I would not expect
Speaker 5: the outcome to make much to be much different. Yeah,
Speaker 5: the other guys, would you other also to think that
Speaker 5: they would not.
Speaker 1: Somebody gonna see you, Pete, and it's gonna be a
Speaker 1: million ques. You're right because you are the exact opposite
Speaker 1: end of the spectrum to most people. But what I'm
Speaker 1: saying the jobs is when Job's saying it is a past,
Speaker 1: I'm telling him you don't realize it's a past until
Speaker 1: you get into these conversations even this deep, or unless
Speaker 1: you're researching what this specific words. So, yeah, you were
Speaker 1: taught that white people specifically, slavers use this word as
Speaker 1: a term of ownership over people, right, and then as
Speaker 1: a term to mean somebody.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: You know that. But if somebody is talking to you
Speaker 1: in your whole life, somebody is using as a term
Speaker 1: of endearment, then you start to separate the two ways
Speaker 1: the word is used.
Speaker 2: Right now, what I'm telling you, I don't give a fuck.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying.
Speaker 7: What a four episode commitment.
Speaker 1: This is definitely what to promote jobs crying go ahead, job, I.
Speaker 3: Don't give a fuck. I don't give a fuck.
Speaker 2: Motherfuckers know, and I don't care if you white, green, purple,
Speaker 2: or whatever. To not walk in somebody's house and call
Speaker 2: somebody's mama bitch. Culturally, I don't need to give you
Speaker 2: a tutorial on it. You don't need a dissertation. It's
Speaker 2: not a book. You know. There is a high probability
Speaker 2: of getting fucked up if you walk into somebody else's
Speaker 2: house and call it mama bitch. These people they're saying nigga,
Speaker 2: know that there are other black people that are not
Speaker 2: cool with that, and they to do it anyway. They
Speaker 2: not ignorant. Yeah, but I just learn.
Speaker 1: I think they learn jobs. I think they learn that later, Like,
Speaker 1: it's not like in our community. There are some black
Speaker 1: people like, man, I don't let that mess and call
Speaker 1: me nick. That ain't necessarily what's being said in our community.
Speaker 1: Like when I'm talking about content and watch that. There
Speaker 1: some people are, but everybody isn't some of us, like
Speaker 1: I don't think Peanut shout out to ma Way thirteen
Speaker 1: shout out to Shout out to Peanut, door Nail, shout
Speaker 1: out to Crawford. None of us ever said to shout
Speaker 1: out to Mark. None of us ever said that to Francisco.
Speaker 1: They don't call me nigga, like nobody none of us
Speaker 1: said that. So where would he get his first experience?
Speaker 1: He didn't get it at school, right, because we gonna
Speaker 1: all go to school with Mexican people, right, and they
Speaker 1: got meskin homies, right. And then he didn't get it
Speaker 1: from high school because the high school got meskin people
Speaker 1: who grew up with black people, right. And then they said,
Speaker 1: so where does he get the first lesson in the
Speaker 1: conversation until he grown? He has to tell grown?
Speaker 4: Right, that video that I that that that I that
Speaker 4: dude put out last week, though it was a Mexican
Speaker 4: dude he put the shit out, and I understood that.
Speaker 4: I think he broke down the best way. He was
Speaker 4: like he said that, he said, you don't you don't
Speaker 4: see black people going around calling themselves I'm saying, talking
Speaker 4: to man and call him an essay.
Speaker 1: For these lines you called some essay. No, but I
Speaker 1: have black homies who grew up in Mexican communities that
Speaker 1: talked just like the Cholos.
Speaker 5: And what's the history of the word that said are
Speaker 5: also in the same breath. It's like, it's but mindus
Speaker 5: the word I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You talk the way you talk the way people around
Speaker 1: you talk. So there's this belief that black people are
Speaker 1: gonna have this natural soul being in the middle of
Speaker 1: a bunch of white people. That shit dumb. Of course
Speaker 1: you don't. Of course you're not gonna add this swag
Speaker 1: and style and this lingo. Why would you learn it.
Speaker 1: It don't come with just being black. None of this
Speaker 1: shit we doing come with being black. Yeah, you have
Speaker 1: a style being black, but every this lingo is being
Speaker 1: intertwined with other people in said community. Nobody black is
Speaker 1: sitting up in Beverly Hills coming up with slang that
Speaker 1: we're using in Watts or content. They're or South Central.
Speaker 1: They're not Inglewood. They're not coming up with that if
Speaker 1: they grew up in Inglewood, if you grew up in
Speaker 1: Newport Beach with Pete, the brothers that surfing grew up
Speaker 1: and that's the culture they talk like the fucking white
Speaker 1: people that serf. So again it's a stat I'm not
Speaker 1: they smoke weed out of bunks. Yes, period. Yeah, some
Speaker 1: white shit out to know me Jerry, because Jerry, we
Speaker 1: are pump. But I'm saying these are cultural things jobs.
Speaker 1: I am not. Again, I have to keep stressing this.
Speaker 1: I am not trying to advocate for you or anybody
Speaker 1: in this podcast. If you are a Mexican and that
Speaker 1: ain't how you talk, you hear this man has a
Speaker 1: problem with it, Please don't reference in that way. Please
Speaker 1: be careful who you're talking to. I'm saying, I'm defending
Speaker 1: the position of where people are at culturally and in
Speaker 1: our lives. Me and Trap. When is the first time
Speaker 1: you thought that Joe heard somebody complain about him using
Speaker 1: in wordy went south for so?
Speaker 2: I bet you, I bet you. Everybody that looks like
Speaker 2: Pete in Peach's neighborhood is fully aware of whether someone
Speaker 2: has told them or not not to go to the
Speaker 2: middle of Compton and say nigga.
Speaker 1: Because he's not from the middle of Compton. What about
Speaker 1: the people that look like Pete that's from the middle
Speaker 1: of Compton.
Speaker 2: But my point is is that your community has done
Speaker 2: you a dish surface. If you who are not black
Speaker 2: and using the terminology to which we are speaking of,
Speaker 2: if they don't tell you that yo here is one thing.
Speaker 2: But when you go across the.
Speaker 1: Way, But how would they tell them? How could a
Speaker 1: poor person tell somebody's about you get what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: How restrictive culture is right, The reason we needed, the reason,
Speaker 1: the necessity, the reason that's invented is because of the
Speaker 1: fact that we don't have the freedom to move about
Speaker 1: the cabin. If listen, Josh, if we were all that informed,
Speaker 1: like let's say black people want to talk about me
Speaker 1: and trap specifically right, because we have friends that are
Speaker 1: not black that use the term right. Most of my
Speaker 1: friends now see you bother everybody, so they don't even
Speaker 1: want to even use it to me, which is fine.
Speaker 1: I don't care, Like you know, you still my nigga,
Speaker 1: but you don't want to use it. I'm tragic is
Speaker 1: like that he don't want to use it. I respect
Speaker 1: him because he got explained to on the internet, right,
Speaker 1: But what I'm saying to you is it's kind of
Speaker 1: not fair to ask poor people to be so aware
Speaker 1: of Detroit, because if they were fully aware of what
Speaker 1: people felt in Detroit, then probably the problems that we have, right, Gangs, tribes,
Speaker 1: all that stuff wouldn't exist if we were that connected
Speaker 1: to each other's life fully. Like I just explained to
Speaker 1: somebody today, like on the stream, which we're gonna do
Speaker 1: a podcast on the not this Tuesday coming up, but
Speaker 1: the following Tuesday about gang banging, where people keep saying
Speaker 1: I romanticized gang banging because I can put it into context.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. But again, but that's only based.
Speaker 2: On I'm telling you, man, I was about to jump
Speaker 2: off the porch last week myself around.
Speaker 1: I hate that y'all made me.
Speaker 3: You said, you want to.
Speaker 1: Explaining is justifying something that standard? But I was explaining
Speaker 1: to them. I was explaining to them.
Speaker 5: I would say, it's fair to say it's rationalizing, it's
Speaker 5: defining a rationale.
Speaker 7: Yes, that's it, but that's that's that's a very gray
Speaker 7: area to an.
Speaker 1: Audience glory and rationale.
Speaker 7: Yes, as a listener, it's very slippery.
Speaker 1: Only if you come in with an ignorant position of
Speaker 1: what you think.
Speaker 2: You know who.
Speaker 7: That's what the audience is.
Speaker 1: So why should I cater to their not knowledge? It's
Speaker 1: because you're giving them but I'm giving them. But I'm
Speaker 1: giving them.
Speaker 2: To And you're arsing from the point of you believing
Speaker 2: you're right.
Speaker 1: No, no, I'm arguing from facts. I don't think I'm
Speaker 1: right or wrong. There's nothing to be right or wrong
Speaker 1: about jobs. It's just fact. Like this conversation, here are
Speaker 1: the facts. I don't give you my position. I'm giving
Speaker 1: you a fact. Here's a fact. When do you think
Speaker 1: the first time Fat Joe? Most likely I can't give
Speaker 1: a fact on that, but I'm saying to you it's
Speaker 1: a fact. It's probably later in his life.
Speaker 2: I think he'll tell you that.
Speaker 1: Because I think if Fat Joe would have went two
Speaker 1: buildings down or to the two rooms two hours down,
Speaker 1: and most black people say, don't call me any wordy,
Speaker 1: he probably wouldn't be using.
Speaker 5: It in like this when I say it's slippery and
Speaker 5: it's gray, like when I glory. Yeah, just just just
Speaker 5: rationale for decision making and something because there's there's the facts,
Speaker 5: and then there's the interpretive rationale of or the rationale
Speaker 5: of the interpretation of the facts right as to the
Speaker 5: decision making process, Like when I talk about my life
Speaker 5: and my rationale for why I make Like Malcolm, I
Speaker 5: get into this all the time. Sure he thinks that
Speaker 5: I have had maybe more bad luck than I would
Speaker 5: say bad decision making. From a ratio standpoint, I think
Speaker 5: everything in my life is the result of my own
Speaker 5: bad decisions. So I can ration that lies what I
Speaker 5: did and why I made the decision at the time.
Speaker 5: But I do so through the prism of saying this
Speaker 5: was wrong and in spite of the fact that my
Speaker 5: calculus was blank based off of these variable factors, I
Speaker 5: was an idiot for looking at it that way and
Speaker 5: I was wrong. And here's the I'm reaping the fallout
Speaker 5: of this sequence of bad decisions.
Speaker 7: So it has to do with the on in the presentation.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.
Speaker 7: I'm not saying you should do that. I'm just saying
Speaker 7: from a listener standpoint, speaker audience relationship wise.
Speaker 1: But so you would have to concede. Well, most people,
Speaker 1: and I usually say this, and people get mad when
Speaker 1: I say this, But most people don't have conversation and
Speaker 1: good faith. Good faith would have to be conceived that
Speaker 1: you're ignorant when it comes to game banging. Right, you
Speaker 1: can kind of only know the Hollywood jobs. Right jobs
Speaker 1: would only know the Hollywood version of it. He doesn't
Speaker 1: quite know what it is. But he would have to
Speaker 1: come into the conversation understanding that he has a very
Speaker 1: bare minimum understanding or a belief of what's happening. But
Speaker 1: the problem is people are culturally entitled because they have
Speaker 1: rap songs, because they have films, and they have access
Speaker 1: to internet and some level of.
Speaker 5: There's a big delta in what the starting point knowledge
Speaker 5: is and what the starting point knowledge is perceived to
Speaker 5: be by the listener.
Speaker 7: Yes, there's a large gap.
Speaker 1: And that's the biggest problem. Right, they come in and
Speaker 1: they feel like they get gang banging. That's the first lie.
Speaker 1: You don't get it.
Speaker 2: The problemly is, bro is that you are culturally entitled
Speaker 2: when it comes to gang banging. My this is my ship.
Speaker 2: You can't tell me about my ship.
Speaker 1: No, no, no.
Speaker 2: It tends to make you minimize killing the motherfucker or
Speaker 2: robbing somebody that has.
Speaker 1: That's that's.
Speaker 4: What That's what Glass is saying though, that it comes
Speaker 4: along with killing, robbing, and doing a whole bunch of
Speaker 4: negative ship other than being looked upon as being you
Speaker 4: and your homie. Is that you know what I'm saying, that.
Speaker 1: Vive this traumatic experience in this ghetto.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's I think a good point.
Speaker 5: Like like Luke was saying, like this comes from like
Speaker 5: you know, you're walking home with your friends from school.
Speaker 5: You live over there, you're not even put on yet,
Speaker 5: and these people over here antagonizing you, attacking you, et cetera,
Speaker 5: et cetera.
Speaker 1: Right, but even the constant but put it on is
Speaker 1: like you're from where you're from because these are your friends,
Speaker 1: go ahead, but just saying that you hadn't jumped off
Speaker 1: the infantry. You're American, but you ain't a part of
Speaker 1: the marine. Yeah, so you're.
Speaker 5: So he is saying this is a significant contributing factor
Speaker 5: to his decision to be more involved or involved to
Speaker 5: the extent that he was involved with that right, sure,
Speaker 5: and and and that's fine, and that's and that's reasonable,
Speaker 5: and that's rational, and that's I wouldn't blame him for it.
Speaker 7: But in the same conversation. It's also like.
Speaker 5: Why ain't the living fuck are these other people harassing
Speaker 5: you when you and your friends are walking home from school?
Speaker 1: Because again you go into like history, right, and things
Speaker 1: that have happened, breakdowns and communications, issues at parties, issues
Speaker 1: and past it.
Speaker 7: And those irrationales.
Speaker 5: But you know, not a great decision to take that
Speaker 5: out on kids walking home from school.
Speaker 1: But that's that's normal as being alive. Like when when
Speaker 1: the Tali band got upset at whatever they felt America did,
Speaker 1: they did not crash planes into the White House. They
Speaker 1: went to a place where nobody worked at, the military
Speaker 1: was at and they crashed the planes into the buildings
Speaker 1: because they said, it didn't matter if you were a
Speaker 1: part of the Marines or the Army, or the Navy,
Speaker 1: or the National Guards or wherever else. You're Americans. So
Speaker 1: we want to make you feel the pain that we
Speaker 1: felt here, and that standard amongst humanity, humanity, I am
Speaker 1: the type of game member. Why I get my men.
Speaker 1: Most men are the type of men that anybody from
Speaker 1: your community would do. That standard amongst men, the standard
Speaker 1: for America. When they got to get somebody, they don't
Speaker 1: be like, you know what them and it's in people
Speaker 1: kind of close. That's the belief. The reality isn't all
Speaker 1: four of us know that if a couple, you know,
Speaker 1: if we're trying to get this hundred people and ten
Speaker 1: people gotta go real life, they probably gonna do them
Speaker 1: hundred people.
Speaker 2: No, I am not bro.
Speaker 1: Not your jobs. You're not going to do any You're
Speaker 1: not going to bring harm to anybody. You're not like
Speaker 1: a soldier, right, You're like a civilian person who would
Speaker 1: protect their house. Right, You're just gonna protect your house.
Speaker 1: But I'm saying when it's time to go in advance,
Speaker 1: it becomes different.
Speaker 2: But you're you're you're you're saying soldier as if we're
Speaker 2: all in this war that you're in.
Speaker 1: No, No, I'm.
Speaker 2: Telling you your war has really no no real justification
Speaker 2: to the rest of the people in your community.
Speaker 1: Neither is Ukraine in Russia.
Speaker 2: They don't. That's why most people don't agree with that shit.
Speaker 1: Neither there's World War two.
Speaker 2: A lot of people do not agree with that.
Speaker 1: Most people don't. But it's not they don't agree. They
Speaker 1: most people are cowards. That's true too, right, it's not
Speaker 1: they don't agree with why we're fighting. Like people saw
Speaker 1: what trust me when they ran them when they ran
Speaker 1: those planes into them towers. Oh, people wanted blood, true,
Speaker 1: people wanted blood to the point to where a president.
Speaker 1: That happened in two thousand and one. Only reason I
Speaker 1: remember because probably one of my top three favorite hip
Speaker 1: hop albums came out that day, September eleventh, two thousand
Speaker 1: and one, the day of the Blueprint came out. The
Speaker 1: President of the United States of America came on television
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one bragging about finally getting the leader
Speaker 1: of the game that did that to the Twin Towers.
Speaker 1: Twenty years later, it came on and did a whole
Speaker 1: telecast like, yeah, we got that son bitch, finally got
Speaker 1: him out of here, the head of the Taileman. It's
Speaker 1: twenty years later. They never stopped jobs. Now, I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that's right or wrong. I'm telling you it definitely
Speaker 1: does not make our p life unique. It's not like
Speaker 1: we are not in company with pretty much everybody around
Speaker 1: the world except the people that don't have a reason
Speaker 1: to fight. So I'm not and I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: justify or glamorify. I'm just I'm not I'm giving you
Speaker 1: the rationale. And then I'm connecting it to other human
Speaker 1: experiences that standard in your face.
Speaker 2: Firs to reach because it's not people like around the
Speaker 2: black from you doing this ship. Nigga's thousands of miles away.
Speaker 1: Oh that's different because further away, that's that's ridiculous.
Speaker 5: Jo.
Speaker 2: I can walk to the store and I have to
Speaker 2: worry about the Taliban.
Speaker 1: That's not true. Jobs. Really, they came.
Speaker 7: They came to New York.
Speaker 2: Taliban.
Speaker 1: Listen, they came to New York, crashed planes into two
Speaker 1: towers in New York.
Speaker 2: Before before that that moment, had you heard of the Taliban?
Speaker 1: Yes, I have, but I am up on stuff that's
Speaker 1: not fair. But most people didn't. But I'm telling you that
Speaker 1: just because of that. But just because you're ignorant on
Speaker 1: America's conflicts and things and people that they have things
Speaker 1: going on with, don't mean that they're not happening or
Speaker 1: you can't justify them based off your ignorance. And that's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It's hard to have these conversations if
Speaker 1: you won't take into account, you may don't know. And
Speaker 1: that's is what I'm telling the peak even in this conversation,
Speaker 1: and this is why I said to you, If you
Speaker 1: are from Detroit and your town is you don't even
Speaker 1: grow up with nobody, then you could not relate. All
Speaker 1: you can say is glasses. I know why. I don't
Speaker 1: want anybody calling me this. But it's also because you're
Speaker 1: ignorant on the dynamic, right, And like I'm saying to
Speaker 1: you now, even in that situation we're talking about gangbanging,
Speaker 1: which we'll talk about in the next pod, right, is
Speaker 1: it's a bunch of people who think they know what's happening.
Speaker 1: They have not conceded that they have no idea quite
Speaker 1: what's happening. The most they know is crypts wear blue.
Speaker 1: But what if I told you jobs all crips don't
Speaker 1: wear blue. What if I told you some crips wear purple?
Speaker 1: What if I told you some crypt wear orange. What
Speaker 1: if I told you some christ wear green. These are
Speaker 1: all nuanced things that are real as everything outside. But
Speaker 1: if you have no idea, you know the generic things, right,
Speaker 1: you like, crips wear blue, Bloods wear red. But what
Speaker 1: if I said power rules tend to wear burgundy. What
Speaker 1: if I told you lime hoods tend to wear green?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: There going to be nuances that comes with knowledge, so
Speaker 1: you have to start the conversation like I don't know.
Speaker 1: All I know is I saw a couple of gang
Speaker 1: banger movies which we just proved a trap. He didn't
Speaker 1: even know. Friday is a game banker movie.
Speaker 4: Not doing that snap. I don't care what you said.
Speaker 4: It's about about smoking weed.
Speaker 1: Like games wig because all game makers do is still
Speaker 1: versus it likes jobs, say.
Speaker 2: Glasses tell the gang bangers are at the park cleaning
Speaker 2: up every day.
Speaker 1: That's actually a true thing.
Speaker 2: Every elementary school and they're mowing grass for the old people.
Speaker 1: Gotta love them that that actually does happen in a
Speaker 1: lot of communities. They do clean up the park and
Speaker 1: run the park. It's funny how you could really be
Speaker 1: making a joke and be dead right and it sounds funny,
Speaker 1: but it just sounds crazy. I get it because I
Speaker 1: get it. John Singleton did such a great job, Robert
Speaker 1: Duvall and Sean Penn did such a great job that
Speaker 1: you like, I got them niggas down. I see what's happening.
Speaker 1: Look at that fat joke. I know how you start
Speaker 1: using their word. I heard his songs. You cannot be
Speaker 1: that arrogant, you.
Speaker 2: Know, yo, y'ad niggas is telling us.
Speaker 1: Now, No, you're hearing art.
Speaker 2: No, I'm telling I'm talking about the plethora of blood pirus, crypts, gds,
Speaker 2: vice lords and the like on YouTube telling you what
Speaker 2: they did, who they did it to entertaining you.
Speaker 3: Is it?
Speaker 1: Yes, I am telling you a fact. I'm giving you nuance,
Speaker 1: fact down to specialty. I'm giving you something like that
Speaker 1: nobody in hip hop has ever gave. Because I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to entertain you. If the facts benefit your life,
Speaker 1: I'm here to bring benefits to people that listen to
Speaker 1: No Sellers podcast. I am not here to entertain you.
Speaker 1: The facts are entertaining, but when you hear the nuance,
Speaker 1: that's when you could feel like you don't know. But
Speaker 1: you would have to concede initially that you don't know.
Speaker 1: And that's the hardest part. Even in this particular conversation
Speaker 1: with latinos in the N word, you you would have
Speaker 1: to conceive jobs, right, I get it, You're right, you
Speaker 1: could have that level of of sternness. I don't want
Speaker 1: nobody not black calling me didn't work, and none of
Speaker 1: us would question you. We're not saying you should let
Speaker 1: the homie call you that. But when your question is
Speaker 1: why do you guys need it happened or why don't
Speaker 1: you inform them on how I feel? Nigga, I don't
Speaker 1: know how you feel. I am as.
Speaker 4: We have this conversation, right, yeah, I think you know
Speaker 4: what I'm thinking about, right, I'm thinking about my brother
Speaker 4: Twan Matt.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, Kareem Kareem City, and I
Speaker 4: never you know what I'm saying from the time I
Speaker 4: met Twa Mac.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Anytime somebody will be engaging in a conversation with him
Speaker 4: and they will go and they will call him that,
Speaker 4: they will call him a nigga. The first thing he'll
Speaker 4: say is, I'm not your n word, your word and
Speaker 4: keep on moving on from it, though, but he makes
Speaker 4: sure he will acknowledge that he wasn't the person that
Speaker 4: word like that. You know what I'm saying. To the
Speaker 4: point where I wanted to, I wanted to. I wanted
Speaker 4: to remove the word out of my vocabulary. You know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. It's becoming kind of difficult to do so,
Speaker 4: but I'm gonna do it one day though. But that's
Speaker 4: what's saying. That's what I was thinking about having this
Speaker 4: conversation right here.
Speaker 1: Because the fact is I hate to say this fuck
Speaker 1: man that I almost hate using fucking other people's talking
Speaker 1: points that's not black. But a black person said this.
Speaker 1: If we don't want other people to use the word,
Speaker 1: we probably shouldn't use the word.
Speaker 3: Yo. Yeah, we had this conversation on Tommy. Yeah, it
Speaker 3: was so crazy.
Speaker 4: Right, we had this conversation on eighty AHD one time, right,
Speaker 4: the same conversation, right, and throughout the whole conversation, everybody that's.
Speaker 3: Talking is using the word like.
Speaker 4: But then at the same time saying they want to
Speaker 4: police and make sure other people something like this is
Speaker 4: so crazy, bro, that's true.
Speaker 3: This is crazy. If you're sitting there just.
Speaker 5: I was telling this a conversation like a few months
Speaker 5: ago with the buddy of mine, and like, if the
Speaker 5: if a purpose of of several of like rap music
Speaker 5: and hip hop is to convey, uh, you know, a
Speaker 5: message to people outside of that environment about the reality
Speaker 5: of what's going on with it, and you do so
Speaker 5: through a culture that is or not through through a
Speaker 5: medium that that propagates the culture, and a lot of
Speaker 5: it's about having a good time. A lot of that
Speaker 5: music is dance. Music is happiest fun in this and this,
Speaker 5: all of that, that's what makes people want to hear it.
Speaker 5: Otherwise it sounded like eagles rubbing their claws against chalkboards.
Speaker 7: No one would fucking want to hear it.
Speaker 5: And it becomes and again it's like with considering your
Speaker 5: you know, the audience, it's difficult to ask the audience
Speaker 5: to accept the package and throw away the rapper, the
Speaker 5: wrapping paper, not the rapper, but w rapper.
Speaker 2: Why how are you really asking why these motherfuckers need
Speaker 2: to say one fucking word out of all the pantheon
Speaker 2: of intellect.
Speaker 1: Because anything jobs off limit? Is why is it?
Speaker 3: So?
Speaker 1: Why would it be?
Speaker 4: Okay, that's not it, that's not the reason, but the
Speaker 4: reason why.
Speaker 5: Your level of camaraderie and acceptance with somebody if it's like, look,
Speaker 5: you can't do this because you're not you know, we're
Speaker 5: not cool with you like that, and then it's like,
Speaker 5: well even for.
Speaker 7: Each other for a long enough time, eggas we're pretty cool.
Speaker 7: Everything I can't get in you know kind of thing.
Speaker 3: That's what it is. I mean, we made it, we
Speaker 3: made it.
Speaker 7: My rationale so why I don't, But why.
Speaker 4: Do they want to do everything that we do? We
Speaker 4: made the cool, We made it cool to be you
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying to say this, You know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying. So it's like, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: everything that we did, they want to they want to
Speaker 4: do it. You know what I'm saying, as anybody outside
Speaker 4: of the outside of the community. We made this ship
Speaker 4: cool to say say, like, Yo, I want to be
Speaker 4: like that. I want to I want to say this name.
Speaker 1: I seen the Kardashian selling their own line of Penaltons flannels.
Speaker 1: I was like, what the fuck.
Speaker 7: That's its own conversation.
Speaker 5: In general, it's like girls so once once they get
Speaker 5: hype down, all of a sudden, now you can say whatever.
Speaker 1: To come out your minder for everybody though, the standard
Speaker 1: for everybody.
Speaker 2: But as far as I mean, if we're being honest,
Speaker 2: white men in this country don't tolerate being told what
Speaker 2: and what not to do. They have a problem with
Speaker 2: being told they cannot stay nigga.
Speaker 1: I don't think we're talking about white folks. I don't think.
Speaker 1: I think I think it's very rare reason. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I don't think we're really debating for white folks. I
Speaker 1: think most white folks except the little rapper gentle. He's
Speaker 1: just shot out to him. He gonna bump his head
Speaker 1: the hard way. Like it's just it's going to be
Speaker 1: a little bit different.
Speaker 4: For you, the big boy, the big boy, it's gonna
Speaker 4: be a little different for you than it's gonna be
Speaker 4: for Mexicans.
Speaker 1: You are a white man, so it's going to be
Speaker 1: a really different thing. Like it's hard for brothers to
Speaker 1: accept Mexicans or Puerto Ricans or Cubans in it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you finna go through World War three, so y'all know
Speaker 1: you're a gang banger. So yeah, I hope your homies
Speaker 1: got you enough squabbles because you're going to be and
Speaker 1: some ship and you.
Speaker 4: Know, you should have just said he was bang. He
Speaker 4: should say he was bang on some ship like that,
Speaker 4: and then and then trying to get away with saying
Speaker 4: that ship because he's bucking that.
Speaker 1: It's part of his marketing. At this point, he's going
Speaker 1: to stand down on it. And it's like they're going to
Speaker 1: get at you and and all your friends too, Like
Speaker 1: that's the thing. Shout out to the homies from Dallas.
Speaker 1: That's that's on the program. But it's like, no, y'all
Speaker 1: better he y'all better really love him because y'all might
Speaker 1: have to kill some brothers over this man. You feel
Speaker 1: me over this white man. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: The South too, In the South doing that.
Speaker 1: People writing Dallas and Houston, like nom.
Speaker 3: Said, No, he ain't from over anything. That ship Dallas,
Speaker 3: We ain't going for that.
Speaker 1: Sho Dallas came. He's like no. So it's like you're
Speaker 1: going to you know, you're gonna have to pay in
Speaker 1: blood to use that word. And you know, if you
Speaker 1: if you're paying enough blood, you know, maybe the world
Speaker 1: to accept it. Maybe I doubt it because you might
Speaker 1: go to the next state and they want some they
Speaker 1: want a pint of blood, and you're gonna run out
Speaker 1: of blood for you. But do your thing. All I'm
Speaker 1: saying is just in the conversation right to have it right.
Speaker 1: So again, we're not trying to convince. I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to convince Detroit or Chicago or Atlanta to understand what's happening.
Speaker 1: That's not my goal. I'm just saying, if you wonder
Speaker 1: why it's happening for us that way, these are the
Speaker 1: people we grew up with, and again jobs like now
Speaker 1: I can prepare somebody. Hey man, don't say that around jobs.
Speaker 1: Job's gonna trip cool, because I know jobs feel some
Speaker 1: kind of way. But in nineteen ninety nine, two thousand jobs,
Speaker 1: I would have not known how nobody in Detroit felt
Speaker 1: about anything. I barely knew how people in Anaheim felt
Speaker 1: about something that's fifteen miles away. Hell, I didn't know
Speaker 1: how people in Critos felt about something, and that's five
Speaker 1: miles away. I didn't know how other people felt about things.
Speaker 1: I thought that I thought Watts was normal for everybody.
Speaker 1: I didn't think I thought every community obviously. I knew
Speaker 1: it was the ghetto, and I knew Beverly Hills was different,
Speaker 1: but I thought every ghetto was the same. I thought
Speaker 1: y'all all grew up with different people. I knew that
Speaker 1: New York had Puerto Ricans, and I knew Florida had
Speaker 1: Columby Colombians, and I always thought we all lived together poor.
Speaker 1: I didn't realize feel me that there are some places
Speaker 1: in America where it's just black people living poor, and
Speaker 1: then white people live poor over there like white people, yeah,
Speaker 1: they live I don't even think nobody poor that's white
Speaker 1: in California. Like I used to have a joke with
Speaker 1: DJ Head. I used to tell you white people are
Speaker 1: gifted one hundred thousand dollars at birth. Because how you
Speaker 1: don't live in the ghetto. How is it more of
Speaker 1: you guys in this state and you're not in the ghetto,
Speaker 1: Like there is no ghetto white place. And then everybody
Speaker 1: tried to sell you on these outskirts, the Lancasters, the
Speaker 1: Palm Deals, the Victorville's. There are still my white ghettos
Speaker 1: out there. Oh there you go up that three five.
Speaker 1: Even then they still own the houses people don't own. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh you go up that five. I need to go
Speaker 1: to a white there. I need to go to a
Speaker 1: white ghetto so I could feel comfortable about California.
Speaker 7: Through in your current I'm in.
Speaker 1: I just need to walk through the neighborhood and people
Speaker 1: hit me up. What's that with you, homie? I need
Speaker 1: I need to see the white ghetto energy.
Speaker 2: Your West Virginia.
Speaker 7: The town my Sleckt grandma's family came from up in.
Speaker 5: Northern Actually no, it was my Sleckt great grandma.
Speaker 1: That's some white people.
Speaker 7: That town was definitely poor.
Speaker 5: They moved there from like some poor town in Georgia.
Speaker 5: That's the town that burnt down. It no longer exists.
Speaker 5: It's gone, ironically named Paradise.
Speaker 3: Town gone.
Speaker 1: And you know what's funny, And this is a cultural difference.
Speaker 3: Job, please please please ask that.
Speaker 2: Right, we gotta go. I'm sorry we got to.
Speaker 5: That.
Speaker 7: She earned it.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 5: I don't give exceptions to standards for personal conduct. That's
Speaker 5: not a thing. So if you if you conduct yourself
Speaker 5: in a certain way, you did that.
Speaker 1: Wow, you know, and this is a cultural difference, right, No,
Speaker 1: lie bro we let Eminem talk so much. We let
Speaker 1: Eminem talk so much about his mom all of that ship.
Speaker 1: We didn't even care. We were like, yep, that's that
Speaker 1: white people ship. If one black rapper made a negative
Speaker 1: song about his mother, his career is over.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 5: I'm talking about two women who's proclifty for the way
Speaker 5: they lived, tore apart, two nuclear families.
Speaker 1: That happens all the time.
Speaker 7: I know it does.
Speaker 5: I don't care for it, and I'm not going to
Speaker 5: will make an exception for it because I know the
Speaker 5: person personally.
Speaker 1: I understand culturally is just different.
Speaker 8: I understand that too. I'm not finding mind. Yeah, and
Speaker 8: I respecting it. I am not advocating. I'm not exactly
Speaker 8: you see jobs. See, I'm not advocating.
Speaker 5: I didn't see everybody else who doesn't have any fucking standards.
Speaker 7: No, that's my standard.
Speaker 1: That's how it's like saying, he glorifying it. That's how
Speaker 1: y'all treat me because I explained to you something.
Speaker 2: No, you, Pete, Pete, absolutely did not glorify it. You'd
Speaker 2: be like, please.
Speaker 5: Discuss glorifying their action. Glorifying I guess my hard line
Speaker 5: standard to.
Speaker 1: Call them such, yes, but to disrespect, even if it's
Speaker 1: the correct title for their behavior, we would consider that disrespectful.
Speaker 1: In the black Black coaching.
Speaker 2: My great grandmother was an in tune advocate daily.
Speaker 3: That's glamorize. Yeah, that was blamorizing right there.
Speaker 1: That nobody like my great grandma God the house. Look,
Speaker 1: she made a man. That is not that glamory jobs.
Speaker 5: I did praise early pioneer of glory whole technology.
Speaker 1: You didn't say that to me. This is what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. He's like, y'all, this is how
Speaker 1: y'all like I be talking, and I don't like I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't. All I'm saying Jobs is coming into these
Speaker 1: conversations and shout out to all the brothers that listened
Speaker 1: to this podcast. Shout out to all the browns, all
Speaker 1: the blacks, all the blacks, all the browns, all the
Speaker 1: white yellows, ribs, whatever, whoever listened to this podcast. You
Speaker 1: have to come into this thing knowing. If you didn't
Speaker 1: grow up culturally involved, then there's something to be learned.
Speaker 1: But if you come into it disingenuously thinking you understand
Speaker 1: or telling me about your life versus listening to full
Speaker 1: detail so you could formulate a thought. Because right now,
Speaker 1: when I first talked to Jobs about this, he had
Speaker 1: a formulated thought of why he felt it shouldn't happen
Speaker 1: for anybody. And I'm telling him what makes growing up
Speaker 1: and watching Compton different than growing up in Detroit, Like,
Speaker 1: it's not like we all logically start to use his
Speaker 1: word because we made sense out of it. It's just
Speaker 1: how we talk. And then over time you start to
Speaker 1: realize somebody else use the word in another way, and
Speaker 1: they say it in another way too to make you
Speaker 1: feel bad. So now you start to see because you
Speaker 1: still can identify if somebody of Latino origin. They all
Speaker 1: say it to you. Some of them will say it
Speaker 1: to you to demean you. You, I mean, they no
Speaker 1: different than the white Maybe that f N word you
Speaker 1: feel me? That nigger they said to the mean you.
Speaker 7: So, what's the what's the word Mexicans use?
Speaker 5: No he.
Speaker 3: Do you know that?
Speaker 7: That's what that translates into. I don't know what that like.
Speaker 7: I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's like cockerroach or something.
Speaker 3: It's like a.
Speaker 1: Raggedy flang word. And see that's what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 1: when Mexicans out here wanted to mean you job, they
Speaker 1: won't even call you like they got their own.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm, yeah, I know the I know the Dominican
Speaker 4: they go, they go with the Morana, that Miranda like
Speaker 4: that that term right there.
Speaker 7: That's sort of.
Speaker 5: Funny in the sense that the demeaning word in that
Speaker 5: culture for black people is the same name of a
Speaker 5: town in the eal An Empire that a bunch of black.
Speaker 7: People moved too.
Speaker 3: But what I've said, you talking about.
Speaker 5: Moreno, right, that's what you said, Moreno Valley. It's it's
Speaker 5: it's not deliberate, it's just like a random it's just
Speaker 5: like randomly unavoidable observation.
Speaker 1: So Maya is a fig eater beetle a fig eater beatle?
Speaker 7: How in the living fuck random is that?
Speaker 3: M I guess it's black?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well this one is green?
Speaker 7: Even more reasonable? What are we talking about?
Speaker 1: But it's meant to be demeaning. Sure, so I'm saying
Speaker 1: that's where it becomes different. And that's why, like a
Speaker 1: lot of times, like I'm not culturally entitled to gang banging,
Speaker 1: I'm just informed. Like right, I'm a gang member, and
Speaker 1: I actually study gang banging, and I actually care about
Speaker 1: people from a gang and I and I go through
Speaker 1: things to learn it. Not only do I have an
Speaker 1: inside perspective and experience, but I'm also more well studied
Speaker 1: in it than somebody who just seen boys in the
Speaker 1: Hood or colors or seen some shit on television. I'm
Speaker 1: going to have a nuance. So a lot of times
Speaker 1: when we you know what's funny, jobs, smart is about
Speaker 1: talking with smart how fast you could process and kick
Speaker 1: some out. I genuinely believe intellect is the ability to listen.
Speaker 1: So if you walk into a conversation thinking you know
Speaker 1: or you're informed, right, then you're threatening your ability and
Speaker 1: and you're showing that you're not intelligent, not you, but
Speaker 1: just explaining to people that you would be showing it.
Speaker 1: So again, like if I'm telling somebody about gang banging
Speaker 1: and they're not a gang member, you would think they
Speaker 1: would listen to me. They'd be like, oh, let me listen.
Speaker 1: But what happens is they'll listen, they're not they're listening,
Speaker 1: they're hearing me. So that's why people think I glorify it. Again,
Speaker 1: we said this on this podcast before. The clinical definite
Speaker 1: of listen is to listen and end. You listen what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, and then you end it. That's it, and
Speaker 1: then you look at what I'm saying. That's your listen
Speaker 1: to hear. The clinical definition of hearing, my man always
Speaker 1: told me was to acknowledge sound. So when somebody is
Speaker 1: not listening to me and they're hearing me, the first
Speaker 1: thing they'll respond with it sounds like you're saying it
Speaker 1: sounds like you're glorifying because you're not listening to me.
Speaker 1: If I tell you, the same person that taught me
Speaker 1: how to sell crack taught me how to fish, that's
Speaker 1: not a glorious thing I'm telling you. He showed me
Speaker 1: how to survive all of these same things right jobs.
Speaker 1: And I think that's why I struggle to communicate with
Speaker 1: an audience, because I'm really giving you something factual. I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to entertain you. I can entertain you, know,
Speaker 1: different than my predecessors. I could put it on thick.
Speaker 1: You don't think I can. I could cater to your ignorance.
Speaker 1: I can cater all the way to your ignorance. Everything
Speaker 1: you believe, I can cater to it. But I try
Speaker 1: to call myself being a more well rounded and a
Speaker 1: greater human by giving you nuance so you can leave
Speaker 1: and make more sense out of it with your own life,
Speaker 1: and also have more information on something that you may
Speaker 1: be intrigued by or confused by. But it seems that
Speaker 1: that's not what people want. People want me to cater
Speaker 1: to their ignorance. People want me to make them believe
Speaker 1: whatever they're saying is true.
Speaker 2: That sounds nice, Brouin Man, you're my guy. But if
Speaker 2: it was just about harmony and communal aspect, there are
Speaker 2: other organizations that gang members can join.
Speaker 3: Yo.
Speaker 1: See yo, see how far that's far apart? Like how
Speaker 1: where I started at from where you started at to
Speaker 1: where you harmonious what it's in the middle.
Speaker 2: But in the middle do you never ever talk about
Speaker 2: the bad shit of gangs.
Speaker 1: I just said, my og homie taught me how to
Speaker 1: sell crack and catch fish.
Speaker 2: But but but then you back it up with to survive.
Speaker 2: As if going to work at McDonald's is not putting
Speaker 2: food on people's tables.
Speaker 1: It's not. I mean in Detroit where the house is
Speaker 1: eight hundred dollars, but not in Los Angeles.
Speaker 2: I guarantee you right now, in the city of Los Angeles,
Speaker 2: you can ride to a McDonald's and they will have employees.
Speaker 1: Yes, but I bet you none of them can pay
Speaker 1: their rent off that salary.
Speaker 2: They it is assisting in making them make ends meet
Speaker 2: in some way.
Speaker 1: So you're saying by the legal president.
Speaker 2: And to be to be quite clear, most niggas to
Speaker 2: sell crack are broke.
Speaker 1: I agreed.
Speaker 2: So that that's not exactly like that's not putting food
Speaker 2: on a table either.
Speaker 1: I'm not. I didn't say that. I'm telling you the
Speaker 1: opportunity to make more money and selling crack is more
Speaker 1: of vagailable if you go to McDonald's. When first off,
Speaker 1: when I would have been working at McDonald's, it had
Speaker 1: been for twenty five an hour, right, that would have
Speaker 1: been Here's the truth. When I first start trying to
Speaker 1: wrap when I got said it's about rap. After Drey
Speaker 1: said you should be doing this, and I took a
Speaker 1: whole year and I had a job. I was selling
Speaker 1: Sharon before that, but I had a job, and then
Speaker 1: I had no Sharme money. It was the hardest time
Speaker 1: in my life paying bills and my apartment was cheap.
Speaker 1: Like I'm not telling people to do illegal things. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying I understand if you do. If the system
Speaker 1: is not gonna play fair and make life just and
Speaker 1: give you opportunities and present it to have a livable wage.
Speaker 1: If we can't agree with that as an American society
Speaker 1: or as human decency to have a livable wage, oh
Speaker 1: do what you gotta do.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm curious is over the lifespan of
Speaker 2: the average gang banger, I wonder what their earnings are,
Speaker 2: because I would argue that if there's some and it's
Speaker 2: just a guest, is not facts. But if there's some
Speaker 2: study out there that says the average earnings of the
Speaker 2: lifetime over the lifetime of a gang banker, juxtapost that
Speaker 2: with any random person that worked at McDonald's during the
Speaker 2: same time that that person. Let's say you jumped off
Speaker 2: the porch at fourteen, and you've gang banged until you
Speaker 2: were forty, but you spent twenty five years in the joint.
Speaker 2: This other person went to work at McDonald's the same
Speaker 2: time you jumped off the porch and never left, not
Speaker 2: an of the district manager at McDonald's. Because they never left.
Speaker 2: They didn't go to prison in a waste to shitloaded
Speaker 2: their life locked up. I'm willing to bet that there
Speaker 2: are more stories of people making an honest living and
Speaker 2: being more monetarily successful than gang banging now.
Speaker 1: But gang banging don't mean you can't work at McDonald.
Speaker 2: There's gang bangers that work. I don't want to go
Speaker 2: look at that McDonald's brouh.
Speaker 1: Of course, they make burgers, the best burgers job.
Speaker 5: There was a fair and it's outdated from the time gap.
Speaker 5: But the book Freakonomics had a portion where the author,
Speaker 5: by some fucking means I don't even know how, but
Speaker 5: kind of like hold up, so to speak, in a
Speaker 5: dope house in Chicago and tracked the earnings of everybody there,
Speaker 5: and the one guy who kind of ran it, who
Speaker 5: made the most money, said did about ninety thousand dollars
Speaker 5: a year, and everybody else was.
Speaker 7: Doing like pigeon shit money.
Speaker 1: There was a time that was interesting, book. There was
Speaker 1: a time when I first got into PCP. I used
Speaker 1: to sell PCP. First off, I started off just being
Speaker 1: the lookout for a house or PCP house on me
Speaker 1: paid me five hundred dollars a week.
Speaker 2: Damn he hired.
Speaker 1: This is back then, five hundred dollars a week. But
Speaker 1: I worked twelve hours a day, wow, six days a week,
Speaker 1: sitting outside the house. But I saw, like you said,
Speaker 1: I was looking at that district manager opportunity. It's like,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm gonna get in there. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get in there, right. So I did that for about
Speaker 1: two three months. My homie started stealing from my older homie.
Speaker 1: The dudes my age starts stealing from my older homie,
Speaker 1: and I got in there. That paid me three fifty
Speaker 1: a week jobs, except every ounce I sold I get
Speaker 1: to keep the over. So if it made three hundred
Speaker 1: dollars an ounce, right, if it's so, an ounce is
Speaker 1: you know twenty eight ccs, right, So you need to
Speaker 1: dip sixty sticks to make three hundred dollars, right, I
Speaker 1: had to give him three hundred dollars an ounce, which
Speaker 1: usually that's all you can get. But Glass is being
Speaker 1: a math man in such a you know, a guy
Speaker 1: trying to innovate. I was getting an extra sixty dollars
Speaker 1: off each one, right, So now I was making three
Speaker 1: forty five to three hundred and seventy dollars. I'm running
Speaker 1: through six bottles every day as I'm working in the
Speaker 1: spot for those eight to ten hours six ounces, right,
Speaker 1: So now instead of that, I'm getting an extra three
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty dollars a day. So by the end
Speaker 1: of the week, I'm making two thousand dollars a week,
Speaker 1: fifteen hundred to two thousand dollars by the end of
Speaker 1: the week. That's what made it compelling. See now, my
Speaker 1: immature mind, I was ignorant. I was a kid, so
Speaker 1: I didn't I was like, why am I finna go
Speaker 1: to school to be a pharmacist. Pharmacists make sixty thousand
Speaker 1: dollars a year. I'm making eight thousand to ten thousand
Speaker 1: dollars a month being here, and that's like too Again,
Speaker 1: I'm ignorant, So obviously, you know, jail is not a fear,
Speaker 1: Dying is not a fear. You're not looking at the
Speaker 1: future because you're immature. Now, this is where your parents right.
Speaker 1: And my dad didn't know what I was doing, and
Speaker 1: my mom was in trouble. My mom tried to actually
Speaker 1: stop me a million times, and I was gonna do
Speaker 1: it anyway. So forgive me, because they did the best
Speaker 1: they could. I was determined to screw up. But I'm
Speaker 1: saying that became what made sense. But none of this
Speaker 1: has anything to do with gang banging, Like this is
Speaker 1: just the opportunities in the community. So I'm saying I
Speaker 1: agree with you in a sense that if you have,
Speaker 1: like like we talked about, even with the latinos and
Speaker 1: the N word, if you have enough cognitive and global
Speaker 1: understanding of how brothers in Detroit is gonna feel and
Speaker 1: they don't grow up with anybody else except black people,
Speaker 1: then yes, but you also would probably have the same
Speaker 1: mind state to if you knew how brothers in Detroit
Speaker 1: felt without having family in Detroit, you know, especially in
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety eight ninety nine, about how they felt or
Speaker 1: what their life was like, you'd probably be like a billionaire.
Speaker 7: You have to just start dialing with like three one
Speaker 7: three numbers and seeing what happened.
Speaker 1: I didn't even know the area code of the Truth
Speaker 1: until them came out.
Speaker 3: Like what are we saying?
Speaker 1: I don't know the area code. I didn't even know
Speaker 1: the air coldor Detroit tail eminem came out. How else
Speaker 1: would I know the area? You get what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Poverty is very encompassing. It's smothering, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's because you don't feel like you could get somewhere else.
Speaker 1: That's why people are rebelling against the term. That's why
Speaker 1: they call it financial freedom, which that's an overstated thing
Speaker 1: to be trapped into pursuing shit when you in the finances.
Speaker 1: But I'm saying, you get what I'm saying. It's like
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not trying to recommend to you what
Speaker 1: life is about. I'm not saying you should let Latinos
Speaker 1: call you that. I keep saying it because I want
Speaker 1: people to understand what I'm saying. I'm saying why they
Speaker 1: do it. Where Glasses is from and where Trapp is from,
Speaker 1: It's because we grow up in the struggle together. There
Speaker 1: is no separate struggle. So we all talk the same way. Culturally,
Speaker 1: we dress the same way, we do the same things.
Speaker 1: And that's what I'm saying to that dude's point who
Speaker 1: said that, you know, you don't see black people using
Speaker 1: the N word, I mean using saying essay, yes you do.
Speaker 1: The black people who grew up in completely solo dominated
Speaker 1: culture areas what you think they seeing cousin in the
Speaker 1: middle of Acholo neighborhood. They grew up with all Tolos
Speaker 1: their whole life, and you know Mexican folks that become
Speaker 1: Tolos and they and they talk like the nigga that's
Speaker 1: two miles away. They'll know they're gonna talk like the locals.
Speaker 1: If you raise a brother in Spain his whole life
Speaker 1: with Spanish people, he's going to talk Spanish. He's going
Speaker 1: to have the culture of Spanish people. Even if you
Speaker 1: see his innate DNA styling coming out, he's still going
Speaker 1: to style what they're doing until he gets exposed to
Speaker 1: something different.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But the problem is, and in fact Joe's case, he
Speaker 2: has been told on numerous occasions, this is not a
Speaker 2: welcome thing for you across the board, and he is
Speaker 2: chosen to ignore that because that is my only they
Speaker 2: say around you, that is fine. If they come to
Speaker 2: another area and that area the people that they are
Speaker 2: with tell them, hey, this is unacceptable here, and they
Speaker 2: say fuck that. My boys, and so and so said,
Speaker 2: I could.
Speaker 3: Say, so, would you would you respect? Would you respect
Speaker 3: them more? If he?
Speaker 4: If he, if he listened to it, and go all right,
Speaker 4: So right here, I'm not allowed to say it. But
Speaker 4: when I go back over there, I can say it.
Speaker 3: Though.
Speaker 2: I don't care what you say about them niggas with
Speaker 2: them niggas over there.
Speaker 3: Now. Yeah, I'm just saying, if you.
Speaker 2: Brought this nigga over to my house and here, your
Speaker 2: responsibility and okay, this is not a welcome situation in
Speaker 2: my house. And if he continues after being told that,
Speaker 2: then I'm blaming both of y'all. Sure, I'm supposed to go.
Speaker 5: Ahead, go ahead, like so, in real time, the three
Speaker 5: of you were sitting at a coffee table, Fatcho says
Speaker 5: that you reach and punch trap right in the face.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, but that is a different it's your thought, Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: But what if he says, Okay, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: say it when I'm in Detroit, because that body.
Speaker 2: But he still says, although I will say I'm looking
Speaker 2: at the nigga sideways.
Speaker 3: Turn it off.
Speaker 2: I'm looking at whoever is with whatever nigga is with
Speaker 2: fact Joe, that is okay. This I'm looking at differently.
Speaker 1: And see, that's where I'm trying to stop you from doing.
Speaker 1: That's the point of this longer conversation. You can't look
Speaker 1: out of ignorance because the reason why you feel the
Speaker 1: power in you using the word is not the same
Speaker 1: reason why. None of us can explain why we use
Speaker 1: the word or why it's logical. All we know is
Speaker 1: we don't want anybody else. Well specifically, y'all don't want
Speaker 1: anybody else using the word except people that look like you.
Speaker 1: But that's not a common thing for all of us.
Speaker 1: We don't have that same You know, some people it's
Speaker 1: different because again, if you go to the west side
Speaker 1: of South Central, they don't grow up with Mexican people.
Speaker 1: I would imagine they would feel the same way. Like
Speaker 1: if you go to the six Os and the A trades,
Speaker 1: I would imagine they would, Well, the trades do have
Speaker 1: some mex not not masses, not like Watts, so they
Speaker 1: may feel the same way.
Speaker 5: Figure like when you're at a cultural event at La
Speaker 5: Merk Park a Mexican passing through, it's probably not gonna
Speaker 5: be like, no, the greatest.
Speaker 1: But but again, if he with his homeboys, right, because
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's Mexican guys from from forties, right, and
Speaker 1: he grew up with them his whole life, he talks.
Speaker 5: Just like because like forties would or at least support
Speaker 5: forties is big, but like port would go like Manual
Speaker 5: Art High School, right, that's.
Speaker 1: Like forty go from what do you go from? Roughly
Speaker 1: Vermont they say fig now but Vermont to Krisshaw. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's like second nature too. That's a crazy part
Speaker 1: is you just know it automatically. And I knew it
Speaker 1: at like twenty one.
Speaker 2: I've never grown up and been like, oh well, like
Speaker 2: it was a couple of hoods that we would have
Speaker 2: beef with, but it wasn't like I'm not going over
Speaker 2: to bag No Broad because these niggas live there.
Speaker 1: No, I ain't never not went nowhere to back No
Speaker 1: Broads until we got into an issue and they realized
Speaker 1: that they don't want me over there. But you go
Speaker 1: everywhere until people you know don't want you in their
Speaker 1: community till they'd be like, oh, we got a problem.
Speaker 5: But you go wherever it's at. You just rolling down Now,
Speaker 5: it's cool, guys. I'm just going over here to fuck
Speaker 5: your sister. I'll be out about an hour.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure. I mean, I don't believe jobs anyway, though.
Speaker 1: I believe if we went to some area in Detroit.
Speaker 1: We flew into Detroit and it's a bunch of niggas
Speaker 1: hanging out on the street that's from that community, and
Speaker 1: you just hop out your little car. Your car is
Speaker 1: like some kind of cultural iconic car. You know, you
Speaker 1: just walk in the house. He acted like niggas ain't
Speaker 1: feel like, well, he's just going to get some puts
Speaker 1: in the.
Speaker 3: Shit.
Speaker 2: That would be a max grow cultural things.
Speaker 1: You're missing the point.
Speaker 3: But you're missing the point.
Speaker 1: That's we just have titles for the community. Guys. It's
Speaker 1: the same thing. So if I go to somebody's community
Speaker 1: to mess with a woman, right specifically, and I come
Speaker 1: jump out of a nice car and I look, I
Speaker 1: look the culture, it's going to be some concerns. What's
Speaker 1: up with him?
Speaker 3: Who is who is that?
Speaker 1: Oh he gonna fuck with Shauna most likely Shauna probably
Speaker 1: is sleeping with somebody over.
Speaker 2: Here, and depending on my car, I might just leave.
Speaker 3: The hotel. See what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I'm definitely not trusting that because she might be a
Speaker 2: set up.
Speaker 1: But y'alls trying to but we go hold this for
Speaker 1: the next conversation, because you try to put it off
Speaker 1: on us and make me think it's just a l
Speaker 1: a thing. But like I could go to Queens and
Speaker 1: just walk in Queen's Bridge, I'm just going to get
Speaker 1: some pussy.
Speaker 3: To do it before.
Speaker 2: But when I was younger, I was you know, we
Speaker 2: got a big family contingency in Chicago, so I'll go
Speaker 2: to Chicago every summer and like the gangs. One thing
Speaker 2: that struck me was how organized they were, but how
Speaker 2: much they ruled the neighborhood. Old people would not wear
Speaker 2: a certain coat because this was that gang coat. What
Speaker 2: the fuck somebody seventy years old supposed to be worried
Speaker 2: about gang.
Speaker 1: Shit for the crazy parties, You think they forced them
Speaker 1: versus those seven year old people feeling like they're part
Speaker 1: of the community and they don't want to wear it neither.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, you cannot believe that, bro.
Speaker 1: It's the facts.
Speaker 2: It's not it's a fact, just getting being scared, but
Speaker 2: getting their ass whooped.
Speaker 1: That's not true. That's not true. You you really do
Speaker 1: not believe people buy into it. That's not in the infantry.
Speaker 1: That's like saying people who don't have family and service
Speaker 1: don't believe in American. They don't the Americans.
Speaker 2: It's niggas and wats that are not gang members that
Speaker 2: will go to any store anywhere. Yes, it is something.
Speaker 2: I'm absolutely certain that during I'll say this, during wartime,
Speaker 2: there are certain areas that your whole community will avoid
Speaker 2: because they know that particular area is on red alert
Speaker 2: for your particular gang.
Speaker 4: No, I'm telling you know what he's saying is like, yo,
Speaker 4: so if you're from a certain neighborhood right there, even
Speaker 4: if you're not with the gang, you know, not to
Speaker 4: go over to the other neighborhoods het, somebody gonna check you.
Speaker 1: Exactly where if the gang?
Speaker 2: No, No, what about what about what about the line?
Speaker 3: What about the line?
Speaker 4: What about the line that I mean, I don't know,
Speaker 4: I know about the line up there where your grandmother
Speaker 4: FuMB and all that, Like they check a niggas like that.
Speaker 1: That's only when you're like our age and they believe
Speaker 1: you're a part of a community. It's not because they
Speaker 1: really tripping on where your grandma from. They think you're
Speaker 1: being scary and now they're going to force you into
Speaker 1: being who you supposed to be.
Speaker 4: But what if you're not that though, that's what's gonna
Speaker 4: be working. You will get worked as if you are
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 1: Those if you if you really, if you really, it
Speaker 1: depends on how you are. If you a stand up man,
Speaker 1: if you're punk, they gonna That's the one thing that's
Speaker 1: kind of messy about humans is you know they they
Speaker 1: will continue to punk somebody, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: if they can. It's just natural right. They ain't gotten
Speaker 1: to do with gangs. But if you are a man
Speaker 1: you like y'all, I ain't from nowhere, people gonna leave
Speaker 1: you alone. But if they think that you kind of cowering,
Speaker 1: like like you're from somewhere but you just don't want
Speaker 1: to tell us. Now, we're gonna press you where you're from.
Speaker 1: What are your mama's stay?
Speaker 5: If someone asks you if you're a big homie, they're
Speaker 5: not probably curious. They think you're a lying when you
Speaker 5: said you were from over there originally exactly, But you get.
Speaker 3: Out of that ship.
Speaker 2: By saying, you seem to think that that question is
Speaker 2: a normal question. I shouldn't have to tell something nigga
Speaker 2: walking down the street, where the fuck I'm from?
Speaker 1: I'm from?
Speaker 2: Where I'm from?
Speaker 1: Well depends.
Speaker 3: You could be. You could be, you could be, you.
Speaker 1: Could be a threat to someone's existence. That's why they're
Speaker 1: asking you where you're from. We don't like New York.
Speaker 1: We not like New York. What I'm saying, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Walking is a part of how you
Speaker 1: guys travel, like like culture. Travel is an important thing
Speaker 1: in culture, Like we travel as the low riders and
Speaker 1: ship like New York. People travel and they take you know,
Speaker 1: they got the trucks, jeeps, they got, they ride the train,
Speaker 1: they walk, that's the way they travel. So people walking
Speaker 1: through a community wouldn't be the same. Like you may
Speaker 1: be on your way to somebody, that's not how we
Speaker 1: travel in l A. If you're walking through somewhere or
Speaker 1: you're going somewhere over here, like you're not passing through,
Speaker 1: Like what's up with you?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: Who are you?
Speaker 3: And what do you do?
Speaker 1: What's your business here? That's a fair question.
Speaker 2: It is not.
Speaker 1: It is no, no, no, a fair question. Hey, I'm
Speaker 1: delivering mail, taking the rape through here.
Speaker 2: White guy in the suit walks down the street and
Speaker 2: they don't give him that same energy.
Speaker 1: By black guy in the suit walking down the street,
Speaker 1: nobody getting the same energy the police.
Speaker 2: You meet. But but the police just a threat as
Speaker 2: anybody else.
Speaker 3: Why you no serve and protect.
Speaker 7: To make a preemptive strike on this.
Speaker 1: It's a different type of threat, different type of threat,
Speaker 1: different types of.
Speaker 3: What he's saying though, But.
Speaker 1: It's also kind of I always say, that's like a
Speaker 1: lazily articulated point. If you're a black guy in the suit,
Speaker 1: nobody's gonna say nothing to you. Like it ain't just
Speaker 1: white guys in the suit. Like if you're a black
Speaker 1: guy in the male uniform, nobody gonna If you're black,
Speaker 1: for nobody say to you. If you're a black guy,
Speaker 1: that makes nobody you might got.
Speaker 3: To talk for you.
Speaker 2: Black guy doesn't get robbed, No, man, I got the
Speaker 2: track that sucked up big This.
Speaker 1: Got the tree for sure. He got some money. That
Speaker 1: guy and sue job. I swear, my god, man, the
Speaker 1: movies so messed up.
Speaker 2: When I when I come out there, boy, I better.
Speaker 1: I have to take you to the PJ to let
Speaker 1: you just see everybody.
Speaker 2: It's like a musical out there and.
Speaker 3: Music.
Speaker 1: You see how you did that though, You see how
Speaker 1: you went that for I took Pete this is I
Speaker 1: took Pete on the seven before.
Speaker 7: No, we'vever been over there, not you. Who I take
Speaker 7: somebody else?
Speaker 1: I gotta take Pete on the set.
Speaker 3: I know I've never been there before me.
Speaker 1: Who hood did we meet in? You didn't mean nobody hood?
Speaker 1: When doing what I forgot? Go ahead, go ahead, I'm
Speaker 1: chipping to take pizza.
Speaker 5: I will say, like the times I've been in spots
Speaker 5: I shouldn't have been and got like encounters. It's not
Speaker 5: like the energy is more so trying to feel out
Speaker 5: if I'm just not well. That was in Oakland, they
Speaker 5: used to that was the police hardest fucking Oakland on
Speaker 5: both sides.
Speaker 1: On both sides.
Speaker 7: It looks like I was about thirteen, so like.
Speaker 1: Young under undercover, you're a young undercover.
Speaker 5: But it's kind of the energy I get out of
Speaker 5: it is more so like trying to feel out if
Speaker 5: I'm just like the easiest come up in the world
Speaker 5: that just fell out of a helicopter lapping.
Speaker 1: Do you know where you're at. That's nigga favorite.
Speaker 2: That's for eight thousand dollars.
Speaker 6: Here.
Speaker 5: It's more so like, do you know anybody here that's
Speaker 5: gonna get back at me? What I what I get
Speaker 5: all you have on you from you in about ten seconds.
Speaker 1: And that's not often that that's gonna be a particular
Speaker 1: but half a dozen eighty times right in my life
Speaker 1: again again jobs, No, it's not. It's not like a
Speaker 1: white person can be. If a white person wearing Diggies
Speaker 1: and Chucks, niggas is hitting him up jobs. If he
Speaker 1: dressed like a soldier, if he dressed like a trooper,
Speaker 1: niggas hitting him up jobs. Hey, where you're from, ain't
Speaker 1: nobody go back? Oh he's white, he's good. If he
Speaker 1: goes somewhere, If Pete goes somewhere, if he go to Inglewood,
Speaker 1: if you go to the if he go to the
Speaker 1: families and to the bottoms wearing some blue Chucks with
Speaker 1: some blue legs, some Diggies and a T shirt and
Speaker 1: the blue Dodger had, they are whooping his ass. The
Speaker 1: one thing about this game, shit, it is equal opportunity whoopings.
Speaker 1: They might whoop his ass worse. Yeah, I probably like
Speaker 1: also like there's certain ways that like like white ex
Speaker 1: cons always looks certain ones, yes, where I wouldn't want
Speaker 1: to look jo. I wouldn't want to dress just like
Speaker 1: they dress and just hop out at certain apartment buildings
Speaker 1: like that. Why I wouldn't want to do that. Jobs
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, if Pete went over there with some
Speaker 1: blue chucks to Inglewood with blue chucks, blue lights and
Speaker 1: dickies and and a white T shirt with a blue
Speaker 1: blue hat and the blue rag, they are.
Speaker 5: Whooping his ass. I think that whoop my ask for
Speaker 5: just for being like, they're not even gonna hit you up.
Speaker 5: They wouldn't, don't even they would think I was even
Speaker 5: a crypt They just be like, we just got to be.
Speaker 7: Was there a castle? Call over here?
Speaker 2: You go the regular neighborhood or the neighborhood organization? So
Speaker 2: who is this the regular citizens of the neighborhood or
Speaker 2: is this the neighborhood organization.
Speaker 1: It's just kind of like silent understandings.
Speaker 2: So some blind crippled nigga is beating Pete up.
Speaker 1: If Pete went somewhere dressed like that, it's gonna be
Speaker 1: little kids gonna whoop his ass. Why is that because
Speaker 1: they gonna look at him like the nerve of this
Speaker 1: motherfucker come over here dressed like a gang maker.
Speaker 5: It would be probably perceived as I'm flagrantly disrespecting.
Speaker 1: Their whole way of life, including black that first, and
Speaker 1: that's for sure, the gang rules.
Speaker 2: Of that neighborhood were transcending whatever community he's from.
Speaker 1: Gangs don't really have rules, though, Pete, Like, maybe like
Speaker 1: the Jungles have rules because of t Rogers rest in peace,
Speaker 1: but most gangs is kind of like these sub do unspoken,
Speaker 1: nuanced you know facts that you just know. I mean
Speaker 1: you you you just grow up like there's no true rules,
Speaker 1: like the same rules and regular any criminal lifestyle is
Speaker 1: the same in game making.
Speaker 5: Well, I think that's an issing point you brought up though,
Speaker 5: because he was talking about Chicago and t Rogers is
Speaker 5: from Chicago, so that might be some you know, big
Speaker 5: difference between.
Speaker 1: To the recipes of the Homony the Big Mummy. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's again, and that's all I want you to do. Jobs.
Speaker 1: I guess that's all I want you to do. I
Speaker 1: just want you to understand that maybe you don't quite
Speaker 1: understand the dynamics like I understand why you don't want
Speaker 1: somebody calling you that because you're a brother. Like now
Speaker 1: I'm grown, I get it. I wouldn't even like I
Speaker 1: get it, But you would also have to understand why
Speaker 1: our dynamic is as close as it is. Like that's
Speaker 1: what I'm trying to give you information on the true
Speaker 1: dynamics of the relationship. So it's like you didn't grow
Speaker 1: up with no latinos, but then in Chicago sometimes they
Speaker 1: do too, right, So it's like you have to concede
Speaker 1: that there are some things you understand that don't mean
Speaker 1: can see that you let somebody else call that's not
Speaker 1: your person, that's not your guy. But I'm saying with you,
Speaker 1: saying you looking crazy at us. I'm just expressing to
Speaker 1: you why us is why we let this happen. I
Speaker 1: get it.
Speaker 2: And if I come out there, you know nobody.
Speaker 1: None of my homewies gonna that first start. They gonna
Speaker 1: look at you like a stranger. They're not gonna be like,
Speaker 1: what's up, money, They're not gonna talk to you like that.
Speaker 1: They don't know you, they're not gonna get they really
Speaker 1: say nothing. I'm be like this, Momi jobs, I'll be
Speaker 1: like what up. First off, they're not gonna give you
Speaker 1: too much energy at all. But you know, the more
Speaker 1: you funk with them, you'll realize it ain't that much.
Speaker 1: Like I said, it's not as different as you would imagine.
Speaker 2: I'm definitely wearing a suit too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, to trust man, nobody gonna say that to you.
Speaker 7: Wear that.
Speaker 1: Might have to come rescue you.
Speaker 2: I'm not doing that.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 1: Plus, you know, the trait gonna sound that different from
Speaker 1: l A neither, so they'll be looking at it like
Speaker 1: this nigga from around the a nigga, where you where
Speaker 1: your Grandma's? They gonna for sure you're gonna get away.
Speaker 2: Ain't nobody about to ask me where my grandma? Ad?
Speaker 1: Where are you from? Are you from around here? From Detroit?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Detroit don't got no accent? Nigga, where's you from? You
Speaker 1: gotta come out there with some buffs on where Detroit had.
Speaker 1: They're gonna be like, he might get the trade, rob
Speaker 1: me take my buffs. Oh, this nigga is a lick,
Speaker 1: but sure they might think of that shit.
Speaker 2: I'm cool that we out here.
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