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Speaker 1: First of all, Man, I like to apologize to you.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 3: You know, you one of my one of my favorite players,

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Speaker 3: and it's been too long since we didn't get you.

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Speaker 1: You know, the pandemic hits it.

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Speaker 3: Like I told you, he was on phone, like, Man,

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Speaker 3: I just want to get you in person because you know,

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Speaker 3: you one of the guys, so I want to make

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Speaker 3: sure we have you in person instead of doing you

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Speaker 3: over zoom.

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Speaker 1: So I apologize for that. That's all me.

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Speaker 2: This is a straight out of high school shit he

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Speaker 2: liked to do. Ain't never a handful of us anything.

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Speaker 2: I telling you, Man, that's all me. So I apologize

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Speaker 2: for us taking too long because it was well over dudes.

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Speaker 2: But man, first of all, I like to get me

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Speaker 2: go ahead.

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Speaker 3: I like to thank you for coming on the show,

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Speaker 3: rocking with we justinite appreciate it. Appreciate y'all when you

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Speaker 3: first got to the league, who was the first person

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Speaker 3: to bust your well?

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Speaker 2: You know, first of all, everything happened in due time.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate y'all. Man, big fan of the show. You

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Speaker 2: guys done a phenomenal job. That's crazy. Eight seasons in now, right,

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Speaker 2: that's longevity and that's worked man. So congratulations to y'all. Uh,

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Speaker 2: the first person that actually bust my ass was a

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Speaker 2: chem Olaja one you got.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's crazy.

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Speaker 2: I was in I've been in the league, so I

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Speaker 2: was in the league so long that I was able

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Speaker 2: to see multiple something. Even the people that I grew

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Speaker 2: up watching, they were still an elite doing the thing.

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Speaker 2: But the King was just that. I remember it was

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Speaker 2: in Houston and I didn't even expect to get any game,

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Speaker 2: and he made sure that I wasn't in there.

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Speaker 4: Loan wasn't in there, Loan And I.

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Speaker 2: Think I might have picked up three four files and

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Speaker 2: literally less than two and a half three minutes.

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Speaker 1: What was about a king?

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Speaker 2: That?

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Speaker 3: It was just it was like, man, I see why

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Speaker 3: you you a king? While you that good?

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Speaker 2: His footwork, his strength, People don't really talk a lot

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Speaker 2: about his skill set. He was six or eleven, fluing,

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Speaker 2: shoot it, pump fakes, makes like I mean, put on

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Speaker 2: the floor.

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Speaker 1: I mean.

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Speaker 4: And he was strong too.

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Speaker 2: So the crazy thing is that people don't realize he

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Speaker 2: fasts a lot through his through his career and all

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Speaker 2: that other stuff too. So his his strength jumped on

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Speaker 2: me right away. I was like this man, at least

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Speaker 2: wait three point fifty, but he moving like he won fifty, right,

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Speaker 2: and so you know I had no shot.

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Speaker 4: I had no shot in hell. Uh.

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Speaker 2: Some of it was because I was a big fan.

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Speaker 2: He's one of my favorite players watching growing up watching

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Speaker 2: and then he just the skill set was just too

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Speaker 4: Yo, yo yo. We live on location. We out here

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Speaker 4: in Dallas, Fellas. You know what I'm saying. We live

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Speaker 4: on case. It came to Dallas to give my man

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Speaker 4: the Black liber rotchet. You know what I'm talking about, Hey,

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Speaker 4: most improved ice man, one of the Hey, look, we

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Speaker 4: ain't gonna talk about the ice those is unmentionedable. We're

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Speaker 4: gonna talk about what he did on the court. Jermaine

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Speaker 4: O'Neill High School, Don Doater, most improved all start many

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Speaker 4: times over USA Olympia and all that gold medalists. We

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Speaker 4: got all that, and we're gonna get into a lot

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Speaker 4: of big stuff. Man, the Black Liberty rotch. You hear me,

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Speaker 4: the big dog jay yo set it up. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 4: having me Fellas presented by Hennessy.

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Speaker 3: Move that started a movement, Like you ain't the first

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Speaker 3: guy that went straight out of high school, right, but

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Speaker 3: you are definitely amongst the all Stars, the greats that

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Speaker 3: come out of there, Like, how was it for you

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Speaker 3: guys that went straight out of high school to even

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Speaker 3: make that jump. I feel like that's a move that

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Speaker 3: started a movement, Like how was it for you?

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Speaker 4: First of all?

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Speaker 2: Shout out to all the high school players that came out.

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Speaker 2: It's a hell of a transition, bro, It's no format

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Speaker 2: that can prepare you for that. You know, you're going

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Speaker 2: So you know, it was literally the hardest thing I've

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Speaker 2: everybody went to different situations. In your situation, you right

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Speaker 2: year process. Yeah, that was college one on one, even

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Speaker 2: though after year two I knew I was ready to play.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so I had to go. I went.

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Speaker 2: I was fortunate enough and unfortunate enough, fortunate enough to

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you came to the city, you wouldn't

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Speaker 2: thing ready for me to come. They knew that I

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Speaker 3: That's the reason they did me like that when I

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Speaker 4: That's what they do. Bro.

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Speaker 2: They like shout out to the Allen family, the Portland Trailblazers, uh,

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Speaker 2: you know, and the city of Portland, State of Oreon.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: They just like they didn't put any pressure on me

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Speaker 2: to need to perform, even though I felt pressure because obviously,

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Speaker 2: you know, Kevin did it the year before, Cole was

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Speaker 2: was rough, man, it was hard, four years of transition.

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Speaker 2: I knew I need to get stronger. I know, I

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Speaker 2: on the court my senior year to be in the

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Speaker 2: fourth best at my position the very next year. That's

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Speaker 2: a hard I mean on my own team. But you know,

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Speaker 2: Gary Trent, she Wilas Sabonis, Cliff Robinson, Brian Grant, I mean, Debtless, Shrimp,

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Speaker 2: d'y Tonio Wingfield, just so many ogs that had an

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Speaker 2: The funny thing is I remember Rick Carlile being on

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Speaker 2: So he'll come out, you know, people don't notice and

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Speaker 2: I got so disappointed and down about not playing because

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Speaker 2: remember not letting him in the house. You left him

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Speaker 2: out with the chain on the door, open the door.

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Speaker 2: I'm talking to him through the door. But then I

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Speaker 2: realized it took Gary Trent, Kenny Anderson and all those

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Speaker 1: Better, you better get it together.

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Speaker 2: So right away I said, okay, let me let me

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Speaker 2: change my thought process before I be out of the league.

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Speaker 4: As quick as I'm in the league, walk me through that,

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Speaker 4: like when you like, what made you decide that I'm

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Speaker 4: about to stop going to the games? And then like like,

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Speaker 2: There?

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Speaker 1: Ignorant?

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Speaker 4: Blindly listen to nobody tell you you just came up

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Speaker 2: I remember having a conversation with my brother because I

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Speaker 4: But you know, in the league, you start feeling a

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Speaker 2: As soon as you blink, they looking at something difference, right,

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Speaker 2: And so me and my brother's like, bro, come on, man,

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Speaker 2: you gotta go. I'm saying, nah, they drafted me for

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Speaker 2: a purpose, right, this is disrespectful. I can't get in

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Speaker 2: the game at all. And then realize, man, through that

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Speaker 2: process that I don't know if I can be as

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Speaker 4: So people don't.

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Speaker 2: Realize that you have to fail to succeed, right, because

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Speaker 2: if everybody was succeeding off the top, they'll never know

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Speaker 2: And so for me, I just like, okay, I get it.

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Speaker 2: So it made me angry, worked harder, competed those practices.

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Speaker 2: Bro was like harder in the games. Think about the

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Speaker 2: every year. I mean I end up playing with Scottie Pippins.

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Speaker 2: Every year because they were trying to win a championship.

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Speaker 2: And so I was like, man, wait, where m me

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Speaker 3: What was the process like like before you even got drafted,

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Speaker 3: like to even go straight out of high school to

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Speaker 1: A lot of people don't don't.

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Speaker 3: Know about the courage because like, yeah, I can think

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Speaker 3: I'm good enough my homeboy, my mama, but do everybody

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Speaker 3: me up here? And I'm getting my ass, but it's like,

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Speaker 3: am I really that good enough? And it got to jump,

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Speaker 3: Like for me, I was playing against pros already, you

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Speaker 3: good enough to at least be on the.

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Speaker 1: Level to play.

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Speaker 3: Like what was your process of, like, man, like to

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Speaker 1: Skip college. I'm the number one player in high school.

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Speaker 3: I know I'm fen to go to college and be

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Speaker 3: the man and get all the rocks right, but to

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Speaker 2: And it was a mix of things, bro honestly that

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Speaker 2: I didn't I had I had a broken up bringing, right,

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Speaker 2: and I didn't. I didn't really I didn't meet my

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Speaker 2: dad's I was thirty years old, right, and so you know,

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Speaker 2: I was always struggling with that and bounced fround from

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Speaker 2: school to school. And the stabilization happened with Coach Glimp,

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Speaker 2: late great coach g Missate and he changed everything from

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Speaker 2: like my sophomore year, junior year, and then I started

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Speaker 2: playing with Xavier McDaniel right, and he was.

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Speaker 1: Fucking people up, strong motherfuckers. Listen. He was man.

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Speaker 4: How did how were you as a seventeen year old kid,

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Speaker 4: How did that impact you? What was your thought process?

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Speaker 3: When did you know like, I'm the man, I'm the one,

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Speaker 3: And you were one of the best classes. Yeah ever,

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Speaker 3: Like to Arenas, they pre ordering your ship, right, That's

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Speaker 1: Get into it.

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Speaker 4: The first time I ever met the Great George Glynph right,

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Speaker 1: Nobody can come up with him.

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Speaker 4: Fasten him to this day, I swear to God, you

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Speaker 4: Now you for a fact know exactly where it come from.

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Speaker 4: That's the Coach G is like any listen when I

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Speaker 4: I don't care who he met, how long he met you.

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Speaker 1: You remember him.

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Speaker 2: Then he was like like man, then you fast forward.

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Speaker 2: I don't see him no more.

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Speaker 1: I get to the Knicks. Coach G. He was assistant

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Speaker 4: Zeke met him when he brought Joder to from Portland,

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Speaker 2: It's not a lot of people that you meet in

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Speaker 2: It's like it's so many in our upbringings, in our

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Speaker 2: And you know, I was, I was going through a

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Speaker 4: Say a word.

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Speaker 4: He filled the void in many of us.

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Speaker 2: Right, if we don't have him, he doesn't make the

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Speaker 1: Eight thirty thirty pm, no bullshit. Yeah, so it is priced.

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Speaker 1: You're going straight home, get some ego, sleep too tired

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Speaker 2: know it was he what he what he means and

439
00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:39,720
Speaker 2: meant to me, because obviously just passed. I don't know

440
00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:44,400
Speaker 2: if I can just describe that, because he always gave

441
00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:46,960
Speaker 2: it to me at the level that the rest of

442
00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:50,200
Speaker 2: the world wouldn't give it to me, right, And it

443
00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:52,879
Speaker 2: was raw, it was real, it was honest, it was

444
00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,320
Speaker 2: from love, right, and I didn't I never had a

445
00:20:55,480 --> 00:21:01,119
Speaker 2: male do that to me, right, And so everything that

446
00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:03,119
Speaker 2: I go through, everything I went through in the league,

447
00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:06,480
Speaker 2: and now giving back to uh, the kids in my

448
00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:08,760
Speaker 2: communities rather South Carolina, whether it's here in Dallas at

449
00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,840
Speaker 2: Drive Nation or whatever it may be. I'm giving I'm

450
00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:15,160
Speaker 2: teaching them how I was taught right and then giving

451
00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:16,399
Speaker 2: them some some experiences.

452
00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:18,000
Speaker 3: But as tough as they used to be, but you

453
00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:21,199
Speaker 3: you're a little lighter. They can't take the toughness how

454
00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:22,160
Speaker 3: we took back in the day.

455
00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:24,360
Speaker 2: But this man, that's a whole nother conversation with these

456
00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:27,520
Speaker 2: kids like that, you know, But he is he is.

457
00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:29,720
Speaker 1: He's the og of O G s Uh.

458
00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,920
Speaker 2: He's impacted so many people, bro, that is not even

459
00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:36,080
Speaker 2: not even documented. I mean, he's just he's He's a

460
00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,920
Speaker 2: giant that we lost from you know, from our world.

461
00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:40,119
Speaker 4: He's gonna be greatly missed.

462
00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:42,040
Speaker 3: I want to ask you, did you ever get a

463
00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:45,360
Speaker 3: chance to play against Ticket in your earlier.

464
00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:49,359
Speaker 1: So not in against Ticket? Uh?

465
00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,560
Speaker 2: Played this KG in Chicago at the at the Nike

466
00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:57,919
Speaker 2: All American Camp. Never played against him in high school?

467
00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:01,760
Speaker 2: People don't people think he's from Chicago, from Chicago, South Carolina,

468
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:05,320
Speaker 2: South Carolina. He spent his last year in Chicago. But

469
00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:09,359
Speaker 2: they wasn't good enough. He was All World, yeah, but

470
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:12,160
Speaker 2: the team wasn't good enough. So we never met him.

471
00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:14,159
Speaker 2: So they were you would lose, you know early. But

472
00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:16,720
Speaker 2: it was just him on this team and there was

473
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:18,879
Speaker 2: no way at that time in South Carolina where we

474
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,639
Speaker 2: had Ray Allen and and you know Shmann Williams and

475
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:29,320
Speaker 2: so many other players South Carolina talker, they don't know listen, brother,

476
00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,040
Speaker 2: Now that's what I told. I Toldally Uh, I told

477
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:34,560
Speaker 2: the mayor nine, and I said, look, we got to

478
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,560
Speaker 2: get this right at the city. Right, there's too many

479
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:40,199
Speaker 2: products that are coming out of their football, baseball, basketball,

480
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,119
Speaker 2: just some just some monsters coming out there.

481
00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:43,080
Speaker 4: And it's been coming out.

482
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:44,360
Speaker 1: There when it be small like that.

483
00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:46,600
Speaker 3: That's why when when one dude come out, he'd be

484
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:51,640
Speaker 3: an absolute monster just to even get out of that environment,

485
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,080
Speaker 3: like to just get out of there.

486
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,480
Speaker 1: He always be good. He the best. It's something about

487
00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:57,960
Speaker 1: that person.

488
00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:00,800
Speaker 2: But it's so funny though, it's that I had never

489
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 2: saw I heard the legend of it and never saw

490
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 2: him in person because I was like, well, okay, is

491
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,119
Speaker 2: he that good? And you know, man, we got Chicago

492
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:14,960
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, okay, yeah, he's a dog.

493
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 4: He's a dog.

494
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:18,440
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this when you got to When

495
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,879
Speaker 2: you got to, you, Claire, you told the coaches this coach,

496
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 2: you told you're gonna be the best player ever there.

497
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:24,480
Speaker 4: Yeah.

498
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 2: So it's it's actually cla Oh Claire, Yeah, I want

499
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 2: the people, you know, people hitting you in the inbox.

500
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 1: You don't.

501
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:37,719
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I'm sorry, Oh Claire, Yeah, it's I hadn't.

502
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:42,320
Speaker 2: I always believed I had this thing with like speaking

503
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:45,439
Speaker 2: things and existing. My family is very religious, right, so

504
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 2: you know, Mom always said, you know, be careful what

505
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,399
Speaker 2: you say say because what you say word is a

506
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 2: powerful thing.

507
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:52,680
Speaker 4: So I had this thing.

508
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 2: I was caring around car around monopoly money all the time,

509
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:57,400
Speaker 2: and I'll be having that I'll be having that ship

510
00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 2: out like it was real money. So my brother slapped

511
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 2: it out my hand. I'm like, brother, listen, I'm trying

512
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,160
Speaker 2: to tell you it's gonna become real money. So I'm

513
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:06,880
Speaker 2: getting to I go to high I go to high

514
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 2: school and I go into coach Climp's room for the

515
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:13,119
Speaker 2: basketball meeting. I got two earrings in, I got my

516
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 2: pants hanging down. Coach came is like, brother, what you

517
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 2: doing it's a coach. I'm gonna be the best player

518
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 2: you ever coached. I had no idea, but I was terrible.

519
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,880
Speaker 2: Like I had to take dance classes to learn one too.

520
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 2: Like literally shout out to Louis Lewis Dreer, who was

521
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:33,200
Speaker 2: an assistant coach and the head JV coach who really

522
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 2: took the time to really started setting that foundation, putting

523
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:38,600
Speaker 2: that work in, and so he didn't give up on me.

524
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 2: I had this crazy gross spur from six two to

525
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 2: six eleven and three months, right, and.

526
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:45,920
Speaker 1: So what if he went from point guard?

527
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, from guard to center, Damn guard to center. What

528
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 2: your mama doing for your clothes?

529
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 1: You know?

530
00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 2: Back then, my mom was cutting jeans off and making

531
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 2: them jeans.

532
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot of that YouTube.

533
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,200
Speaker 2: Look now, see this is the thing that people sleep

534
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:09,119
Speaker 2: on about. This sixty eleventh seven foot his feet. He

535
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:15,680
Speaker 2: ain't got baby tombos. Ou bro, I'm every bit of

536
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,880
Speaker 2: six five and a half sixty six my foot digger

537
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:19,119
Speaker 2: than his.

538
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:22,920
Speaker 4: This is this is anomaly of the.

539
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 1: World right here.

540
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 2: Thirteen was like a thirteen fourteen high school what you

541
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 2: were today?

542
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:29,680
Speaker 4: I was fifteen.

543
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:36,680
Speaker 3: Houseway How motivational was KG and his process the year

544
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 3: before South Carolina kid, Like, you're going straight out of

545
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 3: high school and.

546
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:43,679
Speaker 1: I used to be intrigued. I don't know if it's you.

547
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,639
Speaker 3: I used to be intrigued or seeing somebody like not

548
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 3: to be the way a dark skin, a real dark skin, dude.

549
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 1: Our color related, you know what I'm saying.

550
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:58,119
Speaker 3: How motivating was him to you, like in your process

551
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,920
Speaker 3: and like the hype that you to hear about him,

552
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 3: the moves he made, the good year he had his

553
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 3: rookie year of playing him going the highest ever, Like,

554
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:09,400
Speaker 3: how motivating was that for you?

555
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 1: Man? I think it was.

556
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 2: That's a great that's a great question, brou because I

557
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 2: remember sitting on the couch with my brother watching the

558
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,439
Speaker 2: draft and obviously heard a lot about him and I

559
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 2: had got a chance to play against some in Chicago,

560
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,639
Speaker 2: but it wasn't really real until the draft. He was

561
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 2: watching that draft and I'm like, damn.

562
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:28,640
Speaker 4: Going to leave.

563
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 1: It's happened to the NBA, And I wasn't.

564
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 2: I wasn't old enough to know about the ogs beforehand,

565
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:37,400
Speaker 2: right even when even with.

566
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 4: Sean Kimp, because I was a big fan of Sean Kimp,

567
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 4: I didn't know that at the time. As a young boy,

568
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,400
Speaker 4: we didn't know that he didn't go to college for real.

569
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 2: It went like I think a community nobody he even was.

570
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 1: Back then, we didn't know about him. He was the

571
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:53,160
Speaker 1: real pioneer.

572
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,679
Speaker 2: We're really setting the legal the legal aspects for us.

573
00:26:55,720 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 2: But KG made it. It was a cool factor, and

574
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,439
Speaker 2: it was a real factor because it happened right they

575
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,160
Speaker 2: talked about it, he did it, and I remember, sitting

576
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 2: on the covered couch, was like, bro, I'm gonna do

577
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 2: this next year. I just told him, I'm gonna do

578
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 2: this next year, not knowing what it all ends. I

579
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 2: didn't know any of that. I just spoken into existing.

580
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 2: That's what I believed. I knew based off playing against

581
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 2: him and being around and you know in Chicago for

582
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 2: the period of time we were together, is that I

583
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 2: knew the level of competitor he was.

584
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 4: So I wasn't really shocked that he did what he did.

585
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 2: Now, I don't think anybody thought at that time that

586
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 2: a high school player can come in and be that flamboyant,

587
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 2: that successful that yeah, and because then you you kind

588
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 2: of say, man, I'm I'm gonna take a little bit

589
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,439
Speaker 2: out of his ingredient pool and I'm gonna put it

590
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 2: into me right already aggressive by nature, you know, the

591
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 2: area I was raised in. So I just had to

592
00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 2: put a little bit of that of his, of his

593
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 2: success into what I was trying to create because I

594
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 2: didn't at the time I wasn't whole right, I'm still

595
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,399
Speaker 2: trying to figure the ship out myself. So you know,

596
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,680
Speaker 2: it was just he just he gave us a lot

597
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 2: of confidence, even even with I remember having a conversation

598
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 2: with Tim Thomas, and Tim Thomas was was probably more

599
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 2: skilled than.

600
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 4: Kevin World and the world Tim Thomas legend. Yes, yes,

601
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 4: he was a monster.

602
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 2: And I was like my brother, so me, him and

603
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 2: Cob in the same class, and Stephen Jackson and Rip Hamilton,

604
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 2: so we're all kind of like in the same time,

605
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 2: like we're in the same little thing. And I was like, man,

606
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 2: I remember, man, Tim was talking about it. I said, Bro,

607
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 2: you what you're gonna do? He said, Man, I don't know,

608
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 2: but I think I'm gonna go to school. I said, well, shit, bro,

609
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 2: I don't think I'm going to school, right, And they

610
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 2: just have everything. Then everything panned out, from the going

611
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 2: to jail to the charge and all that other stuff.

612
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 4: It just made sense at the time.

613
00:28:56,080 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 3: It's crazy to say that because like Tim Thomas, like

614
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 3: that was the myth that was the person that you

615
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 3: always heard about, that was the class that that you know,

616
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 3: even with Kobe, you and Kobe going straight out of

617
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 3: high school, I feel like everybody expected Tim Thomas to

618
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 3: be the one.

619
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 4: He would have been drafted.

620
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 2: He probably would have been drafted the high highest I think,

621
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 2: so he was top just like as far as like

622
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 2: the prospect type. Yeah, but remember back then, like every

623
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 2: week the rankings changed. It was based off success of

624
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 2: what you did personally, what your team did. So it

625
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 2: was I forgot was a Street and Smith Street and Smith,

626
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 2: So you know, it was always so I'm always peaking

627
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 2: in with Cole Cob was doing what what Tim was doing.

628
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 2: And me and Tim, I actually got a chance to

629
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 2: play against each other a lot in high school, so

630
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 2: I was real familiar with him, and I remember first

631
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 2: playing with him against passing Catholic down to murder be sockn.

632
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 4: I was like, who in the fuck is this Kevin?

633
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 4: Kevin Like I'm telling you, they came to Chicago, bro

634
00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 4: hoops and the lot classic.

635
00:29:59,000 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 1: That was when I knew.

636
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 4: I was like, Yo, this whole ship high school shit crazy,

637
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 4: Like when I saw Tommy said sixteen, come down that

638
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 4: bit that head. God damn what happened?

639
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 2: Easiest thirty and like sixteen you ever saw?

640
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 4: And then you had Kevin Freeman have like eighteen on

641
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 4: all kabooms, all kaboom, something come out with him?

642
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 2: He all.

643
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: I was like, yo, what's happening out here? Like what

644
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 1: I'm looking at? He was so good that I think

645
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 1: he was he was too good for high school?

646
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 2: Yes, right, he was like bruh. He was like just

647
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 2: I mean, he was just fucking around and getting thirty.

648
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 2: And I remember guardening and we were just kind of

649
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 2: going back and forth. I said, this boy stopping at

650
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 2: the three point line.

651
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 1: This boy put coming over the pain.

652
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 2: Listen.

653
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 3: He was tough, though. Let me ask you a funny question.

654
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 3: When you got drafted and you was in the league,

655
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 3: how many people used to walk up to you and

656
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 3: be like, are you shocked?

657
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 4: Little brother as old?

658
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 2: Now here's a funny, here's a listen, here's the funniest thing.

659
00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 4: Bro.

660
00:30:57,920 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 2: So that did that? So yeah, that did happen, right.

661
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 2: But the thing that happened the most my first two

662
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 2: or three years. I remember being in l A on

663
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 2: Rodeo drive and I ain't playing, and I'm walking around

664
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 2: by myself and I hear somebody yelling like hey hey.

665
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 2: So I turn around and I see him coming. I said, damn,

666
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 2: somebody recognized me. Hell yeah, kid, run up to me

667
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 2: and it's like, yeah, can you sign this?

668
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 4: And I said okay, cool.

669
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 2: So I got ready to sign and he was like, well,

670
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 2: he said, when you guys going back to Seattle.

671
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 4: I said, what you mean? He's like King Griffy right.

672
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:37,719
Speaker 4: I was waiting a minute.

673
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 2: I wanted to tell tell the ship. I want to

674
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 2: tear it all up. We get a lot of a

675
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 2: lot of ways. I wouldn't expecting you to say right there,

676
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 2: that was Griffy bru and I was crushed. I went

677
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 2: on went on back to my room and laid it down.

678
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 3: You know, they to mistake me plasical Bury. I look

679
00:31:59,000 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 3: like Plassico.

680
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 1: That's kind of good. I mean both braids, that's pretty.

681
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 4: You know it's all black black.

682
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 1: You know, all black people don't look alike. How was

683
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 1: your draft process?

684
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 2: It was, uh, should the draft? My draft process is

685
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 2: pretty good, man. Like, I didn't mean teams you work

686
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 2: out for? I worked out, man. I worked out for

687
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 2: every team that was between ten and seventeen.

688
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 4: I didn't go.

689
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 2: I didn't go to the pre draft stuff because they

690
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 2: didn't want me playing on the team and then not

691
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 2: performing well. So everything we did was private, either individual

692
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 2: or they aligned me with another player so I can

693
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 2: play one on one with them.

694
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 3: Who was all of the players you played? Did you

695
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 3: play against any of the high picks or anything like that?

696
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: I want to say.

697
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 4: I want to say, man, I want to say, might

698
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 4: it might have been at Galscaz.

699
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: What's the boys?

700
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 4: That's a big strong in that pot of pinko?

701
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I think I remember she went to Boston, right, Yeah,

702
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 2: I went to Boston. I can't remember all the guys

703
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 2: I played. I played against, but it was a bunch

704
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 2: of the first round and I remember just I remember

705
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 2: saying to myself, damn, I just got to watch the

706
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 2: boys on television. So it was one of those process

707
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 2: where I just like, you know, I knew if I

708
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 2: got a chance to go, you know, one on one

709
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 2: with him out plan.

710
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 4: You you declared, I'm coming out straight out of high school.

711
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 4: How do you feel in that moment when you shake

712
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 4: David's stern hand.

713
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 2: So I didn't, Honestly, I didn't. I was too nervous

714
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 2: to go. You didn't go to the draft.

715
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 4: Oh you didn't go.

716
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 1: You showed didn't go at the crib.

717
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 4: At the crib how Oh that's even different though, because

718
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 4: at the crib. It's a different vibe. So what was

719
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 4: that like for you? I needed.

720
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 2: I needed to have the people that I needed I

721
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 2: love the most around me at the time, because it

722
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 2: wasn't no guarantee that name was gonna be called.

723
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 4: So I'm like pacing and I'm like.

724
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 2: Bro, I was walking back and for the first and

725
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna tell you, in that ninety six draft,

726
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 2: bro like, I was really solid. And then every week,

727
00:33:55,760 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 2: once this college season was over, another person declared, I'm

728
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 2: looking like, oh lord, and so it was like okay,

729
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:07,479
Speaker 2: it's like okay. I went from like, okay, he can

730
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,439
Speaker 2: be a top ten pick to every week, okay, he's

731
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 2: the top nine pick. I mean top ten and he said,

732
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 2: oh no, he's gonna be between ten and twenty.

733
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: Now.

734
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 2: Then when we got towards the end, Portland said that guaranteed,

735
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 2: if he falls at seventeen, we will take him.

736
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 4: So that's why I was like, okay.

737
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 2: Cool, But it still wasn't no guaranteed because my agents

738
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 2: like just sit still. They had a little phone right

739
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 2: next to him said when it rains, that's cool. Yeah,

740
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 2: that's it.

741
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:32,839
Speaker 1: Now.

742
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 2: At the time, Charlotte had I think two or three

743
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 2: picks in that first in that first round. Wanted to

744
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 2: go there because I wanted to go there because it

745
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,839
Speaker 2: was Carolina, and I was like, damn. When they took Cold,

746
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, they ain't gonna take me. They

747
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 2: ain't gonna take two high school players. And then I

748
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 2: got a call when I think I've got I don't

749
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:56,839
Speaker 2: know who went sixteenth. I think it might have been

750
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 2: I forgot who went sixteenth right before me. I got

751
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 2: the call from my agent said they are about to

752
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,839
Speaker 2: about to draft you. And then I said, okay, cool,

753
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 2: so they draft me. I'm excited everybody. And then I

754
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 2: called like I call the Blazers and they have like

755
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 2: a viewing party and people booing and ship.

756
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 1: What does that feel like?

757
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 2: But hey, listen, it's been the underdog feeling from day one.

758
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 4: Right away.

759
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: Put you in a position like you're hearing that like,

760
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 1: oh okay.

761
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 2: So it's like the like again when you look at

762
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 2: the elements across from the time I was a little

763
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 2: boy from my dad such that event, I go back

764
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 2: to that abandonment ship like you the underdog, like he

765
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 2: didn't want me, I wasn't good enough, he didn't want me.

766
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 2: So I look at my process of everything that I

767
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,359
Speaker 2: went through, that that those ingredients of abandonment jumps back

768
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 2: into the freight and I got to find myself working

769
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:52,839
Speaker 2: extra hard. Yeah, yeah, to prove myself. And so that

770
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 2: was the That was the moment where I was like, okay,

771
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 2: all right, so here we go.

772
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 4: They don't want me here. John Wallace got drafted after me.

773
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 2: We knew the year that he had at Syracuse that

774
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 2: year they wanted They wanted him at the time, so

775
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, then you don't want me here,

776
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 2: let me go figure it out.

777
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:09,919
Speaker 4: And they all just paying itself out.

778
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:11,439
Speaker 2: But it was like the best time because I don't

779
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 2: know how I would emotionally worked in New York.

780
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 3: When you got to to Indiana, did you feel like

781
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 3: you had something to prove to the league and everybody

782
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:23,240
Speaker 3: that you was an All Star? You was good because

783
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 3: like I knew who you was because you know, I

784
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 3: watched all the guys straight out high school, but you

785
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:28,399
Speaker 3: never ever got a chance to play.

786
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: But when we got to the league, when I really

787
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 1: knew who he was.

788
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 3: When we played uh in La, I felt like I

789
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 3: in and out you at half court and I'm like, yeah,

790
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 3: I can passed them up. He ain't even there, and

791
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 3: you caught my ship at the rim and I fell

792
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,399
Speaker 3: on my back and that was the first time ever

793
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 3: in my life that somebody blocked my dunk.

794
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 2: But I think that might have been the same game

795
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 2: because it's funny because I heard I heard about you

796
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 2: and it's like the kid that's always on skates, Like

797
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 2: he dribling on skates. So that's all I ever heard

798
00:36:56,360 --> 00:37:00,320
Speaker 2: is like running around, he handling, he but he on skates. Literally,

799
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, let me see this, and I

800
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:06,280
Speaker 2: think that might be the same game that you actually

801
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 2: don't do.

802
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:11,439
Speaker 4: No, that was I tell exactly where it was at. No,

803
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 4: it was Indiana. That was Inana State. That's what it

804
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:15,720
Speaker 4: was at. I got it on total.

805
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: No, it's an any of the state preseason game.

806
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 4: I know. It was definitely at a bullshit gym. I

807
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 4: thought it was Oakland in Detroit. I thought it was

808
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 4: I didn't think it was Indiana State. I thought it

809
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 4: was Oakland. That's when look this motherfucker one eighty act

810
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 4: like he was motherfucker Thino's coming down like he dunked

811
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 4: that bitch and y'all got tagled up. It looked like

812
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 4: a motherfucking a stick figure throwing somebody up out from

813
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 4: him and he listen. We couldn't forget that dunk for

814
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 4: so long, like he talked about that because he was

815
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 4: him and it was the biggest shit that happened so far.

816
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 3: So we were like, no, what I remember the most though,

817
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 3: But like when we played during the season the Clipper game,

818
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 3: like I said, like, I played in and out you

819
00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 3: a half court and you blocked the shot and then

820
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 3: when you lock my dunk. I really been paying attention

821
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 3: to you and your game every since then.

822
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 1: And the reason I like you so much because.

823
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 3: You you like your your favorite baller's favorite baller, you

824
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, Like, Yeah, we say the Rashid,

825
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,879
Speaker 3: we say the Webbers, we say the Kgs, we say

826
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 3: the Duncan. But I feel like your name don't get

827
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 3: brought up enough because you was on the on the

828
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:28,839
Speaker 3: Eastern Conference and you used to bust everybody as And

829
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 3: the reason that the Indiana Pacers was at that level

830
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 3: because they had a dominant big man in a dominant

831
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:35,800
Speaker 3: big man era.

832
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, hundred percent, and I appreciate that. Man.

833
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 2: I think, Yeah, one of the things that. First of all,

834
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:46,879
Speaker 2: when I came out of Point, I was mad.

835
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was pissed.

836
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:49,879
Speaker 2: Off because if you go back and you look at

837
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:54,399
Speaker 2: it like as supposedly you're supposed to be going up

838
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 2: as you get older, but if you go and you

839
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 2: google like my my numbers in my time, my time

840
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:03,919
Speaker 2: was going down, and I could not understand the life

841
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 2: of me. I'm out playing the people that's playing in

842
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:07,399
Speaker 2: front of me, like my third and four of year,

843
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:08,479
Speaker 2: I knew clear cut.

844
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 1: I was starting.

845
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 2: Every time they put you in the game, you did

846
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 2: and I'm chasing right, I'm pissed off. I said that

847
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 2: they're gonna play me three four minutes. I'm aout to

848
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 2: go out here. I'm about to give my best ship.

849
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 2: So when I got to you know, I got to

850
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,839
Speaker 2: in this crazy story I remember being in. I was

851
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 2: in Oakland for that crazy Dunk contest with Events. So

852
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 2: I remember I was in the convention center and so

853
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 2: I was walking down the hall and Zeke was coming,

854
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 2: Isaiah Thomas was coming, and I said, oh ship, that's

855
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 2: Isaiah Thomas right now.

856
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 4: Watched them all my life.

857
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 1: He stops and grabbed me.

858
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 2: He was like, he said, keep doing what you're doing, said,

859
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 2: people see it. He said keep going and I said, hey, coach,

860
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 2: I appreciate it. I said, Zeke, I appreciate that. Not

861
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,919
Speaker 2: even not even six months later, he gets the job.

862
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 2: I'm coming to get you. The first thing he did

863
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,320
Speaker 2: was trade for me, right, and so he oh me.

864
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 2: He's like I told you, said, your time is coming now,

865
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 2: It's gonna be up to you. And so when I

866
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 2: get there, like I'm already, I'm I'm angry as I'm

867
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 2: angry as fuck because the Ricky scale was three years right,

868
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 2: I had an opportunity to go be a starter with

869
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 2: three other teams. We lose against San Antonio when Sean

870
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 2: Elliott don't fuck heal doesn't test that yeah, like brou

871
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 2: he caught the ball on tipto a shot at three,

872
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 2: and so I said, you know what, I'm gonna go

873
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 2: back because we're that close to winning the championship. I'm young,

874
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 2: I'm nineteen twenty years old. I can go back and

875
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:38,800
Speaker 2: be a starter some other time. Promise me, Mike Delivan

876
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:40,479
Speaker 2: and promised me that I would play at least twenty

877
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 2: four minutes a game. It got worse. So I'm already like, damn,

878
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 2: I just signed a four year deal. They fucking me over.

879
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 2: It's clear cut. So when I get traded and shout

880
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 2: out to Aren Tellham and Sonning those guys for working

881
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:59,320
Speaker 2: that deal because I was about to sit out full season.

882
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. I was about to say out of full

883
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 2: season because at that point I felt like it was intentional.

884
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: Right.

885
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 4: They wasn't even trying to even look at you know.

886
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 2: If you if people take away my first four years,

887
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 2: which I don't want to personally take with my first

888
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 2: four years numbers wise, look at what the rest of

889
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 2: numbers you?

890
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 3: You are man like, Like I said, That's why I

891
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:21,280
Speaker 3: always love talking about you and bringing your name up because,

892
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 3: like you know, this is a proper league. Some some

893
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,280
Speaker 3: casts are more popular than you and all that stuff.

894
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 2: Let me let me let me go a step further though.

895
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 2: I think the problem in Indiana was an acceptance, right,

896
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,399
Speaker 2: So we had this, we had this bravado about ourselves.

897
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 2: Once the brawl happened, everything changed, right. It's like you know,

898
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 2: it's like they they the league at the time was

899
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 2: ready to erase everything no matter what you did, right.

900
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 2: I remember going down to the All Star Game as

901
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:00,760
Speaker 2: a starter, and my picture ain't nowhere to be found period.

902
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 1: Right.

903
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 2: I led the league in blocks, definitely, and don't make

904
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 2: all defensive teams two blocks a game for eleven straight

905
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 2: years that have never made an all defensive.

906
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 1: Team maybe one a defensive Player of the Year.

907
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 2: And so when we talk about like and I don't know,

908
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 2: I'm never going to be a social media guy, been

909
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 2: on there talking about that ship. But like when people

910
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:28,359
Speaker 2: when that comes up and people say, well, they it's

911
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:33,320
Speaker 2: like this acceptance of me, Like through that brawl process,

912
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 2: It's like nobody never wanted to even follow through with

913
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 2: anything else. Right, the lawsuit that I won, Right, none

914
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 2: of that didn't They didn't want to go back to

915
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 2: the good thing what happened. They wanted to put me

916
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 2: in the box on like this is how we perceive

917
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 2: him for the rest of his career. Right, And the

918
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 2: fact of the matter is that I really bruh that

919
00:42:55,880 --> 00:43:00,840
Speaker 2: after that particular situation happened, I stopped loving basketball. I

920
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 2: think about like if you go and you pour into

921
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 2: your wife, you give them everything that you got, Like Indiana,

922
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:13,320
Speaker 2: I gave everything that I had on and off the court,

923
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 2: like putting money into the communities, right, doing a ton

924
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 2: of stuff and.

925
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 4: You watch it do you wrong right in front of

926
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:21,320
Speaker 4: your face.

927
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 1: It cut me.

928
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 4: It cut me so deep, bro, you have no idea.

929
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 1: It makes you want to be rebellious.

930
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 4: I was.

931
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: I was so I was.

932
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 2: I was so hurt because it's like, nobody wants to

933
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 2: see what the truth is. Right now, I'm the out

934
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 2: of control black guy that's beating up white fans, you know,

935
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 2: and you don't even know what the deal was, right,

936
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 2: And so when I looked past that and all the

937
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 2: stuff that was happening, and it's like, nah, no matter

938
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 2: what he's doing, he ain't good enough no more.

939
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 4: Was there a point in that process where you felt like, Okay,

940
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 4: I'm being judged, I'm being looked at like this, But

941
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 4: if I do these things in need, like like you say,

942
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:09,839
Speaker 4: win a lawsuit, this, that, and third that, you think

943
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 4: that something was gonna change, and then you saw it didn't,

944
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 4: and that like made you more like, like, y'all don't

945
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 4: even see nothing.

946
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 2: I don't know, bruh. Honestly, I don't know what I

947
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 2: expected to change. M right, I didn't know that a

948
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:26,399
Speaker 2: situation that happens, you're you're judged for.

949
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,359
Speaker 4: Life, right, right? I was?

950
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: I was judged for life.

951
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 2: I mean, you know it's crazy because you know it's interesting,

952
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 2: you know when you look at these even situations to date,

953
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 2: right where I've been retired for eight years and with that,

954
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 2: with the accomplishments that I've had through the process of

955
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 2: my career, I have not even made the ballot. Like,

956
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:57,799
Speaker 2: let's put aside making the Hall of Fame. I'm the ballot, right,

957
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 2: So it's people that have been on the out and

958
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 2: hell they even got in with two All Stars or

959
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 2: three All Stars.

960
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 4: That has not happened. You know what where when you

961
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 4: just said that, it took my mind to big Dog

962
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:17,439
Speaker 4: Glenn Robinson. Same difference. He held firm and held out

963
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 4: and he's basically one of the reasons that we have

964
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 4: a rookie scale and he got you know, he got

965
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 4: what he got in arguably, whatever different opinions, he should

966
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 4: have been Rookie of the Year over Groundhill. But definitely

967
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 4: he was made an example of. Like we spoke to him,

968
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 4: we had him on the show, and he told like

969
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 4: he didn't get nowhere near the accolades he should have

970
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 4: got because he had a mark on his back from

971
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 4: that moment like you did this and we're gonna make

972
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 4: you see it through and like pretty much like even

973
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 4: now when you look at it, you don't really you

974
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 4: don't hear nothing about they don't champion big, They're like, man,

975
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 4: that motherfucker.

976
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 2: Was a dude, big dog Robinson. He was a monster,

977
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:01,760
Speaker 2: I think. And two like we understood, like I always

978
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 2: understood what that you know, that whole situation was. And again,

979
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,760
Speaker 2: but I knew that it was going to be something

980
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:11,760
Speaker 2: of fallout punishment, right, yeah, everybody's involved.

981
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 4: You gotta it's a level of punishment that has to happen.

982
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 4: But it's not.

983
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 3: But I don't understand, Like I don't understand what what

984
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 3: else you posed to do?

985
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 1: Like what else in that situation?

986
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 3: What else you posed to do but protect yourself and

987
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 3: your family? Like I got people to live for, and

988
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 3: I know what's going on.

989
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 4: I said on a federal.

990
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 2: I said in the federal court, on the federal stand,

991
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 2: and watch a prosecutor asks me, and this is on record,

992
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,360
Speaker 2: would you do what you did if you put in

993
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:47,359
Speaker 2: that same position again? So I said to him, I said, well,

994
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 2: let me ask you this question. If one of those

995
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 2: chairs that by the way, wasn't all shown hit me

996
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 2: in my head and killed me. Would you be the

997
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 2: one that go to my family and tell them that

998
00:46:58,600 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 2: their dad is and a husband is there?

999
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 1: It?

1000
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,760
Speaker 2: I said, if I'm put in that exact same position,

1001
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:06,760
Speaker 2: well I got to protect myself and others.

1002
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 4: I'm doing the same things who I roll here with. Right.

1003
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 2: So people talk about leadership in sports, right, they only

1004
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 2: are in life. They talk about it from perspective of

1005
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 2: of Corporate America offices or in the locker room or

1006
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 2: on the bus, in the hotel. They don't talk about

1007
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 2: leadership when it's compromising of your life.

1008
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 1: Right.

1009
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 4: They don't understand that. They don't understand that, right, they

1010
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 4: don't know that perspective. Right.

1011
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 2: But when you in a situation where people bearing down

1012
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:35,359
Speaker 2: on you and nobody is helping you, you're gonna you're

1013
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 2: gonna crack every single thing. Right, And so by nature,

1014
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:42,320
Speaker 2: you know, with me, I mean, you know, we play together,

1015
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 2: you know how I am. I'm like, I'm a hey,

1016
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 2: let me, hey, how you doing? You know type of guy?

1017
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 2: But I will fuck you up. I will fuck you

1018
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 2: up if you compromise me.

1019
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 1: Right.

1020
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,240
Speaker 4: That's just that's the nature that I That's all.

1021
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 2: I know, right, But nobody wants to be judged off

1022
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 2: of a situation like that, and then the work that

1023
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 2: you continue to put in and you watch it basically

1024
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 2: continue to be.

1025
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 3: We're talking about a situation that you had to defend

1026
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 3: yourself like that. The other around where you starting it

1027
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:14,800
Speaker 3: or you brought the attention to yourself.

1028
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 1: You have to defend yourself. And that's that's the.

1029
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 3: Fucked up part about it. It's like you're penalizing me

1030
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 3: for protecting myself.

1031
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 1: Brouh.

1032
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,399
Speaker 2: And even beyond once you get beyond that, bruh.

1033
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:24,760
Speaker 4: I remember.

1034
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 2: I remember, you know, shout out to my man, Dedrick Phasing,

1035
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 2: who's been my business manager for twenty plus years. I

1036
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 2: remember having this conversation. You know, I stopped. When I

1037
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:43,320
Speaker 2: stopped loving basketball, my body started to deteriorate, right, because

1038
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 2: my mind and my feelings was different.

1039
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 4: Right.

1040
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 2: I was doing it because I was supposed to do

1041
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 2: it right, not because.

1042
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 4: I love to do it anymore.

1043
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 2: I didn't love it anymore because it was just because

1044
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 2: it was just And I watched my body just completely

1045
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 2: just break down on me because I just wasn't locked in.

1046
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:02,800
Speaker 2: So these things that, you know, these are life lessons

1047
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 2: that I get an I now get a chance to

1048
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 2: tell my daughter, my son, and many others now about

1049
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 2: this kind of like these are tools of information that

1050
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 2: we have.

1051
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 3: The mental aspect of it, you got to think of

1052
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 3: it a whole. Another way is like that can mentally

1053
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:23,319
Speaker 3: be draining? Yeah to you, Like you know, people die

1054
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 3: of depression, people die of stress.

1055
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

1056
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 3: That can mentally break your body all the way down.

1057
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 3: And people don't know that.

1058
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 4: And nobody's talking about back then you talk about mental health, saying.

1059
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 1: Weak or you're crazy. If you have that type of feeling.

1060
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 4: Tell me this, like when when Zeke come calling and

1061
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:46,919
Speaker 4: he bring you trade Dale Davis.

1062
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,760
Speaker 1: For you, you.

1063
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 4: Go on to lead the leagues and blocks for the

1064
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 4: first year, you know what I'm saying. You you you

1065
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:54,879
Speaker 4: you see some type of success, Like what is your

1066
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 4: feeling then? Like, like, how are you after that first season?

1067
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 4: You play with eighty out of the eighty one names?

1068
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 4: You balling that like you really like now you're starting

1069
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:05,799
Speaker 4: to see something like what was your feeling after that year?

1070
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 1: Got a coach believing in you?

1071
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:12,280
Speaker 2: What's two things that happened outside of Isaiah and Donnie

1072
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 2: Walsh really believing in me? The first day I got

1073
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:20,240
Speaker 2: to Indianapolis. I was at Champs right on the corner downtown,

1074
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 2: right across from the Conrad right and and I remember

1075
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:27,360
Speaker 2: like going in there and I heard like the lady

1076
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 2: was like they were sitting righting literally right next to me,

1077
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 2: and it was like, man, that's who they traded Dale

1078
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:42,839
Speaker 2: Davis for. Yeah, yeah, him and him and A d

1079
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 2: did that thing. And I understood why they felt. And

1080
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 2: they just came off of finals appearances, you know, just

1081
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 2: a month or so beforehand.

1082
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:50,320
Speaker 4: So I knew it.

1083
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 2: And I was like, Okay, I'm gonna turn this ship

1084
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:54,720
Speaker 2: up on them, but I'm gonna give him a reason.

1085
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:56,919
Speaker 2: And the first time I got a chance to talk

1086
00:50:56,920 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 2: to Reggie and Reggie Miller and he was like, I'm

1087
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 2: expecting this man to be like, fuck that we get.

1088
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 4: We don't traded this guy. We just came off from

1089
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 4: got all these young guys and moving guys.

1090
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 2: And he he was like, yo, he was like, I'm

1091
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:15,880
Speaker 2: gonna let you be whatever you whatever you want to be.

1092
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 2: That's all you need. As long as you work hard

1093
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:22,360
Speaker 2: for it, that's all you needed. I was like, bingo, right, Reggie.

1094
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 2: Reggie meant a lot to me bro in Indie. He

1095
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:27,320
Speaker 2: he meant a lot. So I wanted to sit next

1096
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 2: to him so I can listen to him, I can

1097
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 2: hear him right, And and when he said that, it

1098
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 2: was like, okay, now, just it's about the work.

1099
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 4: Now, just put the work in.

1100
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 1: How was them like, uh, feel like the East Coast?

1101
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 3: You know, you didn't have more the dominant power forwards

1102
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 3: was more in the west. How was the West Coast

1103
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 3: trips when you had to go to Portland and play Shee,

1104
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 3: then go to Sack, then play Wether, then go to

1105
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 3: Minnesota and play KG, then swing on through San Antonio

1106
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 3: and get some of that duncan because these are the

1107
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 3: guys you're not playing.

1108
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 1: You know, you play four games in the.

1109
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:05,399
Speaker 3: East Coast against these guys, these guys that you play

1110
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 3: on West Coast, it's only two games. So these are

1111
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 3: capitalized games there, like.

1112
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna show them that ship. This is it.

1113
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:14,360
Speaker 1: How was them West Coast swings for y'all?

1114
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:16,839
Speaker 3: Well, I used to come through and kick ass y'all,

1115
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 3: used to come through and make y'all market that well.

1116
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 2: What was I think at the time? I think the

1117
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 2: time so we did. So the West had the premier names. Yeah,

1118
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:30,879
Speaker 2: the East still had people like Elton brand right, who

1119
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:33,800
Speaker 2: was would get get busy, will get busy.

1120
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 4: Even with King Keing Martin and those guys in Jersey. Right,

1121
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 4: it was just.

1122
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:43,359
Speaker 2: Every team has forwards that really pushed you because it

1123
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 2: was back then it was like people really didn't like

1124
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 2: each other.

1125
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 4: Yes they did, like teams did not like each other

1126
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 4: real physical.

1127
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:56,799
Speaker 2: Listen bro like and it was like no hugging after

1128
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 2: games people Jerseys know none of that. Like you, like,

1129
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 2: you had to really bring it. And I remember, like

1130
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:06,880
Speaker 2: to go back to your question, I remember it's certain,

1131
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:11,280
Speaker 2: it's certain games I look at and I'd be like, yep,

1132
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 2: this is gonna be a early dinner, get my rest now,

1133
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 2: it's gonna be one of those, right, because I knew,

1134
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 2: you know, dirt was was Dirk probably was probably the

1135
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 2: hardest cover because of its size and his ability to

1136
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:28,840
Speaker 2: shoot off both both feet stop on the on the

1137
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 2: dime pull up right. He released that thing so high

1138
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:34,360
Speaker 2: you couldn't block it. But obviously you know Tim, Tim

1139
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 2: is Tim many, you know straight fundamentals. You know, ticket

1140
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 2: was just more matching his energy, got to match his

1141
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 2: energy all the time. See what it was just strong skilled.

1142
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 2: I mean, it was a beast of a thing brouh

1143
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:51,399
Speaker 2: and and and for me as a youngster at the time,

1144
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 2: it was more about learning from him, competing at the

1145
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 2: highest level, but still learning from my memory was in

1146
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 2: sad and I think I might have had have forty

1147
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 2: and see you have had fifty three, right and so

1148
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 2: and it's like when those things were I'm like, Okay,

1149
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 2: that ain't good enough, right, I gotta I gotta turn

1150
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 2: it up, right because if you get if you get forty,

1151
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 2: give up fifty.

1152
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:19,840
Speaker 1: Three dominating the league.

1153
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 3: At that time, you know that that was the position

1154
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 3: that you've seen somebody every single fucking that every night

1155
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:28,799
Speaker 3: you win, no day, it's all really for you at all.

1156
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 4: You always want to say that, talk about it's the truth, though.

1157
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 3: I mean that was like time like somebody had a

1158
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 3: dominant power forward or somebody point God too, but that

1159
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 3: was that was like you have a night off. You'll

1160
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:49,400
Speaker 3: have a night off in different positions. In that specific

1161
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:51,760
Speaker 3: position at the time, it was a lot of dogs.

1162
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 3: And if you didn't have a dog, you had an

1163
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:57,239
Speaker 3: extra strong motherfucker that's gonna be extra extra.

1164
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 4: Extra. Me like, I don't know, I was guarded by

1165
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 4: I was defended by four as the Brian grants to

1166
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:06,279
Speaker 4: Anthony Masons they had to play three.

1167
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 2: You say that right now, we can't be honest, we

1168
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 2: be real honest, Okay, old enough? What you feel after

1169
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,280
Speaker 2: your first year you get there, you didn't got started,

1170
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 2: eighty eighty one games, you balled, that led the league

1171
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 2: in blocks.

1172
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:25,800
Speaker 1: Next year you come back on court NBA Most Improved?

1173
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 4: How that feel like when anybody waring any award in

1174
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 4: the NBA?

1175
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 1: You done did some ship? Like how did your prize swell?

1176
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 4: And how did you feel about where you were going

1177
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 4: and what you were doing at that point?

1178
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 2: Honestly, I was still angry.

1179
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:42,800
Speaker 1: I was still angry.

1180
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 4: So wait, let me ask you this. So you one

1181
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:47,280
Speaker 4: of the people that you didn't want, no fucking Most Improved.

1182
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 4: You felt like you was already that dude, you should

1183
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:50,319
Speaker 4: be doing some other ship.

1184
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 1: No, I think so?

1185
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 2: So yeah, so you accept the award because you do

1186
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 2: feel like that's a that's accomplishment. I think I never

1187
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:00,319
Speaker 2: blinked at the time because I had went through four

1188
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:03,880
Speaker 2: years a hell right, and I still heard what people

1189
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 2: were saying, he ain't good enough. It wasn't that I

1190
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 2: wasn't good enough. I just didn't get the chance, right,

1191
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 2: And I remember, like, Bro, I still got this thing

1192
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:14,360
Speaker 2: to this very day, and this is what I arrived

1193
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 2: with on my son on is. I got this article

1194
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 2: and my mom framed it for me, and it was

1195
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 2: from a dude named Bob Bass, and he was like

1196
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 2: executive for the Charlotte Hornets. And this man wrote an

1197
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:30,319
Speaker 2: article on me, brother that was so vicious. Brother, I

1198
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:33,360
Speaker 2: never met this man of day in my life that

1199
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:36,400
Speaker 2: he said everything. The team would be stupid to draft me,

1200
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 2: he'd be done in two or three years, whenever the

1201
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 2: Ricky deal is up. You know, he can't hold this

1202
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:44,840
Speaker 2: guy's shoes. He's not this, he's not that. And so

1203
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 2: I always resulted back to that article. So no matter

1204
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 2: what situation I was in, rather you know, Portland not

1205
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:53,799
Speaker 2: playing or whatever it is, I always resulted back to

1206
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:57,319
Speaker 2: that article, like this is what they're saying, right. So

1207
00:56:57,640 --> 00:56:59,359
Speaker 2: I got to know who I know who I am.

1208
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:01,879
Speaker 2: But through my process of knowing who I am, I'm

1209
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 2: gonna go quiet everybody else who's saying that shit, right?

1210
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 2: And then I realized it's funny that we've been talking

1211
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 2: about is. I remember a year I was up for MVP.

1212
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:15,840
Speaker 2: It was an article written about me about lack of leadership,

1213
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, this is what this is.

1214
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 2: They're always gonna find something to say and there's nothing

1215
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 2: that you can do to quiet you know, So that

1216
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 2: angering at it, that that madness that I carried around,

1217
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 2: I let go and I said, look, let me just

1218
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 2: enjoy playing this thing, right, Let me just enjoy playing

1219
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 2: the game. And that's when I started transitioning to my

1220
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 2: mind to stop being mad all the damn time.

1221
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 4: That's what I was about to say, because you're telling

1222
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 4: me about all this anger. When I played with him,

1223
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 4: I could see he was stick you. It ain't not

1224
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 4: seeing he with the shit. You gonna see that, but

1225
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 4: like not something angry, mad ass dude. I remember, I'm

1226
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:52,920
Speaker 4: gonna tell you the story one time when I was like,

1227
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,479
Speaker 4: this was early. This was early, early, early in the league,

1228
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:58,800
Speaker 4: in the year we were with the Head. You had

1229
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:01,280
Speaker 4: been there for like half the season before because you

1230
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 4: got traded for Triggs and Banks in them, so you.

1231
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 1: Was there like halfway.

1232
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 4: But you still like where they everybody was kind of

1233
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 4: still getting to know whatever, don't be on that bullshit.

1234
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 4: SPO was doing whatever, telling us whatever this that the

1235
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 4: third was checking motherfuckers.

1236
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:18,480
Speaker 1: I'm sitting here. I'm brand new. This my first year.

1237
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 4: You know, I done came in through the back door

1238
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 4: getting lost fifty pounds.

1239
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 1: You shut your ass up, your sir, No, So that's

1240
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:24,920
Speaker 1: half sitting here.

1241
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 4: I still got it in me black, but I ain't

1242
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 4: going I ain't sure. I'm on my head on my

1243
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 4: I'm sitting here. Spoke at the boy.

1244
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:35,920
Speaker 1: He's saying whatever, whatever, whatever I'm liking.

1245
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 2: I don't know, middle row or something. Jayo sitting up

1246
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 2: there on the front row. Man Jo voice come out

1247
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 2: of nowhere. The fuck's going on? Man, you're doing a

1248
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 2: lot of nitpicking. And Ship spoke what the fuck? I

1249
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 2: was like, Man, I spoke out the same I don't want.

1250
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 2: I was like, Man, I'm looking. I look at the right,

1251
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 2: I look at you. I'm look at I said Ship

1252
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 2: real like, I look, we get out there, we get

1253
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 2: on the court, so I go to d right, you

1254
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 2: know that's my my bro.

1255
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm like, I'm like sho kind of crazy.

1256
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 4: He's like he was like, man, Bro, like you know

1257
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:16,440
Speaker 4: you right right?

1258
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:21,480
Speaker 1: Like man Bro, that ship out.

1259
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 2: It was it was the way he said it, because

1260
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 2: I felt like the way listen from my seat where

1261
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 2: I was sitting, I felt like you were young boy

1262
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 2: and smoke like he was a little dude or something

1263
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 2: like hold up, bro, like he just lin shout shout

1264
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 2: out their exposed one realist coaches idea. I don't think

1265
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 2: people talk enough about the jobs that he's been doing.

1266
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 1: So he got that.

1267
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 4: I'm glad he got top fifteen all time. He got it,

1268
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 4: Hene got his, he got his credit. Now he top

1269
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 4: fifteen all time. Now they team the light. Yeah you cold,

1270
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 4: now you cold? He from the front of video room. Boy,

1271
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 4: he did it. That's how the video room to the downtime.

1272
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 3: It's that how was it your first All Star game?

1273
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 3: Like the first time you got selected to it? And

1274
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:11,560
Speaker 3: like how did you feel like you feel.

1275
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 2: What was it? It was Philly, Well we was there

1276
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 2: that second year. Yeah, I'm gonna let him talk. I

1277
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 2: swear to god, I got a story for it ahead.

1278
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:19,120
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1279
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 1: It was.

1280
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 4: That was like the moment.

1281
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:22,920
Speaker 2: That was like the moment I was like, damn, like,

1282
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 2: this is what we've been working on, right, We're working

1283
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 2: on We're working on this. This this whole process of

1284
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:31,480
Speaker 2: you know, when I thought about it, thought about going pro,

1285
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:33,920
Speaker 2: like I wanted to be an all star, right, and

1286
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:36,400
Speaker 2: then you get there and it's like you in the

1287
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:40,680
Speaker 2: room with everybody locking room. It's like, well, you're in

1288
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:43,440
Speaker 2: that room with everybody, man. And I remember, you know,

1289
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 2: just sitting there saying, you know part of that. You

1290
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 2: have to you have to come to conclusion that you

1291
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 2: are part of them as well.

1292
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 1: Yeah you're supposed to be. Yeah, you're supposed to be that.

1293
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 2: You're sitting back and you're like, damn, this is the

1294
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 2: best of the best in here, right, and then you

1295
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:01,960
Speaker 2: have to try to create your swagger amongst a bunch

1296
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 2: of swaggers, right.

1297
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:05,280
Speaker 4: And then your first year, you know.

1298
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 2: You got the ogs in there, and they the og

1299
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 2: is always yelling and talking.

1300
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:10,680
Speaker 4: And I remember the year.

1301
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:14,880
Speaker 2: The next year, MJ was coming and I was like

1302
01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 2: the I was like, yo, like like you can hear

1303
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:18,760
Speaker 2: him coming?

1304
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 1: Was he glowing when he walked in?

1305
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 2: Like listen, you hear you hear like you the cameras

1306
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 2: and the noise, you hear him coming down the hall.

1307
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:32,960
Speaker 2: And it's so funny because all all of us in

1308
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:36,000
Speaker 2: there sitting we feel like we big dogs too.

1309
01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:37,440
Speaker 1: The MJ walking there, it's.

1310
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:41,360
Speaker 2: Quiet, get puppy and it's you walk about like this

1311
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:45,120
Speaker 2: Mike makes all the big dogs be like straight up.

1312
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:51,640
Speaker 2: The MJ was just it was that was like the

1313
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:52,720
Speaker 2: real out of all the.

1314
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 1: Top seventy five.

1315
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 4: When when we was watching it on TV, it was

1316
01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:58,320
Speaker 4: like then you found out nobody knew Mike was coming.

1317
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:00,080
Speaker 4: It was like when Mike slid through, it was like

1318
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:02,400
Speaker 4: the motherfucker Mike dropped, like this is top, this is

1319
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:03,720
Speaker 4: the back everybody.

1320
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:07,440
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, Mike, Mike, like, get the fuck out

1321
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:08,720
Speaker 1: of here. That's crazy.

1322
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:11,680
Speaker 2: Mike is different, bro, like it it's Let me give

1323
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:13,720
Speaker 2: you this story from when we was in Philly.

1324
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:16,920
Speaker 4: You remember this, This was the I can't explain it.

1325
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:19,040
Speaker 4: I don't know how, Like, who was that that even

1326
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:20,920
Speaker 4: said it to us? I think it was was it Steve?

1327
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 4: I don't know who it was, Maybe because I don't know.

1328
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 4: We get that this year, right we in the Rookie

1329
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 4: Game were not all stars, but we on the.

1330
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:34,040
Speaker 2: Floor with everybody shack right here, Ai, Steve Francis Contina.

1331
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 4: We now we we nineteen twenty.

1332
01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:41,720
Speaker 1: You know what we doing. We we all.

1333
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:42,040
Speaker 4: Know the place.

1334
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:43,720
Speaker 1: We got activity in and out.

1335
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:45,919
Speaker 2: So at some point we didn't got it so lit

1336
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 2: that the old g started to come to the little

1337
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 2: area right there.

1338
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:50,400
Speaker 1: We chilling.

1339
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 4: Remember everybody went and got Popeye is one of the

1340
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:54,600
Speaker 4: homies when it got Hello pop We chilling, bro.

1341
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:56,240
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna tell you the truth.

1342
01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:58,080
Speaker 4: This is a sidebar, but I swear to got this

1343
01:02:58,120 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 4: when I knew that you was about to be one

1344
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:04,400
Speaker 4: of them dudes were chilling with Shaq Uh Chuck and

1345
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:06,640
Speaker 4: a couple of the dudes and Shaq got his cousin

1346
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:08,240
Speaker 4: in them with us, right so we just you know,

1347
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 4: we're talking real shit. That was the first time that

1348
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:16,720
Speaker 4: they was like yeah, nah, that old Neil boy. He

1349
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 4: trying to come forward.

1350
01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:20,280
Speaker 2: Like you know what I'm saying, Like this shocks people,

1351
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 2: so like this is the big done do. I was

1352
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 2: like when he said that was oh shit, like okay, okay,

1353
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 2: like the putting like they we don't do this back then,

1354
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:30,400
Speaker 2: Like it wasn't shock saying it.

1355
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:32,880
Speaker 1: But it's just as good your right hand man, this

1356
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:33,439
Speaker 1: is what I'm.

1357
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:35,920
Speaker 4: Saying talking that mean did he know?

1358
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:38,600
Speaker 2: And he'll wear and he watching for you so for

1359
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:40,800
Speaker 2: us that real Remember we walked away from there like

1360
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:43,880
Speaker 2: oh shit, like you heard him talk about, Like, bro,

1361
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 2: that was a real thing in Philly, Like when you

1362
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:48,680
Speaker 2: was just like you had leg legan blocks one year,

1363
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:49,720
Speaker 2: then you got multipoof.

1364
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:52,600
Speaker 1: Now you now you kind of arrived to arrive and now.

1365
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:55,520
Speaker 2: You it ain't fourteen them that's a dub and ten

1366
01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:58,600
Speaker 2: point five. It was like the old Neil boy, like

1367
01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:00,640
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying besides and that, like but yeah,

1368
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:03,120
Speaker 2: but like he he started like making motherfucker look bro,

1369
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:06,960
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, that's when I swear to god. That

1370
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:08,640
Speaker 2: just stood out to me when you said that was

1371
01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 2: the first one because I remember us being in Philly

1372
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:13,480
Speaker 2: and I remember we running around like a chicken on

1373
01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:14,600
Speaker 2: our head just trying.

1374
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:17,000
Speaker 4: To be around any and everybody we could. And I

1375
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:19,000
Speaker 4: can't explain to you for the word it was no

1376
01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:21,840
Speaker 4: other rookie fuckomore guy. We was on the floor with them, yea.

1377
01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:23,720
Speaker 4: I will never forget that.

1378
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:25,920
Speaker 2: And then they really like rocked with us, like we

1379
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:28,640
Speaker 2: got to chill with them in the litk general are.

1380
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:32,600
Speaker 2: I was like here, you know too, Like it's like

1381
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 2: when you start seeing entertaining show up on you know,

1382
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:37,440
Speaker 2: I remember seeing whole on on the concert with the

1383
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:38,520
Speaker 2: number seven jersey.

1384
01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:40,280
Speaker 4: You know that was that was a moment.

1385
01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:43,880
Speaker 3: That was a moment Bro, that's a hard life to

1386
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:46,960
Speaker 3: talk about that because we had a little experience with that.

1387
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:52,320
Speaker 4: When you know, then you look up L. O. D.

1388
01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:55,080
Speaker 2: Miles and you know, like y'all had a movie. Y'all

1389
01:04:55,080 --> 01:04:57,640
Speaker 2: had a crazy movement though it happened like that. You

1390
01:04:57,760 --> 01:04:59,680
Speaker 2: had a crazy movement, bro, and it was I mean

1391
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:01,520
Speaker 2: it was something that everybody recognized.

1392
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:04,040
Speaker 4: I mean y'all were young. Y'all was like the young gunners.

1393
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:06,120
Speaker 2: That was the thing that was our that was our

1394
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:07,720
Speaker 2: calling card.

1395
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:09,840
Speaker 1: We were.

1396
01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:12,320
Speaker 4: We were cool though, like because like the same thing

1397
01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:15,480
Speaker 4: I'm saying, like we was those dudes that we was

1398
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:18,360
Speaker 4: gonna run up with all the smoke, running up the chimney,

1399
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:20,560
Speaker 4: trying to fuck y'all up. But like at the same time,

1400
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:24,360
Speaker 4: we was like yo yo, feel like we were so

1401
01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:26,280
Speaker 4: young and we were still like that, like when we

1402
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:28,320
Speaker 4: got on the court, were trying to go crazy. But

1403
01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:30,480
Speaker 4: like I think that's really why, like cause you know,

1404
01:05:30,560 --> 01:05:32,800
Speaker 4: Shock embraces like he took us to his crib.

1405
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:34,040
Speaker 1: We spent in New Year's.

1406
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:36,120
Speaker 2: Kicking it like like all of the real real O

1407
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:36,920
Speaker 2: gz GP.

1408
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:39,880
Speaker 4: You know, they really embrace its. Like when we saw him,

1409
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:41,440
Speaker 4: like we.

1410
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:44,080
Speaker 2: Was like like we was in all like when we

1411
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:46,160
Speaker 2: got to Zoe's crib, we go to zoe summer group,

1412
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:48,040
Speaker 2: like we about to stay a week at Zoe's house.

1413
01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:52,120
Speaker 2: Bro liked listen a sprike machine in the backyard with no,

1414
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:55,480
Speaker 2: you don't gotta pay no money, bro.

1415
01:05:55,560 --> 01:06:00,600
Speaker 4: We were just sitting like that's up. That's up. Bro.

1416
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:03,360
Speaker 1: He on the cover on the right, and we getting

1417
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:05,720
Speaker 1: like it was crazy.

1418
01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:08,440
Speaker 2: But the thing was when when it happened for y'all,

1419
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:12,440
Speaker 2: the league wasn't an acceptance of young.

1420
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:15,280
Speaker 4: We were the only team.

1421
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:17,800
Speaker 2: You're the only team like this And I'm gonna tell

1422
01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:20,560
Speaker 2: you off the top because I remember when it was me,

1423
01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:24,000
Speaker 2: our Herrington and Jonathan Bender.

1424
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:25,880
Speaker 1: You know, we was like we was like.

1425
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:29,480
Speaker 2: Yo, like you know like this this that was our plan.

1426
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 2: We just obviously it didn't happen, you know, up, it didn't.

1427
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:37,880
Speaker 2: It didn't really happen. But you guys were what many

1428
01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:42,800
Speaker 2: of us as youngsters will want to be, especially right away,

1429
01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:45,040
Speaker 2: right you know that that league is about putting. At

1430
01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:48,840
Speaker 2: the time, it was about putting and waiting and Wayne

1431
01:06:49,560 --> 01:06:58,920
Speaker 2: and then y'all was like, nah, I never looked at

1432
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:02,680
Speaker 2: straight out of high school cats as in that term.

1433
01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:05,160
Speaker 2: You said, like, nah, it's always looked at straight out

1434
01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:09,480
Speaker 2: of high schools at like a different fraternity. How special

1435
01:07:10,120 --> 01:07:11,920
Speaker 2: do you feel to be a part of that group

1436
01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:15,320
Speaker 2: of the guys that actually came out and had the success,

1437
01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:17,080
Speaker 2: because you know, when they were saying it back in

1438
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:18,720
Speaker 2: our time, they were saying like, oh, this.

1439
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:19,640
Speaker 1: Shit ain't gonna work.

1440
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:24,200
Speaker 3: Guys gonna lose their life and in their careers and

1441
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:27,640
Speaker 3: all this this bullshit for being a kid going straight

1442
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:30,480
Speaker 3: out of high school. But when you see it now

1443
01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:35,200
Speaker 3: having guys like you and KG or Mari Stodomar, Kobe Lebron,

1444
01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:38,520
Speaker 3: all these guys with so much successful being high school guys,

1445
01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:40,520
Speaker 3: do it make you even more proud of to even

1446
01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:42,200
Speaker 3: be a part of that group too?

1447
01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:43,560
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1448
01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:45,680
Speaker 2: I think I think all all of us, man, I

1449
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:49,320
Speaker 2: think you know, yeah, I think even you know, when

1450
01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 2: I look at you, I look at a kid, that

1451
01:07:51,560 --> 01:07:54,440
Speaker 2: it was something that we hadn't seen before, right, all

1452
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:57,320
Speaker 2: of us bring different attributes to the table, but it

1453
01:07:57,360 --> 01:08:00,560
Speaker 2: was like the super fast, super athletics, super skill, you know, guy,

1454
01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:03,640
Speaker 2: that just just crazy, right, And I think it sets

1455
01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:05,920
Speaker 2: the table for other people to try to become the

1456
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:11,000
Speaker 2: next Darious Mouths, right, Like this is the you know,

1457
01:08:11,120 --> 01:08:17,160
Speaker 2: like anybody that's making that jump, it's special, right, because

1458
01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:20,479
Speaker 2: it's such a massive jump to make. If you go

1459
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:25,000
Speaker 2: to college, it's a massive jump, right, And so I

1460
01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:27,479
Speaker 2: do look at it as a special fraternity because it's

1461
01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:30,760
Speaker 2: not that many of us. So even when they was

1462
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:33,160
Speaker 2: talking about you know, I remember sitting in lockhom in

1463
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:35,559
Speaker 2: Houston because it's a Houston All Star game, they were

1464
01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:37,800
Speaker 2: talking about a new age limit is about to be

1465
01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:41,000
Speaker 2: brought into place. So I'm looking at it, I'm like, wait,

1466
01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:44,920
Speaker 2: it's like twenty players in this All Star game and

1467
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:48,720
Speaker 2: nine of us are out of high school, right, and

1468
01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:53,000
Speaker 2: with other players hav an incredible success. So it never

1469
01:08:53,120 --> 01:08:56,519
Speaker 2: made sense to start to even stop it because it

1470
01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:59,760
Speaker 2: was more people that it wasn't having success in the

1471
01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:02,240
Speaker 2: trainransition that that went to college.

1472
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:07,599
Speaker 4: The sense lies, and we can't have twenty Lebron's till

1473
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:09,639
Speaker 4: when they walk out this bitch, they could buy any

1474
01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:10,640
Speaker 4: one of these teamams.

1475
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:13,920
Speaker 2: So you and I was just about to say that

1476
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:17,519
Speaker 2: like that they're getting, but you think it, think about

1477
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:19,880
Speaker 2: think about the amount of years that the high school

1478
01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:20,400
Speaker 2: players play.

1479
01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:21,160
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying.

1480
01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:24,960
Speaker 2: They got way more longev way right.

1481
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:26,680
Speaker 1: And so when you talk about well you know that.

1482
01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:30,479
Speaker 2: You know, they used one situation the Bronco buy.

1483
01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:33,320
Speaker 4: Team now while he's still playing, but they used one

1484
01:09:33,360 --> 01:09:34,720
Speaker 4: situation of.

1485
01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:35,960
Speaker 1: A kid out of New York.

1486
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:39,559
Speaker 2: I ain't gonna say the name, but they used him

1487
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:41,240
Speaker 2: and it was like, oh, he's the calling card now

1488
01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:43,680
Speaker 2: for high school players. Oh he went pro, but he

1489
01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:46,080
Speaker 2: ain't get drafted and he's falling hard, went to jail.

1490
01:09:46,439 --> 01:09:49,000
Speaker 2: How many damn people that come out of college that

1491
01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:51,880
Speaker 2: do the exact same thing you're right at some of

1492
01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:55,240
Speaker 2: our most premier institutions.

1493
01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:58,760
Speaker 4: My my argument, my argument is always and always will

1494
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:01,320
Speaker 4: be that if y'all going to what is it, golfers

1495
01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:04,800
Speaker 4: or tennis players to go and turn pro at fourteen fifteen, like,

1496
01:10:04,920 --> 01:10:06,960
Speaker 4: I don't want to hear it. I don't want to

1497
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:07,240
Speaker 4: hear it.

1498
01:10:07,320 --> 01:10:10,240
Speaker 3: When you hear some of the homeboys talk about college

1499
01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:13,360
Speaker 3: and talk about the college party, the college experience, did

1500
01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:15,479
Speaker 3: you ever be like man, I wish I would kind

1501
01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:16,880
Speaker 3: of experienced that.

1502
01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:22,840
Speaker 4: I lived at my uh junior senior year. Okay, so

1503
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:23,439
Speaker 4: I was.

1504
01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:26,120
Speaker 2: I was able to go through go to some of

1505
01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:28,840
Speaker 2: the some of the college parties at university should have

1506
01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:29,559
Speaker 2: been you should have been.

1507
01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:32,120
Speaker 1: Deep hood I.

1508
01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:36,880
Speaker 4: Was should have been Louis College is nothing. It was

1509
01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:37,760
Speaker 4: like forty minutes from you.

1510
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:39,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that was right next to the hood, and

1511
01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:41,680
Speaker 3: that that wasn't the hood that liked.

1512
01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:43,680
Speaker 4: I'm just saying forty minutes. You know, you should have

1513
01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:46,800
Speaker 4: want those big jay titum. You should have went up

1514
01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:47,600
Speaker 4: there with them and kicked it.

1515
01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:50,200
Speaker 1: That's out my territory. I can't be over there, you know.

1516
01:10:50,240 --> 01:10:50,719
Speaker 4: It's funny.

1517
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:53,400
Speaker 2: The crazy thing was at the time, what really made

1518
01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:55,559
Speaker 2: me was like, wait a minute. I remember being in

1519
01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:57,360
Speaker 2: the dorms with some of the players from U versus

1520
01:10:57,400 --> 01:11:01,280
Speaker 2: South Carolina, and they were like scrambling together to get

1521
01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:06,040
Speaker 2: money to buy whoppers from Burger King and like Jones

1522
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:10,000
Speaker 2: and Jungle Juices, and I was like, wait, I said,

1523
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:11,720
Speaker 2: so what so they don't have nothing else for y'all

1524
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:14,080
Speaker 2: to eat? Cafeteria was closing a certain time, you know,

1525
01:11:14,160 --> 01:11:15,639
Speaker 2: during the day. I was like, oh, you know what,

1526
01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:17,439
Speaker 2: you wouldn't have been under that meal planning. You went

1527
01:11:17,479 --> 01:11:19,800
Speaker 2: to school, though, you would have been. That ain't the

1528
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:22,720
Speaker 2: place for me. Bro I watched what they were going through.

1529
01:11:22,760 --> 01:11:24,760
Speaker 2: I was like, nah, that, And again, every situation is

1530
01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:27,360
Speaker 2: its own situation, so I get that I just think

1531
01:11:27,400 --> 01:11:31,200
Speaker 2: from from a constitutional standpoint, high school to the pro

1532
01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:32,400
Speaker 2: should be a should be a thing.

1533
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:36,320
Speaker 4: It should stay a thing. Right listen, man, listen, I've

1534
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:39,040
Speaker 4: always agreed with that. I just felt like maybe y'all

1535
01:11:39,080 --> 01:11:41,719
Speaker 4: need to you know, you know, tweak who who's doing

1536
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:44,120
Speaker 4: the judging of talent and who's picking and you know

1537
01:11:44,200 --> 01:11:45,920
Speaker 4: y'all could make rights and wrongs there.

1538
01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:47,320
Speaker 1: But but you here's the thing.

1539
01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:48,320
Speaker 4: When is it.

1540
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:50,559
Speaker 2: When is the teams, like every other business in the

1541
01:11:50,680 --> 01:11:52,760
Speaker 2: in the country, in the world, are gon be held

1542
01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:54,559
Speaker 2: accountable for their decision making.

1543
01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:57,559
Speaker 1: That's my points that's the other kind instead of the person.

1544
01:11:57,680 --> 01:12:01,879
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, you penializing the whole community of players because

1545
01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:05,080
Speaker 2: you got front office people that aren't doing their homework.

1546
01:12:05,160 --> 01:12:06,360
Speaker 4: But this is the biggest part.

1547
01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:09,840
Speaker 2: Like I say, whenever I say statements statements like this,

1548
01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:11,759
Speaker 2: I say some, not all.

1549
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:18,599
Speaker 4: But I've seen some people like they don't right their

1550
01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:21,200
Speaker 4: wrongs because they still want to be right. They don't

1551
01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:23,280
Speaker 4: want to take the loss for fucking up. Like you

1552
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:26,400
Speaker 4: admit it. You like you fucked up, you picked the

1553
01:12:26,439 --> 01:12:29,040
Speaker 4: wrong person, you picked it, Like now you're gonna try

1554
01:12:29,080 --> 01:12:31,639
Speaker 4: and force the coach and everybody else to play your

1555
01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:34,000
Speaker 4: wrong pick to get him a shot to do anything

1556
01:12:34,040 --> 01:12:36,519
Speaker 4: and look anything like they something, because you don't want

1557
01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:37,360
Speaker 4: to be fucked up.

1558
01:12:38,120 --> 01:12:41,120
Speaker 2: Even even today, I look at rosters, bruh, and it's uh.

1559
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:44,040
Speaker 2: They got like four five point guards on the roster

1560
01:12:46,200 --> 01:12:48,400
Speaker 2: on the twelve thirteen min ros got four or five

1561
01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:50,400
Speaker 2: points point And then you look at the record. I

1562
01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:52,280
Speaker 2: ain't gonna call no teams out, but you look at

1563
01:12:52,280 --> 01:12:54,519
Speaker 2: the record and you wonder why they at the bottom

1564
01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:56,280
Speaker 2: of the of the standings because how.

1565
01:12:56,160 --> 01:13:00,840
Speaker 3: You draft, it's simple. You still be in a little

1566
01:13:00,840 --> 01:13:03,800
Speaker 3: bit of a journey man. What made you keep on going.

1567
01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:07,240
Speaker 2: I'm gonna listen, I'm gonna be honest, So I'm gonna go.

1568
01:13:07,240 --> 01:13:09,240
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go past I'm gonna go start with Miami.

1569
01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:10,360
Speaker 4: Now.

1570
01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:13,200
Speaker 2: They wanted me to re sign like I knew Lebron

1571
01:13:13,240 --> 01:13:16,880
Speaker 2: and was coming. I knew Bron was coming. And this

1572
01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:19,000
Speaker 2: is the realest thing I can tell y'all. You know

1573
01:13:19,040 --> 01:13:22,680
Speaker 2: they got that eight percent body fat. That for a

1574
01:13:22,840 --> 01:13:26,880
Speaker 2: big guy, that's heavy lifting. I remember going into I

1575
01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:30,960
Speaker 2: remember going into the pantries at night looking at the

1576
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:35,879
Speaker 2: oreos Orioles looking at me right, and I could bruh,

1577
01:13:36,120 --> 01:13:39,920
Speaker 2: I am I am in a full battle daily on

1578
01:13:39,920 --> 01:13:42,920
Speaker 2: what I ate. And I was like, brou I'm thirty,

1579
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:44,960
Speaker 2: I'm thirty plus years. Oh, I can't go through this.

1580
01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:47,519
Speaker 4: Let me give you an example. You remember I told

1581
01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:56,400
Speaker 4: you this. We played the one season together right together. Look,

1582
01:13:56,439 --> 01:13:58,040
Speaker 4: me and d right, we flew down there on our

1583
01:13:58,080 --> 01:14:00,759
Speaker 4: own there right, you know this righte know? We feel

1584
01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:03,479
Speaker 4: like Look he didn't, he didn't flew pipe he think.

1585
01:14:06,120 --> 01:14:09,080
Speaker 2: Clarif he was like, oh, I'm about to go, y'all,

1586
01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:12,559
Speaker 2: I was really, of course, we'll come.

1587
01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:13,920
Speaker 1: Don't say no more.

1588
01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:17,479
Speaker 2: We're flying private, right, so look, gee, this was the

1589
01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:18,439
Speaker 2: coldest part though.

1590
01:14:18,520 --> 01:14:20,519
Speaker 4: This is my only season with the with the heat.

1591
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:22,799
Speaker 4: And I told you I ain't never experienced this before.

1592
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:27,519
Speaker 1: We partying. We three four days all start break.

1593
01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:29,840
Speaker 2: We ain't thinking about who we out of We out

1594
01:14:29,880 --> 01:14:31,560
Speaker 2: of town, we out of the country.

1595
01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:35,400
Speaker 4: Passports status not far, but we out of the country. Brouh,

1596
01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:39,960
Speaker 4: it's us three. We literally with each other out to dinner,

1597
01:14:40,160 --> 01:14:43,320
Speaker 4: certain ship. We look at each other life, oh oh

1598
01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:47,400
Speaker 4: the word what you want? Ain't no desserts happening? Bro

1599
01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:49,719
Speaker 4: We count beverages and everything.

1600
01:14:50,439 --> 01:14:51,439
Speaker 1: Then remember we.

1601
01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:52,519
Speaker 2: Got back about this.

1602
01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:55,519
Speaker 4: We get back. We fly private back right, all of us.

1603
01:14:55,720 --> 01:14:58,920
Speaker 4: Everybody got that girl? We get back all three of us.

1604
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:02,000
Speaker 4: Y'all go here. We be lying to the heat and

1605
01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:04,320
Speaker 4: renda to go sit in the sauna before we even

1606
01:15:04,360 --> 01:15:04,960
Speaker 4: get the prize.

1607
01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:07,880
Speaker 1: What we did, bro, Like y'all didn't go home or nothing? Bro?

1608
01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:10,679
Speaker 4: This is how sincere it was with the body fat

1609
01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:14,080
Speaker 4: like you. You could be out of town on vacation.

1610
01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:16,880
Speaker 4: You gonna count your drinks. You count everything, all right, Bro?

1611
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:18,920
Speaker 4: We didn't we kind of like like then you starting

1612
01:15:18,920 --> 01:15:21,080
Speaker 4: to do something like I ain't fuck that Dakory, that's

1613
01:15:21,120 --> 01:15:24,280
Speaker 4: too much sugar. Like we really like the I don't.

1614
01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:29,280
Speaker 2: Know you asking dietary questions vacation, bro, you think if

1615
01:15:29,320 --> 01:15:30,599
Speaker 2: I drink this is gonna put something.

1616
01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:33,120
Speaker 4: That was the only time in my career that I

1617
01:15:33,160 --> 01:15:35,320
Speaker 4: had a I had a real, like a high tech

1618
01:15:35,400 --> 01:15:38,080
Speaker 4: weight skill in my bathroom because I wouldn't. You don't

1619
01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:40,120
Speaker 4: want to show up with a surprise. You want to

1620
01:15:40,160 --> 01:15:42,000
Speaker 4: know what's going on before you even get that, so

1621
01:15:42,040 --> 01:15:44,120
Speaker 4: you could walk up and step on that bitch with confidence,

1622
01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:46,120
Speaker 4: like or if you gotta pull.

1623
01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:48,840
Speaker 1: A fast when you know that you gotta step on that.

1624
01:15:49,240 --> 01:15:52,639
Speaker 2: I don't want but they clipping your side. They got

1625
01:15:52,640 --> 01:15:56,639
Speaker 2: the little joints you gotta side. So I was like, brother,

1626
01:15:56,840 --> 01:15:58,640
Speaker 2: I'm too old to be having a debate. Brother, I

1627
01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:00,559
Speaker 2: do want to have an oreo or not right.

1628
01:16:00,479 --> 01:16:02,479
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't do that ship. So that's why

1629
01:16:02,479 --> 01:16:03,160
Speaker 1: I left Miami.

1630
01:16:03,200 --> 01:16:05,040
Speaker 2: Miami would have probably been a good situation for me,

1631
01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:08,160
Speaker 2: especially at that point. Boston was a situation where I

1632
01:16:08,160 --> 01:16:11,400
Speaker 2: didn't even know that was probably the two worst years

1633
01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:15,400
Speaker 2: of my life. Great city, great fan base. Body was

1634
01:16:15,479 --> 01:16:21,000
Speaker 2: just not not old enough, right. And so I ultimately

1635
01:16:21,160 --> 01:16:23,200
Speaker 2: end up going there because it was just Gud's will.

1636
01:16:23,240 --> 01:16:25,000
Speaker 2: Because if I don't go there and I don't find

1637
01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:28,479
Speaker 2: the leak in my daughter's hard right. And so if

1638
01:16:28,520 --> 01:16:31,160
Speaker 2: you ask the question why I continue to move forward,

1639
01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:35,240
Speaker 2: and a lot of it wasn't because I honestly did

1640
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:36,839
Speaker 2: not love playing basketball no more.

1641
01:16:38,200 --> 01:16:38,599
Speaker 4: My daughter.

1642
01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:41,559
Speaker 2: I remember coming home, uh in Boston, and so we

1643
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:43,559
Speaker 2: had like this little setuphere. I had the Norman tax

1644
01:16:43,640 --> 01:16:46,600
Speaker 2: on and then then the game ready right there, and

1645
01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:48,400
Speaker 2: I go through my process every day just to be

1646
01:16:49,080 --> 01:16:50,000
Speaker 2: able to go and do it.

1647
01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:50,479
Speaker 4: The next day.

1648
01:16:50,840 --> 01:16:52,120
Speaker 1: They don't know that's a full time.

1649
01:16:53,680 --> 01:16:54,439
Speaker 4: Trying to keep that need.

1650
01:16:54,680 --> 01:16:57,160
Speaker 1: I got a child on you at all times take

1651
01:16:57,200 --> 01:16:58,160
Speaker 1: care of a grime.

1652
01:16:58,640 --> 01:17:00,720
Speaker 2: And so at the time, you know, I I was

1653
01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:04,280
Speaker 2: wearing hats and stuff and still and and my daughter

1654
01:17:04,360 --> 01:17:07,040
Speaker 2: came and she put her arm around me on the chair.

1655
01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:10,120
Speaker 2: She like that, won't you just quit? And I said,

1656
01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:13,280
Speaker 2: I said, sweetheart, that's not what life is about. We

1657
01:17:13,360 --> 01:17:15,519
Speaker 2: got to keep pushing forward even when we don't feel well.

1658
01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:19,360
Speaker 2: I knew she was watching right, and so not knowing

1659
01:17:19,400 --> 01:17:23,840
Speaker 2: through that process that I was that those conversations when

1660
01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:25,400
Speaker 2: she would come and sit next to me every day

1661
01:17:25,439 --> 01:17:28,240
Speaker 2: that I'm sitting now, I'm coming home, didn't know that

1662
01:17:28,280 --> 01:17:28,839
Speaker 2: she's gonna.

1663
01:17:28,640 --> 01:17:30,479
Speaker 4: Have to have surgery. So this is this is like.

1664
01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:34,559
Speaker 2: Maybe a month or two later, I get a call

1665
01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:36,439
Speaker 2: from my wife saying, hey, look, you know we found

1666
01:17:36,439 --> 01:17:38,840
Speaker 2: something Asia's tests. She's gonna have to have, you know,

1667
01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:42,439
Speaker 2: open heart surgery. And I'm shocked, right, And so I

1668
01:17:42,439 --> 01:17:45,920
Speaker 2: remember fast forward. We had the surgery, and I remember

1669
01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:48,000
Speaker 2: I remember, you know, walking in the room and seeing

1670
01:17:48,040 --> 01:17:50,439
Speaker 2: all of these tubes and stuff all over her, and

1671
01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:52,919
Speaker 2: I just I remember walking in all the air literally

1672
01:17:53,160 --> 01:17:56,080
Speaker 2: left my body. I couldn't breathe, like tears come to

1673
01:17:56,080 --> 01:17:58,479
Speaker 2: my eye. I had to walk back out. I come

1674
01:17:58,520 --> 01:18:00,519
Speaker 2: back in, and I'm just looking at her, like just

1675
01:18:00,880 --> 01:18:02,880
Speaker 2: like face a little swollen from the you know, from

1676
01:18:03,479 --> 01:18:06,080
Speaker 2: all the medicine and stuff. I turn around, I said, doctor,

1677
01:18:06,120 --> 01:18:08,800
Speaker 2: so tell me when it how long would she have

1678
01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:13,840
Speaker 2: to be like this? And he turned around. He said, hey,

1679
01:18:13,880 --> 01:18:17,479
Speaker 2: so she can be here as short does she want,

1680
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:20,200
Speaker 2: or as long as she need to be. And I said, okay,

1681
01:18:20,240 --> 01:18:24,120
Speaker 2: so is that week's moms? She said, sure, does she want?

1682
01:18:25,240 --> 01:18:26,559
Speaker 2: As long as she need to be. She has to

1683
01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:27,800
Speaker 2: be able to get up and walk around.

1684
01:18:28,479 --> 01:18:28,799
Speaker 4: Bruh.

1685
01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:30,679
Speaker 2: I go and I go in and I sit next

1686
01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:32,840
Speaker 2: to her bed. After that conversaid this is true, Stor.

1687
01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:36,200
Speaker 2: My wife actually hasn't has a picture of it. And

1688
01:18:36,280 --> 01:18:39,800
Speaker 2: I just started. Her eyes closed and I've been down

1689
01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:42,080
Speaker 2: next to her, and I said, Asia, I said, the

1690
01:18:42,120 --> 01:18:44,760
Speaker 2: doctor said that you're gonna be that, You're gonna be.

1691
01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:48,000
Speaker 2: Everything went great, You're gonna be fine. You're gonna get

1692
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:49,360
Speaker 2: out of here as soon as you able to get

1693
01:18:49,439 --> 01:18:54,120
Speaker 2: up out of this bed. Her eyes popped open. Right, so,

1694
01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:58,360
Speaker 2: not even not even thirteen hours after her her surgery

1695
01:18:58,400 --> 01:19:01,040
Speaker 2: is done, She's like, so I'm sitting in the room.

1696
01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:02,719
Speaker 2: She said, Dad, I need to get up and walk around.

1697
01:19:04,439 --> 01:19:05,960
Speaker 2: I said, yeah, there's no rush. She's like, no, I

1698
01:19:05,960 --> 01:19:07,479
Speaker 2: need to get up and walk around. So she gets up,

1699
01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:10,400
Speaker 2: so she can't stand straight up because her chest is

1700
01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:14,280
Speaker 2: stabled together, right, So she's walking, you know, kind of

1701
01:19:14,320 --> 01:19:17,160
Speaker 2: bent over and crying at the same time, like whoa.

1702
01:19:18,160 --> 01:19:20,800
Speaker 2: I said, all right, that's just chill out. She's like, no, Dad,

1703
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:24,240
Speaker 2: I can't quit. So all the days that she's sitting

1704
01:19:24,280 --> 01:19:28,400
Speaker 2: next to me and watched me go through the issues

1705
01:19:28,439 --> 01:19:33,439
Speaker 2: with my knee and everything else, it fed into her process, right,

1706
01:19:33,439 --> 01:19:35,320
Speaker 2: And so when I got that, I was like, Okay,

1707
01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:39,840
Speaker 2: I want to walk out of this league. I want

1708
01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:42,040
Speaker 2: to walk out this league on my own two feet.

1709
01:19:42,840 --> 01:19:46,040
Speaker 2: I left from Boston to go to Phoenix. So Phoenix

1710
01:19:46,080 --> 01:19:48,639
Speaker 2: didn't have any admirations at the time. They were young

1711
01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:51,320
Speaker 2: and weren't trying to win, and I just did the

1712
01:19:51,400 --> 01:19:54,240
Speaker 2: Orthogon treatment. Kobe had reached out to me and told

1713
01:19:54,240 --> 01:19:57,080
Speaker 2: me about it. We went to Europe and did whatever

1714
01:19:57,080 --> 01:20:00,240
Speaker 2: it was that they did with my knee, and then

1715
01:20:00,280 --> 01:20:02,760
Speaker 2: I came back and I wanted to test that, so

1716
01:20:03,200 --> 01:20:05,120
Speaker 2: I didn't really I played that year. I didn't really

1717
01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:07,920
Speaker 2: plan on playing no more after that year. Bob Myers

1718
01:20:07,960 --> 01:20:10,880
Speaker 2: who was my agent, you know, before he took that job,

1719
01:20:11,680 --> 01:20:15,640
Speaker 2: had me come in and mentor that team, and I

1720
01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:17,400
Speaker 2: knew right away that team was going to be just

1721
01:20:17,439 --> 01:20:20,479
Speaker 2: c just crazy good, I mean, unreal to work. Ethic

1722
01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:22,160
Speaker 2: was off the charts. I'd never seen nothing like that

1723
01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:25,559
Speaker 2: for young young guys all the same age, and so

1724
01:20:26,280 --> 01:20:28,320
Speaker 2: I knew at that point. Once we got out of

1725
01:20:28,320 --> 01:20:29,680
Speaker 2: the year one, they tried to give me come back

1726
01:20:29,720 --> 01:20:31,680
Speaker 2: two straight years, which if I would have came, I got,

1727
01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:32,960
Speaker 2: I was gonna won a championship.

1728
01:20:34,200 --> 01:20:35,760
Speaker 4: I just it was nothing left.

1729
01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:38,200
Speaker 2: Physically, I probably could have played probably two or three

1730
01:20:38,200 --> 01:20:43,640
Speaker 2: more years. I'm sticking my head out the window like

1731
01:20:43,680 --> 01:20:45,920
Speaker 2: a dog going to games, music turned up, trying to

1732
01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:49,040
Speaker 2: get myself going, and the process was too hard every day.

1733
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:51,960
Speaker 4: At what point would you say, because you said like

1734
01:20:52,080 --> 01:20:53,920
Speaker 4: you didn't love the game, what point would you say

1735
01:20:53,960 --> 01:20:56,519
Speaker 4: that happened? You started like you acknowledged it, like I

1736
01:20:56,520 --> 01:20:57,439
Speaker 4: don't love it no more?

1737
01:21:00,160 --> 01:21:03,120
Speaker 2: Shortly after the brawl, because I remember, I remember, like

1738
01:21:03,960 --> 01:21:08,040
Speaker 2: you know, I started I started eating along, so eating

1739
01:21:08,040 --> 01:21:10,640
Speaker 2: my my bedroom, so I had to stay outside and

1740
01:21:10,640 --> 01:21:14,719
Speaker 2: indeed where my chepherd bring and set my food outside

1741
01:21:14,720 --> 01:21:18,360
Speaker 2: of my you know, outside of my my room. And

1742
01:21:18,360 --> 01:21:20,559
Speaker 2: it's to a point where even like I, I was

1743
01:21:20,600 --> 01:21:23,519
Speaker 2: so secluded to myself trying to deal with all of that,

1744
01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:26,160
Speaker 2: Like I put a fingerprint lock on my door so

1745
01:21:26,200 --> 01:21:29,120
Speaker 2: nobody can come and bother me no matter what. So

1746
01:21:29,320 --> 01:21:31,640
Speaker 2: like literally I had to put my white fingerprint, my

1747
01:21:31,640 --> 01:21:34,040
Speaker 2: fingerprint to unlock the bolts on the door. It just

1748
01:21:34,080 --> 01:21:36,800
Speaker 2: it would unlock that way. But I knew right away

1749
01:21:36,840 --> 01:21:38,400
Speaker 2: at that point that something was different.

1750
01:21:39,080 --> 01:21:41,880
Speaker 4: Do you like binging back now, like because like we

1751
01:21:41,920 --> 01:21:43,960
Speaker 4: said earlier, like I went through the same thing, I

1752
01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:47,840
Speaker 4: probably should have sought out and got therapy for the

1753
01:21:48,040 --> 01:21:49,800
Speaker 4: stuff that I went through early in my career, but

1754
01:21:49,880 --> 01:21:51,960
Speaker 4: never did. Do you do you look back on that

1755
01:21:52,439 --> 01:21:55,160
Speaker 4: and feel like, hey, maybe if i'd have got help,

1756
01:21:55,200 --> 01:21:57,000
Speaker 4: I would have went through the through the rest of

1757
01:21:57,040 --> 01:21:59,360
Speaker 4: my career differently and maybe dealt with it differently.

1758
01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:01,160
Speaker 1: Oh for sure, I think for sure.

1759
01:22:01,240 --> 01:22:05,200
Speaker 2: You know now when you outside looking at you, it's

1760
01:22:05,240 --> 01:22:07,559
Speaker 2: interesting because you know, dealing with you know, I've said

1761
01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:09,920
Speaker 2: ron our tests on the team and watching him go

1762
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:11,720
Speaker 2: through his battles with.

1763
01:22:11,880 --> 01:22:15,040
Speaker 4: His his I mean even still even with him going

1764
01:22:15,080 --> 01:22:19,880
Speaker 4: through that, Like if we being honest, we as a

1765
01:22:19,880 --> 01:22:22,759
Speaker 4: as a community, like a black community. We didn't really

1766
01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:26,400
Speaker 4: believe in therapy and all that. And even when I

1767
01:22:26,439 --> 01:22:28,680
Speaker 4: heard he was going through it, like there was a

1768
01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:30,639
Speaker 4: part of me right or wrong, and like Ron ron

1769
01:22:30,760 --> 01:22:31,400
Speaker 4: crazy than me.

1770
01:22:31,439 --> 01:22:33,719
Speaker 1: I ain't like I'm not to be funny.

1771
01:22:33,720 --> 01:22:35,200
Speaker 4: I'm trying to be real, like you know what I'm saying,

1772
01:22:35,240 --> 01:22:37,080
Speaker 4: not trying to make fun of nothing like being real.

1773
01:22:37,240 --> 01:22:39,840
Speaker 4: Just like, Okay, I can understand maybe why he doing it.

1774
01:22:39,920 --> 01:22:41,439
Speaker 4: I ain't like that though, you know what I'm saying.

1775
01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:44,080
Speaker 4: Like even though I probably needed as much, if not

1776
01:22:44,120 --> 01:22:44,840
Speaker 4: more than him.

1777
01:22:44,720 --> 01:22:46,200
Speaker 2: For what I had went through, I feel like all

1778
01:22:46,240 --> 01:22:48,599
Speaker 2: of us but one hundred percent, and I was That's

1779
01:22:48,600 --> 01:22:50,559
Speaker 2: what I was gonna say too. It's like I watched

1780
01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:53,080
Speaker 2: that not necessarily work, but it was to me, it

1781
01:22:53,160 --> 01:22:58,439
Speaker 2: was far deeper than just that because I had this void.

1782
01:22:58,640 --> 01:23:01,840
Speaker 2: Remember now, I was already dealing with abandonment issues because

1783
01:23:01,840 --> 01:23:04,400
Speaker 2: of my dad, right right, And so when you grow

1784
01:23:04,479 --> 01:23:06,800
Speaker 2: up and you're going through all the success that you

1785
01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:09,600
Speaker 2: have and you don't have a moment, so you know,

1786
01:23:09,640 --> 01:23:11,280
Speaker 2: to this very moment, I sit here with you, with

1787
01:23:11,320 --> 01:23:14,640
Speaker 2: you guys, I've never in my life have had a

1788
01:23:14,680 --> 01:23:15,839
Speaker 2: moment where I can say.

1789
01:23:15,720 --> 01:23:17,200
Speaker 4: Dad, are you proud of me?

1790
01:23:18,040 --> 01:23:18,280
Speaker 1: Dad?

1791
01:23:18,360 --> 01:23:21,280
Speaker 4: Can you help me that? What are your thoughts? Can

1792
01:23:21,320 --> 01:23:22,439
Speaker 4: you hug me? Can you beat it?

1793
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:22,760
Speaker 1: For me?

1794
01:23:22,840 --> 01:23:26,840
Speaker 2: I've never had one moment in my entire forty three life,

1795
01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:27,599
Speaker 2: so I.

1796
01:23:27,520 --> 01:23:30,439
Speaker 4: Can relate to you on that from this standpoint. For me,

1797
01:23:30,520 --> 01:23:34,320
Speaker 4: I lost my mom at twelve, so I definitely had

1798
01:23:34,360 --> 01:23:35,960
Speaker 4: my mom tell me she's proud of me, she loved

1799
01:23:35,960 --> 01:23:37,880
Speaker 4: me all of these things. I didn't have that abandonment part.

1800
01:23:37,920 --> 01:23:39,840
Speaker 4: But like from a standpoint of like where I could

1801
01:23:39,880 --> 01:23:42,679
Speaker 4: relate to you where you said you have moments where

1802
01:23:42,680 --> 01:23:45,320
Speaker 4: as an adult or whatever you thinking this that or third,

1803
01:23:45,400 --> 01:23:48,320
Speaker 4: like what it would be like like for me that

1804
01:23:48,360 --> 01:23:50,679
Speaker 4: part with me where like like you say, like even

1805
01:23:50,720 --> 01:23:53,599
Speaker 4: with black Mama and as I loved her to death

1806
01:23:53,720 --> 01:23:55,879
Speaker 4: and she was there and he got to do everything

1807
01:23:55,880 --> 01:23:57,599
Speaker 4: that I wished I could do for my mama. So

1808
01:23:57,640 --> 01:23:59,080
Speaker 4: for me, that was a part of me that I

1809
01:23:59,080 --> 01:24:02,120
Speaker 4: felt like, there's a board she never like she put

1810
01:24:02,120 --> 01:24:04,320
Speaker 4: the ball in my hand. She played high school basketball.

1811
01:24:04,360 --> 01:24:06,120
Speaker 4: Now my postic he didn't play basketball. She taught me

1812
01:24:06,160 --> 01:24:10,120
Speaker 4: how to poop. So it's like when I won a

1813
01:24:10,120 --> 01:24:13,599
Speaker 4: three point contest, that was the first thing she loved

1814
01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:15,080
Speaker 4: to try fatter, So like for me, that was like

1815
01:24:15,160 --> 01:24:17,240
Speaker 4: it's the biggest I can't tell my mama that, damn.

1816
01:24:18,600 --> 01:24:20,360
Speaker 4: So like for me that was a void. I can

1817
01:24:20,520 --> 01:24:23,880
Speaker 4: definitely relate to you from that standpoint of it and be like, damn,

1818
01:24:23,920 --> 01:24:26,559
Speaker 4: I definitely can recall, like you know what I'm saying

1819
01:24:26,640 --> 01:24:28,519
Speaker 4: different things, like you know, my mouth was there all

1820
01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:30,480
Speaker 4: the time twenty four seven, like Niggay.

1821
01:24:30,120 --> 01:24:32,639
Speaker 2: Be times my mouse cooking for the team. I'm like, damn,

1822
01:24:32,720 --> 01:24:33,840
Speaker 2: like Nigga was, my mama was.

1823
01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:35,680
Speaker 4: Here to cook for everybody, and everybody be you know

1824
01:24:35,720 --> 01:24:37,479
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, geeked and loving on her the way

1825
01:24:37,960 --> 01:24:39,920
Speaker 4: same thing. So I definitely, you know what I'm saying,

1826
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:41,120
Speaker 4: relate to you on that.

1827
01:24:41,240 --> 01:24:42,920
Speaker 2: Especially when you have to you feel like you got

1828
01:24:42,920 --> 01:24:46,000
Speaker 2: the world bearing down on you right right, you know.

1829
01:24:46,040 --> 01:24:50,080
Speaker 2: Every time tough, you know, it's like people looking at

1830
01:24:50,120 --> 01:24:53,679
Speaker 2: you funny, you know, and it's like like damn, everything

1831
01:24:53,720 --> 01:24:55,840
Speaker 2: I worked for right, and I try to do it

1832
01:24:55,840 --> 01:24:57,280
Speaker 2: the right way right.

1833
01:24:57,840 --> 01:25:00,280
Speaker 4: I ain't late for nothing. I'm always on time.

1834
01:25:00,280 --> 01:25:02,479
Speaker 2: I'm professional, how I care like, I ain't I ain't

1835
01:25:02,479 --> 01:25:05,040
Speaker 2: going to jail, I ain't nothing, ain't nothing. I got

1836
01:25:05,120 --> 01:25:09,360
Speaker 2: one I got one situation that happens with you right

1837
01:25:09,720 --> 01:25:12,440
Speaker 2: in the entire world, and I watched people on television

1838
01:25:13,160 --> 01:25:16,800
Speaker 2: from Bob Costas to everybody that you know, basically said

1839
01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:20,519
Speaker 2: we was out of control. Niggas right, right, And so

1840
01:25:20,760 --> 01:25:23,080
Speaker 2: that that bothered me, brouh And then to have to

1841
01:25:23,120 --> 01:25:26,360
Speaker 2: sit and deal with that alone, like a lot of

1842
01:25:26,400 --> 01:25:29,920
Speaker 2: you leave, bro because basketball was really that was the

1843
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:33,280
Speaker 2: savior for me from my young days. That's that's what

1844
01:25:33,400 --> 01:25:37,360
Speaker 2: stabilized me, like Coach c Limpton basketball, so that basketball

1845
01:25:37,400 --> 01:25:41,120
Speaker 2: now became a real love and safe having for me.

1846
01:25:41,160 --> 01:25:42,560
Speaker 1: And when that went wrong.

1847
01:25:42,640 --> 01:25:45,000
Speaker 4: You don't understand that stuff don't work out for you

1848
01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:48,640
Speaker 4: don't understand it, cause Hoop is like everything and for

1849
01:25:48,760 --> 01:25:50,120
Speaker 4: some of us, you know what I'm saying, Like he's

1850
01:25:50,200 --> 01:25:52,320
Speaker 4: like he's different times.

1851
01:25:52,320 --> 01:25:53,800
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, when you grow, you get older.

1852
01:25:53,840 --> 01:25:56,400
Speaker 2: But I could definitely say for me, you know.

1853
01:25:56,320 --> 01:25:59,000
Speaker 4: You've seen me like what was a period where boll

1854
01:25:59,160 --> 01:26:00,800
Speaker 4: my brother got killed when I was in New York.

1855
01:26:01,240 --> 01:26:03,960
Speaker 4: I try to fight everybody on the team every day

1856
01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:07,920
Speaker 4: to the point where they said, hey, z included, And

1857
01:26:07,960 --> 01:26:10,000
Speaker 4: I like to this day, you know, I always speak

1858
01:26:10,040 --> 01:26:13,080
Speaker 4: highly of Zeke, like man. When it happened, Zke showed

1859
01:26:13,120 --> 01:26:16,879
Speaker 4: up for me, like man, me and my family, planes,

1860
01:26:17,240 --> 01:26:20,160
Speaker 4: private whatever anything we needed. Like I'm talking about it

1861
01:26:20,160 --> 01:26:23,960
Speaker 4: in a real way, but like I was, I was

1862
01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:26,880
Speaker 4: off the chain. Bro told me like, yo, you can't

1863
01:26:26,920 --> 01:26:30,040
Speaker 4: come back here until you go see this person. Yeah,

1864
01:26:30,240 --> 01:26:32,559
Speaker 4: like you, we will not let you, and like listen,

1865
01:26:32,560 --> 01:26:35,840
Speaker 4: if you don't go, it's gonna become a fine And

1866
01:26:36,240 --> 01:26:37,880
Speaker 4: even then, like you know what I'm saying, that's a

1867
01:26:38,040 --> 01:26:41,639
Speaker 4: that's a I was twenty four the n twenty five.

1868
01:26:41,680 --> 01:26:44,920
Speaker 4: I still was like okay, I come, I say here

1869
01:26:44,920 --> 01:26:47,400
Speaker 4: and looked at her for a hour, didn't say one word.

1870
01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:51,240
Speaker 4: So I didn't start dealing with that trauma to like

1871
01:26:51,840 --> 01:26:54,799
Speaker 4: way you know, thirty two, thirty three.

1872
01:26:54,680 --> 01:27:00,320
Speaker 2: Thirty five years old, listen and anybody's that's that's listening

1873
01:27:00,360 --> 01:27:01,120
Speaker 2: to and watching us.

1874
01:27:01,240 --> 01:27:03,759
Speaker 4: Is that. I think it's important for people to understand

1875
01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:04,800
Speaker 4: the human nature of it.

1876
01:27:05,280 --> 01:27:05,439
Speaker 1: Right.

1877
01:27:05,479 --> 01:27:09,439
Speaker 2: People use money as as an escapegoat to have.

1878
01:27:09,439 --> 01:27:10,280
Speaker 1: No problems.

1879
01:27:11,680 --> 01:27:14,479
Speaker 2: You care about not understanding no money you have, the

1880
01:27:14,479 --> 01:27:17,439
Speaker 2: more problems that you have, right, the trust you know

1881
01:27:17,479 --> 01:27:18,600
Speaker 2: you got to you got to figure out how to

1882
01:27:18,600 --> 01:27:22,080
Speaker 2: trust everything and everybody around you, right, But your deficiencies

1883
01:27:22,080 --> 01:27:25,040
Speaker 2: that you that you have that you were raised in

1884
01:27:25,280 --> 01:27:30,439
Speaker 2: will show itself. And sometimes in certain cases with certain players, athletes, entertainers,

1885
01:27:30,479 --> 01:27:32,880
Speaker 2: whatever it may be, it's going to be on the

1886
01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:38,240
Speaker 2: world stage, right And in many cases, you know you can't.

1887
01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:41,400
Speaker 2: You don't have any people lose control. I was watching

1888
01:27:41,479 --> 01:27:45,840
Speaker 2: Mike Beasley's interview. Yeah, I felt that I did too.

1889
01:27:46,080 --> 01:27:49,120
Speaker 2: We got no choice but to because we know him,

1890
01:27:49,240 --> 01:27:52,519
Speaker 2: know him, we know him personally, know we and.

1891
01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:54,120
Speaker 4: We could see some of the stuff he's saying.

1892
01:27:54,200 --> 01:27:57,240
Speaker 2: Yes, person, and that's why, like people, people be quick

1893
01:27:57,280 --> 01:28:00,000
Speaker 2: to judge, but they're not quick to solution.

1894
01:28:00,720 --> 01:28:03,760
Speaker 1: Or just just have empathy. Even if you came here

1895
01:28:03,880 --> 01:28:07,200
Speaker 1: just to have empathy, just to see what what's going.

1896
01:28:10,040 --> 01:28:15,040
Speaker 4: That's real human. Yeah, we just do a different occupation.

1897
01:28:15,160 --> 01:28:15,280
Speaker 1: Bro.

1898
01:28:15,320 --> 01:28:18,080
Speaker 4: I tell people that all the time, Like I can't

1899
01:28:18,120 --> 01:28:20,320
Speaker 4: remember who always said it. They say, I wish everybody

1900
01:28:20,320 --> 01:28:22,880
Speaker 4: could be rich just so they could see did it?

1901
01:28:22,920 --> 01:28:26,200
Speaker 4: Don't it don't change shit? R bro, That don't. That

1902
01:28:26,240 --> 01:28:28,240
Speaker 4: don't make you not human. That don't make you not

1903
01:28:28,400 --> 01:28:31,280
Speaker 4: hurt or not have you know, loss, or not have

1904
01:28:31,439 --> 01:28:34,040
Speaker 4: tragedy in your life. Like money don't take that away.

1905
01:28:34,360 --> 01:28:36,640
Speaker 4: Money don't make me morphic, Like I still got to

1906
01:28:36,640 --> 01:28:39,200
Speaker 4: put my pins on one leg. I don't just snap

1907
01:28:39,240 --> 01:28:41,160
Speaker 4: my fingers and I'm in my pins. So I got

1908
01:28:41,200 --> 01:28:43,880
Speaker 4: magic or I got no bro. I got feelings, I

1909
01:28:43,920 --> 01:28:47,160
Speaker 4: got emotions. Shit go wrong, my family members get ill,

1910
01:28:47,280 --> 01:28:52,280
Speaker 4: people die, tragedy happens, unfortunate situations happened to It's the

1911
01:28:52,360 --> 01:28:55,400
Speaker 4: same thing. And I like, yeah, I got some money,

1912
01:28:55,400 --> 01:28:57,960
Speaker 4: but that don't make my emotional state straight.

1913
01:28:59,000 --> 01:29:01,840
Speaker 3: Let me ask you this, like, how proud of your

1914
01:29:01,960 --> 01:29:07,480
Speaker 3: daughter is you for, you know, getting a scholarship playing volleyball,

1915
01:29:07,720 --> 01:29:10,400
Speaker 3: you know, playing a sport and doing what she's doing,

1916
01:29:10,520 --> 01:29:13,880
Speaker 3: going through what she went through to be at this point.

1917
01:29:13,920 --> 01:29:17,280
Speaker 3: Now you know what I'm saying, she's growing, beautiful girl,

1918
01:29:17,439 --> 01:29:19,800
Speaker 3: she got scholarship, she's doing it all on her own,

1919
01:29:19,840 --> 01:29:22,040
Speaker 3: and and she's out there doing it.

1920
01:29:22,280 --> 01:29:26,960
Speaker 1: Like, so, how proud of her you are? I think, man,

1921
01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:27,360
Speaker 1: that's all.

1922
01:29:27,439 --> 01:29:32,640
Speaker 2: That's a hell of a question because my daughter, like

1923
01:29:32,720 --> 01:29:34,760
Speaker 2: she was, she's a lot different than my son.

1924
01:29:34,840 --> 01:29:36,960
Speaker 4: Because my daughter was actually.

1925
01:29:36,600 --> 01:29:40,720
Speaker 2: There and went through everything with me, right, she she

1926
01:29:40,880 --> 01:29:44,880
Speaker 2: asked me about you know, the situation in Detroit. Right,

1927
01:29:44,920 --> 01:29:47,679
Speaker 2: we had a conversation to see her go through everything

1928
01:29:47,680 --> 01:29:48,639
Speaker 2: that she's going through.

1929
01:29:50,400 --> 01:29:52,000
Speaker 4: I think kids are a.

1930
01:29:51,960 --> 01:29:55,559
Speaker 2: Click cut reflection of the parents, right, So you know,

1931
01:29:55,600 --> 01:29:58,880
Speaker 2: shout out to my wife, Misha, who's done a phenomenal

1932
01:29:59,040 --> 01:30:03,519
Speaker 2: job on and you know, raising that young lady from

1933
01:30:03,560 --> 01:30:07,240
Speaker 2: a mother perspective, my daughter is I feel like she's

1934
01:30:07,280 --> 01:30:12,160
Speaker 2: a female version of myself. Very aggressive. She's gonna let

1935
01:30:12,200 --> 01:30:18,320
Speaker 2: you know how she feel. She's a dog bru. She's

1936
01:30:18,360 --> 01:30:19,040
Speaker 2: a dog brou.

1937
01:30:19,760 --> 01:30:21,800
Speaker 4: I took that from when you said she walcomed me

1938
01:30:21,880 --> 01:30:22,400
Speaker 4: crying like.

1939
01:30:22,360 --> 01:30:23,800
Speaker 1: I got to bro listen.

1940
01:30:23,840 --> 01:30:25,400
Speaker 4: She she is, she's a monster.

1941
01:30:25,600 --> 01:30:27,960
Speaker 2: And you know she had she ended up having another

1942
01:30:27,960 --> 01:30:30,559
Speaker 2: surgery to another heart surgery a year and a half ago.

1943
01:30:31,760 --> 01:30:34,400
Speaker 4: Yes, she had a second one and she ate that one.

1944
01:30:34,680 --> 01:30:36,280
Speaker 4: She ate it right.

1945
01:30:36,280 --> 01:30:39,040
Speaker 2: And so you know, when you talk about trials and tribulations,

1946
01:30:39,080 --> 01:30:42,520
Speaker 2: you talk about, you know, building foundation and the deficiencies

1947
01:30:42,560 --> 01:30:45,000
Speaker 2: that I had as a young man. I'm trying to

1948
01:30:45,120 --> 01:30:47,559
Speaker 2: re establish and make sure that my kids do not

1949
01:30:47,680 --> 01:30:54,519
Speaker 2: have that right with balancing suburban mindset, right and to

1950
01:30:54,560 --> 01:30:57,200
Speaker 2: help them understand like this what you how you love

1951
01:30:57,320 --> 01:31:02,479
Speaker 2: ain't technically so you know, you gotta you gotta respect,

1952
01:31:02,560 --> 01:31:05,000
Speaker 2: you know, the process the right way. But she's been phenomenal.

1953
01:31:05,400 --> 01:31:09,679
Speaker 2: She's finishing up her last year, a red shirt senior year.

1954
01:31:11,080 --> 01:31:13,439
Speaker 2: Everything that I typically do now for this agency or

1955
01:31:13,439 --> 01:31:17,920
Speaker 2: any other businesses that we do, I'm aligning her to run.

1956
01:31:18,760 --> 01:31:21,280
Speaker 2: She's gonna play overseas. I don't know how many years

1957
01:31:21,320 --> 01:31:24,200
Speaker 2: she's gonna play. I don't know how her mom is

1958
01:31:24,240 --> 01:31:26,800
Speaker 2: gonna break away for her to go overseas, because she's

1959
01:31:26,840 --> 01:31:29,160
Speaker 2: just right in Austin right now. Bro, my wife stayed

1960
01:31:29,160 --> 01:31:31,760
Speaker 2: going up there. We may we may go up to

1961
01:31:31,760 --> 01:31:34,240
Speaker 2: a two three times a week, seemed like. But I'm

1962
01:31:34,280 --> 01:31:37,080
Speaker 2: super proud of her. I think she's set in a

1963
01:31:37,120 --> 01:31:42,519
Speaker 2: great standard for my sons. My son didn't see what

1964
01:31:43,000 --> 01:31:45,840
Speaker 2: she saw, right So my son saw her as a

1965
01:31:45,880 --> 01:31:48,599
Speaker 2: number one play in the country, right going. So I

1966
01:31:48,640 --> 01:31:50,799
Speaker 2: always remind her, like your brother watching how.

1967
01:31:50,680 --> 01:31:52,960
Speaker 4: That feel though, man, like your daughter was number one

1968
01:31:52,960 --> 01:31:54,680
Speaker 4: player in the country or something, or.

1969
01:31:54,640 --> 01:31:56,920
Speaker 2: What she what it is like like you said, like

1970
01:31:57,040 --> 01:32:01,439
Speaker 2: that's a clear reflection, like you get the athletic ability,

1971
01:32:01,479 --> 01:32:03,280
Speaker 2: and she took it and ran woo and she put

1972
01:32:03,280 --> 01:32:04,519
Speaker 2: the work in and earned it.

1973
01:32:04,640 --> 01:32:08,000
Speaker 4: Like that's that's that's that's an accomplishment, bro, man, it

1974
01:32:08,080 --> 01:32:09,559
Speaker 4: really is, man. I think you know.

1975
01:32:11,160 --> 01:32:13,960
Speaker 2: I'll be at these games and the nervousness that I carry.

1976
01:32:15,080 --> 01:32:16,679
Speaker 2: We've played in the biggest moment, right.

1977
01:32:19,720 --> 01:32:22,760
Speaker 1: And I just be sweating. You know they're not at there,

1978
01:32:22,800 --> 01:32:25,599
Speaker 1: sweat be rolling out your chest, and I'll be.

1979
01:32:25,560 --> 01:32:29,320
Speaker 2: Sweating in the games because it's no greater feeling than

1980
01:32:29,439 --> 01:32:34,360
Speaker 2: watch your kids succeed. Down Brown, I remember, I remember

1981
01:32:34,400 --> 01:32:37,840
Speaker 2: going through at South Lake Carl It was it was

1982
01:32:37,920 --> 01:32:40,840
Speaker 2: signing day and I didn't go to school, so I

1983
01:32:40,840 --> 01:32:42,880
Speaker 2: didn't know what that. I didn't know what that was, right,

1984
01:32:43,600 --> 01:32:45,640
Speaker 2: So I remember going like going through it's like this

1985
01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:47,680
Speaker 2: they had it in the cafeteria and it was just

1986
01:32:47,760 --> 01:32:49,840
Speaker 2: like they got this big ass cafeteria over there, and

1987
01:32:49,960 --> 01:32:52,960
Speaker 2: every every table was for a kid and whatever school

1988
01:32:52,960 --> 01:32:56,160
Speaker 2: they were going to memorabilia, whatever family. So short I

1989
01:32:56,320 --> 01:32:59,080
Speaker 2: go through that, I'm be lining through everybody and I

1990
01:32:59,160 --> 01:32:59,920
Speaker 2: see her table.

1991
01:33:00,280 --> 01:33:03,280
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, Lord, like start feeling funny.

1992
01:33:03,920 --> 01:33:04,519
Speaker 1: My back out.

1993
01:33:05,000 --> 01:33:07,880
Speaker 4: I go back out and get some air. Come back

1994
01:33:07,880 --> 01:33:10,880
Speaker 4: in Nigga's tears.

1995
01:33:11,720 --> 01:33:16,440
Speaker 2: Because I felt like I got something right with her.

1996
01:33:17,000 --> 01:33:18,920
Speaker 2: Forget everything else, I got something right with her. And

1997
01:33:18,960 --> 01:33:21,360
Speaker 2: I think she keeps me honest in every in every manner.

1998
01:33:22,920 --> 01:33:24,439
Speaker 2: You know, she the the reason why I get up

1999
01:33:24,640 --> 01:33:26,800
Speaker 2: and do it every day. You know, looking at my kids,

2000
01:33:26,800 --> 01:33:29,560
Speaker 2: like the worst my worst nightmare is my kids not seeing.

2001
01:33:29,280 --> 01:33:30,920
Speaker 4: Me be successful away from basketball.

2002
01:33:31,760 --> 01:33:34,200
Speaker 2: I don't Basketball is what it was, what it was,

2003
01:33:34,240 --> 01:33:37,000
Speaker 2: but it is important for me to show my son

2004
01:33:37,080 --> 01:33:40,360
Speaker 2: and daughter that I can be as successful away from basketball.

2005
01:33:40,560 --> 01:33:42,599
Speaker 1: Who did you have around you too?

2006
01:33:43,840 --> 01:33:47,880
Speaker 3: To take your focus, the focus and the determination and

2007
01:33:47,920 --> 01:33:50,720
Speaker 3: the toughness you have on the court, to take that

2008
01:33:51,080 --> 01:33:53,800
Speaker 3: and put it outside the court with your businesses and

2009
01:33:53,840 --> 01:33:56,240
Speaker 3: all the success that you have business wise and the

2010
01:33:56,280 --> 01:34:00,200
Speaker 3: moves that you make, the decisions that you make business.

2011
01:33:59,760 --> 01:34:03,040
Speaker 1: Wise, because we heard about you. You know what I'm saying.

2012
01:34:03,200 --> 01:34:04,919
Speaker 1: You're doing your thing.

2013
01:34:04,880 --> 01:34:07,559
Speaker 3: But you know it takes a mindset like you just

2014
01:34:07,600 --> 01:34:09,320
Speaker 3: ain't like, yeah, I got money, so I'm just gonna

2015
01:34:09,320 --> 01:34:10,519
Speaker 3: spend it on this business.

2016
01:34:10,520 --> 01:34:11,080
Speaker 1: If it works.

2017
01:34:11,400 --> 01:34:14,559
Speaker 3: It worked, But now you don't play about your business.

2018
01:34:14,600 --> 01:34:16,439
Speaker 3: Every business you do. You get out there and you

2019
01:34:16,520 --> 01:34:18,559
Speaker 3: do your thing. So who kind of helped you with

2020
01:34:18,600 --> 01:34:21,080
Speaker 3: that mindset to take what you're doing on the court

2021
01:34:21,280 --> 01:34:23,240
Speaker 3: and take it off the court for this mindset for

2022
01:34:23,280 --> 01:34:24,040
Speaker 3: you and your family.

2023
01:34:24,960 --> 01:34:26,599
Speaker 2: Man, when you come with a good question, I think

2024
01:34:28,280 --> 01:34:32,519
Speaker 2: so I think all of us. We're raised by a community, right,

2025
01:34:32,560 --> 01:34:34,640
Speaker 2: but it's it's particular people. And I would say, this

2026
01:34:34,680 --> 01:34:36,439
Speaker 2: is my mother. So my mother.

2027
01:34:37,720 --> 01:34:42,559
Speaker 4: I watched her bugget thugget with us brou Like.

2028
01:34:42,760 --> 01:34:45,519
Speaker 2: What I mean by that is I watch her be sick,

2029
01:34:46,920 --> 01:34:52,040
Speaker 2: beat down mentally, emotionally from tired working two jobs. You

2030
01:34:52,080 --> 01:34:56,040
Speaker 2: know that night she had a janitorial job to kind

2031
01:34:56,040 --> 01:34:58,559
Speaker 2: of get ends me. You know, one week we got

2032
01:34:58,560 --> 01:35:00,599
Speaker 2: the lights off, next week we got the off, next

2033
01:35:00,600 --> 01:35:04,080
Speaker 2: week got the cable off. But we never went without food,

2034
01:35:04,640 --> 01:35:08,120
Speaker 2: we never went without clothes, right, And so she always

2035
01:35:08,120 --> 01:35:11,360
Speaker 2: told me is like, son, listen, you better value everything

2036
01:35:11,400 --> 01:35:14,719
Speaker 2: and every opportunity because they don't come around with everybody right.

2037
01:35:15,000 --> 01:35:15,400
Speaker 4: And so.

2038
01:35:17,280 --> 01:35:19,280
Speaker 2: I remember always talking to her about like okay, well,

2039
01:35:19,320 --> 01:35:21,000
Speaker 2: like you know, what is your plan? Like are you

2040
01:35:21,000 --> 01:35:22,479
Speaker 2: gonna do this rest of your life? You said, well,

2041
01:35:22,479 --> 01:35:25,920
Speaker 2: if I have to. And when I look at her

2042
01:35:26,320 --> 01:35:30,960
Speaker 2: talking to two young boys, it's the same as how

2043
01:35:31,120 --> 01:35:34,760
Speaker 2: I look at my kids. They need to see me

2044
01:35:35,240 --> 01:35:39,439
Speaker 2: be successful at doing something right. And so every decision

2045
01:35:39,439 --> 01:35:42,720
Speaker 2: that I make, not only am I am I trying

2046
01:35:42,760 --> 01:35:45,519
Speaker 2: to be right and make my kids proud, but the

2047
01:35:45,560 --> 01:35:50,320
Speaker 2: people that I'm involving into my business deals. They have families, right,

2048
01:35:50,360 --> 01:35:52,439
Speaker 2: and so if I include somebody else into a business

2049
01:35:52,439 --> 01:35:54,760
Speaker 2: deal and we're saying we got a partnership or I

2050
01:35:54,880 --> 01:35:57,040
Speaker 2: hire them whatever, I'm thinking about their.

2051
01:35:56,920 --> 01:35:59,640
Speaker 4: Families as well. So I'm tedious.

2052
01:36:00,400 --> 01:36:03,000
Speaker 2: If you I don't know, if y'all probably asked Tamac

2053
01:36:03,080 --> 01:36:05,800
Speaker 2: this too. You know, y'all just talk to them. But

2054
01:36:05,920 --> 01:36:10,040
Speaker 2: I am. I'm an animal towards that, bro like I

2055
01:36:10,080 --> 01:36:12,080
Speaker 2: can't as a black man, I can't. I can't see

2056
01:36:12,320 --> 01:36:16,120
Speaker 2: I can't see failing. And if I fail, I've given

2057
01:36:16,160 --> 01:36:19,280
Speaker 2: everything I got mm hmm, every option.

2058
01:36:20,000 --> 01:36:22,320
Speaker 1: Every detail. It just didn't work.

2059
01:36:23,360 --> 01:36:25,679
Speaker 2: But I'd be damn if I do it half asked

2060
01:36:26,160 --> 01:36:28,679
Speaker 2: and then teach my kids to do things half assed.

2061
01:36:28,680 --> 01:36:30,040
Speaker 2: Because here's the thing. I'm not trying to take care

2062
01:36:30,080 --> 01:36:32,400
Speaker 2: of my kids rest of my damn life. I'm trying

2063
01:36:32,439 --> 01:36:34,880
Speaker 2: to listen. I'm trying to I'm trying to have listen. Bro,

2064
01:36:34,960 --> 01:36:37,040
Speaker 2: I'm trying to have an empty house. Walk around the house.

2065
01:36:37,080 --> 01:36:39,720
Speaker 2: How I won't do what I won't I won't, you

2066
01:36:39,760 --> 01:36:41,360
Speaker 2: know with me and my wife, and and my wife

2067
01:36:41,400 --> 01:36:44,160
Speaker 2: has been she's been incredible. I got to say this

2068
01:36:44,200 --> 01:36:48,040
Speaker 2: about her. I ain't the easiest person to deal with all.

2069
01:36:50,040 --> 01:36:56,160
Speaker 2: Shout out to the women that it might be the worst,

2070
01:36:56,439 --> 01:37:01,439
Speaker 2: right listen, Brofe has been She's been a rock in

2071
01:37:01,479 --> 01:37:03,400
Speaker 2: so many ways, man, and she helps her mind me

2072
01:37:04,280 --> 01:37:05,560
Speaker 2: what's important?

2073
01:37:06,000 --> 01:37:06,559
Speaker 1: Splight up?

2074
01:37:06,920 --> 01:37:10,320
Speaker 4: So nah that like real talk. I take the same thing, man,

2075
01:37:10,320 --> 01:37:12,439
Speaker 4: The one thing I feel like I definitely learned from

2076
01:37:12,479 --> 01:37:16,160
Speaker 4: my pops more than anything. My pops drove Chicago you know,

2077
01:37:16,280 --> 01:37:20,240
Speaker 4: Chicago Transit Thority CTA public transportation for thirty nine years

2078
01:37:20,240 --> 01:37:22,800
Speaker 4: before he allowed me to retire. I'm like, I didn't

2079
01:37:22,840 --> 01:37:25,240
Speaker 4: get to retire him to like nine years in the league.

2080
01:37:25,240 --> 01:37:28,080
Speaker 4: Bro He was like, nah, like that's just not what

2081
01:37:28,280 --> 01:37:30,200
Speaker 4: Like my pop was just work. And then he felt

2082
01:37:30,280 --> 01:37:32,240
Speaker 4: like a lot of his friends that was retiring, like

2083
01:37:32,320 --> 01:37:34,160
Speaker 4: they passed away in a few years because they ain't

2084
01:37:34,160 --> 01:37:36,640
Speaker 4: doing nothing. So like he was like nah, and like

2085
01:37:36,760 --> 01:37:40,120
Speaker 4: even when I did retire, like he's never not doing something,

2086
01:37:40,360 --> 01:37:42,720
Speaker 4: moving around, he's working on something at the house. He

2087
01:37:42,800 --> 01:37:44,200
Speaker 4: come to my house, he come out of town. I

2088
01:37:44,240 --> 01:37:46,280
Speaker 4: got a you know, pretty new nice house, you know,

2089
01:37:46,360 --> 01:37:48,360
Speaker 4: built my house, and he'd be trying to work and

2090
01:37:48,360 --> 01:37:51,080
Speaker 4: do shit. I'm like, Pops, it's not that type of

2091
01:37:51,120 --> 01:37:54,760
Speaker 4: house to do nothing. That's pedigree, bron And that's why

2092
01:37:54,800 --> 01:37:57,040
Speaker 4: I say I appreciate the hell of my pops because

2093
01:37:57,040 --> 01:38:00,719
Speaker 4: I feel like watching him and experiencing what he does

2094
01:38:01,040 --> 01:38:02,800
Speaker 4: it made me the way I am. And it doesn't

2095
01:38:02,840 --> 01:38:04,760
Speaker 4: matter what's going on. I can't not work, I can't

2096
01:38:04,840 --> 01:38:07,240
Speaker 4: not do something. I can't not get up at eight

2097
01:38:07,240 --> 01:38:09,800
Speaker 4: o'clock in the morning, seven thirty eight o'clock. And then

2098
01:38:09,960 --> 01:38:12,360
Speaker 4: like now my kids get to see me do that,

2099
01:38:12,800 --> 01:38:14,800
Speaker 4: and they get to see what, you know what like

2100
01:38:15,000 --> 01:38:16,680
Speaker 4: no matter what's going on, Like my kids ain't get

2101
01:38:16,680 --> 01:38:18,000
Speaker 4: to see me hoop at all. None of they got

2102
01:38:18,040 --> 01:38:19,400
Speaker 4: to see me playing the Big Three a little bit.

2103
01:38:19,439 --> 01:38:21,280
Speaker 4: That's not me hooping. That was just you know, they

2104
01:38:21,280 --> 01:38:24,080
Speaker 4: had to see whatever that wasn't mean you shut up.

2105
01:38:24,439 --> 01:38:26,760
Speaker 4: But like I said, like they didn't get to see that.

2106
01:38:26,840 --> 01:38:29,559
Speaker 4: So they look when they see me, I'm out here

2107
01:38:29,600 --> 01:38:33,519
Speaker 4: getting to it, leave five in the morning, fly back

2108
01:38:33,560 --> 01:38:36,280
Speaker 4: at nine at night, taking y'all to school, picking y'all up,

2109
01:38:36,360 --> 01:38:38,920
Speaker 4: y'all got y'all everything you need is given to you.

2110
01:38:39,000 --> 01:38:41,960
Speaker 4: And you see me going to the magic games, calling

2111
01:38:41,960 --> 01:38:44,479
Speaker 4: the games, being on TV, doing this, doing this, with

2112
01:38:44,640 --> 01:38:48,240
Speaker 4: the going here, going there, like y'all see that Pops

2113
01:38:48,280 --> 01:38:50,559
Speaker 4: is getting fucking to it. And this is what the

2114
01:38:50,560 --> 01:38:53,240
Speaker 4: fuck it's about. It's no easy routes in this life.

2115
01:38:53,280 --> 01:38:55,360
Speaker 4: Ain't nothing about to come easy. And y'all seeing me

2116
01:38:55,520 --> 01:38:58,760
Speaker 4: every day I'm putting, I'm checking that clock, and this

2117
01:38:58,800 --> 01:39:01,679
Speaker 4: is what this is what it's gonna be about. Some like, hey, son,

2118
01:39:01,760 --> 01:39:04,920
Speaker 4: I hope you may play basketball or whatever. I hope

2119
01:39:04,960 --> 01:39:06,920
Speaker 4: it is whatever y'all wanted to be. But just know

2120
01:39:07,960 --> 01:39:10,040
Speaker 4: work gonna be part of it. It ain't gonna be

2121
01:39:10,160 --> 01:39:13,080
Speaker 4: without work, but they gonna the kids gonna be bregain.

2122
01:39:13,200 --> 01:39:15,439
Speaker 2: It goes back to, you know, we want to be

2123
01:39:15,600 --> 01:39:18,280
Speaker 2: every generation we want to make better than the previous, right,

2124
01:39:18,800 --> 01:39:20,400
Speaker 2: so we set in the standard to what that is.

2125
01:39:20,400 --> 01:39:22,040
Speaker 2: And so I don't understand and and I would I

2126
01:39:22,120 --> 01:39:25,559
Speaker 2: would recommend for any parent that's out there, mother or father,

2127
01:39:26,120 --> 01:39:32,120
Speaker 2: the impact that you can have, good or bad is significant, significant.

2128
01:39:33,040 --> 01:39:35,080
Speaker 2: And I think you know whether you whether you have

2129
01:39:35,200 --> 01:39:37,840
Speaker 2: the money or not, it takes time, right, just evering

2130
01:39:37,960 --> 01:39:42,160
Speaker 2: your time. You know that that could be a whole

2131
01:39:42,200 --> 01:39:42,639
Speaker 2: nother show.

2132
01:39:42,680 --> 01:39:42,800
Speaker 4: Bro.

2133
01:39:43,040 --> 01:39:46,559
Speaker 2: I'm super passionate about that man. And and you know,

2134
01:39:46,560 --> 01:39:49,120
Speaker 2: because it's us, it's it's people like ourselves who sit

2135
01:39:49,800 --> 01:39:53,120
Speaker 2: and laughing joke about this that still deal with deficient

2136
01:39:53,439 --> 01:39:57,000
Speaker 2: deficiencies that was left in our lives, right, and so

2137
01:39:57,200 --> 01:40:00,880
Speaker 2: definitely it doesn't go away, right, just doesn't go away.

2138
01:40:00,920 --> 01:40:02,760
Speaker 2: So just do your best job that you can to

2139
01:40:02,960 --> 01:40:04,599
Speaker 2: help raise your kids. It's important.

2140
01:40:04,760 --> 01:40:10,160
Speaker 3: Start bench trade. You gotta start one. I actually got

2141
01:40:10,560 --> 01:40:13,439
Speaker 3: two categories for you. I got two categories. The first

2142
01:40:13,520 --> 01:40:20,280
Speaker 3: category is karme alone, Sean Kemp, Charles Barkley.

2143
01:40:20,320 --> 01:40:22,200
Speaker 1: Who do you start? Who do you a bench? Who

2144
01:40:22,240 --> 01:40:22,840
Speaker 1: do you trade?

2145
01:40:24,439 --> 01:40:24,920
Speaker 4: Mm hmmm.

2146
01:40:26,760 --> 01:40:28,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go. I'm gonna start.

2147
01:40:28,080 --> 01:40:34,120
Speaker 2: Charles, I'm a I'm a bench, Karmelo a trade Sean

2148
01:40:34,240 --> 01:40:36,639
Speaker 2: Kemp and that hurts me because Sean Kent was my guy.

2149
01:40:37,080 --> 01:40:37,760
Speaker 4: That's my guy.

2150
01:40:38,280 --> 01:40:40,320
Speaker 2: But when I look at the body of work, you're right.

2151
01:40:40,360 --> 01:40:40,720
Speaker 1: You're right.

2152
01:40:43,000 --> 01:40:48,639
Speaker 3: Start bench trade, Duncan Rashid kg Who do you start?

2153
01:40:48,680 --> 01:40:50,160
Speaker 1: Who do you bench? Who do you trade?

2154
01:40:51,040 --> 01:40:56,080
Speaker 4: I gotta go. I'm gonna start Duncan. Damn. That's a

2155
01:40:56,080 --> 01:41:03,920
Speaker 4: tough one. I'mnah. She's like God to ship.

2156
01:41:07,800 --> 01:41:10,640
Speaker 1: It's been an easy decision. Nothing to leave them out?

2157
01:41:11,479 --> 01:41:11,840
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.

2158
01:41:13,320 --> 01:41:18,360
Speaker 3: South Carolina or she first. Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna go.

2159
01:41:18,479 --> 01:41:22,800
Speaker 2: Uh damn, because it's really it really depends on what

2160
01:41:22,840 --> 01:41:26,400
Speaker 2: I need at the time. You know, then they don't

2161
01:41:26,400 --> 01:41:28,320
Speaker 2: want to say that I'm gonna go what I need.

2162
01:41:29,439 --> 01:41:30,880
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go

2163
01:41:32,320 --> 01:41:36,640
Speaker 2: Tim start, Tim bench a ticket and then trade.

2164
01:41:36,360 --> 01:41:38,000
Speaker 1: She and this is this.

2165
01:41:38,000 --> 01:41:40,040
Speaker 4: This is what I asked everybody. But I don't know

2166
01:41:40,560 --> 01:41:43,200
Speaker 4: that there has been anybody that I have been looking

2167
01:41:43,200 --> 01:41:47,040
Speaker 4: forward to asking this more a black little rochi You

2168
01:41:47,040 --> 01:41:50,200
Speaker 4: hear me, like I asked everybody this, he listen. This

2169
01:41:50,280 --> 01:41:52,759
Speaker 4: ain't about no mama ship. This ain't out no coach

2170
01:41:52,800 --> 01:41:56,639
Speaker 4: glint click like Coach g getting them. Now you know,

2171
01:41:56,880 --> 01:42:01,680
Speaker 4: I know exclusively some of the ship you' indeed, So

2172
01:42:01,760 --> 01:42:04,439
Speaker 4: I need one of the real good stories about something

2173
01:42:04,439 --> 01:42:08,200
Speaker 4: that the black liver Rotchet did when he had that change.

2174
01:42:08,200 --> 01:42:09,840
Speaker 2: You the guy, you the guy. I ain't gonna talk

2175
01:42:09,880 --> 01:42:11,920
Speaker 2: about your double bass published. I ain't gonna just say

2176
01:42:11,920 --> 01:42:13,720
Speaker 2: that though, but like man, it got a lot of

2177
01:42:13,800 --> 01:42:14,679
Speaker 2: changed nice.

2178
01:42:14,520 --> 01:42:16,719
Speaker 1: Little like what what did you do for you? Instead

2179
01:42:16,760 --> 01:42:19,880
Speaker 1: of not the moms and all that? Because I don't

2180
01:42:19,920 --> 01:42:20,400
Speaker 1: play with me.

2181
01:42:20,479 --> 01:42:23,479
Speaker 2: I know how many times I could name times myself

2182
01:42:23,520 --> 01:42:25,439
Speaker 2: when I was impressed when you didn't even know me,

2183
01:42:25,800 --> 01:42:26,840
Speaker 2: and so like.

2184
01:42:26,920 --> 01:42:27,760
Speaker 4: Pick something good.

2185
01:42:27,880 --> 01:42:31,320
Speaker 2: Wait, so something that I bought myself, something that I did.

2186
01:42:31,360 --> 01:42:32,360
Speaker 1: You treated yourself.

2187
01:42:32,360 --> 01:42:34,320
Speaker 4: I don't care if you bought yourself or you did

2188
01:42:34,439 --> 01:42:38,760
Speaker 4: I'm talking about something look back somewhere you felt like, yeah,

2189
01:42:38,960 --> 01:42:41,920
Speaker 4: I'm the number one stummer bitch. Like you know what.

2190
01:42:42,040 --> 01:42:45,040
Speaker 2: I can say this though it was it was the

2191
01:42:45,120 --> 01:42:51,680
Speaker 2: last game of the season. It was in Atlanta is

2192
01:42:51,720 --> 01:42:56,599
Speaker 2: that magic city? So this might have been my worst buy,

2193
01:42:56,760 --> 01:43:02,840
Speaker 2: my worst spending might have been my worst spend, and

2194
01:43:03,040 --> 01:43:06,719
Speaker 2: I think it was. So it was me Stephen Jackson,

2195
01:43:08,439 --> 01:43:11,360
Speaker 2: Small Tinsley, Oh yeah, young mall.

2196
01:43:11,560 --> 01:43:13,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, so your young man.

2197
01:43:14,000 --> 01:43:16,240
Speaker 1: And we spent I think it was like eighty thousand.

2198
01:43:16,600 --> 01:43:18,400
Speaker 2: That was the funny cause we started throwing the whole

2199
01:43:18,439 --> 01:43:20,960
Speaker 2: brick they bring them by the bricks it once and

2200
01:43:21,040 --> 01:43:23,160
Speaker 2: we threw it throwing at the DJ. The DJ got

2201
01:43:23,160 --> 01:43:25,200
Speaker 2: mad and he realized what it was and he was like, oh,

2202
01:43:25,560 --> 01:43:26,040
Speaker 2: we're good.

2203
01:43:27,360 --> 01:43:30,439
Speaker 4: Just f why. I'd have been one of them, one

2204
01:43:30,439 --> 01:43:32,840
Speaker 4: of them dudes in the video that y'all saw getting

2205
01:43:32,880 --> 01:43:34,400
Speaker 4: up out of there with everything you do.

2206
01:43:35,520 --> 01:43:37,200
Speaker 2: I would have kicked that ship to the side too.

2207
01:43:37,240 --> 01:43:39,679
Speaker 2: It was out of the picture. Like, oh, it ain't

2208
01:43:39,720 --> 01:43:40,880
Speaker 2: nothing happening over here.

2209
01:43:41,120 --> 01:43:42,880
Speaker 4: That might have been my worst spend though.

2210
01:43:42,960 --> 01:43:43,960
Speaker 1: I mean that easily.

2211
01:43:44,680 --> 01:43:48,320
Speaker 4: Let me just explain, y'all. I call him the Black Liberachi.

2212
01:43:49,720 --> 01:43:52,000
Speaker 4: Before I ever had, you know, the pleasure of playing

2213
01:43:52,080 --> 01:43:54,519
Speaker 4: being his teammate in Miami, I saw all kind of

2214
01:43:54,520 --> 01:43:56,720
Speaker 4: ship with the flyps Liberty eight. That was when I

2215
01:43:56,760 --> 01:43:59,719
Speaker 4: really it was unveiled, Like bitch, I mean different, change

2216
01:43:59,720 --> 01:44:03,800
Speaker 4: you iceman? What I just go to the first time

2217
01:44:03,840 --> 01:44:06,679
Speaker 4: I'm gonna tell it was you and Gary Payne and GP.

2218
01:44:07,520 --> 01:44:11,720
Speaker 2: It looked like this and you second year in the

2219
01:44:11,760 --> 01:44:15,880
Speaker 2: league when Chris Air the Iceman was out, when they

2220
01:44:15,960 --> 01:44:18,960
Speaker 2: first came out with rose gold jewelry got it on that.

2221
01:44:19,120 --> 01:44:21,880
Speaker 4: I had never seen it before life. All I saw

2222
01:44:22,080 --> 01:44:26,080
Speaker 4: was either gold or whatever you wanna call it, silver platinum.

2223
01:44:26,240 --> 01:44:28,120
Speaker 4: I didn't even know plantum existing. I thought it was

2224
01:44:28,120 --> 01:44:31,920
Speaker 4: either silver or gold, cool, stainless. Still, I guess too.

2225
01:44:32,680 --> 01:44:37,200
Speaker 4: This motherfucker here him and GP rolls up. Boy, they

2226
01:44:37,240 --> 01:44:39,680
Speaker 4: had you had that big dumb ass crossed with the

2227
01:44:39,720 --> 01:44:41,479
Speaker 4: watch with the oh Man.

2228
01:44:41,680 --> 01:44:45,439
Speaker 2: I said, oh my lord, what is that? I was like,

2229
01:44:46,040 --> 01:44:48,559
Speaker 2: what you remember when we saw that, bro? Like we

2230
01:44:48,600 --> 01:44:51,920
Speaker 2: was like you couldn't tell us. Now we told.

2231
01:44:51,760 --> 01:44:56,040
Speaker 4: Every single everybody, everybody who would listen main't none and

2232
01:44:56,080 --> 01:45:00,439
Speaker 4: Gary Payne I never could when g we had the

2233
01:45:00,439 --> 01:45:02,840
Speaker 4: three one O to escalade with the with the with

2234
01:45:02,880 --> 01:45:04,400
Speaker 4: the with.

2235
01:45:04,320 --> 01:45:09,479
Speaker 2: The roots, with the rug, with the but I said, Yo,

2236
01:45:09,560 --> 01:45:10,680
Speaker 2: what is happening?

2237
01:45:11,479 --> 01:45:15,400
Speaker 4: Like why I have never listened? That is the single

2238
01:45:15,960 --> 01:45:18,920
Speaker 4: single time that I saw something and I wanted it

2239
01:45:19,000 --> 01:45:20,960
Speaker 4: more than anything that I couldn't like get at a

2240
01:45:21,000 --> 01:45:22,720
Speaker 4: time like when y'all can I swear to God and

2241
01:45:22,800 --> 01:45:29,000
Speaker 4: y'all came with cameo like caok, like that ship with

2242
01:45:31,520 --> 01:45:35,360
Speaker 4: saw we were in l a first ever one Beyonce

2243
01:45:35,520 --> 01:45:39,280
Speaker 4: when solo her album release party. Yeah, that's when we

2244
01:45:39,280 --> 01:45:40,960
Speaker 4: read when you came in with that ship and GP

2245
01:45:41,200 --> 01:45:41,800
Speaker 4: came in there too.

2246
01:45:41,840 --> 01:45:45,200
Speaker 2: I'm like, you got this ship too, Like oh no,

2247
01:45:45,360 --> 01:45:47,200
Speaker 2: what's going to eating?

2248
01:45:47,960 --> 01:45:50,880
Speaker 4: Maybe it might have been the guard eating like no

2249
01:45:51,280 --> 01:45:53,599
Speaker 4: lie true story, Like bro, when you came with that

2250
01:45:53,600 --> 01:45:56,599
Speaker 4: that ship. That's and I never got nothing from Iceman

2251
01:45:56,680 --> 01:45:57,559
Speaker 4: because you know, like.

2252
01:45:57,560 --> 01:46:00,720
Speaker 1: We ain't have it like that.

2253
01:46:00,240 --> 01:46:02,240
Speaker 2: Crazy because he used to be like they know what

2254
01:46:02,280 --> 01:46:04,400
Speaker 2: to say to you, right, So he was like, yo, Joe,

2255
01:46:04,439 --> 01:46:05,519
Speaker 2: I got this, I got this.

2256
01:46:05,520 --> 01:46:07,080
Speaker 4: This new roads go.

2257
01:46:07,240 --> 01:46:07,839
Speaker 1: It's soft.

2258
01:46:08,680 --> 01:46:09,400
Speaker 4: It's like soft.

2259
01:46:11,439 --> 01:46:14,679
Speaker 1: So it's like I'm gonna bring your teeth.

2260
01:46:14,680 --> 01:46:16,040
Speaker 4: Man. He brought it to me. I was like, yo,

2261
01:46:16,080 --> 01:46:18,200
Speaker 4: I gotta have that because you ain't seen nobody else where.

2262
01:46:18,240 --> 01:46:20,479
Speaker 4: You knew you was gonna be the first on the block.

2263
01:46:21,479 --> 01:46:24,280
Speaker 4: When he came with, I said, crosses.

2264
01:46:23,840 --> 01:46:30,400
Speaker 2: Like this big big. It was biggest your abs supposed

2265
01:46:30,400 --> 01:46:30,519
Speaker 2: to be.

2266
01:46:30,640 --> 01:46:33,760
Speaker 3: Everybody didn't see your ear. I just say all down

2267
01:46:33,880 --> 01:46:35,160
Speaker 3: like this boy got a whole.

2268
01:46:34,880 --> 01:46:37,120
Speaker 1: Earth full of down quote on this.

2269
01:46:37,280 --> 01:46:39,960
Speaker 4: I will never forget that night, and I have told

2270
01:46:40,040 --> 01:46:42,719
Speaker 4: so many people about it that it makes no sense.

2271
01:46:42,760 --> 01:46:44,519
Speaker 4: Like I'm telling you, when I saw that ship, I

2272
01:46:44,520 --> 01:46:46,599
Speaker 4: couldn't stop talking about it. I talked about that ship

2273
01:46:46,640 --> 01:46:48,040
Speaker 4: for like the next month and a half.

2274
01:46:48,080 --> 01:46:50,000
Speaker 3: Having each other, like look, I can still see him

2275
01:46:50,000 --> 01:46:52,000
Speaker 3: across the road, still.

2276
01:46:51,720 --> 01:46:55,280
Speaker 4: Shine like you gotta.

2277
01:46:55,680 --> 01:46:58,840
Speaker 1: It was like case, I ain't never seen this, bro,

2278
01:47:01,600 --> 01:47:03,439
Speaker 1: I said, man, look at this. I gotta I gotta

2279
01:47:03,439 --> 01:47:05,960
Speaker 1: get some of that jo g attention to that that

2280
01:47:06,040 --> 01:47:07,160
Speaker 1: jo g P was.

2281
01:47:07,880 --> 01:47:15,600
Speaker 2: But that's back when everything was super ice. You and

2282
01:47:15,720 --> 01:47:19,240
Speaker 2: shack had the Dolliggs breakfast. I've ever seen it. They

2283
01:47:19,280 --> 01:47:24,000
Speaker 2: had I stout shackles listen, you ain't ever seen a

2284
01:47:24,080 --> 01:47:24,760
Speaker 2: bracelet this.

2285
01:47:24,960 --> 01:47:27,200
Speaker 4: Stick against.

2286
01:47:29,160 --> 01:47:29,599
Speaker 1: That one too.

2287
01:47:30,560 --> 01:47:32,800
Speaker 2: I'm gonna let them all down soon and hand it off.

2288
01:47:32,880 --> 01:47:35,920
Speaker 4: My one claim the fame, My one claim the fame

2289
01:47:36,080 --> 01:47:38,160
Speaker 4: is that I got him to buy the Jason Watch

2290
01:47:38,280 --> 01:47:41,840
Speaker 4: to do namies, even though look in true libert Rotti

2291
01:47:41,920 --> 01:47:45,840
Speaker 4: fashion and true enough he no, no, no, I came.

2292
01:47:46,160 --> 01:47:49,320
Speaker 4: I came with one, and he jumped over the jump

2293
01:47:49,360 --> 01:47:51,759
Speaker 4: man with man. He said, oh, I see your risks.

2294
01:47:51,800 --> 01:47:54,120
Speaker 4: He said, his bracelet is nice. I don't want man

2295
01:47:54,160 --> 01:47:56,040
Speaker 4: like that. He said, I want the whole bracelet to

2296
01:47:56,040 --> 01:47:59,240
Speaker 4: be invisibles. No nothing, you know what I'm talking about.

2297
01:47:59,280 --> 01:48:01,559
Speaker 4: The big joint with the floating diamonds. I got the

2298
01:48:01,560 --> 01:48:02,800
Speaker 4: floating diamonds.

2299
01:48:02,400 --> 01:48:05,280
Speaker 1: Just like the man. Ain't no joints. The man would have.

2300
01:48:05,240 --> 01:48:07,400
Speaker 2: Got the whole joint with the We had the little

2301
01:48:07,720 --> 01:48:09,040
Speaker 2: in the middle going down the thing.

2302
01:48:09,040 --> 01:48:12,800
Speaker 4: Ain't he ain't got none that, no float everything invisible

2303
01:48:12,920 --> 01:48:14,799
Speaker 4: joints and bigger diamonds on the face.

2304
01:48:15,200 --> 01:48:17,599
Speaker 2: I said, man, this is we all. We're all young.

2305
01:48:17,680 --> 01:48:20,880
Speaker 2: Back then we were no flex on them. But then

2306
01:48:20,920 --> 01:48:23,320
Speaker 2: realize like, damn, man, so we got old. He's like,

2307
01:48:23,439 --> 01:48:25,640
Speaker 2: that's why I still got all that ship now I do.

2308
01:48:25,880 --> 01:48:28,479
Speaker 2: I'm literally I'm at some point I'm gonna melt it

2309
01:48:28,520 --> 01:48:31,840
Speaker 2: all down and give it to my son.

2310
01:48:31,360 --> 01:48:34,519
Speaker 3: You ain't gonna just blessing with one of the change like, man,

2311
01:48:34,560 --> 01:48:36,760
Speaker 3: this is you. I met the rest, but this one

2312
01:48:36,800 --> 01:48:37,600
Speaker 3: I want you to have.

2313
01:48:37,920 --> 01:48:39,880
Speaker 2: I don't know if his hands is like that check

2314
01:48:39,920 --> 01:48:42,120
Speaker 2: because he wear that protected.

2315
01:48:42,240 --> 01:48:45,439
Speaker 1: He can't protect it. So I got to make sure

2316
01:48:45,479 --> 01:48:46,400
Speaker 1: his hands nice.

2317
01:48:46,600 --> 01:48:47,120
Speaker 4: Why I do that?

2318
01:48:47,320 --> 01:48:47,439
Speaker 2: Now?

2319
01:48:47,600 --> 01:48:51,080
Speaker 1: Training all the water up? You play.

2320
01:48:51,200 --> 01:48:53,320
Speaker 3: We got you to play with a lot of teammates.

2321
01:48:53,320 --> 01:48:54,720
Speaker 3: You've been on a lot of teams. You had a

2322
01:48:54,760 --> 01:48:55,480
Speaker 3: lot of teammates.

2323
01:48:55,680 --> 01:48:56,320
Speaker 1: If you had to.

2324
01:48:56,280 --> 01:48:59,920
Speaker 3: Put four other players, no matter what team you had,

2325
01:49:00,080 --> 01:49:03,360
Speaker 3: put four other players with you, who would beat them?

2326
01:49:03,360 --> 01:49:06,960
Speaker 1: Four other players? You've got some step in there, you

2327
01:49:07,080 --> 01:49:10,599
Speaker 1: got some, Reggie, you got some. You got some on

2328
01:49:10,600 --> 01:49:11,040
Speaker 1: one team.

2329
01:49:11,160 --> 01:49:13,080
Speaker 3: On one team, you had to pick four other players

2330
01:49:13,080 --> 01:49:15,880
Speaker 3: to play with you. Out of all the teams, one

2331
01:49:16,600 --> 01:49:18,360
Speaker 3: shed Wallace will be one.

2332
01:49:20,000 --> 01:49:24,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, obviously Steph would be one step point.

2333
01:49:25,200 --> 01:49:27,240
Speaker 4: How mean I mean? How many players? I get four?

2334
01:49:28,400 --> 01:49:28,920
Speaker 4: Only four?

2335
01:49:29,280 --> 01:49:32,240
Speaker 2: There's the starting five is you and four more players?

2336
01:49:32,520 --> 01:49:35,120
Speaker 2: Need I need a sub to give me two subs?

2337
01:49:34,880 --> 01:49:35,040
Speaker 1: There?

2338
01:49:36,080 --> 01:49:36,800
Speaker 4: Give me two subs.

2339
01:49:36,800 --> 01:49:37,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go.

2340
01:49:37,920 --> 01:49:46,880
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go rich she Steph. I know when the

2341
01:49:47,000 --> 01:49:52,840
Speaker 4: subs gonna be bonds. Uh so that I was thinking.

2342
01:49:51,720 --> 01:49:53,799
Speaker 1: Just because it gotta be there. You know. That's just

2343
01:49:53,840 --> 01:49:56,920
Speaker 1: you know. But I'm gonna I'm gonna leave Bonzie off.

2344
01:49:57,120 --> 01:49:57,960
Speaker 4: So he was close.

2345
01:49:58,000 --> 01:49:59,880
Speaker 2: I'm gonna leave off this. You know, that's that's my brother.

2346
01:50:01,520 --> 01:50:04,320
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go. Uh, I'm gonna go.

2347
01:50:05,080 --> 01:50:08,360
Speaker 1: You got Clay Tom That's ridiculous. So I'm gonna go.

2348
01:50:08,360 --> 01:50:09,480
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go.

2349
01:50:10,400 --> 01:50:17,479
Speaker 1: Ooh we got Oldo, you got you got ticket piers.

2350
01:50:18,160 --> 01:50:26,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh shock too Yeah, Old Neeil and O Neil associates.

2351
01:50:31,479 --> 01:50:33,960
Speaker 2: I can't wait to hear that D way D right

2352
01:50:34,080 --> 01:50:35,880
Speaker 2: you d I can't wait till y'all just hear that

2353
01:50:35,960 --> 01:50:39,760
Speaker 2: quote when I said, oh, Neil and know Neil associates like,

2354
01:50:40,360 --> 01:50:42,599
Speaker 2: do a thing. When I do that on my team thing,

2355
01:50:44,200 --> 01:50:45,040
Speaker 2: they all don't.

2356
01:50:44,880 --> 01:50:45,360
Speaker 1: Know you can do it.

2357
01:50:48,080 --> 01:50:50,000
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go, Holo, I'm gonna go. If we're talking

2358
01:50:50,000 --> 01:50:54,600
Speaker 2: about prime players, prime your best find, you got a

2359
01:50:54,600 --> 01:50:56,599
Speaker 2: hell of it. You gotta you can go six seventy

2360
01:50:56,880 --> 01:50:59,960
Speaker 2: no six seven eight nine ten deep brothers. He got right,

2361
01:51:00,040 --> 01:51:04,400
Speaker 2: he got Paul Got, you got shoot, he got Reggie got,

2362
01:51:04,600 --> 01:51:14,280
Speaker 2: I got the best shooters Ray. That's what I'm saying.

2363
01:51:13,720 --> 01:51:16,960
Speaker 2: I'm not going to answer this question. I'm gonna be

2364
01:51:17,000 --> 01:51:19,800
Speaker 2: doing some of these these great players that on the

2365
01:51:19,840 --> 01:51:22,040
Speaker 2: whole top Listen, he got all and we can round

2366
01:51:22,040 --> 01:51:25,439
Speaker 2: them out with clear cut toughness with with Tickets, with

2367
01:51:25,600 --> 01:51:27,560
Speaker 2: she with hald Herrington.

2368
01:51:27,960 --> 01:51:31,439
Speaker 3: We just have to line up the poke with folks

2369
01:51:31,479 --> 01:51:34,080
Speaker 3: to put together of their old teammates. And they were like, yeah,

2370
01:51:34,080 --> 01:51:36,160
Speaker 3: if I can just choose for to play with me

2371
01:51:36,640 --> 01:51:37,679
Speaker 3: the lineup of crazy.

2372
01:51:37,760 --> 01:51:39,559
Speaker 1: J T just had a line up where it.

2373
01:51:39,479 --> 01:51:47,680
Speaker 3: Was Joannis lebron it was it was Johannis, Dirk and KG.

2374
01:51:47,960 --> 01:51:50,960
Speaker 3: It was Joanna's Dirt k that's crazy in itself and

2375
01:51:51,040 --> 01:51:53,519
Speaker 3: him and who who's.

2376
01:51:53,280 --> 01:51:53,760
Speaker 1: The other guard?

2377
01:51:56,280 --> 01:52:00,280
Speaker 3: J Kidd? So j Kidd, Janni's Dirk and KG. That

2378
01:52:00,400 --> 01:52:03,160
Speaker 3: was his all time team. He's still he played with

2379
01:52:03,320 --> 01:52:04,360
Speaker 3: He didn't play with Lebronn.

2380
01:52:04,520 --> 01:52:06,200
Speaker 1: He played with James Harden and the White House.

2381
01:52:06,280 --> 01:52:07,960
Speaker 4: That is right, James Harden and the white could have

2382
01:52:08,000 --> 01:52:08,720
Speaker 4: been on there, Like.

2383
01:52:08,680 --> 01:52:12,400
Speaker 1: What damn, that's a crazy lineup.

2384
01:52:12,680 --> 01:52:15,960
Speaker 3: It is Drive Nation Sports. You know what I'm saying.

2385
01:52:15,960 --> 01:52:19,280
Speaker 3: You started build a facility. You know what I'm saying

2386
01:52:19,280 --> 01:52:20,400
Speaker 3: for the kids in Dallas.

2387
01:52:20,439 --> 01:52:27,000
Speaker 1: You know he built an oasis. Boy built up. We

2388
01:52:27,040 --> 01:52:28,720
Speaker 1: played in facilities when we grew up.

2389
01:52:28,920 --> 01:52:35,200
Speaker 3: He been a compound a compound boy. But you know,

2390
01:52:35,520 --> 01:52:38,479
Speaker 3: you resigned Dallas. You know you're giving back to the community,

2391
01:52:38,479 --> 01:52:41,880
Speaker 3: and you built something that that kids has already been

2392
01:52:41,920 --> 01:52:46,240
Speaker 3: successful at coming up, volleyball, basketball for a farm. My

2393
01:52:46,800 --> 01:52:49,559
Speaker 3: son actually played in a tournament, you know with t Max,

2394
01:52:49,600 --> 01:52:53,360
Speaker 3: AAU team in the facilities. But how is that to

2395
01:52:53,479 --> 01:52:55,920
Speaker 3: create that and build that in the city that you

2396
01:52:56,040 --> 01:52:59,360
Speaker 3: reside in, to bring something to Dallas, bring something different

2397
01:52:59,360 --> 01:53:00,839
Speaker 3: to Dallas into the table.

2398
01:53:01,960 --> 01:53:04,479
Speaker 2: So man, honestly, when I did that, bro, I didn't

2399
01:53:04,479 --> 01:53:07,920
Speaker 2: even know what I was doing. I knew I needed

2400
01:53:07,920 --> 01:53:10,120
Speaker 2: something for my daughter at the time because she was scaling.

2401
01:53:10,160 --> 01:53:12,479
Speaker 2: So you know, obviously Dallas so big, everything thirty five

2402
01:53:12,560 --> 01:53:15,080
Speaker 2: forty minutes away, you know, both ways, no matter where

2403
01:53:15,080 --> 01:53:17,479
Speaker 2: you go. And so I was like, man, let me go,

2404
01:53:17,600 --> 01:53:19,040
Speaker 2: let me go look at some of these other facilities.

2405
01:53:19,040 --> 01:53:21,080
Speaker 2: I'm looking at these facilities. I said, well, the only

2406
01:53:21,120 --> 01:53:23,599
Speaker 2: thing that I recognize is we do everything under one

2407
01:53:23,640 --> 01:53:27,040
Speaker 2: roof as pros outside if we break something we've got

2408
01:53:27,040 --> 01:53:29,280
Speaker 2: to go to the hospital. But everything's under one roof.

2409
01:53:30,120 --> 01:53:31,519
Speaker 2: So I said, let me, let me go try to

2410
01:53:31,520 --> 01:53:34,040
Speaker 2: build something. I built that and then it dwarfed into

2411
01:53:34,160 --> 01:53:36,280
Speaker 2: this two thousand plus kids scenario.

2412
01:53:36,479 --> 01:53:37,160
Speaker 4: Right, we got set.

2413
01:53:37,200 --> 01:53:40,200
Speaker 2: We got seventy not including this year's class seventy seven

2414
01:53:40,200 --> 01:53:44,160
Speaker 2: Divisional athletes. Seventy seven we have and this is our

2415
01:53:44,200 --> 01:53:46,360
Speaker 2: fifth year. We got four players that are in the

2416
01:53:46,439 --> 01:53:49,439
Speaker 2: NBER right now, and that is Touchdown and Drive Nation.

2417
01:53:49,520 --> 01:53:55,080
Speaker 2: Whether it's Kay Cunningham, Terrees, Maxi, RJ. Hampton, and Jamias

2418
01:53:55,160 --> 01:53:57,600
Speaker 2: Ramsey are all kids that you know, I had a

2419
01:53:57,720 --> 01:53:59,640
Speaker 2: chance to coach, right and then you know, obviously we

2420
01:53:59,640 --> 01:54:02,519
Speaker 2: got some kids coming with you, Timmy from Gonzaga coming

2421
01:54:02,560 --> 01:54:05,479
Speaker 2: this year, got some other kids that you know, Avery

2422
01:54:05,520 --> 01:54:07,439
Speaker 2: Anderson I think is gonna be a pro after this year.

2423
01:54:07,479 --> 01:54:09,200
Speaker 4: But the biggest thing for me is.

2424
01:54:09,160 --> 01:54:14,439
Speaker 2: Like I like, I'm a believer in and impact. So

2425
01:54:14,760 --> 01:54:19,360
Speaker 2: x Man came into a gym when I was eleven

2426
01:54:19,439 --> 01:54:19,960
Speaker 2: years old.

2427
01:54:20,600 --> 01:54:24,040
Speaker 4: Xavier mcdain, x Man, I'm just saying it for the people.

2428
01:54:24,280 --> 01:54:26,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, So he came into a gym, and man, he

2429
01:54:26,360 --> 01:54:28,800
Speaker 2: changed everything about what we thought was inner city gym

2430
01:54:28,960 --> 01:54:32,040
Speaker 2: came and got twenty four kids that he didn't even know, right,

2431
01:54:32,120 --> 01:54:34,720
Speaker 2: took us out to his house. I didn't know that

2432
01:54:34,720 --> 01:54:36,440
Speaker 2: that living, that type of living was in my own

2433
01:54:38,760 --> 01:54:41,560
Speaker 2: like the house on the hill, blake in the backyard,

2434
01:54:42,760 --> 01:54:45,080
Speaker 2: the biggest house in the world. And I was I

2435
01:54:45,120 --> 01:54:47,680
Speaker 2: was struggling a little bit because what I saw on

2436
01:54:47,720 --> 01:54:51,600
Speaker 2: television didn't translate translate to what I was sitting in person.

2437
01:54:51,640 --> 01:54:54,280
Speaker 2: Right on television, it's like everybody else but a black

2438
01:54:54,320 --> 01:54:57,200
Speaker 2: man is going to be living like that. So he

2439
01:54:57,280 --> 01:54:59,880
Speaker 2: ended up loso Sure, he ended up taking on the team,

2440
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:01,520
Speaker 2: and he was telling us that we can be whatever

2441
01:55:01,560 --> 01:55:03,800
Speaker 2: we want to be. Right, So he started putting his

2442
01:55:03,840 --> 01:55:08,320
Speaker 2: imprint on thought processes. So when I so fast track

2443
01:55:08,400 --> 01:55:12,000
Speaker 2: that to drive, I'm giving all tools and information. In

2444
01:55:12,040 --> 01:55:14,880
Speaker 2: many cases in our in our areas, we lack right

2445
01:55:14,920 --> 01:55:18,120
Speaker 2: on what that process should look like. Right, don't nobody

2446
01:55:18,200 --> 01:55:20,879
Speaker 2: give a fuck about your feelings. Right, it's about production

2447
01:55:21,240 --> 01:55:25,800
Speaker 2: and it's about outcome, right, playing hard, failing which people

2448
01:55:25,800 --> 01:55:28,080
Speaker 2: don't want their kids to fail nowadays, for whatever reason,

2449
01:55:28,320 --> 01:55:31,520
Speaker 2: fellas failing and succeeding as well. Give you a template,

2450
01:55:32,120 --> 01:55:34,480
Speaker 2: and so we've made that become you know, the first

2451
01:55:34,520 --> 01:55:36,280
Speaker 2: two years I didn't necessarily know what it was. It

2452
01:55:36,320 --> 01:55:37,760
Speaker 2: was just a bunch of kids. I'm trying to figure

2453
01:55:37,800 --> 01:55:40,640
Speaker 2: out the people I'm new to, new to Dallas, and

2454
01:55:40,680 --> 01:55:42,200
Speaker 2: you know, trying to figure out who's good for me

2455
01:55:42,240 --> 01:55:45,360
Speaker 2: who's not. But now we're rolling like we know what

2456
01:55:45,480 --> 01:55:47,960
Speaker 2: it is, right, it's a standard to it right to

2457
01:55:48,120 --> 01:55:49,920
Speaker 2: I spend a lot of my personal time, and I

2458
01:55:49,920 --> 01:55:51,440
Speaker 2: have my other businesses and stuff, but I spend a

2459
01:55:51,440 --> 01:55:54,160
Speaker 2: lot of my personal time, you know, dealing with these kids.

2460
01:55:54,200 --> 01:55:55,680
Speaker 2: You know, when I leave from here tonight, I'm going

2461
01:55:55,680 --> 01:55:58,440
Speaker 2: to coach a team, right and I'm in the gym

2462
01:55:58,520 --> 01:56:00,320
Speaker 2: telling these people about what it's supposed to look like.

2463
01:56:00,360 --> 01:56:01,600
Speaker 2: Now it's up to them, but they want to take

2464
01:56:01,600 --> 01:56:03,920
Speaker 2: the information or not. But you know, we believe that

2465
01:56:03,920 --> 01:56:07,800
Speaker 2: we're one of the best organization in the country. We're

2466
01:56:07,840 --> 01:56:10,800
Speaker 2: probably one of the largest ones in the country, you know,

2467
01:56:10,880 --> 01:56:14,760
Speaker 2: by you know, by by many means. But hopefully these

2468
01:56:14,840 --> 01:56:18,200
Speaker 2: kids can do take the same storyline and say, you know,

2469
01:56:18,240 --> 01:56:20,640
Speaker 2: I played for a guy that used to play basketball.

2470
01:56:21,360 --> 01:56:24,200
Speaker 2: He poured into us as kids and our families. Now

2471
01:56:24,200 --> 01:56:25,520
Speaker 2: IM gonna give it back, you know, I'm gonna pay

2472
01:56:25,560 --> 01:56:25,920
Speaker 2: it forward.

2473
01:56:26,320 --> 01:56:29,640
Speaker 3: What what what? What is it about Dallas, like because

2474
01:56:29,640 --> 01:56:33,560
Speaker 3: you didn't play in Dallas. Your old lady from Portland like, like,

2475
01:56:33,640 --> 01:56:35,960
Speaker 3: what is about Dallas that y'all was like, Yeah, Dallas

2476
01:56:36,040 --> 01:56:38,480
Speaker 3: is the spot, and not only is the spot, We're

2477
01:56:38,520 --> 01:56:40,160
Speaker 3: going to put our imprint on this city.

2478
01:56:40,440 --> 01:56:45,080
Speaker 2: State taxes, No state taxes was one, but the damn

2479
01:56:45,120 --> 01:56:49,000
Speaker 2: property taxes starting to creep up on us. I'm gonna

2480
01:56:49,040 --> 01:56:50,480
Speaker 2: be honest, it was the Cowboys.

2481
01:56:50,880 --> 01:56:51,960
Speaker 1: What that's right?

2482
01:56:55,480 --> 01:57:05,120
Speaker 4: Right? Rejoicing it because I want many bets against him.

2483
01:57:05,880 --> 01:57:07,880
Speaker 4: I had a lot of joints in case at his

2484
01:57:08,000 --> 01:57:08,600
Speaker 4: expense and.

2485
01:57:08,760 --> 01:57:11,560
Speaker 2: D right, be right, and you watching this listen, you

2486
01:57:11,600 --> 01:57:14,800
Speaker 2: know Jay Jones, I've been in a lot of argument,

2487
01:57:14,840 --> 01:57:18,200
Speaker 2: a lot a lot of arguments, and he's been seeing

2488
01:57:18,240 --> 01:57:21,280
Speaker 2: thathing because of y'all. Sometimes to listen, I've had a

2489
01:57:21,320 --> 01:57:27,400
Speaker 2: lot of discrontal arguments leaving the stadiumru so listen. So

2490
01:57:27,440 --> 01:57:29,160
Speaker 2: we so I want to be a season ticket holder.

2491
01:57:29,920 --> 01:57:32,080
Speaker 2: So we go to the games and brouh, I don't

2492
01:57:32,080 --> 01:57:33,480
Speaker 2: want to hear ship after the game.

2493
01:57:33,480 --> 01:57:34,120
Speaker 4: I'm so mad.

2494
01:57:34,200 --> 01:57:36,560
Speaker 2: Don't talk to me and it's causing problems in my

2495
01:57:36,680 --> 01:57:39,560
Speaker 2: in my marriage. I'm like, don't don't talk to me

2496
01:57:39,640 --> 01:57:41,760
Speaker 2: right now, right, and so it's been it's been one

2497
01:57:41,760 --> 01:57:44,280
Speaker 2: of those things where it has not paid me back

2498
01:57:44,280 --> 01:57:48,040
Speaker 2: from a perspective of investment in season tickets, but big

2499
01:57:48,080 --> 01:57:50,320
Speaker 2: Cowboys fan, I think that. I think Dallas is a

2500
01:57:50,320 --> 01:57:51,960
Speaker 2: good place to raise a family. Has been great from

2501
01:57:52,000 --> 01:57:55,040
Speaker 2: a from a school standpoint for my kids, and I

2502
01:57:55,080 --> 01:57:56,800
Speaker 2: just think I can continue to build from that. You know,

2503
01:57:56,880 --> 01:57:59,560
Speaker 2: businesses new agency is going to be brick and mortar

2504
01:57:59,600 --> 01:58:01,400
Speaker 2: is going to be here in dollars as well, So

2505
01:58:01,720 --> 01:58:02,600
Speaker 2: I'm excited about that.

2506
01:58:02,640 --> 01:58:04,640
Speaker 1: And shout out to Zeke Saint Louis boy.

2507
01:58:06,360 --> 01:58:07,840
Speaker 4: I don't even want to talk about a cat, but

2508
01:58:07,920 --> 01:58:10,120
Speaker 4: what I want to do is give you your flowers, man,

2509
01:58:10,160 --> 01:58:14,000
Speaker 4: because I appreciate you with all the success, all of

2510
01:58:14,040 --> 01:58:16,280
Speaker 4: the money you made and everything you got going on.

2511
01:58:16,400 --> 01:58:20,440
Speaker 4: Like for you to invest your time forget about I

2512
01:58:20,520 --> 01:58:22,120
Speaker 4: know you put money into but a lot of people

2513
01:58:22,160 --> 01:58:24,880
Speaker 4: do things money. To me, it's more important and more impactful,

2514
01:58:24,920 --> 01:58:27,120
Speaker 4: Like you say, when you invest your time, when you

2515
01:58:27,200 --> 01:58:30,480
Speaker 4: show up and you there, you putting into the kids

2516
01:58:30,520 --> 01:58:33,280
Speaker 4: and pouring into them and giving your time and your

2517
01:58:33,320 --> 01:58:35,560
Speaker 4: experiences and sharing stuff with them and try and make

2518
01:58:35,600 --> 01:58:38,640
Speaker 4: them better. To me, that's you know, for guys, it's

2519
01:58:38,640 --> 01:58:41,120
Speaker 4: in your situation. It's got all the money and got

2520
01:58:41,120 --> 01:58:43,040
Speaker 4: things do. You got family to deal with, but you

2521
01:58:43,120 --> 01:58:46,800
Speaker 4: still make it a point to make that part of

2522
01:58:46,840 --> 01:58:49,360
Speaker 4: your your mission to go and do for others and

2523
01:58:49,400 --> 01:58:51,960
Speaker 4: do for kids and to try and change situations that

2524
01:58:52,080 --> 01:58:54,600
Speaker 4: you saw your self experience and put put kids in

2525
01:58:54,640 --> 01:58:57,880
Speaker 4: better situations. Man, that's all. That's everything, bro. Like, it

2526
01:58:57,920 --> 01:59:00,800
Speaker 4: don't really get much bigger than that. That's the biggest

2527
01:59:00,840 --> 01:59:04,160
Speaker 4: selfless act you could do. And like you really created

2528
01:59:04,200 --> 01:59:06,080
Speaker 4: a whole oasis for these kids.

2529
01:59:06,120 --> 01:59:06,720
Speaker 1: Like you know what I'm saying.

2530
01:59:06,760 --> 01:59:08,960
Speaker 4: I haven't been there, but I've heard and I've seen

2531
01:59:09,040 --> 01:59:11,560
Speaker 4: so many different great things about the facility, And I

2532
01:59:11,640 --> 01:59:14,040
Speaker 4: know the type of facilities we grew up playing. Nowhere

2533
01:59:14,080 --> 01:59:18,440
Speaker 4: near close Like they planning like literally like the Portland Trailblaze,

2534
01:59:18,440 --> 01:59:21,480
Speaker 4: Paul and and Mark Cuban of AAU Sports and stuff.

2535
01:59:21,520 --> 01:59:23,480
Speaker 4: They getting the Krim Dealer Krim as close as it

2536
01:59:23,520 --> 01:59:27,320
Speaker 4: could be two pros, if not already at pro level

2537
01:59:27,320 --> 01:59:30,000
Speaker 4: with stuff. So for you to put your money in

2538
01:59:30,240 --> 01:59:33,160
Speaker 4: your family and y'all put your time into it, man,

2539
01:59:33,240 --> 01:59:37,000
Speaker 4: Like that's like br that's like priceless to do. And

2540
01:59:37,040 --> 01:59:39,640
Speaker 4: like I'm super super happy that you're doing. And I'm

2541
01:59:39,680 --> 01:59:42,360
Speaker 4: proud to be somebody a friend of yours the witness

2542
01:59:42,440 --> 01:59:45,000
Speaker 4: you're doing. And I know the impact that it's having

2543
01:59:45,440 --> 01:59:47,880
Speaker 4: on people like us because it's putting them in a

2544
01:59:47,960 --> 01:59:51,360
Speaker 4: safe environment, a positive environment, somewhere they could really grow

2545
01:59:51,440 --> 01:59:55,080
Speaker 4: and become something. And like I say, man, people like

2546
01:59:55,160 --> 01:59:58,160
Speaker 4: us has been through, we been through and experienceive experience.

2547
01:59:58,200 --> 02:00:00,720
Speaker 4: We got a wealth of knowledge to pass on and

2548
02:00:00,760 --> 02:00:03,000
Speaker 4: for you to be there in real time, on the

2549
02:00:03,160 --> 02:00:05,600
Speaker 4: on the spot doing it for them, like it can't

2550
02:00:05,600 --> 02:00:07,720
Speaker 4: come from a better source. Somebody has been through what

2551
02:00:07,800 --> 02:00:09,600
Speaker 4: you've been through and got all the experience that you've

2552
02:00:09,600 --> 02:00:13,120
Speaker 4: got and been where you've been, Like, it's.

2553
02:00:12,400 --> 02:00:14,800
Speaker 2: Real to try to pay it forward, man, And God said,

2554
02:00:14,840 --> 02:00:16,440
Speaker 2: if you do things who hardly you're gonna give it

2555
02:00:16,440 --> 02:00:18,960
Speaker 2: back to your hundred folds, right. I don't do it.

2556
02:00:19,040 --> 02:00:21,440
Speaker 2: I don't, honestly, this is the truth. I don't even

2557
02:00:21,480 --> 02:00:24,280
Speaker 2: pay myself. I'm not. I haven't paid myself a dollar.

2558
02:00:24,800 --> 02:00:26,720
Speaker 2: And I run that thing my management team needs to

2559
02:00:26,800 --> 02:00:29,720
Speaker 2: me every morning Monday through Friday's eleven am. Right, if

2560
02:00:29,760 --> 02:00:31,760
Speaker 2: I ain't in town, I'm gonna be on that call.

2561
02:00:31,800 --> 02:00:31,960
Speaker 4: Right.

2562
02:00:31,960 --> 02:00:34,120
Speaker 2: And so the idea really is is if we can

2563
02:00:34,480 --> 02:00:36,920
Speaker 2: continue to impact these communities. Man, we're gonna all the

2564
02:00:36,920 --> 02:00:38,760
Speaker 2: issues that we started to see in our communities. Many

2565
02:00:38,760 --> 02:00:41,360
Speaker 2: these kids will never be pros. That's why, right, the

2566
02:00:41,440 --> 02:00:43,040
Speaker 2: majority of them will never be pros. So it's not

2567
02:00:43,080 --> 02:00:46,320
Speaker 2: about that. So it's about getting them educated, getting them

2568
02:00:46,320 --> 02:00:49,480
Speaker 2: to school for free scholars right, get a scholarship and

2569
02:00:49,480 --> 02:00:51,680
Speaker 2: they can take all the information, all that opportunity to

2570
02:00:51,720 --> 02:00:53,280
Speaker 2: give back to the communities, and then we'll be in

2571
02:00:53,280 --> 02:00:53,800
Speaker 2: a better place.

2572
02:00:53,840 --> 02:00:55,000
Speaker 4: Bro when we come down to it.

2573
02:00:55,280 --> 02:00:57,800
Speaker 3: Tell my kids, man, free they're giving out free scholarships.

2574
02:00:57,800 --> 02:00:59,880
Speaker 3: If you messed rouck with this, Jay, you can decide what.

2575
02:01:00,080 --> 02:01:00,440
Speaker 1: You want to be.

2576
02:01:00,480 --> 02:01:02,880
Speaker 3: My son said he wanted to be an actor, and

2577
02:01:02,920 --> 02:01:04,560
Speaker 3: I told him that's cool. I said, but why don't

2578
02:01:04,560 --> 02:01:06,840
Speaker 3: you play this basketball? Get you a free scholarship and

2579
02:01:06,840 --> 02:01:11,000
Speaker 3: amazing acting. You know what I'm saying. Like it might

2580
02:01:11,040 --> 02:01:12,720
Speaker 3: not be the route. I'm just not going to send

2581
02:01:12,760 --> 02:01:15,360
Speaker 3: you to act in school, but if you take it

2582
02:01:15,360 --> 02:01:18,120
Speaker 3: another that don't mean your route is closed. Take it

2583
02:01:18,120 --> 02:01:22,040
Speaker 3: a whole other route and get it done. Two thousand

2584
02:01:22,080 --> 02:01:24,720
Speaker 3: and one All NBA Team, two thousand and two All

2585
02:01:24,800 --> 02:01:28,800
Speaker 3: third NBA Team two thousand and three, second All NBA

2586
02:01:28,920 --> 02:01:32,120
Speaker 3: Team two thousand and four, second All NBA Team Most Improved,

2587
02:01:32,720 --> 02:01:37,800
Speaker 3: six six All Stars, three times USA member.

2588
02:01:38,520 --> 02:01:40,480
Speaker 1: Just your accomplishment, your domin.

2589
02:01:40,760 --> 02:01:45,360
Speaker 4: Four times boy community. Yeah, phone like.

2590
02:01:45,800 --> 02:01:48,320
Speaker 3: Your dominance, Like that's one of the reasons, Like you're

2591
02:01:48,440 --> 02:01:51,400
Speaker 3: one of my favorite players. Like and I always just

2592
02:01:51,480 --> 02:01:53,840
Speaker 3: like the underdoults, the players that they don't talk about

2593
02:01:53,960 --> 02:01:56,520
Speaker 3: as much and might not be the most popular, but

2594
02:01:57,400 --> 02:01:59,680
Speaker 3: man like, dude was a dog, like you are one

2595
02:01:59,680 --> 02:02:03,360
Speaker 3: of them. You one my favorite player, especially on and

2596
02:02:03,920 --> 02:02:06,520
Speaker 3: But just just speak about your dominance, man, Like what

2597
02:02:06,680 --> 02:02:08,600
Speaker 3: you the work you to put it. You can look

2598
02:02:08,640 --> 02:02:10,960
Speaker 3: back on it now and see, like, man, I put

2599
02:02:11,040 --> 02:02:14,120
Speaker 3: it in work and I bust your favorite players.

2600
02:02:14,760 --> 02:02:15,520
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

2601
02:02:17,680 --> 02:02:18,920
Speaker 4: Listen, I definitely appreciate that.

2602
02:02:19,000 --> 02:02:20,960
Speaker 2: But I think really from that in that area, like

2603
02:02:21,000 --> 02:02:23,840
Speaker 2: I was just again, it was more about proving myself

2604
02:02:23,880 --> 02:02:24,600
Speaker 2: every single night.

2605
02:02:25,000 --> 02:02:27,560
Speaker 4: And I remember my coach, my high coach coach them

2606
02:02:27,680 --> 02:02:27,960
Speaker 4: saying this.

2607
02:02:28,000 --> 02:02:29,720
Speaker 2: He said, remember, every time you go into a game,

2608
02:02:29,760 --> 02:02:33,080
Speaker 2: it's at least one person who's never seen you play before, right,

2609
02:02:33,120 --> 02:02:35,320
Speaker 2: and so you have to leave leave that perception, and

2610
02:02:35,360 --> 02:02:37,840
Speaker 2: you have the opportunity to control your narrative when it

2611
02:02:37,840 --> 02:02:40,360
Speaker 2: comes to that. And so my idea was, Okay, you know,

2612
02:02:40,440 --> 02:02:43,160
Speaker 2: I got to be to control both sides of the floor, right.

2613
02:02:43,200 --> 02:02:44,800
Speaker 2: I got to be a shop block. I got a rebound.

2614
02:02:44,840 --> 02:02:46,200
Speaker 2: I got to be a switch. You know, I gotta

2615
02:02:46,200 --> 02:02:47,640
Speaker 2: be do those type of things. And I got a

2616
02:02:47,680 --> 02:02:50,680
Speaker 2: score and a lot of it. Really, really, I don't

2617
02:02:50,680 --> 02:02:52,360
Speaker 2: know if I don't know, if I you've ever heard

2618
02:02:52,400 --> 02:02:55,600
Speaker 2: me say this. I used to go to some my

2619
02:02:55,640 --> 02:02:57,880
Speaker 2: hostle coach I was going back to coach them because

2620
02:02:57,880 --> 02:02:59,880
Speaker 2: he always had something for me all the time. He said,

2621
02:03:00,000 --> 02:03:03,520
Speaker 2: I remember high school, said find something that allows you

2622
02:03:03,600 --> 02:03:06,040
Speaker 2: to get an edge. So I go to the fucking

2623
02:03:06,120 --> 02:03:11,040
Speaker 2: jump ball circle and I stare at him and if

2624
02:03:11,040 --> 02:03:12,760
Speaker 2: they didn't look, if they didn't look me back in

2625
02:03:12,800 --> 02:03:18,280
Speaker 2: my eyes, I'm gonna dog his ass tonight. If he

2626
02:03:18,440 --> 02:03:21,600
Speaker 2: stirred me back, I was just back out of the circle,

2627
02:03:22,240 --> 02:03:23,400
Speaker 2: lace my shoes up tighter.

2628
02:03:24,000 --> 02:03:26,000
Speaker 4: So I got something. I got something to proved ready

2629
02:03:26,040 --> 02:03:26,560
Speaker 4: to go. Right.

2630
02:03:26,600 --> 02:03:29,840
Speaker 2: But again, in that era where people were trying to

2631
02:03:30,000 --> 02:03:35,000
Speaker 2: give acculades out to people that are their favorite player,

2632
02:03:35,320 --> 02:03:37,600
Speaker 2: I felt like I needed to prove myself every single

2633
02:03:37,680 --> 02:03:40,120
Speaker 2: night and think about it. I was doing this. This

2634
02:03:40,320 --> 02:03:44,839
Speaker 2: was my whole process. It's proving myself, proving myself, proving myself.

2635
02:03:44,880 --> 02:03:47,400
Speaker 2: So it became natural. Then it came to a point

2636
02:03:47,400 --> 02:03:49,760
Speaker 2: where I just felt like the respect was starting to

2637
02:03:49,760 --> 02:03:52,240
Speaker 2: be there, right that. You know, you know the eight

2638
02:03:52,320 --> 02:03:55,280
Speaker 2: years that I was I think average nineteen almost twenty

2639
02:03:55,320 --> 02:03:57,280
Speaker 2: a game, you know for eight years.

2640
02:03:57,640 --> 02:03:59,720
Speaker 3: Let me ask you this, like this ain't got nothing

2641
02:03:59,760 --> 02:04:01,880
Speaker 3: to do because you ain't one of them. What makes

2642
02:04:01,920 --> 02:04:04,120
Speaker 3: you took so much pride in defense because you know

2643
02:04:04,120 --> 02:04:07,080
Speaker 3: we're a defenders. And what makes you took so much

2644
02:04:07,120 --> 02:04:09,760
Speaker 3: pride in defense the way you took pride because like,

2645
02:04:09,760 --> 02:04:14,600
Speaker 3: like you protected that basket so much that Indiana turned

2646
02:04:14,640 --> 02:04:16,959
Speaker 3: to a whole nother Like yeah, you had ran and

2647
02:04:17,160 --> 02:04:20,040
Speaker 3: Jack the ready to go on the perimeter, but she

2648
02:04:21,400 --> 02:04:22,400
Speaker 3: you know, it's hard.

2649
02:04:22,480 --> 02:04:23,480
Speaker 1: You can score on this league.

2650
02:04:23,520 --> 02:04:25,280
Speaker 3: It's a lot of great scores, but when they get

2651
02:04:25,280 --> 02:04:27,000
Speaker 3: to that basket, if you got a motherfucker down there,

2652
02:04:27,000 --> 02:04:29,000
Speaker 3: ain't having that shit, it makes it even more harder.

2653
02:04:29,200 --> 02:04:30,920
Speaker 2: List you, it was either you I was gonna block

2654
02:04:30,960 --> 02:04:32,840
Speaker 2: that shiit, You're gonna dunk that shit on. Yeah, that's

2655
02:04:32,880 --> 02:04:35,760
Speaker 2: the thought process, right, You got to be violent when

2656
02:04:35,800 --> 02:04:38,640
Speaker 2: you play. One of the things that I so I

2657
02:04:38,720 --> 02:04:40,640
Speaker 2: ended up breaking the state record in South Carolina and

2658
02:04:40,680 --> 02:04:44,480
Speaker 2: block shots. So one of I had to learn something

2659
02:04:44,880 --> 02:04:46,960
Speaker 2: to keep me on the court in high school first,

2660
02:04:47,000 --> 02:04:48,200
Speaker 2: and that was playing defense.

2661
02:04:48,400 --> 02:04:48,800
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2662
02:04:49,320 --> 02:04:53,400
Speaker 2: So so blocking shots became natural because people realize too.

2663
02:04:53,400 --> 02:04:56,720
Speaker 2: I write with both hands, so basically when people you

2664
02:04:56,760 --> 02:04:59,560
Speaker 2: know they're shooting righties, I'm on top of that right

2665
02:04:59,560 --> 02:05:01,440
Speaker 2: hand with that that hand, so I'm not going right

2666
02:05:01,440 --> 02:05:03,600
Speaker 2: against across the bodies. I blocked a lot more shots,

2667
02:05:03,600 --> 02:05:06,040
Speaker 2: but that ship to me, blocking the shot.

2668
02:05:05,920 --> 02:05:09,920
Speaker 3: Was like dunkan definitely will When you look back on

2669
02:05:09,960 --> 02:05:12,200
Speaker 3: that draft, do you feel like that ninety six draft

2670
02:05:12,240 --> 02:05:14,440
Speaker 3: is the best draft ever?

2671
02:05:14,960 --> 02:05:18,080
Speaker 2: I would say Jordan's draft was good. But when we

2672
02:05:18,120 --> 02:05:20,760
Speaker 2: talk about when people because people like to say Lebron's draft,

2673
02:05:20,840 --> 02:05:25,760
Speaker 2: but we're talking about player for playing the draft, yeah,

2674
02:05:27,680 --> 02:05:30,880
Speaker 2: because it's like nowhere to talk about, like y'all got

2675
02:05:30,920 --> 02:05:33,360
Speaker 2: an elite ass four or five, but then it like

2676
02:05:33,480 --> 02:05:35,280
Speaker 2: drop off tremendously.

2677
02:05:34,720 --> 02:05:36,320
Speaker 4: When I went undrafted.

2678
02:05:37,360 --> 02:05:38,640
Speaker 1: How was that slam picture?

2679
02:05:38,800 --> 02:05:44,840
Speaker 3: Like like all y'all, but like y'all, y'all look so hard.

2680
02:05:44,840 --> 02:05:48,760
Speaker 3: I look back broken behind his arm, like it was

2681
02:05:49,120 --> 02:05:50,920
Speaker 3: that picture is so dope to me and.

2682
02:05:50,800 --> 02:05:55,000
Speaker 2: Then you see it like that, that's like one of

2683
02:05:55,040 --> 02:05:58,000
Speaker 2: the Jokers photos. But like taking it was like it

2684
02:05:58,040 --> 02:06:00,240
Speaker 2: was different because like for me as a as a

2685
02:06:00,320 --> 02:06:03,080
Speaker 2: seventeen year old, I was like, damn, like I got said.

2686
02:06:03,240 --> 02:06:04,680
Speaker 2: I mean, the only person I knew it was Cold

2687
02:06:04,840 --> 02:06:07,120
Speaker 2: because me and Cold knew each other since we were twelve.

2688
02:06:08,360 --> 02:06:08,800
Speaker 1: On TV.

2689
02:06:08,920 --> 02:06:14,720
Speaker 2: I'm like, and it was one of those moments where

2690
02:06:14,760 --> 02:06:18,880
Speaker 2: when they brought everybody together, it was like this brabottle that.

2691
02:06:19,080 --> 02:06:21,200
Speaker 1: Is swags swag like they knew.

2692
02:06:21,240 --> 02:06:23,760
Speaker 2: It was like, literally, Bro, when we was taking ask

2693
02:06:23,840 --> 02:06:25,720
Speaker 2: anybody it was in that picture when he took that picture,

2694
02:06:25,760 --> 02:06:27,680
Speaker 2: it was like everybody knew this gonna be the best

2695
02:06:27,760 --> 02:06:30,160
Speaker 2: dressed group because.

2696
02:06:29,960 --> 02:06:32,360
Speaker 4: People were just like this and they were staring at that.

2697
02:06:32,440 --> 02:06:32,680
Speaker 1: Damn.

2698
02:06:32,720 --> 02:06:35,640
Speaker 2: It was no fucking around. They just people standing around

2699
02:06:35,680 --> 02:06:36,600
Speaker 2: and they said come together.

2700
02:06:36,640 --> 02:06:37,200
Speaker 4: It was like this.

2701
02:06:38,360 --> 02:06:41,480
Speaker 2: And you can tell that it was like players within

2702
02:06:41,520 --> 02:06:43,040
Speaker 2: the draft felt like they were better than.

2703
02:06:42,920 --> 02:06:43,640
Speaker 4: The other players.

2704
02:06:44,480 --> 02:06:47,200
Speaker 2: You feel like you felt like energy. Bro, And to

2705
02:06:47,200 --> 02:06:49,360
Speaker 2: this very day, man that that draft was just just

2706
02:06:49,400 --> 02:06:50,400
Speaker 2: a monster.

2707
02:06:50,120 --> 02:06:50,600
Speaker 4: Of a draft.

2708
02:06:50,640 --> 02:06:51,120
Speaker 1: Picture That.

2709
02:06:52,880 --> 02:06:56,520
Speaker 4: And iconic though, Bro, and I know that's something that

2710
02:06:57,560 --> 02:06:59,680
Speaker 4: the Chuck looked back on like why the fuck I

2711
02:06:59,720 --> 02:07:01,960
Speaker 4: missed you know what I'm saying, Like that's like one

2712
02:07:01,960 --> 02:07:03,760
Speaker 4: of them things like but when he was there was

2713
02:07:03,800 --> 02:07:05,440
Speaker 4: like I din't even go to this ship.

2714
02:07:05,440 --> 02:07:09,760
Speaker 2: It was like, but he looking back like I should

2715
02:07:09,760 --> 02:07:13,520
Speaker 2: have been in every year, every year.

2716
02:07:14,080 --> 02:07:18,400
Speaker 4: Every year. Shout out to the ninety six draft class.

2717
02:07:18,920 --> 02:07:22,640
Speaker 4: Talk about your relationship and how you know Cob and

2718
02:07:22,720 --> 02:07:26,440
Speaker 4: you know, obviously you know we lost him way too early.

2719
02:07:26,280 --> 02:07:27,720
Speaker 1: With a with a crazy situation.

2720
02:07:28,000 --> 02:07:31,240
Speaker 4: Talking about your your relationship with Cob and how everything

2721
02:07:31,400 --> 02:07:32,800
Speaker 4: is played out has impacted you.

2722
02:07:34,320 --> 02:07:37,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we I had a chance to meet Cob

2723
02:07:37,240 --> 02:07:41,040
Speaker 2: and really the the Brian family and shout out to

2724
02:07:41,040 --> 02:07:44,880
Speaker 2: the Brian family, Sha and Sharia shout out. You know

2725
02:07:45,240 --> 02:07:48,800
Speaker 2: we were we were young man, and to watch the

2726
02:07:48,840 --> 02:07:53,480
Speaker 2: progression of him. I remember even like going first couple

2727
02:07:53,520 --> 02:07:55,280
Speaker 2: of years in the league. Every time we went there,

2728
02:07:55,360 --> 02:07:59,720
Speaker 2: like miss mss missus Briant Cole's mother cooked dinner for

2729
02:07:59,840 --> 02:08:02,320
Speaker 2: us all the time. So it was like this crazy

2730
02:08:02,560 --> 02:08:05,760
Speaker 2: like relationship. And I remember when people were talking about

2731
02:08:05,800 --> 02:08:11,000
Speaker 2: like cold changed. I never felt like cold changed. Cob

2732
02:08:11,160 --> 02:08:14,240
Speaker 2: just buckled down into the thing that he loved, like

2733
02:08:14,480 --> 02:08:16,440
Speaker 2: basketball was his best friend.

2734
02:08:16,800 --> 02:08:17,880
Speaker 4: That'sh It's just the truth.

2735
02:08:18,040 --> 02:08:21,800
Speaker 2: Like he because he changed and he wasn't he wasn't

2736
02:08:21,800 --> 02:08:25,600
Speaker 2: accessible to other people, don't mean that he changed, right.

2737
02:08:25,800 --> 02:08:28,240
Speaker 2: You know what made him great is his ability to

2738
02:08:28,280 --> 02:08:31,280
Speaker 2: turn basketball in to his best friend. And you know,

2739
02:08:31,920 --> 02:08:33,240
Speaker 2: you know, one of the things that you know, I

2740
02:08:33,240 --> 02:08:36,360
Speaker 2: always say this, like when you get a chance to

2741
02:08:36,480 --> 02:08:40,280
Speaker 2: see somebody or talk to somebody, please do because the

2742
02:08:40,360 --> 02:08:43,880
Speaker 2: most interesting thing is that I had talked. So me

2743
02:08:43,880 --> 02:08:48,240
Speaker 2: and Kobe had talked maybe three or four weeks before

2744
02:08:48,240 --> 02:08:52,400
Speaker 2: the accident happened, and I noticed that he was like

2745
02:08:52,560 --> 02:08:55,320
Speaker 2: a lot different than he was when he was playing,

2746
02:08:55,360 --> 02:08:57,720
Speaker 2: Like he was just super intense playing, he was super

2747
02:08:57,800 --> 02:09:01,160
Speaker 2: laser sharp. And it was no it was no mixing

2748
02:09:01,200 --> 02:09:03,440
Speaker 2: and mingling of a lot of shit, right, it was

2749
02:09:03,480 --> 02:09:05,440
Speaker 2: just him and basketball and then going back on his family.

2750
02:09:05,520 --> 02:09:09,400
Speaker 2: But like he called, wanted to talk to my son.

2751
02:09:09,560 --> 02:09:11,360
Speaker 2: Put him on the phone with my son, and then

2752
02:09:11,400 --> 02:09:13,560
Speaker 2: we just started talking about like my son and his

2753
02:09:13,640 --> 02:09:16,360
Speaker 2: daughter and start talking about girls basketball. Obvious say I

2754
02:09:16,400 --> 02:09:20,000
Speaker 2: have a girl's organization and it's prebatly interesting. I'm surprised.

2755
02:09:20,480 --> 02:09:23,800
Speaker 2: I know you guys are doing something with j T

2756
02:09:23,960 --> 02:09:24,640
Speaker 2: as well, but.

2757
02:09:26,720 --> 02:09:28,600
Speaker 4: We agreed to do a home and away series.

2758
02:09:29,400 --> 02:09:32,040
Speaker 2: So I was gonna take my group out to California's

2759
02:09:32,040 --> 02:09:35,520
Speaker 2: gonna bring his groups to Dallas, and so.

2760
02:09:35,480 --> 02:09:36,560
Speaker 1: We said, yeah, we gonna get together.

2761
02:09:36,560 --> 02:09:36,760
Speaker 4: We're going.

2762
02:09:36,920 --> 02:09:38,920
Speaker 2: Let's let's have dinner when we get out there. You know,

2763
02:09:39,000 --> 02:09:42,760
Speaker 2: both times I said okay, cool. Well a week a

2764
02:09:42,840 --> 02:09:45,120
Speaker 2: week after that, I get a call from the Blazers.

2765
02:09:45,160 --> 02:09:48,360
Speaker 2: They were doing the fiftieth anniversary, you know, for their

2766
02:09:48,400 --> 02:09:51,440
Speaker 2: for their organization. So I said, well, you know they

2767
02:09:51,480 --> 02:09:53,440
Speaker 2: only fifty their anniversary only come around one time.

2768
02:09:53,720 --> 02:09:56,960
Speaker 1: Meet, I'm gonna go there. So Jason Terry takes the

2769
02:09:57,000 --> 02:10:00,200
Speaker 1: girls team out to California.

2770
02:10:00,800 --> 02:10:03,400
Speaker 2: Tell me then, yeah, And so he ended up being

2771
02:10:03,960 --> 02:10:07,080
Speaker 2: so the actual So I called cold and I said,

2772
02:10:07,080 --> 02:10:08,880
Speaker 2: look brother, like I'm not gonna make it, but I'm

2773
02:10:08,920 --> 02:10:11,160
Speaker 2: gonna get with you when you come to Dallas or

2774
02:10:11,200 --> 02:10:12,640
Speaker 2: I just come out to LA and we sit down

2775
02:10:12,640 --> 02:10:13,200
Speaker 2: and we have dinner.

2776
02:10:13,280 --> 02:10:14,160
Speaker 4: We hadn't had dinner.

2777
02:10:14,880 --> 02:10:18,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and years, bruh, in over a decade, to be

2778
02:10:18,040 --> 02:10:21,280
Speaker 2: completely honest. Now we've seen each other, but you know,

2779
02:10:21,480 --> 02:10:23,120
Speaker 2: hung out and stuff, and we went to Europe, but

2780
02:10:23,240 --> 02:10:28,480
Speaker 2: there's nothing just me and him, and so I remember

2781
02:10:28,600 --> 02:10:32,160
Speaker 2: like getting a call the morning of his death. He

2782
02:10:32,280 --> 02:10:35,600
Speaker 2: was actually on his way to play my Girls team

2783
02:10:35,760 --> 02:10:37,040
Speaker 2: that Jason Terry was.

2784
02:10:37,080 --> 02:10:40,120
Speaker 4: Now that's when Jay, that's the story I know from

2785
02:10:40,160 --> 02:10:41,840
Speaker 4: Jay Terry when he said it was coming to play me.

2786
02:10:42,000 --> 02:10:44,640
Speaker 2: Yep, and you know it was I remember I was

2787
02:10:44,680 --> 02:10:48,640
Speaker 2: in the elevator and everybody's phone was going crazy, and

2788
02:10:48,640 --> 02:10:50,720
Speaker 2: it was like, yeah, you know, is this true?

2789
02:10:50,800 --> 02:10:51,280
Speaker 4: Is this fate?

2790
02:10:51,560 --> 02:10:52,880
Speaker 2: And so I called We got to the other I'll

2791
02:10:52,880 --> 02:10:54,640
Speaker 2: call my wife. I said, turn on television and see

2792
02:10:54,640 --> 02:10:57,840
Speaker 2: if something happened to Cold. She turned on the television

2793
02:10:57,840 --> 02:10:59,560
Speaker 2: and what she didn't say? Anything right the way? She's like, na,

2794
02:11:00,120 --> 02:11:02,240
Speaker 2: like that would have been everywhere. As soon as I

2795
02:11:02,240 --> 02:11:04,440
Speaker 2: got ready to say all right, I call you back,

2796
02:11:04,600 --> 02:11:08,600
Speaker 2: she's like, oh, no, something did happen. And when it happened, Bro,

2797
02:11:08,640 --> 02:11:12,520
Speaker 2: it was just like one of those moments where it's

2798
02:11:12,520 --> 02:11:15,560
Speaker 2: hard to explain, right, yeah, because we've been knowing each

2799
02:11:15,560 --> 02:11:20,640
Speaker 2: other since twelve thirteen years old, and for something like

2800
02:11:20,680 --> 02:11:25,360
Speaker 2: that to happen to such an iconic figure, you know

2801
02:11:25,400 --> 02:11:27,960
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like it just didn't seem right. And

2802
02:11:28,480 --> 02:11:33,120
Speaker 2: to add to that his daughter being involved, right, that's

2803
02:11:33,160 --> 02:11:36,240
Speaker 2: hard to grasp, Like your child, right, and you know,

2804
02:11:36,280 --> 02:11:39,360
Speaker 2: prayers and condos and still go out special prayers for

2805
02:11:39,600 --> 02:11:42,120
Speaker 2: Vanessa Briant. You know, I can't imagine like what she's

2806
02:11:42,320 --> 02:11:45,680
Speaker 2: dealing with to the very day. Every single day it's reminded.

2807
02:11:45,760 --> 02:11:47,440
Speaker 2: She's reminded when even when she looked at her kids.

2808
02:11:47,600 --> 02:11:50,440
Speaker 2: Every time I look at her, kids look just like him,

2809
02:11:50,840 --> 02:11:54,720
Speaker 2: right and Gianna. But you know, it's one of those

2810
02:11:54,760 --> 02:11:57,360
Speaker 2: things where it's gonna be a forever. You know, he's

2811
02:11:57,400 --> 02:11:59,520
Speaker 2: gonna have a place in my mind and my heart forever.

2812
02:12:02,840 --> 02:12:03,040
Speaker 4: You know.

2813
02:12:03,160 --> 02:12:07,160
Speaker 2: You you think you know you got time and then something,

2814
02:12:07,240 --> 02:12:09,520
Speaker 2: and in many cases you don't. And so I would

2815
02:12:09,720 --> 02:12:12,400
Speaker 2: recommend that people value of relationship that you can value

2816
02:12:12,440 --> 02:12:18,160
Speaker 2: and as busy as we are personally, I think just

2817
02:12:18,200 --> 02:12:19,000
Speaker 2: calling people.

2818
02:12:18,760 --> 02:12:20,760
Speaker 4: And tell them you know you love them and what's

2819
02:12:20,800 --> 02:12:23,720
Speaker 4: up and that type of thing. I think I definitely

2820
02:12:23,800 --> 02:12:26,320
Speaker 4: started doing that. I think with everything that happened with Cold,

2821
02:12:26,360 --> 02:12:29,800
Speaker 4: I didn't even realize how I really felt about them

2822
02:12:29,880 --> 02:12:33,040
Speaker 4: until it happened, because it was, like you know what

2823
02:12:33,080 --> 02:12:34,840
Speaker 4: I'm saying, Like when it happened, it was like when

2824
02:12:34,840 --> 02:12:37,120
Speaker 4: it first went out, I don't even I think my

2825
02:12:37,240 --> 02:12:40,320
Speaker 4: agent called me first and he said, I'm like you lying.

2826
02:12:40,400 --> 02:12:42,080
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, like you know who playing

2827
02:12:42,160 --> 02:12:44,280
Speaker 4: like this? Who playing a job? I'm going on this

2828
02:12:44,360 --> 02:12:47,480
Speaker 4: and going on that like you said, TV, Internet looking

2829
02:12:47,960 --> 02:12:48,560
Speaker 4: don't see none.

2830
02:12:48,600 --> 02:12:49,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, that ain't true.

2831
02:12:49,680 --> 02:12:52,400
Speaker 4: Then like you say, a few minutes later, just started

2832
02:12:52,400 --> 02:12:55,720
Speaker 4: to go fucking everywhere. And it was just like like

2833
02:12:55,840 --> 02:12:59,280
Speaker 4: once I really sat there and saw how I was, like, I.

2834
02:12:59,200 --> 02:12:59,920
Speaker 1: Was fucked up.

2835
02:13:00,080 --> 02:13:02,800
Speaker 2: I was like, damn, I've never seen so many men

2836
02:13:02,920 --> 02:13:03,960
Speaker 2: cry dad ass.

2837
02:13:04,000 --> 02:13:06,040
Speaker 1: I didn't think I would cry over that or nothing.

2838
02:13:06,080 --> 02:13:08,120
Speaker 1: I was like, I know how much I could and

2839
02:13:08,200 --> 02:13:09,480
Speaker 1: loved him, That's what I'm saying.

2840
02:13:09,480 --> 02:13:13,440
Speaker 4: I didn't realize that until it was actually what it was,

2841
02:13:13,720 --> 02:13:15,640
Speaker 4: and it was like, you know, we literally had did

2842
02:13:15,680 --> 02:13:17,560
Speaker 4: one of the final interviews with him. We had him

2843
02:13:17,560 --> 02:13:17,800
Speaker 4: on the.

2844
02:13:17,760 --> 02:13:21,440
Speaker 2: Pod and it was like, you know, it was like

2845
02:13:21,440 --> 02:13:24,080
Speaker 2: like I said, like you know, code were bed probably

2846
02:13:24,080 --> 02:13:27,440
Speaker 2: better than we did. Like that was never a space

2847
02:13:27,840 --> 02:13:30,240
Speaker 2: for either of us to like like I told I

2848
02:13:30,280 --> 02:13:31,840
Speaker 2: told him when we had him sitting there, I say, bro,

2849
02:13:31,880 --> 02:13:34,320
Speaker 2: I've never seen you anywhere but on the court.

2850
02:13:34,720 --> 02:13:35,840
Speaker 1: That's unbelievable.

2851
02:13:35,880 --> 02:13:37,360
Speaker 2: Like he was like he said, he said that was

2852
02:13:38,200 --> 02:13:41,760
Speaker 2: everybody So for me, like for us to get that

2853
02:13:41,920 --> 02:13:45,840
Speaker 2: time before the cameras rolling, while the cameras rolling after

2854
02:13:45,880 --> 02:13:48,640
Speaker 2: the cameras weren't rolling, for him to show love and

2855
02:13:48,800 --> 02:13:51,040
Speaker 2: like talk about our game and how you appreciate us

2856
02:13:51,040 --> 02:13:53,680
Speaker 2: and see you know, Like regardless, my whole thing I

2857
02:13:53,720 --> 02:13:55,800
Speaker 2: always said about Cobe was like, I don't care who

2858
02:13:55,840 --> 02:13:57,920
Speaker 2: you are, what you what you think you are, Like

2859
02:13:57,960 --> 02:13:59,920
Speaker 2: when you played in that generation in the league, if

2860
02:13:59,920 --> 02:14:02,040
Speaker 2: you play when he played, he was the best, and

2861
02:14:02,080 --> 02:14:04,880
Speaker 2: you wanted the fucking best to see you and to

2862
02:14:05,000 --> 02:14:08,000
Speaker 2: hear him acknowledged that he saw was like that meant

2863
02:14:08,040 --> 02:14:10,440
Speaker 2: something because regardless of I don't I'm not trying to

2864
02:14:10,840 --> 02:14:13,520
Speaker 2: no groopy ship or nothing, but like, if we being honest,

2865
02:14:13,520 --> 02:14:14,280
Speaker 2: he was the best.

2866
02:14:14,440 --> 02:14:16,520
Speaker 4: He was the closest thing that Mike we've seen.

2867
02:14:16,640 --> 02:14:18,560
Speaker 2: And it's probably time for And the thing that I

2868
02:14:18,560 --> 02:14:22,320
Speaker 2: think bothers me is people when I hear about people

2869
02:14:22,560 --> 02:14:29,040
Speaker 2: talking about who's the best, ever, I.

2870
02:14:28,960 --> 02:14:32,920
Speaker 4: Don't care what nobody. It's Mike then him to me.

2871
02:14:33,000 --> 02:14:35,040
Speaker 4: I can y'all can talk all the ship y'all want to,

2872
02:14:35,120 --> 02:14:36,960
Speaker 4: it's Mike than him to me, I don't care.

2873
02:14:36,840 --> 02:14:38,960
Speaker 2: Because all those guys got that level of greatness. But

2874
02:14:39,080 --> 02:14:41,920
Speaker 2: cob is that he's at. He's on that Mount Rushmore. Bro, Bro,

2875
02:14:42,040 --> 02:14:45,640
Speaker 2: listen what I'm telling you. In my opinion, anybody else

2876
02:14:45,640 --> 02:14:46,560
Speaker 2: can whatever they want.

2877
02:14:46,720 --> 02:14:50,000
Speaker 4: I'm not disrespecting the Kareems, the will to none of

2878
02:14:50,000 --> 02:14:58,760
Speaker 4: that ship like Kobe' that is hard trying to. I'm

2879
02:14:58,800 --> 02:15:00,840
Speaker 4: telling you, go wherever you want to go. I know

2880
02:15:00,920 --> 02:15:03,440
Speaker 4: what I've seen. I know without witness, I know what

2881
02:15:03,480 --> 02:15:09,920
Speaker 4: I experienced. I watched this man. But whoever the fuck down, whoever.

2882
02:15:09,600 --> 02:15:12,800
Speaker 1: He'll play this something that you don't do. I ain't

2883
02:15:12,800 --> 02:15:13,680
Speaker 1: gonna get into that though.

2884
02:15:16,320 --> 02:15:19,640
Speaker 2: Like I said, man, listen, we out here live on location.

2885
02:15:20,400 --> 02:15:22,520
Speaker 4: Fuck him. We got we got.

2886
02:15:22,640 --> 02:15:24,680
Speaker 1: Look, we got the Black liber Rocket.

2887
02:15:25,080 --> 02:15:30,400
Speaker 4: That man got the company, the ice side here. Man,

2888
02:15:30,480 --> 02:15:33,360
Speaker 4: we ain't we in the land man. Listen, bro, the

2889
02:15:33,440 --> 02:15:36,320
Speaker 4: big Homie, the Black Liver Roight. We we can't appreciate

2890
02:15:36,360 --> 02:15:38,080
Speaker 4: you too much more. Man, we don't want to take

2891
02:15:38,120 --> 02:15:41,400
Speaker 4: all your We had to say to the old man,

2892
02:15:41,480 --> 02:15:43,480
Speaker 4: You're like, yeah, man, we gotta do this in person.

2893
02:15:43,760 --> 02:15:45,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, because we wanted to, like he told Because he

2894
02:15:45,920 --> 02:15:47,800
Speaker 1: told me. I said, no, we're waiting for you, I

2895
02:15:47,880 --> 02:15:51,440
Speaker 1: told him, I said, like, because we had to do.

2896
02:15:51,440 --> 02:15:54,560
Speaker 3: The screen stuff. So I'm letting folks just go by,

2897
02:15:55,000 --> 02:15:55,960
Speaker 3: and I stood on it.

2898
02:15:56,120 --> 02:15:57,160
Speaker 2: No, he did.

2899
02:15:59,200 --> 02:16:05,360
Speaker 4: Tried to buck them because the big home what you

2900
02:16:05,400 --> 02:16:05,840
Speaker 4: call him.

2901
02:16:05,840 --> 02:16:07,600
Speaker 1: Then that's what I got on the phone with.

2902
02:16:07,560 --> 02:16:11,200
Speaker 2: You, I said, you know, you gotta tell me, I said,

2903
02:16:11,680 --> 02:16:12,680
Speaker 2: Roger said he ready.

2904
02:16:14,480 --> 02:16:15,240
Speaker 1: I was only saying.

2905
02:16:15,760 --> 02:16:18,360
Speaker 2: I was only saying, I'm ready whenever y'all ready. It's

2906
02:16:18,360 --> 02:16:20,240
Speaker 2: the same with with Jack and with this joint. I said,

2907
02:16:20,280 --> 02:16:21,760
Speaker 2: look whatever you all ready brough, I'm here.

2908
02:16:25,040 --> 02:16:29,280
Speaker 4: About this. The beautiful thing about this is that our

2909
02:16:29,280 --> 02:16:31,480
Speaker 4: fraternity is what it is. You know what I'm saying.

2910
02:16:31,520 --> 02:16:33,760
Speaker 1: We got, we got as long as we're willing to go.

2911
02:16:33,920 --> 02:16:35,920
Speaker 4: And like this season eight for us, we get to

2912
02:16:36,000 --> 02:16:38,320
Speaker 4: keep on pushing and there's so many other people that

2913
02:16:38,360 --> 02:16:41,840
Speaker 4: we get, so many dope stories. And it's like now,

2914
02:16:42,320 --> 02:16:44,840
Speaker 4: when we first started, it was kind of like we,

2915
02:16:45,040 --> 02:16:46,280
Speaker 4: like you said, we didn't know what we was doing.

2916
02:16:46,280 --> 02:16:48,040
Speaker 4: Were just like a chick with our head clo trying

2917
02:16:48,040 --> 02:16:50,080
Speaker 4: to get whatever. And now it's like now we know

2918
02:16:51,040 --> 02:16:53,040
Speaker 4: enough who we are, what we are, and we got

2919
02:16:53,320 --> 02:16:57,039
Speaker 4: we got until it's no more to continue to get everybody.

2920
02:16:57,080 --> 02:16:57,840
Speaker 1: And it's not like.

2921
02:16:57,800 --> 02:16:59,400
Speaker 4: We're not looking at it like now, like when we

2922
02:16:59,440 --> 02:17:01,120
Speaker 4: first start like, oh yeah, we gotta get cold, we

2923
02:17:01,160 --> 02:17:04,160
Speaker 4: gotta get shut. Like now it's like we realize, especially

2924
02:17:04,160 --> 02:17:07,040
Speaker 4: now that we've built something and it is what it is.

2925
02:17:07,080 --> 02:17:09,959
Speaker 4: Like now we know that we don't have to It

2926
02:17:09,959 --> 02:17:12,480
Speaker 4: ain't always got to be the biggest, biggest fish. Like

2927
02:17:12,520 --> 02:17:15,240
Speaker 4: everybody got crazy dope stories, like you know what I'm saying,

2928
02:17:15,240 --> 02:17:18,200
Speaker 4: from whoever to whoever, and it's about telling all our

2929
02:17:18,240 --> 02:17:20,879
Speaker 4: stories because you know what I'm saying, Like we're not

2930
02:17:21,360 --> 02:17:24,800
Speaker 4: hall of famers, are all stars or superstars like you

2931
02:17:24,959 --> 02:17:26,560
Speaker 4: was an all star you you know what I'm saying,

2932
02:17:26,600 --> 02:17:29,240
Speaker 4: hall of fame worthy and all of that, Like we

2933
02:17:29,280 --> 02:17:30,760
Speaker 4: get a lot of that on our show, but like

2934
02:17:31,080 --> 02:17:34,320
Speaker 4: me and him were any of that, but we still connected.

2935
02:17:34,400 --> 02:17:37,280
Speaker 4: We still know you and know everybody else just as well,

2936
02:17:37,320 --> 02:17:39,520
Speaker 4: and we can you know, we can. We can deliver

2937
02:17:39,600 --> 02:17:41,680
Speaker 4: these stories in y'all stories the same way.

2938
02:17:41,720 --> 02:17:43,200
Speaker 1: So it's not really about that to us.

2939
02:17:43,240 --> 02:17:45,440
Speaker 2: And we know y'all doing something bigger than you know

2940
02:17:45,440 --> 02:17:47,560
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like to me, y'all setting a platform.

2941
02:17:47,680 --> 02:17:50,240
Speaker 2: People are gonna have a voice, right, people can tell

2942
02:17:50,240 --> 02:17:52,680
Speaker 2: this story to me. That that's the that.

2943
02:17:54,280 --> 02:17:56,480
Speaker 4: We feel like our responsibility is like and it's not

2944
02:17:56,520 --> 02:18:00,760
Speaker 4: like us, how dope everybody. That's how thing because we

2945
02:18:00,800 --> 02:18:03,760
Speaker 4: feel like we know the history is gonna tell the

2946
02:18:03,840 --> 02:18:06,879
Speaker 4: Hall of Famers and everybody, but like what about the

2947
02:18:06,920 --> 02:18:09,840
Speaker 4: dudes is not like who gonna get cause they got

2948
02:18:09,920 --> 02:18:12,000
Speaker 4: they some of some of some of the dudes. It's

2949
02:18:12,080 --> 02:18:15,000
Speaker 4: not Hall of Famous is not the greatest. They stories

2950
02:18:15,000 --> 02:18:16,880
Speaker 4: are better than some of the Hall of Famers, you

2951
02:18:16,920 --> 02:18:18,680
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, Like just because of what they

2952
02:18:18,720 --> 02:18:22,080
Speaker 4: went through and what they like. So everything is relative, man,

2953
02:18:22,120 --> 02:18:24,240
Speaker 4: and we just want to try and keep that, you know,

2954
02:18:24,320 --> 02:18:26,880
Speaker 4: in the forefront and just keep showing everybody out and

2955
02:18:27,760 --> 02:18:30,120
Speaker 4: bringing their flowers to them because at the end of

2956
02:18:30,160 --> 02:18:31,920
Speaker 4: the day, Bro, you was one of the dobest players

2957
02:18:31,959 --> 02:18:34,959
Speaker 4: I ever played with. Always had crazy appreciation for you

2958
02:18:35,040 --> 02:18:37,560
Speaker 4: and your game and what you did on the court

2959
02:18:37,760 --> 02:18:40,680
Speaker 4: was was was none sort of greatness. Everybody know it.

2960
02:18:40,800 --> 02:18:42,560
Speaker 4: So you know what I'm saying, We get a Jermaine

2961
02:18:42,600 --> 02:18:45,360
Speaker 4: O'Neil on our show to talk about what you did

2962
02:18:45,400 --> 02:18:47,120
Speaker 4: and how you did it and what you've been through.

2963
02:18:47,560 --> 02:18:50,000
Speaker 4: Like you'll see, Bro, when we put the when we

2964
02:18:50,040 --> 02:18:53,000
Speaker 4: put it out, like the comments and everything like that's

2965
02:18:53,040 --> 02:18:55,959
Speaker 4: a lot of times what some of the biggest givebacks

2966
02:18:55,959 --> 02:18:58,400
Speaker 4: for us because just to hear what the people get

2967
02:18:58,440 --> 02:19:01,400
Speaker 4: from it and what they experienced from My favorite thing

2968
02:19:01,520 --> 02:19:03,560
Speaker 4: is like, I've been knowing you as long as I

2969
02:19:03,640 --> 02:19:05,360
Speaker 4: know you, and I learned some today, so I know

2970
02:19:05,440 --> 02:19:07,160
Speaker 4: that everybody watched this they gonna learn.

2971
02:19:07,240 --> 02:19:09,160
Speaker 2: So that's why I said, like, this is much bigger

2972
02:19:09,200 --> 02:19:13,160
Speaker 2: than any playing scenario because people think they know you,

2973
02:19:13,200 --> 02:19:14,720
Speaker 2: but they only know you for what they see on.

2974
02:19:14,680 --> 02:19:16,800
Speaker 1: Televi they see on TV or what they google.

2975
02:19:17,000 --> 02:19:20,480
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, I mean that's why I think this is dope. Man.

2976
02:19:20,480 --> 02:19:21,520
Speaker 4: I always thought it was dope. Man.

2977
02:19:21,560 --> 02:19:23,720
Speaker 2: You shout out to what you guys are doing. Man,

2978
02:19:23,840 --> 02:19:27,960
Speaker 2: keep doing it. It's needed and it got two brothers

2979
02:19:27,959 --> 02:19:29,320
Speaker 2: on it leading away too.

2980
02:19:29,520 --> 02:19:32,640
Speaker 1: Yeah man, yeah, jayo to go. Man.

2981
02:19:44,040 --> 02:19:46,040
Speaker 5: All right, we want to thank y'all for your continued

2982
02:19:46,080 --> 02:19:49,280
Speaker 5: support of the podcast. If you enjoyed this episode, be

2983
02:19:49,320 --> 02:19:51,520
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2984
02:19:51,680 --> 02:19:54,800
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2985
02:19:54,879 --> 02:19:57,199
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2986
02:19:57,240 --> 02:20:00,600
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2987
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2988
02:20:04,040 --> 02:20:08,120
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2989
02:20:08,240 --> 02:20:12,000
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2990
02:20:12,000 --> 02:20:14,840
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