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Speaker 1: Colin Coward podcast. Great Week. ESPN college football analyst Kirk

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Speaker 1: Herbstreet gets serious about Jim Harbaugh and about former Buckeye

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Speaker 1: Justin Fields and his chances of success in Chicago. YouTuber

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Speaker 1: turned boxer Jake Paul talks about Floyd Mayweather his fight

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Speaker 1: against Tyron Woodley. This weekend, It's Great. My go to

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Speaker 1: guy for Packers info, Tyler Dunn had some really interesting

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Speaker 1: sourcing on Aaron Rodgers. But first my top takes of

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Speaker 1: the Week. Stories only get out when somebody wants them out.

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Speaker 1: So they leaked a story that they were unhappy with

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Speaker 1: a confusion with Cam Newton. What they're telling you is

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Speaker 1: either he's unvaxed, which if you're a quarterback, that's totally irresponsible.

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Speaker 1: Quarterbacks all about sacrificing for the team. Or it's telling

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Speaker 1: when and if they do make a move. To Mac Jones,

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Speaker 1: this COVID confusion was not on them. It was Cam

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Speaker 1: Newton's mistake. That story only leaks because the Patriots wanted out.

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Speaker 1: How many things have we read about the Patriots. Seth

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Speaker 1: Not twenty year Secrets yet Cam Newton. Two days after

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Speaker 1: the COVID confusion, it's out in the press. They leaked

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Speaker 1: it because they're telling you when we move off him,

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Speaker 1: he screwed up again. He got it last year, he

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Speaker 1: got it this year. Remember last year Patriot players weren't

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Speaker 1: getting COVID. There were certain protocols. They were very strict.

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Speaker 1: The NFL was strict. The Patriots are the most strict.

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Speaker 1: Cam's the star that got it. So this is all

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Speaker 1: setting up, and I think it's interesting. I'm looking at

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Speaker 1: all these other quarterbacks coming in. Just a memo to

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Speaker 1: all the Cam fanboys, Justin Fields is a far better

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Speaker 1: far better prospect than Cam Newton. Cam was a junior

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Speaker 1: He was wildly entertaining. He was polarizing, he was easy

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Speaker 1: no market for him. Russell Wilson's thirty two, he has

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Speaker 1: it's those traits. Cam had lousy traits. His mechanics were bad,

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Speaker 1: they're telling you they're tired of his shit. So here's

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Speaker 1: the Saints. Jamis Winston is a starting quarterback in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: They're both great. I think it's a better fit now.

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Speaker 1: to the Jaguars, so urban Meyer gets hired. This is

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Speaker 1: it was coincidental last night. Both Jamis Winston and Trevor

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Speaker 1: A lot of people gave up on Jamis Winston, and

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Speaker 1: just not ready. Easton Stick was a significantly more poised

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Speaker 1: on Kirk Kerbstreet. When you talked to Urban Meyer and

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Speaker 1: he picked up He's a hard worker, he's cerebral. He

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Speaker 1: there's definitely a game plan that that my coaches and

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Speaker 1: What's his punching power? His punching power probably like a

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Speaker 1: seven and a half eight. Okay. Where's Connor McGregor's punching power?

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Speaker 1: Probably probably seven a half eight. Okay, So you've got

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Speaker 1: to be careful. You've you've offered Connor fifty million dollars

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Speaker 1: I agree on certain levels. Um, you know, he has

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Speaker 1: And Mayweather has given sort of defensive boxing and points

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Speaker 1: over power. He no longer has the power. You know

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Speaker 1: that that. I think he's given sort of a license

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Speaker 1: to tactically win. But I don't think it's that fascinating

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Speaker 1: could be a defensive fighter, a counterpuncher. Because I think

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Speaker 1: You mixed it up like you just wouldn't be a

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Speaker 1: defensive fighter. And I think that's the part that turns

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Speaker 1: me off stylistically. Does it turn you off? Do you?

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Speaker 1: When I watched Mayweather, I think and Pachio didn't have

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Speaker 1: the power you used to. But I still think man

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Speaker 1: he can hit Manning can hurt you. Yeah. Look, I

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Speaker 1: mean that's one of Floyd's biggest criticisms is boring fights

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Speaker 1: and I agree, no one wants to tune in and

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Speaker 1: watch a twelve round fight. It's just some pity patter

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Speaker 1: back and forth, and he technically wins. People want knockouts,

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Speaker 1: people want blood, people want highlight, real you know, punches

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Speaker 1: and combinations. You know, they want excitement, They want people

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Speaker 1: to sit there and slug with each other. They want knockdowns,

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Speaker 1: and yeah, Floyd Floyd and his biggest fights didn't really

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Speaker 1: deliver any of that, So I agree. But again, but

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Speaker 1: then where you have to give him credit is his showmanship.

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Speaker 1: You know, he brought the eyeballs, he brought the excitement,

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Speaker 1: wanted to watch him, even more so than his actual

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Speaker 1: boxing ability. I want to bring in a guy who's

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Speaker 1: not a suck up, who covers the packers with objectivity

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Speaker 1: tighter Dunne. I got into this discussion the other day,

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Speaker 1: you know, psychology one O one about Aaron Rodgers with

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Speaker 1: a friend, and you know, he's he's in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: He's not high ranking, but he's got a good sense

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Speaker 1: of the league, and it's kind of projecting. Aaron almost

548
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Speaker 1: feels like he wants everybody to know that he doesn't

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Speaker 1: need football. He's above it. I could do jeopardy. I

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Speaker 1: like music, I like travel, I've got enough money. By

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Speaker 1: the way, he's had issues with his family. Their criticism

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Speaker 1: has been he sort of acts like he's above us.

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Speaker 1: Do you think his relationship now with Matt Lafleur after

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Speaker 1: the NFC Championship. I mean, again I say this, I

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Speaker 1: just feel like the handcuffs are off with Aaron when

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Speaker 1: stop being nice, Like that's weird. I can't even fathom

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson saying that Peyton Manning four neck surgeries, you

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Speaker 1: could not pull him off the field. It's I also

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Speaker 1: have a story that I'm going to I will eventually

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Speaker 1: say it, but I won't say it now because I

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Speaker 1: have somebody I want to protect. But you know, Aaron

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Speaker 1: screwed over kind of a legendary quarterback in the last

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Speaker 1: eighteen months on a charity event sort of No showed

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Speaker 1: utes a lot with Aaron Rodgers. You have similar yes, yeah,

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Speaker 1: so I heard it this weekend and it was from

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Speaker 1: a absolutely great source. So you know, I kind of

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Speaker 1: feel like with Aaron, once you go fifty fifty I'm

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Speaker 1: you're not You're not in Russell Wilson's class. You're not

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Speaker 1: You're not in Brady's Like, that's just not leadership. Leadership

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Speaker 1: is not telling a company your employee base. I may

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Speaker 1: be with you, I maybe not so. I just wonder

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Speaker 1: do you think he and La Fleur? How good is it?

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Speaker 1: Scale a one to ten? It'll never be ten with Aaron,

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Speaker 1: it would probably be never in its best days? And

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Speaker 1: nine do you think it was dinged a little after

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Speaker 1: the NFC Championship, Yes, and just before I forget to you,

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Speaker 1: you're right on with I think it's kind of like

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Speaker 1: that victim mentality. When you say I don't have a

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Speaker 1: victim mentality, you're playing the victim, Carter. I mean, that's

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Speaker 1: really what what he did. I mean in so many

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Speaker 1: different ways during that press conference, which which you would

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Speaker 1: he went on a diet tribe for like twenty minutes. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was ridiculous. Um, you know the relationship with Matt Lafloor.

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Speaker 1: I was told by multiple players he just kind of

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Speaker 1: tolerates Matt Lafloor. You know, I don't think it's nearly

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Speaker 1: as great as many in the local media would lead

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Speaker 1: you to believe. You know, what's Matt Laflore gonna say

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Speaker 1: at the podium, like, of course he's gonna say nothing

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Speaker 1: but gushing, gushing things about Aaron Rodgers, Like I think

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Speaker 1: it's fine. I think it's okay. I think Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 1: is at a point where, similar to Mike McCarthy, he's

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Speaker 1: gonna do what he wants to the line of scrimmage.

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Speaker 1: That's what he's doing. I mean, Matt Lafor has his offense,

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Speaker 1: but Aaron Rodgers has his offense. I mean mark Usvela,

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Speaker 1: Scanlon Tony on the record, I did a profile within

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Speaker 1: He's done that for some guys, and I don't know

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Speaker 1: I mean, his his his memory is insane. There's nobody

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Speaker 1: like it. But I do think, you know, it's a

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Speaker 1: fine relationship. I think the relationship that he really does

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Speaker 1: cherishes with Nate Hackett, the offensive Coordinator's kind of described

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Speaker 1: to me almost like a lovey dovey kind of relationship,

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Speaker 1: like it's they're really really close in the meetings. I

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Speaker 1: and Goodikins. You know. I don't think that's ever going

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Speaker 1: And uh, I still think he's gone after the season.

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Speaker 1: I think they're kind of playing out the string right now.

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Speaker 1: And he was a Packer fan, and he was like

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Speaker 1: It's almost a high school town more than a college town.

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Speaker 1: complex in Green Bay where you are the economy, not

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Speaker 1: just the quarterback. You are the economy. And it is weird.

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Speaker 1: If I told you in the last twenty years there's

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Speaker 1: two quarterbacks that basically threatened retirement, were very difficult and

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Speaker 1: despite the fact they had a really good organization that

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Speaker 1: drafted well, were perpetually unhappy within their organization. And it

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Speaker 1: would be one team, it would be the Green Bay Packers.

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Speaker 1: Do you have a theory on kind of farvn Rodgers?

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Speaker 1: Because I've said this, Aaron's becoming Brett going public too much.

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Speaker 1: I'm half in, I'm half out. I've got my own playbook.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned that, so did Farv? Like what is the psychology?

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Speaker 1: When you were at the Milwaukee Journal, like rolled it

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Speaker 1: out there because when the guy asked me over the weekend,

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Speaker 1: that's the best I could come up with. And it

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Speaker 1: is funny because that's what he despised early in his career.

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Speaker 1: Hated it. He hated how Brett Farr got special treatment,

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Speaker 1: how Brett Farve had his own blocker, was separate from

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Speaker 1: the other guys. Like when Aaron Rodgers was the backup,

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Speaker 1: he was, he was one of the guys. I was

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Speaker 1: an intern in Green Bay back in oh six oh seven,

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Speaker 1: you know, still in college, and it's one of the

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Speaker 1: cover of the team, lived out of out of a hotel,

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Speaker 1: working for the Shaun o'leader, I think, and I talked

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Speaker 1: to Aaron Rodgers all the time, and you could just

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Speaker 1: see he was more down to earth. He was one

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Speaker 1: of the guys. I mean a lot of the younger

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Speaker 1: players on that team gravitated to Aaron Rodgers, like Brett

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Speaker 1: Barbes missing OTA's stuff like that. It was Aaron Rodgers,

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Speaker 1: like the fact that Brett Farbes was seeking special treatment

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Speaker 1: and got that special treatment and then he became what

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Speaker 1: he just buys like I said, I mean, he became

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Speaker 1: that over time. And I think a lot of it

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Speaker 1: does have to do with the town. And trust me,

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Speaker 1: I lived in Green Bay for five years. I freaking

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Speaker 1: loved it. I could have lived there my whole life,

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Speaker 1: friends for life there. The people are amazing, you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what he's talking about, trashing it as

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Speaker 1: a vacation spot. Man, you gotta gets the door County.

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Speaker 1: It's beautiful up there, the bluff, unreal, unreal place to live.

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Speaker 1: But I'll say this, there was my ex girlfriend. I

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Speaker 1: remember one time we went to the movies and what

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Speaker 1: was the one with Jake Gillant Hall. I can't remember

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Speaker 1: the name, but the only people at this movie were me,

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Speaker 1: my ex girlfriend, Aaron Rodgers, Seneca Wallas, and Seneca walls

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Speaker 1: Is wife. I think nobody else even there. I mean

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Speaker 1: there's green bane and nutshell like night out that that's

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Speaker 1: what he's doing. I think that lifestyle kind of gets

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Speaker 1: old after a while, right, you can only have so

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Speaker 1: many steak dinners at at Chives and Swamico. You know,

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Speaker 1: he's gone through the celebrity girlfriends, he's gone through that lifestyle.

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Speaker 1: He surrounds himself with celebrities. He wants that lifestyle. You're

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Speaker 1: not gonna get it in Wisconsin. That wraps it up

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Speaker 1: for the week before heading into another big week here

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