WEBVTT - Where's the Beef?  Lanhee Chen talks to Armstrong & Getty

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<v Speaker 1>disgrace a disgrace to our country. I'm not surprised that

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<v Speaker 1>it's happening. Basically, they've started the campaign, so the campaign begins,

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<v Speaker 1>but the campaigns actually their campaign has been going on

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<v Speaker 1>for the last two and a half years. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>a shame. And the people understand it. When they look

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<v Speaker 1>at it, they just say presidential harassment. But that's okay, No, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>is that what people are gonna see. That's why he's

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<v Speaker 1>looking forward to talking to Lanhe because he knows, he's

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<v Speaker 1>been in war rooms, He's looked at poll numbers, he

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<v Speaker 1>knows how to read the mood. I just wonder how

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<v Speaker 1>people are going to react to are you, referring to

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<v Speaker 1>Mr longheat Chen, host of the podcast Crossing Lines with

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<v Speaker 1>lanha Chen, David and Diane Stephy, research fellow at the

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<v Speaker 1>Hoover Institution and Director of Domestic Policy Studies at Stanford University,

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<v Speaker 1>Loan he how are you, sir, Good morning? How are you, gentlemen.

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<v Speaker 1>We're excellent. So we got the sense. I think everybody's

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<v Speaker 1>got the sense that the Mueller Report must be a dud,

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<v Speaker 1>and word must have gotten out to everybody as the

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<v Speaker 1>Democrats have decided, it's not the Muller Reports, not the

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<v Speaker 1>important thing. The important thing is this tax situation. And

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<v Speaker 1>you even got Eric Trump saying the Mueller Report needs

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<v Speaker 1>to be put out in its entirety. So I think

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<v Speaker 1>that nails that down, that that's gonna be a nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>So so we're moving on to all this other stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Trump's taxes is business. All that sort of stuff is.

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<v Speaker 1>As Trump just said, American going to react to that

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<v Speaker 1>with what the hell You're just You're just doing anything

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<v Speaker 1>you can to get rid of this guy. Is that

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<v Speaker 1>going to backfire or not? Yeah? I do think it's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be a challenge for Democrats because the shifting

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<v Speaker 1>of the goal posts as it were is not going

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<v Speaker 1>to work in their favor. I mean the Muller Report. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I think the Muller Report. Because Mueller's charge is so specific,

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<v Speaker 1>it's charges specifically the question of Russian intervention in the

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<v Speaker 1>two six and sixteen election. I think under that very

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<v Speaker 1>narrow premise, it's going to be tough to nail too

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<v Speaker 1>much more down on the president. The question then becomes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>can they shift the uh, can they shift the focus elsewhere?

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<v Speaker 1>And is that going to really play in the election.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the answer that depends on what the elsewhere is.

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<v Speaker 1>But by and large, based on what we've seen so far,

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<v Speaker 1>I do think people are going to be like, look, um,

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<v Speaker 1>you got to assess this guy based on his performance,

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<v Speaker 1>and yes, there are things about him we don't like,

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<v Speaker 1>but let's talk about his performance instead. I think that's

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<v Speaker 1>got to be the focus for Democrats going into Listen,

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<v Speaker 1>I loan he, I don't know if you know this

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<v Speaker 1>about me, Joe Getty, but I have the gift of

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<v Speaker 1>being able to see deep within the soul of America.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, and Frank be happy to assist on future

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<v Speaker 1>campaigns and lend you that. But um, it strikes me

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<v Speaker 1>that the baked in Trump supporters and the baked in

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<v Speaker 1>Trump haters are what they are. Um, the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>America is going to see what amounts to an investigation

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<v Speaker 1>of his entire pre presidential financial life as irrelevant and

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<v Speaker 1>as a mean spirited and in a distraction. That's my

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<v Speaker 1>sense of it. Um, do you think that's Well, you've

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<v Speaker 1>already said you think that maybe the risk? Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean the again, I think the goal here for a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of Democrats is to find something or anything they

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<v Speaker 1>can use to support an impeachment charge. And if they

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<v Speaker 1>want to go to his life pre presidency, I have

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<v Speaker 1>a very difficult time seeing how most Americans are going

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<v Speaker 1>to see that as relevant. Now. Of course, what they're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna say is there are things that started pre presidency

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<v Speaker 1>that has leaked into the presidency, that have leaked into

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<v Speaker 1>his conduct as president, that have caused him to I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, obstruct justice, let's say, is to then we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about a very similar set of questions to what

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<v Speaker 1>hampered Bill Clinton. Now, Bill Clinton his problems were more

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<v Speaker 1>directly related to things he did while he was president.

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<v Speaker 1>So the question will be how much leakage, as it were,

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<v Speaker 1>is there, and how much are people willing to say, like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that that's actually a problem. Uh, that is supportive of

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<v Speaker 1>impeachment and peep is a very serious political charge. And

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<v Speaker 1>I just don't know that people are going to look

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<v Speaker 1>at it and say, oh, yeah, you know, like this

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<v Speaker 1>is a worthwhile endeavor for Democrats to be engaging and

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's going to end up haunting them. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I just I wonder where this is gonna go. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>Quinnipiac poll that just came out. I mean, Trump has

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<v Speaker 1>been president for a while now, America has had a

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<v Speaker 1>good chance to take a look at his act and

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<v Speaker 1>his life and what he's all about. And Quinnipiac pole

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<v Speaker 1>has of people say they don't want to go out

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<v Speaker 1>down the impeachment road at this moment. Huh. It seems

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<v Speaker 1>like there would have to be something really new to

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<v Speaker 1>move those numbers significantly. With mere Yeah, there would be.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, here's the reality, right, You've got thirty percent

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<v Speaker 1>of people who feel that Donald Trump can do no

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<v Speaker 1>wrong and and and it's it's a group of people

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<v Speaker 1>proverbially that the president said I could go to the

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<v Speaker 1>middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot someone wouldn't matter. So

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's his base. That's pretty baked. And then you've

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<v Speaker 1>probably got another twenty or thirty percent on the other

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<v Speaker 1>side who will dislike Trump and will hate him regardless

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<v Speaker 1>of what he does. Even if he goes out and

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<v Speaker 1>saves puppies and and unicorns, they're gonna hate him. The

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<v Speaker 1>question really comes down to this fort you know, give

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<v Speaker 1>or take, what's going to move those numbers? And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not convinced that impeachment for the Democrats is going to

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<v Speaker 1>move those numbers. Now, a bad economy could move those numbers,

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<v Speaker 1>a global catastrophe could move those numbers. The president's failing

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<v Speaker 1>to uh to get anything done on his stated policy priorities,

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<v Speaker 1>including by the way, immigration, that could impact that forty

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<v Speaker 1>But impeachment is not going to move that forty percent.

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<v Speaker 1>So Democrats have to be very careful to hear what

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<v Speaker 1>they're doing. He's speaking of leaders a long he's guest

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<v Speaker 1>on Crossing Lines with Line he chan his podcast is

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<v Speaker 1>a Mitt Romney this time around, So I can't wait

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<v Speaker 1>to listen to that myself. That's a good one. So

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<v Speaker 1>let's talk a little bit about um the other side

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<v Speaker 1>of the aisle, the Democrats in Congress, where the brief

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<v Speaker 1>but almost immediately uneasy infatuation with the freshman class A O. C.

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<v Speaker 1>Among others has turned to real concern. Um, you've got

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<v Speaker 1>the gal from Minnesota whose name I can never remember,

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<v Speaker 1>accused of making anti Semitic statements. What's your sense of

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<v Speaker 1>which way that's going? Yeah? I mean this is like

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<v Speaker 1>one of those times when you go to McDonald's and

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<v Speaker 1>you get the at the Hamburger and you're like, what

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<v Speaker 1>where was it be for? Is the patty? And I

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<v Speaker 1>think we're seeing a very similar thing with this freshman class,

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<v Speaker 1>which is, you know, they come in with the splash

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<v Speaker 1>AOC especially. Everyone loves to talk about her, everyone loves

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about her colleagues in this class, and then

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<v Speaker 1>they realize it's not a lot of there there, and

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<v Speaker 1>there's there that is there is actually quite controversial, whether

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<v Speaker 1>it's the Green New Deal or the activities of other

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<v Speaker 1>members here who who make controversial comments. I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>just the demonstration of the battle that's going on within

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<v Speaker 1>the Democratic Party. The question of rich side of the

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<v Speaker 1>Democratic Party is going to exert more control as we

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<v Speaker 1>go towards It's going to be the traditional mainstream wing

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<v Speaker 1>led by people like Joe Biden and and yeah, Hillary

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<v Speaker 1>Clinton verses this sort of new insurgent Democrat wing, and

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<v Speaker 1>right after the election, everyone has said, Okay, it's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be AOC, it's going to be her politics, and now

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<v Speaker 1>you're seeing the establishment strike back to a certain degree. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't mean that her side of the party isn't

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<v Speaker 1>going to control the discussion. In fact, Mike Bloomberg's decision

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<v Speaker 1>not to run, if anything, is demonstrative of the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that the progressives are still rising and ascended in the party.

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<v Speaker 1>That into I thought, I thought, wow, Bloomberg just doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>even think a guy like him can run exactly. But

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<v Speaker 1>you know, but but here's what it does mean. It

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<v Speaker 1>does mean that AOC is not going to get a

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<v Speaker 1>free ride anymore. She's not gonna get a free pass. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>she's been called out on her realtor eyes for instance.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you ever noticed long he she has realtor you

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<v Speaker 1>know what, I don't even know what realtor eyes are.

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<v Speaker 1>But I have to agree that that maybe if if

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<v Speaker 1>the characterization is whether one can trust AOC or not,

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<v Speaker 1>I tend to agree that she's probably not trustworthy. That

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<v Speaker 1>having been said, she's not going to get a free pass.

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<v Speaker 1>You know people are going to question her ideas, but

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't mean that her brand of progressivism is not

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<v Speaker 1>going to be something that primary voters in aren't looking for. So,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's an interesting balance the Democratic Party is

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<v Speaker 1>going through right now. Hill, are you announced She's not?

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<v Speaker 1>I guess she didn't announce. She off handedly said, look,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not running, and then the New York Times is

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<v Speaker 1>trying to clear that up today, saying that she didn't

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<v Speaker 1>close the door on So I don't know where we are.

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<v Speaker 1>And Hillary, well, if she knows what's best for her

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<v Speaker 1>and what's best for the party, she'll move on. He's

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<v Speaker 1>the Seers of Politicians. We've dubbed her the Series of Politicians.

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<v Speaker 1>You think it's gone, it just keeps coming back. So

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<v Speaker 1>so wh he We keep getting emails from Coloradden's saying

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<v Speaker 1>old John Hassan Sepper is actually a really likable and

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<v Speaker 1>effective politician. What do you think of hicken Looper. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>aside from the fact that it's very difficult to get

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<v Speaker 1>his name out without stumbling over it, I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>he does have a record of accomplishment as a governor,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's the thing about being a governor, and and

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<v Speaker 1>this is why for a long time I think Republicans

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<v Speaker 1>tended to like governors rather than senators as as their

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<v Speaker 1>as their candidates, because because there is this notion that

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<v Speaker 1>being an executive, you've actually done something, you've had to

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<v Speaker 1>work together with people from the other side of the aisle.

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<v Speaker 1>And hick and Looper does have this record, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think he will be the more moderate guy, uh in

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<v Speaker 1>this race. The question is going to be, how do

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<v Speaker 1>you get air in an environment where the emphasis is

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<v Speaker 1>on doing things that are outrageous and doing things that

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<v Speaker 1>are just completely over the top. That's not John hick

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<v Speaker 1>and Looper, and so can he work in this environment?

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<v Speaker 1>I I teach a class at Stanford where uh, we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about the campaign, and actually one of my guests

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<v Speaker 1>is today a very social Republican, very well known Republicans

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<v Speaker 1>that he thought hickan Luper would be in the final three.

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<v Speaker 1>I understand that point of view. I just don't know

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<v Speaker 1>how he gets air time. I don't know how he

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<v Speaker 1>gets list off in this environment. Question back to my

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<v Speaker 1>ability to see deep into the American soul. Um, we

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<v Speaker 1>are very close to peaking and and cresting and going

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<v Speaker 1>down the curve of how much hyperbole, and I hope

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<v Speaker 1>your excitement well, yeah, I fear it too. I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>thinking a calming presence. I've often said all all politics,

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<v Speaker 1>presidential politics, in particular reaction to what's just happened. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>Ford was was calm and plexidity after Nixon, and Carter

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<v Speaker 1>was even calmer than that. But I could see the

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<v Speaker 1>appeal of Hey, listen, I'm a pretty nice guy. I'm reasonable.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't hate Republicans like Biden. Yeah, except he Looper

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<v Speaker 1>is not, you know, older than the Hills, so I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, it will be an interesting guy to keep

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<v Speaker 1>an eye on. Hey, Lannie, you have Mitt Romney on

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<v Speaker 1>the day. You and him are friends, But on your podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>are you gonna poke him trying to get him to

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<v Speaker 1>say bad things about Trump? Because he hates Trump? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>We we did talk a little bit about about his

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<v Speaker 1>policy's views about a few issues and how they might

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<v Speaker 1>differ from Trump, But overall it was I just wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to get a froth of whether he's likeing what he's

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<v Speaker 1>doing now. I think a lot of people just wondering.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, he's made this transition back into public life.

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<v Speaker 1>He's in the Senate now after having been a chief

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<v Speaker 1>executive and governor. What's that like? And so we had

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<v Speaker 1>a nice conversation. It was great to see him. And

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<v Speaker 1>for the record, I think he's really enjoying this chapter

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<v Speaker 1>of life. And I think you guys talking about policy

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<v Speaker 1>about personality is where it's at. Please. Mitt Romney says

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<v Speaker 1>he's like to punch you Donald Trump in the face.

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<v Speaker 1>Listen to it on Lani Chan's hit podcast, Crossing Lines

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<v Speaker 1>with Lani chen uh Lani. It's always enlightening and fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks a million, and we appreciate it it talk to

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<v Speaker 1>thanks and we'll have a link at Armstrong and getty

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<v Speaker 1>dot com so you can dig his podcast. You want

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<v Speaker 1>to get attention, you gotta set yourself on fire on

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<v Speaker 1>a tight rope, right, that's the only way to go

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<v Speaker 1>about it, right, Intelligent and measure discussion, apology, another kick

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<v Speaker 1>in the guts. This is a tight rope, inflammable in

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<v Speaker 1>this situation because it's complicated. You got to put a

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<v Speaker 1>special coating on it. I hope you're right. You think

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<v Speaker 1>there's a limit, right, You can only go so far

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<v Speaker 1>down the there's a reason. You know, you play a

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<v Speaker 1>big song and then you bring it back down and

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<v Speaker 1>you kind of play a quieter song there in the concert.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't just be over the top the whole time, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>People fatigue and I my feeling is people are getting

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