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Speaker 1: the day. You and him are friends, But on your podcast,

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Speaker 1: say bad things about Trump? Because he hates Trump? Right?

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Speaker 1: We we did talk a little bit about about his

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Speaker 1: You know, he's made this transition back into public life.

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Speaker 1: He's in the Senate now after having been a chief

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Speaker 1: a nice conversation. It was great to see him. And

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Speaker 1: for the record, I think he's really enjoying this chapter

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Speaker 1: of life. And I think you guys talking about policy

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Speaker 1: about personality is where it's at. Please. Mitt Romney says

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Speaker 1: he's like to punch you Donald Trump in the face.

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Speaker 1: Listen to it on Lani Chan's hit podcast, Crossing Lines

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Speaker 1: with Lani chen uh Lani. It's always enlightening and fun.

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Speaker 1: about it, right, Intelligent and measure discussion, apology, another kick

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