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Speaker 1: This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to Disgraceland, the after Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode,

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Speaker 1: a little thing we like to call the after party.

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Speaker 1: This is the show after the show, the party after

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Speaker 1: episode of Disgraceland to the other, the backyard to dig

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Speaker 1: into the dirt. On this bonus episode, we are talking

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Speaker 1: about this week's full episode subject Billy Idle. We're previewing

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Speaker 1: the coming Charles Manson, Mama Cash, Sharon Tatee madness that'll

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Speaker 1: be in your Disgraceland in Hollywood Land feed shortly we're

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Speaker 1: talking rock and roll, Hall of Fame, blues, and we

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Speaker 1: get into your voicemails, text DMS emails and as always,

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Speaker 1: a whole lot of rosie. All right, Discos, let's get

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Speaker 1: into it. Billy Idol. This week's full episode subject of

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Speaker 1: disgrace and was, as you've by now learned if you listened,

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Speaker 1: a true rock and roll animal. As we like to say,

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Speaker 1: few musicians lived as dangerously and as wild as Billy

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Speaker 1: Billy is on the short list of rock and Roll Animalism.

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Speaker 1: That shortlist with like Keith Moon, Keith Richards, small handful

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Speaker 1: on the list of musicians nominated this year to the

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Speaker 1: fourteen nominees. Now only seven are going to get in.

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Speaker 1: out again. Here's the list Oasis, Bad Company, Black Crows, Outcast,

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Speaker 1: we've been dealt here. In twenty twenty five, you have

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Speaker 1: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductees are chosen by

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Speaker 1: They are in reverse order, number seven with the most

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Speaker 1: Dude wrote stone cold hits Okay, huge, massive, culture defining, genre,

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Speaker 1: week's question of the week. When you're listening to the

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Speaker 1: Let's recap, shall we We'll get this massive archive. We

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Speaker 1: that out, all right. Cindy Lauper, We don't have an

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Speaker 1: In honor of this week's subject, Billy Idol, this is

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