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Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black

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Speaker 1: Effect and our heart Radio and partnership with Showtime. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to another edition of All the Smoke. Jack, what's good,

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Speaker 1: my brother, and we're here again the final day of filming. Man,

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Speaker 1: We've been in l A four days, had some great interviews.

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Speaker 1: We get to end with my man our man, uh Man.

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Speaker 1: Welcome Lakers assistant coach Phil Hendy walking bag moves into bag.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad we finally got to link We've been trying

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Speaker 1: to link in and get you on here for a minute.

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Speaker 1: Shout out at home girl Michelle. It's her birthday today.

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Speaker 1: I was just on the phone with Yeah, so uh. Anyway, Man,

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Speaker 1: let's get to it. Obviously was a disaster outside of

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Speaker 1: you guys winning a championship. What do you occured about

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Speaker 1: halfway through the year at this point, man, from a

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Speaker 1: basketball standpoint, because for me personally was like probably one

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Speaker 1: of the best years that I've had individually for growth.

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Speaker 1: That's the first time in my in my basketball career

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Speaker 1: in the last twenty years, I've had a chance to

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Speaker 1: sit down and do absolutely nothing. So I had I

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Speaker 1: had a great time to reflect and I spent some

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Speaker 1: time with myself, Spence, some talking to my son, and

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Speaker 1: really just kind of died back into my family a

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Speaker 1: little bit. So for me personally, that was one of

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Speaker 1: the best things that could have happened. Basketball wise. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, every I think the world knows the challenge

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Speaker 1: that we had. But um, we came out of that

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Speaker 1: bubble and the season started so fast for twenty one

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Speaker 1: and it really it was just all about, man, how

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Speaker 1: do we manage this season? You know, how do you

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Speaker 1: manage the season? How do you try to keep guys healthy,

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Speaker 1: how do you how do you get rest? You know,

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Speaker 1: how do you build up your team and just try

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Speaker 1: to get through get through a season that's you know

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Speaker 1: what we call a sprint. I mean, you guys both

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Speaker 1: played in the league for many years. Eighty two games

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Speaker 1: was crazy, but seventy two games in that span and

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Speaker 1: we just played every other day. So really just figuring

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Speaker 1: out how to get through the season, survive, you get

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Speaker 1: through the season and come in, come into the playoffs

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Speaker 1: healthy and give yourself the best chance to try to

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Speaker 1: defend your title. Man, that's from the top right now. Um.

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Speaker 1: Thoughts on the playing tournament, Obviously, one of your players

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Speaker 1: was not a big fan of it. Bronz said, whoever

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Speaker 1: came up with the idea should be fired. From a

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Speaker 1: coaching perspective, in the standpoint, where was you what was

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Speaker 1: your thought on the playing situation? Um Man, I always

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Speaker 1: feel like the playoffs are you gotta win games? So whatever,

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Speaker 1: you know, you put us in a position where did

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Speaker 1: we want to play in the play in the game

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Speaker 1: last night? Uh? Not necessarily, but man, those type of

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Speaker 1: games kind of tell you where you are. You know

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Speaker 1: you are you ready for the playoffs? You know, are

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Speaker 1: you ready for that mental batt that battle? Are you

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Speaker 1: ready for the physical? So for me, it's just you

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Speaker 1: gotta win a game. You put your hard hat on,

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Speaker 1: prepare yourself, you know your opponent, and go win the game.

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Speaker 1: That's that's what you know. I think a lot of

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Speaker 1: people try to say, well, you know, let's play this

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Speaker 1: team and play that team at some point in the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: You gotta play whoever he is your match up. You're

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Speaker 1: you got to go out there and win. That's what

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Speaker 1: it was. That's what it boils down to me. For me,

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Speaker 1: And even though it was a playing game, how thrilling

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Speaker 1: was it. Let's playoff basketball? Man, it was tough and

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Speaker 1: your ship was up a hu from any game last

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Speaker 1: season I do. It's a problem, man, it's a straight

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Speaker 1: He just Draymond to you know, people, people give Dramond

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Speaker 1: one of those dudes that figured out who he is,

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Speaker 1: figured out how he needs to play, figured out how

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Speaker 1: do best? And that's yeah, I'm gonna have an imprint

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Speaker 1: what made them so unfair. Where you have to step

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Speaker 1: Cli even Clay Poppa hit it, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: So as a monster, this is kind of you may

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Speaker 1: You had a great, you know, playing situation last night.

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Speaker 1: Do you ever just kind of sit back and realize, like, man,

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Speaker 1: more this coach mode? We got fuck them? It's a

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Speaker 1: little bit of both. I mean, Matt, like you know me,

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Speaker 1: you know, we had some time together with the Lakers.

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Speaker 1: I'm ultracompetitive, like I'm old school, like we on the

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Speaker 1: other team. I'm not trying to talk to you during

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Speaker 1: a perspective of just understanding we love the game and

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Speaker 1: the guys that were around and guys that you guys

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Speaker 1: play with, guys you played against. Right as a coach,

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Speaker 1: there have been time I'm sitting on the bench like, man,

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Speaker 1: forget coaching, I'm just enjoy this game, Like I'm watching

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Speaker 1: these cats play at a high level, and you know,

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Speaker 1: it's incredible to be able to see what he's done

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Speaker 1: when he came, that's incredible. It's a lot of it's

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Speaker 1: So you've been to the finals. What the six years?

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Speaker 1: Look at you? But what's that ride been like? Because

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Speaker 1: And obviously I know you appreciate it, but to consistently

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Speaker 1: You've won with all three teams. What's that experience like

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Speaker 1: But when I got to UM, I got to the Lakers.

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Speaker 1: One of the things he said to me was, you know,

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Speaker 1: Who knows. So I went to Cleveland. My first year,

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Speaker 1: Competitor and man, people, you know, and some people say,

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Speaker 1: was a hooper, he would play anywhere. Hardaway would play anywhere.

425
00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:50,960
Speaker 1: And Keith Jennings was on the Warriors squad and he

426
00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:53,480
Speaker 1: like took me and some of my friends in and

427
00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:56,480
Speaker 1: we would hoop with him in the off season, and

428
00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:59,240
Speaker 1: you know, he was the one that was really like, yo, yeah, fella,

429
00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:02,280
Speaker 1: you you have some talent. You can play at the

430
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:05,359
Speaker 1: next level if you really apply yourself. So when I

431
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:07,320
Speaker 1: got out of school, all I did was work out

432
00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:10,239
Speaker 1: with him as much as I could work out with him,

433
00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:13,840
Speaker 1: stayed in the gym, and uh, the opportunity that really

434
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:17,280
Speaker 1: changed everything. We had open run at Club one downtown Oakland.

435
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 1: You guys played for the Warriors Club one that used

436
00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,840
Speaker 1: to be serious run. So we were in the hooping

437
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,400
Speaker 1: one day and b Shaw came in and b Shaw

438
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:26,960
Speaker 1: we knew each other, but we didn't know each other

439
00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:31,119
Speaker 1: too well. But the run was so crazy that I

440
00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:33,679
Speaker 1: was just trying to go at everybody's head. Anybody stepped

441
00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:35,120
Speaker 1: in the court, I was trying to go at your head.

442
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,240
Speaker 1: So b Shaw stepped on and I hate to tell

443
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,720
Speaker 1: this story, be, but you know I tried to go

444
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:44,359
Speaker 1: at best head the whole game. Yeah, we ran him up,

445
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,399
Speaker 1: We ran him off the floor, and then I went

446
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:50,480
Speaker 1: and sat down. And so after one after we want,

447
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,359
Speaker 1: I went and sat down. So I'm done playing. So

448
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 1: bees Man Glenn Graham. Glenn was like a trainer. He said, look, man,

449
00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:59,679
Speaker 1: I need to I need to take you. I need

450
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:01,240
Speaker 1: to work you out, Let me build you, let me

451
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,240
Speaker 1: put you in touch with some agents. And that just

452
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:05,480
Speaker 1: opened up the door for me. That year was a

453
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 1: lockout that he was a lockout. So the Warriors had

454
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:13,639
Speaker 1: they had a free agent camp and they had lockout end. Look,

455
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 1: we're gonna fight twenty local dudes come to camp, and

456
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 1: we got two spots to go to training camp. Man.

457
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:23,440
Speaker 1: I went to that camp. Feast of Famine was like,

458
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 1: let me go in here and show these people I

459
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 1: can play. I was one of the two guys that

460
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 1: got selected to go to free agent camp, and it

461
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 1: was just once I stepped into that camp, Man Spree

462
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 1: took me in. He was on that pretty well, Tim Hardaway,

463
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:42,639
Speaker 1: Chris Mullen, uh Ronnie psychicly b J arm Song. It

464
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,120
Speaker 1: just got traded to the Warriors. Mark Price was there,

465
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,680
Speaker 1: so it was a team full of vest year that

466
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:51,119
Speaker 1: put his hands on Oh boy. That was the year

467
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 1: after that. That was the next year. I missed it.

468
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 1: That was but that opportunity, like really, Spree took me in.

469
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 1: Hardaway took me in and they they was like, you know,

470
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 1: just putting the battery in my pallet. I'm fella, man,

471
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 1: you can you can do something. You gotta continue to

472
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,879
Speaker 1: work getting the weight room. And once I saw that

473
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 1: that piece right there, I just kind of took off

474
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 1: on me. You know. I stayed with the Warriors for

475
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 1: a small part of the season and I went and

476
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:18,119
Speaker 1: played in the c B A and U. Once I

477
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,680
Speaker 1: got to the c B A, I just took off.

478
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,920
Speaker 1: Had a great season, you know, made the All Rookie team.

479
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,199
Speaker 1: And then next year I came back and I went

480
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,680
Speaker 1: to the Portland Trailblazers. I was in camp with them

481
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 1: and spent part of the season there. And then after that,

482
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 1: I was just like, man, I just want to hoop.

483
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 1: Now I don't care, so now I want to hoop.

484
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 1: And my agent was like, listen, man, there's a lot

485
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:42,959
Speaker 1: of teams in Europe that paid great money and they

486
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,919
Speaker 1: want your services. And it was I was like, all right, man,

487
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:47,879
Speaker 1: I did the NBA. I made it. Felt like I

488
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,400
Speaker 1: made it. I compose that. Now I want to hoop.

489
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,159
Speaker 1: What does that mean for me? So I went to

490
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 1: Europe and never came back. I spent eight years in Europe. Man,

491
00:24:56,040 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 1: I traveled the world. I went to France, Italy, Germany, Israel, Paine, England, Australia,

492
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:06,200
Speaker 1: Australia by far? Was it Australia by far? Basketball or

493
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 1: just life? Everything? The hoops seeing down there is amazing.

494
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 1: In Melbourne for one year and Sydney for two loved

495
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 1: it like I still go back. I got deep roots

496
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 1: in Australia, man. But the league down there is it's

497
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 1: in the summertime, English speaking country and they try to

498
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 1: they try to their their whole design of the NBL

499
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 1: is off the NBA. So they got a TV show,

500
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 1: they got TV games. It was a dope experience, man.

501
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 1: To be able to travel travel around the world and

502
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 1: and and kind of you know, have a career playing basketball.

503
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 1: It diversified me. Man, that was the best thing that

504
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,239
Speaker 1: could happen to be. You had a lot of game though,

505
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 1: just because you didn't have a long career. I mean,

506
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 1: like people tell stories about you back in the Bay

507
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,199
Speaker 1: like feel like feeling hoop, you know what I mean?

508
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 1: And that was always the word. I mean we were

509
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 1: talking about you earlier with raised It's like now I

510
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,879
Speaker 1: feel the Summer League was loaded. But if you had

511
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 1: feel on your team, you had a chance. How many

512
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 1: other problems on the other team like you had a chance.

513
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,399
Speaker 1: So now appreciate the games you could definitely who But

514
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 1: obviously traveling the world, did you see any players that

515
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,879
Speaker 1: really like stood out to you, like overseas legends, anyone

516
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 1: that became legends. You guys, you played against him that

517
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 1: was in France, Tony Parker was he was tiny, little dude.

518
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:21,360
Speaker 1: Tony Parker Patriots MP coop coach Jack had NP gangbanging

519
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:28,640
Speaker 1: fresh had of France. Yea Andrew Gay Games. I played

520
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,399
Speaker 1: with Andrew Games. So played with Andrew Gays, played against

521
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:35,159
Speaker 1: Shane Hill, you know, narc Cooperman. I've seen some of

522
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 1: those younger dudes when they were when they were really young.

523
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 1: But like TP was the one when I saw him,

524
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 1: he was just like sixteen seventeen years old and he

525
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 1: was running around shooting floor. You running just fast, just fast.

526
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,879
Speaker 1: And just to see him years later coming to the

527
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,880
Speaker 1: NBA C Coop coach. You know, these dudes were young.

528
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,199
Speaker 1: They were young kids when I was over there, man,

529
00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:00,159
Speaker 1: So it was um, you know, and I had a

530
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 1: chance to play some some good countries for some really

531
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 1: good teams, some EuroLeague teams and things of that where

532
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,679
Speaker 1: they played at a high level and it wasn't a slout.

533
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: People have the wrong conception of what European basketball is about.

534
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 1: It's tough over there. The problem, you know, sometimes the

535
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 1: European players come here and it's a hard translation. It's

536
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,159
Speaker 1: a different style of play, right you go to Europe.

537
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 1: Some Americans have a hard time translating to where they

538
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,719
Speaker 1: play over there. It's a tough translation. But I think

539
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 1: that was the best thing that could have happened to

540
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,919
Speaker 1: me for my career. In seven, I was I had

541
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: to go to Australia and I played in uh for

542
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,439
Speaker 1: the Sydney Kings, and I was talking about Andrew Gays.

543
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: This was nineties seven. Man, he's shooting from half court.

544
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 1: I'm telling about head for the gray hair, head for

545
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: the gray hair bucket. This man was unreal. Un him

546
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 1: and Shane Hill with some of them some of the

547
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 1: best shooters I've seen in my life. And I've seen

548
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 1: that in Australia, so I can. But they were a problem.

549
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 1: No gas, you know, they no gas over there. They

550
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 1: were playing the way stuff and those guys like you

551
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,199
Speaker 1: had to they crossed half court, you better pick them

552
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 1: up and everything. Their teams were predicated around making sure

553
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 1: they get shots off. Eight years overseas you said, when

554
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: did coaching come into the picture for you? Man? I

555
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,880
Speaker 1: never think I was gonna be a coach. Just start. Hold,

556
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:24,639
Speaker 1: let me take it back. When did you Because you

557
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,120
Speaker 1: started the training space right, started started the training space

558
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 1: and then with transition. So when did how did you

559
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 1: go from a player right to trainer? Well, basically started

560
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,439
Speaker 1: giving people bag. See what it is is a lot

561
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 1: of guys played basketball, but they don't have nothing in

562
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 1: their bags, so they got bag. So they went to

563
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 1: the field to feel their bag. You know, when I

564
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 1: was in Australia, I had some some parents of the kids, saying,

565
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 1: you know, kids are like big fans. Would you would

566
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 1: you train them? You know which you could you do

567
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 1: some workouts with them? And I started doing like workouts

568
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 1: with some of the kids. I pull out a garbage

569
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: can send them through some else. Man. Every time I

570
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: left the gym, Man, I felt I just felt renewed,

571
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: Like it was a whole different sense of purpose. Like

572
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 1: I got to a point to where during the season,

573
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: all my off days I was trying to I was

574
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 1: trying to train kids like I would leave the gym

575
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 1: man and felt like I felt like I did something.

576
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 1: I had never felt like that before. It was a

577
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 1: totally different feeling for me. So when I when I retired,

578
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,239
Speaker 1: you know, I was just like Man. My last year

579
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 1: in Australia, I was really just gonna take a year

580
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 1: off because I had played in Europe for eight years.

581
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 1: My parents were getting older. You know, when you play

582
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: over there, you're gone for ten months, so I spent

583
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: some time in the state. So so let me take

584
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 1: a year off and spend some time in the family.

585
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: And I was gonna go back to my team. You know,

586
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 1: we had already set up a multi year deal for

587
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 1: me to come back. I took that year off. Man,

588
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 1: it was like, I'm done. I'm not going back to

589
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 1: At this point, I was thirty one, I was young,

590
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 1: you know, thirty one, and I was just like, I'm cool,

591
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 1: I'm done. I didn't. I got to a place where

592
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 1: I knew I was not mentally in that space of

593
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 1: what taking care of your body, having to lock in

594
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: watch what you eat being I said, man, if I'm

595
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: not gonna be able to do it at the best

596
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 1: of my ability, and I'm done, I'm finished. And so

597
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 1: I walked away from it. I was like, all right,

598
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: what's next? And I went into real estate for like

599
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 1: a year, just some investment, educated myself in real estate

600
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 1: and God would have do with by one of my partners,

601
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: and started buying properties and and I was like, after

602
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: about a year, I was like, no, it's not for me.

603
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 1: I was. I felt like I was missing something. I

604
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 1: was missing the game man. Me and Tony Dealk used

605
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 1: to work out together. This is how my career in

606
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 1: player development kind of started. You know, me and TV

607
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 1: used to work out, hooped together. Again. He was with

608
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 1: the Warriors, and when I retired, you know, TV was like, man,

609
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 1: you know, let let's get some workouts in. I was like, man,

610
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: I'm done hooping. He's like no, you know, he was

611
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 1: living in Phoenix at the times, like come down here

612
00:30:58,160 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 1: and you know, let's get some work in. Put me

613
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 1: through some workhouts. And I would and spent a week

614
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 1: with TV, and man, we got some great work in.

615
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: I went home and TV was like, look, we we

616
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: gotta do this for the rest of the summer. So

617
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 1: I would go to Phoenish from Sunday to Thursday, go

618
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: back to the bay Sunday and Thursday go back to

619
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: the bank. And every week TD had more due show

620
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 1: up to the gym. Eddie House, you know, I Anie House,

621
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:25,719
Speaker 1: Sean Mary and started coming at the time. You know Stackhouse,

622
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,479
Speaker 1: I mean our stack house, but Stottemeyer wasn't Phoenish. They

623
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: all these dudes started coming to the gym and I

624
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: was just figuring out how to work these dudes out,

625
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: work with them. And TV was like, listen, bro, you

626
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 1: have a knack for this. The way you see the

627
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 1: game and the way you dissecting your drills and all

628
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 1: that stuff. Bro, you need to you need to seriously

629
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 1: consider jump into this business. And at that time, this

630
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: was two thousand three, basketball industry was nil. There was

631
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 1: a few dudes. Gustus is your mentor, my mentor. Gus

632
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: was one of the very few people right that was

633
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 1: doing it, and he was doing it for years. Matt Right,

634
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: So you man, I used to go to the gym.

635
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: I said, man, let me, let me go down here

636
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: and learn from Gus. And Gus took me in, Let

637
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: me be in the gym. He gave me a voice.

638
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 1: And at that point I knew. I said, man, this

639
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: is what I want to do. And so I I

640
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: just laid down the foundation. I started a business. My

641
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: very first client, true client, was a kid who lived

642
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 1: in Marine. You from the bay, I mean from the

643
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 1: Marine is way out there stack And at this time

644
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: I was living at eld Raddo Hills. So it was

645
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: an hour and forty five minute dry huh Marne County

646
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: game from one of my first kids. I could charge

647
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 1: his kid five dollars. Man, I would drive hour and

648
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: forty five minutes. It cost more to get there. It

649
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: was more to put gas in my car. I charged

650
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: that kid twenty five dollars and let little did I know,

651
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: I didn't know much about the Marine area. That's one

652
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 1: of the most affluent counties in the country. But yeah,

653
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't really understand that I trained this

654
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: kid and this kid became one of the best players

655
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 1: in the county. It opened up the floodgates. Next thing

656
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: you know, I'm training high schools. I'm training a U programs.

657
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 1: So I went from one kid at an hour or

658
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: two about fifty kids in about a two month span.

659
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: And I was probably charging these kids fifty dollars a session.

660
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: It was taking the trip to see what people don't understand. Man,

661
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: like my journey in this in this business, man, it

662
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: would at my over a thirteen year of span. Brothers,

663
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 1: I did this for thirteen years. And the way it built,

664
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 1: you know, it started with that one kid. I would

665
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: be a marine. I would be at Stanford, I would

666
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: be at U. C. Davis, I would be at St. Mary's,

667
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 1: I would be at cow Berkeley. I had all these

668
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: different pockets to where on any given day during the week,

669
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 1: I'll be driving five hundred miles to get into different gyms.

670
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 1: The whip was the office for my bags from my cones.

671
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 1: But it really got to a point where I just

672
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 1: that was it for me. Man. I was in the

673
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 1: gym fourteen hours a day training kids, and then it

674
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: eventually started bleeding into NBA players, college players, European players,

675
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 1: and it became a full blown business for me over

676
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: thirteen years. And that was like my calling. I feel

677
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: like to this day, sitting here on this couch, that's

678
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 1: what I'll put on this earth to do, is to

679
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: tease the game of basketball and try to inspire people

680
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: through that. Through that channel, it's real for me. So,

681
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: I mean, you're one of the best, are you worry?

682
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: You still are, but obviously have a bigger time town.

683
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: But you're one of the best trainers in the game,

684
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 1: you said earlier than coaching never even came to mind.

685
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 1: So how did that transition from training to coaching happened? Man?

686
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 1: You know, Matt I when I started, I like, I

687
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: had a lot of bad coaches myself that that really

688
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: deprived me confidence wise. Like you know, we've all had

689
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 1: coaches that try to tell you down. And I went

690
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 1: into the business of wanting to train young athletes to

691
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:03,439
Speaker 1: help build their confidence. You give them a platform and say, look,

692
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 1: this is what you can do. Put it into hard work,

693
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 1: but you can, you know, let me give you some confidence. Um,

694
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 1: I started working with with St. Mary's College, and the

695
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: first thing I said to myself was, look, I'm gonna

696
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 1: go in this intage. I want to be one of

697
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 1: the best to ever do it. That was my mindset.

698
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: So I started training St. Mary's College. Randy Bennett and

699
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 1: Mike Brown were college roommates. Know, so Lloyd Pierce would

700
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,879
Speaker 1: do some workouts. This is how Lord Pierce started NBA.

701
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 1: He went to Cleveland. Randy sent him to Cleveland and

702
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: go work with Mike in the summertime, and then Lord

703
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,919
Speaker 1: Pierce ended up on the coach and staff. So Mike

704
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: went through that whole thing, and then he got hired

705
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 1: by the Lakers. And I was coaching St. Mary's. I

706
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: mean not coaching, but training their players. And Randy was like, listen, man,

707
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 1: you have to take this job. And at the time,

708
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 1: my business was booming, like my training business was booming.

709
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 1: I work when I want, didn't work when I didn't want.

710
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 1: I had clients all over the place, and I was

711
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 1: just like, no, I'm not interested. We took up pay

712
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:04,879
Speaker 1: cut to go to the Lakers did. But here's the deal, man.

713
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 1: I got to a point where I was like, Lesten,

714
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: you say you want to be one of the best

715
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 1: in the industry. Then you have to see what that

716
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:11,800
Speaker 1: looks like. In order to see what that looks like,

717
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: you have to work with the best. The opportunity to

718
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: work with Kobe was the deciding factor for me. That

719
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: was it that pushed me over the airs to say, man,

720
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,399
Speaker 1: you have to take this opportunity to forget about the money,

721
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 1: forget about what you're leaving behind. You can always go

722
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 1: back to it. I was ten years ago, ain't been

723
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 1: back with Loki summertimes. You still do it? Yeah, you know,

724
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: and now it's more out of just passion. But that decision.

725
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: I wanted to test myself. I wanted to see, if

726
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 1: you know, the things that I'm trying to teach and

727
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: the pieces of the game and I'm trying to help

728
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: people with, is it valid and is it value? Yeah?

729
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: You know, I know I work with a lot of

730
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 1: NBA players, But can you can you help somebody like that?

731
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 1: Or how do you help someone like that? Is the question,

732
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 1: you know, And it wasn't even so much, you know,

733
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: how do you impact Mike hired Man and said, look,

734
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:04,919
Speaker 1: you gotta figure out how to get the relationship with Kobe.

735
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 1: That's what he told me Matt you know so man,

736
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 1: you were there, I mean, you know, And for me,

737
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 1: it was just the opportunity yourself just to to get

738
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 1: get there and learn and figure out what that looks like.

739
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: That was. That was what would push me into And

740
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: again I didn't know anything about coaching. Remember our first

741
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 1: day of training camp mat that first day when the

742
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 1: blockout ended bro my head, I thought my head was

743
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,919
Speaker 1: gonna explode stack all the information. That was the first

744
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 1: time I had been in that environment of understanding offensive

745
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 1: breakdown Mike and Mike Brown is it. And so I

746
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 1: was sitting on the sideline that day while he was

747
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 1: just walking to him, and I was just like, no,

748
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,240
Speaker 1: what is this? And that was our transition from fields

749
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: last year having cancer to Mike Brown the very next year.

750
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: So and Mike and Fielder that day, you know what

751
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 1: I mean. So this this Laker team as an attitude

752
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:01,760
Speaker 1: of you know, I went off two championships, we lost.

753
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 1: I feel retired. And then Mike Brown came that next year.

754
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 1: But it was just like night and Day and their

755
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 1: philosophies in their approach. So it took a minute for

756
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 1: motherfucker's really buy into what what the game plan? Was,

757
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: But what over more than that, What was it like

758
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 1: actually trying to be friends teach, become one with Kobe? Well,

759
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 1: you know, I looked at it like this, though. Man,

760
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: I had to I had to try to do that

761
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:27,800
Speaker 1: with all you guys because I didn't you know, I

762
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: knew you a little bit briefly. But but how do

763
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 1: you how do you come into a team environment and

764
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: and understand each individual player and figure out how you

765
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: can help them or work with them. Man, I think

766
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 1: the code thing was b Shaw. I told me. I

767
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 1: called b Shaw when I took the job. Shout out, listen, man.

768
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 1: Be was crucial. He said, film gonna tell you just

769
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: like this, do not let him punk you. No matter what.

770
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 1: Do not let him punk you. You stand up for yourself.

771
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 1: He's gonna test you. And so I didn't really I

772
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: was like, all right, cool, I don't really know what

773
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: that looks like. But I got the job. I didn't

774
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 1: really speak to Code, you know, I just I did

775
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 1: my job. I got to the gym early on the

776
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 1: floor and did my work with the players I was

777
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 1: working with. And there was a couple of days where

778
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,399
Speaker 1: Cold would come out, he come out of training room,

779
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,800
Speaker 1: he sit on a chair and watched he watched me,

780
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 1: and he go back in the room and nothing was

781
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 1: said of it, and really didn't really develop a relationship

782
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 1: with him until a couple of weeks later, you know,

783
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 1: when he finally he hit me one day on text.

784
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 1: Was like, yo, man, just meet me at the gym.

785
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 1: You know, I told this story a few times, but

786
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: you know, he was meet me at the gym, and

787
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, bet let's go. And so,

788
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 1: you know, I showed up at the gym that night

789
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: and he was like, meet me at the gym at five,

790
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 1: and you know what that means. I showed him that

791
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 1: night thinking we was gonna work waiting for this dude

792
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 1: was not there. So I was like, okay, this is

793
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 1: what we're on. I didn't say nothing. I went to

794
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: practice next morning, you know, showed up early, seven thirty,

795
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 1: practiced at ten. Man that man came out giving me, hell, hey, bro,

796
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: the yelling and what the funk you're doing that week?

797
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 1: You know you ain't showing up for work. And I

798
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 1: was like, man, I was here. You know, he was

799
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 1: no man, not four forty five and PM. I meant

800
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 1: this morning. And so that for me, manro it messed

801
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 1: me up because I was like, damn okay. And after that,

802
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,399
Speaker 1: you know, the relationship started. And you know, the first

803
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 1: question I asked him was, man, what what can I

804
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 1: help What can I help you with? You know, yeah,

805
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 1: I'm looking at this dude like, man, I'm here to

806
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 1: learn from you. You know, it's kind of kind of thing.

807
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 1: And he was just like, man, I want to get

808
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 1: better with my ball Helen. I didn't even get better

809
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,760
Speaker 1: with my ball haleing. Sprinkle some stuff into my footwork,

810
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: and and that was just how it started. Man, you know,

811
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 1: gave him some things on the ball haling and and

812
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 1: he was the type of dude that was like, look,

813
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:51,959
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take what I need and leave the rest.

814
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: And he told me exactly what he wanted. It was

815
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: my at that point. It was my up to me

816
00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 1: to put it together and and and up him as

817
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: best I could. But that was that was the ultimate

818
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 1: challenge for me, and to be able to build a

819
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 1: relationship with him, you know how it is matter It

820
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 1: was just down that wall. It ain't easy and it

821
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:14,280
Speaker 1: really is just just one just tried to beat myself,

822
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 1: you know, and be as organic with it with it

823
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,359
Speaker 1: as it could how did you and pay drop Bard

824
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 1: the Lakers? This one right here? Me and Matt was straight, bro,

825
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: it's already cool, Bro, we were already to come up

826
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 1: the sack. So my trainer was his mentor, so obviously

827
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 1: Phil around. Like I said, we didn't know each other great,

828
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: but we had seen each other. So once I see him, like,

829
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 1: oh what's up? And then this, like I said, this

830
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 1: is the ultimate workout. Due. So I'm just like, let

831
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 1: me give a film, see what I could do. Get

832
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: a lot I've been trying to get, trying to get

833
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 1: the twins with it. For me, it's busy winning man.

834
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:47,839
Speaker 1: We're gonna get it. We're gonna get it, Bro, We're

835
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: gonna get it for sure this summer. Yeah, definitely. So

836
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 1: from the Lakers you head to the Calves. So you

837
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:00,800
Speaker 1: go from Cobe to ky Re at the time, and

838
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 1: then Lebron ends up joining. So what was that treasures like?

839
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 1: Going from l A to Cleveland. It was tough. Um,

840
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 1: it was tough on just a lot of different reading, right,

841
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: because again, my first opportunity to come into the league

842
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 1: as a coach was like I'm going to coach with

843
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 1: the Lakers, you know, And so Cleveland was it's just like, man,

844
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 1: what am I going to Cleveland for? You know? And

845
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: and really I had to really start to shift and

846
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 1: understand what the business was about, right with the business.

847
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 1: So Mike, Mike got fired, d'An Tony came in, you know,

848
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 1: and the Lakers were going through a phase of uncertainty,

849
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 1: you know, those few years it was just what are

850
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: they gonna do? And so I give miss cup Check

851
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 1: a lot of props because he called me into his

852
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 1: office one day and said, look, the Calves of the

853
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: Calves are called and their interesting interview even and I

854
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 1: really think you ought to You ought to look at

855
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: this opportunity. We don't know what's gonna happen here. He

856
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 1: could have he couldn't have said that, you could have

857
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:55,399
Speaker 1: just let it play out. He said, look, I think

858
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: you ought to really seriously consider this opportunity if they

859
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 1: want you, And um, I went did the interview and

860
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: and Mike offered me the job. And I think the

861
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: real the thing that that kind of sold me on

862
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: it was I didn't know Kyrie, I didn't know to

863
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 1: care from out and I hadn't really studied this game.

864
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: But when I started watching film on him, I was like, yeah,

865
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 1: I want to work with this I want to work

866
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 1: with this kid Man and Mike I had already put

867
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 1: it out there. That's what that's that's what we want

868
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 1: you here for. It was I was the best. That

869
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,760
Speaker 1: was probably the best move I made in my career

870
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 1: and making that decision to go and do it, because again,

871
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 1: it helped me help me validate just my thought process

872
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: on how to train and how to help how to

873
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 1: help players get better. It validated it. And and Cole

874
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: was he was. He was instrumental in that. I say

875
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 1: you were. You were instrumental in getting Kyrie and Kobe together.

876
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 1: Tell us about how that happened. Yeah, man, kay was

877
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 1: kay was slippery, bro, he was, you know, he was.

878
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 1: He was slipping when I first got to Cleveland. Man,

879
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 1: Kaye tried to hit me with the hit me with

880
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 1: the bat phone number and you know, not answer the calls.

881
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 1: He was slippery, you know, and rightfully so he didn't know.

882
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:09,320
Speaker 1: He didn't know. Yeah, but Scott was guy just got fired.

883
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 1: So he was he was angry. You know, here we

884
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 1: come in. He's like, man, like, I don't know, Yeah

885
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: I did. I did one workout with Kyrie and then

886
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 1: he disappeared right, gave me some number they never checked.

887
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 1: So I got through this process. I was like, all right, look,

888
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to reach this dude another way. I

889
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 1: knew we respected code and CO really liked his game,

890
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 1: and so I just hit Cold one. That's look, man,

891
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 1: I need you to I need you to mentor this

892
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 1: kid like I really need you to to to to

893
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: go and if you're okay with it, like give him

894
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 1: some energy. He's like, bet, I got you. I like it.

895
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 1: And I told Kai said listen. We finally sat down

896
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 1: and talked, and I had to fly to Miami to

897
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: talk to this dude to like, listen, man, I don't

898
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 1: want nothing from me. I don't need nothing from you

899
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 1: except for you to learn how to work. I want

900
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 1: you to pick up the phone and call Kobe. He did,

901
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: and they went off to the races, and it just

902
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 1: you saw a mind shift. He saw a shift. Cold

903
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 1: really really took him in and kayle Man just bought

904
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,839
Speaker 1: into the work and that changed. That changed his whole

905
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: his whole approach to the game and just understand how

906
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:12,959
Speaker 1: to take care of his body right off the court,

907
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: being in the weight room taking care of so he

908
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: doesn't be as injured as much, but then challenging him

909
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 1: to understand what the work means for your game. And

910
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 1: once he saw that it was over, he just took it.

911
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 1: He just took it to a whole another level. He

912
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 1: got the biggest he got the best field bag. He

913
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 1: got like, nah, Stack, I can't even I can't even

914
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 1: let it go down like that, got a bag of

915
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 1: his own. Now, what we did. What we did was

916
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 1: was fine tune his bag exactly to where he started

917
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,760
Speaker 1: really locking in on details of his footwork, of his balance,

918
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 1: on how to get how to get guys off to

919
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: where you can get to a spot and get to

920
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:53,760
Speaker 1: your mid range, how to be able to better finisher,

921
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:55,919
Speaker 1: how to pull up at the three. Once he really

922
00:45:56,000 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 1: like honed in on the small details. Man, Bro, he

923
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 1: wanted the coldest man. Listen, I will I'm you just

924
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 1: coached the beast. I'm gonna go out on a limb

925
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 1: and say, he is probably one of the most skilled

926
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: dudes to ever play this game. Like like skill standpoint, Bro,

927
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: he scored all three levels. Right, most guys you know

928
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 1: they can do it, but he scores. He's a little

929
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 1: to be on the post getting he definitely get people

930
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 1: post you shoot the three, shoot the mid range, like

931
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 1: you said, stack get he going left right? Yeah, man,

932
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 1: he's um And he was just missing one thing, the

933
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 1: work ethic. He was missing the work ethic. And then

934
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 1: you know, as a young player, what do you miss?

935
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: Then you miss another alpha, like somebody that can really

936
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 1: kind of kind of help you, King James, bring the

937
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: beast man, let me let me take you to a

938
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 1: help you go to another level. So what was it

939
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:00,959
Speaker 1: like there was a whisper it could have possibly happen

940
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 1: when it actually happened, Lebron coming back to Cleveland, what

941
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 1: was your thought process and how excited were you to

942
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 1: kind of okay, so now we got Bron for Kyrie

943
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 1: and let's see what we can do. Man, that changed

944
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 1: the whole organization overnight. All right. We went from you know,

945
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 1: being a young, young team to trying to figure out

946
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 1: how to win games too. Now you catapulsed into the finals,

947
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 1: like okay, the whole projection and there, man, man, Cleveland's

948
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 1: on top. And again I didn't know Braun, I had

949
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:33,320
Speaker 1: no relationship with him whatsoever. And um, you know, just

950
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 1: another one of those things to figure out a way

951
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 1: to integrate a relationship. And for me, the common denominator

952
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 1: out of all of those dudes everybody has always been

953
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 1: what through the work on the floor. That's it, right,

954
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:48,320
Speaker 1: because that's my that's my number one thing. It's just

955
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 1: let's get the work in the rest of it, the

956
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:53,839
Speaker 1: relationships that we built, because you're gonna understand who I am.

957
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get to know who you are. But it's

958
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 1: through the work, nothing else. And Braun was the same

959
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:02,359
Speaker 1: man his first day back to Cleveland. Now I sat

960
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 1: down and asked me, said, man, where where where areas

961
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: you want to improve? Where you want to get better? Now?

962
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: How can I help assist you in that process? And

963
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:14,240
Speaker 1: Brown was just like, man, I'm footwork ball, Hanley posted,

964
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: I want to get better at everything. And I will

965
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 1: say this to this day, man for somebody of his caliber,

966
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:22,800
Speaker 1: that man is a student of the game and he

967
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: wants to be coached like he he wants to be

968
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 1: uncomfortable to continue to get better every day even to

969
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 1: this point. M hm. So what was it like, I mean,

970
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 1: you as a coach, being there obviously on the outside

971
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 1: looking in you here, you know that there was some

972
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 1: head button with Currie and Lebron as a coach and

973
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 1: as someone who worked closely with both of them. What

974
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 1: did you see Because obviously, like you always hear ship

975
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 1: from the outside, but I've been in locker rooms right here,

976
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:49,800
Speaker 1: stuff like that ship ain't even close to what's going on.

977
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 1: So from being on the inside, what did you see

978
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,320
Speaker 1: between that dynamic? Man? You know how to meet You

979
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 1: always try to portray something that's not there. You know

980
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:02,439
Speaker 1: you have you have too. Two dudes that are playing

981
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 1: at a high level. One Brian came in with the

982
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 1: mindset of trying to trying to help and adjust the kyrie, Like, look, man,

983
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:14,320
Speaker 1: do us you dynamic? I need to I need to

984
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 1: figure out how to play with you, and we need

985
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:18,280
Speaker 1: to figure how to play together. There was no issues,

986
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 1: like you know, it's normal stuff you go through a season, right,

987
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 1: dudes trying to figure out how to play with each other.

988
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 1: They didn't have any issues none. And I think what

989
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 1: happened in the media is whatever. You know, they painted

990
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 1: that picture and you know the storylines a ran. You know,

991
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 1: people can flip it anyway you want. But them two

992
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 1: got along, man, they got what they're best friends now

993
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 1: were best friends, but they got along right and there

994
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 1: was a relationship there. Obviously, the relationship was there. We

995
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 1: were winning. You know, you guys have seen enough of

996
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 1: it where two guys that don't get along that's just

997
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 1: spills over to the court. They don't don't go that way. Man.

998
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 1: They were, that's one of them. That's one of the

999
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 1: most dynamic duels man ever put together. They were. They

1000
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 1: were as dynamic and different to complement each other's games, right,

1001
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 1: And I just think Kai is one of those dudes. Man,

1002
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 1: he misunderstood a lot of people don't really know him

1003
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 1: and understand him. We've been that way, you know. I

1004
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: mean a lot of players get that, get that rap

1005
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 1: when people don't actually get to know who you guys are.

1006
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 1: What takes the time part, Because like I said, I

1007
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 1: didn't take the time to get to carry and I

1008
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 1: made some misconception. And like I said, I'm trying to

1009
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 1: admend to that now. It fix that because like I said,

1010
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:31,839
Speaker 1: for him to love him, for Color to love him,

1011
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 1: for Michelle to love him, like, there's gotta be something

1012
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 1: special about this dude that my family knows something special

1013
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 1: about him, dude, and I think he Kai is a

1014
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 1: you know, he maybe he wanted ultimate competitor to you

1015
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 1: know how people sometimes they grow and they want to

1016
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:46,799
Speaker 1: figure out if they can do things on their own, right.

1017
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 1: That's that's normal. That's normal. Man. I appreciate you, big bro.

1018
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 1: I how to find out. I want to find out

1019
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 1: what kind of what kind of dude I eat? Or

1020
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:58,359
Speaker 1: I could be right? So your first run Brown because

1021
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 1: of back fifteen, you guys make a run to the finals.

1022
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 1: Unfortunately Kai and kay Love aren't there. You guys get

1023
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 1: beat by the Warriors. What kind of a learning experience

1024
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 1: was it? Getting there? Not being at full strength, but

1025
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 1: still getting there? Man? All about competing? Really, man, it

1026
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:17,919
Speaker 1: was really we had a and Matthew delave Adova, tough kid,

1027
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:21,720
Speaker 1: you know, we had j R. Smith, Emmons Schumpert, Tristan

1028
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:26,320
Speaker 1: was rowing. We had to god our team, you know,

1029
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:30,839
Speaker 1: Kyrie and kay Love he was parts of it injured. Man.

1030
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 1: We just thugged it out. That was that was really

1031
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 1: the mentality. Tell you, man, People don't even Matthew Dellavedova

1032
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 1: was on I v S after every game because he

1033
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 1: was given everything he had on the floor, Like he

1034
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:46,720
Speaker 1: was literally on I v S too to rejult his system.

1035
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 1: After every game, Bro, People don't even know that, like,

1036
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 1: and for us to go shorthanded, I mean at one

1037
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 1: point in that series we were up to the one.

1038
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 1: We went back to Cleveland, went back to Cleveland, we

1039
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 1: were up to the one. I mean, we were competing,

1040
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 1: but you know, just just shorthanded. And I think it

1041
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 1: taught us really about one when you get there, it's

1042
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:12,799
Speaker 1: not guaranteed, and you don't know, you don't know if

1043
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:15,799
Speaker 1: you're gonna make it back. And so that whole next season, man,

1044
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: we just health was important. You know, you gotta you

1045
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:21,319
Speaker 1: gotta two things. You gotta you gotta have a little

1046
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 1: bit of luck and you gotta have some health. People

1047
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 1: think it's all talent. Luck and health play a big

1048
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 1: part of championship runs. Man, they do, and unfortunately sometimes

1049
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 1: either on your team or it's or it's against you

1050
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:35,840
Speaker 1: as as a cold part of the game. Because I

1051
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:37,799
Speaker 1: mean the Worriors got a little tasted that the following year.

1052
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,399
Speaker 1: So in six team coach Black gets dismissed. He little

1053
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 1: takes over. You guys are down three one, Um Draymond

1054
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 1: gets suspended. You guys making amazing at this the seventh

1055
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 1: seventy three and nine team going for the greatest team

1056
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:51,759
Speaker 1: of all time and you got stuck a fork inn

1057
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 1: down down three one, Draymond is suspended. You guys make

1058
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:58,359
Speaker 1: a comeback. What was that experience like game by game

1059
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:00,040
Speaker 1: being down three one? What was that locker room and

1060
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 1: vibe like, man, that's a one game singular focus after

1061
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: game for the game five, game four three one. After

1062
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 1: game four in Cleveland, the locker room was calm. You know. Look,

1063
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 1: t Lou and Brown were at the catalyst of that.

1064
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:16,919
Speaker 1: Their mindset was like, man, if you guys don't believe

1065
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 1: we can go to Oakland and win this next game,

1066
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:22,360
Speaker 1: do not get on the plane. That's our focus, anything

1067
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 1: about nothing else. We got one game to win. And

1068
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 1: that was the attitude really coming out of the locker room.

1069
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:29,800
Speaker 1: We left that night. Everybody got on the plane. It

1070
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:32,479
Speaker 1: was a business trip. They were locked in. The dudes

1071
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 1: were locked in just to the moment of we gotta

1072
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 1: win this game tonight. And Kyrie and Brown went out

1073
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 1: there and put on the show boy. That was nasty, man,

1074
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:48,879
Speaker 1: but it was nasty, and they were just tip for tat,

1075
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:53,399
Speaker 1: just tipped for tat. It wasn't and the team really

1076
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 1: just again, you know the part of Draymond being kicked

1077
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 1: out of that, you know, spend it for that next game.

1078
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 1: It's just like, no matter what, we have to go

1079
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 1: here with the purpose to win the game. Does that

1080
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:08,279
Speaker 1: help the situation? Absolutely? Draymond man impacts the game the

1081
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 1: way he does. But regardless, we gotta go win the game.

1082
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 1: So y'all put your shoes on, get your hard hats on. Man,

1083
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 1: let's let's go out here and play. And it was

1084
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:20,359
Speaker 1: just like one game at a time. Man, that's really

1085
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 1: it's hard. You know, we've all been in that situation

1086
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 1: right close out games and whatnot when I go home.

1087
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 1: So you guys were able to walk them down win

1088
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 1: the championship, first championship in fifty two years for Cleveland Sports.

1089
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:34,840
Speaker 1: What would that experience like to to to win it

1090
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 1: in that fashion? Uh? Against you know, like I said

1091
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 1: the words of seventy three and nine that year, man

1092
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 1: asked one. There's there's so many storylines. I'm from the Bay,

1093
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 1: you know, bron from Cleveland. To be able for Brian

1094
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 1: to come back home and encompass that. You know, we're

1095
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 1: the only team in history to come back in the

1096
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 1: finals three one. There's so many different storylines in the

1097
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 1: city of Cleveland was lit, man, Cleveland was lit. People

1098
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:03,800
Speaker 1: talk about Cleveland amazing city, and my time there was amazing.

1099
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 1: But that city and the whole state was lit. Like

1100
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 1: if you see the pictures, Man, it was a couple

1101
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:14,760
Speaker 1: of smith didn't wear a shirt for a month. Hey, rightfully,

1102
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:18,800
Speaker 1: so rightfully? So, man, that's the pinnacle right there. But

1103
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 1: now Cleveland was that experience to this to this day.

1104
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:26,799
Speaker 1: That's to me, that's still my the most memorable one

1105
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 1: for me for just just how we had to do it,

1106
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 1: the process. So you guys obviously make it back running

1107
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 1: to the Warriors again, Katie jumps ship and goes to

1108
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 1: Golden State. What was it like playing against those Warrior teams?

1109
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 1: With all that we're talking about it earlier with how

1110
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 1: tough it was chasing stuff around last night? But add

1111
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:46,840
Speaker 1: Katie to that mix, add Clay to that mix, and

1112
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 1: all them boys is hitting on all cylinders? What was

1113
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 1: it like going up against those Warrior teams? And you

1114
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 1: just shake your head, man, I mean, bro, it's um

1115
00:55:56,719 --> 00:56:00,839
Speaker 1: they were game planning for them. You know, I give

1116
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:04,320
Speaker 1: you f Tlu a lot of credit. Man. Our coaching staff,

1117
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:08,279
Speaker 1: like t Louise, very very savvy and some of his

1118
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 1: approaches of trying to slow them down. You ain't are

1119
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 1: you what are you gonna do? You have to try

1120
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 1: to slow them down, and it's just you know, you

1121
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:22,239
Speaker 1: got three headed monster and let's let's legit, man. We

1122
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 1: just we just try to compete as best we could.

1123
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 1: You know, you try to put yourself in a position

1124
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 1: where one you have to try to make them work

1125
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 1: on the defensive end, But really, I mean, what can

1126
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:35,400
Speaker 1: you do with that? That was those were Those were

1127
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:39,399
Speaker 1: some tough, some tough battles against a against a team

1128
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 1: that just had a lot of firepower. But the thing

1129
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:44,759
Speaker 1: to me that people don't talk about enough. Yes, those

1130
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 1: three dudes and who they are, but we really made

1131
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:50,840
Speaker 1: them great with the freaking players around them, role players

1132
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 1: and dudes really bought into their roles and they did

1133
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:58,319
Speaker 1: them roles at a high level. That's what made them

1134
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:01,840
Speaker 1: three do so so old, dynamic, and even harder to

1135
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 1: guard because the other dudes on the floor smart, man,

1136
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 1: they were smart. They knew what they were doing, they

1137
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 1: knew what to play, they knew when to try to score.

1138
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 1: Egua Dolla, you know Livingston Barbosa, you know David west Bogan,

1139
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 1: you know David Lee bro I mean, all of these

1140
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 1: dudes were just cerebral players, and it's just people didn't

1141
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 1: give enough credit to the to the supporting castle they have.

1142
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 1: So your Cleveland, your time in Cleveland, Uh comes to

1143
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:30,440
Speaker 1: an end. You end up going to Toronto. You you

1144
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 1: told us how you got there. Um, what was it

1145
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 1: like getting to work with Kyle Lowry and and and

1146
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 1: and Kauai and on the build up to that finals run? Yeah? Man,

1147
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 1: it was Toronto was Toronto was a dope experience. Man,

1148
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 1: that's a dope city. Great people who man, great great city.

1149
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:49,960
Speaker 1: I got a couple of kids out there. I thought

1150
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 1: I did, but out uh I think. Um. I had

1151
00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 1: a misconception with Kyle Lowry, you know, just playing against

1152
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 1: all the years, he's just he's an irritant, right, And

1153
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 1: I hated coaching against him because he just he messed

1154
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 1: with the game. He knows how to mess with the game. Cepts.

1155
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:10,479
Speaker 1: Those dudes, man, they know how to manipulate the game,

1156
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 1: super smart and so playing against him all those years,

1157
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:16,440
Speaker 1: I was just like, man, still get on my nerves.

1158
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 1: But once I got to Toronto and was actually in

1159
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 1: the gym with him and saw what his process was

1160
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 1: about every day what straight pro like pro every day

1161
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 1: man on it. He competes every night, he leaves it

1162
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 1: on the floor for his teammates and just a stand

1163
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 1: up dude, like like an incredible, incredible dude off the

1164
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 1: court as well. So my respect for him and is

1165
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 1: at a high high level. Um again, I didn't know Kauai.

1166
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 1: Didn't know Kauai from Adam that never had a relationship

1167
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 1: with him. And he he is not what people think,

1168
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 1: you know, just from the sense of his personality. Um,

1169
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:57,400
Speaker 1: his Kauai got a little bit of he got a

1170
00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 1: little bit of comedian in it. Man of that ship

1171
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 1: go around listen here, l a dude he is. He is.

1172
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 1: He is in l a dude like through and two

1173
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:08,920
Speaker 1: and when and when you're around him, you know and

1174
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 1: you get to know him. Oh man, he is not

1175
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 1: what people think. B But Kauai is cut from the

1176
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:19,640
Speaker 1: same cloth as cold as brown, as m J. Like,

1177
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 1: he cut from that cloth in the sense that his

1178
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 1: work and the first time we worked out together, um,

1179
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 1: you know, after the trade and stuff cleared, you know,

1180
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:32,240
Speaker 1: I reached out to him and said, man, I'm I'm

1181
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 1: just excited to you know, get with you and try

1182
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 1: to build. And he was like when you come in

1183
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 1: to San Diego. And we got to San Diego and

1184
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 1: we got in the gym, and he's just a a

1185
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 1: little coach. I'll just tell you like that, I like

1186
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:45,200
Speaker 1: the gym quiet. I don't like people in the gym.

1187
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 1: I like to get my work in. That set the

1188
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 1: tone right there, set the tone. And he is just

1189
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 1: one of those dudes that like really just about getting better.

1190
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 1: You know, he wanted He's like, Yo, I want to

1191
00:59:57,680 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 1: get with COLDE. You know how when when can we

1192
00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 1: get with cold I'm I'm trying to trying to get

1193
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 1: that that process. So we got what We went went

1194
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:07,520
Speaker 1: down and spend some time with Cold just and he

1195
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 1: was always luck man, I want I want to I

1196
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 1: want to figure out this post up stuff. I want

1197
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 1: to get my footwork round. I want to get my

1198
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:13,960
Speaker 1: handles right. You know, I want to be able to

1199
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 1: be able to shake dudes free and create. And he

1200
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 1: was just really one of them dudes. Man. It just

1201
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 1: student of the game. You know, people think he's not

1202
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 1: a leader. Leadership comes in different ways, right, It's not

1203
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 1: always vocal. Example, he shows up. No you're not perfect,

1204
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 1: but he shows up and he works. He's a worker,

1205
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:36,120
Speaker 1: He is in the gym working on his craft all

1206
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 1: the time. Man, and just a competitor. He wanted to

1207
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:41,880
Speaker 1: do as it compete man. It was it was a

1208
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:45,000
Speaker 1: great opportunity for me to again work with some work

1209
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:47,000
Speaker 1: with some other guys around the league that I didn't know.

1210
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:51,480
Speaker 1: So you guys make this run to the finals. Um,

1211
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 1: what was it like in that series leading into the

1212
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 1: finals against Philly? Kauai hits that shot that takes like

1213
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 1: seven seconds to actually go in the basket. Um, How

1214
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:07,240
Speaker 1: what kind of series was that versus Philly? That was

1215
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:09,560
Speaker 1: the most physical one of the most physical series I've

1216
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 1: I've been a part of. Yeah, that that series, man

1217
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:16,360
Speaker 1: was tough. They prepared us, you know for like every

1218
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 1: round that we played in prepared us for something. But

1219
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:21,520
Speaker 1: they they prepared us. They were physical as ship man

1220
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 1: Like Jimmy Butler, you know, he was a big part

1221
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:26,520
Speaker 1: of the team. But Ben is been is a physical dude.

1222
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 1: People don't understand how physical. They don't understand how physical

1223
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 1: being is. Being is physical and beat is big. You know,

1224
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:36,600
Speaker 1: their whole team, they were a big team and us

1225
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:39,840
Speaker 1: they had to bias, so they played a big lineup,

1226
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 1: and so their their size was a problem. And so

1227
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:45,479
Speaker 1: what they do was, you know, they stuck in beat

1228
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 1: on Pascal, which Colin you know Pascal year man, he

1229
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:51,960
Speaker 1: was he was giving people problems at that fourth spot.

1230
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:54,600
Speaker 1: But you know, and b was so big, you know,

1231
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 1: he could take away some of his drives, take away

1232
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 1: his post ups. So they kind of kind of nullified

1233
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:01,800
Speaker 1: him a little bit. And they just they threw bodies

1234
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:04,520
Speaker 1: at Kauai, you know, Jimmy guarden him to Bias guard

1235
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 1: and being guard him. You know, they had multiple guys

1236
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:10,480
Speaker 1: and it was a it was a physical, physical series, man.

1237
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 1: And as you can tell, Game seven I think could

1238
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:16,920
Speaker 1: win anyway. It could have because it really Philly. At

1239
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:21,040
Speaker 1: one point they had us down two to one, right,

1240
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 1: they had us down to one. We had to win

1241
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:26,000
Speaker 1: game four in Philly or they would have went up

1242
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:28,960
Speaker 1: three one. And that game Kauai just he took that

1243
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:31,600
Speaker 1: game over at the end. But that was a that

1244
01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:34,120
Speaker 1: was a must win game for us, and I think

1245
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:36,080
Speaker 1: that right there was the turning point for the series

1246
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 1: for us in the team because they were they were

1247
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:42,919
Speaker 1: they were at our heads, man, because we won game

1248
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:45,360
Speaker 1: one and they won Game two and three and they

1249
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:48,720
Speaker 1: won them games emphatically. It wasn't like they were Yeah,

1250
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:51,600
Speaker 1: they was beating us. So it was game four was

1251
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:55,040
Speaker 1: it was a he was adjustment. Adjustment. But um, that

1252
01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:57,200
Speaker 1: Philly series was one of the toughest ones I've been

1253
01:02:57,200 --> 01:02:59,160
Speaker 1: a part of. And then you spoke on earlier. You

1254
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:03,200
Speaker 1: needed a little bit of luck and obviously grind and talent.

1255
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:05,600
Speaker 1: You guys run into a warrior team that that it's

1256
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:07,520
Speaker 1: a little bit banged up and not to your you know,

1257
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:10,040
Speaker 1: not not your fault, but that's just how it was.

1258
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:12,440
Speaker 1: So to be able to go in there, and then

1259
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:16,880
Speaker 1: when that series, Katie comes back, gets hurt again, Clay

1260
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:19,240
Speaker 1: tears his knee. At the end of the day, you

1261
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:21,400
Speaker 1: guys end up winning. What was it like to be

1262
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:24,560
Speaker 1: able to help bring the first championship to a country?

1263
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:29,320
Speaker 1: You know, the fans up there in Toronto, they are crazy,

1264
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:34,680
Speaker 1: crazy and and loyal. We got back to Toronto, I

1265
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:38,280
Speaker 1: thought the parade in Cleveland was crazy. Man. It was

1266
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:42,240
Speaker 1: three and a half million people in Toronto for that parade.

1267
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:46,720
Speaker 1: It was that like you said, Matt, it was it

1268
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:50,240
Speaker 1: was a country, not a state, not a city. The

1269
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 1: whole country was put on and it was That was

1270
01:03:55,120 --> 01:03:57,400
Speaker 1: a dope experience, man, to be part of that, to

1271
01:03:57,520 --> 01:04:00,360
Speaker 1: be part of just seeing where they came from, you know,

1272
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:02,920
Speaker 1: the culture of how they built the franchise and and

1273
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 1: then losing so many years in the playoffs to us

1274
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:09,120
Speaker 1: in Cleveland, that was a dope experience. Man. What was

1275
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:12,200
Speaker 1: the energy like when Drake came around, No huge ambassador,

1276
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:15,000
Speaker 1: big fans, that's right by the bench with that energy, like, man,

1277
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:16,680
Speaker 1: you know Drake is one of them dudes. Man, he

1278
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:18,520
Speaker 1: just he put he gonna put the battery in your

1279
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:21,000
Speaker 1: pack man for us and you guys know you're on

1280
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:24,720
Speaker 1: the sidelines. He he was an agitator too, as much

1281
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:27,160
Speaker 1: as anything. He you know, that's why the NBA was

1282
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:29,400
Speaker 1: giving him, giving him a hard times in time. He

1283
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:33,040
Speaker 1: was an agitator to opposing teams and players and he

1284
01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:35,840
Speaker 1: talked big ship. You know, he wanted them dudes may

1285
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:40,880
Speaker 1: he talked. He talked a lot. I think for the players, man,

1286
01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:44,000
Speaker 1: just they all fed off his energy because he was

1287
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:46,720
Speaker 1: you know, that's his team, that's him, that's his city,

1288
01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:49,800
Speaker 1: that's his his love. Man. I think it was it

1289
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:52,960
Speaker 1: was just a perfect storm, that's what it was. It

1290
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:54,760
Speaker 1: was a perfect storm. And like you said Matt. The

1291
01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:58,600
Speaker 1: injuries to the Warriors were you know, it's unfortunately. I'm

1292
01:04:58,600 --> 01:05:01,000
Speaker 1: the type of dude if I'm always feel like you

1293
01:05:01,080 --> 01:05:03,720
Speaker 1: want to try to compete against the best and win

1294
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:06,320
Speaker 1: against the best and play at the high level. But

1295
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:09,680
Speaker 1: but injuries happened, and why everybody else was talking that

1296
01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:12,080
Speaker 1: and no, so listen, man, we still got to win

1297
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:14,960
Speaker 1: these games. We have to win these games. Don't matter

1298
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:17,000
Speaker 1: who's on the floor. You have to win the games.

1299
01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:19,360
Speaker 1: You've got a chance to work with great sweet we

1300
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:22,360
Speaker 1: we've detailed, you know, a handful of them. Give me

1301
01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:25,120
Speaker 1: one word when we ask when we say these players names,

1302
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:30,840
Speaker 1: that comes first thing that comes to mind Kobe and

1303
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:43,040
Speaker 1: one word ship Momba, rest in peace, sight, Kyrie, Swiss Army,

1304
01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:53,120
Speaker 1: knife compartment, Swiss Army, Like just what this skill sets

1305
01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:58,840
Speaker 1: Swiss Army could do it all. Lebron man complete mm

1306
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:02,680
Speaker 1: hm m hm complete as a picture of a complete

1307
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:10,640
Speaker 1: player by far Morely, they call him the terminator dog

1308
01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:15,160
Speaker 1: like like that's that's real. That's like when I think

1309
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:19,320
Speaker 1: of him, when you you you actually think of Kauai's movements,

1310
01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:22,400
Speaker 1: how are yeah? People think he's robotic, but that man

1311
01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:26,160
Speaker 1: like determinator for real, Like like he carries that, I'm

1312
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:29,960
Speaker 1: gonna tell a story to me that's personified. We were

1313
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:33,360
Speaker 1: down to all against Milwaukee, you know. Nick Nurse came

1314
01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 1: into the locker room said, you know, we we're gonna

1315
01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:38,160
Speaker 1: make some adjustment. We'll get back to Toronto and and

1316
01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:41,080
Speaker 1: we're gonna be ready. And Kauai said, the adjustment is

1317
01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:45,600
Speaker 1: I'm guarding your honest we walked out the locker room.

1318
01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:57,439
Speaker 1: That's it right there. I remember that ship. Uh, what's

1319
01:06:57,480 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 1: something you learned from just being able to work those

1320
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:04,960
Speaker 1: or guys out about yourself. I think they really respected

1321
01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:09,040
Speaker 1: my my work ethic, and for me that was something

1322
01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:12,680
Speaker 1: that I wasn't aware of, just my work ethic, and

1323
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:15,800
Speaker 1: they really they respect just to work my work ethic

1324
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:20,640
Speaker 1: more than anything. And for me, man, just it taught me,

1325
01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:25,120
Speaker 1: like I said, man validated. I've always wanted the validation

1326
01:07:25,240 --> 01:07:28,120
Speaker 1: of you know, just just knowing that the way I

1327
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:31,280
Speaker 1: think the game and the right way, yeah, right, the

1328
01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:34,320
Speaker 1: way I try to help players. Just validate knowing that

1329
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:36,560
Speaker 1: you're doing the right thing to see what I even think.

1330
01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:38,160
Speaker 1: I don't know if you realize, but that probably goes

1331
01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:40,120
Speaker 1: even back to your playing days because you said, right

1332
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:41,880
Speaker 1: when you went to the Warriors, who took you under

1333
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:44,240
Speaker 1: the arm, the two best players, Tim Hardaway, it's pretty

1334
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:45,480
Speaker 1: well they don't have to do that, so they must

1335
01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:47,400
Speaker 1: tell you how hard he works, you know. I mean that.

1336
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:50,280
Speaker 1: To be able to translate that into everything you're doing,

1337
01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:53,680
Speaker 1: I think that's dope. Um your return to the Lakers,

1338
01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:57,320
Speaker 1: How did that come about? And how's it been? Man?

1339
01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:00,560
Speaker 1: You know, it was hard to leave Toronto. Man, Toronto

1340
01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:03,440
Speaker 1: was you know again, And even with Kauai leaving, I was.

1341
01:08:03,720 --> 01:08:06,040
Speaker 1: I was locked in for three years. It was it

1342
01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:08,680
Speaker 1: was hard decision to leave. But I think that the

1343
01:08:09,480 --> 01:08:11,560
Speaker 1: the biggest thing for me was, like I said, I

1344
01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:13,320
Speaker 1: have an eight year old son who lives here in

1345
01:08:13,360 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 1: Los Angeles and being able to be close to him,

1346
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:22,360
Speaker 1: that was that was the main, the main priority. And obviously,

1347
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:26,920
Speaker 1: look the Lakers were We're putting together a championship caliber team.

1348
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:30,439
Speaker 1: And when I left the Lakers the first time, you know,

1349
01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:33,600
Speaker 1: I walked out of the building saying I want to

1350
01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:35,240
Speaker 1: come back here one day and be a coach on

1351
01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:36,720
Speaker 1: the front of the bench and I want to win

1352
01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:41,080
Speaker 1: a championship here. I left saying that, and to be

1353
01:08:41,200 --> 01:08:43,599
Speaker 1: able to come back and have that come to fruition

1354
01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:47,400
Speaker 1: as in all things too. You know, again the championship

1355
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:49,400
Speaker 1: caliber piece was a part of it, and do we

1356
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:52,720
Speaker 1: have a team to compete coming back here? So it

1357
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:54,800
Speaker 1: was again that was another thing that was kind of

1358
01:08:54,920 --> 01:08:58,240
Speaker 1: everything was was nicely wrapped, but my son was was

1359
01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:01,200
Speaker 1: the UH was the biggest, biggest part of that decision

1360
01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:04,760
Speaker 1: for me. So you returned to the Lakers um, like

1361
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:07,160
Speaker 1: I said, obviously was a mess for all of us.

1362
01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:12,280
Speaker 1: We lose code at the beginning of what's the team's

1363
01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:15,679
Speaker 1: energy focused like and then the drive to actually winning

1364
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:19,400
Speaker 1: it the year he passes. Yeah, at first it was tough, man,

1365
01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:23,160
Speaker 1: It was a tough That was a tough adjustment for

1366
01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:25,600
Speaker 1: the team because you know, you you get through that

1367
01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:28,960
Speaker 1: initial stages, you know, the first few days right, kind

1368
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:30,479
Speaker 1: of get used to it. But every time we went

1369
01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:34,120
Speaker 1: on the road, teams did a Kobe tribute every that

1370
01:09:34,320 --> 01:09:36,880
Speaker 1: that season, So it was it was tough to kind

1371
01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:40,240
Speaker 1: of kind of put it behind you. But I think, um,

1372
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:43,960
Speaker 1: once we got to the bubble, you kind of felt

1373
01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:48,240
Speaker 1: like everybody's uh motivation and then they pulled out their

1374
01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:53,080
Speaker 1: mama jerseys, They pulled out their Mama Jersey's dog. You

1375
01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:57,559
Speaker 1: saw just a whole different different for someone forever reason. Man,

1376
01:09:57,640 --> 01:10:00,560
Speaker 1: they they played at a different sense of urgency. But

1377
01:10:01,479 --> 01:10:04,400
Speaker 1: you kind of felt everybody was really really pulling, pulling

1378
01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:06,599
Speaker 1: in that direction, man, and trying to do something special.

1379
01:10:07,080 --> 01:10:09,280
Speaker 1: When you reflect on Kobe and his memory, what what

1380
01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:14,760
Speaker 1: stands out? Man? His realness? His realness? Man, he was

1381
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:18,040
Speaker 1: he was misunderstood man. People. I asked him one time,

1382
01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:19,840
Speaker 1: Matt Like, I asked him, I said, why you're such

1383
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:23,599
Speaker 1: an asshole? I asked him that. He said, you really

1384
01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:26,040
Speaker 1: want to know? You know how he was, And he

1385
01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:29,479
Speaker 1: said to me, said, Phil, Man, some of my teammates

1386
01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:32,960
Speaker 1: don't understand the work. He says, So I see dudes

1387
01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:35,439
Speaker 1: walk into practice ten minutes before practice and they leave

1388
01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:37,880
Speaker 1: right after. Why the fund am I gonna pass them

1389
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:41,840
Speaker 1: to basketball? I don't respect the work ethic. I'm in

1390
01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:45,840
Speaker 1: here busting my ass every day trying to perfect my craft,

1391
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:48,120
Speaker 1: and these dudes, these dudes don't want to work on

1392
01:10:48,160 --> 01:10:50,559
Speaker 1: the game. I don't trust him, So I'm not gonna

1393
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:52,800
Speaker 1: pass on the basketball. I'm gonna ride them hard every day.

1394
01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:56,680
Speaker 1: Made perfect sense when he really broke it down as

1395
01:10:56,720 --> 01:10:59,080
Speaker 1: to why he is the way he is with certain dudes.

1396
01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:04,320
Speaker 1: I was just like, I respect that, bro, I respect that,

1397
01:11:04,439 --> 01:11:06,960
Speaker 1: but his realness in the sense of, you know, he

1398
01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:11,439
Speaker 1: told me. He was like, look, man, you have you

1399
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:15,320
Speaker 1: have an ability to connect with people. Don't do not

1400
01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:19,639
Speaker 1: concern yourself with what people think about you. He told

1401
01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:22,479
Speaker 1: me that, man, and just and that sunk in. It

1402
01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:24,880
Speaker 1: sunk in. He said, look, you got to move the

1403
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:27,360
Speaker 1: way you move to make sure you do your job,

1404
01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:29,920
Speaker 1: make sure you're professional, make sure you study the game,

1405
01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:32,519
Speaker 1: but don't be concerned with what people think about you.

1406
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:35,680
Speaker 1: And that stuck with me ever since since I've been

1407
01:11:35,720 --> 01:11:37,880
Speaker 1: in this league. He was a pro that I laughed

1408
01:11:37,880 --> 01:11:39,600
Speaker 1: when you said the five forty five thing because I

1409
01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:42,360
Speaker 1: automatically knew five forty five in the morning because I

1410
01:11:42,479 --> 01:11:44,840
Speaker 1: just have to go out to Orange County and what TI,

1411
01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:46,400
Speaker 1: what are you wanting to meet you at the track?

1412
01:11:47,400 --> 01:11:50,920
Speaker 1: Like Nick, it's still dark. We're talking about we got run.

1413
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:53,000
Speaker 1: We gotta run, and we gotta hit the gym. We

1414
01:11:53,080 --> 01:11:54,479
Speaker 1: hit the gym and lift so hard I felt like

1415
01:11:54,520 --> 01:11:56,120
Speaker 1: I couldn't lift my arms up. And then we gotta

1416
01:11:56,120 --> 01:11:58,080
Speaker 1: go shoot for like two hours at like the Worth

1417
01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:02,439
Speaker 1: experienced it. Matt I ran through you. You experienced people don't.

1418
01:12:02,840 --> 01:12:06,559
Speaker 1: People don't really understand like what that was about with him. Yeah,

1419
01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:08,479
Speaker 1: he respected you. He sucked with you if they like

1420
01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:09,880
Speaker 1: he said, he would have me come out there, we

1421
01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:11,800
Speaker 1: go work out, then we go have breakfast and everything.

1422
01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:13,080
Speaker 1: And like I said, I know he didn't let too

1423
01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:14,680
Speaker 1: many people do that, you know what I mean, to

1424
01:12:14,760 --> 01:12:16,360
Speaker 1: be able to get that side of him was doping.

1425
01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:17,960
Speaker 1: It's funny because I asked him the same questions like

1426
01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:20,679
Speaker 1: why don't you ever show I didn't say be an assholes,

1427
01:12:20,680 --> 01:12:22,840
Speaker 1: Like why don't you show the world how dope you

1428
01:12:22,920 --> 01:12:25,280
Speaker 1: are and how you are with us? And he looked

1429
01:12:25,320 --> 01:12:28,080
Speaker 1: at me and he said, I can't let the motherfucker

1430
01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:30,000
Speaker 1: see that, you know what I mean. It was just

1431
01:12:30,120 --> 01:12:32,760
Speaker 1: like that constant always go because you know, you know,

1432
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:34,400
Speaker 1: and a lot of Kobe as cool as funk. I

1433
01:12:34,520 --> 01:12:36,599
Speaker 1: was talking to him, he would talk back. We'd all

1434
01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:38,960
Speaker 1: talk and joke on each other, but you would if

1435
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:40,720
Speaker 1: you didn't see that, you would never know he was

1436
01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:43,120
Speaker 1: probably similar to quiet. You would never know that. That's

1437
01:12:43,160 --> 01:12:45,920
Speaker 1: what kind of shift he's on. Man ultimate competitor. And

1438
01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:49,400
Speaker 1: I know you remember that day right practice when he

1439
01:12:49,479 --> 01:12:54,000
Speaker 1: was second unit when y'all was tearing Bro. He was pissed.

1440
01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:59,160
Speaker 1: They were beating up brakes off and talking to and

1441
01:12:59,200 --> 01:13:02,160
Speaker 1: it was like just one game. It was like one

1442
01:13:02,280 --> 01:13:04,000
Speaker 1: game that Co was like running back. It was the

1443
01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:06,559
Speaker 1: second game running back, and then it was the third game,

1444
01:13:06,920 --> 01:13:09,439
Speaker 1: and then finally CO said we did and practice. Man

1445
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:13,040
Speaker 1: Cod flipped over tables. He was cussing everybody. Bro. It

1446
01:13:13,160 --> 01:13:19,240
Speaker 1: was he the whole thing you're supposed to were supposed

1447
01:13:19,240 --> 01:13:21,120
Speaker 1: to win the championship with, y'all start with this unit,

1448
01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:23,519
Speaker 1: you know, I mean just getting under the skin. He

1449
01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:26,840
Speaker 1: was pissed at practicing end first of all. And once

1450
01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:29,120
Speaker 1: we called it, I think it was flipping over tables,

1451
01:13:29,200 --> 01:13:33,280
Speaker 1: water containers. He was heated. That's funny. I ain't talked

1452
01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:35,880
Speaker 1: about that. Yeah, I remember that day. It was funny.

1453
01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:40,680
Speaker 1: What was the NBA bubble and championship run? Like, man,

1454
01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:42,200
Speaker 1: that was one of the hardest things I've ever done.

1455
01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:47,080
Speaker 1: For a long other day. It was hard in the

1456
01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:49,040
Speaker 1: sense of, you know, just being away from your family

1457
01:13:49,560 --> 01:13:52,679
Speaker 1: comfort zone, just just different. You don't have your normal

1458
01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:56,599
Speaker 1: stuff during the season routines or players routines where everybody's

1459
01:13:56,640 --> 01:13:59,240
Speaker 1: routines were just throwing out the window. But I think

1460
01:13:59,320 --> 01:14:03,160
Speaker 1: the hardest part it was was U one, the no

1461
01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:06,240
Speaker 1: fans thing took. It took a while to get adjusted

1462
01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:09,560
Speaker 1: to that, because where you generate energy from things, you know.

1463
01:14:10,080 --> 01:14:12,120
Speaker 1: And so I'm gonna tell you, man, we had a

1464
01:14:12,200 --> 01:14:17,479
Speaker 1: crew like Dwight Howard, JaVale, McGee, j R. Smith, Rondo

1465
01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:20,560
Speaker 1: and them dudes on the bench. Bro. They used to

1466
01:14:21,240 --> 01:14:24,960
Speaker 1: they generated so much energy, like the energy that they

1467
01:14:25,080 --> 01:14:29,560
Speaker 1: brought Javelle and Dwight alone them Bro, they were like

1468
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:35,920
Speaker 1: teens screaming fall out. So the challenge was, you know,

1469
01:14:36,320 --> 01:14:39,080
Speaker 1: just just being there. And but again we had a

1470
01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:41,639
Speaker 1: special group, you know, we had a bunch of dudes

1471
01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:44,679
Speaker 1: that felt like that stuff to prove. Rondo, the White

1472
01:14:45,400 --> 01:14:48,280
Speaker 1: you know, Broun, you know, even a d like our

1473
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:50,680
Speaker 1: whole team, you know guys, we felt like they had

1474
01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:55,760
Speaker 1: stuff to prove. And so the mindset of them dudes, man,

1475
01:14:55,840 --> 01:14:59,080
Speaker 1: we're here for one reason, we are here for one reason,

1476
01:14:59,439 --> 01:15:02,360
Speaker 1: and wants to layoffs started. Man. They just they automatically

1477
01:15:02,439 --> 01:15:06,120
Speaker 1: clicked into that. Them dudes, when I say, they were

1478
01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:08,759
Speaker 1: as bought in and as much involved in our coaches

1479
01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:10,560
Speaker 1: meetings as we were. Like Rondo used to be in

1480
01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:15,200
Speaker 1: our meetings, like just like like for real, man, they

1481
01:15:15,240 --> 01:15:18,040
Speaker 1: were brought into trying to win um and it was

1482
01:15:18,240 --> 01:15:22,080
Speaker 1: it was really just generating the energy. And then again,

1483
01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:24,360
Speaker 1: you know, once you get into that part of it

1484
01:15:25,280 --> 01:15:27,800
Speaker 1: just I think it was some some ways it was

1485
01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:30,640
Speaker 1: easier because you didn't have a lot of distractions, but

1486
01:15:31,240 --> 01:15:32,519
Speaker 1: you know, on the flip side of that, again, you

1487
01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:35,080
Speaker 1: didn't have your family. Your comfort zone was gone, so

1488
01:15:35,160 --> 01:15:37,439
Speaker 1: we just we had to find ways. Man, through that

1489
01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:40,760
Speaker 1: four months, it just really a long time, a long

1490
01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:43,080
Speaker 1: time to be on the resort. No, look, the NBA

1491
01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:45,360
Speaker 1: on the flip side of the NBA did a They

1492
01:15:45,400 --> 01:15:47,960
Speaker 1: did a fantastic job. You know, people don't really talk

1493
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:51,599
Speaker 1: about what they did to make that place as comfortable

1494
01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:54,720
Speaker 1: as possible. They had. We had everything we needed in there.

1495
01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:57,080
Speaker 1: I mean they had movie theaters, you have restaurants, you

1496
01:15:57,240 --> 01:16:01,200
Speaker 1: you can go fishing, you go golfing, but you you

1497
01:16:01,320 --> 01:16:03,840
Speaker 1: had everything you needed. But it was just one of

1498
01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:07,519
Speaker 1: those things where if you were not locked into being

1499
01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:10,080
Speaker 1: in the bubble to to really try to compete and win,

1500
01:16:11,160 --> 01:16:12,360
Speaker 1: if you win in the bubble with him and I

1501
01:16:12,360 --> 01:16:13,920
Speaker 1: don't want to be here, You're gonna You're gonna be

1502
01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:17,320
Speaker 1: home soon you were done right, and so we had

1503
01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:19,800
Speaker 1: we had it. I always said, man, whoever, whenever team

1504
01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:23,400
Speaker 1: comes into the bubble with the strongest mental fortitude, it's

1505
01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:25,719
Speaker 1: gonna win. You're big on mental. You're big on mental,

1506
01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:27,599
Speaker 1: especially at this level. I mean, because I don't think

1507
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:30,120
Speaker 1: people understand how important mental aspect of the game is.

1508
01:16:30,439 --> 01:16:33,160
Speaker 1: I'd say nine of the game is mental at this level,

1509
01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:37,240
Speaker 1: especially when you get into the playoffs. Right, you get

1510
01:16:37,280 --> 01:16:39,080
Speaker 1: into the playoffs, you lose a game that you're not

1511
01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:43,280
Speaker 1: supposed to lose, your mentals has gotta be You gotta

1512
01:16:43,320 --> 01:16:45,400
Speaker 1: be right to wherever you can. You can you can

1513
01:16:45,479 --> 01:16:50,599
Speaker 1: readjust and bounce back quickly. You spoke on Rhando being

1514
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:53,920
Speaker 1: in the coaches meeting, How instrumental was he coming back

1515
01:16:53,960 --> 01:16:56,240
Speaker 1: because he wasn't gonna come back. I don't instrumental was

1516
01:16:56,320 --> 01:16:58,160
Speaker 1: he coming back in the playoffs in the bubble and

1517
01:16:58,280 --> 01:17:01,280
Speaker 1: obviously helping you guys win? Yeah, we didn't win. We

1518
01:17:01,320 --> 01:17:03,479
Speaker 1: don't win that trip with a Rondo. And you ask

1519
01:17:03,560 --> 01:17:08,240
Speaker 1: anybody on that team, coaches, players, front office, man. Rondo's

1520
01:17:09,240 --> 01:17:11,920
Speaker 1: probably one of the smartest i Q basketball players that

1521
01:17:11,960 --> 01:17:15,240
Speaker 1: ever lays up shoes. He shot the lights out to listen,

1522
01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:18,880
Speaker 1: and people people give him flat for that. Rondod can shoot.

1523
01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:22,320
Speaker 1: He just don't you know. His gravitation is to do

1524
01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:26,040
Speaker 1: what he does right, play, make involve other people. Man,

1525
01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:28,960
Speaker 1: that man is a maestro straight up. He is a

1526
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:33,640
Speaker 1: basketball savant in his sense of his dissection. You know,

1527
01:17:33,800 --> 01:17:36,640
Speaker 1: Rondo argue with you. I got many arguments Rondo, you know,

1528
01:17:36,680 --> 01:17:39,120
Speaker 1: because he his thing was like I studied this ship

1529
01:17:39,200 --> 01:17:41,040
Speaker 1: and I'm black man, so do I you know, our

1530
01:17:41,080 --> 01:17:44,599
Speaker 1: whole coaches staff, you know. But but but that's you want.

1531
01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:46,840
Speaker 1: That's what you want, man, you know, as a as

1532
01:17:46,880 --> 01:17:50,560
Speaker 1: a as a coach and organization and and just you

1533
01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:52,599
Speaker 1: can win with dudes like that. Doc said he used

1534
01:17:52,600 --> 01:17:54,559
Speaker 1: to have to give him as a play card before

1535
01:17:54,600 --> 01:17:55,960
Speaker 1: the game. He said, Ron to be looking at the

1536
01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:59,040
Speaker 1: play card calling Ship before I even call Rondo. You

1537
01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:01,880
Speaker 1: try to put some that's saying teacher team. Ronda already

1538
01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:03,800
Speaker 1: on five or six different counters. What the other dudes

1539
01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:05,920
Speaker 1: is still trying to figure out the basic part of

1540
01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:08,960
Speaker 1: the play. But he's a he's a different breed man.

1541
01:18:09,200 --> 01:18:15,760
Speaker 1: It how special talent the unicorn, Yeah, unicorn, that's what

1542
01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:20,080
Speaker 1: I said about I called him. Tim Duan on Rod man,

1543
01:18:20,200 --> 01:18:24,240
Speaker 1: stack you, I don't even think A D is special. Man.

1544
01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:33,200
Speaker 1: He could do it seven ft trouble pass, shoot, post up, handle. Man,

1545
01:18:33,560 --> 01:18:36,160
Speaker 1: he's special. And I don't even think A D realizes

1546
01:18:36,200 --> 01:18:40,120
Speaker 1: how special. And what I think great part about that

1547
01:18:40,160 --> 01:18:42,840
Speaker 1: about him is he's such a good dude. Yeah, good

1548
01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:46,040
Speaker 1: good dude, got a great family. But I think A

1549
01:18:46,200 --> 01:18:50,320
Speaker 1: D has an opportunity to He's an NBA, He's an

1550
01:18:50,479 --> 01:18:53,640
Speaker 1: m v P caliber player. And I'm talking about the

1551
01:18:53,680 --> 01:18:56,280
Speaker 1: way he can he can really dominate the game on

1552
01:18:56,479 --> 01:19:00,000
Speaker 1: both ends, Like he cleans up a lot of stuff,

1553
01:19:00,040 --> 01:19:03,120
Speaker 1: UF man, and he's just special talent. Man. They call us,

1554
01:19:03,320 --> 01:19:06,439
Speaker 1: you know, they call him the unicorn. The second time

1555
01:19:07,080 --> 01:19:11,519
Speaker 1: around with Lebron, Um, how special has been being able

1556
01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:14,320
Speaker 1: to work with him and win championships with him? Man,

1557
01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:18,840
Speaker 1: that's been, Um, that's been just like for me, a

1558
01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:21,400
Speaker 1: great Like I said, I've always had the mindset of

1559
01:19:21,520 --> 01:19:24,519
Speaker 1: learning from players. Um, you know, as much as we

1560
01:19:24,640 --> 01:19:27,479
Speaker 1: as coaches try to try to help, And I've learned

1561
01:19:27,479 --> 01:19:31,040
Speaker 1: so much from bron just from commitment, Like his work

1562
01:19:31,080 --> 01:19:34,200
Speaker 1: ethic is insane. The way he takes care of his

1563
01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:37,040
Speaker 1: body is unbelievable. That man is literally in the weight

1564
01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:40,080
Speaker 1: room three hundred sixt or five days. He might take

1565
01:19:40,160 --> 01:19:42,400
Speaker 1: time off the court, but he is doing something to

1566
01:19:42,560 --> 01:19:46,599
Speaker 1: his body every day to keep himself and he's just Uh.

1567
01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:50,800
Speaker 1: I think the misconception is that again that he's you know,

1568
01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:55,320
Speaker 1: he's a coach, he's a gm man, he's coachable a right.

1569
01:19:55,439 --> 01:19:57,760
Speaker 1: He wants to be coached, you know, he want to

1570
01:19:57,840 --> 01:20:00,439
Speaker 1: be He want to be challenged in that way, and

1571
01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:03,599
Speaker 1: I respect that that part of it is because he's

1572
01:20:03,640 --> 01:20:06,840
Speaker 1: never shied away from being uncomfortable in terms of trying

1573
01:20:06,880 --> 01:20:09,960
Speaker 1: to trying to reinvent himself and continue to stretch his

1574
01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:13,360
Speaker 1: game beyond what people think he can do. But he's um,

1575
01:20:13,760 --> 01:20:17,160
Speaker 1: he's just a coachable dude, which is to me the

1576
01:20:17,240 --> 01:20:19,800
Speaker 1: most important piece, you know, because even as coaches, he

1577
01:20:19,880 --> 01:20:22,080
Speaker 1: looks us in the eye, even you know, a coach,

1578
01:20:22,120 --> 01:20:24,639
Speaker 1: whatever you need, whatever you want to coach. But at

1579
01:20:24,680 --> 01:20:27,320
Speaker 1: the same time, he also knows what he wants and

1580
01:20:27,400 --> 01:20:30,600
Speaker 1: he knows that the ingredient for him to be successful,

1581
01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:33,080
Speaker 1: what he needs around him to be able to compete

1582
01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:37,360
Speaker 1: and compete for championships. So that's rare to right, understanding

1583
01:20:37,439 --> 01:20:40,519
Speaker 1: what you what you need around you, what kind of

1584
01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:43,960
Speaker 1: team you need, and then being able to being able

1585
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:46,519
Speaker 1: to execute on it. Being around him a lot. Obviously

1586
01:20:46,600 --> 01:20:48,840
Speaker 1: banged up a little bit this year seeing the kind

1587
01:20:48,840 --> 01:20:50,240
Speaker 1: of work he puts in. How many more years you

1588
01:20:50,280 --> 01:20:52,519
Speaker 1: feel like he has under his belt until he doesn't

1589
01:20:52,520 --> 01:20:57,760
Speaker 1: want to play. That's how man, Until he doesn't want

1590
01:20:57,760 --> 01:21:00,479
Speaker 1: to play. I'll be looking at this dude like, bro,

1591
01:21:01,080 --> 01:21:04,960
Speaker 1: when you're gonna slow down until you don't want to play?

1592
01:21:05,560 --> 01:21:08,280
Speaker 1: And that's you know, that's testament. That's what he does

1593
01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:10,120
Speaker 1: with his body, man, how he takes care of himself.

1594
01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:13,920
Speaker 1: Talk to us about business that you've been able to

1595
01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:16,519
Speaker 1: create outside of basketball. I know you're working. You have

1596
01:21:16,600 --> 01:21:18,200
Speaker 1: an app that's that's up and run and talks to

1597
01:21:18,240 --> 01:21:21,160
Speaker 1: us little bit out the business side outside of basketball. Yeah.

1598
01:21:21,200 --> 01:21:23,840
Speaker 1: I think, um, you know, I think the platform that

1599
01:21:24,080 --> 01:21:27,800
Speaker 1: that we all have this industry is sometimes it's not

1600
01:21:28,040 --> 01:21:30,920
Speaker 1: used properly right, And so I've always had this passion

1601
01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:32,960
Speaker 1: of of what do I want to do with the

1602
01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:37,080
Speaker 1: game of basketball and be able to just share knowledge.

1603
01:21:37,439 --> 01:21:40,680
Speaker 1: I use that phrase all the time, really taken what

1604
01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:43,519
Speaker 1: God has blessed me with and try to help the game.

1605
01:21:43,840 --> 01:21:45,560
Speaker 1: There's a lot of bad trainers out there. It's a

1606
01:21:45,640 --> 01:21:47,840
Speaker 1: lot of it's a lot of bs out there with

1607
01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:51,960
Speaker 1: training and in the whole basketball world. So I created

1608
01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:53,920
Speaker 1: the app. You know, I've had a lot of coaches

1609
01:21:53,960 --> 01:21:55,719
Speaker 1: and trainers reach out to me over the years about

1610
01:21:56,120 --> 01:21:58,880
Speaker 1: my philosophy and what have I done, and so the

1611
01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:01,000
Speaker 1: app is the place that I was like, man, let me,

1612
01:22:01,160 --> 01:22:03,720
Speaker 1: let me put this together and make it because I

1613
01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:06,200
Speaker 1: can't be everywhere, I can't do as much. But the

1614
01:22:06,280 --> 01:22:09,880
Speaker 1: app is a global thing, you know. Game app is

1615
01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:13,439
Speaker 1: that's my passion project, that's my lifelong work right there

1616
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:16,880
Speaker 1: of being able to take you know, this whole system

1617
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:19,760
Speaker 1: and formula that I've tried to create for training and

1618
01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:24,839
Speaker 1: put it in one place where kids, coaches, trainers, players,

1619
01:22:25,479 --> 01:22:28,880
Speaker 1: everybody can have access to it to help. Again, I'm

1620
01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:31,000
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that my way is the only way

1621
01:22:31,040 --> 01:22:35,120
Speaker 1: to teach, but this is what made me success. This

1622
01:22:35,240 --> 01:22:38,280
Speaker 1: is what made me successful, and so that's what the

1623
01:22:38,280 --> 01:22:42,400
Speaker 1: app has been about for me. What it's called game app?

1624
01:22:43,439 --> 01:22:45,280
Speaker 1: Where where can they get it? There? You can get

1625
01:22:45,360 --> 01:22:47,720
Speaker 1: on all platforms, and you know it's real when you

1626
01:22:47,720 --> 01:22:50,400
Speaker 1: can get that ship anywhere all platforms. Man, We're just

1627
01:22:50,479 --> 01:22:53,320
Speaker 1: trying to make it as available to people and as

1628
01:22:53,400 --> 01:22:56,120
Speaker 1: feasible to people to Again, if you really want to

1629
01:22:56,720 --> 01:23:00,320
Speaker 1: figure out some detailed training, you know that app is

1630
01:23:00,400 --> 01:23:02,479
Speaker 1: a It's a great tool. And I'm not just saying

1631
01:23:02,479 --> 01:23:04,639
Speaker 1: it because my app. We put a lot of work

1632
01:23:04,680 --> 01:23:07,920
Speaker 1: into it to make it very easy for people to use.

1633
01:23:08,360 --> 01:23:11,800
Speaker 1: Congratulations on that. Appreciate that advice to young coaches trying

1634
01:23:11,800 --> 01:23:15,960
Speaker 1: to break in this trainings and development of guys. There

1635
01:23:16,080 --> 01:23:20,120
Speaker 1: is no there is no blueprint, There is no there

1636
01:23:20,320 --> 01:23:24,080
Speaker 1: is no everybody asked what's the path? There is no path.

1637
01:23:24,720 --> 01:23:28,160
Speaker 1: Everybody's journey is different. Mine is different than any other,

1638
01:23:28,240 --> 01:23:31,519
Speaker 1: you know, any and everybody's journey is different. And I

1639
01:23:31,560 --> 01:23:35,280
Speaker 1: always tell the coaches that it's not instant. You know

1640
01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:37,000
Speaker 1: a lot of people think you come in or you

1641
01:23:37,320 --> 01:23:39,680
Speaker 1: you have an opportunity to coach in the NBA, and

1642
01:23:39,720 --> 01:23:42,880
Speaker 1: it's just it's instant, oh man. I mean some guys

1643
01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:47,400
Speaker 1: start out being video coordinators, some guys start out being interns. Right,

1644
01:23:47,720 --> 01:23:49,800
Speaker 1: and even when you get the opportunity to be in

1645
01:23:50,720 --> 01:23:54,040
Speaker 1: my own experiences, is I locked into my job? I

1646
01:23:54,200 --> 01:23:57,240
Speaker 1: wasn't looking at being a bench coach. I wasn't looking

1647
01:23:57,280 --> 01:24:00,439
Speaker 1: at being a second assistant. Mike Brown, what's my response? Abilities.

1648
01:24:00,920 --> 01:24:03,519
Speaker 1: All right, I'm locked into that. Let me let me

1649
01:24:03,680 --> 01:24:08,320
Speaker 1: kill that role. I think coaches have the same responsibility

1650
01:24:08,320 --> 01:24:10,360
Speaker 1: as players. We all have a role as a coach.

1651
01:24:10,880 --> 01:24:12,559
Speaker 1: Let me stay in my lane and do my role.

1652
01:24:13,040 --> 01:24:15,719
Speaker 1: And I think, you know, people come into the league,

1653
01:24:15,840 --> 01:24:17,920
Speaker 1: or they try to get in and say, in five years,

1654
01:24:17,960 --> 01:24:20,160
Speaker 1: I want to be this. Five years, I want to

1655
01:24:20,160 --> 01:24:22,360
Speaker 1: be that. Well, what if that's not the plan. What

1656
01:24:22,520 --> 01:24:24,360
Speaker 1: if it's not meant for you to be that in

1657
01:24:24,479 --> 01:24:27,280
Speaker 1: five years. So how about you just whatever your job is,

1658
01:24:27,840 --> 01:24:30,519
Speaker 1: lock into that and be the best that you can

1659
01:24:30,560 --> 01:24:33,120
Speaker 1: be at that part of your job. And then organically,

1660
01:24:33,360 --> 01:24:35,680
Speaker 1: what happened, It's gonna happen wherever, wherever it's meant for

1661
01:24:35,720 --> 01:24:39,000
Speaker 1: you to go. So I'm always telling coaches about you know,

1662
01:24:39,160 --> 01:24:43,280
Speaker 1: just understanding. You know, your journey is different, and my

1663
01:24:43,400 --> 01:24:47,479
Speaker 1: journey was thirteen years. It's a grind, it's a real grind,

1664
01:24:47,560 --> 01:24:50,320
Speaker 1: and it's not a glamorous it's not a glamorous job.

1665
01:24:50,360 --> 01:24:52,639
Speaker 1: It's it's a lot of work. It's a lot of work.

1666
01:24:52,680 --> 01:24:55,120
Speaker 1: And being okay with understanding that may not happen when

1667
01:24:55,120 --> 01:24:59,640
Speaker 1: you wanted to happen. Quick hitters. First thing to come

1668
01:24:59,680 --> 01:25:03,240
Speaker 1: to mind home stretch right here. Top five musical artists.

1669
01:25:03,680 --> 01:25:07,720
Speaker 1: Oh J cole Man, Jay Cosey, I'm different man. I

1670
01:25:07,800 --> 01:25:12,880
Speaker 1: like Jay cole I always fool with jay Z. I'm

1671
01:25:12,920 --> 01:25:18,400
Speaker 1: a nas guy. Um, I'm a fool with Drizzy And

1672
01:25:18,439 --> 01:25:20,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw you all off with this one. I

1673
01:25:20,479 --> 01:25:25,280
Speaker 1: like St. John. I fool with St. John. Okay J

1674
01:25:25,479 --> 01:25:30,400
Speaker 1: fool St John Man. Five more skilled players you've ever seen?

1675
01:25:31,120 --> 01:25:38,599
Speaker 1: Five more skilled Kyrie, Oh Kobe, mm hmmm, Kimla, Juan,

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01:25:40,960 --> 01:25:47,400
Speaker 1: Steve Nash. I might to put Brown in there, and

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Speaker 1: that's not in any particular order. That's nice. Five that's

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01:25:50,040 --> 01:25:53,720
Speaker 1: not in particular order. U plus four going to play

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01:25:53,800 --> 01:25:56,720
Speaker 1: pick up basketball at Oakland at Oakland's Minas Park. Who

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Speaker 1: are you taking? I'm taking g p J Kid, Greg Foster,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna take hook Mitchell. Boy are a legend. If

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Speaker 1: you could go back to one night in your career,

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01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:16,320
Speaker 1: what would it be and why? As a player period player?

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Speaker 1: Coach Man Game seven in the Oracle when we were

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Speaker 1: down three one. Um, I had just my family sitting

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Speaker 1: in the stands, being a boy from born and raised

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Speaker 1: from Oakland, being in that environment when it when it

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Speaker 1: was over, and that was probably the most emotional period

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Speaker 1: of my life for just for a lot of reasons.

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Speaker 1: You know, my parents were no longer alive, but just

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Speaker 1: going through what I had been through to be able

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Speaker 1: to be in that position as a coach. Yeah, that's

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01:26:51,400 --> 01:26:53,720
Speaker 1: that's probably that's the pinnacle of my career right there

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01:26:53,760 --> 01:26:57,640
Speaker 1: that night. M M. Most influential basketball figure in your

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01:26:57,720 --> 01:27:02,760
Speaker 1: life My brother unheard of Ceel Handy Jr. Uh He

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01:27:02,920 --> 01:27:06,479
Speaker 1: was my closest brother. Taught me how to play. He

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Speaker 1: really took me under his wing when I was a

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01:27:08,760 --> 01:27:11,800
Speaker 1: little kid, and he would just beat the ship out

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Speaker 1: of me. Man. My my goal, my number one goal

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01:27:14,240 --> 01:27:16,760
Speaker 1: was to beat him one on one and I don't

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01:27:16,800 --> 01:27:19,800
Speaker 1: ever think I don't think I ever did that drove me,

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01:27:20,680 --> 01:27:23,720
Speaker 1: but he but he inspired me to to really take

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01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:25,519
Speaker 1: the game of basketball, try to do something with it.

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01:27:25,880 --> 01:27:27,920
Speaker 1: Ask questions, who do you want to see on all

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01:27:27,960 --> 01:27:29,720
Speaker 1: the Smoke? And yeah, you have to help us with

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01:27:29,800 --> 01:27:31,320
Speaker 1: your answer. You have to help get us you answer

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01:27:31,360 --> 01:27:32,640
Speaker 1: on the show. Had a couple of guys in your

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01:27:32,680 --> 01:27:35,080
Speaker 1: team that haven't been on the show. Yeah, throwing that

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01:27:35,200 --> 01:27:39,280
Speaker 1: ship out there. Oh man, man boy, all the smoke,

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01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:41,720
Speaker 1: I mean, I know you're trying to get Brown on here.

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01:27:41,760 --> 01:27:43,880
Speaker 1: I know you know you're trying to get a D

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01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:47,920
Speaker 1: on guys. Um, I wouldn't mind seeing Kyrie on here though.

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Speaker 1: We're working on it. Yes, sir, Well Phil Handy Man,

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01:27:53,320 --> 01:27:56,200
Speaker 1: we appreciate you, man Love, I appreciate your brothers Man,

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01:27:58,320 --> 01:28:03,240
Speaker 1: appreciate all the smoke. Special guest Feel Handy World champion,

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01:28:03,320 --> 01:28:06,439
Speaker 1: three time world champion. You've catching some Showtime Basketball YouTube

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01:28:06,479 --> 01:28:09,759
Speaker 1: and the I Heeart platform Black Effects, and he opened

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01:28:09,760 --> 01:28:12,679
Speaker 1: if you need to put something in your bag? Oh yeah,

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01:28:12,960 --> 01:28:15,519
Speaker 1: you might have to get on the waiting list. You

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01:28:15,640 --> 01:28:17,400
Speaker 1: got something to put in your bag. Let's see you

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Speaker 1: all next week. This is All a Smoke, a production

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