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Speaker 2: Epstein obviously dovetails too much broader sort of breakdown going

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Speaker 2: on within MAGA centered around Nick Fuentes, who is an

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Speaker 2: over racist in neo Nazi and he is another element

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Speaker 2: and factor here that is splitting the Republicans apart at

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Speaker 2: this moment and hands some pretty interesting comments recently about

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Speaker 2: how he believes that MAGA is dead and also pointing

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Speaker 2: out some of the hypocrisy of the right and of

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Speaker 2: other MAGA influencers where they want to draw the line

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Speaker 2: at him, but they are perfectly okay with hateful, racist

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Speaker 2: rhetoric when it comes to other other groups, ethnicities, religions,

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Speaker 2: et cetera.

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Speaker 4: Let's take a listen to see two.

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Speaker 5: After this year twenty twenty five is the year that

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Speaker 5: MAGA died. This is the year that this hat is

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Speaker 5: no longer controversial. The hat is not edgy, the hat

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Speaker 5: is not provocative, it doesn't even mean anything. This hat

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Speaker 5: is dead. This hat is dead now metaphorically speaking. And

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Speaker 5: this is the future. And let's look at the ledger.

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Speaker 5: On the side of MAGA, you have Lindsey Graham, Ben Shapiro,

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Speaker 5: Marco Rubio, Randy Fine, Mark Levin. Apparently all of that

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Speaker 5: is MAGA together. They support war with Iran, Chinese students

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Speaker 5: and b visas, three hundred thousand deportations all year.

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Speaker 1: And then on the.

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Speaker 5: Other side, apparently what is not MAGA, what is kicked

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Speaker 5: out of MAGA, wacky crazy haters, Republican haters, democrats, third worldists.

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Speaker 5: You got Tucker Carlson, Marjorie Taylor Green, Thomas Massey, Andrew Tate,

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Speaker 5: Nick Flentis, Alex Jones, you got all these people on

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Speaker 5: the other side in favor of America. First, mass deportations,

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Speaker 5: no foreign students, no foreign workers, no war with Iran,

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Speaker 5: no war with Russia in Ukraine. What has become of

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Speaker 5: the movement. It's been inverted and it is now dead.

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Speaker 5: This coming Monday, and I said, fuck Islam. I said,

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Speaker 5: these Muslims need to go home.

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Speaker 1: Fuck them.

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Speaker 5: They're barbarians. Their third world is they like to live

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Speaker 5: in open sewage and bomb crap. You think any conservative

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Speaker 5: would disavow me, any of them, any Republican? You think

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Speaker 5: if I was known for saying that, do you think

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Speaker 5: I would have any trouble getting into Seapack or the

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Speaker 5: New York Young Republican Club GWA or the GOP.

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Speaker 1: Of course not.

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Speaker 5: Because Laura Lumer has access to the White House and

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Speaker 5: she says stuff like that. Ben Shapiro has access to

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Speaker 5: Trump and he says stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: I mean he's got a point. Doesn't mean that, right,

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Speaker 2: Listen and listen. I want people to be totally clear

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Speaker 2: because Nick Fuentes is trying to whitewash his image right

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Speaker 2: number of podcast hosts, but Tucker Carlson being one of them.

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Speaker 2: This is a man who says he loves thinks Hitler

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Speaker 2: hates Jews, but all sorts of other ethnic groups as well.

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Speaker 2: But he's completely correct there at the end when he says,

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Speaker 2: you know what, if I said all the things that

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Speaker 2: and it's a horror show, it would be no problem.

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Speaker 2: So you are not going to be able to draw

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Speaker 2: the line, Like if all that hateful shit is fine

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Speaker 2: And he's one hundred percent correct about that. You know,

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Speaker 2: I mean, these people support a genocide. They're you know,

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Speaker 2: They're doing mass racial profiling of Latinos, including Latino American citizens,

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Speaker 3: I think that on the Israel issues where it's the

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Speaker 3: about trying it's like, oh, they must disavow. It's like, guys,

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Speaker 3: nobody more embodies no enemies to the right more than

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Speaker 3: the Zionist right. You can say literally anything about dual

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Speaker 3: when I see Palestinian children, you know, being killed and

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Speaker 3: obviously is a mass spreader of disease, So you want

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Speaker 3: the moral authority to tone police what is or is?

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's like again, you know, I can't possibly

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Speaker 3: he wants to New Kagaza. It's like, dude, you are

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Speaker 3: literally openly celebratory of deaths of women and children. And

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Speaker 3: the same standard that you want applied to rhetoric against

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Speaker 3: even really just Muslims, because it's really just anybody who

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Speaker 3: you disagree with period. They most openly, you know, go

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Speaker 3: also you know they talk about damage and about how

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Speaker 3: hurtful and hateful rhetoric and all that is. Who has

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Speaker 3: the most power, Who has the most power The people

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Speaker 3: who have openly cheered on the deaths of women and

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Speaker 3: obvious that you know, if you look at actually has

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Speaker 3: been the most harmed by hurtful rhetoric, it's you, like

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Speaker 3: you're the biggest people for mass murder. And yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 3: look on the MAGA being dead point. We have counted

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Speaker 3: out Trump before, and that's why I don't I mean,

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Speaker 3: look back in after January sixth, you could have made

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Speaker 3: a good case that people were going to move on.

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Speaker 1: Didn't work. Right.

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Speaker 3: Not only just won the nomination, he won the election

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Speaker 3: by popular vote. Right, So I'm not ready to just

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Speaker 3: sit here and discount their own political talent because they've

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Speaker 3: pulled many, many rabbits out of a hat before. Now,

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Speaker 3: whenever it does come to the Israel issue, and specifically

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Speaker 3: think that perhaps is where he is most correct in

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Speaker 3: terms of it is Rubio, It is Laura Lumer, Mark Levin,

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Speaker 3: the pro Israel crowd which have most directly hitched their

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Speaker 3: wagon to Donald Trump, and more directly, they're making it

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Speaker 3: the direct litmus test for twenty twenty eight. Now the

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Speaker 3: anti Israel right, or I guess the pro America right,

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Speaker 3: is also doing the same thing. Part of the reason

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Speaker 3: that that Tucker Fuentes interview happened, I believe I have

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Speaker 3: no inside information, is genuinely to force a choice for

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Speaker 3: wing to be like, Okay, well what do we find

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Speaker 3: most offensive about what's happening here? And you know, like

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Speaker 3: you said, look, I mean god, you know. You know, Nick,

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Speaker 3: he's a very very smart guy in terms of calibrating

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Speaker 3: most appealing to mass audience in the hopes that a

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Speaker 3: three October seventh, resurrected his entire image because he had

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Speaker 3: that's part of the reason that he is in the

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Speaker 3: entirely a creation, I believe, of the Zionist right and

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Speaker 3: a lot of ways rhetorically and into the effect also

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Speaker 3: of destroying Maga Israel is Destroying Maga Israel, is destroying

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Speaker 3: the Republican Party. It already destroyed the Democratic Party. It's

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Speaker 3: destroying much of the Republican Party because it's about generational lines,

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Speaker 3: and it's not just about the actions in kaza. It's

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Speaker 3: you can directly say about Islam, but you're not capable

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Speaker 3: of saying it about this, well, you're a hypocrite and

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Speaker 3: I read that quote from Tire. You may not have

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Speaker 3: about Tucker Carlson. What he says there is is he

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Speaker 3: I mean, I actually do feel more galled by a

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Speaker 3: anybody else. And so in my opinion, you know, they

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Speaker 3: have nobody but themselves to blame. Why should we listen

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Speaker 1: We can't. I can't deal with it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, as I think it would be ideal if

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Speaker 2: gatekeep actual neo Nazis. But when you have you know,

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Speaker 2: think he fundamentally is correct about MAGA being broken apart

435
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Speaker 2: and being dead and not meaning anything. And now people

436
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,920
Speaker 2: are going to have to pick sides of where they are,

437
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 2: and you know, picking the Ben Shapiro side of it's

438
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Speaker 2: fine to hate everybody except the Jews. I don't think

439
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Speaker 2: that that's going to be a sustainable place to continue

440
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Speaker 2: to stand.

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Speaker 3: No it's not a sustainable place, and that is ultimately

442
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Speaker 3: what is fracturing all of this. You can't support a

443
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,680
Speaker 3: literal Jewish ethno state and overtly to the point where

444
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 3: you're willing to sacrifice all of your American principles and

445
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Speaker 3: then say no, we shouldn't have an ethno state here.

446
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,399
Speaker 3: You're like, come on, okay, I mean, it's just so ridiculous,

447
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,440
Speaker 3: and this is part of what is broken down a lot.

448
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,480
Speaker 3: I mean, look, I find it really tragic. I think

449
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 3: it's bad, you know, and I think that I think

450
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Speaker 3: it's really grim because what they don't understand is that

451
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 3: their embrace of Israel has led to this embrace now

452
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Speaker 3: overt racialism. They also don't understand that for a lot

453
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Speaker 3: of people. Let's say, if you're younger, you're twenty two,

454
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 3: you know, and you're just getting into politics, you haven't

455
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Speaker 3: you know, Crystal, You and I have been aware of

456
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:23,440
Speaker 3: fuintes and grew up a phenomenon or whatever for eight years, right,

457
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Speaker 3: so we remember a lot of the past, But they don't.

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Speaker 1: They actually have no idea.

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Speaker 3: They don't you know, they currently see Oh this is

460
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Speaker 3: very reasonable, of course, Oh calling out Trump, Well, yeah,

461
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 3: if that's the tact that we believe that we should

462
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 3: fully take it, you know, in this direction. And so

463
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Speaker 3: I fully understand how disgruntled and especially people who love

464
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Speaker 3: degenerate activity and are seething coping with the variety of

465
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Speaker 3: vices of which everybody knows that I hate, and you

466
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Speaker 3: embrace hateful politics, especially also in the age of large

467
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 3: unimp deployment and inability to meet a spouse, you're fully

468
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:07,360
Speaker 3: addicted to pornography, phone, You're really in a place where

469
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 3: it does not seem society wants to help you. I

470
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Speaker 3: can always intellectually understand, as I have read many books

471
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Speaker 3: of previous countries where this has happened, how this can

472
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Speaker 3: go down that direction. I don't think that that is

473
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Speaker 3: an embrace of that. I think we can just all

474
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Speaker 3: simply understand that radical politics are a logical consequence of

475
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Speaker 3: the current conditions that we currently that we live in.

476
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Speaker 3: Part of the reason why I attack those conditions vehemently,

477
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Speaker 3: part of the reason why we talk about AI and

478
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Speaker 3: many of these other phenomena. But the problem too for

479
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Speaker 3: the Republicans is they're not really trying to address many

480
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Speaker 3: of those issues I just described as well. If anything,

481
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Speaker 3: you're probably making it worse with a lot of the

482
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Speaker 3: rise of AI.

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Speaker 1: So in a multi kind.

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Speaker 3: Of factorial way, I always look at who's in power,

485
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Speaker 3: who is to blame.

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Speaker 1: I think they're the ones to blame. Now, you know,

487
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Speaker 1: people have agency.

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Speaker 3: If you're going to say overtly racist shit, be openly

489
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Speaker 3: anti Semitic, yeah, screw you. Okay, you know, nobody is

490
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Speaker 3: absolving people who hold those views. But it's also not

491
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Speaker 3: difficult to see how that it could be a logical

492
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Speaker 3: endpoint for how you end up in this right now.

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Speaker 3: And you know, Charlie Kirk saw that coming with a

494
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Speaker 3: lot of the Israel stuff that they were dealing with

495
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Speaker 3: over at TPUSA. It's a problem now for the entire

496
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Speaker 3: not just Republican Party. That's just a problem for the

497
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Speaker 3: nation broadly, because you know, like you were saying about

498
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Speaker 3: norms and gatekeeping, if you're willing to blow gatekeeping institutions,

499
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Speaker 3: rhetoric and all of that on behalf of a foreign

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Speaker 3: government for Israel, then you, in my opinion again, are

501
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 3: the person then who opened up the so called gates

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Speaker 3: to every you know, crazy person in America. So, because

503
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Speaker 3: you have no moral authority anymore, you have to restore

504
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Speaker 3: some sort of moral authority and civic understanding between people

505
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Speaker 3: so that we can all reagree kind of on what

506
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Speaker 3: guardrails and all that were. That's part of the reason

507
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Speaker 3: I hate the mainstream media right is because I'm like, listen,

508
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Speaker 3: I know, yeah, independent media is in some great bastion,

509
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Speaker 3: But I thought that some of the norms and the

510
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 3: things that they find offensive whatever are horrible and aren't bad.

511
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Speaker 3: But what we're living through is kind of a reformation

512
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Speaker 3: of that, and we're living with the logical consequence of

513
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 3: what I think again, a lot of these establishment people

514
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Speaker 3: propped up and they normalized you know, ethno state worship

515
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 3: and sacrificing principles on behalf of foreign government. Well, where

516
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,360
Speaker 3: did you think it was going to go? And many

517
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 3: people were warned about this too. Ze Jelani in particular

518
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 3: has been at the forefront always about how openly embracing

519
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,640
Speaker 3: so you know, and supporting kakurrent Israeli government, Israeli policy,

520
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 3: the destruction a lot of the domestic policy which is

521
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Speaker 3: overtly on behalf of Israel, not only increasing anti Semitism,

522
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Speaker 3: undermining American values, and how ultimately the idea that we

523
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Speaker 3: should all just be treated equally is kind of directly

524
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Speaker 3: undermined by a lot of the pro Israel project. And

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00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 3: that's so when people take that seriously, that type of rhetoric,

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Speaker 3: they will embrace the American kind of end of that.

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Speaker 3: And that's scary for everyone, Jews included, but not just them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, indeed, and I mean, I want to be clear,

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Speaker 2: I don't think that Fuentes style neo Nazism is going

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Speaker 2: to succeed as a political project. I don't think it's

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Speaker 2: a majority coalition. But I do think it is succeeding

532
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 2: at destroying Mecca. And I think that it uh, you

533
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 2: know so, and look, put it on full display, let

534
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 2: people see, you know, what the views are, the hate

535
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Speaker 2: and the ugliness that is embraced by you know, people

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Speaker 2: within a validly like central racialist worldview. And you know,

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Speaker 2: I think most Americans, I have enough faith in the

538
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Speaker 2: in this country that I think most Americans will be

539
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Speaker 2: repelled and disgusted by you know, a group of people

540
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Speaker 2: who you know follows a guy who says that he

541
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Speaker 2: thinks Hettler's great and the Holocaust was was faked or exaggerated,

542
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Speaker 2: and that he's worried about quote unquote organized jewry and

543
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Speaker 2: you know, all the horrific things that he says about

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Speaker 2: every minority group. I think that will be rejected by Americans.

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Speaker 2: But he certainly has caused, like I said, he's caused

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Speaker 2: a choosing within the Republican Party. And it's probably a

547
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Speaker 2: good segue here to our conversation about Israel and what's

548
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Speaker 2: going on there.

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Speaker 3: Turning now to the question of Israel in the American

550
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Speaker 3: right and also, as I mentioned previously, about not just

551
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Speaker 3: the right but also the mainstream media. There was an incredible,

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Speaker 3: incredible exchange between Marjorie Taylor Green and Dana Bash over

553
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Speaker 3: at CNN. Dana Bash has been pretty vehemently pro Israel

554
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 3: from the beginning of the October seventh attack and has

555
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 3: consistently defended the government and made accusations around anti Semitism

556
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Speaker 3: on CNN. But here, in particular, Marjorie Taylor Green raises

557
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Speaker 3: drop site newses and Ryan Grim's reporting around Epstein and

558
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Speaker 3: Israel connection, and Dana Bash seems a gas unaware And

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Speaker 3: this is one of the most exposing clips I've ever

560
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Speaker 3: seen yet on the issue.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 7: You questioned who and what country is putting so much

563
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Speaker 7: pressure on Trump to keep the Epstein files hidden, and

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Speaker 7: you included a picture about donations from pro Israel lobbying

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Speaker 7: group at APAC. What are you trying to say there?

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Speaker 6: Well, I think it's the question that many Americans are asking,

567
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Speaker 6: especially when we saw information recently come out and these

568
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Speaker 6: emails that the Oversight Committee that I serve on has released,

569
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Speaker 6: and we saw Jeffriette Sein with ties to a hood Barack.

570
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Speaker 6: We saw him making business deals with them, also business

571
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Speaker 6: deals that involved the Israeli government and seems to have

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Speaker 6: led into their intel agencies. And I think the right

573
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Speaker 6: question is to ask is was JEFFREYE. Epstein working for Israel?

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Speaker 6: And I'm proud to say I don't take money from APAC.

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Speaker 6: I don't take money from any special group of people.

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Speaker 6: I'm just representing my district and the American people, and

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Speaker 6: so that's what I referring to.

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Speaker 7: I just want to be clear. Are you saying Israel

579
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Speaker 7: is pushing the President of the United States to cover

580
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Speaker 7: up the Epstein files? And what evidence do you have

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Speaker 7: that that is?

582
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Speaker 6: Simply no, I simply asked no. I simply just asked

583
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Speaker 6: out loud. Is there a foreign government? It could be

584
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Speaker 6: any foreign government, but is a foreign government pushing to

585
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Speaker 6: keep this covered up because people just don't understand the

586
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Speaker 6: big fight against.

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Speaker 7: Well, you had APAC up there. It was pretty clear

588
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Speaker 7: which government you were talking about.

589
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Speaker 6: That I'm questioning that government in particular, and questioning any

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Speaker 6: other foreign government.

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Speaker 3: Oh, it's pretty clear which government. Yeah, what's wrong with

592
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 3: you talking about that government? The evidence is straight up,

593
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 3: it's right there. I mean, what's the problem with it.

594
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 3: It's just so ridiculous, and it's it's just crazy. It's

595
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 3: it's you know, I really believe that the Israel Epstein

596
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 3: connection is one of the reasons why not just Trump,

597
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 3: But a lot of the concern media was so reluctant

598
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Speaker 3: to actually go full on in the release of the

599
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 3: Epstein files. I've actually always found it a little bit ironic.

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Speaker 3: I've been at the story, you know, the Mosat theory

601
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Speaker 3: and all that.

602
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Speaker 1: With Epstein.

603
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 3: It was a theory now is basically confirmed in terms

604
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Speaker 3: of his acting as an agent often on behalf of Israel,

605
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 3: not just for Israel, many other foreign governments. But there

606
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 3: was you know, originally like this belief, Oh, it'll just

607
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 3: be the Democrats that are going to be implicated. Well,

608
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 3: one of the reasons why it appears he got the

609
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 3: sweetheart deal in more at least again, you know, my

610
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 3: personal theory is because of his power, broken connections all

611
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Speaker 3: across the world, Israel, Russia, Saudi Arabia, all of these

612
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 3: different governments, Mongolia, the Cote de Noir. That's what Ryan

613
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 3: and the Full Picture have revealed of the backstory behind

614
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Speaker 3: Epstein money laundering, pedophilia and all of that was the

615
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 3: pedophilia was like a thing that he did with a

616
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Speaker 3: you know, at times with the global elite. But the

617
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Speaker 3: money laundering and his connections, his ability to be a

618
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Speaker 3: power broker, perhaps at times intertweeting the two, it's not

619
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Speaker 3: a ton of evidence, you know, to support that at

620
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Speaker 3: the very least was why he was protected at some

621
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Speaker 3: level by some of the most richest and powerful people.

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Speaker 3: So the very fact that CNN had data Bash are

623
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Speaker 3: acting like this is new information that they'd never even.

624
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Speaker 1: Heard about before.

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Speaker 3: It just shows you still the information bubble that a

626
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 3: lot of the mainstream media and all of them are

627
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 3: swimming in. And it's just such a disgrace that Ryan

628
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 3: and Drops are the only people who are willing to

629
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 3: report those emails that shows like ours are the only

630
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 3: people even willing to talk about it. And you know,

631
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Speaker 3: a lot of the public is just living in They

632
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,719
Speaker 3: have no idea if they're not reading or paying an attention.

633
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 3: The New York Times will talk all day long about

634
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Speaker 3: Epstein and Trump, which is fine. I don't care publish it.

635
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 3: You know, sure, it's definitely a story. Epstein Israel is

636
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 3: also a big story. Where are you guys?

637
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: Nothing?

638
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, Ryan Graham and Martazza Hussaying on every single byline

639
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 2: with regard to the connections between Epstein and various Israeli figures, spies,

640
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 2: former prime minister, dealings with foreign governments on behalf of Israel,

641
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 2: Like they're literally the only ones who are doing this reporting.

642
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,399
Speaker 2: And then not only are the only the only ones

643
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,800
Speaker 2: to do the reporting, then the mainstream press just pretends

644
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Speaker 2: that this reporting doesn't even exist. I mean, I actually

645
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 2: believe that Dana Bash doesn't even know that it exists,

646
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 2: and so she's conducting this interview like these questions to

647
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Speaker 2: Marjorie Taylor Green are some kind of a gotcha, like

648
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Speaker 2: are you insinuating that there's some Israel connection here? And

649
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Speaker 2: she's like, yes, i am, because that's been reported out.

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Speaker 2: So if you aren't aware of that piece, then you know,

651
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Speaker 2: Epstein is just effectively about morality, which is important. Like

652
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Speaker 2: I think the you know, people want to know about

653
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 2: the sleazy behavior of politicians and global elites and the

654
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 2: way they're all interconnected and cover from themselves, and that

655
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 2: has a lot to do with power, and so I

656
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 2: don't think that that you can just dismiss that on

657
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Speaker 2: its own.

658
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Speaker 4: But if you're not tying that in with.

659
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Speaker 2: Israel specifically, but more broadly, any other federal foreign government,

660
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 2: says Marjorie Taylor, Green represents there as well. If you're

661
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,760
Speaker 2: not tying those pieces together, then you're not really connecting

662
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 2: it to the present day and the risk and the

663
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 2: danger from this president right now, and why this should

664
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Speaker 2: be a central story and why it is really important

665
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 2: and has immediate bearing on the conduct of our own

666
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Speaker 2: foreign policy. So it's just wild to see her living

667
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 2: in this completely different universe where any sort of Israel

668
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 2: Epstein connection is purely like fever swamp conspiracy, anti Semitic garbage.

669
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Speaker 2: That's how she sees it, and that's I think how

670
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 2: most of the mainstream press sees it as well. Either

671
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,399
Speaker 2: that or they're just like you know, themselves, covering up

672
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 2: for Israel, which is certainly possible in many cases, but

673
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 2: a lot of it is just they sort of see

674
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Speaker 2: that as ichy conspiracy that they're not going to dirty

675
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 2: their hands with, and so she sees it as some

676
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 2: like gotcha question to Marjorie Taylor Green than a legitimate

677
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 2: line of inquiry and probably maybe the most legitimate line

678
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 2: of inquiry and concern with regard to releasing the Epstein

679
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:09,320
Speaker 2: files today.

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Speaker 1: I think this is a problem.

681
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Speaker 3: I also I want to normalize because a lot of

682
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 3: Democrats are very new to Epstein, right. They always they

683
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 3: never paid attention. Now that Trump is involved with their

684
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 3: frothing and they're they're like, this is great. And I've

685
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 3: noticed this with like Ezra.

686
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 1: Kleine and all of them. They see the political utility.

687
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 3: But to them it's still icky because Republicans have been

688
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 3: talking about it, I let's say, for five years, and

689
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 3: they kind of think, like you said, it's a conspiracy

690
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 3: dream guys, the Israel thing. It's real, Okay, let's talk

691
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 3: about it. Let's talk about it. It's not just you know.

692
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:39,800
Speaker 3: They're like, they don't. They're so new to the story

693
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 3: that they think anybody who's talked about that in the

694
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 3: past conspiracy brain, they don't know what they're like, No, no, no, no,

695
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 3: we have the evidence. Now look at what Ryan and

696
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 3: Martaza have reported. If I had that six months ago

697
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 3: on Targer, Carlson and all that, I would have blown

698
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 3: it out. And you know I was trying to be

699
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 3: careful at the time about well, you know, in terms

700
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 3: of theories and speculation, it's over security agreements with the

701
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:04,240
Speaker 3: presidents among it's done military technology, add Barack. You combine

702
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 3: that with everything that we already had in terms of

703
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 3: a lot of the evidence. There's just not even a

704
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 3: discussion at this point in terms of acting on behalf

705
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 3: of Israel. We need to get this into the bloodstream

706
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 3: of the Midas, touch folks and others, because right now

707
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 3: everything is just focused on Trump. The point, as you

708
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,439
Speaker 3: just said, is the connective tissue from yes, just Trump

709
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 3: also being mentioned, but the Israel part and its potential

710
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 3: relation to foreign policy, and also of the double standard

711
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 3: that we use in terms of counterintelligence and more on

712
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 3: the issue and potentially why Epstein was able to get

713
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 3: away in the sweetheart deal with this non prosecution agreement.

714
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Speaker 3: That's how you connect the two sides of the coin

715
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 3: and Unfortunately, CNN's of the World and others still want

716
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 3: to brand that as anti Semitic.

717
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 1: No, it's just a fact. It's literally just a simple fact.

718
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Speaker 3: I also did if I would be remiss if I

719
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 3: didn't show the more recent developments in conservative media. Let's

720
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,320
Speaker 3: put this up here on the screen. The American Conservative

721
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 3: published this. I love it from Daniel Bogslaw, who's great.

722
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Speaker 3: New Farah filings, which are the Foreign Agent Registration Act filings,

723
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Speaker 3: show plans to promote pro Israel messaging at the conservative

724
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Speaker 3: Salem Media network. So you know, people at Salem Media

725
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Speaker 3: include they say, eighty two radio stations across the US,

726
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Speaker 3: major websites, manages, high profile websites, town Hall, Red State,

727
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 3: influential platforms, conserving discourse. Some of the programs that are

728
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 3: featured include The Charlie Kirk Show, The USA Show, The

729
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,839
Speaker 3: Josh Hammer Show, The Right View with Lara Trump. Well, now,

730
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Speaker 3: according to the company data, the generate, you know, the

731
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Speaker 3: network generates some eighty million monthly page views, thirty seven monthly,

732
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,760
Speaker 3: so you know, it's obviously it's influential. And so these

733
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Speaker 3: new FARA documents show that Salem Media may have already

734
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Speaker 3: begun integrating paid for Israeli government narratives across its extensive

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Speaker 3: network of platforms. This is according to this report from

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Speaker 3: the American Conservatives. Salem did not respond, by the way,

737
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Speaker 3: to the American Conservatives requests for comment. The Israeli government

738
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Speaker 3: retains Salem as chief strategy officer Brad Parscale, who's the

739
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 3: former campaign manager for Donald Trump, to advocate for Israeli

740
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 3: interest through a six million dollar financial arrangement. So this

741
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 3: is all directly acknowledged in FARA. But it also, by

742
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,879
Speaker 3: the way, Denesh Jsuza very recently has been attacking Tucker

743
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 3: Carls and perhaps it's legitimate, but it does, you know,

744
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 3: genuinely raise a question when you see vast amounts of

745
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 3: money like this being thrown around to Brad Parscale who's

746
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 3: working for Salem, and its potential influence on the conservative

747
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 3: landscape and discourse. So you know, that's part of the

748
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 3: reason why all of this is so important.

749
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Speaker 2: Isn't Parscale also doing some like trying to train like

750
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Speaker 2: AI chatbots to be more pro Israel?

751
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 4: Did see the story behind I see.

752
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Speaker 1: The story behind that.

753
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Speaker 3: I would I definitely would like to I would like

754
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Speaker 3: to explore it more. I hadn't seen it like fully confirm,

755
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 3: but this one I was like, oh, they have him

756
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 3: dead to rights, So yeah, if you see people from there.

757
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 3: I mean, look, it's a legitimate question. That's part of

758
00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 3: the reason our business is set up the way that

759
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 3: it is primary funded. Nobody can be coming around he

760
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 3: you're saying, oh, you're getting paid by X amount interest

761
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 3: or whatever, and if your views just happen to align

762
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 3: with the advertisers, maybe that's just the way it is. Like,

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Speaker 3: I don't think Josh Hammer is pro Israel because he's

764
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Speaker 3: being paid by pro Israel. You know, you can say

765
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 3: a lot about the guy, but I don't think that's why.

766
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 3: I think he genuinely believes it. With Danesh Thou, I

767
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 3: really don't know personally, and with a lot of the

768
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 3: others there. But at the very least, it just goes

769
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 3: to show you buying influence because they recognize or trying

770
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Speaker 3: to buy influence with brad par Scale and potentially with

771
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Speaker 3: ads and all this other stuff, specifically because they think

772
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 3: that they're losing the information war, and it's because they

773
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 3: have a reality problem.

774
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Speaker 2: Let's talk more about that reality problem, because we don't

775
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,320
Speaker 2: want to lose sight of what is happening in Gaza

776
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 2: right now. Put D three up on the screen, and

777
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 2: truly horrific mass rainfall and flooding when you have people

778
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Speaker 2: who are largely still living in tents with very limited supplies,

779
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Speaker 2: very limited to know, sanitation, soaking, wet, freezing, any ownings

780
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 2: and belongings that they still have completely destroyed, you know,

781
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 2: and this is after years of horror, so you can

782
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 2: only imagine how broken down they are and how dispiriting

783
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Speaker 2: it is now to also have these horrific floods that

784
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Speaker 2: are just I mean, it's complete, in total, complete and

785
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 2: total nightmare as winter looms. And at the same time,

786
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Speaker 2: let's put this up on the screen. This is pretty incredible.

787
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Speaker 2: Israel now is seeking a new twenty year security agreement

788
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Speaker 2: with the US, doubling the usual urn term and adding

789
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Speaker 2: what they describe as America First modifications to win the

790
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 2: Trump administration support.

791
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 4: Is really a US officials.

792
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 2: Told me now in the story, if you read it,

793
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Speaker 2: the two things that they mention as America First provisions

794
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 2: are number one, like the doubling of the length of

795
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 2: the agreement and the fact that they want more money

796
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Speaker 2: then they're already getting which is insane, or two some

797
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 2: sort of a like you know, military tech collaboration which

798
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 2: would further sort of entrench their interests and intertwine US

799
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 2: with them, et cetera. But to me, Sager, I mean,

800
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Speaker 2: this is another very interesting fight. On the right, the

801
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 2: fact that they are pushing for this twenty year understanding

802
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 2: really indicates that they see the writing on the wall.

803
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 2: They've already lost the Democratic base. It's gone, it's over.

804
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Speaker 2: I think it will be a central litmus test in

805
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty eight primary, there's no doubt in my

806
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,720
Speaker 2: mind about that. But on the right, they also see

807
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 2: these divisions and the writing on the wall with the

808
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 2: you know, the direction of the Republicans as well. So

809
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 2: they're trying to lock in their position as much as

810
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Speaker 2: they can because they don't have confidence that they'll be

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Speaker 2: able to achieve anything approaching the same level of support

812
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Speaker 2: in the future.

813
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it is.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the twenty year memorandum is fascinating for a

815
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Speaker 3: variety of reasons.

816
00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 1: Now.

817
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 3: First and foremost, the reason that they want to lock

818
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 3: it in for twenty years is because they can see

819
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Speaker 3: that if they don't right now, that a future administration

820
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 3: may not do so. But second, let's actually read a

821
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Speaker 3: lot of the agreement, because what they want is they

822
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:18,359
Speaker 3: want continued aid to Israel. But the way that they're

823
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Speaker 3: trying to sell it is the way that the Ukrainians did.

824
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Speaker 3: So you'll remember for the pro Ukraine Caucus, what they

825
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 3: kept saying was, guys, we're not giving money to Ukraine.

826
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Speaker 3: We're giving money to Ukraine so they can buy more

827
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Speaker 3: weapons from us. So it's actually good for your economy.

828
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Speaker 3: Now obvious basically money wandering, isn't it. It's like funneling

829
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Speaker 3: money to a foreign government so that they can buy

830
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 3: money from your weapons industry. It's like, well, we could

831
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Speaker 3: just buy our own weapons if we wanted to, and

832
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 3: then we could decide when and where it goes and

833
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 3: for what purpose. It seems reasonable if you ask me.

834
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Speaker 3: But some of the changes that they say not only

835
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Speaker 3: would change it from twenty years and make it to

836
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 3: the one hundredth anniversary of their independence, but what they

837
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 3: want to do is use some of the money for

838
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:04,959
Speaker 3: joint US Israeli research and development rather than direct military aid,

839
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Speaker 3: and that would be defense tech defense AI Golden Dome

840
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 3: missile is Israeli said. The fundamental thing though, that we

841
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 3: come back to, is they still need the aid? Is

842
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 3: for years there's been this debate does Israel even need aid?

843
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:19,240
Speaker 3: You know at this point, I mean, it's a country

844
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 3: with free health care. They have a fine economy, according

845
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,479
Speaker 3: to them, mister high tech, silicon valley nation.

846
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Speaker 1: All of that.

847
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 3: It's like, okay, fine, So if you can afford all

848
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 3: of that, and you can afford to literally pay a

849
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 3: huge portion of your population to not work and to

850
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 3: worship and to read the Torah, then why am I

851
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:37,879
Speaker 3: giving you billions and billions.

852
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 1: Of dollars in order to subsidize that?

853
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 3: It seems kind of sick, right, Well, this twenty year

854
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 3: agreement is still a tacit admission. They need the weapons,

855
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 3: and they fundamentally don't have the capacity to defend themselves

856
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:51,839
Speaker 3: if they wanted to, because a huge portion of their

857
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 3: talking point is we stand you know, we will always

858
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,280
Speaker 3: stand alone if and when we need to. No, it's obvious,

859
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 3: especially during the Iran crisis, we saw that. Look, you know,

860
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 3: in terms of their missile defense, the Iranians were able

861
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Speaker 3: to penetrate it. They bombed a lot of high value

862
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 3: targets in the middle of Tel Aviv and across Israel

863
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 3: despite all of their great technology, which we're basically the

864
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 3: ones running selling, and in the April attack back in

865
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty four, I believe it was the United States

866
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 3: ended up shooting down the vast majority of the missiles

867
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 3: that were incoming to Israel. They can't actually defend themselves

868
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 3: to the degree that they would need to if they

869
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 3: ever got into a full blown war. So the fact

870
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 3: is they need the US security umbrella, and all this

871
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 3: talk of being this strong independent nation is bunk and

872
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 3: it's ridiculous. Part of the reason I've also always said

873
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 3: too that and this is look, I'm a realist. Part

874
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,320
Speaker 3: of the reason too is also the benefit is because

875
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:47,240
Speaker 3: it creates more moral outcomes. Is would Israel have behaved

876
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 3: in the way that it has over the last two

877
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 3: years if it fully had to stand on its own

878
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 3: two feet. No, they would do what normal nations have

879
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 3: to do. Is they would have to assess, you know,

880
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,800
Speaker 3: the variety of threat actors or whatever in the region.

881
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 3: They'd have to calibrate their response to October seven to

882
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,280
Speaker 3: make sure that they could actually you know, be sustainable

883
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 3: to negotiate peace. The only reason they can act as

884
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:09,320
Speaker 3: belligerent as they do is because they have the backing

885
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 3: of the full backing of the United States. That's what

886
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 3: enables such all of not only just the atrocity, but

887
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 3: they're basically like their gangsterism in the region that ultimately

888
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 3: is what creates destabilization. And so their admission that they

889
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 3: can only survive really with a twenty year agreement from

890
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 3: the US undermines their entire how sovereign they are. No,

891
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,959
Speaker 3: they're a colony basically of the United States, like many

892
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 3: other of our so called allies across the region too.

893
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 2: By the way, yeah, no, if they didn't have our backing,

894
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 2: they couldn't act with this level of impunity. They have

895
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 2: to maybe actually try to figure out how to get

896
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 2: along with their neighbors rather than just constantly relentlessly bombing

897
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:49,240
Speaker 2: them and murdering people.

898
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:50,799
Speaker 4: Let's put D seven up on.

899
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 2: The screens and indication of how their propaganda efforts are going.

900
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,800
Speaker 2: Here in the US, you've got Shi Devidi, who was

901
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 2: the infamous Columbia professor. I'm not going to get it

902
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 2: to all the law right now, but guys, if you

903
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 2: aren't familiar with this character, you can go and look

904
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 2: them up. In the way that he's conducted himself. In

905
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 2: any case, Miss Rachel said, wanting kids to live is

906
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 2: not anti Semitic. I'd say that's that's fair, and he

907
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 2: says in reply, yes, but advocating only for non Jewish

908
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 2: kids to live is. This is such a lie and

909
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 2: a I mean, it's just so incredibly dishonest to portray

910
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:32,479
Speaker 2: Miss Rachel as only caring about non Jewish kids, only

911
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 2: caring about Palestinian kids. I mean, this is just not true.

912
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 2: You can go look at the things that she said

913
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 2: after October seventh, you can go look at what she

914
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 2: says all the time. She loves kids, period. She upholds

915
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:49,840
Speaker 2: the humanity of kids, period, no matter their racial or

916
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 2: ethnic background, unlike this dude, by the way. And so

917
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 2: it's just unbelievable to me, the way that Miss Rachel

918
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 2: has become this like central figure and just exposes the

919
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 2: horror and the immoral nature of this Jewish supremacist ideology

920
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 2: that undergirds Zionism.

921
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, for Miss Rachel, she's like I am

922
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 3: so from the beginning, here's what did Miss Rachel do.

923
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 3: She was like, what happened on October seventh was so horrible,

924
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 3: and what's happening in Gaza is so horrible, and by

925
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 3: saying that latter part, they're like, you're an anti semi.

926
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,799
Speaker 3: From that point forward, all literally all she has done,

927
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 3: and I've watched all of her videos on Gaza is

928
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 3: she's like, look, I don't think that children should starve.

929
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,359
Speaker 3: I don't think they should be intentionally targeted. And she's

930
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 3: been using a lot of her platform in order to

931
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:39,240
Speaker 3: try and raise money for children who have been wounded

932
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 3: let's say, in Gaza, including videos doing them. Let's say,

933
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 3: you know, with the children who have lost limbs, what

934
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 3: exactly is anti Semitic?

935
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 1: Are wrong about that? In fact, from the very beginning.

936
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 3: She's made it an explicit point to make sure that

937
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 3: she does talk also about victims on October seventh, and

938
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 3: to specifically highlight the cause of children themselves. There is

939
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 3: nothing anti so Medic about that whatsoever. So the fact

940
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:05,399
Speaker 3: that she gets attacked for talking about Palestinian children, if

941
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 3: that alone is anti Semitism, well then yeah, I mean

942
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 3: this to our whole Fuintes discussion.

943
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 1: That's how you get here.

944
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:15,439
Speaker 3: If you're going to say that everything, any criticism, even

945
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:20,280
Speaker 3: elevation in this case of Palestinian children is itself anti

946
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 3: Semitic and talking about their fate is explicitly undermining and

947
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 3: not advocating for.

948
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:26,839
Speaker 1: Jewish children to live.

949
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 3: A lot of people are just going to say, screw you,

950
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 3: I can't even listen to you anymore. And you know,

951
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 3: by the way, a lot of the criticism what they

952
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 3: forgot about Miss Rachel is for her, this is an

953
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 3: issue that she deeply cares about. I've listened to interviews

954
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 3: with Miss Rachel before. She sees her main very much

955
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 3: in the way of mister Rogers. It doesn't take a

956
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 3: genius to see that this lady's made plenty of money. Okay,

957
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 3: so it's not like she can be attacked or bankrupted

958
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 3: or any of that.

959
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 1: She's probably what the most watched show in the.

960
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 3: History of Netflix, something like that, billions of views on YouTube.

961
00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 3: She doesn't need you know, your endorsements or any of

962
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 3: that in order to live now at this point. So

963
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 3: for her, it's a cause that she just deeply cares about.

964
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 3: And all she's done is triple down on her platform

965
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 3: to try and raise awareness about the cause. And look,

966
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 3: she still has not only a parental like grassroots following there.

967
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 3: You know, podcasts and all of them are are like

968
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 3: jumping over themselves to trying to book miss Rachel. And

969
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 3: it's not about the Palestinian issue even then, it's about respect,

970
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 3: I think for her advocacy for children, and even mainstream

971
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 3: figures look far past that and they think that these

972
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 3: attacks are ridiculous.

973
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 1: So I agree.

974
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 3: I think it's one of the most exposing thing that's

975
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 3: happened in the discourse. It's like, really, they're going after

976
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:39,320
Speaker 3: miss Rachel for saying children shouldn't have their limbs blown

977
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:40,240
Speaker 3: off or starved?

978
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:42,800
Speaker 1: Is that the extent of where we are at Natro?

979
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:44,800
Speaker 1: And yes, apparently that's the answer.

980
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, And just before anyone chimes in like, okay, but

981
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 2: why does she only care about Gaza and Palestinians. Why

982
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 2: doesn't she say something about Sudan. Not only has she

983
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 2: said something about Studio, she literally also raised money for

984
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:59,800
Speaker 2: children in Sudan. So you know, for all those people

985
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:02,399
Speaker 2: on there who only give about Sudan. By the way,

986
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 2: when it's to say like why don't you care about Sudan,

987
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 2: guess what, she also raised money for them and cares

988
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 2: about those children as well. All right, Should we get

989
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,359
Speaker 2: a little bit into the Democrats here before we wrap

990
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 2: the show, I've got some interesting Gavin Newsom comments, let's

991
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 2: put this up on the screen. Speaking of maybe a

992
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:26,760
Speaker 2: time of choosing within parties, Newsom said this about Zoronmumdannie.

993
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 2: He said, I think Mom Donnie is very good for

994
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:31,839
Speaker 2: the Democratic Party. I want a broad tent. I want

995
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 2: a big tent. I want the party of mansion to

996
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 2: Mom Donnie. I want to be more inclusive. We have

997
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 2: to grow the pie. It's not about scarcity. It's an

998
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 2: abundance mindset. And I mean, I think here's my view

999
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 2: of Gavin. I think Gavin is having a very a

1000
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 2: big moment with the Democratic base right now. I think

1001
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 2: right now you'd have to say it's basically like the

1002
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 2: twenty twenty eight front runner. And the reason he's gotten

1003
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 2: such purchase with the Democratic base is because he is

1004
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:03,880
Speaker 2: positioned himself as this like anti Trump fighter. I did

1005
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 2: the Prop fifty thing. He's on Twitter doing this whole

1006
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:10,720
Speaker 2: like Trump posting type of thing. He hasn't been afraid

1007
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 2: to pick a fight with the sitting president of the

1008
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:13,800
Speaker 2: United States.

1009
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:16,359
Speaker 4: But statements like this should give you.

1010
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 2: Pause about whether or not this guy is really going

1011
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 2: to be the guy, because you are going to have

1012
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 2: within the Democratic base, there has been a level of

1013
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 2: radicalization where they find like the Mansions of the world

1014
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 2: that just constantly capitulate and by the way, Mansion is

1015
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 2: not like a populace. Mansion is a corporate guy. They

1016
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 2: find that disgusting. And so I don't think that the

1017
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 2: Gavin Newsoms of the world, who are trying to be

1018
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 2: all things to all people and not pick a side

1019
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 2: in whether or not you're going to continue to be

1020
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 2: a donor party or whether you're going to confront capital.

1021
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 2: That position of trying to be all things to all

1022
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 2: people is not going to be sustainable going forward. And

1023
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 2: we all know which side Gavin Newsom is actually on

1024
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:02,439
Speaker 2: and which side he is ultimately going to pick.

1025
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 3: Is actually kind of fascinating to see the way that

1026
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 3: he is grappling, like the Mamdani to Mansion thing. Think

1027
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:16,320
Speaker 3: I think Gavin, his calibration right now, is really losing

1028
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:20,800
Speaker 3: people because he did best when he was standing against Trump,

1029
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 3: right and he actually, let's give him, you know, political credit.

1030
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 3: He came out against the shutdown deal, he said it

1031
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 3: was caving, he said it was bad. But he is

1032
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:32,759
Speaker 3: trying to retain his ability to tap a lot of

1033
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:35,800
Speaker 3: the donor base and to still live in a world

1034
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 3: where you get to raise money from all of the

1035
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 3: rich people, many of whom are also pro Israel, and

1036
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 3: then also live in the world of political success for

1037
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 3: a zoron Mamdania for more populis style candidates. I don't

1038
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 3: think that that circle can be squared. We talked about

1039
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 3: the whole fuintest thing earlier. It just I just don't

1040
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 3: think you can you can live with that anymore unless

1041
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:57,319
Speaker 3: the billionaires are literally just going to stop advocating for

1042
00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 3: the stuff that they do, which you and I know

1043
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:02,879
Speaker 3: they'll never do, uh, and they'll just accept They'll be like, oh,

1044
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 3: we hate Trump enough that we're willing to just back

1045
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 3: you up and you can say whatever you want.

1046
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 1: That is actually theoretically possible.

1047
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 3: I wouldn't entirely put that off the table, but I

1048
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:14,879
Speaker 3: don't think that that's going to happen. So then, dude,

1049
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 3: you're gonna have to make a choice at a certain point.

1050
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 3: And that apac answer that was the first time I

1051
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 3: actually doubted him. I was like, oh my god, wow, Yeah,

1052
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 3: like wow, because what I respect is his talent.

1053
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 1: He's a he is you know.

1054
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:30,280
Speaker 3: Calibration is bad in my opinion, because you don't believe anything.

1055
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:33,280
Speaker 3: But if I respect talent and the ability to follow

1056
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 3: that talent. But in that moment, I was like, Man,

1057
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 3: your inability to be authentic or even to give a

1058
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 3: normal answer on that was just a huge sell. And

1059
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 3: this is another example of you know, it's constantly calibration.

1060
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:52,360
Speaker 3: Keep the donors happy, try to keep the voters happy.

1061
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 3: Due to a certain point, you're just gonna have to choose.

1062
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 3: And by the way, I mean maybe I'm curious for

1063
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 3: what you think. I feel like the billionaires, they'll come

1064
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:01,839
Speaker 3: home if Goavin's Alt only the nominee and he just says, okay,

1065
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 3: screw you right now for the primary, they would come

1066
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 3: home because a lot of them will will you know,

1067
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:09,479
Speaker 3: be against Trump and they'll ultimately have fate that he'll

1068
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:11,800
Speaker 3: be better on policy then let's say a more populous

1069
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 3: left style.

1070
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 1: Damn. So it's also just bad politics in my opinion.

1071
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I mean that that is a good point.

1072
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 2: If he, you know, postured like he was gonna raise

1073
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:23,720
Speaker 2: their taxes or do whatever other thing that they're totally

1074
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 2: terrified and disgusted by. But the thing for him is

1075
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 2: his whole rise to power. The whole reason that he's

1076
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:33,840
Speaker 2: governor of California. I mean, listen, he has political talent.

1077
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 1: You know.

1078
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:36,839
Speaker 2: Personally he gives me theck and he's like used car

1079
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Speaker 2: salesman vibes all over him, like greasy Gavin. That's that's

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Speaker 2: my sense of him. But you know, he is a

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Speaker 2: talented figure in a lot of ways. Especially he can

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Speaker 2: mix it up with Fever, who did great in that

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Speaker 2: round de Santis debate.

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Speaker 1: Whatever.

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Speaker 2: But but yeah, I mean, if he postured like he

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Speaker 2: was going to be different in order to win the

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Speaker 2: Democratic primary, I think you're right that they would still

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00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 2: rather have him than a more you know, someone who

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00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 2: had a more consistent track record of confronting capital.

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Speaker 4: There's no doubt about it.

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Speaker 2: But his whole rise to power has been on the

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Speaker 2: corner of the market, on the Silicon Valley donors. I'm

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00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 2: in a corner of the market, on the you know,

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Speaker 2: the Hollywood donors. I'm in the corner of the market.

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00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 2: I'm sure he has plenty of you know, New York

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Speaker 2: City Wall Street type donors as well. That's really truly

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Speaker 2: his base, and so I don't think that he is

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Speaker 2: really fundamentally capable of going against them and you saw that.

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Speaker 4: That's why that APAC.

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Speaker 2: Moment was very important because it wasn't something you can spin.

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Speaker 4: There's just there's either a yes. It's a yes or

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Speaker 4: a no.

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Speaker 2: Right and increasingly a Democratic base is you know, they

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Speaker 2: see through these attempts to well, let me change the subject,

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00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:49,719
Speaker 2: will let me dodge, will let me deflect. There are

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Speaker 2: some yes or no questions where you have to choose

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Speaker 2: a side, and when it comes down to it, Gavin

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00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:56,319
Speaker 2: Newsom is going to choose the side of capital because

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Speaker 2: that is what he has always been throughout his career,

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Speaker 2: even as I think they really appreciates the fight that

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00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 2: he's sort of demonstrating against Trump right now. So another

1112
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:07,920
Speaker 2: pretty wild moment in New Hampshire. So Democratic Senator Jean

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00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 2: Shaheen was heckled actually by the guy who is in

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Speaker 2: a primary against her daughter for an open house seat.

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Speaker 2: And Jean shahen of course was the lead Democrat in

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Speaker 2: terms of negotiating the shutdown cave. This was at like

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Speaker 2: a Democratic Party function, so it's a lot of like

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00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 2: you know, of her fans and just sort of like

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Speaker 2: Democratic party type, the type of people that actually go

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Speaker 2: to the committee meetings and serve on the boards and

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Speaker 2: those sorts of folks who are in the room.

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Speaker 4: But let's take a listen to that.

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Speaker 8: So let me be clu nobody wants to listen the

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Speaker 8: Affordable Care Act tax credits more than the or more

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Speaker 8: than senator has. What did you vote for? You look

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Speaker 8: at our record, and you tell me what you've done

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Speaker 8: to protect the health.

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Speaker 4: Care of America, And it's not.

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Speaker 7: Done.

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Speaker 2: So Soccer, she's like very nasty and aggressive against this guy,

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Speaker 2: and it's going to be interesting to see. So, as

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Speaker 2: I mentioned, her daughter is running for Congress, and her

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00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 2: daughter actually came out against the shutdown deal. So she's

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Speaker 2: on the opposite side of her mom. But at this

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Speaker 2: point in the state with the Democratic base, even though

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Speaker 2: in that room Jean Hihen gets some support, the overall

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00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 2: sense is like discussed over the shutdown cave And so

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Speaker 2: I wonder if the daughter, like you know, catches some

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00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:41,720
Speaker 2: damage here just from being in the same family. And

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Speaker 2: then let's put this up on the screen of this

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Speaker 2: the guy who was doing the heckling, who is in

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Speaker 2: this primary with Jean Sheheen's daughter, and he talks about

1143
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 2: his own medical issues and how fundamental that has been

1144
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 2: to his own politics. In explaining why he decided to

1145
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 2: stand up and have this moment. So he says, Senator Shaheen,

1146
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 2: I suffered a severe spinal injury at age fifteen. My

1147
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:06,600
Speaker 2: spinal cord had to be rebundled. I had eight rods

1148
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 2: and four screws put in my back. Four years later,

1149
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 2: one of the rods in my back snapped and I

1150
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:14,920
Speaker 2: had to have another major surgery. I developed a recnoiditis.

1151
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 2: I'm going to go with a chronic pain condition that

1152
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Speaker 2: I live with for the rest of my life due

1153
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:22,680
Speaker 2: to surgery complications. The first photo shows my spine, the

1154
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Speaker 2: second represents yours, and it's a box of wet noodles.

1155
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Speaker 2: I will never back down when it comes to healthcare.

1156
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 2: So you know, the shutdown has injected another sort of

1157
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 2: litmus test issue within the Democratic primary and within Democratic primaries.

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Speaker 2: And what I've seen, Sager two, is it's not enough

1159
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:45,160
Speaker 2: to have opposed the shutdown. Cave basically everyone who was

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Speaker 2: running for office as they oppose it, including Gen Shhen's

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00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 2: own daughter. But the next level is saying that Chuck

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00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:52,680
Speaker 2: Schumer needs to go. And that's the one that a

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00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 2: lot of candidates, including Peggy Flanagan in the Minnesota primary

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00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 2: that we interviewed, including I interviewed Antonio Delgado, who's Lieutenant

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Speaker 2: governor of New York, challenge jin Kathy Hochel aoc can't

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01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 2: come out and outright say it. That seems to be

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Speaker 2: the one that is more difficult for some of these

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Speaker 2: candidates to fully articulate and get on board with totally.

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Speaker 3: And you know this also gets the Chuck Schumer element

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Speaker 3: that you set up. Let's go to that next one

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01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 3: and put it on the screen.

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Speaker 1: E four just.

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Speaker 3: About how the shutdown has left people questioning his future

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01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:24,160
Speaker 3: more than ever. Like you have a record number of

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Speaker 3: Democrats who are speaking out specifically against Schumer's leadership in

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Speaker 3: the House. You had Rokhanna saying that he needs to resign.

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Speaker 3: You had multiple others in the Senate grumbling about his

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Speaker 3: handling of it. You have a historically unpopular Democratic leader

1179
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Speaker 3: here for his handling of the shutdown. He has to

1180
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Speaker 3: run again if he wants to in twenty twenty eight. Yeah,

1181
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 3: he has to run again for re election. If he

1182
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 3: wants to, the Democrats then would have to back him.

1183
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 3: You have candidates explicitly like Plattner another saying I won't

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01:00:56,600 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 3: vote for the guy. So this demonstrates where's not much

1185
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:03,480
Speaker 3: of the grassroots energy is on the Democratic Party. And

1186
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:05,960
Speaker 3: this tying it back to Gavin, the fact that Gavin

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01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:09,080
Speaker 3: hasn't called for Schumer's head and still kind of maintains

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01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 3: friendly relationship with Democratic leaders, that's just such a liability

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Speaker 3: in this anti institutional moment, Like you have to just

1190
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Speaker 3: be willing to come out and be like, no, he's done.

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01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:20,920
Speaker 3: He betrayed us. He's got to go, Like there's just

1192
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Speaker 3: only political upside to that. But because of political connections,

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Speaker 3: he can't do it with Gavin.

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Speaker 2: I you know, I don't expect anything different with some

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01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:31,920
Speaker 2: of these candidates who are positioning themselves as the progressive

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01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:32,959
Speaker 2: insurgent in the race.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, I.

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Speaker 2: Don't get it. What is the hang up here? Like

1199
01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:39,360
Speaker 2: he doesn't like you, he's supporting your opponent. Why can't

1200
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:41,560
Speaker 2: you just say, yes, we need new leadership. This guy

1201
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:44,320
Speaker 2: has got to go. But that article is interesting because

1202
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:47,280
Speaker 2: it says effectively like everyone knows this is Schumer's last

1203
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 2: term except for him, Like he may be the last

1204
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:53,400
Speaker 2: guy to not realize that his political career is over.

1205
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:57,640
Speaker 2: Because I mean, AOC is the most obvious potential primary challenger.

1206
01:01:57,640 --> 01:01:59,320
Speaker 2: I think she'd wipe the floor with him, but they

1207
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 2: mentioned any number of other pat Ryan is one other

1208
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 2: potential possibility, Letitia James. There are a lot of other

1209
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:09,439
Speaker 2: New York politicians who I think would handily defeat him

1210
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Speaker 2: at this point in a primary. So, you know, I

1211
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:16,479
Speaker 2: think he'll probably remain on as leader because I don't

1212
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:20,000
Speaker 2: see any of the Senate Democratic Caucus that are standing

1213
01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:21,920
Speaker 2: up to say, Okay, we've got to do something different.

1214
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:24,600
Speaker 2: It's perplexing to me because you'd be such a hero,

1215
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:26,880
Speaker 2: like if you're a Chris van Holland or whoever who's

1216
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:29,800
Speaker 2: sniffing around a presidential run, you'd be such a hero

1217
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:32,000
Speaker 2: to take that position. But I don't see any of

1218
01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:33,840
Speaker 2: them doing it. So I think he'll remain as leader.

1219
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Speaker 2: But you know, come twenty twenty eight, I think he's

1220
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 2: going to be out. But you know, yeah, on the

1221
01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:42,840
Speaker 2: Gavin point, you're absolutely correct. It's one more issue where

1222
01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:45,720
Speaker 2: if he gets asked the direct question, people are not

1223
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:47,600
Speaker 2: going to like. They're not going to like his answer.

1224
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:50,560
Speaker 2: They don't want this Weasley crap. They want these old

1225
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:54,560
Speaker 2: failed leaders gone. They want a completely new direction, and

1226
01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:57,360
Speaker 2: it's really going to advantage those who are outsiders to

1227
01:02:57,400 --> 01:02:59,720
Speaker 2: the system, like you know this guy who challenge senator

1228
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 2: who has you know, he doesn't give a shit which

1229
01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 2: Chuck Schumer thinks of him, or the grand Platners of

1230
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:06,080
Speaker 2: the world or whatever. They're like, Yeah, fuck that guy.

1231
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:07,680
Speaker 2: It's easy for me to be able to say it.

1232
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 2: So it's another thing that's really going to advantage outsiders

1233
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Speaker 2: in these upcoming Democratic primaries.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent. And just look to back up

1235
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:16,840
Speaker 3: on the polling. We can end it here, e five

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01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:18,120
Speaker 3: up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: Just look at this.

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Speaker 3: Most Democrats think congressional Republicans compromised too much fifty five percent.

1239
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:26,280
Speaker 3: Only thirty two percent say write them out. Only thirteen

1240
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:30,400
Speaker 3: percent say not enough. So I mean, look, it's overwhelming

1241
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:32,680
Speaker 3: in terms of the majority. And then put the next

1242
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:36,760
Speaker 3: one up there on the screen. Schumer apparently called the

1243
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:40,840
Speaker 3: Democratic hopefuls Andy Basheer, Josh Shapiro, and JB. Prisker and

1244
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:43,160
Speaker 3: told them not to criticize the deal that opened reopened

1245
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:45,160
Speaker 3: the government. First of all, that's to sell on all

1246
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:47,320
Speaker 3: three of them. If all three of them actually didn't

1247
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:48,680
Speaker 3: do that, I had to have to go back and

1248
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 3: check their potential statements. But yeah, for all this talk

1249
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Speaker 3: about how secretly he was fighting against the deal, It's like, well,

1250
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Speaker 3: then why are you doing that, man, why are you

1251
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Speaker 3: calling all these hopefuls and telling them not to vote

1252
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:00,800
Speaker 3: and telling them not to criticize the deal?

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Speaker 2: Exactly exactly, And once again, like in the Epstein block,

1254
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 2: got to give for Ocanna his due, Yeah, you do,

1255
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:09,440
Speaker 2: because he was the first sound of the gates to

1256
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:11,800
Speaker 2: say that's it, Schumer's gotta go. And then you had

1257
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:15,040
Speaker 2: a number of other Democratic raps who followed behind him.

1258
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:18,320
Speaker 2: But he seems to have, you know, much more of

1259
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:21,120
Speaker 2: his finger on the pulse of where the Democratic base

1260
01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:24,960
Speaker 2: is than many other would be twenty twenty eight aspirins.

1261
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Speaker 2: And I include aoc in that as well, because she

1262
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:29,440
Speaker 2: was very when she got asked about Schumer, she did

1263
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:31,040
Speaker 2: this whole well, they all kind of suck, so what

1264
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:34,320
Speaker 2: like sounding like Bernie's line on this thing as well.

1265
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:37,560
Speaker 2: And you know, he's he's been the one who figured

1266
01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:41,000
Speaker 2: out Epstein was the place to push Trump and MAGA

1267
01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:44,000
Speaker 2: and then has been much more in touch with the

1268
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:46,360
Speaker 2: Democratic base in terms of their discuss with leadership.

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Speaker 3: Yep, exactly right. Okay, guys, thank you so much for watching.

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Speaker 3: We appreciate it. We'll have a great show for everybody tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you the