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Speaker 1: are we doing? Man? I'm blue good man. It's a
Speaker 1: beautiful day out there in the Metro place. Man. The
Speaker 1: sun shining might get around, the golfing might not, but
Speaker 1: you know, it's a beautiful day and I'm on the
Speaker 1: plays now. So like I said before, Man, where else
Speaker 1: would you rather be? I thought about what time do
Speaker 1: you do you like your tea times for golf morning afternoon. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm more of a morning guy because, like you know,
Speaker 1: I dropped my kid off at school and I like
Speaker 1: to get on the course right after that. So I'm
Speaker 1: more of a you know, nine am type guy. Knock
Speaker 1: it out, knock the three and a half hours out
Speaker 1: and they still have the rest of the day. I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm not a big one afternoon golf because you
Speaker 1: feel like you did a whole day and you get
Speaker 1: the whole days gone. So I'm more of a morning guy.
Speaker 1: But speaking of that newing, you need to get out
Speaker 1: there with me. Man, I'm telling you you need to
Speaker 1: get out there with me. Have you played Craig Craig
Speaker 1: Ranch at all? No? I had not played Craig Ranch. Hit.
Speaker 1: I had not. Okay, Um, I've got a date right
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Speaker 1: if I can get you squeezed in on this. Um,
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Speaker 1: We'll try to make make it make a morning to
Speaker 1: on that out there in McKinney. M the Cowboys with
Speaker 1: a whole lot of news this week last night making
Speaker 1: news where they signed Demante CAZy, a free safety with
Speaker 1: the Atlanta Falcons, who defensive coordinator Dan Quinn would had
Speaker 1: him when he was a head coach, and um the
Speaker 1: secondary coach of the Cowboys, Joe was with him last year.
Speaker 1: So this is a guy locked in here. Church, You
Speaker 1: and I we spoke about this, and I set my
Speaker 1: desire that if you're going to hire dan Quinn, you
Speaker 1: need to allow him to bring in the players who
Speaker 1: can teach and explain his system. Do you want a
Speaker 1: free safety in this type of system? That's what he
Speaker 1: had in Atlanta, which Super Bowl had Earl Thomas up
Speaker 1: there in Seattle. So here's a guy that comes in
Speaker 1: here now, Kazy And by the way, it's pronounced Kazy
Speaker 1: like jay Z. CAZy has miss town Achilles in Week four. Okay,
Speaker 1: but he's a seven years old. Here's the guy that
Speaker 1: led the NFL one year and picks. So you have
Speaker 1: gone through a tourn Achilles. What does it take to
Speaker 1: get back and what should Cowboy fans realistically expect from
Speaker 1: Kazy next year coming off that Achilles which you tour
Speaker 1: a week four rollo, I mean Achilles Achilles injury. Admits
Speaker 1: it's not it's not what it used to be, you know,
Speaker 1: in the past, like the early nineties, early two thousands,
Speaker 1: where if you had an Achilles injury, it was over,
Speaker 1: your career was done. Medicine has brought us a long way.
Speaker 1: Technology and all that has brought us a long way.
Speaker 1: So achilles, they aren't as devastating as they once were.
Speaker 1: You still, I believe you still never get that same explosiveness,
Speaker 1: that same pop that you had previous to the Achilles,
Speaker 1: but you can't get close to it. And thankfully for
Speaker 1: Kaz when he comes out here, he has a training
Speaker 1: staff with the Dollas Cowboys who are very familiar with
Speaker 1: the Achilles injuries. I mean myself, they rehad me. I
Speaker 1: was able to come back, started every game from thirteen
Speaker 1: to sixteen. And Tyron Crawford is another case. Tore his achilles,
Speaker 1: and he's a different body type. He's a ors a
Speaker 1: defensive lineman, and they were able to rehab him and
Speaker 1: get him going and he was able to sound a
Speaker 1: big contract afterwards and have a lengthy career. So for me,
Speaker 1: they have a lot, they know a lot about the
Speaker 1: injury and they know how to rehab it. So Casey
Speaker 1: should be in great hands with this training staff. But
Speaker 1: in saying that, realistically, I feel like CAZy when he
Speaker 1: comes back that first year out of your achilles injury,
Speaker 1: it's a little tough. It's a little tough, your little stiff.
Speaker 1: But as you get back going into things, he should
Speaker 1: be able to get back and get back rolling quick
Speaker 1: because he's a younger guy, so he should be able
Speaker 1: to get back in there and get rolling quick. And
Speaker 1: this is a guy, like you said Nui, who knows
Speaker 1: the system he was in then quint system. He knows
Speaker 1: that he's that high whole safety, and he has some
Speaker 1: versatility to him because he can play the nickel as well,
Speaker 1: so he's a versatile rangey safety. And that's when he
Speaker 1: and you have been clamoring for this whole offseason, we
Speaker 1: need a vet guy in the back end, like a CAZy,
Speaker 1: who knows the system, who can get these young guys
Speaker 1: lined up. It looked like it was between him or
Speaker 1: Hook and they chose Hazy. To me, I'm not so
Speaker 1: sure about that. Maybe we'll talk about that a little
Speaker 1: bit later. But the guy they're getting, he's a ball hawk,
Speaker 1: win healthy, and if he can get back to any
Speaker 1: type of semblance of what he was when he was
Speaker 1: in Atlanta and that whole safety. He can be a
Speaker 1: benefit for this defense. Let's just hope he's able to
Speaker 1: kind of recapture that ball hockey mentality when he gets
Speaker 1: here in Damas. All right, let's stay right there. Okay,
Speaker 1: you want You spoke about Malik Hooker for a first
Speaker 1: round draft pick from Ohio State. So did you want
Speaker 1: Hooker over Kazy? Oh? Yeah, I mean nothing against Casey,
Speaker 1: but I just felt like Hooker. He's a bigger body.
Speaker 1: I felt like he can be more interchangeable because I
Speaker 1: know they'd like to run his high hold. But if
Speaker 1: you get interchangeable safeties, you can go back and forth
Speaker 1: and offenses can't just key on them. Oh this guy's down,
Speaker 1: they must be in this type of defense, or when
Speaker 1: this guy comes in, they must be in man to man.
Speaker 1: So I feel like he'd be more interchangeable. They're both
Speaker 1: good ranging safeties, but they come off of injury history.
Speaker 1: As if we know the Hooker, he's coming off with
Speaker 1: achilles as well, so they both had their injury histories.
Speaker 1: So for me, a raw I would have chosen Hooker
Speaker 1: because I feel like he's more of an interchangeable guy.
Speaker 1: But CAZy is not. You know, that's not a knock
Speaker 1: against Casey because he can go into that slot as
Speaker 1: well and play Nicols. So they're both versus guys. But
Speaker 1: I think I would have leaned towards Hooker, but not
Speaker 1: a bad sign at all by getting Casey. See, I'm
Speaker 1: the opposite on this. I wanted Kazy because I go
Speaker 1: back to this thing we've talked about bringing in someone
Speaker 1: who knows and understands your system. And I got this
Speaker 1: from former Dallas Cowboys defensive back Thurman Thomas. He was
Speaker 1: an assistant in Baltimore with Rex Ryan, and so when
Speaker 1: Rex Ryan got the head coaching job with the Jets,
Speaker 1: he went with him and he became the defensive coordinator.
Speaker 1: So they brought Jim Leonard, the safety who could teach
Speaker 1: the guys on the back end. Then they brought in
Speaker 1: Bart Scott, the linebacker who could teach those guys right
Speaker 1: there in the middle. And I can't remember who they
Speaker 1: brought in on the defensive line, but they brought three
Speaker 1: guys from Baltimore with them, and they had to pay them,
Speaker 1: but that was what they were trying to do. Hey,
Speaker 1: let's teach these guys the defense and look the Jets.
Speaker 1: From a defensive standpoint Underrect Ryan, they were a good
Speaker 1: football team and once a playoffs. Offensively, they had their issues.
Speaker 1: And I go back to my time when I covered
Speaker 1: the Lakers where Phil Jackson took over and he brings
Speaker 1: in a John Salis. John Sali's biggest experience was he
Speaker 1: could teach Shaquille O'Neil what a big man needed to
Speaker 1: do within a triangle. And then Phil also brought in
Speaker 1: Ron Harper and once again the experience that he brought
Speaker 1: that the most valuable asset was teaching Kobe Bryant. Hey,
Speaker 1: this is what we're looking to do. This is what
Speaker 1: tex what wants run, this is what Phil is looking for.
Speaker 1: And for me, when I look at Kazy, hey, if
Speaker 1: you've finally got somebody here as a safety who can
Speaker 1: tell these guys and I'm expecting them to go with
Speaker 1: young corners, Okay, you already got dig Let's say they
Speaker 1: use one of those draft picks on the corner that
Speaker 1: here's a guy, right, but tell people this is what
Speaker 1: you want, this is what you want to do. And
Speaker 1: I just think that's a benefit, and that to me
Speaker 1: is why I would I said Kazy over Hooker because
Speaker 1: now Joe Vitt also knows he could talk to this guy.
Speaker 1: So now you've got two people in the room speaking
Speaker 1: the same language to anyone and everyone else. The head
Speaker 1: I mean, the assistant coach at your position, your defensive coordinator,
Speaker 1: and now you've got him adding Keyan O'Neil, who they
Speaker 1: also signed. Um. I just think now you've got two
Speaker 1: levels where people have an understanding of what is wanted
Speaker 1: by the defensive coordinator. Neil is going to start in
Speaker 1: the linebacker room. Got that from head coach Mike McCarthy
Speaker 1: yesterday when I went out to the start. He spoke
Speaker 1: to the meeting and we got to meet with him
Speaker 1: for the first time and over a year. So I
Speaker 1: want to get your take. Also, one year deal for Casey,
Speaker 1: one year Neil for one year deal for Neil who
Speaker 1: also played down in Atlanta for Quinn and Joviti. Your
Speaker 1: take on him. Yeah, I think that was an extremely
Speaker 1: solid acquirement of you know, Keian o'mill. Like, I don't
Speaker 1: think it's a you know, flashy big name like, oh,
Speaker 1: we're just one pick that we're one Keyan O'Neil away
Speaker 1: from being a super Bowl contender. Like I don't think
Speaker 1: it's that type of pick, but I think in the
Speaker 1: role that he'll play, hopefully the role that he'll play,
Speaker 1: I think it's an extremely solid pick. I don't like
Speaker 1: him as in every down safety. I know you said
Speaker 1: he's gonna start with the linebackers, and I hope that's
Speaker 1: the case. I hope they found like a little niche
Speaker 1: for him there that I don't like him as in
Speaker 1: every down safety. He's more of that box safety. It
Speaker 1: can blitz, he can cover the tight ends a little
Speaker 1: bit here, and Mary can play some zone, be that
Speaker 1: enforcer type guy in that secondary, kind of like a
Speaker 1: Cam Chancellor. So I see the role that he wants
Speaker 1: to that he might build a niche for is that
Speaker 1: sub package linebacker, whether he comes in for Vander esh,
Speaker 1: whether he comes in for Jalen Smith, because we know
Speaker 1: both of those linebackers on third down can be liabilities
Speaker 1: in coverage. And I'm not saying, you know, Keyan O'Neill
Speaker 1: is is you know, Earl Thomas or something. He's covering
Speaker 1: all the wards stuff as well. But I think he's
Speaker 1: a better guy in space and a better coverage guy
Speaker 1: than those two linebackers. So I would love for him
Speaker 1: to come in on third downs, be that sub guy,
Speaker 1: be that guy, that that enforcer, that blitzer kind of
Speaker 1: cover the scatbacks or the tight ends here and there.
Speaker 1: I like that role for him, that he won't be
Speaker 1: in every down guy, so when he comes in, he'll
Speaker 1: be super fresh, and I think that's what they need
Speaker 1: out there. We talked, we talked about this on earlier
Speaker 1: podcasts with the Players Lounge, that you feel they need
Speaker 1: that cover linebacker and he might get a safety back
Speaker 1: you know by nature, but he can come in. He's
Speaker 1: big enough to be that guy. He's big enough to
Speaker 1: be that cover linebacker, and I think he can. He
Speaker 1: can benefit being in that role as a third down
Speaker 1: kind of sub guy to help this secondary and help
Speaker 1: this team overroad. I was talking with Rodney Harrison of
Speaker 1: NBC Sports and Rodney lives down in Atlanta, and that
Speaker 1: was the thing he told me about Cantley. He says,
Speaker 1: don't put him in safe and can't come he cannot cover,
Speaker 1: But he says, put him down there in the box
Speaker 1: and having covering some linebackers, he can help you. And
Speaker 1: to me, I look at this and say, did you
Speaker 1: improve your football team? I feel like they improved the
Speaker 1: football team, and yes that and this is where fans
Speaker 1: get get old, you know, a little salty and one
Speaker 1: year deals you're looking at, in my opinion, some stop gaps. Hey,
Speaker 1: let's just put let's plug this hole in right now.
Speaker 1: It's not permanent, but it's gonna plug it right now
Speaker 1: and will make it secure. So maybe there are more
Speaker 1: additions that come via the draft. Maybe there's an addition
Speaker 1: that comes that there's a post June one cut and
Speaker 1: somebody is able to come to you, But for now,
Speaker 1: it's about can you put a group that you can
Speaker 1: line up on defense right now? And to me, I
Speaker 1: look at having Kasey as an improvement over Xavier. To me,
Speaker 1: that's how I feel, and I think that, okay, all right,
Speaker 1: and bringing in Neil is an improvement. On the third linebacker.
Speaker 1: You have Sean Lee. Loves Sean Lee personally, but he's
Speaker 1: older and Sean Lee's availability was always in question and
Speaker 1: Joe Thomas has gone. So I look right there and
Speaker 1: I say, okay, this is this is major football team
Speaker 1: better and they know what the coordinator wants. How many
Speaker 1: times did we do the players allows last year? And
Speaker 1: you said, do guys know what in the world they're
Speaker 1: doing out there. Do they have an understanding of what
Speaker 1: right wants? And I think that's the biggest thing that
Speaker 1: dan Quinn hopefully he can bring down to this Dallas
Speaker 1: defense is just a simple, simplistic style defense where guys are, Okay,
Speaker 1: this guy motioned over here, we gotta check to A
Speaker 1: and B or this down emotion over here, we gotta
Speaker 1: have a check here. You saw the gears turning last year.
Speaker 1: It was just too much. Guys were thinking too much
Speaker 1: out there and it costs his team. So hopefully he
Speaker 1: can bring down that simple defense. He got some tools
Speaker 1: with him. We talked about the carpenter needed his tools,
Speaker 1: so he brought some tools with him. He asked Kaz
Speaker 1: as the whole safety. And now we've got keyan O'Neil
Speaker 1: hopefully being that sub linebacker, that third down situation guy
Speaker 1: coming in there to fill in that cover spot because
Speaker 1: we knew we knew these two last year Jaden Smith
Speaker 1: and Lvee they were big liabilities in coverage. I feel
Speaker 1: like keyan onil can come in and do what he
Speaker 1: can do on third down against the tight ends or
Speaker 1: against the scatt back. And overall think I think this
Speaker 1: defense has improved. I think bringing up the guys that
Speaker 1: they brought him, it has improved. And I think one
Speaker 1: of the biggest moves that they made was telling all
Speaker 1: this Smith he's not going to be back. I mean
Speaker 1: that opens the door for Randy really need to get
Speaker 1: a lot more snaps. It opened the door for Randy
Speaker 1: Gregory to get a lot more snatched, and I think him,
Speaker 1: paired with d Law on that edge, I think they
Speaker 1: could be something fearsome. So I think so far these
Speaker 1: moves as they're not as flashy as some of us
Speaker 1: might want. I think they're solid of raw and they
Speaker 1: improved this team well. When we were speaking with the
Speaker 1: head coach in the media yesterday, Alden Smith was brought up,
Speaker 1: and that David Moore, the Dallas payn who's asked the question,
Speaker 1: Mike mccarthur was like, hold all player, he said, I
Speaker 1: haven't on Alden Smith. That's what that's what hedges And
Speaker 1: so to me, this is just my interpretation. Either Jerry
Speaker 1: hasn't told him we're not bringing him back. But what's
Speaker 1: the thing. We see they've brought back the people they wanted.
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis get self the contract, you know they wanted
Speaker 1: to have him back in the fold. And if they
Speaker 1: wanted Alden Smith, and especially we're talking about a pass rusher,
Speaker 1: if you wanted the pass rusher, you'd have made a move.
Speaker 1: They didn't make a move. Yes, free agency, free agency
Speaker 1: start anything. Guess what, Nobody else made a move here.
Speaker 1: So he's trying to leave it like, hey, it's not
Speaker 1: over all. You know, we could bring it back. And
Speaker 1: I'm just sitting to myself saying, the only way I
Speaker 1: can see Alden Smith. The only way as if they
Speaker 1: don't find anyone in the draft or in free agency
Speaker 1: post June first, then they can go get I just
Speaker 1: I just don't see that guy back, based on how
Speaker 1: we've watched the Cowboys do business so many times. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't see it at all. I mean, like you said,
Speaker 1: Jerry never left the guys. He wants to get out
Speaker 1: of the building. And like you said, he goat Lewis
Speaker 1: back on his deal. We signed a couple of other gas,
Speaker 1: we signed a couple of deal women, and we could
Speaker 1: have had that allocation towards I don'tunderstand because I don't
Speaker 1: think he's demanding that much on an open market right now.
Speaker 1: But as we've seen last year towards the end of
Speaker 1: the season. Matter thak was, it was probably midway midway
Speaker 1: through the season and beyond where he kind of just
Speaker 1: fell off this cliff, you know. And and I don't
Speaker 1: know if he'd be better suited as a rotational guy
Speaker 1: or and not a starting out of every down guy.
Speaker 1: Maybe he'll get more production that way, But like you said,
Speaker 1: I don't see them bringing him back unless something, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe an injury happening, he's still on the market, or
Speaker 1: you know, I just don't see an overall coming back.
Speaker 1: The production just wasn't there. And there's guys that we
Speaker 1: have in the building now that need the reps. Randy Gregor,
Speaker 1: he showed out last year. He deserves to get more
Speaker 1: snaps out there and be that guy opposite the Marcus Lord.
Speaker 1: So bringing all the Smith back, I think it just
Speaker 1: clouds the room a little bit. He had a you know,
Speaker 1: he had a great story, but I think it's better
Speaker 1: than they both part ways man. And I looked at
Speaker 1: Smith and I was trying. I was trying to find
Speaker 1: out my phone right there because I thought I bookmarked it.
Speaker 1: But his production, I mean, you talk about it started
Speaker 1: hot and then basically from the last three months of
Speaker 1: the season. He didn't do anything. You know, the facts,
Speaker 1: the pressures, everything was just down. So basically he did everything,
Speaker 1: all of his damage in the first month of the
Speaker 1: season and then he fell on And so I just
Speaker 1: think that that whole Olden Smith thing is just like
Speaker 1: Mike Nolan, you tried it, you know what, it failed,
Speaker 1: move on along. And I know there's some well they're trying,
Speaker 1: but they're his supporters say, well, knew it was just
Speaker 1: the first year. Let's see what he could do it.
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, no, you got a new coordinator. Move on.
Speaker 1: And one of the problems I've had buried through the
Speaker 1: years is the Cowboys are the kings of having holding
Speaker 1: on the guys two years too long. Just he's like like, here,
Speaker 1: you know, just just move on. You tried it with
Speaker 1: Aldon Smith. It didn't work. McCarthy tried to say, well,
Speaker 1: I don't want to get into whole four three three four.
Speaker 1: You're trying to run different fronts, multiple fronts all the way.
Speaker 1: But no, Alden Smith, no, move on along. I don't
Speaker 1: see them meeting him. It just didn't work. It started
Speaker 1: how it ended, and you can't bury you've played the game.
Speaker 1: You know yourself. You can't lie to yourself and if
Speaker 1: you're and I feel like Mike McCarthy's lying to himself
Speaker 1: because he likes all the smith personal exactly like the
Speaker 1: old saying goes man, you don't have to lie to
Speaker 1: kick it all right, Like may my my god, little
Speaker 1: we know, you don't want to burn bridges. You don't
Speaker 1: want to make the guy you know you like them
Speaker 1: as a guy. You don't want to kind of just
Speaker 1: cut the acts like that. But we all know, I mean,
Speaker 1: this production fell off immensely, and we all know. You know,
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory's right there in the fold. I don't want
Speaker 1: to say we don't beat them, because you never know
Speaker 1: what injuries. But it's just now, I don't think it's
Speaker 1: a good match coming back and going forward. And and
Speaker 1: that's speaking of that Mike McCarthy conference. I mean, he
Speaker 1: said a lot of things. You know, we're gonna bring
Speaker 1: to the three four, elements of the three four and
Speaker 1: properties of the fourth three, we're gonna mix them together.
Speaker 1: I don't think we need to go down that road.
Speaker 1: I mean, we we looked at Las year with Nolan
Speaker 1: with all these multiple looks and different factors and all
Speaker 1: this other stuff, and we look like a complete dumpster
Speaker 1: fire out there. On defense. I think what I think
Speaker 1: needs to happen on this defense, which dan Quinn hopefully
Speaker 1: can bring here, it's just make everything cut and dry.
Speaker 1: We're in covering three man. Look, we're in covering three.
Speaker 1: You know when we're in let's go, let's play. And
Speaker 1: he had his best success when he had those type
Speaker 1: of defenses. Now he had better players on that defense.
Speaker 1: But according to everybody out there, dan quinns a solution.
Speaker 1: He could have come in here and make these guys
Speaker 1: sat back into that twenty eighteen form where they were
Speaker 1: Pro Bowls and all over the place. So if he
Speaker 1: can bring there and bring that simple style, I think
Speaker 1: it will been up to us. But we didn't get
Speaker 1: rid of this multiple look, multiple scheme, these properties from here,
Speaker 1: these properties from there. I just think it caused too
Speaker 1: much confusion, and it showed last year in this defense.
Speaker 1: Here's something I took away from what he said, which
Speaker 1: in my mind I didn't really like what I heard.
Speaker 1: I think the best people know exactly what it is
Speaker 1: they do. They know exactly what it's and I would
Speaker 1: like to ask dan Quinn. Dan Quinn, what are you
Speaker 1: running for? Three? Are you running multiple? Three? Four? I mean,
Speaker 1: to me, the best ones know who they are. If
Speaker 1: you ask an offensive guy, hey are you are you pass?
Speaker 1: You know your offensive? Passing? Offensive? Running offense? I mean
Speaker 1: you know what you're gonna know what you are. You know,
Speaker 1: Andy Reid's a passing offense. That's what he does down
Speaker 1: there in Tennessee. Before Arthur Smith loved to become the
Speaker 1: Atlanta Falcons and coach, you know that was a running
Speaker 1: offense here. You know what you are. Tell me what
Speaker 1: you are. That's what the best do. I love going
Speaker 1: in and out Burger. You don't think a lot about it.
Speaker 1: Alt Burger. That's all they do. And I'm sitting around
Speaker 1: here now and that's not one restaurant. And I'm not
Speaker 1: going to name a fast food chain, but they have
Speaker 1: so much stuff. And I always say to myself, the
Speaker 1: one reason why I really never love anything they have
Speaker 1: because they make too much stuff. I've worked in fast food, Okay,
Speaker 1: I've worked in fast food, and I've had to make
Speaker 1: different types of things, and every time they added something
Speaker 1: to the menu, it was you had to think about.
Speaker 1: It was one more thing. And I always thought to myself.
Speaker 1: You know, if I wanted this particular thing, you need
Speaker 1: to go to this particular store to go get it.
Speaker 1: Raising kings, all right, what's one thing I like about
Speaker 1: raising kings? They just Tolely do his chicken and I
Speaker 1: do any burgers not do at fish? And why are
Speaker 1: they so successful? That's what they do? You go out
Speaker 1: to chick fil A, Man, people love Chick fil A.
Speaker 1: That's what they do. And that's what I'm finding what
Speaker 1: that's what they're doing. You know what you are. And
Speaker 1: when when Mike came out there said man, we're gonna
Speaker 1: be when we could run four three three, It's I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: but let me hear from dan Quinn. I mean really
Speaker 1: at this point time, let me hear from dan Quinn
Speaker 1: and what dan Quinn's gonna do. And that's the thing
Speaker 1: we were talking about earlier in the Players and House
Speaker 1: earlier this year. Do we know the identity? Do we
Speaker 1: know what this defense is about or what this team
Speaker 1: is about overall? I mean we it's just to me,
Speaker 1: it's kind of just or we want to be this,
Speaker 1: we want to be that, and we're just okay at
Speaker 1: a lot of things. It's saying being great at one
Speaker 1: simple thing. And right now we I don't know, I
Speaker 1: don't know if you know what it happen to be
Speaker 1: is because right now we haven't been told. We haven't
Speaker 1: been told what we're gonna do as a defense. So
Speaker 1: we'll just have to wait and see. All right, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna ask you this Church, when you left jack Dallas
Speaker 1: for Jacksonville, what was the defense that you guys had
Speaker 1: to win to the Nancy Championship? What was it? Was
Speaker 1: that Seattle defense that Gus Bradley single high defense and
Speaker 1: you knew what order for? You know, we knew he
Speaker 1: Every time we came out, it snapped a little. I
Speaker 1: was at downbout a line of scrimmage and you knew
Speaker 1: what we were. We were either in a cover of three,
Speaker 1: we were a man, or we were blitzed. I mean
Speaker 1: there was there was no elaborate disguise, There was nothing like.
Speaker 1: We did what we did and teams knew that. Now,
Speaker 1: granted we had a hillacious front seven, I mean we
Speaker 1: had to spit some of the best defensive linement I've
Speaker 1: ever played with out there, and we had a fast
Speaker 1: linebackers that can run and tackle and cover similar to
Speaker 1: what keyan O'Neill could do. Because when we had we
Speaker 1: had a I what was his name, I get Smith.
Speaker 1: He was at all linebacker Miles Jack and we had
Speaker 1: Telvin Smith, and Telvin Smith soaking wet was about my side.
Speaker 1: So he was two seventeen maybe soaking wet, but that speed,
Speaker 1: that sideline of the sideline, he was able to do that.
Speaker 1: And that's the defense that I'm hoping we can get
Speaker 1: to here in Dallas. Like maybe we need a couple
Speaker 1: more parts here and there, but that that single high
Speaker 1: at Gus Fradley, that Dan Quinn and Seattle type defense.
Speaker 1: It works if you got the tools and you make
Speaker 1: it simple. And these guys just flying hit and I
Speaker 1: think we're all the way towards that. Well, we're just
Speaker 1: gonna make it. Had a couple more pieces here and there.
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Speaker 1: studio on new Scrugs a long time Cowboys reporter joined
Speaker 1: by former Dallas Cowboys safety Barry Church. Danny McCrae with
Speaker 1: the day off here All right, man, j Ron Curse,
Speaker 1: there was another safety the Cowboys signs. The Cowboys really
Speaker 1: addressing that defensive backfield this week with three signings here.
Speaker 1: Special teams captain played last year Detroit, started seven games
Speaker 1: there before that, he played in Minnesota. So many times
Speaker 1: we get on this show and we really do stress
Speaker 1: special teams. Spell This is how Danny made the Cowboys. Here.
Speaker 1: Your thoughts on Curse being with this football team now, Look,
Speaker 1: I think it's a great sign And if the MAC
Speaker 1: was here, he'd be applauding right now because finally it
Speaker 1: feels like this organization, this team, they're taking special teams seriously.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, they signed C. J. Goodwin, who was
Speaker 1: probably their best special teamer on the team, well on
Speaker 1: the team last year he was, and maybe in the
Speaker 1: NFL and then now you bring Cursing, who can be
Speaker 1: that kind of backup to Keian O'Neill and that sublinebacker system,
Speaker 1: and he can help out on special teams. Now, I
Speaker 1: did a little I did a little research on Pro
Speaker 1: Football Focus, and I think they had him listed way
Speaker 1: down there as far as special team. I think he's
Speaker 1: like five hundreds or something like that when it comes
Speaker 1: to team. So hopefully he can ramp that up a
Speaker 1: little bit. But it shows that when they signed guys
Speaker 1: like that, they're putting the emphasis on special teams or
Speaker 1: not just bringing in guys and saying, all us throw
Speaker 1: him on punt or all us throw him on kickoff,
Speaker 1: because we've seen that can hurt your team special teams.
Speaker 1: If you don't have guys out there with that mentality
Speaker 1: to go out go out there and just run through walls,
Speaker 1: it can hurt your team overall. We've seen and hurt
Speaker 1: our team in the past. So I just like it
Speaker 1: overall that they're putting the emphasis on bringing guys in
Speaker 1: that can play strictly special teams and can help this
Speaker 1: team out overall. It can be a benefit for us
Speaker 1: and now they're taking it serious. So another solid, another
Speaker 1: solid acquisition by a Dallas Cowboys. So special team guys
Speaker 1: is gonna be on specials and then also is a
Speaker 1: backup player at the safety position here injuries happen, even
Speaker 1: bigger dude, it's something. Yeah, he can be there. That
Speaker 1: sub blearning backer guy behind came so to me, I
Speaker 1: think we don't talk enough about who are your backups.
Speaker 1: Bill Parcels used to do an outstanding job when he
Speaker 1: spoke to us in the media to say, hey, I'm
Speaker 1: always churning the bottom of the roster. You always have
Speaker 1: to look at because at some point in time you're
Speaker 1: gonna have to go to the bottom of your roster
Speaker 1: for guys to make some plays and help you win
Speaker 1: some football games. Here and not picking on the Kansas
Speaker 1: City Chiefs, but just pointing out because this is, you know,
Speaker 1: the the latest example of what we saw. They lose
Speaker 1: their two starting tackles and they had to put a
Speaker 1: guard at tackle in the Super Bowl, and then they
Speaker 1: had to take another backup tackling Mike Rimmers who's an
Speaker 1: older player, and put him out there and they got
Speaker 1: eight up by Tampa Bett a party. It's imperative that
Speaker 1: you have backups that can can play Cameron Brake was
Speaker 1: a backup. Remember now they signed Rob Gronkowski, that Cameron Bread,
Speaker 1: and then they also had used the first round pick
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago when the big kid out
Speaker 1: out of Alabama. Well, Oj ends up getting hurt, and
Speaker 1: so now Break becomes the starter with Gronk coming on
Speaker 1: and playing, and you know, Gronk had to touchdown the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. But just you know, unique depth, because I
Speaker 1: remember a lot of people thinking that. I thought at first, well,
Speaker 1: if you've got Bread and you've got Oj and it
Speaker 1: got Gronk, I mean, that's too many dudes. But guess
Speaker 1: what they needed all three of those tight ends. And
Speaker 1: tight ends are a big part of how Tom Brady's
Speaker 1: had a success through the years. So the back of
Speaker 1: the back end of your roster and some guys that
Speaker 1: you may think are third teams, this is important. So
Speaker 1: I look at the Cowbirs, I just huge. I like what.
Speaker 1: I like what they're doing. It's not flashy, Okay, it's
Speaker 1: not the big free agent signing that a lot of
Speaker 1: people want it. But I just look here and I
Speaker 1: just say, Okay, this can make sense. This can make sense.
Speaker 1: Neil makes sense, Kaz makes it. Curse it makes sense.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm looking at. And we've seen we've seen
Speaker 1: how injuries can affect this team. Last year, I mean,
Speaker 1: we had guys go out and left in right and
Speaker 1: we put Hoosh Posh an offensive linemen together. I mean,
Speaker 1: we were playing fantasy football. Let's move Zach marked over here.
Speaker 1: We can you know, put me out this year, we
Speaker 1: can put Williams here and then you know, eventually they
Speaker 1: jailed and they gather it together towards the end of
Speaker 1: the season. But like you said, those those depth pieces,
Speaker 1: they're very valuable and they're not the flash like, oh
Speaker 1: my goodness, they acquired this guy, can't believe that we're
Speaker 1: going to the super Bowl. Then, not those type of
Speaker 1: flashy picks. But they come in handy because football is
Speaker 1: a violent, violent sport and there's a long one and
Speaker 1: they're they're thinking about adding another game to it. So
Speaker 1: injuries happen. Injuries happen all over the NFL, and to
Speaker 1: have depth pieces like this on your team, it comes
Speaker 1: in value. And hopefully these guys or be able to
Speaker 1: take advantage of that. But I mean, we need, we
Speaker 1: need these death pieces, and I'm glad they signed these pieces. Overall,
Speaker 1: but also with the offensive line. I mean that that
Speaker 1: gets you Joe Looney, Like Joe Looney, I think it's
Speaker 1: a valuable piece of an offensive Line's a free agent,
Speaker 1: so so we'll see xactly he's a free agent. Yea,
Speaker 1: his market is and where he goes. Remember and you
Speaker 1: were you were a youngster at the time. But the
Speaker 1: Cowboys signed Dion Sanders. So they signed Dion Sanders. They
Speaker 1: already had Larry Brown, who's a starting quarterback on a
Speaker 1: Super Bowl team. But Larry became the third quarter went
Speaker 1: to the bitch because you had Kevin Smith. So what
Speaker 1: happens right out of the gate, here's Dion and Kevin Smith.
Speaker 1: You're starting corners. Pump ends up getting hurt, so Smith
Speaker 1: is out for the year. Larry Brown has to come
Speaker 1: in and play and ends up, you know, with the
Speaker 1: game winning interception of Super Bowl thirty. Had two picks
Speaker 1: in that in that thing, and that's Larry ended up
Speaker 1: getting paid by the Raiders. But that's that thing about death.
Speaker 1: You just you have to try to find it where
Speaker 1: you can. Um. Mike McCarthy made news yesterday when he
Speaker 1: told the media Tyrone Crawford, after nine seasons, is going
Speaker 1: to stop playing football and retire thirty one years old.
Speaker 1: He's a guy you played with church. Your thoughts on
Speaker 1: Tyrone Crawford calling it a Christian man, what a great dude.
Speaker 1: I mean, though I know we kind of got out
Speaker 1: got after him a little bit during the season because
Speaker 1: of his productivity. But I mean, over all, this guy
Speaker 1: has had a heck of a career. Man. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's in the trenches, down in and down now that
Speaker 1: he was a third round pick, and from the beginning
Speaker 1: when he came to the Dallas Cowboys, he had that
Speaker 1: just that dog mentality, the guy that you want to
Speaker 1: go into the fight with, the guy that you want
Speaker 1: to go to war with, will have you back. That's
Speaker 1: the type of guy he is. And he did all
Speaker 1: the dirty work down there. He got all the double teams.
Speaker 1: He kind of when when Officer Blenden weren't able to
Speaker 1: get up to the second level. He was a reason
Speaker 1: that Jay Lennon and Sean and twenty and eighteen they
Speaker 1: were able to run sideline the sideline because he was
Speaker 1: that guy that did all the dirty work for him.
Speaker 1: You know, he didn't have a lot of shacks or
Speaker 1: a lot of you know, tackles, for loss, for all
Speaker 1: that stuff. But the guy is a solid teammate and
Speaker 1: he was a solid player, and I'm glad his career
Speaker 1: he was able to play with one team and that's
Speaker 1: something that a lot of players aren't able to do.
Speaker 1: They're not able to do the whole distance with one team,
Speaker 1: and he was able to do that. And like I said,
Speaker 1: he was a great captain, great team leader, and he
Speaker 1: was an amazing locker room guy. I mean, this guy,
Speaker 1: he would give you the shirt office back if he could.
Speaker 1: So great career. Salute to that man. He had a
Speaker 1: hell of a career. And I'm looking forward to seeing
Speaker 1: what he does post football because he's an intelligent man,
Speaker 1: So I want to see what he could do post football.
Speaker 1: But hell of a career for Tylan Crawford. So Crawford
Speaker 1: is not going to be a member of Cowboys anymore.
Speaker 1: He was a free agent. Sean Lee is also free.
Speaker 1: McCarthy yesterday said that they were still having conversations and
Speaker 1: basically said that there's nothing's been decided in Stone about
Speaker 1: Sean Lee. But to me, when I just look at
Speaker 1: the kind of roster space they had and the money
Speaker 1: that you had to commit when you bring in a
Speaker 1: veteran player like Sean Lee. I don't see how he
Speaker 1: has a role because you brought in Keyan O'Neill, who
Speaker 1: they said, and there's a McCarthy's words, he's going to
Speaker 1: start in the linebacker room. So I'm thinking right out
Speaker 1: of the gate, all right, you've got vander Esh, you've
Speaker 1: got Smith, you got Neil. If you bring back Sean Lee,
Speaker 1: where does he fit in? And this other key component
Speaker 1: I had to keep trying to stress to fans, Sean
Speaker 1: Lee's not a guy that's gonna play special teams? Can
Speaker 1: you for to have a guy on your football team
Speaker 1: who has two things to work again, three things work
Speaker 1: in some one age two his ability and to stay healthy,
Speaker 1: and three doesn't play specials. I just don't see how
Speaker 1: you can do that. Yeah, you're right. I just can't
Speaker 1: see just the special teams part of it. Because he's
Speaker 1: the guy that's gonna be on the active roster. He'd
Speaker 1: be dressing right there. You're only allowed to dress, I
Speaker 1: believe with forty six or that was the old rule.
Speaker 1: But he's another guy that's just gonna take up a
Speaker 1: roster spot. And I mean, this is a hell of
Speaker 1: a guy. A hell of a team may help a
Speaker 1: coach out there, but that's the spot that you can
Speaker 1: bring in somebody who can you can help out on
Speaker 1: special teams, who can go out there and run on punt,
Speaker 1: run on kickoff, block on kickoff return, do all those
Speaker 1: things and add a depth piece for the linebacker unit,
Speaker 1: like like a Luke Gifford somebody like that. So to me,
Speaker 1: if he were to come on there, if they were
Speaker 1: to bring him back, I mean, it'd just be filling
Speaker 1: up a roster spot. And I just don't think they
Speaker 1: need to do that. I think they're still talking because
Speaker 1: maybe maybe he was they want him to come back
Speaker 1: and coach. I'm not sure people wants to go that route,
Speaker 1: but you know, they just don't want to burn bridges.
Speaker 1: So we'll see what goes on with Sean. But as
Speaker 1: far as bringing him back as a part of the
Speaker 1: team on the football team, apt I just can't see
Speaker 1: it happened. I just can't see it. And I also
Speaker 1: think that the Cowboys will make some type of move
Speaker 1: in the draft. And when you just look at contract situations,
Speaker 1: here's something that you in my opinion, you look at
Speaker 1: where guys are, then I think you have to try
Speaker 1: to look to to bring in other guys. Jimmy John's
Speaker 1: always you say, hey, I'm trying to draft your replacement.
Speaker 1: So we know Jalen Smith's contract the team after this season,
Speaker 1: they're done with the guaranteed money, so they could move
Speaker 1: on from Jalen. Then you've got Laton Vanderesh next year
Speaker 1: if they pick up if they pick up his fifth
Speaker 1: year option, and they've got to make this decision a
Speaker 1: little bit later on this year. That I don't know. Man,
Speaker 1: they I expect them to do it. Okay, I expect
Speaker 1: I expect them to because it's what they do. Man.
Speaker 1: Fear the unknown, the fear of the unknown has always
Speaker 1: been something that that has that's hurt Jerry Jones in
Speaker 1: my opinion, thinking, you know what, and we tell you said,
Speaker 1: they hold lot of guys a lot longer than they should.
Speaker 1: So without having a replacement for him, I think they
Speaker 1: just go ahead and pay the number. You pay the number. Now,
Speaker 1: Now here's the question. This is the bigger question. It's
Speaker 1: much more than the fifth year. It's doesn't get a
Speaker 1: second contract because Vanderess get a second number. That's the
Speaker 1: bigger question. And I just think he's gotta play all sixteen.
Speaker 1: He's gotta I think he if he if he can
Speaker 1: get back to that that rookie year. But I mean
Speaker 1: when you as a player, when you got an injury
Speaker 1: like that, like that, that injury, it's subconsciously in the
Speaker 1: back yend mind, it's always gonna message. It's always gonna
Speaker 1: be there, like I don't want to stick my head
Speaker 1: too far in there. And at the position he plays,
Speaker 1: he can be banging each in every down with a big,
Speaker 1: three headed pound lineman coming at you, and subconsciously you're
Speaker 1: always gonna be like, oh, let me make sure I
Speaker 1: got my neck out of there. It is not going
Speaker 1: to let you be that explosive player that you once were.
Speaker 1: So for me one, he has to play all sixteen
Speaker 1: and he has to get back to that playmaking mentality,
Speaker 1: which I'm not sure he's gonna be able to do
Speaker 1: so for me, you know, but you gotta figure out
Speaker 1: if you're picking up before the season. So that's a
Speaker 1: tough call, man, That's a tough PHLL. At this point
Speaker 1: in time, just knowing their history of what they've done
Speaker 1: and what they have done, I believe that they'll pick
Speaker 1: up the fifth year option on Latin bands Also, I
Speaker 1: do believe we could see the Cowboys use a top
Speaker 1: one of their top three picks because remember they've got
Speaker 1: i mean got top four picks on a linebacker. You know,
Speaker 1: they've got a first round pick, a second round picking,
Speaker 1: two third round picks. I'm just I'm just looking at
Speaker 1: them using one of these picks on a linebacker that
Speaker 1: they believe can cover. I look at a guy like
Speaker 1: a chassa ride at North Carolina. He's not listed as
Speaker 1: one of your top linebacker. You're the one of these
Speaker 1: not listens, you know, like Michael Parsons. But here's a
Speaker 1: guy that you can start to look and say, can
Speaker 1: he fit our scheme? And sad as a kid who
Speaker 1: can play it used to be a quarterback, which is interesting.
Speaker 1: He started off as a quarterback and then he became
Speaker 1: a linebacker. And that's somebody that when he said why
Speaker 1: can he cover, it's like because he knows, he knows
Speaker 1: what he's seeing. I think that's an advantage for a
Speaker 1: player on defense, like, Okay, I know what I'm seeing here,
Speaker 1: um so so we'll see, you'll see. But but I
Speaker 1: just think that when you started going to look into
Speaker 1: your linebacking corps you've got to start to address this
Speaker 1: and think long term here, because you've got injury questions
Speaker 1: with Van daresh Um, You've got is Jalen Smith going
Speaker 1: to be be what you want him to be? And
Speaker 1: then you've got Neil who's also limited as well. You
Speaker 1: at some point in time you'd like to get yourself
Speaker 1: a Devin Bush type of guy when you're on your
Speaker 1: full party. And those injury questions, to me, they blow
Speaker 1: my mind here with the Cowboys, like we always either
Speaker 1: drafting or bringing in gays with previous injuries. Look at
Speaker 1: our whole defense right now. I mean, Jaylen Smith, even
Speaker 1: though he's played a lot, he's had an injury history,
Speaker 1: LB Ego, the injury history. We're bringing in Kaz who's
Speaker 1: coming off in a Kittles saying what ked on new?
Speaker 1: I mean, we're just fielding a defense full of injured,
Speaker 1: injury prone players and it's scary. It's scary. That's why
Speaker 1: I hope this defense, this draft, we use it to
Speaker 1: stop filing defense man because we got a lot of
Speaker 1: guys out there with injury history, and we saw what
Speaker 1: happens if what an't two guys go down. This whole
Speaker 1: ship can see so It was tough, but we gotta hit,
Speaker 1: and we gotta hit defensively in this draft, which goes
Speaker 1: back to my thing about a guy like Sean Lee,
Speaker 1: that injury thing and not playing special teams. You simply
Speaker 1: can't have that on your football team. And at a
Speaker 1: certain point in time, you've got to start to look
Speaker 1: at players. And I go back to another thing Bill
Speaker 1: Parcels used to say, are you a progress stopper? You
Speaker 1: bring in some of these guys, you bring them back,
Speaker 1: they're they're stopping the progress of a younger guy to
Speaker 1: see exactly what the smith and what can they do
Speaker 1: for you? And that was that was one of the
Speaker 1: guys I was gonna Alden Smith, you're blocking the progress.
Speaker 1: See exactly what else can Randy Gregory be? What else
Speaker 1: can doorn Armstrong being, Um, you need to see this.
Speaker 1: I thought that Jason Witten's last year with the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: he was blocking the progress to see more of Jake,
Speaker 1: of what we can see from Blake Jarwin that we
Speaker 1: needed to see more. Um, you've got You've got to
Speaker 1: at some point in time just say, all right, you
Speaker 1: know an older player, thank you. We need to move
Speaker 1: on to a younger guy because we need to see.
Speaker 1: And if you get to see earlier what a younger
Speaker 1: guy can do, then you can make a decision that
Speaker 1: may be smart enough that you can sign the player
Speaker 1: to a contract with more favorable terms before that, you know,
Speaker 1: and that you can project. So I just look at
Speaker 1: some of these moves and some of these guys and
Speaker 1: just say, are you a progress stopper for the Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboy and all that? We need to move on from you.
Speaker 1: And you can't forget the whole salary cap thing. Luke
Speaker 1: Gifford is going to be a cheaper player for you
Speaker 1: than Sean Lee and Luke Gifford is to be teams
Speaker 1: and that's what Sean Lee can't do. Right, So, if
Speaker 1: you're not one of my top three guys, my fourth
Speaker 1: linebacker can't be that dude that that's there. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like your third running back. Your third running back
Speaker 1: can't be a dude that's not out there playing special teams.
Speaker 1: You just can't have that, can't do it, can't be
Speaker 1: on the team. Yeah. So so that is to me
Speaker 1: a real, a real big deal. There By the way,
Speaker 1: we got breaking news Dolphins trading and a number three
Speaker 1: pick to the forty nine ers for the number twelve pick.
Speaker 1: There's also some other things in there, But how about that,
Speaker 1: that's some breaking news and just see Dolphins go from
Speaker 1: um yes. And here's what I hate about that, because
Speaker 1: I was just talking with somebody the other day about
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. I said, I think number ten could be
Speaker 1: in play if Jerry Jones wanted it to be, because
Speaker 1: if the quarterbacks are moving like we think they could move,
Speaker 1: somebody will want to come in at ten because you've
Speaker 1: got plenty of teams that are behind the Cowboys that
Speaker 1: are looking at a quarterback. And I mentioned the forty
Speaker 1: nine ers at twelve. I mentioned the New England at fifteen.
Speaker 1: I think the raid are just sitting here around seventeen.
Speaker 1: The Bears are at twenty, so the Cowboys could have
Speaker 1: some options. So that Niners option is off the table
Speaker 1: here for Them's a smart move. Smart move by Miami.
Speaker 1: Look at it this way, Barry. You're you're now saying
Speaker 1: two is okay? Two was okay with it? We want
Speaker 1: to saying he's the guy. You're saying he's the man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you don't have to pay that price tag of
Speaker 1: a number three pick. And then of course they got
Speaker 1: other stuff here too, So um wow, so that just happened.
Speaker 1: That just happen right here doing the players like, yes,
Speaker 1: and if you do, jim all right, So if the
Speaker 1: forty man is going up to three, they're going to
Speaker 1: have to a quarterback. They're getting one of those early guys,
Speaker 1: maybe the kid from b YU or Trade Lads, one
Speaker 1: of those. They're getting one of those games. So Jimmy G.
Speaker 1: Jimmy G's on his way out there now that you
Speaker 1: think it's going to reunite, reunite, reunite with thell over
Speaker 1: in New England because they got him for the chief,
Speaker 1: so they ain't like, you know, if they don't cam
Speaker 1: to get they're getting hit with all this cap and
Speaker 1: didn't money or anything like that because they got him
Speaker 1: on a relativity cheap deals three Jim Yeah, I could
Speaker 1: seem they should be Jimmy Jim over to New England.
Speaker 1: He's been in love. He wanted him to be the
Speaker 1: Aaron parent, you know, before Tom Brady said he got
Speaker 1: to get out of here. But I can see that
Speaker 1: easily happening in a way that things up now that
Speaker 1: I mean, all right here, here's what it is according
Speaker 1: to NFL Network. Uh Dolphins Niners make this trade. So
Speaker 1: if the forty nine ers get the third pick in
Speaker 1: the draft while Miami gets number twelve, they get a
Speaker 1: three and a future number one source I may say
Speaker 1: in the future number future number one source confirmed by
Speaker 1: Adam Schefter. So what a fantastic deal for Miami. You
Speaker 1: go from three to twelve, You're gonna get yourself a
Speaker 1: future number one pick, and you get a three right there,
Speaker 1: and you get to cut down costs. Adam Schefter also
Speaker 1: forty nine ers are now square in the mix, but
Speaker 1: they're holding on a Jimmy Garoppolo and half no plans
Speaker 1: to trade him, per sources, So they may say we
Speaker 1: want to go back. Um, well, okay, I'll throw it
Speaker 1: out there this way. Jimmy's making money. I think it's
Speaker 1: like twenty two I heard something like that. So that's
Speaker 1: not crazy money for a starter because of the way
Speaker 1: you have the salary cap down, you could fit two
Speaker 1: quarterbacks in for this price. Or you're doing to me,
Speaker 1: what should you say? You should say, I'm holding on
Speaker 1: to Jimmy Garoppolo because you want to get something better
Speaker 1: for You're basically saying, all right, give me a real offer.
Speaker 1: If you want the guy show me something. So this
Speaker 1: is you can you can get you a bid any
Speaker 1: more out there. Let's see what happened to Jimmy. Jimmy's
Speaker 1: a solid que when healthy. You know, he's a solid
Speaker 1: quarter that he did just leave that team to the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. So I mean, I'm not sure somebody would
Speaker 1: get him as a four number one, like they wouldn't
Speaker 1: pay a trade the first round pigermuting like that for him.
Speaker 1: But you can get you can get some solid death
Speaker 1: pieces for Jimmy. G all right, let's take a break. Um,
Speaker 1: let's get into the draft with the Cowboys here, because
Speaker 1: now that they've made some moves, let's project what we
Speaker 1: think they could do at ten. And also the offensive
Speaker 1: line got a touch upon that as well, and that's
Speaker 1: also a part of the draft conversation on Neuis Scrugs
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Speaker 1: just find out that found out that the Miami Dolphins
Speaker 1: are in forty nine ers and made a trade in
Speaker 1: the first round forty nine ers going from twelve to three.
Speaker 1: They're also going to send a future number one pick
Speaker 1: two the Miami Dolphins, and Miami is going to get
Speaker 1: their third rounder this year. That story broken by Adam Schefter,
Speaker 1: also confirmed by Ian Rappaport of NFL dot Com. Church
Speaker 1: in this Dame, you do not trade from twelve to
Speaker 1: three to take tackle or a lot that you do
Speaker 1: it for either a pass rusher or a quarterback. They're
Speaker 1: gonna go get a quarterback. And I believe this is
Speaker 1: just my opinion that quarterback is justin fields of Ohio sticked.
Speaker 1: I would have to agree with you on that one,
Speaker 1: and I think so because if you think, if you
Speaker 1: look back at it, I mean a lot of people
Speaker 1: were trying to link the Shawn Watson and Mike and
Speaker 1: Mike Shanahana out there in forty nine or Land, and
Speaker 1: they would say how he would become an incidant MVP
Speaker 1: and this, that and the third about him, And if
Speaker 1: you look at it, I mean justin fields. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying he's a Shaun Watson, but they have a similar
Speaker 1: skill set. They're both athletic, they both have huge arms,
Speaker 1: They're kind of this playmaker type quarterback. So they both
Speaker 1: had those same type of type of skill set. And
Speaker 1: I believe if the forty nine ers go up there
Speaker 1: and they grab him, I think they can get the
Speaker 1: most out of him, and he could be one of those,
Speaker 1: you know, one of those top rookie quarterbacks coming out.
Speaker 1: So I don't I can see it happening. I can
Speaker 1: see them going to get field justin Fields rather than
Speaker 1: you know, the kid from BYU or the kid from
Speaker 1: a trade as to get from out the Dakota States.
Speaker 1: So I can see that that Fields happening for sure. Well,
Speaker 1: if we look at Trevor Lawrence going um number one
Speaker 1: in Jacksonville BYU quarterback or one number two to the Jets,
Speaker 1: and that leaves you fields. I And this is just me,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't look when I look at Fields,
Speaker 1: I don't see Watson. I really see more of a
Speaker 1: polished Dak Prescott in college. I think that Dak Prescott
Speaker 1: played at a school like Ohio State, where you had
Speaker 1: so many more folks around you versus Mississippi State. I
Speaker 1: think Dak could have had that same type of effect
Speaker 1: in terms of being a player that could lead a
Speaker 1: team to the college football playoff. You know, go to
Speaker 1: big time bowl game, Um, Mississippi State. You know, you're
Speaker 1: just limited by so much of what you what you
Speaker 1: have around you. You know, they're not a school that's
Speaker 1: gonna be in that national championship conversation. Um, it's just tough.
Speaker 1: And I know he made him number one when he
Speaker 1: was there, but you know he was doing so much
Speaker 1: on his own getting a little help out there. I
Speaker 1: think he's more justin fields. I think fields at this
Speaker 1: point because it was an accurate passer and dad coming
Speaker 1: out of Mississippi State, DA's improved upon that. But but
Speaker 1: I just kind of look at, hey, what do I
Speaker 1: project justin fields as I think he can be in
Speaker 1: that Dak Prescott conversation. That's how I look at look
Speaker 1: at him. So to me, I think that's what the
Speaker 1: forty nine ers do at three. So let's just keep
Speaker 1: talking about the draft. Right now, we're expecting three quarterbacks
Speaker 1: to go. There's no way they don't take Trevor Lawrence
Speaker 1: and Jacksonville. The reason I say, b why they take
Speaker 1: the by quarterback? I think that you know they're gonna
Speaker 1: look at Zach and then if you take Zach Wilson,
Speaker 1: you don't have to pay him as much money as
Speaker 1: you would have to pay Sam Donald. You know, Sam
Speaker 1: Donald's contracts is going up there. You can get you
Speaker 1: can get the kid from b y U and pay
Speaker 1: a lot less money and not have to make this
Speaker 1: decision as quick on a second contract. So I can
Speaker 1: see that happening. And then the forty nine ers take
Speaker 1: take fields right there. So that's quarterbacks one, two three.
Speaker 1: The Cowboys here sitting at ten. So as you see
Speaker 1: quarterbacks go, this pushes down talent towards you. The boys, ah,
Speaker 1: here we go, are sitting in a position that they
Speaker 1: could and should be able to take a top corner
Speaker 1: at ten. Patrick Sutan from Alabama, the SEC Defensive Player
Speaker 1: of the Year who came in second for the Jim
Speaker 1: Thorpe Award. Patrick Sutan ran this week. He ran a
Speaker 1: four point four two forty yard dash. He's six ft two,
Speaker 1: two hundred eight pounds. Patrick's tan a second. His dad
Speaker 1: played the league. This is a guy that you hear
Speaker 1: the word technician a lot of times. You're like, hey,
Speaker 1: he's not super brady than any one thing, but he
Speaker 1: just does everything well. Church, your take on that player
Speaker 1: and this and a forty yard time. Look, I've been
Speaker 1: beating the desk. I love this kid. This is who
Speaker 1: I think we need to get our fenth overall pick.
Speaker 1: Pair him with his former Alabama our teammate over there
Speaker 1: and dig and I think we have a set secondary.
Speaker 1: We got the veteran guy that can control the defense
Speaker 1: back there in Kaz, who's been in dan Quinn's system.
Speaker 1: So I think it's only right that we get that
Speaker 1: other book and corner, and I pray that we get
Speaker 1: this guy and we do not go after, you know,
Speaker 1: a flashy offensive pick like the tight end out of Florida,
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts. I keep hearing this name come up, and
Speaker 1: it's momentum. I understand. I understand. This guy is a
Speaker 1: freak of nature. He's a mismatched nightmare, and supposedly he
Speaker 1: can just elevate your offense automatically when he gets in here.
Speaker 1: But we already have an explosive offense. We get all
Speaker 1: quarterback one back, we get we arguably top five. I
Speaker 1: would say, as far as we're our receiver Trio and
Speaker 1: Michael Gallup, CD Lamb and Cooper out there, we got.
Speaker 1: We just played Blake Jarlin. He's coming off with an
Speaker 1: ACL but to back him up, we had Dalton Shoultz.
Speaker 1: Here's no scrub out there. So for me, we have
Speaker 1: so many offensive weapons, and that's not even to mention
Speaker 1: Ezekiel Elliott in the backfield. We have so many offensive
Speaker 1: weapons already to pass the ball around. I don't think
Speaker 1: we have that luxury of going after an offensive guy
Speaker 1: like Kyle Pitts when we have so many knees defensively.
Speaker 1: And I think if we go after Certain, will it
Speaker 1: fix the whole defense to make us a top ten defense. No,
Speaker 1: but I think it will solidify that secondary, and that's
Speaker 1: one step closer to getting where this defense needs to be.
Speaker 1: If there was a flag, if there was a great
Speaker 1: defensive lineman, then go earlier than that. I would pick
Speaker 1: him because I believe going you build your defenses from
Speaker 1: the front to the back. But there's not that guy
Speaker 1: out there. I don't see a guy who can affect
Speaker 1: the pastor and rush the pastor as good as Certain
Speaker 1: can play corner. So for me, I gotta go Certatin
Speaker 1: right there, solidify the secondary, and let's get it rolling
Speaker 1: for there. As long as we do not go offensive
Speaker 1: or first pick, I'll be even if it's not certain.
Speaker 1: As long as we're gonna go offensive, I'll be good.
Speaker 1: We just can't keep chasing this we gotta put up
Speaker 1: thirty five forty five fifty five points a game. When
Speaker 1: our defense is given up thirty five forty five fifty
Speaker 1: five points. We gotta start somewhere on the defensive side
Speaker 1: of the ball. We can't keep pushing it back saying, oh,
Speaker 1: we'll dress the outside of the ball later, we'll dress
Speaker 1: out side of the ball later. We gotta put down
Speaker 1: on that side of the ball. And I think it
Speaker 1: starts with certain So hopefully that's our number, our tenth overall.
Speaker 1: Pick what you think the league. You're preaching to the water,
Speaker 1: You and I are singing the same hymn. No. I
Speaker 1: want to also bring in the name J. C. Horn
Speaker 1: a quarter out of South Carolina. He ran this week.
Speaker 1: He ran a four point three nine. He's six foot one,
Speaker 1: two hundred and five pounds. Six gms were at his workout,
Speaker 1: so basically had a lot of gems who were in
Speaker 1: Tuscaloosa Atabama Pro Day and hopped on over to Columbia,
Speaker 1: South Carolina to check out the Gamecocks pro Day. There
Speaker 1: are some folks who believe that J. C. Horn has
Speaker 1: is a better player. I look at J. C. Horne
Speaker 1: and I think he's good he's good, but I love
Speaker 1: that certain is more certain. You know, I don't need
Speaker 1: super flash right, who could come out here? Right? He's polished,
Speaker 1: He's played on a championship team. We looked at what
Speaker 1: Diggs did last year and I believe overall we say
Speaker 1: you know what for what he was asked to do
Speaker 1: and a messy defense. This guy was your leading interceptor
Speaker 1: and his teammate was better player at Alabama than him.
Speaker 1: I think that could be a solid duo and you
Speaker 1: can at least start someplace. But j C. Horn, your
Speaker 1: thoughts on him. If the Cowboys saying, hey, we like
Speaker 1: this player, better see I gotta watch more film on
Speaker 1: jac Horn. I gotta see where he's at because you
Speaker 1: gotta be see the workout warrior. I'm always nervous about
Speaker 1: a guys that post reads ridiculous numbers and they're like
Speaker 1: workout warriors, but when they get to the field, it
Speaker 1: doesn't really add up. I mean, look at the guy
Speaker 1: from Yukon that came out after Byron. He was just
Speaker 1: I forget it. I don't want to butcher his last name.
Speaker 1: He was like, yeah, he was a workout warrior. Combat
Speaker 1: he had you know, he's running this he's jumping that
Speaker 1: he dook like a Greek guy, and then when he
Speaker 1: got to Hope, he just couldn't play the position. So
Speaker 1: I'm not saying J C. Horne is that So I
Speaker 1: gotta do my more more studying him. As far as
Speaker 1: film is concerned. He could got workout Warriors like that.
Speaker 1: Okay A Cooper knew he's saying he could play. Then, Look,
Speaker 1: I still would go through with Certain because just the
Speaker 1: pedigree alone. He has that dad. He's played ten plus
Speaker 1: years in the NFL. He's had that pedigree since a kid.
Speaker 1: Basically what a defensive back and supposed to do. He
Speaker 1: can play zone, he can play man. He's physical in
Speaker 1: the running game, which a lot of corners aren't nowadays.
Speaker 1: But he will stick his nose in there as a
Speaker 1: corner and he has the eyes for the ball. So
Speaker 1: for me, I'm still going with from still both with
Speaker 1: Certain at ten, but j C. Warn, I mean, he's
Speaker 1: an impressive player. Like I said, I got to do
Speaker 1: more film studdying on him, But I'm still going Certain
Speaker 1: at ten. I think about the great Ozzie Knews him
Speaker 1: and how he ran his drafts in Baltimore, how Ozzie
Speaker 1: was so consistent with his first over his first picks
Speaker 1: in the first round, and it was really simple. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go out here, get a really solid player. We're
Speaker 1: not gonna make a mistake. This is a guy who's
Speaker 1: gonna come in here and he's gonna start. What would
Speaker 1: Ozzie do? What would Ozzie knew him do? If he
Speaker 1: were drafting at ten for the Dallas Cowboys, he would
Speaker 1: take Patrick's ten. He would he would just check off
Speaker 1: all these boxes and it would say, you know, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be a heck of a solid player that we
Speaker 1: can sit up here and plug him in here and
Speaker 1: he can get to a second contract. And that's something
Speaker 1: that I don't know if people think about it though.
Speaker 1: The second contract is really where they may the money,
Speaker 1: and this is where it really pays off of you that, Hey,
Speaker 1: you know, we're now sitting here thinking we're gonna get
Speaker 1: about nine or ten years out of a player. And
Speaker 1: if you can get nine or ten years out of
Speaker 1: a player, then that shows that you drafted well and
Speaker 1: that the player lived up to the standards you want it,
Speaker 1: and you gave him a second contract. I look at
Speaker 1: Patrick's r tan as a second contract guy Caleb Farley
Speaker 1: was a name linked to the Cowboys the Corner out
Speaker 1: of Virginia Tech. We find out this week that he
Speaker 1: needs a other back surgery. His agent, Drew Rosenhouse, says
Speaker 1: that he will conveniently be ready for training camp at
Speaker 1: the end of July. He also had an ACL that
Speaker 1: he tour while he was in college, so it's a
Speaker 1: second back surgery. There's some people who are saying maybe
Speaker 1: the Cowboys should take him at pick forty four. So
Speaker 1: let's say the Cowboys go they go a different direction.
Speaker 1: Let's say they take an offensive tack or they take
Speaker 1: Kyle Pits, they take an offensive player at ten, and
Speaker 1: then here they are sitting at four four and Caleb
Speaker 1: Farty at Virginia Tech is there, Barry. Would you feel
Speaker 1: comfortable if they pulled the trigger. No, no not because
Speaker 1: to me, like, look if we if he's at forty four, No, no,
Speaker 1: there's no way, because that means we have taking an
Speaker 1: offensive guy in the first round and we just cannot
Speaker 1: do that. But back to the Farley pick, I just
Speaker 1: don't I don't like bringing in gas with injury history.
Speaker 1: He's yet to play a down in the NFL. You
Speaker 1: say you at an acl he's going through a back
Speaker 1: surgery now he plays in the secondary. I don't I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm not comfortable bringing in the guy like that, who's
Speaker 1: been who's that injury history. We just talked about it earlier.
Speaker 1: With this defense I've named Lvee Jalen Smith. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's plenty guys on there who have already had injuries.
Speaker 1: We got it. We're fielding kian O'Neil, Casey's coming off
Speaker 1: and Achilles. We're fielding a defense full of injury prone guys.
Speaker 1: And I just don't want to bring in another injury
Speaker 1: prone raum. Who's gonna miss if there is who's gonna
Speaker 1: miss OTAs and in the early mini camp because he's
Speaker 1: not gonna be ready till training camp. Then you gotta
Speaker 1: get him up the speed he has to get back
Speaker 1: into shape. I just don't see that. I just don't
Speaker 1: like that project right now for the Cowboys. Stick with
Speaker 1: certain at ten. I'm telling he's the answer. Oh, by
Speaker 1: the way, came Leop Farley didn't play last year. He
Speaker 1: sat it out, So to me, it all adds up
Speaker 1: to too many risks. At forty four, the Cowboys have
Speaker 1: tried this thing with injured players before. Look, Sean Lee
Speaker 1: came from Penn State, dealt with injury and dealt with
Speaker 1: him his whole career. They bring in Jalen Smith, who
Speaker 1: basically had to sit out here. Well not basically, he
Speaker 1: had to sit out his whole first year with the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys. I don't believe if I'm Mike, if I'm
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy right now, I don't want to take anybody
Speaker 1: here may potentially had to sit or I can't count on.
Speaker 1: They need walk in starters in the first and second
Speaker 1: round in my opinion, these two picks, and maybe even
Speaker 1: the third round, you need to get people who can
Speaker 1: walk in here and help your football team, especially on defense.
Speaker 1: So Farley is a guy. To me, I'm not just
Speaker 1: taking them out of the first round and the second
Speaker 1: round of the Cowboys. I'm taking them off by board period.
Speaker 1: I just don't want the player right now. To me,
Speaker 1: it's just too much of a risk. And we've seen
Speaker 1: them do this. Bruce Carter came, he had injury history,
Speaker 1: and they just missed on these second round picked so
Speaker 1: many times in my opinion that I just feel like
Speaker 1: you need to just make a solid pick, a solid
Speaker 1: pick somebody who can play. So if it's Greg Newsom
Speaker 1: of Northwest Northwestern, who's there, then take that guy if
Speaker 1: that's where you go. So I was just just my
Speaker 1: take there by the way, Church, I forgot to tell you, man,
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Speaker 1: on that? Uh you get out of here. Um. Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy spoke about and he said, cool. My primary focus
Speaker 1: is the defense. And I did ask him about the
Speaker 1: draft and drafted some defensive players and trying to fix
Speaker 1: this draft. He said, you know what, Yes, I expect
Speaker 1: us to take some players. I also asked Hi about
Speaker 1: his offensive line. Hey, what's the health of Tyrn Smith
Speaker 1: and Lell Collins? He said, Lell Collins was just out
Speaker 1: there working Thursday morning. He said he's coming along fine, said,
Speaker 1: Tyrant Smith is fine. He said they didn't have any
Speaker 1: issues right now with their veteran players coming back from injury,
Speaker 1: so he expects them to be fine. I said, what
Speaker 1: about retooling this old line? He said, we just gotta
Speaker 1: get healthy. He said, if we could just be here,
Speaker 1: then we're good. But it was time go ahead. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, we know they've had issues with
Speaker 1: health from Collins and from Smith. We know that, so
Speaker 1: there we go. Go go ahead. Look, I know you know,
Speaker 1: through the through the years, you know everything kind of
Speaker 1: Tyren Smith has not been able to finish a full
Speaker 1: season in a while. But I believe that's gonna change. Man,
Speaker 1: at least I'm hoping it's gonna change. This is a
Speaker 1: guy he went down earlier in the season. He's had
Speaker 1: the whole whole season, whole off season to get back, right,
Speaker 1: McCarthy saying he's in great moods. You've seen him. He
Speaker 1: posted something about being in great spirits a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks ago. So I feel like he's gonna come back,
Speaker 1: and hopefully we get that that old Tyren Smith that
Speaker 1: can play sixteen, that can play the whole thing, because
Speaker 1: if we have him there, if we have our two
Speaker 1: tackles on an outside protecting, I feel like that opens
Speaker 1: up an officer a lot, gets Dak Prescott a hell
Speaker 1: of a more a lot more time back there to
Speaker 1: do damage, and I think it benefits the whole team.
Speaker 1: But they gotta stay healthy, and I think this is
Speaker 1: the year that they could play all sixteen. I go
Speaker 1: back to what we said to Danny, you pray when
Speaker 1: he's been on the show. Who Danny, it's an offensive
Speaker 1: tackle a ten And I'm like the Cowboys drafted a tackle.
Speaker 1: I'm just not for the Cowboys drafting and tackle in
Speaker 1: the first round if you want to use one later on,
Speaker 1: here go ahead. The Cowboys found third round picks and
Speaker 1: did well in their offensive lines. I like to add
Speaker 1: Eric Williams, who was an All Pro player and all
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl team. So that's what I'm looking at.
Speaker 1: Do it later on, David Battieri fantastic tackle with the
Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers is a fourth round pick. You can
Speaker 1: find some guys and laid rounds and do it there.
Speaker 1: But this first round, second round, I think he got
Speaker 1: addressed his defense. Man, I really do, dude. We're out
Speaker 1: of time, man, I told you this hour already by here.
Speaker 1: It is flown by here man, So good stuff. Church, Well,
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