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Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast would where the Jets new uniforms.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast.

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Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hansis, and I've joined in a

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Speaker 1: room filled with heroes, Mark Sessler, Chris Westling, and Greg Rosetal.

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Speaker 1: What is up? Boys? Hey? Dan? Wow? What a day?

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Speaker 1: I do? I do not the morning. The people listening

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Speaker 1: to this will have note will not be affected in

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Speaker 1: any way. But it is I am approximating this nineties

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Speaker 1: seven degree. It is a bick room yoga session in

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Speaker 1: this studio right now. It is a hot yoga is

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Speaker 1: fanning the papers in his face. But I'm not alone

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Speaker 1: the vapors. But You're the only one doing the paper thing.

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Speaker 1: I had paper. No one else seems to have any

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Speaker 1: around them. Um funny, you should talk about the hot

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Speaker 1: because hot seat and the New York Jets and it

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Speaker 1: got so hot somebody burned. I have a missive to read, kid.

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Speaker 1: I can't believe I'm reading this This morning. I informed

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Speaker 1: Mike that he was being relieved of his duties as

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Speaker 1: general manager of the team, effective immediately. Mike mcagnet helped

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Speaker 1: to execute the strategic vision of the organization during the

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Speaker 1: last four seasons and especially the last few months. However,

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Speaker 1: I came to the decision to make a change after

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Speaker 1: much thought and a careful assessment of what would be

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Speaker 1: in the best long term interests of the New York Jets.

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Speaker 1: And it comes on and on Chairman and CEO, Christopher Johnson.

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Speaker 1: I thought that was you making the statement dan Is

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Speaker 1: released above his duties, extensive powers. We were Ricky and

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Speaker 1: I and you know, inappropriate Erica. Um, we were looking

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Speaker 1: from different some different in house music, and that New

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Speaker 1: York song popped up and we quite liked it. And

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Speaker 1: I hear it again part where it's a great call,

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Speaker 1: like Adam Gates, it's your team now, and he like

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Speaker 1: steps onto the busy New York streets with like with

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Speaker 1: like a coach, like slung over his back, whistle in

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Speaker 1: the background exactly like a pretty girl kisses him on

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Speaker 1: the cheek and he does like a spin. Um. But

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Speaker 1: when Eric and I was sitting at Erica's computer when

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Speaker 1: we found that episode, let's play that, like when something

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Speaker 1: good's happening with the Jets, well whatever, it's not a

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Speaker 1: good thing. The Jets fire. Mike mccagnell, just get right

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Speaker 1: into We got a lot to get to today. UM,

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Speaker 1: including the Dalton Scale, one of our favorite UM annual

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Speaker 1: episodes where we find out who truly is the prime

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Speaker 1: meridian of NFL quarterbacks. Uh, and kind of breakdown where

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Speaker 1: we are at as is the NFL at the QB position.

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Speaker 1: But yes, the Jets fire their general manager on Wednesday morning.

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Speaker 1: Uh in a shocking move. They also get rid of

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Speaker 1: their vice president of football Operations. I believe was that

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Speaker 1: was that the title UM Personnel and Pro Personnel Hyman Dinger.

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Speaker 1: So this was in in terms of power struggles. I

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Speaker 1: guess we could start here in terms of power struggles

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Speaker 1: Adam Gaze v. Mike mccagnan. This would be the UM

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Speaker 1: Mike Tyson v. Michael Spinks of power struggles. It was fierce.

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Speaker 1: It was over in thirty seconds, and mccagnan is on

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Speaker 1: the street, and um we we talked about this on

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Speaker 1: NFL Network, but I'll repeat it here that I just

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Speaker 1: found it kind of funny. I'm a if you know

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Speaker 1: our show and you and you know me because I

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Speaker 1: talk about things. UM My my fan nature was I'm

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Speaker 1: a Yankees fan and I'm happy. I'm lucky for that.

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Speaker 1: I'm also a Jets fan. And a Knicks fan, and

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Speaker 1: watching the draft lottery yesterday with the Knicks where they

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Speaker 1: got into the final four and this whole Zion Williamson,

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Speaker 1: this duke phenomen They got so close, they end up

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Speaker 1: getting the number three pick and it's a huge letdown

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Speaker 1: for the entire city. And now the next morning, the Jets,

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Speaker 1: just when they seem to maybe be be getting out

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Speaker 1: of their way as an organization, um, they do this

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Speaker 1: totally bizarre move West And well, I'm gonna start with

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Speaker 1: you on this, because to get rid of mcagnet now

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Speaker 1: in the middle of May, after free agency, after the draft, um,

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Speaker 1: it's just not a good look. And there is there

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Speaker 1: are positive ways to spin it if you want, and

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Speaker 1: I am an optimistic Jets fan and there are not

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Speaker 1: many of me, and I will share some of those takes.

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Speaker 1: But in terms of how surprising and shocking this move was,

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Speaker 1: the timing stands out right right. And I understand the

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Speaker 1: point that all that matters is the coach and the

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Speaker 1: that's the bottom line. But the timing, to me, why

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Speaker 1: Why did you allow him to spend over a hundred

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Speaker 1: lead your draft if he's not a good general manager. Well,

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Speaker 1: they they hadn't reached that conclusion yet, or they hadn't

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Speaker 1: acting owner that the relationship between Gays and mcagnan was untenable,

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Speaker 1: which you know are reporters Ian Rappaport and Mike Carefolo

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Speaker 1: just creates a whole and and I get getting rid

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Speaker 1: of him after the draft. That's that's actually pretty traditional

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Speaker 1: when you get rid of some personnel people, but doing

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Speaker 1: it after the free agency period is crazy. Because of

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Speaker 1: all of these stories that came up today, by far,

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Speaker 1: that Adam Gates really wasn't on board with Levan Bell

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Speaker 1: to that. For now, Gaze is acting GM and maybe

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Speaker 1: that doesn't mean much. They'll have someone in there soon

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Speaker 1: enough that works with Gaye, but his two of his

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Speaker 1: the coach by the way, and so that's just it's

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Speaker 1: just like adding a lot to headlock. But I don't

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Speaker 1: hate this for the Jets. I can get the idea

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Speaker 1: that they fired someone else. It kind of reminds me

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Speaker 1: we did an emergency broadcast for the Browns firing Hugh Jackson, Like, oh,

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Speaker 1: it's another terrible moment, is it? You actually remove something

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Speaker 1: that wasn't helping your team. It's just that it's another

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Speaker 1: transaction at a weird time, doesn't it doesn't hold on.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's the wrong thing here because they

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Speaker 1: they talk about Christopher Johnson since the Senior Bowl. There

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Speaker 1: were issues between mcagnet and Gaze. The owner has the

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Speaker 1: privilege of observing a relationship like in any business, and

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Speaker 1: when two people of power are not getting along, that's

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Speaker 1: not what they planned. But you should have seen that

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Speaker 1: when you hired him. You should have made that that's fine.

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Speaker 1: Should have had him a line. That's the problem that

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Speaker 1: bad organizations don't have the GM. But my point is

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Speaker 1: They've already been like six or seven reports about the

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Speaker 1: January three. Where those reports are coming from, I mean,

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Speaker 1: the guy who am cases camp, the guy who has

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Speaker 1: the power is there, it's not. I don't think it's

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Speaker 1: unfair to say that more than just about any head

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Speaker 1: follow people fall by the wayside and jobs are lost.

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Speaker 1: The head scratcher is they Obviously, clearly when you now

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Speaker 1: take a macro viewpoint of it, they knew they wanted

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Speaker 1: to move on from Todd Bowls. They decided to keep

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Speaker 1: mccagnet involved, But obviously they weren't in love with him,

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Speaker 1: because they wouldn't have got jumped off board so quickly

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Speaker 1: to your point, Mark, I agree with the idea of

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Speaker 1: But what makes what makes for a bad look and

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Speaker 1: it just to me it is what it is is

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Speaker 1: you you make that decision optics wise, it's bad after

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Speaker 1: you let that same guy who allowed to stay mccagnet

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Speaker 1: the draft moves he did. And then this is I guess,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if this is just a leaky ship

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Speaker 1: thought that C. J. Mosley Um, who shattered the inside

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Speaker 1: linebacker market at seventeen million a year, should only have

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Speaker 1: made about thirteen million Adam Gay. Adam Gaze did not

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Speaker 1: think that Levan Bell was worth the money that he

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Speaker 1: But Gates wanted Matt Paradise the center, and that he

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Speaker 1: That's all out there, public record, and I just feel

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Speaker 1: like that's not necessarily healthy organizationally for all this stuff

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Speaker 1: to be out on the table. I would say this too,

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Speaker 1: like this was a an offseason where the Jets could

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Speaker 1: go out and spend the money. You weren't going to

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Speaker 1: But Cagne kind of did it to save his job.

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Speaker 1: He did it, but maybe it was right or wrong.

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Speaker 1: But like I don't I didn't see a lot of

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Speaker 1: ton of cat money until it's like, oh suddenly someone

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Speaker 1: else didn't like the way that mcagnet operated. I I

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Speaker 1: think C. G. Mosley was paid too much, but that's

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Speaker 1: the way the market operated. That's problematic when his coach

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Speaker 1: problematic that the Jets. Here here's how it comes out

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Speaker 1: in the watch. The Jets ownership has clearly sided with

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Speaker 1: Because mcagney did some good things right and some things

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Speaker 1: clearly wrong. But what is gate? Why do we care

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Speaker 1: what case things? You should have paid C. J. Mosley

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Speaker 1: because he's running the France I'm just saying, from a

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Speaker 1: knowledge standpoint, do I think that Gas knows more about

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Speaker 1: because I'm just saying, we don't know that, because you know,

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Speaker 1: who cares to C J. Mosley? Who's gonna have to

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Speaker 1: play for this guy? And and it also creates a

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Speaker 1: when coaches and gms aren't aligned, there's problems because then

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Speaker 1: it's like, well, whose responsibility was if if Mosley turns

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Speaker 1: out to be a bad signing. Now it's like, well,

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Speaker 1: Gaese actually didn't really want them necessarily that much. And

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Speaker 1: it's and it gets messy, and that's why you gotta

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Speaker 1: make the choice in January, which I don't think anyone

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Speaker 1: would have argued with. Mike mccagan was one of the

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Speaker 1: least successful general managers in the league thirty one teams

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Speaker 1: UH one at least six games in the season over

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Speaker 1: the last three years. The other team was the Jets.

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Speaker 1: You know, they they signed Mosley in Bell because they

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Speaker 1: have big roster holes. They still have big roster holes

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Speaker 1: in some places in terms of the past rush uh,

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Speaker 1: had a good offseason, but like they look better. It's

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Speaker 1: it's just so here's the here's the positive spin on it.

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Speaker 1: I still don't think from where the team is right

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Speaker 1: now compared to last year or the year before, the

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Speaker 1: sky is not falling. It's a better roster, it's improved.

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Speaker 1: And then they didn't lose any of that today and

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Speaker 1: and what what they what they gain as well as

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Speaker 1: the potential to upgrade their personnel department. And we talked

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Speaker 1: feel like in this situation, Ian is Adam Gaze and uh,

428
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Speaker 1: Mike Carapolis, Joe Douglass. He came into this organization knowing

429
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Speaker 1: where he stood, has a good relationship and he's good

430
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Speaker 1: with it. And yeah, but now he's up start breaking

431
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Speaker 1: news that Ian wanted to break during the season. So

432
00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,120
Speaker 1: you know, these things don't these little perfect things don't

433
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:07,280
Speaker 1: last forever. And continuing to just tie things together. You

434
00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 1: guys have and it's fair questions about whether Adam Gaze

435
00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,280
Speaker 1: can handle or deserves all that power. I have questions

436
00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,960
Speaker 1: about whether Bill Belichick can handle this and whether he

437
00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,520
Speaker 1: deserves it, whether he's earned it. He's sort of like

438
00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:22,520
Speaker 1: a sixty five year old DeNiro. It's like, what's what's

439
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:24,600
Speaker 1: left for I need to start building up and start

440
00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:26,800
Speaker 1: mailed in in, No, he needs he needs to start

441
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:29,760
Speaker 1: creating motivation. That's my theory that they've they've earned some

442
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,480
Speaker 1: mail in jobs, They've earned a little Meet the Parents too.

443
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,480
Speaker 1: I feel like this is your now, like Meet the

444
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,560
Speaker 1: Fokker's era Patriots. Yeah, you've moved on from Meet the

445
00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,960
Speaker 1: Little the original. Yeah, successful box office, no one really

446
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,120
Speaker 1: respects it, but you know it's fine, and I don't

447
00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,480
Speaker 1: want to gloss over it. I know I mentioned it,

448
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:52,399
Speaker 1: but Daniel Jeremiah under consideration for role and Jets front off.

449
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:56,359
Speaker 1: That's from Schefter ESPN is Adam Schefter's own very Of course,

450
00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,480
Speaker 1: the problem for you, I know that you and your

451
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 1: know as the sugar plums are dancing above your head.

452
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:03,880
Speaker 1: You think that you have this sort of bee line

453
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 1: into Jets, into the Jets brain. He will never text

454
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 1: you back ever again the minute he hit um listen,

455
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 1: you have your sparrows of the Browns. Me and DJ

456
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:19,240
Speaker 1: are you know, bitter enemies. But perhaps if he takes

457
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,120
Speaker 1: the Jets job, will be able to smooth that all over,

458
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,400
Speaker 1: and and and and we'll see what happens. I would

459
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,680
Speaker 1: you feel responsible if he didn't take the Jets job

460
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:31,680
Speaker 1: just out of his uh antipathy to you personally? It's

461
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, I'm thinking about it and it's all hands.

462
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,399
Speaker 1: This relationship kind of makes it weird. I could. I

463
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,680
Speaker 1: would not put it pass. I would not that type

464
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 1: of I mean, he was the Browns, he was in

465
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:43,360
Speaker 1: the Browns front office, didn't have any issues with that.

466
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 1: Not a lot happened during that tenure. What are you

467
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:48,679
Speaker 1: saying that maybe he would be good? I put I

468
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,719
Speaker 1: put that behind my in my relationship with DJ, like

469
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 1: I can look back on the late Eric Manginie era

470
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:56,399
Speaker 1: of the Browns and say, well, he was a scout,

471
00:23:58,119 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 1: get it down a few more things during that that

472
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Speaker 1: I love you, love you, DJ. But if he ever

473
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:03,920
Speaker 1: went to the Jets, it seems like he'd be much

474
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 1: further up there. Yes, yeah, I just the situation to

475
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:11,199
Speaker 1: me isled in the sense that could have done more right.

476
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 1: He's not, like I hope he will with THEO for

477
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 1: nose tackles, that Saginaw Valley or whatever. Well did he

478
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 1: find any eating like bringing dinners in those little sad

479
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:23,359
Speaker 1: microwaves and motels. It's a little bit of a different stitch,

480
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 1: all right, That's what's happening in the news. What the

481
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,639
Speaker 1: other thing you know about the Jets? You know other teams.

482
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 1: Let's drop this on Friday, the Jets. Let's drop in

483
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,640
Speaker 1: the center of the God week, just so everybody could

484
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 1: just obsess over it. It does feel like they are

485
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 1: the latest guy in both New York and both you

486
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 1: think that public relations would thrive and be at the

487
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 1: cutting edge of evolution in New York City, of all places.

488
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 1: But between the Jets and giants. We need a bit

489
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 1: of a refresher course on how to do this. I

490
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,919
Speaker 1: think Jets are like you. You had the back page yesterday,

491
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 1: not anymore, but you starting to get cozy with Daniel Jones.

492
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,159
Speaker 1: Let us jump in and take the stay storyline is

493
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,920
Speaker 1: the Nixon Jets, two star cross New York franchises, battling

494
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 1: out to see who could be saddest. This is a

495
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 1: great song. You know somebody wrote that song? What how

496
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 1: much money does that leads singer? If there was a

497
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 1: lead singer in that, there's a singer. I don't know

498
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:25,399
Speaker 1: if there was like a woman and a man like

499
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 1: kind of going back to back or something, but I

500
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,119
Speaker 1: don't know that's in our I'm always fascinated by our

501
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 1: internal um library here at NFL. And then you listen

502
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 1: to these songs and that's a ridiculous song, right, How

503
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 1: did they not make it big? Someone sat down at

504
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 1: a table and wrote that song? Well not, it didn't

505
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,159
Speaker 1: take it didn't take a long time to sit at

506
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Speaker 1: the table. Here we are in New York City, like

507
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,639
Speaker 1: over and over and over whatever the words were. I

508
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:53,399
Speaker 1: just know there seems to be no like third or

509
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,439
Speaker 1: fourth stanza. There seven Michael J. Fox, though, is on

510
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,879
Speaker 1: top of the world. All right, let's get into it.

511
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's a tradition like no other. Eat it um,

512
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 1: jim nance. Because I'm taking your catchphrase. It's not about

513
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 1: the masters anymore. It's about the Dalton scale. Yes, what

514
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 1: is the Dalton Scale. I'm not gonna give a full explanation.

515
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 1: Chris Westling is Andy Dalton is the primary Indian of

516
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:29,439
Speaker 1: NFL quarterbacks. He represents quarterback purgatory. If you are ranked

517
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 1: below Andy Dalton, your franchise needs a quarterback. If you

518
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:37,640
Speaker 1: ranked above Andy Dalton, you're in ship shape. Everything's figured out.

519
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 1: You're good to go to keep um. Great explanation, west

520
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,679
Speaker 1: And what we did each of us, the four of

521
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 1: us basically put together something approximating a power rankings of quarterbacks.

522
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:53,199
Speaker 1: But within um, everyone maybe has their own kind of factors.

523
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 1: But like franchise quarterback, right Greg the guy, Yeah, the

524
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 1: guy you'd want your guy, a guy you want your organization.

525
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 1: You factor in all sorts of things, experience, age, potential. Uh,

526
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: that's when the list becomes very subjective. But we all

527
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 1: did it about thirty quarterbacks and Ricky because this has

528
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 1: become you know, we've done enough shows now we've done

529
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 1: about a thousand shows that we really do have traditions

530
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 1: like none other. UM, And I had I keep Ricky

531
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: on her toes sometimes. You know, she's got a good job.

532
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:27,199
Speaker 1: She's she's very busy. She did a tremendous job with

533
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 1: our behind the around the NFL, UM if you check

534
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 1: that out on Twitter. But I kept on her toes

535
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:34,360
Speaker 1: on a Tuesday and I slacked and I said, hey,

536
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 1: you want to check out our past episodes of the

537
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,199
Speaker 1: Dalton Scale and there have been this will be the fourth,

538
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 1: and let us know. I wanted to know anything interesting

539
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 1: and also most importantly, who has been? Who did we

540
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 1: decide each year was the primary radiant of NFL quarterbacks?

541
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 1: Because I knew there was maybe some Andy wasn't there

542
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 1: all three years? And what did you find? Ricky? Well?

543
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 1: In sixteen, UM, both Greg and West were saying that they,

544
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: hands down, always take Blake Bortles over Matt Ryan. Yeah

545
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 1: that's insane. We are crazy. Yeah that was really I mean,

546
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 1: you guy, we have to have I liked him too.

547
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 1: I'll throw myself in that, right, do we have the

548
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,159
Speaker 1: how do we sound? Or we have to trust? I

549
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 1: trust I trust on that one. I mean, I trust

550
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:34,159
Speaker 1: saying that would would like to good research, Yeah myself. Immediately,

551
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,919
Speaker 1: you guys put Alex Smith um as the as the

552
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 1: Dalton line the Smiths scale essentially, So that was yeah,

553
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 1: that was the year where Dalton's coming off of a

554
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 1: night year, which was fair to Dalton. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

555
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 1: because the Dalton scales really moves up and down. He

556
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 1: can move up and down, but he's always kind of

557
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: the Primarenian where if you're better than him than you

558
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: are a truth, you know. And West I've always dan

559
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: struggled and I've struggled, but finally figured it out yesterday.

560
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: Um why I've struggled with it for some reason in

561
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 1: my brain and again goes back to math. I for

562
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 1: some reason was looking at Dalton as the meme or

563
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 1: like the average point and there is a he if

564
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: he's in the middle, everyone below, and but that's not

565
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 1: the case. There could be five less than him everyone

566
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: else about. And what we're seeing now in the NFL,

567
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 1: We're gonna get to it. There seems to be more

568
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 1: answers or team or what we see as answers a

569
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: quarterback than in recent years. He's not the mean now

570
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 1: The beauty of this scale is that it's truly reflective

571
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 1: of quarterback play in the NFL. He could be ranked

572
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 1: fourteen one year and still be the prime Ridian, and

573
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 1: the next year be ranked and still be the prime Ridy.

574
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, that's yeah, clear, just like how Blake

575
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 1: Bortles is clearly a franchise quarter Erica. Um, well, you

576
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 1: guys were talking about the sun setting and rising, about

577
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame quarterbacks and if you couldn't understand, like

578
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 1: you couldn't be friends with someone that didn't understood understand

579
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 1: where the sun. Jared Goff from Hard Knocks didn't understand that,

580
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 1: according to the way that we situate ourselves in the States,

581
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 1: the sun rises over the east. Yeah, you guys ranked,

582
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: you know, sun setting and rising for a very long

583
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: time in UM seventeen, it sounds yes. And also there

584
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 1: was a bet about Sam Bradford m becoming the Super

585
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 1: Bowl m v P and if that happened, Dan, you

586
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 1: would have to absorb Greg's car payments. And and then

587
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 1: you and then you talked about Greg was like I'll

588
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 1: take you up on that, and you know, you know

589
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 1: you picked the wrong You pick the wrong guy because

590
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 1: Greg said he would actually go after you for the

591
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: car payment if Sam Bradford got the m v P.

592
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm clear. I feel like I'm Trent Richards. Well,

593
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: then you said you'd have to take them out for

594
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 1: like a dateline segment, and you wouldn't be you know, Greg,

595
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 1: you'd be dead, you'd have to family. Yeah, so that

596
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 1: that is in, you know, in writing, as they said,

597
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 1: we haven't changed much over there, you know, to be

598
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: even better than Erica like re telling us this is

599
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: hearing those clips. I thought she brought the proper person.

600
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 1: I enjoyed the as as opposed to throwing it. Hearing

601
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: Ricky how she interpreted what I like. Yeah. Also I

602
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: imagine she like took eighteen minutes of dialogue down to

603
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 1: an acceptable sentence or two. Yeah. And also at four

604
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 1: seventeen pm yesterday, Dan Hansas, Hey, just to be clear,

605
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 1: you don't need to cut anything from those Dalton episodes.

606
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 1: Oh wow. Also I wanted Ricky involved in the show

607
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: talking you know, Greg. Also shut her up now. Yeah,

608
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: I'm getting married this weekend. If I had to hear

609
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: myself say that about Blake Bordles, I might not would

610
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 1: be tough. I I can't imagine me saying that, but

611
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: I really can't imagine West being that that was that into.

612
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 1: I didn't want her to be cherry picking things to

613
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: make us all look bad because we've all had bed.

614
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: He had that second year where we kind of we were.

615
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: I was convinced, I have an ugly ranking out there

616
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: where he's, yeah, he's above some good. But if you

617
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: want to if you want to cut that as a

618
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: video clip to put on social treated as the present

619
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 1: from right now? All right, how do we want to

620
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 1: dive into this? Okay? So? Um so it was insummation.

621
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: It was Andy Dalton the first time we did the exercise,

622
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: Alex Smith, the second Andy Dalton, the third year we

623
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: did it, so eighteen and now the fourth year. Um

624
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: so we're trying to figure out what to be. Dalton

625
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 1: is the clearest. He's he's the guy, because I don't

626
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 1: think he's to me. Alex Smith made sense at the time,

627
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 1: but he's gone now and Dalton really works. It's kind

628
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 1: of amazing that he still works six years because we've

629
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 1: follwing down it on the show what for four or

630
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: five years, but I feel like we've been talking about

631
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 1: it even longer than that I also works because the

632
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 1: Bengals have not moved on from him. If he suddenly

633
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 1: were on his third team, Andy Dalton sort of proved

634
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: himself to be in a different cat. It's perfect for

635
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 1: this seg because Cincinnati, above any other franchise, does not

636
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: like to move on from things, so it allows us

637
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 1: to keep that steady hand behind. The entire premise rises

638
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 1: and falls with the talent around him look pretty good

639
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: in September last year, some things, people start getting injured.

640
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 1: Then he fell and he was okay. He was He

641
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 1: was plenty of quarterbacks worse. And guess what. There's been

642
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: some talk on this podcast in the last few weeks

643
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: that Cincinnati could be a surprising team because there is

644
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 1: some talent in the building and a fresh start offensive

645
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: philosophy was Zach Taylor. Perhaps Dalton rises a little bit,

646
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 1: but it won't change that he is. It would be

647
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 1: very hard. He would have to have a two thousand

648
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: and fifteen type season again. But maybe even then we've

649
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 1: learned the lesson that it does. That doesn't necessarily make

650
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 1: him more of a franchise answer. It just means Cincinnati

651
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: was a better team. Does this to Dan's point about

652
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: the fact that we finally look around the league, there's

653
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 1: only one or two teams or three teams with quarterback issues.

654
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: Has anyone ever had Andy Dalton in their personal list

655
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,959
Speaker 1: lower than he is this year? He is lower than

656
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: he's ever been for me by a quite a bit. Well,

657
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: who who, Let's throw out who are the toughest guys

658
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 1: to you to decide whether they're above or below Andy Dalton? Um?

659
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: For me it would be I'll tell you the guys

660
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 1: that were um around him, that sandwiched him, um underneath him.

661
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 1: I have Trabinsky and Winston directly underneath him in that order.

662
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 1: Above him, I have Derek Carr, and then uh I

663
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 1: have I have the second year quarterbacks here. But I

664
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: was little. I put Donald ahead of a Car just

665
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: because obviously I believe Donald, and I think he is

666
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: a franchise answer um and I think a lot of

667
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: people agree with that. But also you haven't seen a lot.

668
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 1: He's thirteen starts. But I still would put him above

669
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: Dalton for this exercise. So I have Donald Carr right

670
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: above him, Winston Troubinsky right below him. Car is a

671
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 1: really interesting one. I would rather have Andy Dalton than him,

672
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: So I guess to me, that answer would be, you

673
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 1: know that he that you would be maybe looking for

674
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: another quarterback if you have Derek Carr, because I think

675
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton I trust more a long term. I had

676
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: Winston right below, as you said, Doak, I really struggled

677
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 1: with and maybe I'm the only one in this room

678
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: that thinks he's right around there. No, I had I

679
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: have Doc as the closest quarterback to Andy Dorton. Yeah,

680
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 1: I I had him right below, and then I think

681
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 1: I just went wimped out and put him one spot

682
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 1: one spot ahead. And Jimmy g is another interesting one

683
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: right there, and that that's a sample size thing that

684
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 1: we haven't seen it too much. But but Doc is

685
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 1: an interesting question. I know the Cowboys aren't asking that question.

686
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 1: The numbers would say we shouldn't be asking that question.

687
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: So maybe my eyes are lying to me. He's pretty young,

688
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: and he does a lot of good things. Well, but

689
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,919
Speaker 1: I'm not so sure he's like a great long term

690
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,479
Speaker 1: and well, I'll let I'll let well, I'll go I'm less,

691
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 1: I'll go to I'll go to West And then you, okay,

692
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 1: I don't feel like you're why you're saving me for

693
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,879
Speaker 1: the last on West's exercise. But go ahead, what let's

694
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 1: do the sandwich? Um around Dalton? Who do you have?

695
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,760
Speaker 1: Two above Dalton and two below? So I made a

696
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: list of who I would rather have for two thousand

697
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: nineteen alone, and then I made a separate I would

698
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: rather have on my raw for the next few years.

699
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: And on both of those lists, the guys right around

700
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 1: Dalton or Dak Prescott, Mitchell Robinski, and Marcus Mariota. On

701
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: both lists, what about you, Mark? I have Andy Dalton

702
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 1: just above Marcus Mariotta and Jamis Winston, and I have

703
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: him below. And this is because I'm thinking to myself

704
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: as a team builder, and I definitely overinflated Sam Donald,

705
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: for instance, because if I'm starting the team, I believe

706
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 1: in the promise of Sam Donald. I jacked him up

707
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: above Andy Dalton. I have any Dalton just below Josh

708
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,760
Speaker 1: Rosen and Joe Flacco, and I for me, because Joe Flacco,

709
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 1: to me, is someone that you cannot cling to for

710
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: more than one more season. Those guys are below Andy Dalton.

711
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: They're there. I have Flacco essentially almost tied with Dalton,

712
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 1: but just above Andy Dalton. Derek Carr right in that

713
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: world too. The way I look at it is is

714
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: more of Wes's second list, which is kind of just

715
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,359
Speaker 1: who I would want long term for for the most part,

716
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 1: That's what I'm thinking, And to meet Robinsky hasn't proven it,

717
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: I'd be I'd be worried if if Robinsky was my quarterback,

718
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,399
Speaker 1: I'd still be looking for other quarterbacks. Like, I don't

719
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,800
Speaker 1: know ways to look at that. He also hasn't proven

720
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,919
Speaker 1: to be a failure absolutely, But I guess I'm going

721
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 1: a little bit with the eye test whatever I thought

722
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,399
Speaker 1: going in and everything that if I had to pick

723
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 1: right now, who's going to have the bit in the

724
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 1: better next couple of seasons. Just in terms of who

725
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 1: I think is a better player, I think it's Dalton.

726
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 1: Like I I think if you put Dalton in that

727
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 1: Bears offense, for instance, he would be doing some good things.

728
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: And Mariota and Trabisky to me, were maybe the two

729
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: toughest young guys of like I don't know, I haven't

730
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 1: seen it yet. I haven't seen even that they're gonna

731
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 1: get to that point where they're the prime meridian where

732
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 1: do you right there too? Just above them? But but

733
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: I had him right below I have eight guys beneath Dalton.

734
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,720
Speaker 1: I took Lamar Jackson out of the equation. He's obviously,

735
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: to me a guy promise, but he only had eight

736
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 1: seven starts last year. Um. But the guys below um

737
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: Dalton for me. So by the logic of this exercise,

738
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 1: these guys are guys I do not view as answers

739
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 1: as franchise quarterbacks, UM Winston, Trobiscue. I said, Josh Allen.

740
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 1: He's a guy that I don't know about yet, and

741
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:15,839
Speaker 1: he's a guy that can move up. But right now

742
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: I have him below Eli Flacco, Mariota Rosen, and then uh,

743
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: I throw case Keenum on there, but I don't know.

744
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 1: I'll give you mine real quick. I had Dalton at

745
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 1: twenty four out of twenty nine, although again sort of

746
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 1: tied with Joe Flacco. But I have a Dalton thing

747
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: where if I went in, if the Bengals hired me,

748
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 1: the first thing I would do was get new life

749
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: at quarterback. I don't care how average or a little

750
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 1: bit above average he tends to be. I guess my

751
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: thing is that when is the last time Flacco had

752
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: a better season than Dalton. I think Flacco is I

753
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 1: trust Flacco more than Dalton, but I don't Flacco was

754
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,800
Speaker 1: was twenty three right above Dalton. So that's what's the difference. Below.

755
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 1: I had Martin Mariotta, Winston, Josh Allen, Eli Manning, and

756
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: I threw case Keenum in there just in case he's

757
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: a I know you're you've spoken possibly about Josh Rosen,

758
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: but like, what did he do to be I have

759
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: him two spots above Dalton and I and I take him.

760
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:12,879
Speaker 1: I think that Rosen to me if I'm talking about

761
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 1: if I were starting a team. Rosen is young. He

762
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:16,959
Speaker 1: was in the one of the worst situations of rookie

763
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 1: quarterbacks ever been in last year he did some really

764
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 1: good stuff, and I see I would take a shot

765
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 1: on him. Two spots about me and adult not twelve,

766
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: not fourteen. So everyone else other than me had Car

767
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 1: above by a few spots. What was your thought process there?

768
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: I think cars maybe one good year. The toughest guy

769
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: to evaluate because I can see why the Raiders probably agree.

770
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: You can see why physically and certain plays and some

771
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: throws he makes, the variety of throws. He can make

772
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 1: white people get excited by him. But I don't know.

773
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 1: I want to get blocked again. It's probably happening, but

774
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: I I don't know. I haven't seen that kind of

775
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 1: natural yea great guy, great great human, but I haven't

776
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 1: seen the natch like the you know, there's something about

777
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,720
Speaker 1: quarterback play that is almost indefinable of just like running

778
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 1: a team, seeing the field and making the right throw.

779
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 1: And I'm no tutor, but I don't know if he's

780
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 1: shown that in five years that he's gonna be in

781
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 1: it to win it like that. His highs have been

782
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: higher than Dalton's and his lows have been lower, and

783
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: most of his career has been lows to this point.

784
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 1: It's interesting they both I believe it was was at

785
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 1: the same season two thousand fifteen, or is either, but

786
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 1: cars dalton year was similar, but a year later where

787
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: he rose. He was an m VP candidate. Then he

788
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 1: got hurt and it ruined his season and the and

789
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 1: his team season. Same thing happened to Dalton. Both those

790
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 1: guys are chasing those years ever since. So it makes

791
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:44,760
Speaker 1: sense that where they are, we all are in agreement

792
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:49,839
Speaker 1: that they're basically like buddies here is Yeah, Yeah, they're

793
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: they're linked, and I think it's huge years. It's a

794
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: huge year for both of them. Adam Shine on our

795
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: website revealed this week or last week that he voted

796
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,320
Speaker 1: Derek Carr for m v P. He has an m

797
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: v P vote. He got Adam Shines m v P vote. Well,

798
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 1: there are a lot of Car fans that season he

799
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 1: voted for that on Cars Pro Football Reference page vote.

800
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:18,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he got a couple and people

801
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,879
Speaker 1: were wondering who voted for Derek Carton. Now we know one,

802
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 1: he had a very nice year. He had a great

803
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 1: year that year. And then what he broke his thumb? No,

804
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: that was adult. I got him confused his leg A

805
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of his a lot of his

806
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 1: best moments to his credit or come back fourth quarter comebacks?

807
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:36,800
Speaker 1: Is that something that that can you know consistently happened

808
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 1: year after year. I think they've put enough around him

809
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 1: that will get a good read on who he is

810
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 1: as a quarterback this year. Uh, you would hope the

811
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 1: same would be for Dak and Jimmy g Why Why

812
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: West did you have Dack so close? I'm almost surprised

813
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 1: to hear that because I think of you as a

814
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: a Dack believer. Why did I have Dak? Dalton is

815
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: a pretty good veteran NFL quarterback um Dak has not

816
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 1: proven to be. He's not carrying an offense. He's similar

817
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:06,240
Speaker 1: to Dalton into me to use like the DJ and Bucky.

818
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 1: He's a trailer, not a truck. He's not pulling the

819
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: load along for the ride. Zeke's pulling that load. He's

820
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: been pulling that load since he came into the That's

821
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 1: certainly that's not Dax offense. That's a kind of knowledge.

822
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 1: Uh he should DJ should be using in that interview

823
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,399
Speaker 1: with Chris Johnson, I'm a trailer, not a truck. Wait,

824
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: what is that? He's a truck. I'm a truck, not

825
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 1: a trailer. And then Adam Gatees would immediately fire him.

826
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 1: Zeke's the only trailers in this building. DJ is the

827
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 1: true I'm the truck. Yeah, I just I have not

828
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 1: seen like dek Presscott left that offense on his shoulders.

829
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 1: Adam Gas does not want a truck in that building. Well,

830
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 1: then that certainly puts him in Andy Dalton territory, because

831
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 1: when I look at Andy Dalton, I feel like you

832
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 1: could put him on any team in the league and

833
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:49,240
Speaker 1: he's not gonna make any team better. I was interesting

834
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 1: one to me. I disagree with that. I think, okay,

835
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:53,280
Speaker 1: he if he went, if he went to the Dolphins,

836
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 1: he can make he might be better than me. I

837
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 1: think you can make the Titans better right now. I

838
00:42:58,080 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: think he would make the Bears better right now. That's

839
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,320
Speaker 1: I have him. I have him ahead of those guys.

840
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: Nick Foles was another one that I didn't know exactly

841
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 1: what to do with. You haven't seen a ton. I

842
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: had him below Andy Dalton as well. That's mostly sample size,

843
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:12,959
Speaker 1: but well, he had one. Even though I really liked

844
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 1: the signing. To me, I I don't know if he's

845
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,760
Speaker 1: I'm really surprised that you have him because not only

846
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 1: does he have the of course storied Super Bowl run

847
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 1: and had another nice playoff run last year, he also

848
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: did have that season with the Rams. Who was it

849
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 1: feels so longer, but the year he played a season

850
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 1: there and he's he's shown he could stay be. The

851
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 1: best test of a quarterback is a sixteen game season.

852
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: I mean that disagree with you. That's that's the best evaluation,

853
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: and the the guys who are really good can survive

854
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 1: the ups and downs of multiple sixteen game seasons and

855
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:49,879
Speaker 1: folds as brilliant as I think he's been. I guess

856
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 1: I need to see one one more full season from him.

857
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 1: For anything from Andy Dalton, yeah, I think if you

858
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: take fulls Dalton and Drabinsky, this is I think I've

859
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: seen a lot from Dalton that I know who he is.

860
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 1: I mean, fine, in like Week six, he'll have a nice,

861
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 1: he'll nice productive game, But come on, has come has

862
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 1: come up as big as you could possibly want a

863
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:12,359
Speaker 1: quarterback to come. In the playoffs, Dalton has been an

864
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:16,760
Speaker 1: abject failure in the playoffs, And to me, the interesting

865
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 1: one is him versus Trabinsky on the Bears. Because the

866
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 1: Bears defense is good enough that I think you could

867
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: win a super Bowl with Andy Dalton. That's what I'm saying,

868
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: which is good enough, and the surrounding town on offense

869
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 1: is good enough. But I don't know if I don't

870
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 1: know if I trust Dalton to do it in a

871
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: big game. I think Trabinsky is not a demonstrated mediocrity.

872
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 1: He still has a chance to be so good because

873
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 1: of it. His athleticism began coaching there that he could

874
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 1: he could rise above Dalt like from a human angle.

875
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:45,959
Speaker 1: If you were talking about the ranking quarterbacks to build

876
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 1: a team you have to put Andy Dalton into your

877
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 1: We're adding Andy Dalton to our playoff ready roster. We

878
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 1: know that all of you're gonna believe in him from

879
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: head to toe. No, they're immediately going to be asked

880
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 1: questions about Andy Dalton because Andy Dalton has proven to

881
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,800
Speaker 1: be a quarterback you can't ultimately trust to do anything

882
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: other than not win playoff game. But I'm more of

883
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,439
Speaker 1: I'm more on the I'm sorry, but that that's part

884
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 1: of it. Kirk Kirk. Kirk Cousins then is kind of

885
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 1: like the rich Man's Andy Dalton literally because he hasn't

886
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 1: come up at his best in the big spot yet.

887
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 1: I didn't really think twice about putting him four or

888
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,280
Speaker 1: five spots ahead of Dalton because I think he's shown

889
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 1: to me over those sixteen game sample sizes in play

890
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 1: to play he's pretty good that he's going to help

891
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 1: your organization. I believe, I like to look at it.

892
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 1: Dalton is what we've been talking about, that he he

893
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 1: rises and falls based on what's around him. Yeah. I

894
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: don't think Andy Dalton is failing in January because he's

895
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 1: a choker or anything like that. And he didn't even

896
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 1: get to play in the playoffs the last year they

897
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:43,760
Speaker 1: made it because of that injury that we talked about.

898
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 1: I I think that if they ever did build something,

899
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 1: he would not hold them back. He might not put

900
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 1: him over the top because he is a trailer, not

901
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: a truck. I think that's why he's a perfect prime

902
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:56,800
Speaker 1: Ridian guy. And I think Cousins is fascinating for that reason.

903
00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: I was I was curious, were you guys, um everyone

904
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 1: have Cousins above Dalton? Six seven spots above? Did everyone

905
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:12,839
Speaker 1: have um anybody else at Prescott below Dalton? I did, Yeah,

906
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 1: I had him five spots above Dalton, but that whole

907
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 1: area is a bunch of like question mark type. Yeah,

908
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 1: I had him. I had him one spot above Dalton.

909
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: You know, I've been all over the place. Anybody that

910
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:31,320
Speaker 1: Anybody's surprising that many people views an answer proven answer

911
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 1: that kind of flirted with the Dalton zone Jimmy G.

912
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 1: Because I think Jimmy G has so much unknown and

913
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: he's in a perfect situation, and he was in a

914
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,720
Speaker 1: perfect situation for those few times we saw him in

915
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 1: New England. But I don't know. Jimmy G quite a

916
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 1: bit ahead of Dalton. I think the closest surprise I

917
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 1: would have is that Stafford floated. Matthew Stafford. He's cousins,

918
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:57,919
Speaker 1: He's uh, next door neighbors with Grappolo on my list

919
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 1: about five above Dalton? What about Robinsky's anybody I have him?

920
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: I have him right below, but I could see why

921
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 1: someone would rank him. He can move up for me.

922
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: He's he's five spots below Dalton for me. Wow, But

923
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 1: you just have Dalton much lowered. Well, I just like

924
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 1: I I have Winston and car and Foals and Mariota.

925
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: So maybe I'm evaluating Dalton as a little closer to

926
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:23,760
Speaker 1: that mean than than you. I think he was nineteen

927
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 1: than on mine. Of that, you kind of know what

928
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 1: you're getting with Andy Dalton and the rest of those guys.

929
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: I'm not saying Raisky four spots higher because I have

930
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 1: not given I have my issues with tram Whisky, but

931
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 1: I've certainly not given up on him. Where we know

932
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 1: what either, like, I know what Andy Dalton's ceiling is,

933
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 1: and I'm not I'm not going to sign up for that.

934
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 1: By this exercise, you are saying that the Bears have

935
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: their franchise quarterback. I think they believe they do now

936
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 1: if they get into a it's it's your friend. I

937
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 1: think it's look at he to me is someone that

938
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 1: I'm going to give him another year based on the

939
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 1: same way with the Blake Bortle stuff coming at us.

940
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,840
Speaker 1: I'm not willing to tell to lead knockoff Mitchell Robinsky,

941
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 1: but I see things that concerned me a lot. But

942
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 1: if he correct some of that next year, bang, they're

943
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 1: going to give him another year. They're gonna they believe it,

944
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 1: but enough it might be a mistake and they might

945
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 1: look back in two years. I guess I'm making the

946
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:16,319
Speaker 1: evaluation at least at this point that they might look

947
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 1: back in a couple of years that they gave him

948
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 1: too much rope when they had a chance, just like Andy,

949
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 1: which happens all the time. Yeah, Blake Bortles way too.

950
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:28,399
Speaker 1: I gave him. I gave him rope. Tied it around

951
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: my neck. Where was Jimmy t last year? For everyone?

952
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: Because I have him up at around fourteen because just

953
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 1: because of last season, I am not I care. I

954
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 1: can't that he got injured. It's it's two or three.

955
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: I have him a complete like if over thirty quarterbacks,

956
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 1: I have him around fifteen sixteen. His his his twins

957
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: are or his neighbors are dak Or excusing cousins and

958
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 1: Stafford Evan right next to Brady. How far did Brady

959
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,839
Speaker 1: fall done? Brady's twelve on my list? I have him

960
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: at eight or nine. He's at two year old? Man,

961
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: they wake up, Ricky, Do you hear that? Brady twelfth

962
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 1: on this list? How do just how does that make you? Well?

963
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 1: That was the part that was I thought, the challenge is,

964
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 1: like you have to factor in these global actually never

965
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:10,720
Speaker 1: to be honest, I didn't really worry about the order

966
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 1: of the list when I knew they were clear like

967
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 1: for Brady, for me, he's clearly on the right side side.

968
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 1: Are you choosing you had a franchise two thousand nineteen?

969
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 1: Are you choosing to stake your franchise to Tom Brady

970
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 1: or Deshaun Watson? Deshaun Watson of course the throne of sleeves.

971
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 1: Tom Brady is drifting towards the Dalton line. That's just

972
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 1: the fact. That's where we're at right now. He's drifting,

973
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 1: and that doesn't They just want a Super Bowl but

974
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 1: he is not. He's not chilling at the top of

975
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: the list anymore. The thing with Brady could all be

976
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 1: over and in one game he could all be the

977
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 1: end could happened at any game. I mean, he has

978
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 1: rewritten any expectations of quarterbacks aging process. I mean the

979
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 1: only time you know, a team has made the super

980
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:55,919
Speaker 1: Bowl three straight times? What in twenty five years is

981
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 1: his thirty nine to forty one year old years, doesn't

982
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 1: it doesn't say to the Cincinnati is a surprise a

983
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 1: f C title game participant and the Pats fall off

984
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: and it becomes the Brady scale next year, that would

985
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 1: be that is that? Yeah, it would be a great

986
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 1: day in New York when that happened. There are there

987
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:32,240
Speaker 1: are multiple horses in this that's everyone. That's everyone partying. Uh,

988
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:35,879
Speaker 1: you know for the Ryan Fitzpatrick Donald competition next year

989
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 1: after Donald does a deeply traveling second season. You know

990
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 1: that you're such a small man. I'm dealing with all

991
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:45,959
Speaker 1: this fall out with the Jets and you can't even

992
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 1: just take the victory of the first twenty minutes comes

993
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 1: into the kill. I mean, you can't take that. W

994
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 1: I say one negative thing about Brady. I've having a

995
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 1: fun retort to the Brady scale, just for I don't

996
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 1: believe it anyway, It's even look how hard you know?

997
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 1: Darnal's nice and high curiosity sake? Where did everyone rank

998
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield? But I didn't really worry about where I

999
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 1: had Baker, and I wanted to be a little fanboyish

1000
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:13,919
Speaker 1: and put him up higher. But I'd like to see

1001
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 1: what you're two. I have a number eight in between

1002
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson and above Matt Ryan for me, I have

1003
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 1: him a thirteen between goth and Stafford. But how dare

1004
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 1: you weirdly I have him? I have about eighth after

1005
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:29,840
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan. I weirdly just noticed I have Thomas to

1006
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 1: mitrof tent thoas rain fart or what what was that

1007
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 1: meant to be Matt Ryan now because he's on I'd

1008
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 1: love to who you're linking that's I think I wrote

1009
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:43,760
Speaker 1: to instead of Ryan. And then yeah, that's a problem.

1010
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 1: My homes, Rogers, Luck and Russell Wilson are the only

1011
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 1: four I have over Baker Mayfield. I mean, I love

1012
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 1: I love Baker. I think he's could easily be in

1013
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 1: the top five for me next year. But I mean

1014
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 1: it's that week three Jets Browns games. Well, it just

1015
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 1: never gets when it comes to adoptings scale, it's sort

1016
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 1: of a different conversation. He's way ahead of it, and

1017
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 1: so I'm not really sweating It depends what we're ranking here.

1018
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 1: If you're like guys to build your franchise around, yeah,

1019
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:10,879
Speaker 1: he would be in my top five. I mean if

1020
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 1: you're only if your neighbors are Golf and Stafford, like

1021
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:16,839
Speaker 1: those are two established NFL stars only after year one,

1022
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 1: I thought Golf might get a little heat in this

1023
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:20,839
Speaker 1: room as being around the A Dalton, So I put

1024
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 1: him at Dan. You're starting a franchise tomorrow and you're

1025
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:28,240
Speaker 1: choosing to start it with Jared Golf over Baker Mayfield, Um,

1026
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 1: well other next tie. I don't believe that. No, maybe

1027
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:33,879
Speaker 1: on that one, maybe I would put Mayfield right ahead

1028
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 1: of Golf. I mean I didn't spend hours on You

1029
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:39,320
Speaker 1: gotta live with this choice for the been there to

1030
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,280
Speaker 1: like the commercials you're gonna do to sell season tickets.

1031
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've seen God, I've also been

1032
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:46,240
Speaker 1: there both number one picks. I've been. I was vocal

1033
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: about how the spiriting that performance was in the Super Bowl.

1034
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:52,439
Speaker 1: But Golf established himself as a star in this league

1035
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:54,879
Speaker 1: over the last two years. So I think maybe we've

1036
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:56,800
Speaker 1: gone too far the other way now where we're doubting

1037
00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 1: whether golf is a real like answer at quarter back,

1038
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 1: a truck or a trailer guy. I'm not, but I

1039
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 1: would rather have Matthew Stafford than him. I'd rather have

1040
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 1: Cam Newton than him. I think Sean McVeigh is the

1041
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:11,399
Speaker 1: truck i'd rather exactly, I'd rather have Deshaun Watson than him.

1042
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 1: So when you're talking about those guys cousins in golf,

1043
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 1: to me are in the similar ish area, and that

1044
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 1: for me is down fourteen fourteen spots. The best thing

1045
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 1: about golf is his age. I mean, he's barely older

1046
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:25,760
Speaker 1: than you know. It's a great thing about golf too. Um.

1047
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:30,719
Speaker 1: When we were at the Vikings Rams game, I you know,

1048
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:33,800
Speaker 1: I've been to you know, probably like thirty forty NFL

1049
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 1: games in my life. I never saw a quarterback throw

1050
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 1: the ball with greater precision in a game. And that's

1051
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 1: obviously one game. But the the guy has incredible skills.

1052
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 1: I think sometimes it gets um, I was gonna say,

1053
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 1: goffed over, glossed over, um that he has put together

1054
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 1: some really good tape and still a short amount of time,

1055
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 1: and he's twenty four. He's four months young older than Baker,

1056
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 1: which to me doesn't matter. Um younger than than a

1057
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 1: more months older than Baker. That it's that you give

1058
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 1: him a little bit of right. So he was he

1059
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 1: was just such a young pro play anyway. But I

1060
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 1: agree with you said, but I would still like not

1061
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 1: even think twice. I would definitely take that would I

1062
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 1: would probably take Baker over golf. But I think that's good.

1063
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 1: That's a good category. What's the best you've ever seen

1064
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:24,279
Speaker 1: someone spin it live? I mean, I think I'm with Dan.

1065
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 1: That Jared Goff game against the Viking Folds against the

1066
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 1: Pats and the Super Bowl was rageous. Flacco, I would say,

1067
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 1: Flacco and the super Bowl is my has always been

1068
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:35,800
Speaker 1: my answer. But I'm not gettleman. I'm not drafting a

1069
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 1: guy just because he had a good game in front

1070
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:39,880
Speaker 1: of my eyes. How about like Tom Brady hitting James

1071
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 1: White in the flats like eighteen times? And how about

1072
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 1: James White squeezing through for that two point conversion to

1073
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 1: tie the game up? Wow, the Best's fourth quarter against

1074
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 1: the Seahawks was impressive. The best throw I've ever seen

1075
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 1: was Eli Manning to Mario Manning on our sideline to

1076
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 1: basically bury the Patriots and ruin their legacy. That was

1077
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 1: a good damn throw. That was that was gorgeous, Like

1078
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 1: four Super bowls ago. It's hard to even remember. All Right,

1079
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:12,319
Speaker 1: everybody at Patrick mahomes the top this list. I know

1080
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 1: that's not what this exercise was. Yes, I do, but

1081
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:20,799
Speaker 1: it's sort of like hedging because it's more of a

1082
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 1: tie with Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, I have everybody Rodgers Aaron Rodgers. Well, Mark,

1083
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 1: where do you have Rogers? How far beneath the dalt mine?

1084
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:32,359
Speaker 1: I initially had Andrews number two, that I moved him

1085
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:35,799
Speaker 1: down a spot to make room for Aaron Rodgers, who

1086
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 1: will lead the Packers to another heat seeking seven wins season.

1087
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 1: That must have killed you to put him in the top. No,

1088
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:47,279
Speaker 1: I mean again, I'm the GMOs to answer questions. How

1089
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 1: am I going to explain anyone that I'm putting Aaron

1090
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 1: Rodgers anywhere other than the top three? I mean they

1091
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 1: throw up parades for seven win seasons in Cleveland. I

1092
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 1: mean it's not no, Greg, Now, when when are you

1093
00:55:57,239 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 1: going to west Is getting married in a couple of days.

1094
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 1: Any insults you'd like to sling his way before we

1095
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 1: I was talking about the Browns, not not. You know,

1096
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 1: fifty percent of marriages end in divorce. If that feels

1097
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 1: low these days, it's gotta be like it's risen. Yeah

1098
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 1: any unreported? Yeah, all right, speaking speaking of the wedding.

1099
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 1: So there you go. Dalton Andy Dalton remains the prime Meridian. Um,

1100
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 1: and we'll check back in next year to see how

1101
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 1: badly we messed it up exactly. UM. I wanted to

1102
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 1: have Nick Westling on the show today. I had planned

1103
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:35,359
Speaker 1: a phone or with him, but we just too much

1104
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 1: stuff going on the breaking news. So maybe it's like

1105
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 1: a missed opportunity and maybe we'll have Nick on after

1106
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:42,879
Speaker 1: the Great Cornhole Battle in Tybee. This is our last

1107
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:46,720
Speaker 1: show before. Uh. Not having him on is like the

1108
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:51,799
Speaker 1: biggest psychological warfare you can do, so I think it's beautiful. Um.

1109
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:55,440
Speaker 1: So we're looking forward to mostly that cornhole showdown, but

1110
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 1: also Chris getting married Lakisha. We're all jumping on planes.

1111
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 1: West tonight on A and I tonight on A Red Eye. Friday,

1112
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 1: we have the largest and oldest water fight in the world,

1113
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 1: as the only beach bump parade on top of water

1114
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:12,200
Speaker 1: of Hucka Poo's Eric Thomas is the big cahuna for

1115
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 1: the parade. What does a water fight exactly help us

1116
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 1: with that? So at six thirty, anyone coming onto the

1117
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 1: island should be either in a poncho or prepared to

1118
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 1: be shot with um kind of water cannon. I'm glad

1119
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 1: we play in the evening. I'm glad we knew this. Um.

1120
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 1: This seems like something you would hate, especially it is theory.

1121
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 1: We actually were there this weekend a year ago and

1122
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 1: West and I ended up. We were just having a

1123
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 1: good time playing cornhole and the driver. We never went

1124
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 1: to any of these shenanigans, and we just were having fun.

1125
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 1: And half half the town was coming over to pay

1126
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 1: their respects to West, so we never even got involved.

1127
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 1: And listen to this party house, um that we have

1128
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 1: set up, the Sessler's, Mark and Simone, the Zeusers, Dan

1129
00:57:55,960 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 1: and Emily, the Gonzos, Colleen and John, and our little

1130
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:04,919
Speaker 1: a little girl, a little daughter in her own little

1131
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 1: room with Michael J. Fox post around the wall playing

1132
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:18,960
Speaker 1: her Debbie Gibson records, Erica tamp posted. Now that is

1133
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 1: gonna be funlight. I don't know. I'm hoping Gonzo will

1134
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 1: not be caught up with Ringer related NBA duties crossed

1135
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 1: our fingers on that one, but good cornhole Foe, it

1136
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 1: would be yes. I have some rivals. Gonzoe and I

1137
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 1: have had some history there too. Um. Alright, so we're

1138
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 1: really excited for that. So because of that, UM, you

1139
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 1: won't have another show from US um until Tuesday. So

1140
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 1: and if we get I swear to God, if one

1141
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 1: person comes out of us on Twitter with the criticism

1142
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 1: of the show not being online on Monday, a new episode,

1143
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 1: I declare vengeance. I go to your front door. Who

1144
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 1: are you if you're asking or critique? How dare you? All? Right?

1145
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 1: Good stuff? You're ready West, I'm ready, alright, Let's go

1146
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 1: to Tybee Island. Let's do it is. Dan hands Is

1147
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 1: signing off for a Quiet Storm, The Mailman, the Old Boss,

1148
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 1: Ricky Hollywood, behind the Glass Untell, The Nuptials,