Speaker 1: I am all in. I am all in with Scott
Speaker 1: Patterson and I heart radio podcast. All Right, hey guys, Uh,
Speaker 1: we're back Scott Patterson, I am all in podcast. Listen.
Speaker 1: We're getting a lot of emails, like five hundred thousands
Speaker 1: of emails, millions coming in about not mentioning the character
Speaker 1: names with their real names. And we're going to fix that.
Speaker 1: So we've had Sally Struther's uh and she played a Bett.
Speaker 1: We've had Junique Truesdale, as you recall, he played Michelle
Speaker 1: and uh and Rose Abdu played Gypsy as we all know,
Speaker 1: the lovely Gypsy. Don't we deal who we have today? Yet? No,
Speaker 1: I'm not No, I know. First, they want to know,
Speaker 1: you know what they want to know? What do they
Speaker 1: want to know? They want to know, like, what the
Speaker 1: heck are we? Oh? And we've got we've got the
Speaker 1: the illustrious podcast producer Amy Sugarman. And we also have uh,
Speaker 1: Danielle Romo, another producer on the podcast who has never also,
Speaker 1: like me, has never seen an episode, So we're going
Speaker 1: to be experiencing her point of view as a non
Speaker 1: watcher who's been converted like me as a watcher. And
Speaker 1: and and I'm quickly becoming obsessed by the way, So
Speaker 1: how about the same here. I'm very much enjoying this
Speaker 1: this show. So I'm sorry for all the people I
Speaker 1: made mad, but no, I really really love this show
Speaker 1: and I'm excited to follow along and really, you know,
Speaker 1: get into this and it's a great show. I can't
Speaker 1: believe how good it is it. Why didn't I watch?
Speaker 1: Why didn't have time? And we'll go why didn't I
Speaker 1: watch it? I mean when I was younger? Um? And
Speaker 1: then uh, and then we have our young gun here
Speaker 1: and Riley please pronounce your last name. So that's our
Speaker 1: that's our team. That's our podcast, team of experts and
Speaker 1: amateurs of which I count myself wanted because like, I'm
Speaker 1: becoming this obsessed fan along with Danielle. I am so
Speaker 1: obsessed at this point because I've watched three episodes and
Speaker 1: I'm just hitting myself in the head with a hammer now,
Speaker 1: like why didn't you watch the show? And now I'm
Speaker 1: going to tell you why I didn't watch a show?
Speaker 1: You know why I didn't watch a show? Listen? Uh?
Speaker 1: And and here's uh. We've been getting plenty of emails
Speaker 1: about this, like why hasn't he watched the show. It's
Speaker 1: not believable. He of course he didn't watched the show. No,
Speaker 1: I didn't, And do you know why? Because the shooting
Speaker 1: days on set are twelve to sixteen hours, sometimes longer.
Speaker 1: So when you're in that even three days a week,
Speaker 1: you don't have time to do anything else. You have
Speaker 1: time to sleep, and you have time to eat, and
Speaker 1: you have time to maybe take a shower. Um, and
Speaker 1: then you're back at it again, and so over over
Speaker 1: time you develop and you develop very quickly uh a
Speaker 1: short term memory muscle, and it gets stronger and stronger
Speaker 1: and stronger because you got a flush the day's dialogue
Speaker 1: that you learn to make room for the new stuff.
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of dialogue, so it's it's just
Speaker 1: a function of clearing out and and learning new stuff
Speaker 1: and not really honestly knowing where you are in the
Speaker 1: episode or in the entire series. So that's why the
Speaker 1: director is there. One of the one of the director's
Speaker 1: main functions on a TV series and on a film
Speaker 1: is to let the actor know where they are in
Speaker 1: the story, in the episode, and where they are in
Speaker 1: the story in the season and in the whole sort
Speaker 1: of uh uh overall story. So he's giving you a
Speaker 1: macro and a microp here at the same time. Because
Speaker 1: you sometimes they blow it, which we'll talk about today.
Speaker 1: There's a mistake in this episode three really but anyway,
Speaker 1: so that's that's why I've never seen because it was
Speaker 1: never any time. And then also, if you work at
Speaker 1: the ice cream store to eat ice cream, if you
Speaker 1: if you make the sausage, do you want to eat it?
Speaker 1: You're you're smelling the sausage all day. This is the
Speaker 1: analogy I use. I hope it isn't off putting, but
Speaker 1: it's it's it's the best I can do for right now.
Speaker 1: So um. And then we had a special We had
Speaker 1: a dialogue coach named George Bell, who they were gonna
Speaker 1: let go I think after season three or four, and
Speaker 1: I went into Amy and I said, I said, we
Speaker 1: have to have this guy. Without this guy, we're not
Speaker 1: going to be able to do this dialogue at the
Speaker 1: speed you want it because he comes in in the
Speaker 1: morning in the trailer. And the first thing they asked
Speaker 1: me when I get there is like, what do you
Speaker 1: want for breakfast? And then I say, where's George? Bring
Speaker 1: him in? And George comes to your trailer and you
Speaker 1: run the scenes that you're going to do that day
Speaker 1: over and over and over and over and over again
Speaker 1: until you're just bulletproof and you can't possibly make a mistake.
Speaker 1: What was he good at? Like going fast with Yes,
Speaker 1: But first of all, he's a really good actor, so
Speaker 1: he understands the scene, he understands what it takes, and
Speaker 1: he's a great reader. He's a great scene partner to
Speaker 1: be with. So I would love to have him on
Speaker 1: the show because he's such a great guy and he's
Speaker 1: a really good friend. Um. And but if you didn't
Speaker 1: have George Bell, you don't have that show. I mean,
Speaker 1: he was really really important and uh he helped everybody
Speaker 1: with their dialogue and with their speed and because you
Speaker 1: walk on that set and it seems things seem a
Speaker 1: lot faster on the set, and you know, you you
Speaker 1: gotta know your stuff. So that was what it was
Speaker 1: all about for nine months when you're shooting, is knowing
Speaker 1: your lines and knowing them so cold they can't make
Speaker 1: a mistake, you know, trying to make a mistake and
Speaker 1: knowing them at that pace, and it's a very fast pace.
Speaker 1: So no, I did not have time to watch the show.
Speaker 1: I didn't have the strength, you know. It's like you
Speaker 1: need your sleep to recharging and and and flush out
Speaker 1: all that stuff. So that's some things are harder for
Speaker 1: you to remember too, because you're using your short term
Speaker 1: memory and then you purged, so now going back, you're there.
Speaker 1: But it comes back pretty quickly when I see it
Speaker 1: and I go oh yeah wow. And a lot of
Speaker 1: times I'm watching and in these first couple of episodes,
Speaker 1: I don't have a lot of dialogue, and you know,
Speaker 1: episode three, I'm just sort of interesting. Hat I get
Speaker 1: a couple of lines and gives give the gamp a
Speaker 1: couple of lines over there, you know, let's make them
Speaker 1: feel good. You did have the denim shirt though, you
Speaker 1: did have which was my favorite. It was my favorite
Speaker 1: shirt and they never used it again. I don't think
Speaker 1: denim on denim? Oh is this the only time? Maybe
Speaker 1: maybe there was a second time. Maybe, And I would
Speaker 1: go to into Mayben and I who's who's the head
Speaker 1: wardrobe mistress and uh and just you know, just great
Speaker 1: at her job, And I said, what about the denim?
Speaker 1: I loved the denim. You know, It's like I'm and
Speaker 1: see I'm wearing it today. It's not in denim versus
Speaker 1: flannel pole maybe I like that idea. It was like
Speaker 1: it was like a flannel versus a denim, like you know,
Speaker 1: wrestle off, m M a thing and the denim lost,
Speaker 1: denim got knocked up. I liked the denim. I mean,
Speaker 1: I wear the denim. It was a nice light denim
Speaker 1: with a dark denim. I thought it was it was.
Speaker 1: I thought it was gorgeous. Gorgeous denim. It's gorgeous. So anyway,
Speaker 1: so that's the explanation. Um, it's all short term memory.
Speaker 1: It's not you're you're in a fog on a set.
Speaker 1: A lot of times you don't know where you are
Speaker 1: in the story and if you hopefully you have. And
Speaker 1: we had great directors and this director on this one,
Speaker 1: Leonard spot Kid direct and he was great. He was
Speaker 1: just great at it, you know, and he grew up
Speaker 1: in the business. How could he not be great. He
Speaker 1: learned from his dad, who was who was a brilliant
Speaker 1: guy who was also a multi hyphen it you know,
Speaker 1: the poetry, music. And Leonard Nimoy directed My Favorite Star
Speaker 1: Trek Star Trek four, like the director of this episode,
Speaker 1: and did he stand out as a particularly good director.
Speaker 1: They were all good. They were just good in different ways.
Speaker 1: You know that their personalities varied, so some people were
Speaker 1: a little more chatty and others were a little more reserved.
Speaker 1: And some people like to shoot, you know, thirty takes
Speaker 1: of the master and drive everybody crazy. You know, there's
Speaker 1: didn't you know or just shoot twenty So but the
Speaker 1: show demanded that many takes because the editors wanted And
Speaker 1: I'm facing that right now with putting a music video
Speaker 1: together for a single I'm about to release, is that
Speaker 1: the editor doesn't have enough footage, so I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: to go down to the beach and shoot more footage
Speaker 1: because there's not enough to cut two. And I thought,
Speaker 1: you know, the professional that I am, I would know
Speaker 1: that screwed him up. And they called me and got
Speaker 1: you're a pro, why didn't you give me enough footage
Speaker 1: or enough angle? So um anyway, so that's really why
Speaker 1: they shoot so much. They just want a lot of options. Anyway,
Speaker 1: So you're on a set and you're an actor and
Speaker 1: all you should be thinking about is a scene and
Speaker 1: now in your dialogue at the pace because the only
Speaker 1: note we would really get from um directors is can
Speaker 1: you go a little faster, I said, three am, No,
Speaker 1: I can go faster in my car going home. But
Speaker 1: you really want to just faster, faster, faster, funn okay,
Speaker 1: And so you try, you really really try. And that's it.
Speaker 1: That's that's or. Listen, you're here in this scene, and
Speaker 1: this is where we are in the story, and this
Speaker 1: is the pitch is this, and the tone is this,
Speaker 1: and and that's it. That's all that. That's all you get,
Speaker 1: which is all you really need. Um. So yeah, So
Speaker 1: no time to watch the episodes. Even if I was
Speaker 1: interested in even if I liked watching my own work,
Speaker 1: which I do not, I loathe it, I still wouldn't
Speaker 1: have had time to do it anyway. So there you go.
Speaker 1: That's my excuse, and I'm sticking to it. I hope
Speaker 1: you enjoy the show. Well we're glad you didn't, because
Speaker 1: here we are now. Yes, exactly. It was the one thing,
Speaker 1: it was my one advantage ignorance leading to a podcast
Speaker 1: compete me good by the way, Thank you so much. Guys.
Speaker 1: All right, let's do it. I mean, listen, everybody, you
Speaker 1: are going to be thrilled with our next guest, very
Speaker 1: very very special guest, dear friend of mine, and and
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be a good way to
Speaker 1: apologize to everyone out there for all the screw up
Speaker 1: so far. But we'll we'll figure it out anyway. We'll
Speaker 1: be back after this. Yeah. Hi, ladies and gentlemen. This
Speaker 1: is Scott Patterson. I am All In Podcast and we
Speaker 1: have a very very very special guest today joining us.
Speaker 1: And it's gonna make the fans very very happy because
Speaker 1: you you emailed us, you DMed us about this particular guest. Uh,
Speaker 1: and we're delivering him and you you're gonna know you.
Speaker 1: We're gonna we're gonna get into it in a couple
Speaker 1: of seconds here. But let me let me tell you
Speaker 1: a little bit about this guy. Um. You know him
Speaker 1: for his role in Gilmore Girl, but he's several other
Speaker 1: television guests appearances along with playing Cragling in the Marvel films,
Speaker 1: Guardians of the Galaxies and Avengers. Uh, Ladies and gentlemen,
Speaker 1: I give you Sean gun. Sean was born in St. Louis, Missouri.
Speaker 1: Is the youngest of sex children. He graduated from DePaul
Speaker 1: University's theater program the Goodman School. He's married to Natasha
Speaker 1: Hello Hello, Hello, v who is an American actress and
Speaker 1: film director, and his next project is starring as the
Speaker 1: Weasel in the Suicide Squad in theaters August six, Ladies
Speaker 1: and Gentlemen, I give you the versatile Sean Gunn. Hello, John,
Speaker 1: Welcome to the podcast. There's no I'm used to the
Speaker 1: It's very nice to be here, Scott. It's uh, it's
Speaker 1: long overdue. It's nice, you know, it's it's good to
Speaker 1: see again. The last time, last time I saw it
Speaker 1: was in Where were we, Charlotte? I honestly have no idea.
Speaker 1: I remember seeing you. It was a convention. Remember sitting.
Speaker 1: I remember like sitting, and I remember hanging out, But
Speaker 1: I have no idea what city that was. I was
Speaker 1: in Virginia. Charlotte sounds right. Charlotte sounds right? Was Charlotte,
Speaker 1: North Carolina? But it was that convention that was at
Speaker 1: the last convention we did. The thing about conventions is
Speaker 1: I've now done, don't I'm over fifty conventions, and I don't.
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't place cities anymore. So I don't know,
Speaker 1: like so like I remember like details about being there,
Speaker 1: but I don't remember where we were. I remember I
Speaker 1: remember Berlin distinctively, I don't think you were there. Were
Speaker 1: you there? I remember Berlin because it was Berlin. I
Speaker 1: would love to go to Berlin. Actually it was great.
Speaker 1: Shout out to all the Berlin fans. It was so fun.
Speaker 1: That I'll be there at some point and we're starting
Speaker 1: up again. I think I think I'm actually gonna start
Speaker 1: doing You know, there's a whole whatever a year and
Speaker 1: a half from all of the COVID nonsense. So um,
Speaker 1: I know you're working so on something now you can't
Speaker 1: really talk about it. That's fine. Yeah, we don't have
Speaker 1: to talk about that'll be. That'll be soon, although I
Speaker 1: do you know, I have Suicide Squad coming out in August,
Speaker 1: which is cool. So that's something. Although that's another that's another.
Speaker 1: You know. Now I've I've I've been dipping my toe
Speaker 1: into doing this, like the c h G. I work,
Speaker 1: so I played this character. It's full c G. I
Speaker 1: so full, Like they put me in the in the
Speaker 1: the mo caps two and everything you see the character
Speaker 1: do is something that I actually did. So it's it's
Speaker 1: it's it's me. But it's a weird thing. Being a
Speaker 1: factor is a weird thing. Yeah, yeah, but it's going
Speaker 1: to be exciting being in films this large U with
Speaker 1: such a massive fan base, um and doing that high
Speaker 1: tech kind of stuff. It's gotta be thrilling. Though, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's cool. It's um. It was weird. I was just
Speaker 1: sort of going over and it's weird how how things
Speaker 1: work out. So my brother James, you know, is a
Speaker 1: is a writer director, and we were both in around
Speaker 1: two thousand twelve. We both we're at this like low
Speaker 1: point in our careers where or we thought we had
Speaker 1: had it made a decade earlier, you know, like like
Speaker 1: I'm on a TV show. He was like writing movies.
Speaker 1: He wrote like a couple of hit movies, and and
Speaker 1: then one thing after another happened, and after like after
Speaker 1: Gilmore Girls, I just like things dried up. I did
Speaker 1: this other TV show that went away right away, and
Speaker 1: I did this like big commercial campaign that was weird,
Speaker 1: and and then I just kind of had a couple
Speaker 1: of years of crickets and uh and like, oh, I
Speaker 1: thought I thought everyone was paying attention to this like
Speaker 1: magnificent work I was doing, and yet nobody knows. It
Speaker 1: seems like nobody knows who I am. And uh, and
Speaker 1: things were, you know, things were really small and and uh.
Speaker 1: And the same thing was going on with my brother
Speaker 1: and he was like, oh gosh, I'm a director, but
Speaker 1: I can't get It's like movies are still polarized now
Speaker 1: that there's either like these huge technical movies for these
Speaker 1: tiny movies that are impossible to get funding for. And
Speaker 1: he's like, what am I gonna do? I don't want
Speaker 1: to direct videos. I don't want to write for video games.
Speaker 1: And then like Guardians came and and sort of I
Speaker 1: won't say fell into his lap because he works, you know,
Speaker 1: so hard to get that job. But when he got
Speaker 1: that job, he's like, Okay, here's something I can bring
Speaker 1: you on board to come do and uh. And then
Speaker 1: it was like that that was the runway for the
Speaker 1: next you know, for what's been the last decade of
Speaker 1: my career. But that's but that's my attorney told me
Speaker 1: after Gilmore, you're gonna get two more shots. And that's
Speaker 1: how if you get three, you get three, you get
Speaker 1: three strikes. So if you're on a if you're on
Speaker 1: a hit series or if it's a mild hit, you're
Speaker 1: gonna get another offer to do another series. And if
Speaker 1: that doesn't go, you get one more hopefully and then
Speaker 1: but three and you're out. So the same thing happened
Speaker 1: to me with aliens in America that one a year,
Speaker 1: and then the event which one a year as well,
Speaker 1: and that was it. So but exactly so by about
Speaker 1: two thousand and eleven, two thousand and twelve, I was like,
Speaker 1: I was crappy. The attorneys dark man, just very very
Speaker 1: experienced would have been stead of saying, you get three
Speaker 1: shots in your ound, he said, play the long game, Scott,
Speaker 1: You've got you know, like it's he could go anyway
Speaker 1: and anyway, probably they probably had a meeting saying, well,
Speaker 1: you know, how long is Paterson gonna bring in the bucks?
Speaker 1: You know? So I don't know, give him give him
Speaker 1: the three shots speech and maybe a little to get
Speaker 1: more jobs. I don't know, um, but no, that's traditionally
Speaker 1: how he explained it. Historically. This is because he's you know,
Speaker 1: an old you know, older lawyer at the time, and
Speaker 1: he was a legend and a partner in a huge firm.
Speaker 1: The whole thing is that this is old school guys.
Speaker 1: I got my I've been with my manager for like
Speaker 1: twenty years and and he he like made his he
Speaker 1: like he got his chops, like he used to work
Speaker 1: for Susan Smith, who was a who was it was
Speaker 1: since passed, you know, but like but like you know,
Speaker 1: represented like actors like you know, trying Dennis and you know,
Speaker 1: like and awesome, and I love that. I love having
Speaker 1: some sort of connection to that. I like to think
Speaker 1: of myself as as a throwback as an actor, you know,
Speaker 1: and so like I like having some connection to that past.
Speaker 1: It's um, so let's get into uh, let's get into
Speaker 1: how what were you doing right before you got Gilmore?
Speaker 1: You know what's funny about Gilmore is that I never
Speaker 1: thought that that was going to be the show that
Speaker 1: like people wouldn't know me like I I was, you know, um,
Speaker 1: I was a character actor. I gone to I gone
Speaker 1: to acting school and and and and felt you know,
Speaker 1: certain ways about hexing school, but then came out, came
Speaker 1: out to l A and I started like booking really well.
Speaker 1: Like I learned that I had pretty good comic timing
Speaker 1: and I understood sitcoms really well. So like I was,
Speaker 1: I booked a really high rate, and I was like
Speaker 1: I was arrogant, and I was like I got this,
Speaker 1: you know, like I'm like people want me to do
Speaker 1: their shows. And I did give More Girls and it
Speaker 1: was just a one. It was a coach star. It
Speaker 1: wasn't even guest. Sorry that a co star as the
Speaker 1: DSL installer Gilmore Girls. Um, but I was booking other
Speaker 1: things at the time and doing other shows. And then
Speaker 1: I remember I got the call. They're like, hey, Gilmore Girls,
Speaker 1: book you wants to book you again. And I was like,
Speaker 1: what I was a you know, I was a DSL installar.
Speaker 1: It doesn't make sense. Now I've since learned the story. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, over the years, I've since learned from Amy
Speaker 1: that like essentially what happened was they did another they
Speaker 1: did another episode where there was another delivery guy and
Speaker 1: they saw some actors and Amy said to Jamie Rodowski
Speaker 1: and ken Mark Casey, are are wonderful tracting directors. It's like,
Speaker 1: no, no no, find me a guy like that guy who
Speaker 1: played the I want a guy like that and uh
Speaker 1: and Jamie blessed her heart. You know, I will always
Speaker 1: I will always do any favor that Jamie Rodoski asked
Speaker 1: of me, said said to Amy, why don't you just
Speaker 1: hire that same guy again? Like and and and Amy
Speaker 1: was like, huh, that's an interesting idea. And but you
Speaker 1: didn't have a name in that episode. But you didn't
Speaker 1: have a name in that episode, Good Laurel. I said,
Speaker 1: go to Unique, you know, to Michelle, go with that
Speaker 1: guy and deliver the swan. There's a guy over there.
Speaker 1: She didn't call him mix, call you Kirk. What was
Speaker 1: that about? That was the second The second episode was yeah,
Speaker 1: it was the swan delivery. So the first episode I
Speaker 1: did was the DSL where they called me Mick, which
Speaker 1: Amy forgot that she gave me a name, right, So
Speaker 1: you were supposed to be a different guy. I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't know, and at that point in my career,
Speaker 1: I didn't ask. I didn't want to ever do anything
Speaker 1: to rock the boat, to not to to like upset
Speaker 1: the apple card at the job that I was doing.
Speaker 1: Very basic question. You know, if I I would have said, hey,
Speaker 1: is this the same guy that I played in the
Speaker 1: first episode. There's a different guy. But I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: just happy to have all it takes. You don't want
Speaker 1: to hire him? Oh god, so funny? Yeah, So I
Speaker 1: and and and then you know, and then it kind
Speaker 1: of became this like running gag. And you know, I
Speaker 1: know that that Amy's dad was a character actor who
Speaker 1: would who would work multiple times on the same show,
Speaker 1: and uh, and she thought that gag was kind of funny.
Speaker 1: And so I took a lot of work away from
Speaker 1: a lot of actors because anytime they would need a
Speaker 1: role that was like, normally this would be a day
Speaker 1: player where we see a new guy who's like the
Speaker 1: clerk in the in the beauty shop or like working
Speaker 1: in the flood flowers or whatever, We're just gonna hire
Speaker 1: this same guy and he'll come back and he'll just
Speaker 1: do it over and over and over again. But the
Speaker 1: funny thing for me is that, like the whole time,
Speaker 1: I thought, this gag is gonna wear thin and every
Speaker 1: show I do is going to be my last. Like
Speaker 1: I thought that the whole the entire first season of
Speaker 1: Gilmore Girls. I honestly thought, every show I do is
Speaker 1: gonna be the last time I do this show. And uh,
Speaker 1: and I thought, but it's fine. I'm killing it. I'm
Speaker 1: like doing you know, I'm doing Third Rock from the
Speaker 1: Sun and I'm doing like I'm like booking other like rolls,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm gonna be great. I'm gonna land
Speaker 1: my my big role on something else and then I'll
Speaker 1: be fine, And then I think it was around it
Speaker 1: was there's an episode of gil More Girls the the Basket.
Speaker 1: It's called a tisket. A tasket is the name of
Speaker 1: the episode, and it's where they they um everybody in
Speaker 1: the town like makes a basket and they bid on
Speaker 1: the baskets and Suki makes this amazing basket for Jackson,
Speaker 1: but uh, he's They get into a fight and so
Speaker 1: in defiance, he doesn't fit on the basket. Kirk bits
Speaker 1: on the basket and gets it, and then they and
Speaker 1: then they make up. Jackson has to go back and
Speaker 1: like tell and and like try to like gid for
Speaker 1: like try to buy back the back. It's whatever, gid
Speaker 1: More Girls fans, you know what I'm talking about. And
Speaker 1: that was that episode always sticks out to me because
Speaker 1: that was the episode that when I did it, I
Speaker 1: was like, Oh, I'm gonna be on this show for
Speaker 1: a long time, you know, Like they gave my like
Speaker 1: my character had a little bit of a backstory in
Speaker 1: that episode. He was And it's it's crazy to look
Speaker 1: back and be like I was like twenty episodes in.
Speaker 1: I probably should have known before then, but but but
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, yeah, this is what this is
Speaker 1: what I'm doing now, I'm playing this character on this show.
Speaker 1: And then you know, and then you know how the
Speaker 1: rest want you were there? Well, yeah, I mean you
Speaker 1: did a hundred and thirty seven episodes. You were, you know,
Speaker 1: an integral part of this thing, for God's sake, a
Speaker 1: series regular. Um yeah, how do you even explain the
Speaker 1: character of Kirk? Well, I'm I'm fortunate that I I
Speaker 1: read this great piece in The Atlantic. Um I should be.
Speaker 1: I should shout out to the writer's name, but I
Speaker 1: don't remember her name the top of my head. But
Speaker 1: it explained it way better than I ever could. Um
Speaker 1: where they were. She talked about Kirk as a man child,
Speaker 1: And you know, I always looked at him as being
Speaker 1: a guy who who who like obeyed the rules at
Speaker 1: all costs, um, but would would also would also duck
Speaker 1: them when necessary. Like I don't I don't know how
Speaker 1: I thought of it, but but when you think of
Speaker 1: Kurt as like a nine year old and a grown
Speaker 1: man's body, it all adds up. You know. It's like
Speaker 1: when you think of him as a it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is like a little kid who both he's like
Speaker 1: he'll he'll lot if he needs to, but not in
Speaker 1: a bad way, only because maybe he thinks he's not
Speaker 1: gonna get caught. And uh and yeah, I think Kirk
Speaker 1: is um, you know the girl man and list alone
Speaker 1: in his mother's basement, Like what do you very entrepreneurial?
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, it works everything like he does him all
Speaker 1: the time, you know, like whatever you expected me, like,
Speaker 1: I will do it. And also I have to do
Speaker 1: it or I'll get in trouble. You know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm sure all this could write, I could say a
Speaker 1: thing or two. So how do you seriously, I mean
Speaker 1: how playing all those different characters and all those hysterically
Speaker 1: funny setups, I mean they really set you up? Um,
Speaker 1: how do you keep a straight face through all of it?
Speaker 1: Especially the hot dog? I mean, how on earth? Okay,
Speaker 1: I have the hot dog. I remember I said recently
Speaker 1: to Amy that I I was like, I wore a
Speaker 1: hot dog suit on the show. And I like to
Speaker 1: think that the character wore a metaphorical hot dog. Um
Speaker 1: like that sto he is in his essence, he's just
Speaker 1: the guy who wears the hot dog suit. Like you
Speaker 1: just know that you look at them and You're like, someday,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna see this guy in a hot talk suit. Um,
Speaker 1: I I don't know, man. You know how playing comedy
Speaker 1: you don't. You're not trying to be funny when you
Speaker 1: do comedy, you know, it's like you play this, you
Speaker 1: play the truth of it, and the words carry you.
Speaker 1: So the writing on the show was great. And Kirk's
Speaker 1: never you know, Kirk's never trying to be funny, never
Speaker 1: like never trying to be fun um. And so I
Speaker 1: just like, I just play that. I'd like to try
Speaker 1: to think about what he's thinking about, you know. Um,
Speaker 1: but got some of those things. Who are some of
Speaker 1: your biggest influences as an actor? Did you watch a
Speaker 1: lot of Buster Keaton? Did you watch a lot of
Speaker 1: the Yes, the physical comedians. Yeah, it's funny you say that,
Speaker 1: because yes, Buster Keaton is the first person that I
Speaker 1: would say, and particularly for Kirk, for Kurt the actors
Speaker 1: that I think of all the time, or Buster Keaton
Speaker 1: and a lesser known actor named Eddie Bracken who was
Speaker 1: a Preston Sturgis guy. He was in Hail the Conquering
Speaker 1: Hero and Miracle Morgan's Creek and he was just this
Speaker 1: weird and and I honestly, I think in some ways,
Speaker 1: I think the way I booked the role was that
Speaker 1: I was a fan of those types of movies and stuff.
Speaker 1: I think way back to when I was the DSL installer.
Speaker 1: I read that scene and I knew like front Page
Speaker 1: and his Girl Friday and and like bringing up Baby
Speaker 1: and those old like film comedy like the Power Hawks,
Speaker 1: presson certain movies. And I read that and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is this is that, this is like that's how
Speaker 1: this plays, is like it's like those comedies. And I
Speaker 1: think that that's what got me there. Did Amy confirm that?
Speaker 1: I mean, did you have those conversations with Amy about
Speaker 1: those films and those characters influencing Kirt No, not until
Speaker 1: years many many many years later, Like so at the time,
Speaker 1: and and I love it Amy so much, like she's
Speaker 1: she's such an amazing talent and has such an amazing brain. Um.
Speaker 1: But it was such great synergy to me for like
Speaker 1: actor and writer that that she confirmed what I thought
Speaker 1: by writing for me, you know what I mean. I
Speaker 1: never had to ask her, Hey, is this what you're thinking?
Speaker 1: Like I would. Then I would get the next scene
Speaker 1: that she would write and it would confirm what I
Speaker 1: was thinking, you know what I mean, So like I
Speaker 1: just knew from how she wrote the character that like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm on the right track. I'm doing it right, um,
Speaker 1: which is the greatest Man, I missed, I missed it.
Speaker 1: I like, I I feel like at the time to
Speaker 1: when Gilmore Girls was like like it was you know,
Speaker 1: it was awesome and I love doing it, But I
Speaker 1: was also an actor in my twenties and like was
Speaker 1: you know how it is You're wondering what's the next thing?
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, this is great, but what's the next thing?
Speaker 1: I'm like, I now feel like I'm chasing that dragon
Speaker 1: a little bit of like, oh, man, being on a
Speaker 1: being on a show where you have a writer who
Speaker 1: understands what your strengths are, just writing to those strengths, Like,
Speaker 1: how's it gonna better than that? Right? Yeah? Well, you
Speaker 1: know your brother, I think the same kind of brain
Speaker 1: and the same kind of talent um because that he does.
Speaker 1: I've been really lucky in that way. Yeah. Those are
Speaker 1: those are extraordinarily well drawn characters and very funny films. Uh,
Speaker 1: And I think you know, the humor in those films
Speaker 1: and the lightness of those films that carries them. Um yeah, um,
Speaker 1: And very few directors have that ability, very few writers
Speaker 1: have that ability. Yeah. Give me the top three Kirk moments.
Speaker 1: I mean, was there one specific moment with Kirk that
Speaker 1: really stands out here? And if it was, what was it?
Speaker 1: And is there a top three? I can do this?
Speaker 1: I won't, Um, I won't. I won't say the one
Speaker 1: that I already mentioned. But for me personally, that basket
Speaker 1: scene that I talked about earlier with Jackson is the
Speaker 1: one that sticks out more than any other because it
Speaker 1: was the one that that solidified what I understand about
Speaker 1: the character. But it's not the ones that I love
Speaker 1: the I'll count them down. UM. I loved um. I
Speaker 1: love playing Jesus and the Festival of Living Art. It
Speaker 1: was so fun and I don't know, I don't even remember.
Speaker 1: I don't remember what your interaction was with that episode,
Speaker 1: but it was a beast man. It was like and
Speaker 1: if I'm if I'm not incorrect. Um. The only Emmy
Speaker 1: that that show ever one was makeup on that on
Speaker 1: that episode, which was well deserved, by the way, although
Speaker 1: you know, awards are stupid, but I don't know, maybe
Speaker 1: we should have want some more emmies but whatever. Um.
Speaker 1: But like that Festival of Living Art episode, it was
Speaker 1: just so fun and it was so mammoth and it
Speaker 1: was such a like like and I loved the whole
Speaker 1: thing of Kirk, just like getting into character and being like,
Speaker 1: hey man, I'm method, I'm like Jesus and I'm running
Speaker 1: with this. Oh man, it's so much fun. Um. I
Speaker 1: would also say probably probably the Cat Kirk episode Kirk
Speaker 1: gets a cat and names him Kirk. Um. I love
Speaker 1: cats and have always had I've had I've had casts
Speaker 1: as a grown man, and I always wonder if any
Speaker 1: and Dan knew that and thought that that was funny
Speaker 1: and we're kind of like making fun of me on
Speaker 1: that episode. Um, But that one definitely sticks out. But
Speaker 1: the best one you were part of, the best episode
Speaker 1: ever to me was when I played Teva and Fiddler
Speaker 1: on the Roof with the nine year olds. So it's
Speaker 1: a bunch of nine year olds and he and Kurd,
Speaker 1: which Kirk's in his element, as I said, it's with
Speaker 1: nine year olds, like I'm comfortable here, this is my decent,
Speaker 1: my people, you know. And then there's that scene where
Speaker 1: I sing do you Love Me? With that little Girl.
Speaker 1: And that's my favorite scene in the history of of
Speaker 1: the show where where you and Luke and Lorela are
Speaker 1: like watching each other across the stage from the wings
Speaker 1: of the stage. Um, and it's like this beautiful moment.
Speaker 1: It's like a really romantic and touching moment between you guys,
Speaker 1: well while literally between you, the most absurd thing you
Speaker 1: could possibly imagine it's happening, which is a grown man
Speaker 1: singing do you Love Me? To a nine year old
Speaker 1: girl and playing it and we're playing it straight. I
Speaker 1: remember I remember asking the Great Hermann about that scene
Speaker 1: and being like, and I usually know what to do,
Speaker 1: and I'm not sure how to play this, like how
Speaker 1: to like, am I am I good? Should I do it?
Speaker 1: Should I should go for the laugh? Or should I
Speaker 1: do it as well as possible? And he's like and
Speaker 1: and he gave, of course the perfect advice, which is like,
Speaker 1: just do it, just go for it, just like sing
Speaker 1: sing the song you know, um, which to me like
Speaker 1: I'm feeling something very deep there. But it's hilarious when
Speaker 1: you watch it, it's it's ridiculous, um. And there's all
Speaker 1: to me, that's like the alchemy of the show comes
Speaker 1: together and there's like perfect synergy in that scene. Um. Anyway,
Speaker 1: and there you are again offering the ridiculous absurdity of
Speaker 1: life and the first kiss and you run through naked
Speaker 1: with a pillow covering. Oh yeah, I mean there you were?
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, right, the first kiss and
Speaker 1: I run through naked. Oh man? Um, alright, So here's
Speaker 1: a here's a question. Did Kirk love Laura La? Did
Speaker 1: you love her? You know, there's a there's an episode
Speaker 1: early on where Kirk asked Laura Lae out on a date.
Speaker 1: And I thought it was I thought it was gonna
Speaker 1: be a big episode for me. Not not because not
Speaker 1: because I thought something was gonna happen, but I thought that, like, oh,
Speaker 1: this will be cool. The audience will like feel for
Speaker 1: Kirk and like it'll be like heartbreaking and kind of sweet.
Speaker 1: And I looked back on it and it's kind of creepy.
Speaker 1: And that's the point, right, It's kind of the point. Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: I think I mean, you know, I honestly think it's
Speaker 1: that it's more messed up than him loving her. I
Speaker 1: think that he wants her approval. It's like it's like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, you get into that psychological stuff, but
Speaker 1: like he wants lorea lie to say he's a good boy.
Speaker 1: You know, sorry, sorry to go there, but I mean
Speaker 1: not like the way you want a dog right right
Speaker 1: right right, you know, like not anything more in the
Speaker 1: farious than that. I don't think you know exactly what
Speaker 1: we want you to say. Hey, great job, Like that
Speaker 1: was really you know, and they could have learned that,
Speaker 1: Like Luke could have learned that probably, you know, like
Speaker 1: if you really wanted to get Kirk away from him
Speaker 1: from hanging out the dinner and just be like, Kirk, man,
Speaker 1: you you look great. You're really killing it. You're like
Speaker 1: and I don't I think Kirk would be like, oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, wow, that's awesome. Like that's that's how you
Speaker 1: would That's how you would win that guy over. I think,
Speaker 1: um oh god uh um. So how did Kirk right,
Speaker 1: how did Kirk feel about Luke? Oh? I do think
Speaker 1: Kirk loved Luke. I mean he's the ultimate. Luke is
Speaker 1: the ultimate man. So like like Luke is the is
Speaker 1: the ideal of what a man should be, and so like,
Speaker 1: you know, I do think that that again, it's like
Speaker 1: kurts that that Luke's approval would be the the best
Speaker 1: thing he could he could possibly get. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I have to like to go back
Speaker 1: and watch some of that stuff. What is the ultimate
Speaker 1: Kirk job that you gave yourself in an entrepreneur, you
Speaker 1: started companies, you you tried many different things. What what
Speaker 1: what was the what was your favorite uh job that
Speaker 1: you did? Well, there's a difference between what's my favorite
Speaker 1: and what's the ultimate? Because my favorite was the one
Speaker 1: that was easy for me. So like I loved I
Speaker 1: loved announcing the hockey game because it's like you just
Speaker 1: sit and make jokes for you know, for like two days.
Speaker 1: He just like sitting. He was like, sit down with
Speaker 1: a microphone and and and and do comedy. But um,
Speaker 1: you know, I think honestly that like that. I gotta
Speaker 1: go back to the hot dog suit. It's like wearing
Speaker 1: a hot dog suit and passing. That's the ultimate. That's
Speaker 1: the true ultimate Kirk job. It's like passing out flyers
Speaker 1: for a hot dog plays. Wearing a hot dog suit.
Speaker 1: It's like brought unexpected joy on the set all day,
Speaker 1: even though you were sweating your brains out. That was heavy, man.
Speaker 1: It was like they didn't even have pads in it.
Speaker 1: It was like two pieces of plywood that just rested
Speaker 1: on my shoulders holding that whole thing up. That was
Speaker 1: one of the worst. I had some bad days on
Speaker 1: that set, and that was one of the worst. I
Speaker 1: also did that I was in the the plexiglass box
Speaker 1: that was suspended over the street where they were like,
Speaker 1: you know, it takes a forklift to get you in
Speaker 1: and out of that thing. So between setups, do you
Speaker 1: mind just staying in there? And like so the guys
Speaker 1: on a cigarette break, he doesn't want to come back,
Speaker 1: and yeah, total him, like I planned him just sitting
Speaker 1: in that box. I'd love a photo. I'd love a
Speaker 1: photo of that of me of on the Warner Brothers lot,
Speaker 1: of that plexiglass box in the middle of the night.
Speaker 1: It's like that, you know, that's sad looking man sitting
Speaker 1: hovering above the glamour. Show. Business must go on. It's
Speaker 1: mostly that and then once a year they, if you're lucky,
Speaker 1: they send a limo to take you somewhere. Um uh So,
Speaker 1: here's here's a question. What do you remember because mine
Speaker 1: was a very distinctive memory, But what do you remember
Speaker 1: about your first day on set? Oh gosh, um, my
Speaker 1: first day on set. Wow, I don't remember a whole
Speaker 1: lot from that because I thought I was in and out.
Speaker 1: I thought I was like, you know, I'm just like
Speaker 1: coming in, I'm gonna do my thing, I'm gonna leave.
Speaker 1: I'll never see any of these people ever again, you know.
Speaker 1: Um and uh and so I remember I I was.
Speaker 1: I was not nervous because I was getting a little
Speaker 1: bit nervous if I if I'm not a percent on
Speaker 1: the lines. But um, but I worked the audition so
Speaker 1: many times that like I already knew the lines backwards
Speaker 1: and forwards, and so like I remember, Um, I remember
Speaker 1: like wanting to do it fast and like go home.
Speaker 1: I don't. It's like it's that's the least sexy story
Speaker 1: you can possibly imagine. But like the thing that the
Speaker 1: thing that's sticks out for my first day is like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this fast. Everybody's gonna be super impressed
Speaker 1: by the awesome job that I do, and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go home and I'm never going to see these people again.
Speaker 1: And you did. That was in l A. That wasn't
Speaker 1: in Toronto, was it? Yeah? I know that was in
Speaker 1: l A. So it was. I was on the first
Speaker 1: episode after the pilot. So you guys shot the pilot
Speaker 1: and uh, and then they and then I was on
Speaker 1: the and I was on the first episode. In a
Speaker 1: funny story, my agent at the time UM wanted me
Speaker 1: to pass on the because because it was a co star,
Speaker 1: not a guest star, and I had just done a
Speaker 1: couple of guest stars. So like I was there, like
Speaker 1: we're really trying to establish you as a guy. And
Speaker 1: and you know, for the audience, if you don't know
Speaker 1: the difference, it's like a co star, you know, is
Speaker 1: maybe is gonna be one day, maybe has a lot
Speaker 1: line or two, you know, whereas a guest star is
Speaker 1: more like an actual supporting guest star for the for
Speaker 1: the for the episode. You know, big difference, money, difference
Speaker 1: in day, number of days and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: And I just come off doing like a couple of
Speaker 1: guest stars on sitcoms. And so when the audition came in,
Speaker 1: my agent was like, we recommend that you pass on
Speaker 1: this because we want to establish you as a as
Speaker 1: a guest star caliber guy and that you're not going
Speaker 1: lower than that. You know, they're doing their job. It
Speaker 1: makes sense. But my my manager at the time, many
Speaker 1: years ago, Gordon was had been friends with Mark Casey
Speaker 1: in Chicago and said, and Mars the cast that was
Speaker 1: one of the cast directors of the show, and said,
Speaker 1: mar is an old friend, and um, I you know
Speaker 1: your agents don't want you to do it, but I
Speaker 1: think it would be cool to like introduce your solved
Speaker 1: all these people and the like get it done. And
Speaker 1: I did. Fortunately, I did the thing that any actor
Speaker 1: I would recommend now should do, which is I said,
Speaker 1: send me the scene and let me read it, and
Speaker 1: if I want to do it, then i'll If I don't,
Speaker 1: if it looks like something that would be cool, fun
Speaker 1: And I read the scene, I'm like, this seems funny.
Speaker 1: It's like it's good, you know, like so like of
Speaker 1: course I'll go in on the audition. Isn't that weird?
Speaker 1: It's weird how that stuff works out, like how you
Speaker 1: go back and like how does because we because I
Speaker 1: was a guest star on the pilot, I wasn't a
Speaker 1: series regular, and that was that was a quick, easy audition,
Speaker 1: and I was like the second of the day. I
Speaker 1: had a third one. I was I was running late,
Speaker 1: and I was like, let's get through it. And got
Speaker 1: the job. Shot at we kind of figured it was
Speaker 1: just really a heat check with Lauren, you know, because
Speaker 1: the pilots opens in the diner, it ends in the diner,
Speaker 1: and so we figured, okay, so this is kind of
Speaker 1: a thing of the show and they're looking to the
Speaker 1: right guy. So they offered two episodes and we said no,
Speaker 1: which caused me great stress. And then they came back
Speaker 1: with four and you know, my manager recommended no. I said,
Speaker 1: come on, it's four guests, our episodes, and she was
Speaker 1: She goes, I'm gonna call again balogn and get you
Speaker 1: a contract, and I said, okay, and she did it.
Speaker 1: She did it well. She she she got me a
Speaker 1: six year deal. Wow. Yeah. And then which which which
Speaker 1: shows you, first of all, it's smart, you know that,
Speaker 1: you know, like sometimes your rest No, they understand what's
Speaker 1: going on, and they knew that. They like like they
Speaker 1: knew this is this is the guy we want to
Speaker 1: do this. But it's a money But it's like, do
Speaker 1: they have the money? So let's let's keep them coming
Speaker 1: back on the cheap because that's all we really have
Speaker 1: in the kiddie. And at that point, correct me if
Speaker 1: I'm run. So that point in your career, you're like
Speaker 1: you you did it like a famous episode of Seinfeldt
Speaker 1: right with the sponge, and like, what's going on for
Speaker 1: you in your career at that point? Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: just no, just auditioning really well, like like killing it
Speaker 1: and everything and always being always being the bridesmaid and
Speaker 1: like and he killed it. We're just gonna go another way,
Speaker 1: you know, and it's like he's he's our choice, but
Speaker 1: the director is going to go with the friend of
Speaker 1: a friend and you know it's always that Um yeah, no, No,
Speaker 1: I had nothing nothing really, I mean I did. I
Speaker 1: did a Will and Grace, I did a Seinfeld I
Speaker 1: was kind of like that kind of go to guy.
Speaker 1: I did. I did a Fired Up with Sharon Lawrence.
Speaker 1: I had a recurring on that, which was great. Um,
Speaker 1: so I was developing a little bit of a reputation
Speaker 1: in the business. Is like a reliable sort of guy
Speaker 1: to come on and you know, um do my thing.
Speaker 1: And but no, no, not no series stuff, no deals,
Speaker 1: no studio deals, no network deals. You know, it wasn't
Speaker 1: It was just like that was back in the day
Speaker 1: when there would be like like you meet people was
Speaker 1: like who are like, oh I have it? You know,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you had you have friends who
Speaker 1: like like I had friends who didn't work, but we're
Speaker 1: like under yeah, I had they had holding deals deals,
Speaker 1: and they used to give them. They used to give
Speaker 1: them out, and then when the writers went on strike,
Speaker 1: they wiped all those deals out and they stopped giving them.
Speaker 1: Those were those And we got a holding deal after
Speaker 1: year seven, negotiating in year six to go into year seven,
Speaker 1: and we had a holding deal in case the series
Speaker 1: got canceled. And thank god we did that. I had
Speaker 1: a eight manager, I really did. Um. So we got it.
Speaker 1: We we we got a holding deal, which got me
Speaker 1: on Aliens in America because they had to either pay
Speaker 1: me or put me on a series, and they didn't
Speaker 1: want to pay me to do nothing. Right did they
Speaker 1: pay you to cittain weight? So I was on this
Speaker 1: this this wonderful, wonderfully written series. UM comedy series. Um um.
Speaker 1: But anyway, so here's here's a question. Who from the cast? Okay,
Speaker 1: have you remained closest too? Okay? Yeah, like like uh
Speaker 1: oh okay, well, um, that's not counting John Cabrera who
Speaker 1: played Brian on the show, who was in one of
Speaker 1: the members of the band. Um. But Cabrera was my
Speaker 1: friend before he did the show. Um didn't get the
Speaker 1: job through me, by the way, it was coincidental, but
Speaker 1: he ended up. But like we were. We were roommates
Speaker 1: in college, so he's one of my He's like he
Speaker 1: was a year behind me in college. We're close friends.
Speaker 1: We've been like, you know, the best of friends for
Speaker 1: for oh my god, how old am I almost thirty years? UM,
Speaker 1: so that he doesn't count because we were already friends. Uh.
Speaker 1: But but Kikos the one I see the most. I
Speaker 1: I just saw her doing. Um she was she came
Speaker 1: to my wedding and um and uh and I just
Speaker 1: saw her doing We were doing a reading for this
Speaker 1: cool thing that she's working on. I won't say anymore
Speaker 1: about that, but like, um, and we're talking, I see her.
Speaker 1: I I see her when I can you know, um,
Speaker 1: And honestly, she's like the only like I see you.
Speaker 1: You know, like we see that we've seen each other.
Speaker 1: Ericann mentions in you and I'll texts from time to
Speaker 1: time about about various things and like whatever I saw
Speaker 1: you years ago. The coolest thing to me has been that,
Speaker 1: like I became friends with Amy and Dan after the show,
Speaker 1: Like when we were on it, I was, I was,
Speaker 1: I was scared of I was. I was afraid of Amy,
Speaker 1: you know. Um, and you know, and she was my boss,
Speaker 1: and uh, like I all I wanted I wanted to
Speaker 1: please her, like I wanted her. I think that I
Speaker 1: was doing a good job and continue to employ me
Speaker 1: and like and like I thought she was great and everything. Um,
Speaker 1: and I liked her, I would, you know. But but
Speaker 1: it wasn't until after the show was over really that
Speaker 1: we became friends as like actual human beings, I think. Um.
Speaker 1: And so now when I, um, I'll you know, anytime
Speaker 1: I go to New York, I'll I will try, you
Speaker 1: know to have dinner with a mean dan, you know,
Speaker 1: every time, and we you know, we'll email from time
Speaker 1: to time. And I also, like look back now as
Speaker 1: a as a forty seven year old man, what I
Speaker 1: didn't understands it as in my twenties, um, just knowing
Speaker 1: that like man, she was like she was like a
Speaker 1: thirty our role like in her mid thirties, a female
Speaker 1: dealing with all these dudes you think that they're the
Speaker 1: smartest people in the room and trying to like like
Speaker 1: get trying to sway her off of what her vision
Speaker 1: is and she was like, no, I know better than
Speaker 1: you do how this stuff works. And she like imposed
Speaker 1: her will on the show. That's the reason that it's good,
Speaker 1: and that's the reason that people talk about it now
Speaker 1: is because because you had a creator at the top
Speaker 1: who knew exactly, uh what the f she was doing.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I can curse on this show,
Speaker 1: but I won't. Um, you knew exactly what she was
Speaker 1: doing and uh and and looking back now, I have,
Speaker 1: like I have just unlimited respect for what she accomplished
Speaker 1: in making the show work. Um. Yeah, she stood her
Speaker 1: ground right away. She heels in it. But to go
Speaker 1: back to the question you asked about about people on
Speaker 1: the show, like, I don't really see anybody you know,
Speaker 1: Like that's one of the cool things about doing a
Speaker 1: year in the Life was like seeing Lauren and Alexis
Speaker 1: again who I love and will love forever, or like,
Speaker 1: you know, seeing Mike Winners again, who like I always like,
Speaker 1: like anytime I ever do an interview about going girls
Speaker 1: and people ask me who I like working with the
Speaker 1: best or whatever, I just feel obligated to bring up
Speaker 1: Mike Winners because of how hard his job was and
Speaker 1: how like that dude would just have pages and pages
Speaker 1: and pages of exposition and played anlike relatively unlikable character
Speaker 1: that people that's sort of like, oh this guy again,
Speaker 1: you know. And man, you want to talk about being
Speaker 1: a pro and being an old school like knowing how
Speaker 1: show business works and coming in and knowing your stuff
Speaker 1: and like hitting your mark and and like knocking the
Speaker 1: ball out of the park every like you know, every
Speaker 1: or or or not even you know, as a baseball guy,
Speaker 1: like just hitting clean doubles every time, you know, Like like,
Speaker 1: I just I love it. I miss I miss all
Speaker 1: of the I miss everybody really, um, but I don't
Speaker 1: see anybody. I know. Me and uh Melissa were in
Speaker 1: Sydney at the same time. Oh you know, I just
Speaker 1: we just spoke to Yunique and he's over there with
Speaker 1: her doing God's Favorite Idiot. It's a new yea, I
Speaker 1: guess an HBO thing or something. Yeah, but I haven't
Speaker 1: awesome awesome, I uh, but I haven't seen her and forever.
Speaker 1: I'd love to ask her if she's been able to
Speaker 1: get work since skillmore girls send it eye. It's a
Speaker 1: shame what's happened here? Yeah, such a talented girl being
Speaker 1: overlooked and it's just someone she'll find a job. Someone
Speaker 1: she will, she will we we wait a minute, were
Speaker 1: you with us that night? We went to Groundlings to
Speaker 1: see her and they're like, season one did you go?
Speaker 1: Because we went as a cast. I went on my own.
Speaker 1: I went and saw her Groundlings, um like by myself
Speaker 1: one night and she's like, hey, I'm doing the show.
Speaker 1: I'm like okay, and like I and I went and
Speaker 1: saw her performing Groundlings Founding. Yeah. I mean, I mean
Speaker 1: it was a stag. It's not a surprise, like you
Speaker 1: know now like oh yeah, of course she was amazing. No,
Speaker 1: but I mean I knew she was good because she
Speaker 1: was in the Groundles and you know, they don't mess
Speaker 1: around over there, and they don't bring you in unless
Speaker 1: they think you have tremendous upside uh and tremen into skills.
Speaker 1: But I wasn't prepared for that. I mean that was
Speaker 1: like after that show a my stomach herd and then
Speaker 1: I wanted to call Lauren Michaels and say, why isn't
Speaker 1: this girl on SNL. You know, this is like somebody
Speaker 1: who can create the content and then acted beautifully. I mean,
Speaker 1: these characters are gloriously funny. My god. Anyway, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was not surprised at all when her star started rising.
Speaker 1: I mean I wasn't surprised. Okay, I got him stare here.
Speaker 1: I wasn't surprised, but I was a little surprised. I
Speaker 1: was a surprised, like only only because of culture, only
Speaker 1: because of like the world that we lived in, right, Like,
Speaker 1: like I wasn't surprised that she had a fantastic career
Speaker 1: because she's genius, but like her becoming a movie star
Speaker 1: is freaking awesome, like like it's such a great thing that,
Speaker 1: like we didn't have movie stars like Melissa McCarthy when
Speaker 1: I was growing up, and the world was worse for it,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Um, And I really mean that.
Speaker 1: And so like it's like if you had said to me,
Speaker 1: if you would ask me, um, you know when whatever
Speaker 1: in the middle of Gilmer Girls, if you would ask
Speaker 1: me and season five like like which one of your
Speaker 1: castmates is going to be a massive movie star? Um,
Speaker 1: I would not have called it correctly, And I'm very
Speaker 1: glad that I would have been wrong. I called I
Speaker 1: called unique. Truesdale has been a huge disappointment to me.
Speaker 1: No kidding. I thought that Unique was most likely to
Speaker 1: be found dead mcgutter somewhere. No, No, he's still on
Speaker 1: top of stuff. Man, that guy's like on top of things. No,
Speaker 1: he's losing it. He's first of all, he's looking older.
Speaker 1: He's looking he looks a full ten years older than
Speaker 1: he is. He's gotta like to dish it out. He's
Speaker 1: gotta tell you back. He'll be fine. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: but I would have. Actually, I actually did call Melissa,
Speaker 1: you know, I did call from everyone in the cast.
Speaker 1: I said that girl is going to break out because
Speaker 1: of her skill set, because of her comedic skill set,
Speaker 1: and on top of the fact that she is just
Speaker 1: naturally funny, like in an interview. Oh, I mean, I
Speaker 1: mean I did interviews with her. I mean I did.
Speaker 1: I did an interview for early On with a ESPN
Speaker 1: and we're talking about boxing, and she was hysterical, and
Speaker 1: she she thought I was laughing at her. She got
Speaker 1: offended him, like, what are you talking about? Every every
Speaker 1: everything out of your mouth is like hysterically funny. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: she's a killer. I mean you know, yeah, she's a killer.
Speaker 1: She's she's undernovel. Yeah, she's like she's like Sally Struthers level,
Speaker 1: like funny, just like just talking to her. You know,
Speaker 1: those are my man, some of some of my favorite nights,
Speaker 1: Like my favorite memories I think from the entire run
Speaker 1: of the show would be we'd be doing those um
Speaker 1: those scenes in the town hall, you know, and it
Speaker 1: would be hot, and you gotta do everybody's coverage and
Speaker 1: they're like fourteen people on the scene, you know, And
Speaker 1: it would be on a Friday, so they knew they
Speaker 1: could go as late as they want and we'd up.
Speaker 1: It would be like okay, when the sun like hopefully
Speaker 1: when the sun comes up, will wrap you know. And
Speaker 1: at some point Liz Torres and Sally Struthers would get
Speaker 1: punch drunk and start singing old show tunes and just
Speaker 1: you know, Sally would back in a you know, an
Speaker 1: extra would be sitting on her lap like randomly or
Speaker 1: like they just would start holding court. And and I
Speaker 1: wish I had a video of of one or two
Speaker 1: of those moments, because man, I missed that. They saved
Speaker 1: us so many times they saved you know. That was
Speaker 1: the thing about working uh In in Burbank in August
Speaker 1: in a hundred and ten hundred and fifteen degrees doing
Speaker 1: those town hall meetings. Man, those were hot days. And
Speaker 1: every time I was in one of those scenes, and
Speaker 1: you're in there all day because you know, you gotta
Speaker 1: get covered all those people, like you said, but oh
Speaker 1: my god, it was so hot in those tents and
Speaker 1: they would tent it off right to create nighttime, so
Speaker 1: at six am it was tinted off to look like nighttime,
Speaker 1: and it just it was just like being inside of
Speaker 1: it was like a sauna. It was a steam room,
Speaker 1: or not a sauna, but it was a steam room,
Speaker 1: a big steam room, and you could just couldn't escape.
Speaker 1: They pumped in all kinds of a c with these
Speaker 1: giant tubes, but they would break down the generators breakdown
Speaker 1: from you know, working all day, and then they'd have
Speaker 1: to replace it. But oh my god, it was hot
Speaker 1: and every time I was in there, so we were
Speaker 1: all sweating because we're in winter closed to most of
Speaker 1: the time, we're in winter close it's Connecticut. It's you know,
Speaker 1: it's usually winter or fall, and that's when we did
Speaker 1: a lot of the town meetings. Um. I just kept
Speaker 1: thinking of all the people that have to work in
Speaker 1: the hot sun for scut wages, and here I am,
Speaker 1: you know, pissing and moaning about being sweaty and hot
Speaker 1: and winter closed, but I'm gonna hit TV show again.
Speaker 1: It was that, it was that sense of community that
Speaker 1: we all had because everybody was sweating their brains out
Speaker 1: and all you know, you know, I felt sorry for
Speaker 1: the most are they are the hair and makeup department,
Speaker 1: because they would have to come in there all the
Speaker 1: time and wipe us down and dab us down. They
Speaker 1: couldn't wipe you know, they'd have to dab us because
Speaker 1: the makeup. They screw up the makeup if they wiped right.
Speaker 1: So they have to come in there and they'd have
Speaker 1: their little you know, those little fans, those tiny little fans.
Speaker 1: They look like little propellers and they just hold them
Speaker 1: up to your face and you're like, oh, thank you,
Speaker 1: I love you, thank you, what you marry me? Thank you?
Speaker 1: Don't stop? You know what I mean? I mean. It
Speaker 1: was just it was it was hot. Have I have
Speaker 1: I said it was hot in there? Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: It was extraordinarily hot. Um anyway, it's a it's a
Speaker 1: heck of a place to be wearing flannel and spitting
Speaker 1: out dialogue while the sweat is flying off you had, Ben,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what we we We definitely earned our
Speaker 1: money on those days, that's for sure. Maybe not so
Speaker 1: much on other days, but on those days, we earned
Speaker 1: our money. I was working on Think Raise something. It
Speaker 1: was like it was like, oh man, this show is
Speaker 1: such a beast, like like we're trying to do five
Speaker 1: pages a day for whatever weeks or months or whatever.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay, I did a show where we
Speaker 1: averaged over ten pages a day every single day for
Speaker 1: seven years, and those pages really constituted twenty pages on
Speaker 1: a normal script because there was twice as much black ink.
Speaker 1: People didn't Yeah, like people, people, anybody works who works
Speaker 1: in show business. You tell them you did over ten
Speaker 1: pages a day every day, It's like wait, what that
Speaker 1: doesn't that impossible? Yeah. I went on Aliens in American
Speaker 1: and then the event set and I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: people are like, gosh, we have a two page or today,
Speaker 1: what are we going to get through it? And said,
Speaker 1: are you kidding me? I do big movies now, And
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, we got a two and a
Speaker 1: half page scene, so luckily we have two full days
Speaker 1: to shoot it. It's like, okay, Jesus Oh my goodness,
Speaker 1: h are you ready for rapid fire? You want to
Speaker 1: do some rapid fire? Yeah, give me some rapid fire,
Speaker 1: Come on, strapping man ready? All right? How do you
Speaker 1: take your coffee? But quick coffee? Yeah? Coffee? How do
Speaker 1: you take it? Lots of cold milk? No sugar? Can
Speaker 1: you smell snow? No? Are you team Logan Jess or
Speaker 1: team Dean Logan? Wow? That's shocking. Really, I thought that
Speaker 1: might stop you in your tracks. Stopped in my trash
Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, I think that I think that I
Speaker 1: think that Logan okay, I think that I think that
Speaker 1: Dean like fetishized Rory a little bit, like treated her
Speaker 1: like an object. I think that Jess belittled her a
Speaker 1: little bit, like would be like a little bit condescending
Speaker 1: at times. And I think that Logan, for Hall, is
Speaker 1: false as a human being, treated her as an equal,
Speaker 1: um as better than the other two did? Okay? Best
Speaker 1: memory of Gilmore girl the one I just said, late
Speaker 1: late nights, getting punched wrong, wanting to go home. Everybody's there,
Speaker 1: We're all like dicking around, looping, getting uh favorite Friday
Speaker 1: night dinner meal in real life? Now and well, let's
Speaker 1: both let's do Emily's house because you were invited to
Speaker 1: a couple of dinners. Weren't sure it was it just
Speaker 1: the one I went to one in the in the reboot,
Speaker 1: what was the what was the meal I the most discussing.
Speaker 1: I ain't the most disgusting thing they do that that
Speaker 1: they ever had on the show, and in I guess
Speaker 1: I don't know that A boy I do too. Actually, UM,
Speaker 1: show your binge watching right now, hymn still okay. Cast
Speaker 1: membery texted most recently, I think we know the answer
Speaker 1: to that. Well, if that's you. But before that, before that,
Speaker 1: it's kicko okay, okay, UM tell us about dealing with
Speaker 1: the Swans. Here's what I remember about that episode is
Speaker 1: is that I didn't know if I was the same
Speaker 1: character that I was that I was playing in the
Speaker 1: first episode that I did, and trying to just fake
Speaker 1: my way through it, never asking am I the same character,
Speaker 1: just like trying to like like maybe if I keep
Speaker 1: my mouth shut, I'll figure it out, you know, and uh,
Speaker 1: and doing it and sort of playing it like I
Speaker 1: think I ultimately did play it as though he was
Speaker 1: sort of the same character. And then I did another
Speaker 1: episode where I'm like, oh, no, I think I have
Speaker 1: to change this up a little bit. I have a
Speaker 1: question about the film by Kirk. Did you ever get
Speaker 1: offered to do a film based on those films by
Speaker 1: Kirks or write and direct or produce a film any
Speaker 1: on any level because of a film by Kirk? And
Speaker 1: that whole uh series of so it's where you were
Speaker 1: making these No, And when you phrased the question like that,
Speaker 1: I'm a little annoyed now that I haven't you got
Speaker 1: no offers? No offers? What am I? What do I
Speaker 1: look like? You know? But I do so I uh
Speaker 1: that that one comes up a lot, and I should
Speaker 1: like those films, like doing the like gosh, that was
Speaker 1: so much fun, Oh my god, absolutely most pleasurable Kirk
Speaker 1: stuff was was was those films? Those films were hey,
Speaker 1: And you didn't ask this question, but my favorite scene
Speaker 1: that you and I did together was in was was Oh, man,
Speaker 1: there's a couple. There's a couple that really there's two
Speaker 1: that's that stick out a lot. But one is the
Speaker 1: date is Kirk's first date with Lulu, and he's like
Speaker 1: all nervous about it, and we have this scene where
Speaker 1: where he goes aside to Luke and it's like when
Speaker 1: we talk about Duck from from Pretty and Pink and uh,
Speaker 1: and like I love doing that scene. And I also
Speaker 1: love doing the scene on the episode that ends with
Speaker 1: me running naked where I'm talking the night terror scene
Speaker 1: where I'm like, can you please help me with these
Speaker 1: with these night terrorists? Like those are both really some
Speaker 1: of my some of the best scenes, some of my
Speaker 1: most fun scenes. I don't recall they were very tender
Speaker 1: that they were tender scenes, weren't they between kind of
Speaker 1: thing they were kind of was like, Okay, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: throw this guy a bone, and like he wasn't, so
Speaker 1: you know, he see Luke had a little bit of
Speaker 1: a soft spot. Oh god, this guy's lost. Oh man.
Speaker 1: Yeah wow yeah, great stuff, great stuff. Um, a pleasure.
Speaker 1: Thank you for the time. Anytime, my friend. We will yeah,
Speaker 1: we will be rad in your cage again. Uh. And
Speaker 1: and again, I'm really sorry about what happened with Una.
Speaker 1: I love you. I really did. Everybody. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: he's like my favorite person to give a hard time
Speaker 1: because he gives it back double yeah. Uh alright, anyway,
Speaker 1: but enjoy your Sunday. Yeah, you do. All the best
Speaker 1: to you. Guys and your wife and all the best
Speaker 1: and good luck on the rest of the shoot and
Speaker 1: we'll talk to you soon. Pal. Okay, alright, alright you too. Bye? Okay? So, wow,
Speaker 1: uh is he not great? Is this guy not just
Speaker 1: filled with smarts and and perspective? And what a great guy? Wow?
Speaker 1: I love talking to him. Guess what, guys, we talked
Speaker 1: for so long because we just lost track of the time.
Speaker 1: When Sean Gunn enters a room, something happens. There's a vortex,
Speaker 1: there's us, there's a vacuum, something something good, and you
Speaker 1: lose a sense of time. Um, and we ran really
Speaker 1: really long. So we're gonna make second episode out of it.
Speaker 1: So what do you think of that? I think that's
Speaker 1: a good yeah, because we still we haven't even started
Speaker 1: talking about kill Me Now. So okay, how should we
Speaker 1: do this? All Right, So we're gonna end this episode
Speaker 1: and then in like a day or two days maybe
Speaker 1: when you're listening to this, it will be there. Now
Speaker 1: we'll have another episode recapping kill Me Now. So, so
Speaker 1: we went so long, we're gonna drop. We're gonna we're
Speaker 1: gonna drop another episode a couple of days after this one,
Speaker 1: recapping kill me now, okay, because we just went so
Speaker 1: long with Sean. You can talk. I could talk to
Speaker 1: that guy and I have. I've been at the hotel
Speaker 1: bar and talking to him for hours. So fascinating guy. Um,
Speaker 1: and just look out for that second episode. And if
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