WEBVTT - Interesting Hat (S1, E3 “Kill Me Now”) 0:00:00.760 --> 0:00:18.440 I am all in. I am all in with Scott 0:00:18.440 --> 0:00:22.920 Patterson and I heart radio podcast. All Right, hey guys, Uh, 0:00:23.600 --> 0:00:27.600 we're back Scott Patterson, I am all in podcast. Listen. 0:00:28.360 --> 0:00:31.880 We're getting a lot of emails, like five hundred thousands 0:00:31.960 --> 0:00:37.080 of emails, millions coming in about not mentioning the character 0:00:37.159 --> 0:00:39.479 names with their real names. And we're going to fix that. 0:00:40.040 --> 0:00:44.280 So we've had Sally Struther's uh and she played a Bett. 0:00:45.360 --> 0:00:49.680 We've had Junique Truesdale, as you recall, he played Michelle 0:00:50.120 --> 0:00:55.960 and uh and Rose Abdu played Gypsy as we all know, 0:00:56.360 --> 0:01:00.480 the lovely Gypsy. Don't we deal who we have today? Yet? No, 0:01:00.600 --> 0:01:03.160 I'm not No, I know. First, they want to know, 0:01:04.080 --> 0:01:05.520 you know what they want to know? What do they 0:01:05.520 --> 0:01:07.560 want to know? They want to know, like, what the 0:01:07.560 --> 0:01:11.679 heck are we? Oh? And we've got we've got the 0:01:11.680 --> 0:01:18.600 the illustrious podcast producer Amy Sugarman. And we also have uh, 0:01:18.800 --> 0:01:24.000 Danielle Romo, another producer on the podcast who has never also, 0:01:24.319 --> 0:01:27.680 like me, has never seen an episode, So we're going 0:01:27.720 --> 0:01:31.640 to be experiencing her point of view as a non 0:01:31.680 --> 0:01:35.600 watcher who's been converted like me as a watcher. And 0:01:35.160 --> 0:01:38.240 and and I'm quickly becoming obsessed by the way, So 0:01:38.440 --> 0:01:41.800 how about the same here. I'm very much enjoying this 0:01:41.800 --> 0:01:44.440 this show. So I'm sorry for all the people I 0:01:44.520 --> 0:01:49.760 made mad, but no, I really really love this show 0:01:49.840 --> 0:01:54.160 and I'm excited to follow along and really, you know, 0:01:54.440 --> 0:01:58.880 get into this and it's a great show. I can't 0:01:58.880 --> 0:02:01.120 believe how good it is it. Why didn't I watch? 0:02:01.320 --> 0:02:05.320 Why didn't have time? And we'll go why didn't I 0:02:05.320 --> 0:02:08.880 watch it? I mean when I was younger? Um? And 0:02:08.919 --> 0:02:11.800 then uh, and then we have our young gun here 0:02:12.720 --> 0:02:17.720 and Riley please pronounce your last name. So that's our 0:02:17.880 --> 0:02:22.120 that's our team. That's our podcast, team of experts and 0:02:22.280 --> 0:02:27.160 amateurs of which I count myself wanted because like, I'm 0:02:27.200 --> 0:02:30.400 becoming this obsessed fan along with Danielle. I am so 0:02:30.480 --> 0:02:33.440 obsessed at this point because I've watched three episodes and 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:35.440 I'm just hitting myself in the head with a hammer now, 0:02:35.560 --> 0:02:37.480 like why didn't you watch the show? And now I'm 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:39.160 going to tell you why I didn't watch a show? 0:02:39.240 --> 0:02:42.200 You know why I didn't watch a show? Listen? Uh? 0:02:42.240 --> 0:02:46.440 And and here's uh. We've been getting plenty of emails 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:49.359 about this, like why hasn't he watched the show. It's 0:02:49.400 --> 0:02:51.840 not believable. He of course he didn't watched the show. No, 0:02:51.960 --> 0:02:53.880 I didn't, And do you know why? Because the shooting 0:02:53.960 --> 0:02:57.760 days on set are twelve to sixteen hours, sometimes longer. 0:02:57.840 --> 0:03:01.720 So when you're in that even three days a week, 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:04.360 you don't have time to do anything else. You have 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:07.480 time to sleep, and you have time to eat, and 0:03:07.520 --> 0:03:10.840 you have time to maybe take a shower. Um, and 0:03:10.880 --> 0:03:14.680 then you're back at it again, and so over over 0:03:14.800 --> 0:03:18.200 time you develop and you develop very quickly uh a 0:03:18.280 --> 0:03:21.040 short term memory muscle, and it gets stronger and stronger 0:03:21.040 --> 0:03:26.200 and stronger because you got a flush the day's dialogue 0:03:27.000 --> 0:03:29.280 that you learn to make room for the new stuff. 0:03:30.200 --> 0:03:34.120 And there's a lot of dialogue, so it's it's just 0:03:34.160 --> 0:03:38.440 a function of clearing out and and learning new stuff 0:03:38.640 --> 0:03:42.000 and not really honestly knowing where you are in the 0:03:42.040 --> 0:03:46.160 episode or in the entire series. So that's why the 0:03:46.200 --> 0:03:48.640 director is there. One of the one of the director's 0:03:48.720 --> 0:03:51.240 main functions on a TV series and on a film 0:03:51.280 --> 0:03:54.000 is to let the actor know where they are in 0:03:54.040 --> 0:03:56.280 the story, in the episode, and where they are in 0:03:56.320 --> 0:03:58.640 the story in the season and in the whole sort 0:03:58.680 --> 0:04:03.160 of uh uh overall story. So he's giving you a 0:04:03.200 --> 0:04:05.120 macro and a microp here at the same time. Because 0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:08.000 you sometimes they blow it, which we'll talk about today. 0:04:08.240 --> 0:04:14.240 There's a mistake in this episode three really but anyway, 0:04:14.240 --> 0:04:16.839 so that's that's why I've never seen because it was 0:04:16.880 --> 0:04:20.240 never any time. And then also, if you work at 0:04:20.240 --> 0:04:22.400 the ice cream store to eat ice cream, if you 0:04:22.480 --> 0:04:24.200 if you make the sausage, do you want to eat it? 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:27.039 You're you're smelling the sausage all day. This is the 0:04:27.080 --> 0:04:30.279 analogy I use. I hope it isn't off putting, but 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:33.320 it's it's it's the best I can do for right now. 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:36.000 So um. And then we had a special We had 0:04:36.040 --> 0:04:39.279 a dialogue coach named George Bell, who they were gonna 0:04:39.360 --> 0:04:41.440 let go I think after season three or four, and 0:04:41.520 --> 0:04:45.120 I went into Amy and I said, I said, we 0:04:45.200 --> 0:04:46.960 have to have this guy. Without this guy, we're not 0:04:46.960 --> 0:04:48.520 going to be able to do this dialogue at the 0:04:48.560 --> 0:04:50.279 speed you want it because he comes in in the 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:53.440 morning in the trailer. And the first thing they asked 0:04:53.480 --> 0:04:54.880 me when I get there is like, what do you 0:04:54.880 --> 0:04:58.279 want for breakfast? And then I say, where's George? Bring 0:04:58.360 --> 0:05:00.599 him in? And George comes to your trailer and you 0:05:00.720 --> 0:05:02.920 run the scenes that you're going to do that day 0:05:03.000 --> 0:05:05.320 over and over and over and over and over again 0:05:05.839 --> 0:05:09.880 until you're just bulletproof and you can't possibly make a mistake. 0:05:10.080 --> 0:05:12.640 What was he good at? Like going fast with Yes, 0:05:12.720 --> 0:05:15.120 But first of all, he's a really good actor, so 0:05:15.160 --> 0:05:18.360 he understands the scene, he understands what it takes, and 0:05:18.400 --> 0:05:20.960 he's a great reader. He's a great scene partner to 0:05:21.000 --> 0:05:22.400 be with. So I would love to have him on 0:05:22.440 --> 0:05:23.960 the show because he's such a great guy and he's 0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:27.840 a really good friend. Um. And but if you didn't 0:05:27.839 --> 0:05:30.280 have George Bell, you don't have that show. I mean, 0:05:30.279 --> 0:05:33.560 he was really really important and uh he helped everybody 0:05:33.600 --> 0:05:36.279 with their dialogue and with their speed and because you 0:05:36.320 --> 0:05:39.760 walk on that set and it seems things seem a 0:05:39.760 --> 0:05:43.400 lot faster on the set, and you know, you you 0:05:43.600 --> 0:05:46.479 gotta know your stuff. So that was what it was 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:49.360 all about for nine months when you're shooting, is knowing 0:05:49.800 --> 0:05:55.120 your lines and knowing them so cold they can't make 0:05:55.160 --> 0:05:57.200 a mistake, you know, trying to make a mistake and 0:05:57.279 --> 0:06:00.279 knowing them at that pace, and it's a very fast pace. 0:06:00.360 --> 0:06:02.719 So no, I did not have time to watch the show. 0:06:03.279 --> 0:06:06.560 I didn't have the strength, you know. It's like you 0:06:06.600 --> 0:06:10.560 need your sleep to recharging and and and flush out 0:06:10.560 --> 0:06:13.960 all that stuff. So that's some things are harder for 0:06:14.000 --> 0:06:17.200 you to remember too, because you're using your short term 0:06:17.240 --> 0:06:21.960 memory and then you purged, so now going back, you're there. 0:06:22.080 --> 0:06:24.520 But it comes back pretty quickly when I see it 0:06:24.800 --> 0:06:27.640 and I go oh yeah wow. And a lot of 0:06:27.680 --> 0:06:30.000 times I'm watching and in these first couple of episodes, 0:06:30.040 --> 0:06:32.240 I don't have a lot of dialogue, and you know, 0:06:33.000 --> 0:06:40.800 episode three, I'm just sort of interesting. Hat I get 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:43.520 a couple of lines and gives give the gamp a 0:06:43.520 --> 0:06:45.480 couple of lines over there, you know, let's make them 0:06:45.480 --> 0:06:47.960 feel good. You did have the denim shirt though, you 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:51.680 did have which was my favorite. It was my favorite 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:53.280 shirt and they never used it again. I don't think 0:06:53.320 --> 0:06:56.120 denim on denim? Oh is this the only time? Maybe 0:06:56.279 --> 0:06:59.560 maybe there was a second time. Maybe, And I would 0:06:59.560 --> 0:07:02.240 go to into Mayben and I who's who's the head 0:07:02.240 --> 0:07:06.039 wardrobe mistress and uh and just you know, just great 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:07.719 at her job, And I said, what about the denim? 0:07:07.720 --> 0:07:09.680 I loved the denim. You know, It's like I'm and 0:07:10.280 --> 0:07:16.480 see I'm wearing it today. It's not in denim versus 0:07:16.560 --> 0:07:20.160 flannel pole maybe I like that idea. It was like 0:07:20.360 --> 0:07:23.280 it was like a flannel versus a denim, like you know, 0:07:23.360 --> 0:07:26.000 wrestle off, m M a thing and the denim lost, 0:07:26.560 --> 0:07:30.840 denim got knocked up. I liked the denim. I mean, 0:07:30.880 --> 0:07:33.640 I wear the denim. It was a nice light denim 0:07:33.680 --> 0:07:38.040 with a dark denim. I thought it was it was. 0:07:38.120 --> 0:07:43.360 I thought it was gorgeous. Gorgeous denim. It's gorgeous. So anyway, 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:47.120 so that's the explanation. Um, it's all short term memory. 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:50.240 It's not you're you're in a fog on a set. 0:07:50.600 --> 0:07:53.000 A lot of times you don't know where you are 0:07:53.080 --> 0:07:55.640 in the story and if you hopefully you have. And 0:07:55.720 --> 0:07:58.680 we had great directors and this director on this one, 0:07:58.840 --> 0:08:07.560 Leonard spot Kid direct and he was great. He was 0:08:07.640 --> 0:08:10.000 just great at it, you know, and he grew up 0:08:10.000 --> 0:08:12.160 in the business. How could he not be great. He 0:08:12.240 --> 0:08:14.400 learned from his dad, who was who was a brilliant 0:08:14.440 --> 0:08:16.920 guy who was also a multi hyphen it you know, 0:08:17.200 --> 0:08:21.360 the poetry, music. And Leonard Nimoy directed My Favorite Star 0:08:21.440 --> 0:08:27.720 Trek Star Trek four, like the director of this episode, 0:08:28.320 --> 0:08:30.880 and did he stand out as a particularly good director. 0:08:31.280 --> 0:08:33.720 They were all good. They were just good in different ways. 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:37.480 You know that their personalities varied, so some people were 0:08:37.480 --> 0:08:40.680 a little more chatty and others were a little more reserved. 0:08:40.760 --> 0:08:43.960 And some people like to shoot, you know, thirty takes 0:08:43.960 --> 0:08:46.160 of the master and drive everybody crazy. You know, there's 0:08:46.160 --> 0:08:49.440 didn't you know or just shoot twenty So but the 0:08:49.520 --> 0:08:53.800 show demanded that many takes because the editors wanted And 0:08:53.840 --> 0:08:57.560 I'm facing that right now with putting a music video 0:08:57.679 --> 0:08:59.880 together for a single I'm about to release, is that 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:02.439 the editor doesn't have enough footage, so I'm gonna have 0:09:02.440 --> 0:09:04.040 to go down to the beach and shoot more footage 0:09:04.760 --> 0:09:07.080 because there's not enough to cut two. And I thought, 0:09:07.200 --> 0:09:09.120 you know, the professional that I am, I would know 0:09:09.200 --> 0:09:13.000 that screwed him up. And they called me and got 0:09:13.040 --> 0:09:16.040 you're a pro, why didn't you give me enough footage 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:20.280 or enough angle? So um anyway, so that's really why 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:23.160 they shoot so much. They just want a lot of options. Anyway, 0:09:23.240 --> 0:09:25.160 So you're on a set and you're an actor and 0:09:25.240 --> 0:09:27.760 all you should be thinking about is a scene and 0:09:27.960 --> 0:09:30.440 now in your dialogue at the pace because the only 0:09:30.440 --> 0:09:34.760 note we would really get from um directors is can 0:09:34.800 --> 0:09:38.480 you go a little faster, I said, three am, No, 0:09:39.880 --> 0:09:42.480 I can go faster in my car going home. But 0:09:43.240 --> 0:09:46.680 you really want to just faster, faster, faster, funn okay, 0:09:46.880 --> 0:09:49.480 And so you try, you really really try. And that's it. 0:09:49.559 --> 0:09:53.440 That's that's or. Listen, you're here in this scene, and 0:09:53.480 --> 0:09:55.120 this is where we are in the story, and this 0:09:55.200 --> 0:09:56.960 is the pitch is this, and the tone is this, 0:09:57.080 --> 0:09:59.240 and and that's it. That's all that. That's all you get, 0:09:59.240 --> 0:10:02.640 which is all you really need. Um. So yeah, So 0:10:02.800 --> 0:10:06.840 no time to watch the episodes. Even if I was 0:10:06.920 --> 0:10:11.480 interested in even if I liked watching my own work, 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:14.720 which I do not, I loathe it, I still wouldn't 0:10:14.720 --> 0:10:17.520 have had time to do it anyway. So there you go. 0:10:18.160 --> 0:10:20.080 That's my excuse, and I'm sticking to it. I hope 0:10:20.080 --> 0:10:22.400 you enjoy the show. Well we're glad you didn't, because 0:10:22.440 --> 0:10:26.600 here we are now. Yes, exactly. It was the one thing, 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:31.960 it was my one advantage ignorance leading to a podcast 0:10:32.240 --> 0:10:35.960 compete me good by the way, Thank you so much. Guys. 0:10:36.000 --> 0:10:39.080 All right, let's do it. I mean, listen, everybody, you 0:10:39.120 --> 0:10:43.520 are going to be thrilled with our next guest, very 0:10:43.679 --> 0:10:48.840 very very special guest, dear friend of mine, and and 0:10:48.880 --> 0:10:50.480 I think it's going to be a good way to 0:10:50.520 --> 0:10:53.680 apologize to everyone out there for all the screw up 0:10:53.800 --> 0:10:56.600 so far. But we'll we'll figure it out anyway. We'll 0:10:56.640 --> 0:11:04.000 be back after this. Yeah. Hi, ladies and gentlemen. This 0:11:04.080 --> 0:11:07.280 is Scott Patterson. I am All In Podcast and we 0:11:07.360 --> 0:11:10.280 have a very very very special guest today joining us. 0:11:10.280 --> 0:11:13.640 And it's gonna make the fans very very happy because 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:18.760 you you emailed us, you DMed us about this particular guest. Uh, 0:11:19.760 --> 0:11:24.320 and we're delivering him and you you're gonna know you. 0:11:24.320 --> 0:11:26.280 We're gonna we're gonna get into it in a couple 0:11:26.320 --> 0:11:27.640 of seconds here. But let me let me tell you 0:11:27.640 --> 0:11:31.840 a little bit about this guy. Um. You know him 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:34.640 for his role in Gilmore Girl, but he's several other 0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:40.400 television guests appearances along with playing Cragling in the Marvel films, 0:11:40.440 --> 0:11:44.920 Guardians of the Galaxies and Avengers. Uh, Ladies and gentlemen, 0:11:45.320 --> 0:11:48.640 I give you Sean gun. Sean was born in St. Louis, Missouri. 0:11:48.840 --> 0:11:51.560 Is the youngest of sex children. He graduated from DePaul 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:56.679 University's theater program the Goodman School. He's married to Natasha 0:11:57.200 --> 0:12:02.280 Hello Hello, Hello, v who is an American actress and 0:12:02.280 --> 0:12:05.800 film director, and his next project is starring as the 0:12:05.800 --> 0:12:11.240 Weasel in the Suicide Squad in theaters August six, Ladies 0:12:11.280 --> 0:12:19.760 and Gentlemen, I give you the versatile Sean Gunn. Hello, John, 0:12:19.920 --> 0:12:25.679 Welcome to the podcast. There's no I'm used to the 0:12:25.880 --> 0:12:28.640 It's very nice to be here, Scott. It's uh, it's 0:12:28.720 --> 0:12:31.920 long overdue. It's nice, you know, it's it's good to 0:12:31.960 --> 0:12:34.160 see again. The last time, last time I saw it 0:12:34.200 --> 0:12:37.840 was in Where were we, Charlotte? I honestly have no idea. 0:12:38.000 --> 0:12:41.440 I remember seeing you. It was a convention. Remember sitting. 0:12:41.640 --> 0:12:44.600 I remember like sitting, and I remember hanging out, But 0:12:44.640 --> 0:12:47.679 I have no idea what city that was. I was 0:12:47.720 --> 0:12:50.920 in Virginia. Charlotte sounds right. Charlotte sounds right? Was Charlotte, 0:12:50.920 --> 0:12:54.120 North Carolina? But it was that convention that was at 0:12:54.120 --> 0:12:58.160 the last convention we did. The thing about conventions is 0:12:58.280 --> 0:13:05.920 I've now done, don't I'm over fifty conventions, and I don't. 0:13:05.960 --> 0:13:09.959 I can't. I can't place cities anymore. So I don't know, 0:13:10.160 --> 0:13:13.439 like so like I remember like details about being there, 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:15.600 but I don't remember where we were. I remember I 0:13:15.640 --> 0:13:18.400 remember Berlin distinctively, I don't think you were there. Were 0:13:18.400 --> 0:13:22.200 you there? I remember Berlin because it was Berlin. I 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:24.440 would love to go to Berlin. Actually it was great. 0:13:25.120 --> 0:13:28.400 Shout out to all the Berlin fans. It was so fun. 0:13:29.160 --> 0:13:32.160 That I'll be there at some point and we're starting 0:13:32.240 --> 0:13:34.120 up again. I think I think I'm actually gonna start 0:13:34.120 --> 0:13:37.040 doing You know, there's a whole whatever a year and 0:13:37.040 --> 0:13:42.920 a half from all of the COVID nonsense. So um, 0:13:42.960 --> 0:13:44.560 I know you're working so on something now you can't 0:13:44.559 --> 0:13:47.319 really talk about it. That's fine. Yeah, we don't have 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:50.560 to talk about that'll be. That'll be soon, although I 0:13:50.559 --> 0:13:53.079 do you know, I have Suicide Squad coming out in August, 0:13:53.120 --> 0:13:58.760 which is cool. So that's something. Although that's another that's another. 0:13:58.920 --> 0:14:02.000 You know. Now I've I've I've been dipping my toe 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:05.480 into doing this, like the c h G. I work, 0:14:05.640 --> 0:14:08.440 so I played this character. It's full c G. I 0:14:08.559 --> 0:14:12.080 so full, Like they put me in the in the 0:14:12.080 --> 0:14:16.160 the mo caps two and everything you see the character 0:14:16.240 --> 0:14:21.280 do is something that I actually did. So it's it's 0:14:21.040 --> 0:14:24.240 it's it's me. But it's a weird thing. Being a 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:27.240 factor is a weird thing. Yeah, yeah, but it's going 0:14:27.320 --> 0:14:31.320 to be exciting being in films this large U with 0:14:31.440 --> 0:14:35.680 such a massive fan base, um and doing that high 0:14:35.760 --> 0:14:39.160 tech kind of stuff. It's gotta be thrilling. Though, Yeah, yeah, 0:14:39.200 --> 0:14:42.600 it's cool. It's um. It was weird. I was just 0:14:43.320 --> 0:14:45.640 sort of going over and it's weird how how things 0:14:45.680 --> 0:14:47.600 work out. So my brother James, you know, is a 0:14:48.280 --> 0:14:52.880 is a writer director, and we were both in around 0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:57.760 two thousand twelve. We both we're at this like low 0:14:57.800 --> 0:15:02.080 point in our careers where or we thought we had 0:15:02.080 --> 0:15:05.960 had it made a decade earlier, you know, like like 0:15:06.080 --> 0:15:10.360 I'm on a TV show. He was like writing movies. 0:15:10.520 --> 0:15:14.600 He wrote like a couple of hit movies, and and 0:15:14.640 --> 0:15:18.000 then one thing after another happened, and after like after 0:15:18.120 --> 0:15:22.520 Gilmore Girls, I just like things dried up. I did 0:15:22.520 --> 0:15:25.200 this other TV show that went away right away, and 0:15:25.320 --> 0:15:29.760 I did this like big commercial campaign that was weird, 0:15:29.880 --> 0:15:31.520 and and then I just kind of had a couple 0:15:31.520 --> 0:15:35.320 of years of crickets and uh and like, oh, I 0:15:35.400 --> 0:15:38.560 thought I thought everyone was paying attention to this like 0:15:39.360 --> 0:15:42.920 magnificent work I was doing, and yet nobody knows. It 0:15:42.960 --> 0:15:46.800 seems like nobody knows who I am. And uh, and 0:15:46.840 --> 0:15:51.000 things were, you know, things were really small and and uh. 0:15:51.080 --> 0:15:52.760 And the same thing was going on with my brother 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:55.760 and he was like, oh gosh, I'm a director, but 0:15:55.920 --> 0:16:00.120 I can't get It's like movies are still polarized now 0:16:00.160 --> 0:16:03.600 that there's either like these huge technical movies for these 0:16:03.640 --> 0:16:06.880 tiny movies that are impossible to get funding for. And 0:16:06.920 --> 0:16:08.760 he's like, what am I gonna do? I don't want 0:16:08.760 --> 0:16:11.640 to direct videos. I don't want to write for video games. 0:16:11.640 --> 0:16:17.320 And then like Guardians came and and sort of I 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:20.960 won't say fell into his lap because he works, you know, 0:16:21.400 --> 0:16:23.200 so hard to get that job. But when he got 0:16:23.240 --> 0:16:25.320 that job, he's like, Okay, here's something I can bring 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:29.520 you on board to come do and uh. And then 0:16:29.520 --> 0:16:32.360 it was like that that was the runway for the 0:16:32.400 --> 0:16:35.040 next you know, for what's been the last decade of 0:16:35.080 --> 0:16:39.000 my career. But that's but that's my attorney told me 0:16:39.760 --> 0:16:43.760 after Gilmore, you're gonna get two more shots. And that's 0:16:43.800 --> 0:16:45.960 how if you get three, you get three, you get 0:16:45.960 --> 0:16:48.840 three strikes. So if you're on a if you're on 0:16:48.880 --> 0:16:51.440 a hit series or if it's a mild hit, you're 0:16:51.440 --> 0:16:54.000 gonna get another offer to do another series. And if 0:16:54.040 --> 0:16:57.840 that doesn't go, you get one more hopefully and then 0:16:57.880 --> 0:17:02.360 but three and you're out. So the same thing happened 0:17:02.400 --> 0:17:06.280 to me with aliens in America that one a year, 0:17:06.400 --> 0:17:08.720 and then the event which one a year as well, 0:17:08.800 --> 0:17:10.919 and that was it. So but exactly so by about 0:17:10.920 --> 0:17:13.359 two thousand and eleven, two thousand and twelve, I was like, 0:17:13.920 --> 0:17:18.120 I was crappy. The attorneys dark man, just very very 0:17:18.160 --> 0:17:20.880 experienced would have been stead of saying, you get three 0:17:20.880 --> 0:17:24.520 shots in your ound, he said, play the long game, Scott, 0:17:24.600 --> 0:17:28.760 You've got you know, like it's he could go anyway 0:17:28.880 --> 0:17:33.000 and anyway, probably they probably had a meeting saying, well, 0:17:33.040 --> 0:17:35.600 you know, how long is Paterson gonna bring in the bucks? 0:17:35.640 --> 0:17:37.760 You know? So I don't know, give him give him 0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:40.560 the three shots speech and maybe a little to get 0:17:40.560 --> 0:17:44.040 more jobs. I don't know, um, but no, that's traditionally 0:17:44.200 --> 0:17:46.679 how he explained it. Historically. This is because he's you know, 0:17:46.760 --> 0:17:49.520 an old you know, older lawyer at the time, and 0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:51.680 he was a legend and a partner in a huge firm. 0:17:51.760 --> 0:17:54.520 The whole thing is that this is old school guys. 0:17:54.720 --> 0:17:56.600 I got my I've been with my manager for like 0:17:57.040 --> 0:18:00.359 twenty years and and he he like made his he 0:18:00.760 --> 0:18:03.760 like he got his chops, like he used to work 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:08.919 for Susan Smith, who was a who was it was 0:18:09.040 --> 0:18:12.280 since passed, you know, but like but like you know, 0:18:12.560 --> 0:18:17.600 represented like actors like you know, trying Dennis and you know, 0:18:17.840 --> 0:18:21.320 like and awesome, and I love that. I love having 0:18:21.440 --> 0:18:25.200 some sort of connection to that. I like to think 0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:28.840 of myself as as a throwback as an actor, you know, 0:18:29.359 --> 0:18:31.960 and so like I like having some connection to that past. 0:18:32.280 --> 0:18:37.720 It's um, so let's get into uh, let's get into 0:18:37.920 --> 0:18:41.840 how what were you doing right before you got Gilmore? 0:18:42.680 --> 0:18:45.960 You know what's funny about Gilmore is that I never 0:18:46.000 --> 0:18:48.320 thought that that was going to be the show that 0:18:48.400 --> 0:18:55.000 like people wouldn't know me like I I was, you know, um, 0:18:55.040 --> 0:18:58.200 I was a character actor. I gone to I gone 0:18:58.200 --> 0:19:02.600 to acting school and and and and felt you know, 0:19:03.560 --> 0:19:07.120 certain ways about hexing school, but then came out, came 0:19:07.119 --> 0:19:09.920 out to l A and I started like booking really well. 0:19:10.359 --> 0:19:14.080 Like I learned that I had pretty good comic timing 0:19:14.720 --> 0:19:20.679 and I understood sitcoms really well. So like I was, 0:19:22.320 --> 0:19:24.560 I booked a really high rate, and I was like 0:19:25.880 --> 0:19:27.840 I was arrogant, and I was like I got this, 0:19:28.320 --> 0:19:31.800 you know, like I'm like people want me to do 0:19:31.880 --> 0:19:34.679 their shows. And I did give More Girls and it 0:19:34.760 --> 0:19:36.960 was just a one. It was a coach star. It 0:19:37.040 --> 0:19:39.480 wasn't even guest. Sorry that a co star as the 0:19:39.560 --> 0:19:44.600 DSL installer Gilmore Girls. Um, but I was booking other 0:19:44.640 --> 0:19:46.800 things at the time and doing other shows. And then 0:19:46.840 --> 0:19:50.320 I remember I got the call. They're like, hey, Gilmore Girls, 0:19:50.320 --> 0:19:53.760 book you wants to book you again. And I was like, 0:19:54.040 --> 0:19:57.600 what I was a you know, I was a DSL installar. 0:19:57.680 --> 0:20:02.080 It doesn't make sense. Now I've since learned the story. Um, 0:20:02.160 --> 0:20:04.960 you know, over the years, I've since learned from Amy 0:20:05.080 --> 0:20:10.640 that like essentially what happened was they did another they 0:20:10.640 --> 0:20:13.960 did another episode where there was another delivery guy and 0:20:14.000 --> 0:20:18.880 they saw some actors and Amy said to Jamie Rodowski 0:20:18.880 --> 0:20:22.919 and ken Mark Casey, are are wonderful tracting directors. It's like, 0:20:23.119 --> 0:20:25.320 no, no no, find me a guy like that guy who 0:20:25.320 --> 0:20:28.800 played the I want a guy like that and uh 0:20:28.880 --> 0:20:32.480 and Jamie blessed her heart. You know, I will always 0:20:32.560 --> 0:20:35.600 I will always do any favor that Jamie Rodoski asked 0:20:35.600 --> 0:20:38.520 of me, said said to Amy, why don't you just 0:20:38.600 --> 0:20:42.600 hire that same guy again? Like and and and Amy 0:20:42.720 --> 0:20:46.199 was like, huh, that's an interesting idea. And but you 0:20:46.240 --> 0:20:50.800 didn't have a name in that episode. But you didn't 0:20:50.840 --> 0:20:52.879 have a name in that episode, Good Laurel. I said, 0:20:53.240 --> 0:20:56.399 go to Unique, you know, to Michelle, go with that 0:20:56.440 --> 0:20:59.280 guy and deliver the swan. There's a guy over there. 0:20:59.320 --> 0:21:01.879 She didn't call him mix, call you Kirk. What was 0:21:01.920 --> 0:21:05.320 that about? That was the second The second episode was yeah, 0:21:05.320 --> 0:21:07.919 it was the swan delivery. So the first episode I 0:21:07.960 --> 0:21:11.000 did was the DSL where they called me Mick, which 0:21:11.000 --> 0:21:13.920 Amy forgot that she gave me a name, right, So 0:21:13.960 --> 0:21:16.560 you were supposed to be a different guy. I didn't. 0:21:16.600 --> 0:21:19.479 I didn't know, and at that point in my career, 0:21:19.920 --> 0:21:23.080 I didn't ask. I didn't want to ever do anything 0:21:23.119 --> 0:21:26.399 to rock the boat, to not to to like upset 0:21:26.440 --> 0:21:28.280 the apple card at the job that I was doing. 0:21:30.640 --> 0:21:38.439 Very basic question. You know, if I I would have said, hey, 0:21:38.640 --> 0:21:40.720 is this the same guy that I played in the 0:21:40.760 --> 0:21:43.840 first episode. There's a different guy. But I'm like, I'm 0:21:43.960 --> 0:21:49.520 just happy to have all it takes. You don't want 0:21:49.520 --> 0:21:54.000 to hire him? Oh god, so funny? Yeah, So I 0:21:54.560 --> 0:21:56.920 and and and then you know, and then it kind 0:21:56.960 --> 0:21:59.320 of became this like running gag. And you know, I 0:21:59.359 --> 0:22:02.040 know that that Amy's dad was a character actor who 0:22:02.040 --> 0:22:04.760 would who would work multiple times on the same show, 0:22:04.880 --> 0:22:08.240 and uh, and she thought that gag was kind of funny. 0:22:08.600 --> 0:22:10.840 And so I took a lot of work away from 0:22:10.920 --> 0:22:13.280 a lot of actors because anytime they would need a 0:22:13.440 --> 0:22:15.560 role that was like, normally this would be a day 0:22:15.600 --> 0:22:18.080 player where we see a new guy who's like the 0:22:18.080 --> 0:22:21.080 clerk in the in the beauty shop or like working 0:22:21.080 --> 0:22:23.320 in the flood flowers or whatever, We're just gonna hire 0:22:23.359 --> 0:22:25.359 this same guy and he'll come back and he'll just 0:22:25.400 --> 0:22:27.840 do it over and over and over again. But the 0:22:27.880 --> 0:22:30.720 funny thing for me is that, like the whole time, 0:22:30.760 --> 0:22:34.359 I thought, this gag is gonna wear thin and every 0:22:34.359 --> 0:22:36.679 show I do is going to be my last. Like 0:22:36.880 --> 0:22:40.359 I thought that the whole the entire first season of 0:22:40.400 --> 0:22:43.879 Gilmore Girls. I honestly thought, every show I do is 0:22:43.880 --> 0:22:46.600 gonna be the last time I do this show. And uh, 0:22:46.720 --> 0:22:49.200 and I thought, but it's fine. I'm killing it. I'm 0:22:49.240 --> 0:22:52.000 like doing you know, I'm doing Third Rock from the 0:22:52.080 --> 0:22:55.560 Sun and I'm doing like I'm like booking other like rolls, 0:22:55.600 --> 0:22:58.320 and I'm like, I'm gonna be great. I'm gonna land 0:22:58.359 --> 0:23:02.280 my my big role on something else and then I'll 0:23:02.280 --> 0:23:05.240 be fine, And then I think it was around it 0:23:05.400 --> 0:23:10.800 was there's an episode of gil More Girls the the Basket. 0:23:10.800 --> 0:23:12.560 It's called a tisket. A tasket is the name of 0:23:12.600 --> 0:23:18.520 the episode, and it's where they they um everybody in 0:23:18.520 --> 0:23:20.960 the town like makes a basket and they bid on 0:23:21.000 --> 0:23:25.640