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Speaker 2: All Right, Bucks and basketball, So this is an interesting game.
Speaker 2: This matchup is is an interesting one between these two
Speaker 2: teams because there's been a game plan that the Lakers
Speaker 2: have used over the years over Golden against Golden State.
Speaker 2: This has worked pretty well, which is basically involved a
Speaker 2: lot of ball pressure and top locking and basically forcing
Speaker 2: the Warriors guards to, especially in their off ball actions,
Speaker 2: to not be able to use their screens and try
Speaker 2: to cut back door into Anthony Davis. The gist of
Speaker 2: it is is the Lakers know that they don't have
Speaker 2: excellent perimeter defenders right now. They want to leave Anthony
Speaker 2: Davis in the paint as much as possible, and there's
Speaker 2: a push in a poll that takes place in basketball
Speaker 2: games surrounding that perimeter dynamic.
Speaker 1: So imagine in.
Speaker 2: An ISO situation, if you've got a guy who can
Speaker 2: defend on an island and he's not having a lot
Speaker 2: of trouble, you can kind of stay home on shooters,
Speaker 2: and then if he's getting beat off the dribble or
Speaker 2: getting beat in a host up mismatched type of situation,
Speaker 2: you got to start loading up in the paint, start
Speaker 2: sending multiple bodies, right And you saw that push and
Speaker 2: pull in the form of picking role at the beginning
Speaker 2: of this game. One of the things that I talked
Speaker 2: about earlier this season as to pertain to Lakers is
Speaker 2: because they don't have a guard that can really defend
Speaker 2: and also is a plus offensive player, like they've got
Speaker 2: Cam Reddish who's a guy who can defend but is
Speaker 2: a is a bad offensive player. They have Max Christie
Speaker 2: who can defend, but he's super young and has a
Speaker 2: lot of ups and downs like all young players do,
Speaker 2: so obviously is not a guy you can kind of
Speaker 2: rely on a ton of big spots. What is up
Speaker 2: happening is Austin Reeves has to be your primary point
Speaker 2: of attack guy on guards and all of you guys
Speaker 2: who listen to the show who play basketball and have
Speaker 2: the ball in your hands, you know the feeling when
Speaker 2: you walk on the court. There's a feeling you have
Speaker 2: when you step into a game, whether it's a pickup game,
Speaker 2: a men's leag game, a high school game, a college game,
Speaker 2: whatever it is. When you walk on the floor, you
Speaker 2: look at the guy across from you, especially if it's
Speaker 2: against guys that you've played against a lot in the past.
Speaker 2: You look across and you either go, this guy's tough,
Speaker 2: He's gonna make me work hard tonight, I'm gonna have
Speaker 2: to bring my a game. Or do you look at
Speaker 2: Austin You're like, this dude has no chance, and you
Speaker 2: just walk into the game feeling comfortable and confident, knowing
Speaker 2: that you are going to bust his ass because he
Speaker 2: has no hoping of guarding you, and I promise you.
Speaker 2: And Steph Curry walks into a game and he knows, Wait,
Speaker 2: Austin Reeves is guarding me for forty eight minutes.
Speaker 1: Here's his thing.
Speaker 2: Love, Austin Reeves great player, But you know what he's
Speaker 2: not in the league for by being one of the
Speaker 2: best guys in the league to guard guards. That's not
Speaker 2: what he does for a living. That's not what his
Speaker 2: paycheck comes from. He's ideally in a situation where he's
Speaker 2: guarding the second best guard on the other team, where
Speaker 2: it's a little bit more of a manageable matchup for him.
Speaker 2: And like you could tell at the beginning of this game,
Speaker 2: the Lakers were sitting Anthony Davis in a little bit
Speaker 2: more of a deeper drop and they were asking Steph
Speaker 2: to or Austin to fight over the top of these screens,
Speaker 2: and it just was way too easy for Steph Curry
Speaker 2: to get separation from Austin, either through using the first
Speaker 2: screen and setting his man up for the screen or
Speaker 2: the Draymond's really good at rescreening, where like you set
Speaker 2: the first screen and Austin does a good job fighting
Speaker 2: over the top and then you just quickly pivot around
Speaker 2: at it again because it's such an aggressive defensive move
Speaker 2: to get over it's hard to reset to then do
Speaker 2: it again going in the opposite direction. He was getting
Speaker 2: wherever he wanted to. You gotta remember Steph Curry is
Speaker 2: good at getting separation and pick and roll against.
Speaker 1: The best defenders in the world.
Speaker 2: We literally saw that in the NBA Finals in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty well, when Derek White and Marcus Smart were on
Speaker 2: him and it just was no problem for him to
Speaker 2: get separation over the top of screens so that he
Speaker 2: could get to his pull up jump shot. And so
Speaker 2: then you saw the push and pull because after Steph
Speaker 2: made a few threes, all of a sudden, Anthony Davis
Speaker 2: had to come further out. He was doing more switching
Speaker 2: on to Steph. You saw that more as the game progressed,
Speaker 2: and then also just having to come higher out into
Speaker 2: his from his drop coverage up to the level above
Speaker 2: the screen at the screen and then sometimes even above
Speaker 2: the level of the screen. And then that's when that
Speaker 2: starts to open up all of the other problems on
Speaker 2: the back line. As soon as you bring that second
Speaker 2: defender up to Steph. The Warriors offense is designed to
Speaker 2: capitalize on that, whether it's through hitting the roll man
Speaker 2: and going to the rim. Tray Jackson Davis did an
Speaker 2: amazing job, especially there in the second quarter at rolling
Speaker 2: hard to the rim. This is one of the most
Speaker 2: important things for a big guy to do, especially an athlete,
Speaker 2: and this is kind of what Jackson Jackson Hayes does
Speaker 2: for the Lakers, where it's like, as soon as you
Speaker 2: get that dribble handoff off or that ball screen or
Speaker 2: whatever it is, you need to release and roll hard
Speaker 2: because there's an opportunity there if you can get ahead
Speaker 2: of steam, especially against a team like the Lakers that
Speaker 2: without Lebron James and without some of their other forwards
Speaker 2: like Jared Vanderbilt, they don't have a ton of backline size,
Speaker 2: and so then what ends up happening is if Anthony
Speaker 2: Davis is away from the rim, it opens up just
Speaker 2: a huge slew of problems, whether it's you know, Trace
Speaker 2: Jackson Davis or Draymond Green rolling hard to the rim
Speaker 2: for layups, or it's like just shoot the damn ball
Speaker 2: and you're gonna end up getting an offensive rebound.
Speaker 1: In a lot of case, Tracey.
Speaker 2: Jackson Davis had an offensive rebound put back in the
Speaker 2: second quarter off of a shot attempt when Anthony Davis
Speaker 2: had to come I think it was Jackson Hayes in
Speaker 2: this case had to come further out away from the basket.
Speaker 2: Steph holds the big man away from the rim. Once
Speaker 2: the big is away from the rim, it inverts the
Speaker 2: defense and puts a lot of undersized players around the
Speaker 2: rim trying to clean messes up, whether it's in help
Speaker 2: or on the defensive glass. And the Warriors did a
Speaker 2: great job of capitalizing on that issue for the Lakers
Speaker 2: all night long.
Speaker 1: And this is you know, there's there.
Speaker 2: Are these like phrases that get used in basketball coaching
Speaker 2: and basketball analysis that kind of seem like they are
Speaker 2: a little bit on the like cliche side of things,
Speaker 2: but they're cliche for a reason. And one of the
Speaker 2: big ones is playing with force and something that Darvin
Speaker 2: Ham talks about a lot as it pertains to the Lakers,
Speaker 2: and like it is a kind of like an abstract
Speaker 2: concept in the sense that it like like it's so
Speaker 2: broad and it covers so many different things, but there's
Speaker 2: some reality to it in the sense that the team
Speaker 2: that plays with more physical force on both ends of
Speaker 2: the floor tends to have a lot more success in
Speaker 2: every phase of the game. So for instance, like whether
Speaker 2: it's closing out on a shooter, when you close out
Speaker 2: with real force, you can force Lakers into miss three
Speaker 2: is the way they did tonight. They shot what twenty
Speaker 2: nine percent from three? They were four for seventeen in
Speaker 2: the first half. Right, you can chase them off the
Speaker 2: line and force them to drive into your help side
Speaker 2: defense right on the ball. Like, there was a stretch
Speaker 2: there for about a quarter and a half where the
Speaker 2: Lakers five out offense was generating a lot of really
Speaker 2: good looks, and the big problem was that the Warriors
Speaker 2: were getting into rotation too easily. They weren't doing a
Speaker 2: good enough job fighting over the top of screens, they
Speaker 2: weren't doing a good enough job on their closeouts, and
Speaker 2: so the Lakers were just driving and kicking them and
Speaker 2: getting good looks in their five out sets. But right
Speaker 2: around that middle of the second quarter stretch there, the
Speaker 2: Warriors just dialed it up a little bit in the
Speaker 2: level of force they were bringing to the situation all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, you know, like Klay Thompson, Clay Thompson
Speaker 2: had a really nice shift guarding D'Angelo Russell in the
Speaker 2: middle of the second quarter, where he was physical and
Speaker 2: was bumping him off his line and not letting him
Speaker 2: get downhill as easily. And then you can kind of
Speaker 2: put two and two together from there. If Clay beats
Speaker 2: d Lo over the top of the screen and stops
Speaker 2: him from getting to his spot, that stops the help
Speaker 2: from coming in. If that stops the help from coming in,
Speaker 2: that stops you from getting into rotation. And even when
Speaker 2: you are in rotation, they're shorter, easier rotations. And when
Speaker 2: you make those rotations sharper, you can force them off
Speaker 2: the line, force them into missus, force them into turnovers,
Speaker 2: and then the next phase of the force from there,
Speaker 2: once you've defended, once you have the defensive rebound, the
Speaker 2: next phase of that force is the transition pushes. And
Speaker 2: that's how they blew the game open. The Lakers were
Speaker 2: literally winning this game with three and a half minutes
Speaker 2: left in the second quarter, and next thing you know,
Speaker 2: you look up at halftime and they're down eleven. That's
Speaker 2: the wave of force that came from Golden State at
Speaker 2: that at that end of the second quarter, stretch. It
Speaker 2: was excellent defense leading to transition pushes, and then even
Speaker 2: in the half court, there was a lot more playing
Speaker 2: out of the post, a lot of Jonathan coming like
Speaker 2: Jonathan Cominica had a you know, one of the things
Speaker 2: I've been talking about with Johnathan Kamina is like teams
Speaker 2: are starting to bring help after he puts the ball
Speaker 2: on the floor. Again, this is what happens with player development.
Speaker 2: First you kick everyone's ass. Then everyone goes, oh, this dude'
Speaker 2: kicking it everyone's ass. We got to find a way
Speaker 2: to stop him. Well, it looks like he can be
Speaker 2: a little bit inconsistent as a shooter, and it looks
Speaker 2: like he struggles sometimes reading the defense when second defender
Speaker 2: comes over. So now you're seeing lots of teams. This
Speaker 2: stretches back to the Jazz and Clippers games last week.
Speaker 2: Now you're starting to see teams send that second defender.
Speaker 2: When Jonathan Kaminga has the ball early in the game,
Speaker 2: as Austin reeves on the block, tries to go through
Speaker 2: him and sees Anthony Davis there. Tries to challenge Anthony
Speaker 2: Davis at the ram and gets blocked right, learns his
Speaker 2: lesson posts up Austin Reeves on the left block. Later
Speaker 2: on in the second quarter, this time sees the double
Speaker 2: team coming and makes a great kickout pass so Brandon
Speaker 2: Pitzemski on the right wing and he knocks it down and.
Speaker 1: Like they played out of the post a lot.
Speaker 2: Andrew Wiggins brought a ton of force in transition and
Speaker 2: attacking closeouts, and as a result, they actually won a
Speaker 2: lot of phases of the game that they typically lose.
Speaker 1: Like if you go back to the Warriors.
Speaker 2: Game that they lost to the Lakers a while back,
Speaker 2: it was what sixty points in the paint for the
Speaker 2: Lakers and forty something free throws. The Warriors were an
Speaker 2: excellent team scoring in the paint.
Speaker 1: In this game. They had fifty eight points in the paint.
Speaker 2: They typically only averaged forty seven and a half, and
Speaker 2: they had fifty eight in this game. That is a
Speaker 2: much more sustainable brand of basketball to the later rounds
Speaker 2: of the playoffs. You gotta find a way to balance
Speaker 2: what Steph can bring as a superstar perimeter talent and
Speaker 2: use your wave after wave of athleticism to get baskets,
Speaker 2: easy baskets around the paint. I didn't think it was
Speaker 2: a coincidence that the second, third, and fourth leading scorers
Speaker 2: for the Warriors in this game were Andrew Wiggins, Tray
Speaker 2: Jackson Davis, and Jonathan kaminga almost all in transition pushes,
Speaker 2: attacking the offensive glass in the post and driving closeouts.
Speaker 2: The Lakers are fourth in points in the paint this year.
Speaker 2: The Warriors are twenty sixth in points in the paint
Speaker 2: this year. To this point in the season, that has
Speaker 2: not been a part of the Warriors' identity, but I'd
Speaker 2: love to see it become a large, like a larger
Speaker 2: part of the Warrior's identity as we get further and
Speaker 2: further into the season. I thought I was really really
Speaker 2: impressed down the roster. I thought Tray Jackson Davis again
Speaker 2: that shift that he had there in the middle of
Speaker 2: the first half, but I thought he just changed the
Speaker 2: tone of the game just by bringing that those hard
Speaker 2: rolls to the ram and just running the floor in transition.
Speaker 2: It's a good formula for the Warriors. Again, wave after
Speaker 2: wave of athleticism around Steph. That to me is the
Speaker 2: next step for them, because again, like you're gonna see,
Speaker 2: I think this team's dialed in from the standpoint of
Speaker 2: effort and energy and focus and belief in what they
Speaker 2: can do. I think we saw that before the deadline, right,
Speaker 2: like what they win eight of their last eleven I
Speaker 2: think going into the going into the All Star break right,
Speaker 2: so like they were already trending in that right direction.
Speaker 2: They're in a good position in the standings in the
Speaker 2: sense that like they're gonna get some shot at the playoffs,
Speaker 2: whether it's a play in birth or it's something a
Speaker 2: little bit higher. It's more important now to try to
Speaker 2: build out a formula that can actually succeed when they
Speaker 2: get into the playoffs and we know what Steph can do.
Speaker 2: We know what Steph can do. That's not what I'm
Speaker 2: getting at here. I'm getting at everything around that. You've
Speaker 2: got to find a formula on the offensive end of
Speaker 2: the floor that brings support to what Steph can do
Speaker 2: and to me, when you actually look down the roster
Speaker 2: in the same way like when you look at the
Speaker 2: roster for the Lakers, it's like you see Lebron and
Speaker 2: a D and it's like offensive skill is their next
Speaker 2: kind of you know, trait that kind of pops off
Speaker 2: the screen. It's like Austin Reeve's pretty damn skill Danseel
Speaker 2: Russell pretty damn skilled, Spencer, Dinwiddie pretty damn skilled, Rio
Speaker 2: Chamura pretty damn skilled. Like Torrian Prince for a bench wing,
Speaker 2: pretty damn skilled, right, But it's like that's the athleticism
Speaker 2: is not really their thing. And then you look at
Speaker 2: the Warriors roster and it's like man Andrew Wiggins, Jonathan Kaminga,
Speaker 2: you know, Draymond Green obviously is just like a super
Speaker 2: mobile big that can do a ton of stuff. And
Speaker 2: then what Gary Payton brings to the table when he's there,
Speaker 2: even guys like Moses Moody, they can bring wave after
Speaker 2: wave of athleticism on the wing. That is a legitimate
Speaker 2: roster strength for them, and I just want to see
Speaker 2: them lean into that a lot more down the stretch
Speaker 2: of the season. On the Lakers front, again, I thought
Speaker 2: their offense was really good for one and a half
Speaker 2: quarters and then they cooled off.
Speaker 1: And this is the thing the Lakers guards.
Speaker 2: They don't have physical tools that they bring to the table,
Speaker 2: and so when teams like Golden State really ratchet up
Speaker 2: that defensive intensity, they can have some issues. And that's
Speaker 2: we're not having Lebron out there. I thought, really hurt
Speaker 2: the Lakers because he just brings an alternative method of
Speaker 2: like real rim pressure. Again, Like a lot of people
Speaker 2: are off the scent of the Lakers as a paint
Speaker 2: attacking team because they don't drive the ball to the
Speaker 2: basket a ton, But they don't realize that that's not
Speaker 2: the only way you can get in around the basket.
Speaker 2: You can get in around the basket through hard rolls
Speaker 2: to the rim and pick and roll. You can get
Speaker 2: around the basket by cutting to the basket and get
Speaker 2: around the basket by driving. In transition, you can get
Speaker 2: around the basket by posting up a lot, and like,
Speaker 2: there are a lot of different ways to get in there.
Speaker 2: I have Celtics fans that are like, why do you
Speaker 2: keep saying we don't like we don't score in the
Speaker 2: paint at all. We're one of the biggest post up
Speaker 2: teams in the league, And it's like posting up is
Speaker 2: just one way to get in the paint. The Celtics
Speaker 2: in total don't score in the paint enough. Lakers are
Speaker 2: fourth in paint points per one hundred possessions. That's the
Speaker 2: strength of Theirs because they have so many different ways
Speaker 2: to get the basketball into the paint. That's exactly what
Speaker 2: I'm advocating for the Warriors to do more of, right,
Speaker 2: But Lebron James is such an important part of that
Speaker 2: for the Lakers, especially in their five out offense. They've
Speaker 2: been using him so much more in like off ball situations,
Speaker 2: whether he's like curling off of an off ball screen
Speaker 2: and like just bring in like a freight train cut
Speaker 2: to the basket or out of the post, like we
Speaker 2: talked about a lot actual screen and roll situations. In transition,
Speaker 2: Lebron just kind of brings another wave to the Lakers
Speaker 2: paint attack, and I thought they really missed that tonight.
Speaker 2: And honestly, like, I mean, here's the thing. I asked
Speaker 2: a couple of people behind the scenes. I'm like, what's
Speaker 2: going on with Lebron? His ankles more or less fine,
Speaker 2: He's just being cautious with it. But I don't necessarily
Speaker 2: understand the idea behind not playing him against the Warriors
Speaker 2: and then turning around and playing him against.
Speaker 1: The Spurs tomorrow. But again, I don't think.
Speaker 2: My guess is they were just trying to buy Lebron
Speaker 2: an extra day is vacation there, but I definitely got
Speaker 2: him being out of there was a substantial kind of
Speaker 2: loss for the Lakers tonight. The reality is, though, when
Speaker 2: the offense fell apart for the Lakers there in the
Speaker 2: middle of the second quarter, they had no ability to get.
Speaker 1: Stops at that point.
Speaker 2: Again, like one of the offensive lowls are a thing
Speaker 2: that happen in basketball games. And this is why defense
Speaker 2: is so important. Defense is what allows you to weather
Speaker 2: those types of storms. You know, if you're a strong
Speaker 2: defensive team and you go cold for a few minutes
Speaker 2: on offense, you might go from being up too to
Speaker 2: being down four, right, But if you're a team that
Speaker 2: goes cold on offense and you're not a good defensive team,
Speaker 2: you can go in three and a half minutes from
Speaker 2: being up one to being down eleven. That's how quickly
Speaker 2: it can change for you if you don't have the
Speaker 2: ability to control that end of the floor. And like again,
Speaker 2: the Lakers have good defensive personnel. Their good defensive personnel
Speaker 2: is just not their offensive personnel. And so as a result,
Speaker 2: they kind of have like this issue where it's like
Speaker 2: they can throw lineups out there where they have some
Speaker 2: athletes like Okay, here's Cam Rednis, here's you know, Max Christie,
Speaker 2: Here's Jared Vanderbilt when he's healthy, and here's Lebron James
Speaker 2: and Anthony Davis and it's like, okay, we can guard,
Speaker 2: but then they really struggle to score the basketball. We
Speaker 2: saw that when they went to that bizarre starting lineup
Speaker 2: there in the in the middle of the season, right,
Speaker 2: But then they can go to these offensively minded groups
Speaker 2: and it's like here's Austin Reeves and here's Dangel Russell
Speaker 2: and here's where we had Chamura and it's like they
Speaker 2: could score, but now they can't guard. And so it's
Speaker 2: gonna be on you know, not just the stars of
Speaker 2: the team, but also Darvin Ham to try to figure
Speaker 2: out over these last twenty five games, how do we
Speaker 2: bridge the gap. How do we find lineup groupings that
Speaker 2: have a combination of perimeter personnel that compete on the
Speaker 2: compete defensively, but also have the ability to kind of
Speaker 2: maintain some of the flow in their five out offense.
Speaker 2: And it's gonna be a challenge because that was a
Speaker 2: specific issue that we knew the Lakers had to deal
Speaker 2: with right after the Nuggets series last year, and Rob
Speaker 2: Polinkett did not address it over the summer, and he
Speaker 2: did not address it over the deadline, and so the
Speaker 2: personnel is the personnel. They're gonna have to find a
Speaker 2: way to bridge that gap. But right now, I mean,
Speaker 2: both of these teams have a long way to go
Speaker 2: to get to real bona fide championship contention. But you know,
Speaker 2: there's a there's a formula for both of them that
Speaker 2: are in front of them there. They just have to
Speaker 2: find that formula and continue to build it out here
Speaker 2: over the last fourth of the season. All Right, guys,
Speaker 2: that is all I have for today. As I said,
Speaker 2: tomorrow morning, we're gonna break down. There's MAVs Sons is
Speaker 2: a big one that I want to hit.
Speaker 1: I thought PJ.
Speaker 2: Washington did an awesome job on Kevin Durant tonight. Really
Speaker 2: excited to dive into that film further.
Speaker 1: In the morning.
Speaker 2: I'll probably do a film thread on that game. So
Speaker 2: check out my Twitter feed in the morning. There's Celtics
Speaker 2: Bulls was a game I wanted to hit. There are
Speaker 2: a Clippers Thunder I think is the other one we're
Speaker 2: gonna hit. We're gonnahit some games in the morning.
Speaker 1: And then that.
Speaker 2: Whole shit show between JJ Reddick and and First Take
Speaker 2: and the arguments about like sports media and like what
Speaker 2: fans want to be educated on and that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: I have some opinions on that that I've wanted to share,
Speaker 2: so I'll give that at the end of tomorrow morning show.
Speaker 2: So as always, I appreciate you guys, and I'll see
Speaker 2: you tomorrow.
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