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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind production of My

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Speaker 1: Heart Radio. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind.

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Speaker 1: My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Joe McCormick. In

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Speaker 1: Today we're bringing you some listener mail. It's been a

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Speaker 1: little bit since we did that, so we're broadcasting from

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Speaker 1: our respective laundry rooms and closets here. But we're getting

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Speaker 1: back in touch with you now that you've gotten in

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Speaker 1: touch with us, and to help us out here today

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Speaker 1: our mail bought Carney. Oh, he's gotten into a mess

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Speaker 1: of trouble. It seems that Carney has gotten into his

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Speaker 1: mind that he should create AI generated fireworks displays. And boy,

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Speaker 1: he can really mark off chain up a mess here, Andy,

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Speaker 1: he's sure can. I mean, he was always a little

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Speaker 1: bit explosive in the best of times, but now he

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Speaker 1: has actual explosives just his His entire fuselage is just

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Speaker 1: stuffed with Roman candles. Yeah. So it is with great

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Speaker 1: delicate see that we must remove your messages from from

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Speaker 1: Carneys bowels today. But yeah, it's all I want to

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Speaker 1: do when I reiterate just at the top of this

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Speaker 1: episode that it is always great to hear from everyone

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Speaker 1: out there, to hear from listeners. Uh. We we don't

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Speaker 1: certainly don't have time to respond to everything, and we

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Speaker 1: don't have time on the show to feature everything, but

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Speaker 1: we do read everything that comes in. Uh. We love

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Speaker 1: it when you provide additional inside or experience related to

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Speaker 1: different topics that we've covered, and when we do cover

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Speaker 1: quite a few topics that I think touch on the

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Speaker 1: universal human experience as well. Exactly right. But also we

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Speaker 1: we cover things that get into the very specific human experience,

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Speaker 1: for example, the number of people who have jumped out

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Speaker 1: of an airplane and gotten in touch with us to

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Speaker 1: tell us what that's like. So should we start with

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Speaker 1: this email from Kelly here, Let's do it. Kelly writes, Hey, guys,

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Speaker 1: I just started listening to your podcast recently, and I've

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Speaker 1: been shuffling around different episode topics that looked interesting. I

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Speaker 1: had to listen to one about surviving a ten thousand

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Speaker 1: footfall as I'm a professional skydiver and I knew you

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Speaker 1: would definitely bring up a lot of skydiving in it.

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Speaker 1: I know it's almost a year old, but oh well,

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Speaker 1: you ask what terminal velocity feels like. My best description

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Speaker 1: that I tell tandem students who are worried about that

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Speaker 1: belly and the throat feeling is that it is more

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Speaker 1: accurately comparable to the feeling of sticking your hand out

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Speaker 1: the window on the freeway. You feel supported resistance, and

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Speaker 1: when you exit a plane, you are going the same

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Speaker 1: surfing your hand like a wave out the window. When

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Speaker 1: you point your finger down, you feel you're slicing the

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Speaker 1: air and up gives you left. Uh. Fun fact, wingsuits

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Speaker 1: wing suit before deploying our parachutes and would be my

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Speaker 1: parachute out. My friends survived a wingsuit base jumping accident

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Speaker 1: of broken bones. But this kind of luck is almost

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Speaker 1: entirely unheard of. Love your show and I'm so happy

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Speaker 1: to have discovered it. If you ever have any skydiving questions,

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Speaker 1: my interview with bart Ermine on his book Heaven and Hell. Yes,

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Speaker 1: this one comes from our listener Ben. Ben says, hello

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Speaker 1: very cool texts in the original Latin and ancient Greek.

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Speaker 1: iota mattered an awful lot. So the difference there is

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Speaker 1: neo Platonist philosopher plot in Nous was and how important

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Speaker 1: find a good translation. That's it. Great episode. I love

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Speaker 1: all that stuff, even though I'm a pragmatic secular atheist

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Speaker 1: in the Judeo Christian monotheistic sense. Thanks, stay safe, keep

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Speaker 1: this next email we got about fireworks from Kelsey? Yes,

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Speaker 1: so when I can tell that Carney is particularly excited

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Speaker 1: An example could be quote, everybody wants this new Pokemon

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Speaker 1: toy because it is the hottest toy this holiday season. However,

431
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 1: nowadays it seems that when people use the term they

432
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,239
Speaker 1: are simply raising and suggesting a question. So, although I

433
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,119
Speaker 1: understand what my philosophy teacher was getting at, at what

434
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Speaker 1: point can we just say, Hey, look, this phrase means

435
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:18,440
Speaker 1: something else now, so get on board. Anyway, Uh, this

436
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 1: got a little longer than I expected. I just love

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00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:22,639
Speaker 1: the idea of words and languages and how we have

438
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Speaker 1: different ways of communicating. Thanks for speaking about this subject

439
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 1: and all of the other topics you cover. I truly

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00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:32,159
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Danny Um. Of course, of course, brings to

441
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Speaker 1: mind the frequent misuse of literally. Yeah, did this come

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Speaker 1: up in an earlier email. I think it did. We

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Speaker 1: don't want to shame you too much for it. Uh No,

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Speaker 1: I don't even know if we're allowed to shame anyone

445
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,880
Speaker 1: for it now, because apparently definitions are shifting to to

446
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:51,399
Speaker 1: the point where you can legally from a grammatical sense,

447
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 1: you can legally say something is literally something and not

448
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,359
Speaker 1: mean literally. You can say he literally took his head off,

449
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 1: or I literally wanted to puke, and it doesn't mean

450
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:07,400
Speaker 1: you literally did that, and it means figuratively. Yeah, I mean. So,

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Speaker 1: there are obviously these different schools of how you should

452
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Speaker 1: approach the use of words and phrases like that. Like

453
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Speaker 1: there's the prescriptivist school, which says, you know, here's what

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Speaker 1: it means in established you know, canons, and and you

455
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Speaker 1: should stick to that original meaning. And then I guess

456
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 1: there's like the usage school that says, you know, however,

457
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Speaker 1: if if people understand what you mean, and then what's

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Speaker 1: the problem. And I do I have sympathies with both camps.

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Speaker 1: I guess I will say against the prescriptivist school that

460
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Speaker 1: just says, you know, you need to use a word

461
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 1: or phrase to mean what it's always meant. I don't know.

462
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 1: I mean it's embarrassing when you realize how many arguments

463
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Speaker 1: full of passionate intensity really in the income down to

464
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 1: people arguing about what a word or phrase means. That's

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Speaker 1: just a mind meltingly tedious. So based on that, I

466
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Speaker 1: think language should be evaluated on the basis of its

467
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Speaker 1: power to communicate. Will the listener understand what you intend

468
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Speaker 1: to say? Then? Again, at the same time, I have

469
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Speaker 1: to admit, like I have a gut level reaction against

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Speaker 1: that kind of thing when I see literally used not

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Speaker 1: to mean literally, especially when I catch myself doing it,

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Speaker 1: I just feel like, oh, yeah, it's I always come

473
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Speaker 1: back to like a stand up bit that David Cross

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Speaker 1: had about it about how when you use literally wrong,

475
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Speaker 1: it's like, this is not just incorrect usage, it's it's

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Speaker 1: the the opposite of what is supposed to mean. Um.

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Speaker 1: I think that the example he used was, it's it's

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Speaker 1: not like when you say pen ultimate and you mean ultimate. Uh.

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00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 1: You know, I can easily get kind of worked up

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Speaker 1: over it myself. But at the same hand, I agree

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Speaker 1: that it's like like language is going to change over time,

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Speaker 1: and we can't you know, we can't get mad when

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Speaker 1: it does change. Yeah, I agree. You can't fix it.

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Speaker 1: You can't keep it stuck in place. That language has

485
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 1: always changed. It's actually a relatively modern invention, like the

486
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Speaker 1: notion that words that you must use words and grammar

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Speaker 1: in a certain way. I mean, if you go back

488
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 1: and read ancient texts, they do not follow consistent rules

489
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 1: of grammar and stuff like. It's it's more usage based,

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00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 1: it's more fluid. It's just like are you going to

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Speaker 1: be understood? Though, I will admit I I also this

492
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,159
Speaker 1: exact same thing about your philosophy teacher with begs the

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00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 1: question That one gets to me sometimes I know exactly

494
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Speaker 1: what people mean. I don't. I try not to hound

495
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 1: to people about it because people are gonna understand what

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00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: you mean when you say begs the question, you mean

497
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,479
Speaker 1: it raises the question. But yeah, I've got that like

498
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 1: stupid rhetoric brain where it's like this actually is a fallacy.

499
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,679
Speaker 1: Is the name of a fallacy? You're insulting somebody if

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00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:42,160
Speaker 1: you say they beg the question. But anyway, I I can,

501
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:46,639
Speaker 1: I can purge my rhetoric brain for a bit. All right, well,

502
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 1: what do we have next here? All right, looks like

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00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 1: we got a couple from uh Anna about our Slayer episode.

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00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,400
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, this is when we put out a list

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Speaker 1: of Halloween episodes from past October, the Haftober playlist. Yes,

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Speaker 1: uh so this one goes as follows. Hi, Robert and Joe.

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Speaker 1: In a recent Vault episode, you were discussing instinctive fears

508
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 1: of spiders and snakes. I live in Australia, here, where

509
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 1: there are a lot of spiders and snakes. There's a

510
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Speaker 1: very common spider called a Huntsman spider. They're very large

511
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Speaker 1: harry spiders. Although many people were afraid of these spiders,

512
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Speaker 1: there's also a common reaction to them that is something

513
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Speaker 1: like affection. A common nickname for them is Harry Huntsman.

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Speaker 1: They seem to like to live near people, like in

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Speaker 1: houses and cars. Often, if someone is showing up around

516
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 1: their house, they will show them into a room where

517
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: there is a Huntsman on the wall. Someone who is

518
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 1: unfamiliar with the area might point at it nervously and say,

519
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: there is a huge spider up there. The person whose

520
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: room it is will often say something like oh, that's

521
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Speaker 1: just Harry. Here in Australia, the spiders that are deadly

522
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 1: are much smaller than huntsman spiders. The part that is

523
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 1: scary about huntsmand spiders is the way they move. Somehow

524
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 1: they seem to scuttle and glide at the same time.

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Speaker 1: In fact, huntsmen have caused death, but because of the

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00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: fear and not the spider themselves. Spiders like to hide

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00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: in cars. Sometimes they will hide under the sun visor

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00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 1: or in the rear view mirror. The spider will one

529
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: across the windscreen and someone will crash their car as

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00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 1: a fear reaction. People have also been known to take

531
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: drastic action in trying to get rid of one of

532
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 1: these spiders in the house, and sometimes people hurt themselves

533
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 1: as a part of these actions. If I may add

534
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: um this, this has a real poetic quality to it

535
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: that I'm loving. There's like a I feel like I'm

536
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 1: I'm reading poetry. It's got a heck of a rhythm. Yeah,

537
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: we have a lot of snakes here. Generally the best

538
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 1: idea is just to leave them alone. I think knowledge

539
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 1: is the best way to combat fear. Knowing which snakes

540
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: are dangerous and which are not and what to do

541
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: when you see a snake is helpful. Secondly, I know

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Speaker 1: you have mentioned that in most myths about snakes, they

543
00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 1: are the enemy. One exception to this is Australian indig myths.

544
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Speaker 1: One of the common myths among Australian Indigenous groups is

545
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 1: the rainbow serpent. In this myth, the rainbow serpent is

546
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: actually a creator. The rainbow serpent is something like a

547
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: creator God. As it moved through the land, it carves

548
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 1: out the landscape of Australia. This is my memory of

549
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 1: the story we were told in school, so it might

550
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: be a bit simplistic or inaccurate. I hope you are

551
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 1: staying safe here in Australia. I feel like we are

552
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 1: feeling something like disaster fatigue. We have had drought, terrible

553
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 1: fires and heat waves than storms than the current pandemic.

554
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 1: Australia has always handled this well, but is still tough

555
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 1: for many people. Just when we wanted people to go

556
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 1: and visit rural areas to recover from the fires and drought,

557
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 1: the lockdowns happened. So many people are really struggling. Anyway,

558
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 1: I have gone on for too long. Now keep up

559
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 1: the good work. Anna, you know, often we hear from

560
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: Australians who sort of characterize it as the land of

561
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 1: spiders and snakes. It's sort of like the venom Continent.

562
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: But yeah, I really appreciate the spirit of gentle, illness

563
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: and grace with which you're approaching these venomous creatures. Yeah.

564
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: And I also have to say I really like the

565
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: poetic cadence of of this particular email. This one is

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00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 1: a real pleasure to read now, Anna. I also wrote

567
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 1: in in another email and sent along um photograph, writing

568
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 1: I enjoyed re listening to your episode about monster Slayers.

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00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: You were talking about St. George and how image is

570
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: in and make the horse look huge and the dragon

571
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: look meek. Below is the statue in Melbourne. I really

572
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 1: like that someone has put a plastic rainbow lay on

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00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: the horse's tail, and indeed there it is. Yeah. Uh,

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00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 1: this one's like all the other ones where the dragon

575
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: is you know, maybe it's crocodile sized. I mean, a

576
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 1: crocodile can be dangerous, but in this this statue makes

577
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: St George look cruel, Like this dragon could not possibly

578
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 1: be be captivating an entire village. It looks like it

579
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 1: would be a mild nuisance, like it keeps eating the dogs,

580
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 1: that sort of thing. Yeah, well, thanks for getting in touch, Hana.

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00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: This is great. Alright. On that note, we're gonna take

582
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 1: one more break, but we'll be right back with more.

583
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: Thank thank Alright, we're back. We got several messages in

584
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 1: response to our episode about fermented vegetables where we talked

585
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 1: about kim chi and sauerkraut. Uh. This was a message

586
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 1: from Jim and New Jersey longtime correspondent. Jim says, how

587
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 1: you doing, Jim? Jim says Robert and Joe. I vacation

588
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 1: for a month in Japan a bit over thirty years ago.

589
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 1: I ate a lot of sushi, unlike the sushi one

590
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: gets in the US. The sushi dishes there included fermented vegetables.

591
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: They were often bright purple or orange. They were great,

592
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: and I've never found them in the US. Maybe the

593
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: higher end sushi establishments served them. Jim. That makes me

594
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 1: want what kind of bootlegs sushi establishments have been going to.

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00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: Okay Uh, He says, I've made fermented peppers from a

596
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 1: recipe in a magazine. It was very much like you

597
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: described with vegetables and saltwater. Topped with a loose lid

598
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,719
Speaker 1: for several days. The article mentioned several times that this

599
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: was a perfectly safe process. The article included one helpful suggestion.

600
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 1: I liked this. It was a suggestion to keep the

601
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: peppers in the salt water while fermenting, because in my

602
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: my interview with Esther Miller, one of the things she

603
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: emphasized that was important to make sure that the fermentation

604
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 1: works properly and stay safe is to keep all your

605
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: vegetables submerged. They need to stay underneath the surface of

606
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: the brine because it's the anaerobic fermentation that's really important.

607
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: Um So, anyway, Jim goes on, right before you place

608
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: the lid on top of the jar, put some water

609
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: in a sandwich bag and seal it shut. Jam the

610
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 1: sandwich water bag into the top of the jar so

611
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: that it pushes the peppers down into the salt water.

612
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: Capital loose lid, and wait several days. Jim in New Jersey,

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00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: I think this sounds like a really good trick. I

614
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 1: haven't tried this. I actually have a couple of fermentation

615
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 1: weights that I use. Then they just sit on top

616
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 1: of the stuff and weigh it down. But they made

617
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 1: out of Are they stones? I don't know what they're

618
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 1: actually made out of. There some kind of clear material.

619
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:03,959
Speaker 1: I would say clear plastic, but they feel kind of

620
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: denser and heavier than normal plastics, so I'm not exactly

621
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 1: sure what they are. There's some kind of food grade material,

622
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: but I bet this water bag trick would work. All right.

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Speaker 1: Here's another one. This one comes to us from Sean

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Speaker 1: Hi Joe and Robert, longtime listener and occasional writer, writing

625
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: in you have previously read out some emails of mine.

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00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: I'm currently listening to your episode on Kimchi, which I

627
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: haven't have finished yet, so if I say anything that

628
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 1: comes up later on in the episode, I am very sorry.

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00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: Bad form. Sean, Come on, you asked near the beginning

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Speaker 1: of your episode for people's experiences growing up with Duryan.

631
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Speaker 1: I didn't grow up with Duryan, as I've said in

632
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: my previous emails. I grew up in England and moved

633
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: to Indonesia several years ago. But its hands down my

634
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: favorite fruit. The first time I tried it, it didn't

635
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 1: do much for me. It had a slightly off taste.

636
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 1: After that time, I tried to avoid it and hated

637
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 1: the smell. This was difficult as at the time I

638
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 1: lived in Jakarta near a big Duryan market. However, after

639
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 1: going into a Durian market with someone who is experienced

640
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 1: and choosing the best Durian, I fell in love. It's sweet,

641
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 1: creamy flesh combined with the flavor of almost every fruit

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Speaker 1: known at once. It's incomparable. I definitely recommend trying your

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00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 1: first Durian with an experienced guide, as if the Durian

644
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 1: is slightly unright, the quality of flavor drops dramatically. But

645
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,760
Speaker 1: a ripe Durian is the best thing ever. I also

646
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 1: love it when Durian has fermented slightly, so it has

647
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 1: a bit of a musty kick. When it's Durian season,

648
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: I love to buy one or two and eat them

649
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: together with my wife. My wife tells me how she

650
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Speaker 1: used to sit up late with her dad eating it.

651
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 1: For those who enjoy the fruit, eating it is a

652
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 1: social event in its own right. It's not just something

653
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: you snack on during your commute. I'm also loving this

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00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 1: episode so far. Being away from my homeland, I get

655
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 1: the occasional craving for English food. More often than not,

656
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: this is pickled food like gherkins still pickles, pickled beet

657
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 1: root or pickle lily, pickled vegetables with tumeric and mustard powder.

658
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,040
Speaker 1: I don't know if I've had that. When I'm in

659
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,720
Speaker 1: England on holiday, I stuffed my face with these treats,

660
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 1: you know, like a standard plain, old school yellow mustard,

661
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 1: not the spicy kind. Uh that that's actually going to

662
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 1: create a flavor somewhat similar to a piccoli, except a

663
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: pickle pick will have more discernible vegetable matter in it.

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Speaker 1: Got anyway, he continues, quote, I've taken to trying to

665
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Speaker 1: ferment my own foods out of necessity. You can buy

666
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 1: some pickled English foods here, but they're so expensive that

667
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 1: I try to make them at home. I regularly make

668
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 1: yogurt at home, as yogurt tends to be quite expensive,

669
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,240
Speaker 1: but milk is relatively cheap. I found that pickling foods

670
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: is not only quite easy and cheap, but often a

671
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: lot tastier than once you'd get in a shop. I

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Speaker 1: love how almost every culture in the world has a

673
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: variant of pickled food. Here in Indonesia, we have a

674
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: car or a car that's a pickled cucumber, garlic, shallot,

675
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: and chili, and a car cooning similar to a car

676
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: but with the addition of tumeric. This is similar to

677
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Speaker 1: the Indian hr which was also the inspiration for the

678
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:04,280
Speaker 1: English uh pick up picko lily. There's also a range

679
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: of fermented foods, including tempe, a kind of soybean cake

680
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 1: fermented with fungus, which I'm seeing more and more of

681
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: on American TV nowadays. Who I do love some tempe

682
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 1: is How about satan is um? Is that is that fermented?

683
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 1: I can't remember how that's made. I don't know what

684
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: is satan. A wheat is a wheat gluten product. I'm

685
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 1: not quite sure. Oh yeah, we need to look at there.

686
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,359
Speaker 1: There's actually an idea we've been kicking around. I don't

687
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: want to spoil the fluff on it, but I kind

688
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: of want to do an episode in the future about

689
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 1: our modern choices in fake meats and meat substitutes, in

690
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: which case we will probably get into the nature of satan.

691
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Speaker 1: It makes you, It makes you wonder what is meat?

692
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 1: What counts is meat? I mean, obviously, like a big

693
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 1: hunk of like a pork shoulder is meat, but there

694
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: are some products in between. Yeah, and then what's the

695
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 1: meat experience, like one thing I like in dealing with

696
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: say um in a vegetarian aternatives to uh to burg

697
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 1: to meet based burgers. You know, it's like, sometimes you

698
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 1: have an item that really captures the feel of of

699
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: a meat patty. Other times it doesn't really capture that,

700
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 1: but it becomes its own thing and yet is somehow

701
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 1: still meat like in its experience. I'm downe with this idea, Robert.

702
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: I think you and I could get very psychedelic on

703
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 1: meat substitutes. All right, all right, well, Sean has just

704
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: a little bit left here. I'm gonna run through it.

705
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: I'd recommend reading the book Got by Julia enders Inders

706
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 1: dedicates a section of the book to fermented food and

707
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 1: how this ties in with our love of the sour taste.

708
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: She also points out, and I can't agree more than

709
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Speaker 1: once you have tried a particular fermented or pickled food,

710
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: you will never stop craving it. Thanks for another entertaining episode.

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00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 1: All the best, Sean. PS. If you guys are ever

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Speaker 1: in Indonesia after the madness of this year ends around

713
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 1: January to March time, I'll take you hunting for some

714
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: good deer in Yeah, I think we're locked in for now.

715
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: But that's, uh, that's a mighty tempting offer. Yeah. Now,

716
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 1: does Sean mean at a dree market or like ranging

717
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 1: over the landscape for wild jury in I assuming means

718
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: the market experience sounds sounds that sounds plenty exciting in

719
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 1: and of its its own right. But yeah, because I've

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00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: had very limited experience with during but I've certainly never

721
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,919
Speaker 1: had an expert guide me. So that would that would

722
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: really be interesting to to have some top shelf Duryan.

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00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:23,879
Speaker 1: All right, well, that's one more door of perception left

724
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 1: to walk through, the Duryan door. Alright. Uh. This next email,

725
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 1: this one was short, but this came from our listener Terrence.

726
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:37,720
Speaker 1: Terrence writes about the Egg Chamber episode, specifically the segment

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00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: where we were talking about exploding eggs. Terrence says, I

728
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 1: have had the misadventure to have tried to cook two

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00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 1: raw eggs in the microwave. I cracked two eggs into

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00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,760
Speaker 1: a coffee cup and nuked them for two to three minutes.

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Speaker 1: When they came out, I jammed a fork into it

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Speaker 1: and blamm oh the cooked egg explodes out, hitting my face,

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00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 1: putting a blast path are and on the ceiling. But

734
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 1: there was still all the egg whites left to eat painfully.

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00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 1: I enjoyed what was left. Never repeated this again. What Okay?

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Speaker 1: So I'm trying to understand Terrence's message here. It sounds

737
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 1: like he's saying he stuck the fork in, it exploded,

738
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Speaker 1: burned him, left a pattern on the ceiling, but pretty

739
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: much all of that was yolk, and then the stuff

740
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 1: left down in the mug was the egg white and

741
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 1: he ate it is that? Am I catching it all here?

742
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: I think? Okay? If I if I'm understanding this correctly,

743
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 1: this would be in line with the the interpretation we

744
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: talked about in the episode where the scientists thought that

745
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 1: probably what's happening is that pockets of superheated water are

746
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 1: trapped within the protein matrix of the yolk, specifically the yolk,

747
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: not the whites, and then of course when it gets pierced,

748
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:51,399
Speaker 1: it suddenly flashes into steam, expands and blows the egg

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00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 1: all over the place pattern on the ceiling, that is

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00:40:54,480 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 1: I'm trying to picture alright. Anyway, this next email comes

751
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 1: to us from Matthias. This one was about the demogorgan.

752
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: Matthias says, hey, guys, I was just listening to the

753
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: episode of the pot about the DeMorgan and there you

754
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 1: mentioned Paradise Lost by Milton and discussed various texts and

755
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,399
Speaker 1: stories from Christian mythology, and all this made me think

756
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 1: about one of the most famous Hungarian epic poems or

757
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,439
Speaker 1: stage plays. This thing is a strange one. It's called

758
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 1: The Tragedy of Man by I hope I'm saying this right,

759
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 1: m Imray Madoc from eighty three. I don't know if

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00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 1: you heard about it, but it's a good read. Well,

761
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,839
Speaker 1: it isn't Hungarian. I didn't read all of the English version,

762
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:38,839
Speaker 1: but from the little I did read, I think it's

763
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 1: a quite decent translation. The plot is a strange paraphrase

764
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 1: of the Faustas story, where instead of Dr Faustas the

765
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,720
Speaker 1: Devil or whichever version of the story you like, tries

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00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: to tempt Adam in and outside of the Garden of

767
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: Eden by showing him the future of humanity, including the

768
00:41:56,600 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: Pharaohs of Egypt, the French Revolution, and a strange dystopian future.

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00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:03,879
Speaker 1: So there is some science fiction in there for you,

770
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,399
Speaker 1: and many more historical events in places, but I don't

771
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: want to spoil the whole thing anyway. Really love the show, guys,

772
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 1: keep it up. Now that it's summer, I'm at two

773
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 1: episodes a day. I know I have too much free time,

774
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:19,359
Speaker 1: but what can you do? Cheers Matthias from Hungary. Oh,

775
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 1: that's awesome. Thanks for thanks for writing in and so Matthias,

776
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 1: and links to three different English translations of this play.

777
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 1: I was not familiar with whatever you call it, epic

778
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: poem play. I was not familiar with it, but I

779
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 1: I looked up some of these translations, and there's some

780
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 1: good stuff in it. So there's one translation from J. C. W.

781
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 1: Horn in nineteen sixty three, and there's a scene where

782
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 1: where Lucifer or the Devil, and Adam travel together into

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00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: space so that we get we get space travel, and

784
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 1: Lucifer says, so high are we now risen from the site?

785
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:57,280
Speaker 1: First fades the beautiful, and then the great and mighty.

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00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:02,760
Speaker 1: To let length. Not else remains to us than mathematics, cold, remote,

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00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: And then Adam says, now fade the stars behind us.

788
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 1: As we fly, I see no end, I feel no obstacle,

789
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 1: without love, without conflict? What is life here? All is

790
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 1: cold and terror Lucifer. Then Lucifer says, if thus far

791
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 1: only thou hast the heart to go then turn we

792
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 1: back and play amid the dust. That's beautiful. Yeah, the

793
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:30,919
Speaker 1: Devil's taunting humans into space exploration, like, oh, you're too

794
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 1: scared to go into space? Well why don't you? You're

795
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: scared because space makes it seem like the only thing

796
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 1: that really exists as cold mathematics, Well why don't why

797
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: don't you go play in the dirt? Uh? And then

798
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,760
Speaker 1: I checked out one of the other translations by somebody

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00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: called Auto Tom Shay And in the final scene, it

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00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: ends with the I don't think spoilers matter for a

801
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: hundred year old epic play, but so this is the

802
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 1: final scene warning within it ends with the creator, the Lord,

803
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: giving exhortation to Adam and Eve in their banishment from

804
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: the Garden of Eden, and the Lord says, I told

805
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:10,320
Speaker 1: you man, fight, trust and be full of hope. Wow,

806
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 1: I'm so glad this was brought to our attention. This

807
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 1: is this is some really cool stuff that I had

808
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 1: just had no knowledge of. Yeah. Absolutely, I don't think

809
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 1: I've ever heard of this at all. So so thank

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00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 1: you so much, Matthias. I might I might have to

811
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Speaker 1: dive in alright, Well, speaking of outer space, I do

812
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 1: want to read this one from j D um and

813
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:34,919
Speaker 1: this is in response to our episode about the star Lack. Hey, guys,

814
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: I've been binging on your podcast since the two thousand

815
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 1: nineteen Christmas holiday, which seems quite a long time ago.

816
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 1: If the most important thing I can do is to

817
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 1: rate and review you, where do I go to do that?

818
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 1: I currently pull your shows from the the I Heart

819
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: Radio side, and there doesn't appear to be a place

820
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: to rate and review you. All right, well, well's let's

821
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:55,919
Speaker 1: let's tackle this first. We we do have to realize that, yes,

822
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: not every platform is going to provide you the opportunity

823
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 1: to rate, review and subscribe. Um. So, you know, don't

824
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 1: worry about it if it's not an option, But if

825
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 1: it is an option, it is something you can do

826
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: to help us out. Now onto the fun stuff, uh.

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Speaker 1: J D writes on your most recent post on the

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Speaker 1: star lak. Yes, there is a phenomenon where the earth

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Speaker 1: opens up and swallows you whole. And no, not earthquakes,

830
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 1: but sinkholes. This is a great point because sinkholes can

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00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 1: be incredibly dramatic. Um. So this is this is actually

832
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 1: a kind of a hole in in our research because

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00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 1: I can I can well imagine sinkholes, definitely helping to

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00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:38,800
Speaker 1: inform in places this idea of the earth swallowing people totally.

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Speaker 1: And then the second point the j D brings up

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Speaker 1: not even a passing mention of dune worms. Does anything

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Speaker 1: about the star Lack not remind me of dune worms? Hell,

838
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: you even made a joke, a spice joke toward the end.

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Speaker 1: Am I missing something here? Um? Well, thank you for

840
00:45:55,640 --> 00:46:00,320
Speaker 1: complaining that we didn't talk about Done enough. Yeah, as

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00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 1: uh I I do. I do need to point out

842
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 1: that I was tempted to talk about the sand worms

843
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 1: of Iracus multiple times, but I was like, no, this

844
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 1: is about the star Lack, like, this is the Starlac,

845
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,479
Speaker 1: the Starlacks time to shine. This is Star Wars time

846
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 1: right now, not Done time. However, we do have a

847
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 1: couple of Science of Done episodes in the back catalog,

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00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 1: one of which really gets into sandworms science and different

849
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 1: commentators breakdown of sandworms science and what is actually in

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00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 1: the works of Frank Herbert Um. So go back and

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Speaker 1: But again, uh, you know, we we don't have time

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