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Speaker 2: For me, I'm a man, I'm forty.

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Speaker 1: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to

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Speaker 1: And down and Tye, welcome back to the solid verbel

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Speaker 1: boys and girls. My name is ty Hildenbrandt. Joining me today,

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Speaker 1: the one the only Andy Staples from the athletic from

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Speaker 1: the Andy Staples Show. Andy's going to be joining, going

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Speaker 1: to be filling in for Dan who had some other obligations.

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Speaker 1: He's fine, just couldn't make it today, and that gives

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Speaker 1: us an opportunity to talk about something that I know

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Speaker 1: is very near and dear to Andy's heart, and that

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Speaker 1: is name, Image and likeness N I L. As you

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Speaker 1: might have seen it written about, talked about, tweeted about

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Speaker 1: out there in the college football world. It is coming

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Speaker 1: to college football. Love it or hate it, it is coming.

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Speaker 1: It's certainly going to alter the landscape in some regard.

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Speaker 1: Andy is passionate about the subject. He's got a lot

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Speaker 1: means for the sport of college football. So we're going

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Speaker 1: some questions. So yeah, let's dive right in NIL with

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Speaker 1: Andy Staples all right, joining me now, the one and

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Speaker 1: only Andy Staples from the Athletic from the Andy Staples Show.

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Speaker 1: It's been a while since we chatted, Andy.

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Speaker 2: How you doing. Oh I'm wonderful.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems like I'm only on with Dan because

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Speaker 3: that he calls me when you are somehow indisposed, and

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Speaker 3: now you are calling me when Dan is somehow indisposed.

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Speaker 3: So I am the Joan rivers of the solid verbal,

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Speaker 3: which I appreciate. You know, I don't know who the

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Speaker 3: jay Leno is going to be who squeezes me out ultimately,

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Speaker 1: Now, who has the strongest chin in college football media?

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Speaker 1: I think that would be the closest analog to jay Leno.

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Speaker 3: I think Bruce Felvin does. I think Bruce Flman is

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Speaker 3: a very strong chin, not a jay Leno chin, but no, right,

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Speaker 3: I do think he has a good, strong jawll line.

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Speaker 1: It's been a while since we talked to Bruce too.

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Speaker 1: I'll have to keep that one in mind. So look,

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Speaker 1: Dan and I we've been doing the show since two

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Speaker 2: And I don't mean that.

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Speaker 1: In a super skeptical way, right, Like, we're just always

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Speaker 1: thinking about ways that they could make things better, and

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Speaker 1: Like you've been on this show countless times talking about

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Speaker 1: it that brings us to name image and likeness or nil,

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Speaker 1: What it is is basically, players will be allowed to

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Speaker 3: Which which is the much more likely scenario the Instagram

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Speaker 3: And so you've now angered both political parties, which is

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Speaker 3: That's to get the real players in the video game.

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Speaker 3: really enjoyed being control freaks, right, and they enjoyed making

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Speaker 3: significant amounts of money while exercising a maximum amount of control,

438
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Speaker 3: to which I say, well, this is why you get

439
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Speaker 3: paid that much. You get paid a lot to deal

440
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Speaker 3: with stuff. So guess what now you get to deal

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Speaker 3: with them.

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Speaker 1: You get to deal with this.

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Speaker 2: So on that point.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people are concerned about parody with this, like,

445
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 1: oh great, Alabama's gonna be even more dominant now. And

446
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Speaker 1: I understand that perspective, but is it an also sort

447
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Speaker 1: of an existential threat to Alabama because their main appeal

448
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Speaker 1: right now to top recruits across the country is their

449
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:22,239
Speaker 1: gateway to the NFL. Now they've got to compete with

450
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Speaker 1: like South Florida Subaru.

451
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Speaker 3: I want to know what Miami player is the face

452
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Speaker 3: of South Florida Subaru?

453
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Speaker 2: Does he like to camp?

454
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Speaker 1: He has a couple of dogs, likes camping. But you

455
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Speaker 1: get the point right, Like there are new dynamics. Nick Saban,

456
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Speaker 1: if you want to use him as an example, can't

457
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Speaker 1: control all of the variables at play. And it seems like, sure,

458
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Speaker 1: while they're gonna get some big wins, there are gonna

459
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Speaker 1: be some outside threats now where this could come into play.

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Speaker 3: Well, and here's the thing for Alabama, They'll still have

461
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Speaker 3: the most attractive recruiting pitch and it'll have very little

462
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Speaker 3: to do with money. Now, what Alabama can pitch and

463
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Speaker 3: does very effectively and still will be able to is

464
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Speaker 3: we can make you a first rounder, and a first

465
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Speaker 3: rounder makes life changing money. There is no amount of

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Speaker 3: money in this nil equation that comes close to what

467
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Speaker 3: an NFL team has to pay and guaranteed money to

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Speaker 3: a top ten draft pick.

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Speaker 2: None.

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Speaker 3: Maybe somebody comes along, maybe Tim Tebow. You know, there's

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Speaker 3: a Tim Tebow who a senior year could could rake

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Speaker 3: it in. But for the most part, there's not anybody

473
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Speaker 3: who's going to make the kind of money that someone

474
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Speaker 3: who's a first round or you know, top ten NFL

475
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Speaker 3: draft pick is guaranteed over the life of their first contract.

476
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Speaker 3: So an eight figure signing bonus is a much bigger

477
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Speaker 3: draw still than any of this. So Alabama and Ohio

478
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Speaker 3: State still can sell that better than anybody. But I

479
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Speaker 3: agree with you where I think people are looking at

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Speaker 3: this wrong. Alabama gets all the best players now, but

481
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Speaker 3: maybe you could pick off one of the bottom five

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Speaker 3: players in Alabama's class with some cash up front. You know,

483
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Speaker 3: we talk about SMU. SMU was great when they were

484
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Speaker 3: paying players under the table. It's true they got some

485
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Speaker 3: folks who can who can afford some stuff, So why

486
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Speaker 3: not now. I don't know if you'd want to pay

487
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Speaker 3: him as recruits Again, I think that's gonna happen. I

488
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Speaker 3: don't think that's the smartest way to go about it.

489
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Speaker 3: But perhaps you lure a transfer that way. And I

490
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Speaker 3: know people say, wall you can't do that, Well, yeah,

491
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Speaker 3: you'll be able to. It'll it'll happen.

492
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Speaker 2: You won't be allowed to, but it's gonna happen. Sure.

493
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Speaker 3: So you know, if somebody's a great quarterback at the

494
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Speaker 3: FCS level and you're like, oh man, this dude's awesome,

495
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Speaker 3: We've scouted him, he's perfect, Well, you get him in

496
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Speaker 3: there and you get him some deals, and suddenly you're

497
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Speaker 3: you're a lot better now. I know SMU folks are saying, well,

498
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Speaker 3: we got a freshman from Dallas, We're gonna be great.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm talking hypothetically, but that's the thing.

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Speaker 3: You know, maybe Ole miss Mississippi State, those schools you

501
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 3: can't get a class of twenty five like Alabama Cannoral

502
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Speaker 3: has and you still won't be able to, right. But

503
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Speaker 3: the thing is Alabama can't get a better class than

504
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Speaker 3: it gets now, like they're still bound by the number of.

505
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Speaker 2: Players you're allowed to have.

506
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Speaker 3: You know, you can bring in twenty five new ones,

507
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Speaker 3: you can keep eighty five on the roster at a time,

508
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:32,640
Speaker 3: like Ohio State can't change that, So how are they

509
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Speaker 3: going to get a better class than they have now?

510
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Speaker 1: It's a really good point, and I just I agree

511
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Speaker 1: with you. I think it's very easy to go to

512
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Speaker 1: the worst case scenario with something like this, which is

513
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Speaker 1: new in college football.

514
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Speaker 3: But the thing is, you just have to think about

515
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Speaker 3: it logically, right, And that's the thing exactly. When people

516
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Speaker 3: say that the gap between the haves and the have

517
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Speaker 3: nots is just going to get bigger, I'm like.

518
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Speaker 2: How it's already.

519
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Speaker 3: How can the sport be any less competitive than it already?

520
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Speaker 3: It is the same three teams compete for the national

521
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 3: title every year, Like, it can't conceivably be less competitive.

522
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 3: And you could say, well, Alabama's just gonna make deals

523
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Speaker 3: so that guys will just walk on there and they'll

524
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 3: just stockpile like Bear Bryant did. No, they won't because

525
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 3: you can't get to the NFL if you don't play.

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Speaker 1: The other thing that I find really interesting about the

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Speaker 1: plight of nil, if you will, just in the time

528
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Speaker 1: that we've been doing this podcast, let's just say, over

529
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Speaker 1: the last ten years, I feel like there has been

530
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Speaker 1: a drastic shift in the way people feel about players

531
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Speaker 1: getting something. I remember when we started doing the podcast,

532
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Speaker 1: and we would get questions about it, and it just

533
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Speaker 1: didn't seem like whenever we would bring it up, there

534
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Speaker 1: was a whole lot of appetite for it. Oh, they're

535
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 1: getting scholarships. That should be good enough, but that has

536
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Speaker 1: progressively changed. I want to know how much of this

537
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Speaker 1: stems from people being pissed off that there's no NCAA

538
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Speaker 1: video game.

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Speaker 2: I think it has a lot to do it. I do.

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Speaker 2: I think you could make a case. I think that's

541
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Speaker 2: the moment it turned.

542
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you could make a case that that NCAA video

543
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 1: game series is the most influential of all sports games

544
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 1: because the court case leads to its demise. Yet the

545
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Speaker 1: demise pisses.

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Speaker 3: People in DA Sports very clearly said we love to

547
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Speaker 3: do this and pay the players. But and then they

548
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 3: point and then they pointed at the schools in the

549
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 3: NCAA said but they won't let but.

550
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Speaker 1: They won't let us. So people are mad about the demise.

551
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 1: But yet the demise is what helps shift public opinions

552
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Speaker 1: so they can start making the game again. Maybe it

553
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Speaker 1: paves the way for NIL.

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Speaker 3: I think I think there's a more macro thing at play, though, Tye,

555
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 3: I think that the salaries kept going up, you kept

556
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 3: seeing schools like it build these taj Mahal palaces of

557
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 3: of you know, football operations buildings and waterfalls and crazy

558
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 3: barber shops and recording studios and all that, and.

559
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Speaker 2: You're like, wait a second, because people aren't stupid.

560
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 3: Like people look at that and go, oh, they're doing

561
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Speaker 3: that because they have to spend the money on something

562
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 3: because they.

563
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Speaker 2: Can't give it to the players. Huh how about that?

564
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Speaker 2: That seems a little wasteful.

565
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Speaker 3: And you know the other part of it is people

566
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 3: are just waking up, Like this is the question I

567
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 3: always ask people when they try to argue with me

568
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 3: about this. I say, what is morally wrong with getting

569
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 3: paid for being good at football?

570
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 2: Like?

571
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 3: What is the what makes that wrong? I know it's

572
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:38,719
Speaker 3: against the rules, but what makes it wrong? Because if

573
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 3: you have a rule against something that's not actually wrong,

574
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 3: that's probably a rule that needs to be changed.

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Speaker 1: I feel like you and I are both on the

576
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: same side of the coin here. We both have been

577
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 1: for a long time. We've talked about this countless times.

578
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Speaker 1: What happens on July first, when when this thing hits

579
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Speaker 1: in Florida? Is it like Ghostbusters when the grid went

580
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 1: down and all the rules come out, what like, what

581
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Speaker 1: what do you think?

582
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Speaker 3: I'm thinking the rich Texan from The Simpsons just comes

583
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:08,959
Speaker 3: out firing both guns in the air.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like the money around now, I don't know. Are

585
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Speaker 1: we waking up on July first and it's like a

586
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Speaker 1: new world? What does this look like?

587
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Speaker 3: Here's the thing, There's there's infrastructure going into place already

588
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 3: behind the scenes. Like there's a company called Open Doors

589
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 3: that was that was founded by some former Nebraska football

590
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 3: players that has been basically a conduit for people to

591
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 3: pay professional athletes for social media marketing for almost a

592
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 3: decade now. And they've already created a marketplace that if

593
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Speaker 3: you if your school works with them. And I did

594
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Speaker 3: a story on this for The Athletic where it was

595
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Speaker 3: after the Michael Pennox reached for the pylon touchdown against

596
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Speaker 3: Penn State for Indiana to beat Penn State, and Indiana

597
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Speaker 3: works with the Open Doors And so I talked to

598
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Speaker 3: the CEO of Open Doors and he explained how this

599
00:30:58,880 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 3: would work.

600
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Speaker 2: Like Michael Pennox would.

601
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 3: Get back to the locker room in the nil is

602
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 3: allowed situation, he'd open his email whenever he got a

603
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 3: chance to look at his phone, and there would probably

604
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 3: be emails that had been sent through open doors to

605
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 3: him saying, hey, we'd like to make a deal with you.

606
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 2: We'd like to put you on a T shirt. We'd

607
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 2: like to do this. And like our friends at home.

608
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 3: Field, you know, they love the college football podcasts. They're innyanigrads.

609
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 3: They would love to put Michael Pennocks on a T shirt.

610
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 3: They're not allowed to right now, but they would happily

611
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Speaker 3: pay him to do it when they're allowed to. And

612
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 3: that's the part that they've just you know it's going

613
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 3: to happen. And so the key is how much infrastructure

614
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,479
Speaker 3: is going to be there in the initial part so

615
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,959
Speaker 3: it doesn't get too wild. And then how do you

616
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 3: handle on the back end because you know that they

617
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 3: want to have rules about this about well, it's not

618
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Speaker 3: for recruiting, it's not for this purpose, it's not for

619
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Speaker 3: this So the deal have to be market value, you know,

620
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Speaker 3: because you don't want somebody paying one hundred thousand dollars

621
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Speaker 3: for one Instagram post from somebody who has five thousand followers.

622
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Speaker 2: That's not a market value deal.

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Speaker 3: Well, some of these companies are working on trying to

624
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 3: be the back end for the ncuablea where they can say,

625
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 3: here's market value for that. We have established this over

626
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 3: a course of years using professional athletes and celebrities.

627
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Speaker 1: Of it's like the NBA trade calculator.

628
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 3: Right essentially, Yeah, it's exactly right, or spoke track, you know,

629
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Speaker 3: if you want to look up an NFL team's cap situation.

630
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 3: But that's what it is, so you can kind of

631
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 3: gauge what market value is. And I think that's going

632
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 3: to be part of the problem. But are not part

633
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 3: of the problem. But part of the issue will be

634
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 3: just figuring out market value in a market that is

635
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 3: still relatively new. I mean the influencer marketplace. We're extremely

636
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 3: online people, you and I tie and everybody who listens

637
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 3: to this show, so they all know what that is,

638
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,479
Speaker 3: but not everybody knows what that is.

639
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 2: And it's a.

640
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 3: Relatively young market, so market value kind of fluctuates quite

641
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 3: a bit. But you know, I think what you're going

642
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 3: to see. The other thing you're going to see is

643
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 3: schools are going to try to maximize what their players

644
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 3: can get under the rules, whatever the rules are. And

645
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 3: you've already seen schools sign up with all these different

646
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 3: people to work on brand building for their athletes. And listen,

647
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Speaker 3: if I am LSU, which has I think eight hundred

648
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 3: thousand Twitter followers for the LSU football handle, and I'm

649
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 3: sure has a ton on Instagram and other social media platforms.

650
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Speaker 3: I'm just getting their handles out there on those platforms.

651
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 2: Because I'm allowed to do that.

652
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Speaker 1: Well, so okay, pause there, who negotiates on behalf of

653
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Speaker 1: the players?

654
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Speaker 2: No, that will be part of the new They will

655
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Speaker 2: be able to hire agents.

656
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 1: They have to give them some form of business representation,

657
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 1: right correct. The other thing that I think is interesting

658
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 1: the schools might not be paying the players directly, but

659
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: there wouldn't be anything stopping the schools themselves from offering

660
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: some amount of assistance, right, whether it's marketing, whether it's

661
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: some advice, or whether or not a deal is.

662
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 3: Well, they're going to provide all the advice. And in fact,

663
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 3: it's interesting because this devetails with the case that's going

664
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 3: before the Supreme Court this spring, the awesome case Austin

665
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 3: versus the NCAA, where the judge ruled essentially that the

666
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 3: schools in the NCAA cannot create any kind of cap

667
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:42,359
Speaker 3: on educational material, on anything that is considered educational in

668
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 3: terms of the scholarship, and schools can take that to

669
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 3: mean whatever they want, assuming you know, the court has

670
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 3: ruled in favor of the planets at the you know,

671
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 3: original jurisdiction level. At the circuit level, we'll see what

672
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 3: the Supreme Court does. My guess is the Supreme Court

673
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,760
Speaker 3: will also rule with the planiffs, and so the schools

674
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 3: will then be free to interpret that to mean whatever

675
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 3: they want. And this piece of it, I think, I

676
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 3: don't even think you have to interpret that the brand building,

677
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 3: all that stuff, all the educational part of this, that

678
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 3: they will because a lot of this schools are also

679
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 3: trying to you know, help them with financial literacy and

680
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 3: a lot of the other things that are going to

681
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 3: come with it, which I mean they should have been

682
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 3: helping with financial literacy all along, and some have, like

683
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,879
Speaker 3: Ohio State has always always done that, but has done

684
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:34,959
Speaker 3: that for years with its athletes, and so I think

685
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 3: that part of it, you're going to see them try

686
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 3: to help as much as they can.

687
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 2: This is how you do it. This is how you

688
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 2: build your brand.

689
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,479
Speaker 3: This is and look, not everybody can do it. No,

690
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 3: now everybody has the personality for it. Not everybody has

691
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 3: the desire to do it, not everybody wants to be

692
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 3: that public. I mean, part of the thing here is

693
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 3: it feels like to make more money, you're going to

694
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,359
Speaker 3: have to really kind of want to be out there.

695
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 3: You're going to have to want to be an influencer.

696
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 3: And I think about some good athletes through the years

697
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 3: who just their personalities wouldn't really like Amari Cooper when

698
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 3: he played at Alabama, fantastic player, great teammate, great everything,

699
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 3: one and no part of the limelight one and no

700
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 3: part of the public adulation that you get for being

701
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 3: a good player at Alabama. And so I'm not sure

702
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 3: somebody like that would would be able to cash in

703
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 3: as much, even though that's.

704
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 2: A really good player.

705
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 1: What about players getting paid like independently for different work,

706
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: maybe outside of football, because that's always been a gray

707
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 1: area as well.

708
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 3: They always could it always had to be market valued.

709
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 3: Now that's a little bit easier to determine market.

710
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:43,760
Speaker 2: Value with the job.

711
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 3: I actually think if you if you want to just

712
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 3: slip somebody some money, it's much easier to pay them

713
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 3: for social media influencing because again there's a market for it,

714
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 3: but it's a young market. And you can you can

715
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 3: get away with saying, well, I didn't realize it was this,

716
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 3: and I didn't I didn't need to pay this much,

717
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 3: or and honestly, again just send to their cash app.

718
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:09,879
Speaker 3: I don't see how you can regulate that.

719
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 1: Even market value is quote unquote market value when you

720
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 1: talk about the influencer economy, right.

721
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 3: Market value is whatever someone's willing to pay. I mean,

722
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 3: if we're gonna if we're gonna go back to our economics.

723
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 2: Class like.

724
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 3: Macro one oh one in college, like market viue is

725
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 3: what someone is willing to pay. And so that's the

726
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 3: part that I think you they're gonna have a hard

727
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,399
Speaker 3: time regulating. And I've always said, just don't worry about it,

728
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 3: you know, don't don't tie yourself in knots trying to

729
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 3: regulate this, because you can't.

730
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 2: Once the genie is out of.

731
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 3: The bottle, it's out and it'll all work itself out. Now,

732
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 3: there's gonna be a few years that are that are

733
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 3: just nuts, and there'll be some coaches that say, I

734
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 3: don't want to deal with this anymore. But guess what,

735
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,720
Speaker 3: there will be plenty of people willing to make millions

736
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 3: of dollars to coach football trop place them.

737
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: Well, this is true, we know this much. Are you

738
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 1: concerned about any gambling angles.

739
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 3: It's interesting because the schools are the ones bringing gambling

740
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 3: into it. You know, you've got you've got schools.

741
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 2: Themselves signing up with sportsbooks.

742
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 3: Now, I do think, you know, if you go by

743
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 3: what Nevada has been like over the years, the states

744
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 3: that have legalized gambling tend to enforce stuff and police

745
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 3: stuff a lot harder than the ones that don't. And

746
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,320
Speaker 3: so I actually think the ones where you have legalized

747
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 3: gambling are probably going to be regulated a little more tightly.

748
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 3: I've always said, because the product that you're selling requires

749
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 3: the viewer to think it's a fair game that there's not,

750
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 3: you know, the fixes an end that you have to

751
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 3: have some really draconian gambling penalties for coaches or players, yeah,

752
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 3: involved like lifetime bands. And that's one I think I

753
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 3: don't have a problem with making a rule like that

754
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 3: because again, that's just protecting the integrity of your product.

755
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 3: And you know that's one if you're gonna let the

756
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 3: players make money off off this other stuff, that's one

757
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 3: thing you can draw a pretty bright red line on.

758
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,879
Speaker 3: And it's I mean because it's the same thing. I mean,

759
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 3: I look at English soccer, where you can bet on

760
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 3: it in every way, shape or form. There's massive amounts

761
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 3: of money coming in. The players make massive amounts of money.

762
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 2: I just don't. I also think the nil.

763
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 3: Stuff is a good guard against point shaving that sort

764
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:34,399
Speaker 3: of thing. Because these guys can now make some money.

765
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 3: It's now more expensive if you want to try to

766
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 3: buy them to fix a game. Before, when they weren't

767
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 3: allowed to make any money, it was much cheaper. Like

768
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 3: you could never get a player in the NBA to

769
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 3: fix a game, Like you can't afford to pay them

770
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 3: enough to risk not making what they make.

771
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: Now, well that's just it. A fifty thousand dollars advance

772
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 1: to miss a shot or a pass or a kick

773
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 1: is not necessarily going to be enough to make it

774
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 1: worth your while. Plus, in the day and age that

775
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: we're in with technology, it Vegas knows, they know if

776
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 1: the fix is in, they know almost in something's going on.

777
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, Vegas knows, and you know all but he's gonna know,

778
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 3: and uh, you know, all these different places where it's legal,

779
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:30,839
Speaker 3: they're gonna know. And because they're watching, they're they're they're

780
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 3: very carefully watching that stuff, and and so you've got

781
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 3: to be very I just I don't think that's as

782
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,800
Speaker 3: big of an issue, especially if you create a fairly

783
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 3: draconian rule. Now they already have rules against it. I

784
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 3: would just say bump up the punishments a little bit

785
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 3: because you've taken away a lot of the regulation everywhere else.

786
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 3: So I think if you say this is the this

787
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 3: is the rule, and we're gonna punish you very harshly

788
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 3: if you break it, but we're gonna let you do

789
00:40:58,080 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 3: all this other stuff that we said you couldn't do before,

790
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 3: I think people will be okay with that.

791
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 1: So I'll get you out of here on this. Andy

792
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: Staples again from the Athletic, The Andy Staples Show. Check

793
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 1: him out. We'll make sure we post all the links

794
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 1: to Andy if you don't already know who Andy is.

795
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:14,359
Speaker 2: What's next? Now?

796
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:18,280
Speaker 1: What's after? After nil? This has been a long time coming?

797
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 1: What what is next? In college football? That we should

798
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 1: train our attention.

799
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 2: On robot players who don't do that?

800
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 3: Obviously, if you played the Cyberball video game, that's that's

801
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 3: that's what you gotta you know, the faster the guy

802
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 3: is you make him out a lighter material, but he

803
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 3: can only take like three hits before he melts. We

804
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 3: talk about base Wars style or yeah, like that are

805
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 3: this game. I'm talking about. The people of a certain

806
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 3: age will remember it. The quarterback is the only one

807
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 3: that's not on like treads or rollers. Yeah, he's actually

808
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 3: like a cybernetic being. And then the other like the

809
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 3: receivers all have have treads, so they can only move

810
00:41:58,640 --> 00:41:59,800
Speaker 3: at ninety three angles.

811
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 2: It's tremendous.

812
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 3: It's very very Sega Master System one point. I think

813
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 3: maybe a Sega Genesis game. This is a Sega Genesis game.

814
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: Okay, you're talking about the Sega Genesis game Cyberball.

815
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, so I know. I think. I think there

816
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 2: will be a lot of years.

817
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 3: Spent getting people's arms around this, and the new normal

818
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 3: is going to take a while to get to, and

819
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 3: I don't think people are are quite understanding how how

820
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 3: big the change is going to be initially, not just

821
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,320
Speaker 3: with this, because like I said, the transfer role changing

822
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 3: at the same time, and I kind of I kind

823
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 3: of like that they're doing both the same time because

824
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 3: there's a little bit of a rip the band aid

825
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 3: off aspect to it. It'll it'll happen. There will be

826
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 3: some weird years, and then it'll be normal. And that's

827
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 3: what people who think that they want college sports to

828
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:56,879
Speaker 3: be the way it always has been don't realize it's

829
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 3: never been the way it you know you're thinking. It

830
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 3: is always changed. The rules have always changed, The goalposts,

831
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 3: for lack of a better term, have always moved based

832
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 3: on what the schools wanted to do, or some sort

833
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 3: of government regulation, or the schools wanting to make more

834
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 3: money off television. It just depends on what time we're

835
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 3: talking about. And so this change was inevitable, and now

836
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:28,760
Speaker 3: it's here. It just feels pretty seismic because the schools

837
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 3: blew it by not doing this in a way.

838
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 2: They could have made it more gradual.

839
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: Well, I look forward seeing how schools differentiate themselves with

840
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 1: having athletic departments that focus a little bit more on

841
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: nil and getting their players ready for it, putting their

842
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 1: players in a good position to make themselves marketable. Like

843
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 1: you said, not everybody wants that, and that's fine, but

844
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 1: I do think that there will be some gains among

845
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 1: some of those schools who really do steer into it.

846
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,080
Speaker 2: You're gonna be some fire YouTube channels.

847
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 1: Oh my god, there will be some gains to be

848
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: made by some of these smaller schools who really steer

849
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,280
Speaker 1: into it and try to set their guys out for success.

850
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 2: Yeah.

851
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 3: And the thing is, if you become good at that,

852
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 3: that's a that's another way to recruit. Yeah, that's something

853
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:18,320
Speaker 3: you can hang your hat on. And don't let Alabama

854
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 3: and Ohio State and Clemson be the best at that.

855
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 3: They're already the best at everything else. It's up to you.

856
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 3: This is something that doesn't cost you a fortune, that

857
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 3: you can do without having the massive resources they have.

858
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 3: So take advantage of it. Stop whining about things changing,

859
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 3: and take advantage of the changes. I mean, ty, we

860
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 3: talk about this all the time within the sport itself,

861
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 3: with the rules of the game of football, Like on

862
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 3: the field, who's adapted better to the changes and the

863
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:55,839
Speaker 3: rules than anybody else? Nick Saban like, adapt better, that's

864
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 3: how you that's how you close the gap.

865
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 1: Well, it will be interesting again. It takes effect July first.

866
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 1: My guess is that over the next couple weeks and

867
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 1: months we'll hear an awful lot about Nil. But I

868
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: wanted to thank you for coming on filling in for

869
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: Dan first and foremost, but giving some of your wisdom

870
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,359
Speaker 1: here because I know this is something that, gosh, we've

871
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:19,839
Speaker 1: been talking about forever, so it's good to catch up

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Speaker 1: and set the record straight here.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm hoping we didn't put everybody's sleep because that's

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Speaker 3: one thing I've noticed with this INIL stuff is you

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Speaker 3: write about it, you talk about it, people are like oh,

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Speaker 3: and then when it starts happening.

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Speaker 2: You're like, whoa, yeah, what the hell is this? So

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Speaker 2: for those of you who got this far, we'll give

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Speaker 2: you a secret give you a secret verbal. Am I

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Speaker 2: allowed to do this? You know?

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Speaker 1: I was thinking about giving Dan a secret verbal because

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Speaker 1: he was on a game show back in the day.

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Speaker 1: I think the show he was on was called Pick

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Speaker 1: your Brain with Mark Summers. So I was thinking, folks,

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Speaker 1: if folks wanted to have fun with Dan and send

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Speaker 1: him tweets about seeing a rerun of Pick Your Brain

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Speaker 1: with Mark Summers, or even ask Dan, was Mark Summers

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Speaker 1: hitting on your mom? That could be a fun that's

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Speaker 1: perfect on Twitter. That'll be our little secret. Andy woke

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Speaker 1: up Dan on Twitter. Our secret verbal is don't tell

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Speaker 1: him that we sent you, but just tweet him ask

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Speaker 1: him about the Pick Your Brain Reunion tour reruns. Slash

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Speaker 1: was Mark Summers hitting on his mother. We'll get him

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Speaker 1: confused here in his absence. Andy Staples, thank you, sir,

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Speaker 1: good to talk as always, my pleasure. Okay again, his

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Speaker 1: name Andy Staples. Don't forget to find all of his

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Speaker 1: fine work over at the Athletic and listen to his show,

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Speaker 1: The Andy Staples Show. As I said, Dan will be

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Speaker 1: back soon. Don't forget about that secret verbal though We've

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Speaker 1: never actually done it to a host of the show,

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Speaker 1: and I can say that as a host of the show,

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Speaker 1: so this could be a fun little thing. Again, don't

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Speaker 1: tell him that we sent you. Will be back on Thursday.

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Speaker 1: In the meantime, don't forget to check us out on

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Speaker 1: social media. Don't forget to check us out over on

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Speaker 1: our Patreon at forballers dot com. For myself Tye Hildebrand,

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Speaker 1: for Andy Staples, our guest of honor today. Thanks so

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Speaker 1: much for downloading, for listening, Stay soft,