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Speaker 1: What's up? Everybody?

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Wednesday Initiative Texans All Access from Monday Texans

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Speaker 2: Radio Studio. John and Mark with you on a wonderful

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Speaker 2: Wednesday evening. No matter where you are, Mark, good evening.

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Speaker 2: I know you are just a few minutes away. You

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Speaker 2: got a nice little uh you nice little dinner tonight,

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Speaker 2: do you not?

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Speaker 1: All right?

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Speaker 3: So the insider reception, which is going to begin soon,

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Speaker 3: it's gonna be great because Nick Cassario, I know you

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Speaker 3: had Nick at a luxe event last night after talking

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Speaker 3: about the draft.

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Speaker 1: Can't get enough of it.

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Speaker 3: We had Nick on the air last night talking about

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Speaker 3: the draft, and if you missed that one, check out

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Speaker 3: the podcast, because we asked him a lot of all.

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Speaker 1: Right, you're on the board, this is happening. What do

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Speaker 1: you do then? Kind of questions because he moves up

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Speaker 1: and down the board.

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Speaker 3: Every pit was acquired via a trade of some sort,

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Speaker 3: and you know, there you are. Even when they got Mertz.

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Speaker 3: He moved up a bit to get Mertz. And when

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Speaker 3: do you pull the trigger and say now now we

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Speaker 3: gotta move up? How do you work all that out?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 3: He talks about that and explains his decisions and some

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Speaker 3: things you'll never know because you don't know what he

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Speaker 3: was thinking at that very particular time. And I don't

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Speaker 3: think he's gonna tell everybody that, but it is fascinating

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Speaker 3: how much he moves up and down the board. And

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Speaker 3: we always point out this that in twenty nineteen they

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Speaker 3: had a draft with Brian Gaine, and I like Brian game,

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Speaker 3: but he did not trade any picks, no trades, no

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Speaker 3: the entire draft. And he had a first round selection

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Speaker 3: that year, which was kind of a rarity at the

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Speaker 3: time for the Texans, but took Titus Howard. Great but

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Speaker 3: no trades at all. And I found that interesting at

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Speaker 3: the time. And I also find it interesting that Nick.

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Speaker 3: I think if he doesn't make a trade, he feels like,

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Speaker 3: I didn't make a trade. What am I supposed to do?

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Speaker 3: I gotta make a trade. Got to make a trade.

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Speaker 3: I'm joking here, but it feels like.

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Speaker 2: That's the way it feels, Yeah, the way it feels sometimes,

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Speaker 2: you know, but gotta do it.

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Speaker 1: Nine trades.

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Speaker 2: We had read a stat on Saturday before we started

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Speaker 2: the show. On Saturday, Seawn and I were talking about

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Speaker 2: there were thirteen trades Thursday Friday total in the NFL thirteen.

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Speaker 2: Nick made five of them. There were thirteen teams that

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Speaker 2: didn't engage in a trade. Yeah, and you know who

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Speaker 2: made five deals? Yeah, no problem trading.

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Speaker 2: And I mean that's just it's interesting because I think

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Speaker 2: that's the way that he's grown up, understanding the board

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Speaker 2: and understanding value.

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Speaker 1: So I'm fine with it.

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Speaker 2: I was fine with the trade down out of twenty

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Speaker 2: five because it turned into a couple of players, Jaydon

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Speaker 2: Higgins chiefly among them. I thought that was a great

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Speaker 2: move to turn twenty five not one player but two,

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Speaker 2: which was which was great. There were questions and there

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Speaker 2: will be questions about well did you get a guard?

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Speaker 2: You need a guard? Is there a guard? And I

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Speaker 2: think it's kind of interesting because we're gonna take a

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Speaker 2: look at our buddy Jonathan.

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Speaker 1: Alexander and we'll have him on next weight. Do we

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Speaker 1: have to day? We had him on last night. We

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Speaker 1: had him on last night.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because Yeah, So we didn't get a chance to

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Speaker 2: talk to him about his fifty three man roster. He

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Speaker 2: talked about the articles to go check it out the

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Speaker 2: Houston Chronicle subscribe. Jonathan does a great job, but he

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Speaker 2: put together an early fifty three man roster Now our guy,

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Speaker 2: Sean Pendergast has one coming for the Houston Press, so

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Speaker 2: we'll tear into that too. But what about what Jonathan

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Speaker 2: has to say about the fifty three man roster. Now

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Speaker 2: he gets very specific position specific. Yeah, instead of the

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Speaker 2: I mean he did he it's a hard thing to

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Speaker 2: we'll get to that. A second quarnerback, he's got to

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Speaker 2: I think this is it's probably right four.

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Speaker 1: He's got Joe Mixon, Damian Pierce.

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Speaker 2: Darig and wwally what he marks fullbacks, Yaka Johnson. There's

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Speaker 2: also British Brooks to keep in mind, but he's got

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Speaker 2: Yaka making it British behind him. Tight ends, he has

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Speaker 1: Luke Lache was a seth round pick.

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Speaker 2: I think Lucas she's got a decent shot of making

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Speaker 2: this team.

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Speaker 1: Because there's a lot of game left in him.

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Speaker 3: For sure. And he only has three tight ends listed.

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Speaker 3: He's only got three listed. Now, I know you need

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Speaker 3: fifty three spots. You gotta get under that cap, right.

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Speaker 3: But if Lesha develops as quickly as they hope, and look,

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Speaker 3: I'm not talking about playing every week, he might not

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Speaker 3: be dressed right, but he'll be the kind of player

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Speaker 3: you want to protect. You're not gonna want to leave

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Speaker 3: him expose on the practice squad. And I know they

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Speaker 3: love Brevin Jordan. They signed him to an extra year. Here,

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Speaker 3: Cade's Dover, Dalton Schultz. We get it sometimes injuries. You

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Speaker 3: know this is going to factor into a lot of

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Speaker 3: these conversations. But I don't see a problem with four

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Speaker 3: tight ends. Now, you have to shave a spot somewhere else.

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Speaker 3: If you do that, can we get back to the

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Speaker 3: running backs? Are we going to talk about these right now?

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Speaker 3: You want to do the whole thing and then talk

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Speaker 3: about them, Well.

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Speaker 1: I was going to go to a position of need,

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Speaker 3: I want to go running backs here because four Jonathan

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Speaker 3: Alexander has Joe Mixing, Damian Pierce, Dari Gounbowale, and Woody Marx.

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Speaker 3: He's got British Brooks listed as a fullback. That's fair

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Speaker 3: because they kind of brought him on the fifty three

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Speaker 3: got a feeling this is going to be a hot

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Speaker 3: and heavy competition between Woody Marks and Darya Gounbowale for

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Speaker 3: I have a hard time seeing them let go of

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Speaker 3: Woody Marx considering what they invested. I know it's fourth

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Speaker 3: And they love Darry, but can wood he be the

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Speaker 3: younger day Darry's Now, look, he's not old, but football wise,

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Speaker 3: you're always as an organization looking for the new blood

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Speaker 3: and the great organizations have to be brave and bold

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Speaker 3: and make those tough decisions if it should come to that.

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Speaker 3: So I think those two guys kind of play the

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Speaker 3: same spot. Am I right about that? Whereas British brooks,

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Speaker 3: you could slide him in as a running back and

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Speaker 3: he can also play fall back and do some different things.

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Speaker 3: I know Darry is very reliable, but what he's gonna

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Speaker 3: get a chance to prove that he might be as

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Speaker 1: But that's gonna be one to watch.

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Speaker 3: And then Damien, look, damiens a kick returner, running back.

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Speaker 3: They definitely want his services this year, There's no question

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Speaker 2: Taking what you just said and knowing how much this

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Speaker 2: and still needs Dara because of how much he brings.

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Speaker 2: I do think that what he marks is coming in.

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Speaker 2: But maybe it's not Darry. It might it might be Damien.

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Speaker 2: It might be Damian, it might be Damien. So they

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Speaker 2: might try them as a kick returner.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: I think you're gonna see a lot of different things

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, rookie, and no question.

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Speaker 2: I five, if you carry three running backs, that gives

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Speaker 2: you the opportunity to carry for tight ends if you want. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and if you see Arv Smith Leche, they impress you.

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Speaker 2: And look last year, you know, we lost Brev in

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Speaker 1: And that's why I always kind of think of the

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Speaker 1: numbers of and it.

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Speaker 2: Always gets in that like, Okay, if I take one

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Speaker 2: and it's the one Hart. It's the hardest thing too,

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Speaker 2: a six linebacker because you need it on special teams.

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Speaker 2: You're getting more out of that position. So man, now

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Speaker 2: you've got to keep three running backs because you have

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Speaker 2: to keep a six linebacker. Who knows what happens in

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Speaker 2: Neville Hewitt. If Neville We're able to come back, and

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Speaker 2: how much he brings to the special teams part, he's

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Speaker 2: still out there. So numbers end up being kind of

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Speaker 2: interesting to me, and that leads me to wide receivers. Okay,

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Speaker 2: Jonathan has six making the roster, Nico Collins, Christian Kirk,

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Speaker 2: jayde Higgins, Jalen Nole, the two rookies, Xavier Hutchinson, Justin Watson,

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Speaker 2: and he puts in the others category. Now, Tank Dell,

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Speaker 2: and probably gonna be for most, if not all, the seasons.

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Speaker 1: Let's just put him out of the conversation for the moment.

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Speaker 2: Right, Metchi, Barrios, Wayne Johnny Johnson, and Xavier Johnson.

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Speaker 1: He's also got Daniel Jackson who was picked up as

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Speaker 1: an undrafted.

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Speaker 2: Free agent that we've heard sources say, we don't know,

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Speaker 2: haven't gotten the official word from the Texans. I think

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Speaker 2: wide receiver, just like last year, is gonna be the

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Speaker 2: most difficult cut again, maybe for a different reason, just

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Speaker 2: trying to figure out. We got these two rookies, you're

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Speaker 2: gonna keep both them. One's the second one's a third

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Speaker 1: I think they make it. I think those four, that's

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Speaker 3: And I've heard people, I've heard all the shows and

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Speaker 2: In another similarity, m hmm Waite Phillips came in in

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Speaker 2: they were running a new defense. Similar here, ni Keayley

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Speaker 1: I don't you know. But again you can't. You can't

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Speaker 2: You know, he's not in this long contract where you've

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Speaker 2: But I don't I don't see that with with anybody here.

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Speaker 3: If Barrios is not on the team, who returns punts,

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Speaker 3: jail and nol Maybe no, Okay, if Barrios is not

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it strikes me that Nick probably doesn't even know.

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Speaker 2: But I'll tell you this, Braxton, Braxton Barrios can absolutely play.

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Speaker 2: So if you get to a point where you're like, well, damn,

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Speaker 3: But maybe that hurts X, but X play special team. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: he's got Cam Robinson and Ursery at left tackle, left

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Speaker 3: He makes Dwayne Brown and Laramie Tunsel and everybody looks small.

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Speaker 3: he's good. Now, there have been some injuries that have

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Speaker 2: Hopefully that's not the case here, so you know, but

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Speaker 1: This is what you got.

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Speaker 3: You never know, maybe as Zach Thomas a tackle rises

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Speaker 1: He's still in this league. Yep, you when he's point out.

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Speaker 1: I thought deculous looked really good. It's good.

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Speaker 1: I didn't think that did anything for you at all. Okay,

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Speaker 2: Defensively, the the boy the secondary. Usually I would go

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Speaker 3: Here's something to watch out for. He's got four safeties,

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Speaker 3: like you said.

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Speaker 1: Ah, that's a competition.

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Speaker 3: Reid is gonna have to fight his butt off, huge competition.

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Speaker 3: your numbers, because what do they have?

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Speaker 2: Ten?

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Speaker 1: He has ten? Ten totals? Yeah, and that's probably about

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Speaker 1: what it is.

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Speaker 3: But you could go nine offensive lineman and ten DB's

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Speaker 3: and I guess you make it fine.

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Speaker 1: But that that is one worth watching.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So here's one. Okay, so I'm kind of going

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Speaker 2: to reverse order. Yeah, listen to this linebacker crew. Okay,

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Speaker 2: tell me when the Texans have had a linebacker crew

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Speaker 2: like this. He's got five making the roster.

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Speaker 1: Ten hold the linebackers?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Azise, Henry krishnais e J Speed, Nick Neeman. So

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Speaker 2: he's got a draft pick from last year and Jake

449
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Speaker 2: Hansen not making it. And I'll tell you this right now,

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Speaker 2: Jake Hanson has been anything and everything that they have

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Speaker 2: wanted in a backup blindbacker special teamer. If Jake Hansen

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Speaker 2: doesn't make the roster, that means that five is as

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Speaker 2: good as I've ever seen a linebacker crew.

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Speaker 3: Well, here's the key, Christian Harris healthy. Look, we'll assume

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Speaker 3: everybody's healthy for the sake of this conversation. And if

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Speaker 3: that's the case, then you gotta be willing to say

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Speaker 3: goodbye to Jake Hanson because Nick Neman.

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Speaker 1: Although can Jake be Nick Neman on special teams? I

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Speaker 1: don't know.

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Speaker 3: Nick Nema is filling that that Neville Hewitt role.

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Speaker 2: And if you get what if you're able to bring

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Speaker 2: back Newell? What if you bring him back? I think

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Speaker 2: you're at ninety now.

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Speaker 3: I could cost Nick Neman a job in this lineup

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Speaker 3: right here. But I mean there's no way EJ. Speed

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Speaker 3: doesn't make it.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: You know what Frank said to us, He said, you know,

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Speaker 2: he was like that Chiefs game has that's been a

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Speaker 2: burning chip on his shoulder ever since he is not

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Speaker 2: he those special teams are going to be good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So if that means.

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Speaker 2: That somebody else has got to lose a job, he

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Speaker 2: keeps Neman, keeps Hewitt, and keeps Hanson.

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Speaker 1: Somehow, those special teams will be nominant.

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Speaker 3: You know, Frank probably when he can't sleep, he's thinking

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Speaker 3: about that game. Yes, that was the reason, but he

478
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Speaker 3: didn't get his performance out of those guys that night,

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Speaker 3: that day night.

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Speaker 2: He knows it, and he has made it very clear

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Speaker 2: to them that they need to know it. So I mean,

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Speaker 2: if you say, say it's his ease in Henry Att start,

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Speaker 2: you got special.

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Speaker 1: Teams with speed ej Speed Nieman. Yeah, you keep Jake.

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Speaker 2: I mean that linebacker, that linebacker battle is going to

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Speaker 2: be a monster.

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Speaker 1: Yep. And it's going to be a monster.

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Speaker 2: He's got for defensive tackles making it Mario Rank Settle Togii.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so he doesn't have count to handle to make it.

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Speaker 2: But again seventh rounder, No, I mean it's it's good.

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Speaker 2: A lot of cases not likely, especially for a playoff team.

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Speaker 2: He's got six defensive ends making it now. Nico can

493
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Speaker 2: bump down inside. We know that, But argue with any

494
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Speaker 2: of these guys, Will Anderson Junior, Daniel Hunter, Derek Barnett,

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Speaker 2: Denico Autry, Darryl Taylor, Dylan Horton.

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Speaker 3: So casey edge group we've ever had, Yeah, it's gotta

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Speaker 3: be got him and Byrd not making it. You know,

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Speaker 3: you can still stash Solomon Byrd on the practice squad.

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Speaker 1: And here here's a casey two hill.

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Speaker 2: That dude can rush the quarter Really, he can rush

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Speaker 2: the quarterback like he's I mean, that's the level of

502
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Speaker 2: like what this defense has, which is crazy to think about.

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Speaker 2: This defense is just freaking nuts. Absolutely, he was officially retired.

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Speaker 1: I don't think so. I don't think he's officially retired.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's hanging out waiting to see if

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Speaker 1: anybody gets hurt. Look, I mean if somebody gets hurt

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Speaker 1: in that group. And look, Will was hurt last year

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Speaker 1: with the ankle.

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Speaker 2: You know, we've seen Denko obviously got suspended last year,

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Speaker 2: you know, but Dylan obviously has gone through what he

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Speaker 2: I can't wait to see what Dylan does now he's

512
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Speaker 2: had a full off season to get red.

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Speaker 1: Instead of, oh, what you do your first offseason?

514
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Speaker 2: Oh I had to go beat cancer before my second

515
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Speaker 2: year in the NFL. Now he ends up having a

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Speaker 2: full year, or at least a full offseason workout schedule,

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Speaker 2: because I think that guy's got something and maybe what

518
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Speaker 2: he gives you this year ends up giving you the

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Speaker 2: opportunity to be a little more flexible with this troop

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Speaker 2: point forward. But Darryl Taylor completely underrated. I think he's

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Speaker 2: gonna be really fun to watch. These guys will get

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Speaker 2: to the quarterback. Whoever ends up playing tackle for the Texans,

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Speaker 2: left tackle, right tackle, they will have been tested in

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Speaker 2: training camp, no doubt about it.

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Speaker 3: And when we do see training camp, I'm curious about

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Speaker 3: OTAs too in mini camp. But how will they line

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Speaker 3: up on the line. Is it automatically? Hey, Cam Roberts

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Speaker 3: to go out to left tackle. Just let's go.

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Speaker 1: Let's say that.

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Speaker 2: First group is going to be really everybody's gonna be

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Speaker 2: scrambling writing it all down, knowing full well they can't

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Speaker 2: say it.

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Speaker 1: If they exactly well, they're gonna be saying it. That

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Speaker 1: means will be saying it. I will say it, they said.

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Speaker 3: But imagine because last year, with Laramie not practicing during

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Speaker 3: camp a loot, they put Blake Fisher at left tackle

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Speaker 3: just to get them wet out there. But they put

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Speaker 3: Ursery out there at left tackle just so he faces

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Speaker 3: Will Anderson Denil whoever lines up over him eventually to

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Speaker 3: get him that experience. Well, look, it's no slouch.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 3: If you're facing barnead over there or whatever they put

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Speaker 3: on that side against exactly. But you know they want

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Speaker 3: to have a long look at Ursery.

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Speaker 2: You want you want to face the vets absolutely here,

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Speaker 2: and they're all vets that I mean, all those guys.

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Speaker 1: I listened.

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Speaker 2: He needs to face every single one of these guys

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Speaker 2: because they're all different, all unique with speed, to power

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Speaker 2: and size and you know, a plethora of moves. I mean,

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Speaker 2: how awkward is it to block Derek Barneatum. He just

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Speaker 2: whips guys. So yeah, he's gonna he's gonna get come

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Speaker 2: up and sp You know, Cam Robinson needs to get

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Speaker 2: the get those reps too.

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Speaker 1: He needs to face these guys.

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Speaker 2: Who Ever plays tackle is gonna get it in Trenny camp.

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Speaker 1: Who they're gonna get it.

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Speaker 3: Who's been signed as a veteran, who's not gonna be

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Speaker 3: challenged by some rookies.

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Speaker 1: Maybe Christian Kirk.

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Speaker 3: You could say, like, yeah, he gets a spot, but

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Speaker 3: these young bucks Man.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying Kirk's in trouble at all. I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying that. No, No, I'm not saying.

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Speaker 3: In fact, I think he's the he's the safest lock

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Speaker 3: maybe of the veterans they signed. Yeah, that's another conversation

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Speaker 3: for another day. But competition, you know, we talked about

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Speaker 3: Daray and Woody Marx and how that might shape up.

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Speaker 3: And I'm not saying it's an automatic challenge, but again

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Speaker 3: we'll be watching cam and and Tate ersery in a competition.

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Speaker 1: We'll be watching.

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Speaker 2: There's gonna be plenty of competition, which I think is

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Speaker 2: exactly the way that the Miko and Nick have wanted

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Speaker 2: this whole thing, no.

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Speaker 1: Question, All right, we come back, We're going in the Lab.

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Speaker 2: Drew Dorny did a hell of a job interviewing every

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Speaker 2: draft pick after they were drafted. We'll get Drew's thoughts

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Speaker 2: on that. I'll follow up with some of my thoughts

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Speaker 2: on each one of the guys as well. Next on

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Speaker 2: Texans All Access, What's happened Everybody? Welcome back to Wednesday

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Speaker 2: edition of Texans All Access from the Honday Texans the

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Speaker 2: Radio Studio.

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Speaker 1: I am your host, John.

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Speaker 2: Harris, football analyst, sideline reporter, and one half of the

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Speaker 2: in Lab podcast from a man Drew Doherty. Now, after

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Speaker 2: every pick was made, obviously you had to listen to

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Speaker 2: Meo Pine about each pick. But Drew Doherty actually had

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Speaker 2: a chance to sit down one on one with each

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Speaker 2: of the draft picks. So Drew and I just went

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Speaker 2: in order and talked about our experience, Drew's experience with

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Speaker 2: interviewing each guy, and then one little interesting nugget from

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Speaker 2: each not only the conversation but just the pick.

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Speaker 1: And here's what we had to say on in the lap.

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Speaker 5: Players have been picked nine total, and medicine balls are

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Speaker 5: flying here inside in RG Stadium. This is in the

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Speaker 5: Lab presented by Infinity Me, Drew Doherty, John Harrison, you

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Speaker 5: our third friend listening watching whichever one you're choosing to do.

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Speaker 5: We appreciate that. But yeah, the medicine balls. John twenty yards.

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Speaker 5: That way is the weight room, and sometimes outside the

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Speaker 5: weight room they'll throw medicine balls against the wall. So

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Speaker 5: I didn't see which players are out there right now,

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Speaker 5: but I mean a lot of them too much. Everybody

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Speaker 5: that's that matters. They're all here and they're all working out.

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Speaker 1: Yep. It's been really cool to see how many guys

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Speaker 1: are here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is, as we've said many times, voluntary, and

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Speaker 2: there had been a lot of Texans stars in the

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Speaker 2: past that were like, it's voluntary be there when I

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Speaker 2: need to.

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Speaker 1: These guys have been more along the lines of, hey.

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Speaker 2: This is a this is as the way we can

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Speaker 2: get together and we can you know, compete as a team.

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Speaker 4: Darren Hambrick saying, what do voluntary mean?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, that's.

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Speaker 4: You've got to be old if you remember that one.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, two thousand and two thousand and one, ish

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Speaker 5: Darren Hambrick, a linebacker for the Cowboys, didn't show up

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Speaker 5: for voluntary workouts or something.

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Speaker 1: He was a piece of work.

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Speaker 5: Now, voluntary mean he had his little brother, Troy Hambrick,

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Speaker 5: pretty good running back years.

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Speaker 2: But that's right, Yeah, yeah, it's so it's voluntary. But

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Speaker 2: guys are here, and look, it's it's not everybody. You know,

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Speaker 2: people have some family situations or whatever. But there's been

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Speaker 2: a really considered effort to get together and be with

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Speaker 2: the guys. And man, you walked on like I walked

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Speaker 2: probably about an hour and a half ago, down.

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Speaker 1: The hallway and just boom, there's a guy. There's a guy. There,

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Speaker 1: there's a vet. There's just to give.

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Speaker 5: An example, somebody asked me on h fans want to

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Speaker 5: know kind of it's the what you used to be,

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Speaker 5: Dear Drew, Hey, who's not here at involuntary workouts or

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Speaker 5: voluntary workouts.

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Speaker 4: I was like, I don't know. I mean, I've seen CJ.

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Speaker 5: Stroud, I've seen Nico Collins, Derek Stingley, Will Anderson Junior,

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Speaker 5: all the veterans, you know, the new guys that have signed.

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Speaker 5: Garter Johnson you heard from him last. I mean, everybody's

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Speaker 5: here that I know of. I'm sure it's like you said,

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Speaker 5: there might be some guys that that have missed it

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Speaker 5: there too, but I still know who they are. Anyways,

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Speaker 5: let's get into the draft and we're gonna do nine

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Speaker 5: things that stand out to me, and it's peculiar little things,

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Speaker 5: and then you're gonna you're gonna add on to it.

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Speaker 4: But it's each pick.

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Speaker 5: And I got one thing about him, and it's wild

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Speaker 5: that the Texans took nine guys, by the way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, Ace. We went in with eight.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I knew the numbers at the time, but yeah, eight, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: So we went in with eight, came out with nine.

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Speaker 4: All right, do we go in with eight or do

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Speaker 4: we go yeah?

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Speaker 5: Because we had four of the first three rounds, right,

653
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Speaker 5: and then we had which is yeah after that, No,

654
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 5: you're right, Yeah, you're right, it was eight seven with

655
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 5: a bunch of said anyways, Okay, let's start off with

656
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 5: the big fella right off the top, and I say,

657
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 5: big Jaye Higgins.

658
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 4: His dimensions is what stood out to me.

659
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 5: And it's everyone's saying, oh, he's a carbon copy of

660
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 5: Nico Collins. And instantly when I hear someone compare a

661
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 5: guy to another guy, I instantly recoil.

662
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 4: And say, he's he's his own mate. He's gonna be different.

663
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 4: It doesn't matter, but darn it.

664
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 5: Like looking at it, looking at this guy's size, looking

665
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 5: at his speed, looking at what he did on the field,

666
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 5: those are a lot of Nico Collins esque stats and numbers.

667
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 5: And I'm fine, I'll take seventeen Nico Collins on a team.

668
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 5: There's I saw this idea out there that he can't

669
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 5: have two of the same guy. Sure he can, Sure

670
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 5: you can, you absolutely can. I'll take as many Nico

671
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 5: Collins as you'll give me, because I mean, he's the

672
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 5: definition of swarm in one dude. I mean it takes

673
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 5: six guys to bring him down. He catches the ball

674
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 5: and then chooses violence in the most violent way he

675
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 5: can and gets all that extra yardage and he can

676
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 5: run by guys. Somebody on Twitter, Ian hartzit's had a

677
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 5: he had a really good tweet last night. We're shooting

678
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 5: this on a Wednesday morning. He said, look at what

679
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 5: Nico Collins was doing before the injury against the Bills.

680
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, he was pace for two thousand yards. Now

681
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 5: was that fled up dominating?

682
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 4: We'll see. But he was lighting it up.

683
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 5: And the last catch he had before he got injured

684
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 5: was what seventy five yard touchdown, took it to the house.

685
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 5: So is there a can can he do this? Can

686
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 5: Jayden Higgins do this? We'll see. I mean that's a

687
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 5: big bar to clear. But man, I like all the

688
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 5: numbers and the stuff backing it up that made the

689
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 5: Texans choose him. Because the numbers was one little, smart,

690
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 5: small component of why they chose him. There's all sorts

691
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 5: of other stuff that they've seen over the years that

692
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 5: they like.

693
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 2: I mean, think about it, is Drew and you know

694
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 2: how to do these things. I do a player comp

695
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 2: I did. I probably did about one hundred and fifty

696
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 2: player compsh football takeover at com and so immediately when

697
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 2: I got back from the Senior Bowl, I didn't based

698
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 2: it on really other than the only kind of numerical

699
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 2: comparison was kind of the size comparison, like one guy

700
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 2: six fourteen, But it was just the way that he played,

701
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 2: the way that he carried himself, the way that he

702
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 2: won as a receiver. I came back from the Senior

703
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 2: Bowl and I just, you know, I've got a seven

704
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 2: and a half eight hour drive home, and I'm thinking

705
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 2: about all that I've seen, and I'm like, oh, man, Okay,

706
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 2: Higgins is Higgins is Nico. Man, There's no doubt, just

707
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 2: the way they move, how fluid they are. And I remembered,

708
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 2: you know, Jaden, I thought I had a good Senior Bowl.

709
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 2: And what stood out to me was the fact that

710
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 2: when when Nico went to his Senior Bowl, he had

711
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 2: not played for a whole year, and so Nico did

712
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 2: not have a great Senior Bowl. I remember coming out

713
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 2: of there, I was really excited to see him because

714
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 2: he hadn't played that year and I was getting to

715
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 2: see him up close.

716
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 4: Such a peculiar circumstances.

717
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: And I had an agent.

718
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 2: I had an agent tell me at some point he

719
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 2: was like, during that Senior Bowl, defensive backs are kind

720
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 2: of fighting themselves to go on the field with Nico

721
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,239
Speaker 2: and because they felt like they could just destroy this

722
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 2: big physical receiver from out of Michigan. Those And it's

723
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 2: funny because I try and buy some gear from the

724
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 2: Senior Bowl hats and you know, winter caps and you

725
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 2: know long sleeves and hoodies and all that, and so

726
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 2: they were selling a long sleeve on the back was

727
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 2: the entire roster.

728
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: And I pulled it out of my closet. This is

729
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: back during the season.

730
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 2: I pulled it out in my closet and I was like,

731
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 2: oh yeah, And I went looking at the names and

732
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 2: I was like, none of those receivers have done a

733
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 2: damn thing. They haven't busted a grape and a fruit flight.

734
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 2: They have just done nothing. And then there's Nico. And

735
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 2: it's just funny because at the Senior Bowl there were all, oh,

736
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 2: this guy, that guy. Now, if I remember correctly, I

737
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 2: think Christian Watson was there, but they can't remember exactly.

738
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 1: But I just remember a litany of those guys like nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, Nico.

739
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 5: So do you remember if the dbs that were fighting,

740
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 5: you know, do you remember have I'm guessing a few

741
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 5: of them have done some nice things.

742
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, No, the DB's weren't.

743
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 2: The DB's weren't very good in that in that if

744
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 2: I remember correctly, in that Senior Bowl for some reason,

745
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 2: but I gotta go look the back of my shirt again, yeah,

746
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 2: to see that. But that was to me, that was

747
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 2: just a the way that Higgins plays the way Nico plays, Like,

748
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 2: I can see the comparison, so okay, size wise, it fits,

749
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 2: and that's where I start with it. For me, I

750
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 2: start with size, like, how similar are the sizes because

751
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 2: I'm not going to compare Jaden Higgins to Maurice Jones Drew.

752
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna, you know, in the way even though

753
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 2: the play is simple. No, no, no, I'm gonna compare.

754
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 2: Start with size, and then from there I'll go, Okay,

755
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 2: how do their play styles? Are their play styles similar?

756
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 2: Do they win and kind of the same way? And

757
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 2: I came out of that Senior Bowl thinking, yeah, they do.

758
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 2: And so that's that's where I came up with the

759
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 2: competate and Higgins for Nico like and I know I

760
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 2: I wasn't alone with that, but they just and I

761
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 2: had that back in January when I got back from

762
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 2: the Senior Like, that was immediate, like I wrote up

763
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 2: his report Boom Nico Collins, and I was.

764
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: Like, that's easy.

765
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 2: As soon as if I can knock out a comp, easy, Boom,

766
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 2: moving on the next, because they're they're not easy after

767
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,359
Speaker 2: a while, like dang and I and I try and mock,

768
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,320
Speaker 2: I try and come up with a comp that's different

769
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,839
Speaker 2: for every receiver, every player in a draft. So I

770
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 2: won't comp Nico to five different guys that are six, four, two, ten.

771
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 2: Nico only goes to one. And sometimes it's hard, and

772
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 2: there's some guys I just won't.

773
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: I won't comp too.

774
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 2: And as Nico gets maybe a little bit better, I

775
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 2: probably won't comp anybody to Nico.

776
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: Because he would just be at that level. Like I'll

777
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: never comp anybody to J. J. Watt.

778
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 4: Did you comp Brock Osweller to Dan McGuire.

779
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know. I didn't do a comp

780
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: back then.

781
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 2: But it's funny because with Brock I didn't like him

782
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:26,879
Speaker 2: out of Arizona State.

783
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:27,959
Speaker 4: I remember, yea, that's what I was saying.

784
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't like him at all, And when he

785
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,720
Speaker 2: signed here, it was like I had this push pull

786
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 2: of man, my either my either my draft report is wrong,

787
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 2: yeah or my positive vibe about bra was gonna be wrong.

788
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 1: And you know, yeah, God bless brock Man.

789
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 2: He's a nice dude. I've gotten I've gotten to talk

790
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 2: to him a few times since. He's been great, So

791
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna say a bad thing about brock All good,

792
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:50,919
Speaker 2: all good.

793
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 4: Uh. I was in my Damn McGuire was just like

794
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 4: there booth.

795
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 2: No, that's a great comp that's an absolutely perfect comp.

796
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 5: We'll go old here on in the labt ife of

797
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 5: you don't know what we're talking about.

798
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 4: That's fine, it's all good. It's all good.

799
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 5: But a few of you old people like Dave Howard

800
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 5: probably got that. Dave okay, tay Ersree okay. And by

801
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 5: the way, I got to interview all of these guys

802
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 5: except for Keante Hamilton and Luke Lache and everyone is

803
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,439
Speaker 5: in that honeymoon phase when you talk to him five

804
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 5: minutes after being drafted and as pleasant as can be.

805
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 4: It was awesome.

806
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 5: And I'm sure they are pleasant guys, but it was

807
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 5: really really cool talking to these guys.

808
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:29,800
Speaker 4: Tay Ersree.

809
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 5: Athletically played hoops, didn't play basketball till or excuse me,

810
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 5: didn't play football till sophomore junior year in high school

811
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:40,439
Speaker 5: went to a Kansas City area high school.

812
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 4: We took three guys from the Kansas City area.

813
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:43,919
Speaker 1: That's how you be chief.

814
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 4: So very athletic A because he could hoop. He was

815
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 4: also a thrower.

816
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,800
Speaker 5: And when I say thrower, he didn't just throw the

817
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 5: shot put, because he did. He didn't just do the discuss,

818
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 5: because he did that too. He also threw the javelin,

819
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,439
Speaker 5: which have you ever thrown a javelin on It's.

820
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 2: Not easy, No one of my buddies that I was

821
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 2: telling you about it. He threw javelin at A and M.

822
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 5: He did all three of those parts. So that's another

823
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 5: component to the athleticism. And then he was a dancing

824
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 5: bear at left tackle. But the thing that stood out

825
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 5: to me the most was the number of starts. It's

826
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 5: like high thirties in his career at left tackle alone.

827
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 5: And last season in a conference with the likes of

828
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 5: Josh Simmons, Donovan Jackson, a whole lot of others, this guy,

829
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 5: tay Ersary was the conference offensive Linemen of the year.

830
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 4: That's what stood out to me.

831
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 5: That's the and I'm just going with like first, when

832
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 5: I think about these guys, now, this is what I

833
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 5: think of. That's pretty cool, man.

834
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 2: It is absolutely And when I when I there are

835
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 2: a couple of you know, I build my database, like

836
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 2: I literally spent yesterday starting my twenty twenty six database

837
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 2: for the draft.

838
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 1: And I go to team rosters, I go to all

839
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 1: americal lists that just start.

840
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 4: Yeah.

841
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 2: Well, one of the places that I go and I

842
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 2: use because it points out the athleticism is Bruce Feldman's

843
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 2: Freaks List.

844
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 4: Yep.

845
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 2: And so last year on Bruce Feldman's Freaks List, Ariante

846
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 2: was at twenty five, Tay was at twenty five, and

847
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 2: they talked about, you know, against Ohio State, he only

848
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,280
Speaker 2: he allowed one pressure on twenty three pass blocking snaps

849
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 2: against Sawyer and Tui moloout.

850
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: Then Bruce said this.

851
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 2: Ursery squaded six hundred and forty pounds, bench pressed four

852
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 2: to twelve and did a four hundred and nine pound

853
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:40,240
Speaker 2: hand clean this offseason. Like if you've ever done hand cleans,

854
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 2: Like when I was at Brown a lot we did

855
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:42,240
Speaker 2: hand cleans.

856
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:43,879
Speaker 4: Again.

857
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 2: What's so basically you take the bar instead of it's

858
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 2: starting at the ground, you bring it to your knees

859
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 2: and then you have to explode up and then catch it.

860
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, okay, okay, that's.

861
00:38:56,560 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 1: Four hundred and nine pounds. That's inanity.

862
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, So, having done hand cleans in my entire college life,

863
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 2: I'm like, I hate them, I hate I get.

864
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,800
Speaker 1: It, I get it, but I hate him.

865
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 2: Four or nine pounds stood out to me, and they said,

866
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 2: but his wheels are the most impressive aspect of his game.

867
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 2: His one point five to two second ten yards split

868
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 2: is a program record for an offensive lineman. He clocked

869
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 2: eighteen point three four miles pro on at GPS. He

870
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Speaker 2: posted a twenty seven and a half its vertical on

871
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 2: a nine too broad jump along with the pro shettle

872
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 2: time of four to six one. Keep in mind, this

873
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:34,240
Speaker 2: is a guy the six six, three hundred and thirty pounds.

874
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: That's impressive.

875
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 4: Eighteen months.

876
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 5: I mean that's and now that Sexans aren't going to

877
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 5: have him run in fly routes, but no, still, just

878
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:42,879
Speaker 5: the athleticism for this guy.

879
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 4: He started a lot an so.

880
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 5: All that athleticism, that's awesome, but he got a lot

881
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 5: of experience. And that's what I love too. Like that

882
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 5: union of the two things I love, right.

883
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 1: And the athleticism. To me, the strength is the one

884
00:39:58,239 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 1: thing that is that you can absolutely.

885
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 2: You see when you see him run, he's kind of

886
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 2: stiff legged and bent his knees as much. And so

887
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 2: when I first watched I've said this, you know, during

888
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 2: a draft show and everything.

889
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 1: When I first watched Ursery.

890
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:15,879
Speaker 2: Play, no, no, I don't see it, but I didn't

891
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 2: really see it as a first rounder. But the more

892
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:20,720
Speaker 2: I watched him, and then I watched the game against

893
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 2: m du A Carter, and I was like, this is

894
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 2: actually he gets Carter blocked. Saw him at the Senior Bowl.

895
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 2: Guys are trying to run through him and he just

896
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 2: just anch it. And that's why I think he could

897
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 2: play guard, but I don't know if that'll be in

898
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 2: the Texans plans. But either way, he just anchored like

899
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 2: guys would bull rush him and he just stopped him

900
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:38,879
Speaker 2: in their tracks. I'm like, this is a strong dude.

901
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 2: So like that strength is shown when he moves. You

902
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 2: can see the athleticism and his movements. He just he

903
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 2: just looks a little kind of peg legged, and that's okay.

904
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 5: Jalen Knowle another Iowa state wide receiver, playmaker, man play maker,

905
00:40:58,120 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 5: and he's a bowler.

906
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 1: He's a that's the best part I love that. I

907
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:04,919
Speaker 1: love it.

908
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 5: I love it, love Steaks, but I love Jalen Nole.

909
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 5: He's he's gonna be fun man. It's just it's you

910
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 5: gotta load up, because what have we seen around here

911
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,240
Speaker 5: the last couple of years. Start with the Texans wide receivers.

912
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,839
Speaker 5: They've gotten injured. It's not they're not injury prone, but

913
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 5: they've gotten injured. And so you gotta be ready and

914
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 5: you got to have layers to your wide receiver.

915
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 4: Cord. I think the Texans have done that now.

916
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 2: You know what, you know, these first five guys all

917
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:31,919
Speaker 2: went to Senior Bowl, so I got to see.

918
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 1: I got to see and I was focusing more on

919
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:33,800
Speaker 1: an offense.

920
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 2: So I got to see all these guys and had

921
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 2: a pretty good idea about them. And again came back

922
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 2: from the Senior Bowl and I immediately comped Nol to

923
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 2: Jaguars wide receiver Christian Kirk.

924
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 4: Yeah.

925
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 5: And then a few months later, the Texans signed Christian Kirk.

926
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 5: They sign Christian Kirks. I was coming out of the cafterioy, yes, yeah, Hey,

927
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 5: how's it going Christian?

928
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 4: Yeah?

929
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 2: And I gotta I can change my database now to

930
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 2: say Texans wide receiver Christian Kirk. So I thought it

931
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 2: was interesting the two receivers again, I comped again to

932
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 2: two Texans. But you know, sometimes Drew like for me,

933
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 2: you know, people like this will happen at Texas practice.

934
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 2: They'll go through a period called individual and you know,

935
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 2: media members, you know, kind of jack John about whatever,

936
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 2: not really paying attention. I always love to watch individual

937
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:15,839
Speaker 2: because I always feel like there's something that you can get.

938
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,919
Speaker 2: And sometimes when you're you know, day, you know, two

939
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 2: hundred and twelve of a season and you're getting ready

940
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:22,720
Speaker 2: for the Ravens in the playoffs, you're not really worried.

941
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 1: About watching individual too much.

942
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 2: But I feel like in the Senior Bowl, because it's

943
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,280
Speaker 2: the first time kind of laying eyes on on guys

944
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 2: in person, I feel like watching it is is pretty interesting.

945
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 2: And so I'm watching the receivers. I'm down in the

946
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:39,320
Speaker 2: receiver section and they're working on They're working on sideline routes,

947
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 2: just getting the sidelines, and it's the biggest thing for

948
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 2: wide receivers.

949
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 1: Now one foot doesn't count. You got to get both in.

950
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 2: So they would work on us a toe tapping drill

951
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 2: and that evolved into running like a sale route. Sale

952
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,360
Speaker 2: routes kind of a like take a corner route and

953
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:57,479
Speaker 2: then kind of bend it and shorter, and so there's

954
00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 2: timing involved and all that kind of stuff, but you're

955
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 2: running basically full speed to the sideline. And I remembered distinctly,

956
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 2: as I'm watching the guys go through the drill, I'm

957
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 2: watching these guys try to body catch the ball, which

958
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 2: is really you can't do that on the sail route,

959
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 2: And all of a sudden, Jalen runs that sail route

960
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 2: and boom, he just snatches it, just plucks it out

961
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:15,879
Speaker 2: of the air.

962
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 1: And I thought, this is interesting. So I kept.

963
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:22,240
Speaker 2: Watching that, and I watched as he caught the ball,

964
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 2: and I realized, and I know people are like, well,

965
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 2: he caught the ball, Like yeah, but when you catch

966
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 2: it the way he's doing it with perfect technique, thumbs

967
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 2: down on a ball above him, thumbs up the ball

968
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 2: below him, not trying to body catch it.

969
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: It's like, that's impressive to me. Those hands are really

970
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 1: really good.

971
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 2: And then it was the start stop, the ability to

972
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 2: stop on a dime, not not drift on routes. If

973
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:46,760
Speaker 2: he's got to get the five yards and pivot, boom,

974
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 2: he's at five yards full speed pivot he gets separation.

975
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 2: I mean, it's everything that they have talked about that

976
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 2: Demi goes, oh, I want a separator.

977
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 1: Well, that guy's a separator. There's no doubt.

978
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 5: He's and yes he does all that. But there's a

979
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 5: video up. I did the one on ones, like I

980
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 5: mentioned earlier, and there's a video up on YouTube. Go

981
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 5: check that out because there's a catch on there where

982
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 5: there is no separation whatsoever.

983
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 4: And I don't know the team. It looked like a

984
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 4: high school team because it was green and yellow.

985
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 5: But he was bracketed. And when I say bracketed, I

986
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 5: mean there was a guy on his left side and

987
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,919
Speaker 5: a guy on his right side touching his shoulders.

988
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he catches a pass right through him.

989
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 5: He shouldn't have caught it, right, And I'm not saying

990
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 5: he was being guarded by Derek Stingley and Deon Sanders,

991
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 5: but it just doesn't matter. Like the way he caught

992
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,919
Speaker 5: this thing was remarkable. So I can't wait to see

993
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 5: what he does now.

994
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: There's more to that.

995
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 2: If you want to hear the rest of that, go

996
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 2: to in the Lab podcast on Houston Texas dot com

997
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 2: or Friday night. I'll have the second half of that

998
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 2: interview where we talk about everybody else after Jalen Noel

999
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 2: as we discussed him right there. All right, let's finish

1000
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 2: up going around the league. A lot of stuff is

1001
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,879
Speaker 2: happening even as we speak. We'll get to that next

1002
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 2: the Texans All Access. We go on final segment of

1003
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Speaker 2: this Wednesday edition at Texans All Access from.

1004
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Speaker 1: The Texans Radio studio. I am John.

1005
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 2: Harris, football analyst, sideline reporter for your Houston Texans. And

1006
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 2: I can't remember when this news was made official. I

1007
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 2: don't recall, but the Texans made a waiver claim. Jake Andrews,

1008
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 2: formerly of Troy University, and that matters because that was

1009
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 2: where Cole Popovich was for a year, was claimed by

1010
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 2: the Texans A center. And I can't remember if I

1011
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 2: told the story on the air off the air, but

1012
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:43,359
Speaker 2: when I was at the Senior Bowl in twenty twenty three,

1013
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 2: my buddy Lance Airline was talking to him and I

1014
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 2: went down and talked to Lance.

1015
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 1: And as I was talking.

1016
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 2: As I went down there, I looked at Jake and

1017
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 2: I said, you're wrestler, weren't you? And he goes, yeah, man,

1018
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:56,800
Speaker 2: how'd you know that? And Lance looked at me like yeah, how'd.

1019
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:58,879
Speaker 1: You know that. I was like, they just hap there's

1020
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:02,479
Speaker 1: a certain way. They just look a certain way.

1021
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 2: So that wrestler Jake andrews now in Houston added to

1022
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 2: the ninety man roster, and I believe that's ninety. Now

1023
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 2: we haven't seen the undrafted free agents. I've seen a

1024
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 2: lot of teams over the weekend. In the last couple

1025
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 2: of days, Seahawks released four guys, this team released three,

1026
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 2: this team released six. So everything's kind of shucking and

1027
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 2: jiving right now moving around. But if the undrafted free

1028
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 2: agents are what we thought they were, nobody's lost due

1029
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 2: to the physical not working out or whatever the case

1030
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 2: might be, then yeah, we're at ninety.

1031
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 1: I think Jake makes it ninety. So away we go.

1032
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 2: Doesn't mean that Texas won't do something, but now there's

1033
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:47,799
Speaker 2: got to be a corresponding move if that does in

1034
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 2: fact happen. In the NFL has fined the Atlanta Falcons

1035
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:56,320
Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty K and devinse coordinator jeff Aulbrick

1036
00:46:56,560 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 2: one hundred K. This was a horrible situation, and let's

1037
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 2: just say that kid's got a lot of lonmowing to

1038
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 2: do to pay back that one hundred grand that his

1039
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 2: dad is now out, so there you go.

1040
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 1: All right, that's the show.

1041
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 2: Big thanks to Drew Doherty, my man, Mark Vandermir to

1042
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 2: Jonathan Alexander. We'll talk to him on Thursday, but for

1043
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 2: bringing up that fifty three man roster.

1044
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 1: Appreciate you, my man. Will see tomorrowbody and as always,

1045
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 1: go Texans