1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Sanny and Samantha and welcome to Steph 2 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: I never told you production of High Radio, and we 3 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 1: are thrilled to once again be joined by our good friend, 4 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: the amazing, so talented Bridget Todd. Oh. I'm so happy, 5 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: so happy, Thank you for having me. I'm I told 6 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: you earlier. I was drinking a little sparkling wine to 7 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: celebrate the holiday season and getting to hang out with 8 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:40,639 Speaker 1: you all. I'm so excited. Yes, yes, they're so excited too. 9 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: And this one is actually, um pretty I'm excited to 10 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:52,840 Speaker 1: talk about it. Some rare good news I feel. But yes, um, Bridget, Uh, 11 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: We're we're coming toward the end of the year and 12 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: this is we're kind of finishing up recordings for one 13 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: which is we very very strange. Do you have anything 14 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 1: I know last time we talked about weird Christmas? Is 15 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 1: there anything else like on the horizon you're excited about? 16 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 1: Later today, we're leaving for our weirdo Christmas, which I'm 17 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 1: so ecstatic about, so happy. Yeah, I'm also spending the 18 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:19,199 Speaker 1: holidays with my brand new, fresh out the oven niece, 19 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 1: little baby three months old and the cutest kid in 20 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:26,320 Speaker 1: the world. I am obsessed with her. She doesn't know 21 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: that I'm a person. But we'll get there baby steps, 22 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:33,399 Speaker 1: as they say, right, I don't think they recognize you 23 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: as a person until they're literally in their adolescence, because 24 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 1: until then, you're their servants to give to them what 25 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: they want. Essentially, is what I've discovered with all the 26 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 1: young uns pretty much. Yeah, I'm telling you probably I'm 27 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 1: gonna say seven. Okay, I think you and I have 28 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: different ideas of adolescents. And okay, am I saying that wrong? 29 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: I don't. I just always thought that was like twelve thirteen, 30 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: teenager years. Well, this is we're going to get hung 31 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: up in in vernacular that we don't need to get 32 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: into right now. But now I'm clear on what you mean. Okay, 33 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: I got you. Now I'm having to question it anyway, Yes, 34 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: move on. I'm excited. Judy is that her name? That's 35 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 1: such a great name. We're doing it back a little bit. Yes, 36 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: it's it's It can be turned into all kinds of 37 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 1: cute nicknames. I call her Judy Huti. Again, she doesn't 38 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:28,080 Speaker 1: understand that I'm speaking to her. She only now just 39 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 1: realized that she has like hands and a tongue. So 40 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: we're at your baby steps. Yeah. Yeah, do you all 41 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 1: have fun holiday plans? Uh? Well, we teld you about 42 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: our kind of weirdo New Years, which is essentially staying 43 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 1: in and wearing one's ees, watching pies. I do make 44 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: like the traditional soup. You know, yes, exactly exactly. I can't. 45 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:00,799 Speaker 1: I mean, clearly it's been going so for me. So 46 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 1: maybe I didn't get the right type of collared greens. 47 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if you know this, Bridget, 48 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 1: but right before the pandemic, I really said in my 49 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 1: New Year's resolution was to stay in more. Oh and 50 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: that's the thing that I feel like I ruined everything. 51 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: She placed a curse you. I'm sure I thought my 52 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: first ever planner for I usually never buy a planners 53 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: about my first ever in life planner, and I wrote, 54 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: I wrote all kinds of goals for dream. Oh. Yeah, 55 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 1: we had a whole episode about predicting what would happen, 56 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: and we were real wrong, like the wrongest that we 57 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: could be. I think we hit those essentially, it's one 58 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 1: for the books. That episode we kind of it almost 59 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: had to be an apology, like sorry, we have to 60 00:03:53,600 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: protract something essentially a thing you were the conspiracy theories 61 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 1: about five g We were right about that. We didn't 62 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: know how far it would go. We just did not 63 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 1: have the imaginations to match the reality. Uh, for myself, 64 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: it is going to be a very low key, low key, 65 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: I say, because we are going to partners Christmas. This 66 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 1: is our first big deal Christmas, I guess, and I 67 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: say low key because I am anxious written about it, 68 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: and so I'm pretending like it's not happening. So I'm 69 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 1: sure the day we drive there is when I'm going 70 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: to have a panic attack, which is silly because they're 71 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 1: great people, but in my head, this is a new situation. 72 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: So I'm like, so we'll see what happens. You should 73 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 1: watch a lot of holiday movies like um, The Family Stone, 74 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 1: like like you know holiday movies where it's like, oh, 75 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: they're like new partner visiting for the holidays, to sort 76 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:55,720 Speaker 1: of get get your mind right. Wait, have you seen 77 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: Holiday Stone? Because it does not end, well what happened? 78 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 1: Don't watch that one. It's gonna go much better than that. 79 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 1: I forgot about that, You're one because it was not 80 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 1: realistic over the top that I was like, oh my god, 81 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:16,159 Speaker 1: this is so depressing. Why am I watching those, every 82 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 1: wrong thing has happened, and now Bridge is like, I 83 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 1: hope that upon you I thought we were friends. That 84 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 1: won't happen. It'll be that'll be a representation of what 85 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:31,239 Speaker 1: will what will not. Right there we go, Okay, okay, 86 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:37,160 Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'll take that. That was very very funny. Also, 87 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:39,720 Speaker 1: I just want to say Bridget, thank you for complimenting 88 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 1: my very direky Star Wars Boba Fette sweater. So it's 89 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:45,359 Speaker 1: actually a big deal because it's a gift from my 90 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: older brother and he's never given me a gift in 91 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 1: my entire life. So yeah, I know, I'm like, all right, 92 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,840 Speaker 1: hit the mark because he was like I knew this, 93 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 1: this is for you. There's no way I couldn't get this. 94 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:03,840 Speaker 1: You are correct, Thank you. Yeah, it's a very antie gift. 95 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: Kudos to the brother. Yes, yes, and Annie has is 96 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:13,480 Speaker 1: it now? Six five six different Star Wars Christmas waters, 97 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 1: none of which I purchased. Um, So people do know 98 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 1: me very well. Um. Yes, So I'm trying to get 99 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 1: through the catalog while I can, while it's acceptable, even 100 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:25,600 Speaker 1: though it's mostly just me in my apartment. So I 101 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 1: guess it doesn't matter. I could wear them whenever. All right, 102 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 1: so we are also excited to discuss the topic he 103 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:37,359 Speaker 1: bought today, bridgett um. So what are we going to 104 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: be discussing? It feels like, let's go. I know, It's 105 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: like it's like it feels like a little bit of 106 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 1: a gift for once. I am excited to share we 107 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:47,160 Speaker 1: have a little bit of positive news for people who 108 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: have uterus is Can you imagine? That feels like all 109 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 1: we ever get is like, oh, we're bad news, we're 110 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 1: bad news. But actually, just yesterday, the Food and Drug 111 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: Administration the FDA announced a permanent repeal of the in 112 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 1: person dispensing requirement for I actually have the pronunciation spelled out. 113 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: If I buch of this pronunciation, please don't come after me. 114 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: Myth A prity zone one of the two medications used 115 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: in medication abortion a k a. The abortion pill. So, uh, 116 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: pretty exciting, it's a it's a I'm cautiously optimistic and 117 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: pretty comfortable saying like it's a good thing. We'll discuss 118 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 1: like why it's sort of like not the best thing, 119 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: but it's definitely a step in the right direction, and 120 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 1: so I'm comfortable, Like these days you gotta take a 121 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:36,119 Speaker 1: w however you can get it. So I'm comfortable saying 122 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 1: this is a small win for abortion rights, which is 123 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 1: such a yeah a sentence my brain did not know 124 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: how to process. But I was looking over your outline, 125 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: I was like, right, I feel the same way. I 126 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 1: really feel maybe we've just so traumatized previously and we're 127 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 1: all on edge that I'm like, yeah, but but what 128 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: like just way eating but instead of celebrating, hey, this 129 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 1: is good news because it is a step forward. But 130 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 1: totally as someone who is pretty involved in the fight 131 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 1: for abortion rights and access and reproductive justice, I know 132 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 1: exactly that that weird feeling you're describing winds but qualified winds, 133 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 1: and then sort of like well, and then ultimately I 134 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: guess I feel that we shouldn't have to be fighting 135 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: for this stuff in general, like we should. Everybody deserves 136 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 1: to have autonomy over their own body, access to healthcare, 137 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: access to abortion care if they need it. Even the 138 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 1: conversation I feel is we shouldn't even have to be 139 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: fighting for stuff like this. But you know, in the 140 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 1: fight for abortion rights, that can be very negative, very 141 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: taking many, many many steps back, and so I do 142 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 1: think it's important to, you know, highlight when we have 143 00:08:50,920 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 1: something that is not awful happening. And this is actually 144 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 1: something I think I've seen it in the headlines. And 145 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: I know you and I talked about it bridget a 146 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 1: while back, several years ago, and I not I didn't 147 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 1: really know much about the abortion pill. So can you 148 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 1: can you tell us what it is and how it works? 149 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:27,439 Speaker 1: Absolutely so? According to Planned Parenthood, the so called abortion 150 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: pill is a popular name for two different medicines used 151 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 1: to end a pregnancy, miffor pretty zone and another one 152 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 1: myceo pros atoll. So pregnancy needs the hormone called pro 153 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: estrogen to grow normally, and miffor pretty zone blocks your 154 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:45,679 Speaker 1: protty's own pro estrogen. And so basically it's just a 155 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: combination of pills that you take to induce an abortion. Yes, 156 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 1: and I know, like you know, this conversation isn't only 157 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 1: limited to the US, was it Ireland? Had it somewhere? 158 00:09:56,200 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: Had a similar kind of conversation Scotland and you and 159 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: I we did that whole episode about um the changing 160 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:05,839 Speaker 1: rules in the UK because the United States and so 161 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 1: this is definitely a global issue and issue where like 162 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 1: other countries and other regions, I have have different standards of 163 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:16,199 Speaker 1: the legality of how pregnant people can access this kind 164 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 1: of medication to get the abortion care they need. Yeah, 165 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 1: And one of the things that we talked about in 166 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: that episode was also telemedicine UM and being able to 167 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:28,839 Speaker 1: get it and like from the comfort of your own home, 168 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 1: and how important that was for a lot of people 169 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 1: for this UM. So, can you share the history of 170 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: this kind of abortion care via telemedicine in the US? Totally? 171 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:42,439 Speaker 1: So telemedicine if you don't know what that is, it's 172 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 1: basically when you access your doctor through the internet, through 173 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 1: your phone through video conferencing. That's kind of like the 174 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 1: thing for me that makes this kind of a tech 175 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: story is that people have been relying on that kind 176 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 1: of technology enabled healthcare for a really long time. So 177 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: abortion via telemedicine has been available in the US. It's 178 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 1: around two thousand and eight when the first formal program began. 179 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 1: An eye love, a patient and one clinic can confer 180 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 1: via video conference with a doctor in another clinic and 181 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: then they would get their pills to induce an abortion. 182 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: And that video conferencing element that satisfied a federal requirement 183 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 1: that a doctor had to dispense the medication to induce 184 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 1: an abortion in a clinic office or hospital. And so 185 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: that was a real instance where technology bridged that gap. 186 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 1: That's satisfied this federal requirement that a doctor dispense I'm 187 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 1: using quotes around that this medication. And so there are 188 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:37,440 Speaker 1: so many reasons why that would be a huge deal 189 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: for people who are pregnant or really anybody looking for 190 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 1: any kind of healthcare, because if you're someone who lives 191 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 1: in a rural community or a remote community, you can't 192 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 1: always get to a clinic, maybe there's not one close. 193 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:49,199 Speaker 1: Let's say you don't have a car. Let's say you're 194 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 1: just a busy person in a lot on your plate 195 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 1: and you can't physically go see a doctor. Telemedicine really 196 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 1: is this thing that can really bridge that gap and 197 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: bring the healthcare that folks need right into their homes. 198 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:06,559 Speaker 1: And so huge, huge deal. Unfortunately, opponents responded pretty quickly, 199 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 1: prohibiting abortion via telemedicine in twenty states. In the US, 200 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:14,319 Speaker 1: the FDA regulates medication abortion under a set of rules 201 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 1: called the Risk Evaluation and Medication Strategy or r e 202 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:21,079 Speaker 1: m S, which determines how and which doctors can provide 203 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: abortion toils to patients. There was this really interesting paper 204 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:28,199 Speaker 1: called sixteen years of over Regulation, Time to Unburden my 205 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 1: bras published in twenty seventeen in the New England Journal 206 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 1: of Medicine. UM. We're leading clinicians and public health experts 207 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:38,199 Speaker 1: argued that the FDA restrictions were medically unnecessary, and a 208 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 1: c l U attorneys noted that the leading medical groups, 209 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: including the American Congress of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, support making 210 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: abortion bills available by prescription at pharmacies. UM. And here's 211 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: a really good quote from one of the doctors. He says, 212 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 1: overwhelming medical evidence and decades of clinical experience show medication 213 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 1: abortion to be a safe and effective method to end pregnancy. 214 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 1: There are simply no medical justifications these restrictions, and they 215 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: create a needless and harmful burden for women seeking in 216 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 1: this care. And I think that really sums up I 217 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 1: feel what this conversation is about. It's about what happens 218 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 1: when there are needless and undo burdens that separate people 219 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 1: from the medical care and including abortion care that they 220 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: need right and and one of the things that happens 221 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:26,079 Speaker 1: is that people who who need an abortion, who want 222 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 1: an abortion resort to if they have these undue burdens. 223 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: Are these obstacles two less than reliable, perhaps less than safe, 224 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 1: like online places where they can get these medications? Right, Yeah, 225 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,839 Speaker 1: so this actually really makes me sad. It's one of 226 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 1: those things where I feel again, these burdens make people 227 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:52,680 Speaker 1: resort to things that are not always safe. In a 228 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 1: study called Exploring the Feasibility of Obtaining mithripritizone and me 229 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 1: so Protosol from the Internet, Alizabeth Raymond, a senior medical 230 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 1: associate at the research organization Genuity, googled phrases like by 231 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:09,439 Speaker 1: abortion pills online, and the researchers ended up ordering eighteen 232 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 1: of the pill combinations from sixteen different websites, none of 233 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 1: which required a prescription. The pills usually came from India, 234 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:18,320 Speaker 1: which there is a large generic drug industry there, and 235 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 1: the shipments usually call sur around like a hundred and ten, 236 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 1: three and sixty dollars and they took about three days 237 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 1: to three weeks to arrive. And so basically they found 238 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 1: that these products they were getting when they would they 239 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: would google things like abortion pills online, we're just kind 240 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 1: of sketchy. They would have typos that would be language 241 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 1: mistranslations in the in the packages. UM. In one instance, 242 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: the pills arrived with the blister packs had been broken, 243 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 1: and the researchers think that was done intentionally because they 244 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 1: didn't want someone to be like, oh, I think there's 245 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: abortion pills in this package, so they would break the 246 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 1: blister packs those things that keep pills from cracking UM 247 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 1: before sending them. And even more worryingly, none of these 248 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 1: pills came with in auctions for use and so just 249 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 1: like very sketchy, but you can see the kinds of 250 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 1: things that people resort to when these burdens are put 251 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: in place to keep them from the abortion care that 252 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: they need. Right, I feel like this is just talking 253 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 1: in a different way of what was happening in the 254 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 1: early pre row versus weight in trying to find solutions 255 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 1: the best they can, especially for those who can't afford 256 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: access in any way at all. Just not being able 257 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 1: to pay a hundred dollars I'm assuming in a lot 258 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 1: of things, when you start realizing that price is too 259 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: good to be true, it probably is. And when we 260 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 1: talk about especially for healthcare and reproductive care, we already know, yeah, 261 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: because people want this to fail, that people are not 262 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 1: going to look and try to stop these these really 263 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 1: sketchy situations, which is infuriating because that has put so 264 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 1: many people with us in danger, and so many people 265 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 1: who are in a place that they cannot go to doctors, 266 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 1: they cannot even award tell in medicine, even though that's 267 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 1: a better access, thank goodness, it's a step up. But 268 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 1: we have things like kind amendment that prevents even trying 269 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: to access it for those who can't afford these types 270 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 1: of solutions that should already been existing. As you had 271 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 1: said earlier, Oh absolutely, You've reminded me of one of 272 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: my favorite quotes from one of my idols, Shortly Chisholm. 273 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 1: She says, no matter what men think, abortion is the 274 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 1: fact of life. Women have always had them. They always 275 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 1: have and they always will. Are they going to have 276 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 1: good ones or bad ones? Will the good ones be 277 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 1: reserved for the rich or the poor? Women go to quacks? 278 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 1: And I feel like that really sums it up. You know, 279 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 1: this idea that when you know, Shortly chis Almo was 280 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: talking about this in the seventies, and here we are 281 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: in still having this conversation about whether or not people 282 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 1: who don't have access or influence or financial means. Are 283 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: we going to say that it's okay for them to 284 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: have to access abortion care through sketchy means, via quacks, 285 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 1: via like pills that maybe aren't super you know, on 286 00:16:57,480 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 1: the level. And I think the answer should be no. 287 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 1: Everybody does deserves medical care. Everybody deserves abortion care if 288 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:05,639 Speaker 1: that's what they need. And it makes me so sad that, 289 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 1: just like you said, it's kind of an updated version 290 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:12,120 Speaker 1: of the same conversation we've been having since the sixties 291 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 1: and seventies, and it's so depressing in that regards here 292 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 1: to put a dark cloud everything you can always count 293 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: on you. I feel like we need a sound effect 294 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 1: like the More you Know, But it's like Samantha's dark cloud. 295 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: I think you should be like d work on that later. 296 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: This also reminds me of because a lot of what 297 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:33,919 Speaker 1: you talk about, Bridget has to do with, yes, the 298 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:37,199 Speaker 1: Internet and misinformation and disinformation. And I know we've had 299 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: conversations around CPCs or crisis pregnancy centers and how when 300 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 1: you'll type you know, where do I get in abortion? 301 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 1: A lot of times the results will be like the 302 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:47,919 Speaker 1: first results will be um d C PCs, and I 303 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 1: can just imagine for people trying to get access to 304 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:54,919 Speaker 1: to this medication, the same kind of issue there, and 305 00:17:54,920 --> 00:18:01,160 Speaker 1: then on top of that people have been arrested. Correct. Oh, absolutely, 306 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 1: so the s I a legal team, a group of 307 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 1: lawyers who specialized in people who have induced their own abortions, 308 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 1: knows of twenty one people who have been arrested or 309 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:12,439 Speaker 1: prosecuted for ending their pregnancies outside of this medical setting 310 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:16,360 Speaker 1: that was required, you know, in terms of medication abortion 311 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:19,199 Speaker 1: or helping someone else do it. Um. This actually might 312 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 1: even be undercounted since they rely on news reports such 313 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:24,400 Speaker 1: fact these cases. The charges brought against people who self 314 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: abord can range from child abuse, the abuse of a corpse, 315 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:29,640 Speaker 1: or failure to report death. Now, to be clear, none 316 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: of the women were prosecuted for buying abortion pills specifically, 317 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:36,119 Speaker 1: but they note that buying pills online or even googling 318 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:39,399 Speaker 1: phrases like buy abortion pills online, can leave a paper 319 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 1: trail that can be used as evidence against them in 320 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 1: a trial. And so this is not something that is 321 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 1: abstract like we in this country, people have been prosecuted 322 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:54,119 Speaker 1: for trying to induce abortions on their own via pills 323 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:56,680 Speaker 1: they get online. UM. A famous case in twenty fifteen, 324 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 1: Indiana woman named Pervy Patel was sentenced to twenty years 325 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:03,640 Speaker 1: in prison her feet aside after she allegedly used abortion 326 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: pills that she ordered online. Prosecutors claimed that her fetus 327 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: had been quote born alive and that she allowed it 328 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:12,920 Speaker 1: to die, but later her conviction was overturned on appeal. 329 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 1: So again we are talking about very real circumstances where 330 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:23,479 Speaker 1: this this right to access abortion care via pills via 331 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: tele medicine online has been really a fraud thing that 332 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:32,359 Speaker 1: people have been prosecuted for trying to do. And you know, 333 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 1: we have all of these instances where people have subjected 334 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: themselves to unsafe, sketchy abortion pills because of the undue 335 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:44,639 Speaker 1: burdens that have been put in place to prevent them 336 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 1: from getting access to the care they need. The case 337 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 1: for the woman in Indiana, even though it's not related, 338 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:53,160 Speaker 1: kind of brings back the memories of what just happened 339 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: in Alabama recently with a woman who lost the fetus 340 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 1: wanting to have this baby, not trying to have an abortion, 341 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: but got prosecuted with those same types of charges for 342 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:07,920 Speaker 1: neglect of a fetus. And I'm like, we all were 343 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 1: horrified and had it not been publicized, she probably would 344 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:14,359 Speaker 1: still have remained in jail or prison. And it also 345 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:17,360 Speaker 1: takes me to what's happening in Texas as the Supreme 346 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 1: Court is now allowing the bounty law. That's what I'm 347 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:21,160 Speaker 1: calling it. I know that's not what it's actually called 348 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 1: for it to go. And I'm wondering how this is 349 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:27,439 Speaker 1: going to affect, uh, if people are trying to access 350 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: abortion pills, and then we are you already said I 351 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:32,679 Speaker 1: believe that twenty states are not allowing for this type 352 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: of access in anyway. So I'm guessing Texas is one 353 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: of those. I'm on SI guessing Georgia is to that. 354 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 1: How this is going to affect even more so in 355 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 1: trying to prosecute uh, those with yours or those who 356 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:47,880 Speaker 1: are helping trying to get access at all. Yeah, it's 357 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 1: a great question, and I think it really underscores just 358 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 1: what scary dire times we are in. You know, I 359 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 1: remember talking to my mom about, you know, when she 360 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 1: was coming of age, protesting for you know, abortion on 361 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 1: her campus, trying to get access to birth control pills, 362 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:08,880 Speaker 1: and she once told me she was like, oh, when 363 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:11,400 Speaker 1: I was doing all of that back then, I knew 364 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 1: at least when I had a daughter, she wouldn't have 365 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 1: to sort of fight these same fights, that these fights 366 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:18,880 Speaker 1: would be over and done with at the time my 367 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:22,159 Speaker 1: daughter was here, well talk about, you know, predictions that 368 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 1: didn't come true. She was wrong. Here I am her 369 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 1: adult daughter, still having to deal with this kind of stuff. 370 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,879 Speaker 1: And so we are in a really scary time for 371 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 1: abortion access for anybody who cares about abortion access, and 372 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 1: that should really be everybody, everybody, regardless of gender, should 373 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 1: care about this. And so I agree with you. I 374 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:44,679 Speaker 1: I think that sometimes I'll see, like I think it 375 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 1: was Chris Hayes who tweeted something, and I like Chris Hayes, 376 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:48,680 Speaker 1: and I'm not I'm not trying to like get down 377 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 1: on him, but he tweeted about I think the Texas 378 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 1: abortion bill, like, oh, I think that we're going to 379 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 1: see miscarriages being criminalized next. And it's like, I hate 380 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 1: to break it to you, Chris Hayes, but where there happening. 381 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 1: You know, this is exactly that same level of like, 382 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 1: oh my god, we're still fighting for access, We're still 383 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 1: trying to have this conversation about bodily autonomy for those 384 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 1: with uterus is those who are non binary, like trying 385 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:18,159 Speaker 1: to figure out how to even have rights at all. 386 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:22,880 Speaker 1: Like honestly, seeing the news as I talked about it earlier, 387 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 1: I was like, but but waiting for you know, they 388 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: had to drop waiting for Oh no, it's gonna go 389 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 1: fall apart. I'm trying to figure out how even how 390 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 1: the FDA even came to this point, How did we 391 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: get here, which is amazing, but how well. I actually 392 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,120 Speaker 1: have an answer for you, which is like, as much 393 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 1: as I hated COVID, we kind of have COVID to 394 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: thank for this important change. And so this new change, 395 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 1: to be clear, um, it's not going to impact everyone 396 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 1: on every state, like you said, but the reason why 397 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 1: we have it is because of COVID restrictions. And so, 398 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 1: during the pandemic, medical groups filed a lawsuit asking that 399 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 1: the in person dispensing requirement be left did because the 400 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 1: pandemic meant that patients were faced with a greater risk 401 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,919 Speaker 1: of being infected um with coronavirus if they were visiting 402 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,879 Speaker 1: clinics in person to get pills, and so a judge 403 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:13,639 Speaker 1: granted that request this that summer, but after a challenge 404 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 1: by the Trump administration. Of course, the Supreme Court reinstated 405 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:20,120 Speaker 1: the restriction. In March, medical organizations tried again right into 406 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 1: President bid An end Vice President Harris. In April, the 407 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 1: FDA decided not to enforce the in person requirement for 408 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 1: the duration of the pandemic and allowed, uh, these pills 409 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 1: to be mailed to folks. And again yesterday, the big 410 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 1: decision is that that change, which at that point was temporary, 411 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 1: is going to be made permanent. And so, you know, 412 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 1: the pandemic. I hate it, I hate it obviously, but 413 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 1: this is one of those things where I think that 414 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 1: the people who were fighting for these regulars this regulation 415 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,399 Speaker 1: change really saw a way to be like, you know, 416 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,200 Speaker 1: it doesn't make sense to ask people to go in 417 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 1: person to get the abortion care they need, particularly during 418 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 1: a pandemic, and then being like and also, shouldn't we 419 00:23:57,800 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 1: just end it all together? You know, I really appreciate 420 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,680 Speaker 1: it them kind of like the strategy of this, yeah, yeah, 421 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: you know, we gotta find your like you said, your 422 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 1: winds and your chances where you can and if it's 423 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: a pandemic, well, so could you go into just a 424 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:32,719 Speaker 1: bit more like what exactly this this ruling is means 425 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:37,680 Speaker 1: in terms of like, yeah, the states and how how 426 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:41,919 Speaker 1: it's like specifically impacting different states and just what does 427 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 1: it all mean virg Totally, I want to make clear that, 428 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,199 Speaker 1: like it is important to know that this will not 429 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 1: impact everyone in every state. As you said, in nineteen 430 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 1: states and mostly in the South and the Midwest, telemedicine 431 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 1: visits for abortion are banned, and so that really you know, 432 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 1: there's really no change in those states. And and and then 433 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:05,199 Speaker 1: you know because everything is awful, and that because you know, 434 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,640 Speaker 1: the powers that be are constantly chipping away at our 435 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 1: riots and are our access to abortion care. Um, we 436 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:15,160 Speaker 1: do believe that conservative states are expected to pass other 437 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 1: laws to further curtail the access to abortion pills. And 438 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 1: so even though again I feel like this is a win, 439 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 1: I want to be clear that is not a win 440 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,359 Speaker 1: that impacts everybody. And so this means that people who 441 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,400 Speaker 1: live in states that do not allow telemedicine for abortion 442 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 1: must travel to a state that does, although and this 443 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 1: is kind of a weird point, they do not have 444 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: to visit a clinic. They may be in any location 445 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:41,119 Speaker 1: within that state for their telehealth visit, even inside of 446 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 1: a car. They may receive pills at any address in 447 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:48,640 Speaker 1: that state. So again, it just seems like such a 448 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 1: weird obviously both burden to be like, well, if you're 449 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:56,200 Speaker 1: in this state that does not allow for telemedicine appointments 450 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 1: for abortion pills, you can't get them. But if you 451 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 1: drive to a state does allow them, you're going to 452 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,400 Speaker 1: sit in the Wendy's parking lot and have a telemedicine 453 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 1: and visit over your phone in your car, and then 454 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,119 Speaker 1: that's all good. That again, it just seems like it's 455 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:14,479 Speaker 1: really reveals that this is about putting ridiculous burdens and 456 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 1: barriers to prevent people from getting the abortion care they need. 457 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 1: Like what if you don't have a car, What if 458 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 1: you don't have the financial means to drive to another state, 459 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,160 Speaker 1: what if you have to work or already have kids 460 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,400 Speaker 1: and don't really have the ability to just like take 461 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 1: a trip like this. It seems like such an obvious 462 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 1: way to just prevent people from getting the care they need. 463 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 1: And like, to me, it's just like my bullsh alarm 464 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,679 Speaker 1: goes off, like this is clearly just like let's just 465 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,200 Speaker 1: make it hard for people to get the care they need. Yeah, 466 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 1: I mean, this is such a like a much more 467 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 1: superficial problem but it reminds me of when I was 468 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,920 Speaker 1: a kid. Um we would drive to the border of 469 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 1: Alabama and where I'm located in Georgia, and we'd right 470 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,159 Speaker 1: in the border. They'd be all these fireworks. So I 471 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 1: knew you were gonna say that we would had all 472 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 1: these fireworks, and but if they're illegal in Georgia, my 473 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 1: parents would be like, you can't sell them, but we 474 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,879 Speaker 1: can shoot them off. I'm like, that makes no sense 475 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:12,360 Speaker 1: to me, That's absolutely right. I was thinking the same 476 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 1: thing with like alcohol cells, you know, within the Southern States, 477 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 1: like they were very restrictive up unto a certain point, 478 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 1: so people would cross borders to go get alcohol. So 479 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 1: for a long time, Georgia couldn't sell it on Sundays, 480 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,159 Speaker 1: so people would go to Alabama like that would have 481 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:31,440 Speaker 1: access to it. Again, this is very like, less harmful 482 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 1: than any o the stuff, but it is also very 483 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 1: reminiscent of the fact that they are shutting down clinics 484 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 1: in certain states and so therefore we have to access 485 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 1: clinics maybe two or three states away in general, And honestly, 486 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 1: we've been watching what's happening with Poland as well as 487 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,959 Speaker 1: they have had one of the harshest restrictions and bands 488 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 1: um in the world as well, and it's fairly new 489 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 1: and them talking about the fact that they're having to 490 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 1: do essentially underground networks to get access to pills and 491 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 1: to any type of reproductive help access by traveling across 492 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 1: country border lines in order to get access. And yeah, 493 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 1: that's exactly what's happening in that level of state wise 494 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,160 Speaker 1: for us. That yes, for some of these and they're 495 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,400 Speaker 1: gonna make it so difficult that you will you will 496 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 1: have to plan as if, like you have to be 497 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,359 Speaker 1: away for a week to get a pill um in 498 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 1: order to get any kind of access, and if you 499 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 1: can't afford it, sorry, then you're not allowed it. Yeah, 500 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: And so just like what's happening in Poland, we're seeing 501 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 1: some a bit of that here in the United States. 502 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,399 Speaker 1: So states like California and New York states where you 503 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,960 Speaker 1: can access abortion pills via telemedicine, they've taken steps in 504 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 1: recent years to further solidify access to abortion and they're 505 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 1: expected to increase the availability of telemedicine for abortion pills, 506 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,240 Speaker 1: specifically to provide opportunities for folks and other states with 507 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 1: these kinds of restrictions to obtain abortion pills by traveling 508 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 1: to their state to get them. And so we are 509 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 1: seeing this thing where other states that allow this are 510 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 1: probably going to be stepping up so that people specifically 511 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 1: so that pole who live in states that you know, 512 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 1: they can't access this can get them. And so it 513 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 1: is it is a little bit like that. And you know, 514 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,720 Speaker 1: even though this is a win, we shouldn't have to 515 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 1: be doing any of this just to get abortion care. 516 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 1: Like nobody should have to jump through ridiculous hoops to 517 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: get medical care that they need, and so this is 518 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 1: no different. And so I think of this as a win, 519 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 1: but I just I have to keep harping on that 520 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 1: that we shouldn't have to be fighting this way and 521 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 1: like celebrating these sort of like incremental tooth and nail 522 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,960 Speaker 1: winds for something that like should just be a right 523 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 1: that everybody should have. Yeah, and these pill based abortions 524 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 1: are actually pretty common, right, That's right, And so especially 525 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 1: in the pandemic. The tele Abortion Project, which is a 526 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 1: research program authorized by the FDA to conduct tele medicine 527 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 1: appointments and male pills, has heard from many people and 528 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 1: they're saying that they have really seen from folks using 529 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 1: their services, that people are really stepping up the amount 530 00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 1: that they are seeking these kinds of services since the pandemic. 531 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 1: Elizabeth Raymond. She said that of the two thousand and 532 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 1: eighties three abortions provided under the program between July October one, 533 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 1: more than a third, seven hundred and fifteen, occurred during 534 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 1: the pandemic, and that really mirrors with the CDC is found. 535 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 1: The CDC found in twenty in some states, including Indiana, Kansas, 536 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 1: and Minnesota, the methodic pill based abortions accounted for the 537 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 1: majority of abortions according to state Health Department records, and 538 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 1: the CDC also found that seventy of abortions occurred before 539 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 1: the ten weeks gestation period, suggesting that there are many, many, 540 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,120 Speaker 1: many more people who would probably choose abortion pills over 541 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 1: an in clinic procedure if they could um Another great resource, 542 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 1: Abortion on Demand, which is an online platform that provides 543 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 1: position supported medication. Abortion Care Online, said that they have 544 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 1: seen a lot of growing interests in pill based abortions 545 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 1: since the pandemic as well, and so it makes complete 546 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 1: sense that at a time when it's like not safe 547 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 1: to leave your house, that people would be turning to 548 00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 1: the internet to get the kind of care that they need, 549 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 1: and even beyond abortion. You know, I when the pandemic started, 550 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 1: actually very early into the pandemic, This is like a 551 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 1: little bit embarrassing. I had a assist on my butt 552 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 1: cheek and my doctor had switched to telemedicine only, and 553 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 1: I remember thinking like, well, certainly she's not gonna want 554 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 1: to like have me take down my pants and show 555 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 1: her my butt cheek over you know, face time. And 556 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 1: that's exactly what I did, and I get the care 557 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,959 Speaker 1: that I needed. And so obviously we should not be 558 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 1: putting unfair barriers in place when I think that the 559 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 1: pandemic really showed how important it is to use the 560 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 1: technology that we have to access healthcare right. And I 561 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 1: know there are stories you can find out. There are 562 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 1: people who said, like why it was so important to 563 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 1: them and why they wanted to be in like they're 564 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 1: kind of you know, home or where they felt comfortable 565 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:53,240 Speaker 1: when they did this. Um. But also unfortunately a lot 566 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 1: of times going to an abortion clinic can also not 567 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 1: feel safe because there can be people protesting outside and 568 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 1: that makes it much more stressful experience. And and speaking 569 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 1: of I'm sure, um not everyone was happy about about 570 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 1: this news. Oh, of course not so. Anti choice groups 571 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 1: were not happy about this announcement. The Susan B. Anthony 572 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 1: Foundation said the Biden administration today moved to weaken the 573 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 1: long standing federal safety regulations against mail order abortion drugs, 574 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 1: designed to protect women from serious health risks and potential abuse. 575 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 1: So here's my question about this. First of all, how 576 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 1: and why would someone be abusing these abortion pills. It's 577 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 1: not like they like, take it from me. They do 578 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 1: not get you high, the side effects that you might 579 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 1: have or like mild nausea. I don't really think that 580 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 1: people are like, oh, I can't wait to get these 581 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 1: drugs to induce mild nausea. It's gonna be a wild time. 582 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 1: Can't wait to abuse them. So already have some questions there, 583 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 1: and then doctors make it clear that pill based abortions 584 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,120 Speaker 1: are safe. A research program at the FDA found that 585 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 1: of the one thousand, one fifties seven abortions that occurred 586 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 1: through the program between September, we're completed without requiring any 587 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 1: follow up procedure, patients made seventy visits to emergency rooms 588 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 1: or urgent care centers, with ten instances of serious complications 589 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 1: to study reported, and so that's really like pretty good 590 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,640 Speaker 1: in terms of, you know, the safety of this, Like 591 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 1: doctors have made it very clear that pill based abortions 592 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 1: are not unsafe and telemedicine abortions are safe for all 593 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 1: the reasons that you've just said. Any they can be 594 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 1: more convenient. Maybe you don't want to go to an 595 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,959 Speaker 1: abortion clinic where there's going to be people shouting at 596 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,920 Speaker 1: you when you're already stressed. Uh, maybe you have to work, 597 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 1: or maybe you can't afford to get to a clinic, 598 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 1: or like, there are so many reasons why someone would 599 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 1: choose to you know, access the care they need through telemedicine, 600 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 1: and it's there's not really a lot of reasons why 601 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 1: we are regulating it in this way. And one thing 602 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 1: I also want to point out is that this change 603 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,479 Speaker 1: is obviously, like very long overdue, especially when you consider 604 00:33:56,520 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 1: that out of the twenty different prescription medications currently regulated 605 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 1: by the FDA, these abortion bills are the only one. 606 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,400 Speaker 1: The only one the f d A previously required to 607 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:11,280 Speaker 1: be dispensed in person but permitted patience to self administer. 608 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,880 Speaker 1: And so that really, I mean, like, of all of 609 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,280 Speaker 1: these medications, this like why is this the only one 610 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:22,000 Speaker 1: that had this unfair burden to access. This is one 611 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,239 Speaker 1: of the only medications that are given to people with 612 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:29,239 Speaker 1: uteruses and those who need reproductive health like essentially, this 613 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,160 Speaker 1: is why we know these answers, and I find that 614 00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:36,560 Speaker 1: fascinating because as we're looking for the future, and of course, 615 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,080 Speaker 1: I think part of the reason and any and I 616 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 1: are both like hesitant in celebrating because we are in 617 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:46,000 Speaker 1: Georgia run by current Governor Brian kimp who has absolutely 618 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,120 Speaker 1: put into place every restriction that you can think of 619 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,800 Speaker 1: when it comes to accessing any kind of health care 620 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,520 Speaker 1: in general. And I say that very loudly, as he 621 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:57,040 Speaker 1: is threatening to shut down any connections with federal assistance 622 00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,719 Speaker 1: when it comes to coverage in the state at this 623 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 1: point in time. And I think one of the things 624 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,120 Speaker 1: that we are talking about and trying to be very 625 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,480 Speaker 1: loud about, is that these groups are not focusing on 626 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 1: the women. Obviously, it is a literal fight about what 627 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,960 Speaker 1: is moral in their eyes, and for a Bible belt 628 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,840 Speaker 1: area of such as Georgia, it is a constant battle 629 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:23,800 Speaker 1: trying to see how to combat uh these really generalized, 630 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,600 Speaker 1: slash false narratives of the harming women as if they're 631 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,600 Speaker 1: truly trying to save women, what is actually they're trying 632 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:35,040 Speaker 1: to prevent women to get good access and a good 633 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,920 Speaker 1: health care at all. So it's kind of one of 634 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,799 Speaker 1: those moments of like how And I guess honestly, the 635 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:43,960 Speaker 1: pandemic has shown a lot of light about the fact 636 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:50,399 Speaker 1: that when it comes to morality and conspiracies, they don't 637 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:55,760 Speaker 1: care if it's from science. They don't care about the truth, 638 00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 1: as we have learned, um, and I find it interesting 639 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,880 Speaker 1: that as we are trying to focus on this, what 640 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,960 Speaker 1: what are some ways that we can maybe uh advocate 641 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 1: for ourselves, for people like Annie and I who are 642 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,560 Speaker 1: stuck in Georgia right now, for more access to these things. 643 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,000 Speaker 1: Oh what a good question. I mean, first of all, 644 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,880 Speaker 1: I just have to honor what you just said, because 645 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:23,239 Speaker 1: we are at a time where it is scary and 646 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,920 Speaker 1: the threat is real. Anybody who told you like, oh, 647 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,840 Speaker 1: they're not going to overturn row, like you'll be fine, 648 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,480 Speaker 1: Like we're not going to go backward, they were incorrect. 649 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,400 Speaker 1: They were telling you something that wasn't true. And I 650 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:37,560 Speaker 1: I I'm sorry to have to say that, but here's 651 00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:39,719 Speaker 1: here's the reality of where we are and it's it's 652 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:44,560 Speaker 1: very real and it's very scary, and I completely understand 653 00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:48,320 Speaker 1: the urge to be like, well, this is happening. It's inevitable. 654 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,160 Speaker 1: Our rights are going to be rolled back. Women are 655 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,600 Speaker 1: going to die, people are going to die. This is 656 00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:57,440 Speaker 1: going to be bad. Anybody who's feeling that that exhaustion 657 00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,880 Speaker 1: and malaise, I'm with you. I get it. All I 658 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,760 Speaker 1: can say is that now is not the time to retreat. 659 00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,160 Speaker 1: Now is the time to dig in. And so I 660 00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:10,120 Speaker 1: have to really lift up and amplify all the amazing 661 00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,560 Speaker 1: people who are doing the work on the ground of 662 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,080 Speaker 1: protecting abortion access. I want to shout out a few 663 00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,960 Speaker 1: people right now. My colleague at Ultra Violet Sonia Spoo, 664 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:21,000 Speaker 1: who is incredible. Um, my friend Renee, who is doing 665 00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,200 Speaker 1: a lot of work around abortion storytelling and just like 666 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,799 Speaker 1: helping people understand how many different people are impacted by 667 00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:30,120 Speaker 1: abortion care and need abortions, and like someone that you 668 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,600 Speaker 1: love has had an abortion. And then if you're looking 669 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:36,160 Speaker 1: like what can I do? Absolutely, now is the time 670 00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,400 Speaker 1: to be supporting abortion funds around the country. If you've 671 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,040 Speaker 1: got a local abortion fund in your and your community, 672 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:42,919 Speaker 1: throw them some money. If you've got some extra money. 673 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,440 Speaker 1: You can go to abortion Funds dot org and find out. 674 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:47,920 Speaker 1: You know, people are doing a lot of organizing of 675 00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,279 Speaker 1: making sure that people can still get the access to 676 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,520 Speaker 1: care that they need, So definitely support those folks. Also 677 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:57,919 Speaker 1: urge your lawmaker to support the Women's Health Protection Act. 678 00:37:57,960 --> 00:37:59,600 Speaker 1: You can go to we Are Ultra Violet dot org 679 00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,799 Speaker 1: and find our petition demanding the Women's Health Protection Act 680 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,960 Speaker 1: be passed because we need Now is the time that 681 00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,080 Speaker 1: we need to be fighting with all that we've got. 682 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,319 Speaker 1: I know it is scary, I know it's hard. I 683 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,880 Speaker 1: know we've all been through a lot, but now is 684 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:17,040 Speaker 1: the time to really dig in. And I think, like, like, 685 00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:18,799 Speaker 1: one of the things that really gives me hope in 686 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:22,720 Speaker 1: this fight are things like abortion care networks, are things 687 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,520 Speaker 1: like this, individuals doing what they can, and so I 688 00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,000 Speaker 1: know that we got us are. The government might always 689 00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,080 Speaker 1: not always have our back, our lefted officials might not 690 00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,200 Speaker 1: always have our back, but we have our own backs. 691 00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:35,120 Speaker 1: And so this fight is hard and long, but I 692 00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,759 Speaker 1: know I know that we got we got each other, 693 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:39,800 Speaker 1: and so that's the one thing that really gives me hope. 694 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:44,239 Speaker 1: So Will said, I think I needed it, because yes, 695 00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:48,720 Speaker 1: I've been very We all are very concerned and worried. 696 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,200 Speaker 1: But that was a nice a nice vote on this 697 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:58,240 Speaker 1: our last recording with you one and some excellent advice 698 00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:02,719 Speaker 1: as always, hanging there, Yes, hanging there, we can do this. 699 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:14,279 Speaker 1: We could do this. Low key there. That's that's what 700 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:22,480 Speaker 1: I call you, Samantha Loki. Yes, yes, well, thank you 701 00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:26,520 Speaker 1: as always Bridget for joining us, UM and bringing this topic. 702 00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:30,759 Speaker 1: It is always such a delight to have you have fun. 703 00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,600 Speaker 1: You're about to leave for your your weirdo Christmas. Correct, 704 00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:35,840 Speaker 1: that's right. In a matter of hours, I will be 705 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:40,640 Speaker 1: wearing a fur hat like probably pretty drunk in the wood. 706 00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:49,520 Speaker 1: It's important in this whole conversation. Yes, yes, have a 707 00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:53,200 Speaker 1: lovely time. Um. Where can the listeners find you? Well, 708 00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:55,239 Speaker 1: you can find me all over the web. 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