1 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: Body Backs with Joseph Scott Morgan. You work hard all 2 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:25,759 Speaker 1: your life, you raise a family, three boys. You're coming 3 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: to the end of your career. You're looking forward to retirement. 4 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: You've been sweating away in central Florida all these years, 5 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 1: and you decide to buy a retirement home up in 6 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 1: the mountains of Tennessee. You've got your eyes set on 7 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: the prize, and suddenly one day your life comes to 8 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:49,840 Speaker 1: swift and violent end at the hand of your own child. Today, 9 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: we're going to talk about the Mask of the a 10 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: Motto family and their son Grant a Motto. I'm Joseph 11 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 1: Scott Morgan and this his Body Backs Back with me 12 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 1: today is Jackie Howard, executive producer of Crime Stories with 13 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Jackie tell us about the strategy. Joe Grant 14 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: a Motto is a twenty nine year old nurse and 15 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 1: he is accused of killing his family members at their home. 16 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 1: The reason is an obsession with a Bulgarian webcam model 17 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: that he met as a result of his addiction to 18 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 1: online porn. He had stolen two hundred thousand dollars from 19 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 1: his family to pay this online model. The police investigation 20 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 1: into the Amoto family began after a coworker called police 21 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 1: when Cody A. Mootto had not come into work. The 22 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: deputies circled the Amoto home and inside about nine am, 23 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 1: they found three people dead. According to Grant's arrest, Warren 24 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: aff A, David chat Amotto, his dad, was found dead 25 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: in the kitchen of their home, Cody A. Motto was 26 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 1: killed in a storage room, and Margaret Amatto, his mom, 27 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:09,799 Speaker 1: was found shot dead in an office chair. Police officers 28 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 1: say Cody and Margaret Amatto suffered execution style wounds. Of 29 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 1: that money that was stolen from his family, the two 30 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars sixty thousand dollars was stolen from his 31 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 1: brother Cody. He also stole Cody's guns and sold them 32 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: without his permission, all to fund his obsession with this 33 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: Bulgaria model. What a Motto was doing was taking the 34 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 1: money that he had received or stolen from his family 35 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:41,239 Speaker 1: and was wiring it to Bulgaria to this model. Grandamatta 36 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 1: was not a stupid person. You would you hear in 37 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 1: all of this, You would think that he didn't have 38 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 1: two cents in his brain to rub together. But this 39 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: kid was professionally sound to a certain degree. He was 40 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: a registered nurse. He and his brother had both graduated 41 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: from nur in school and he, you know, just prior 42 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: to these events, he was actually practicing as a nurse, 43 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 1: but his life kind of went down to this dark path. 44 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 1: At one point in time. He had kind of been 45 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:17,239 Speaker 1: bulked up, was involved in weightlifting, he'd participated in airsoft competitions. 46 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 1: He'd loved shooting guns with his brother, and he and 47 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: his brother got along really really well. But over a 48 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: period of time, Jackie, you know, he he became very, 49 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:28,959 Speaker 1: very diminished as he got into this world of the 50 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 1: sexual addiction where he's just feeding money to this woman 51 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: in Bulgaria, and you know, friends had talked about how 52 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: he almost took on almost a skeletal like appearance, eyes 53 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: were sunken back in his head. His weight had dropped precipitously, 54 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 1: probably lost close to fifty pounds or so, so when he, 55 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: you know, would pass her an area, he had almost 56 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: like a spectral appearance to him, and you know, kind 57 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: of ominous when he began to think about it. His brother, 58 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: Cody had actually gotten a degree as a nurse anesthetist, 59 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:07,119 Speaker 1: and Grant had attempted to go through the same program. 60 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: But unlike his brother, he had actually flunked out of 61 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 1: the program. Some people say that this was the moment 62 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: in time when his life began to kind of tumble down. 63 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 1: He had these aspirations of becoming like a super duper millionaire, 64 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 1: you know, independently wealthy, and he and his brother had 65 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:27,720 Speaker 1: planned on having matching BMW's that they would drive around in. 66 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 1: And you know, they were going to live in this 67 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 1: house that their parents had down in Florida, and the 68 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: parents were going to retire to Tennessee. As a matter 69 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: of fact, they had already targeted home up there that 70 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 1: they were going to move into. So it's it's all 71 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: a bunch of tragic circumstances that led to these fatal events, Jackie. 72 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: We know that the surviving brother, Jason Amato, told police 73 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: that Grant Amato had spent about two weeks out of 74 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 1: facility getting treated for depression. Grant Amato was actually enrolled 75 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: in a sixty day treatment pro Graham four Internet and 76 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 1: sex addiction, but he only completed about two weeks of 77 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: that program before he came home. According to the testimony 78 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: from Grant a Motto, he was an unheated argument with 79 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: his father and got kicked out of the home because 80 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:17,559 Speaker 1: he did not cut off communication with the Bulgarian model 81 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: as advised and instructed by his family. My question to you, 82 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 1: Joe is, obviously, these parents are not forensic specialists and 83 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 1: would not have been looking at it with this critical 84 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: of an eye as you do. But should there have 85 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: been things that they noticed or maybe they did and 86 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: that's what led to this? Well, yeah, you know, you 87 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: talk about forensics, and you often have students, you know, 88 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: ask me, you know, well, professor Morgan, would what should 89 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: I do? In forensics? And one of the biggest growing 90 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:51,679 Speaker 1: areas to the largest areas in forensic practice are actually 91 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 1: forensic computer science and forensic accounting, and certainly that came 92 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: into play in this case. Jackie. I mean, can you 93 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: can you even begin to fathom seeing your bank accounts 94 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: literally drained away? I think that it was close to 95 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 1: the actual dollar specific dollar amount, it's like one hundred 96 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 1: and fifty thousand dollars, and that was just liquidity of 97 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 1: cash that was that was drawn away. And then I 98 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 1: think that there was a loan that had been taken 99 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:26,159 Speaker 1: out on the family home for an arrangement about sixty 100 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 1: thousand and then in addition to that, Grant had swiped 101 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:34,839 Speaker 1: in excess of ten thousand dollars from his brother, so 102 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 1: we're we're above two hundred thousand dollars at this point 103 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: in time. So you know, when you're piecing this together 104 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 1: from a forensic standpoint, you know everything, everything you know 105 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 1: has a contact back in time. With an investigation. You 106 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: look for these little points of connection all the way 107 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: through the forensic narrative, and so you would when you're 108 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: piecing this together, you try to match up the narrative 109 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:02,359 Speaker 1: of what you're hearing as an investigator with the cold 110 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 1: heart facts. And if you can look at the numbers, 111 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 1: and there are very specific numbers here, you can kind 112 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: of see this drain. If you put it on a graft, 113 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: you can see this kind of downward tumble that was 114 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: taking place. Now in addition to this, let's keep in 115 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:21,239 Speaker 1: mind Grant a Motto, was not hopping on a plane 116 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 1: and flying to Eastern Europe. He was doing all of this. 117 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 1: Let me rephrase that he was in contact with this 118 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: cam model via the internet. So every time, every time 119 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: he would engage with her, there is actually a digital 120 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: footprint that's left behind. And one more interesting thing I 121 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: found about this, you know, when we begin to talk 122 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:51,559 Speaker 1: about electronic forensics and how this kind of sex trade 123 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: works like this, in order to facilitate this kind of 124 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: on camera session that he would have with her, he 125 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 1: had to purchase these digital coins, if you will, And 126 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: there's even evidence that he had purchased roughly six hundred 127 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: dollars worth of these coins just prior to what they 128 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: believe or the deaths, the murders of his family members. 129 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: And that goes to tell you how obsessed he was 130 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 1: in this world that he had kind of buried himself into. 131 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: During the course of my career, I've walked into many 132 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 1: scenes where there have been multiple desks, but I don't 133 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:55,199 Speaker 1: know that there is anything that kind of literally rips 134 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: my heart out. Then walking into a blood soaked environment 135 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:04,200 Speaker 1: where a family has almost literally been completely wiped out, 136 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 1: and in the case of the Motto family, save the 137 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: perpetrator and the brother that was not at the house, 138 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 1: that's basically what happened. Jackie Grant a Motto is accused 139 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 1: of shooting his father first in the kitchen and then 140 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: killing his mother and brother execution style. What does that mean? 141 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 1: What makes a murder and execution style death classically, when 142 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 1: we begin to think about execution style homicides, what we're 143 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 1: talking about is the perpetrator being in a dominant position 144 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: over the victim. And generally the individual that is shot 145 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 1: will either be in a seated position below the level 146 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 1: of a standing perpetrator, they'll be kneeling, they'll be laying. 147 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 1: That is the victim I'm referring to. And in this 148 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: particular case, when you see the mother, Margaret, she is 149 00:09:56,880 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 1: actually positioned at her desk, Jackie. And if folks at 150 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: home will feel on the back of their head, there's 151 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: a little protuberant area on the back of your skull 152 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 1: that's called the occiput. And if you'll put your hand 153 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: to the right side of the midline, that's actually where 154 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:19,839 Speaker 1: Margaret's entrance was. And that gunshot wound that she sustained 155 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 1: is a classic execution style gunshot. It passes through the 156 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 1: right occiput. That b very bony structure is very thick. 157 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:29,559 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, it's one of the thickest 158 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: bones of the skull, and it goes from right to 159 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:37,199 Speaker 1: left and it actually comes out below her left eye. 160 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: It exits out of the cheek. In my estimation, she 161 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 1: probably never knew what happened, and it's it's an interesting thing. 162 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:51,680 Speaker 1: I was kind of contemplating this. How many times had 163 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 1: her child grant walked into her office space in that 164 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:58,839 Speaker 1: area and she thinks nothing of it. I mean, she's 165 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:01,680 Speaker 1: sitting there, she might hear the click of his heels 166 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 1: on the floor, you know, approaching from the rear. She 167 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 1: feels safe in this environment, and you would feel safe, 168 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: this is your home, and then all of a sudden, 169 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 1: I don't even know if your brain can calculate hearing 170 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 1: the sound as you're shot in this primal area of 171 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 1: the brain that causes everything to shut down. You know, 172 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 1: people always ask when you know, is this an instantaneous death? 173 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: This is probably about as close as you can have 174 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:28,839 Speaker 1: to an instantaneous event, because you're you're knocking out the 175 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 1: primal brain center. This is passing through most likely at 176 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 1: least the top aspect of the brain stem, taking up 177 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: the cerebellum, and then you know, crossing over the middlene 178 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 1: of the brain and then exiting out of the face. 179 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: It's it's very horrific, but in her case, it was 180 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:51,839 Speaker 1: very very quick. When you consider Dad, this is Chad. 181 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 1: He was found in an adjacent area, adjacent to the 182 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 1: kitchen and this sort of thing. He also had gunshot 183 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 1: wounds to the back of his head on the right 184 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 1: aspect as well. So that gives you when you begin 185 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 1: to look at entrance wounds and examine them, not only 186 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: are you getting an idea of the position of the victim, 187 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 1: you're also getting an idea of the position of the perpetrator. 188 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 1: So if you will just imagine that in this case, 189 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 1: grant Amato would have been to the right rear of 190 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 1: his father, because, as it turns out, there was actually 191 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: two two gunshot wounds to his dad's head. And one 192 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 1: of these, and this is quite gruesome when you begin 193 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 1: to think about it, one of these actually clipped through 194 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 1: the right aspect the rear aspect of his head, came out, 195 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: went back in through his ear, and then back into 196 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 1: his head. And then wait wait, wait, wait wait wait, 197 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 1: say that again. It did the bullet. What was the 198 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 1: trajectory of the bullet. Yeah, what you're talking about is 199 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: and many times you'll see this, Jackie. You will have 200 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 1: these cases where you'll have an entrance, then an exit, 201 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 1: and then a re entrance, and then finally you may 202 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 1: have another exit and it's all the same bullet that 203 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:18,320 Speaker 1: is creating this cavity in the brain. And interestingly enough, 204 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:21,319 Speaker 1: you know, when the forensic pathologist, doctor Jones, actually testified 205 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 1: in this case at a trial, the prosecution was asking 206 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 1: her questions, how exactly do you track these wounds? And 207 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:29,679 Speaker 1: this is something we do in the Morgan. This is 208 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 1: kind of fascinating when we have multiple gunshot wounds, particularly 209 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 1: that are so close together, like in the case of 210 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 1: chatter Motto. We'll use what are referred to as dowel 211 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 1: rods that you can buy at any large box store 212 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:45,959 Speaker 1: or home depot, you know, Blows or Walmart, and they're 213 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 1: wooden dowels, and we have tiny ones in the morgue 214 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:53,839 Speaker 1: and we can actually pass these through the defect that's 215 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 1: created by the projectile, and it will give you an 216 00:13:56,520 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 1: idea of the of the trajectory of the round if 217 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: it travels from above to below or from below to above, 218 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: and also the directionality if it goes from right to 219 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:10,080 Speaker 1: left or left to right, or if it just stays 220 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 1: right straight straight away down the middle line. And when 221 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: you do this, it's kind of odd when you think 222 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: about it, but it's as a demonstration tool, particularly when 223 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 1: you go to court if you have these dowal rods 224 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 1: in place with multiple gunshot wounds, and you've got tracks 225 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 1: that are criss crossing one another, and it makes it 226 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: highly complex. When you put these static little pieces of 227 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 1: wood in there and they're projecting in and out of 228 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: the body and you snap a photograph of that, Suddenly 229 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 1: the jury gets an instantaneous picture of the relationship between 230 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: the shooter and the victim. And that's powerful stuff when 231 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 1: you're a jury member and say, you're not used to 232 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 1: seeing this sort of thing, and lord knows who in 233 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: the world would be, particularly in a case like this 234 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 1: that's just absolute pure butchery, But it orients them to 235 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 1: that space and time and the orientation between Grant in 236 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: his father's head when he executed. So let's talk a 237 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 1: little bit about each crime scene, because we have three. 238 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: We have the kitchen, we have the room that the 239 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: mother was in in the office chair, and a storage room. 240 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 1: Would you not have heard the shots being fired? For 241 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 1: the damn, I mean, the mother and the father were 242 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: home at the same time, So would you not have 243 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 1: heard the shot that killed the father? You know, that's 244 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 1: a fantastic question. Jackie and I have to tell you, 245 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 1: I think that, in my estimation at least, I don't 246 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 1: think you could pull this off with all three of 247 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 1: these individuals in the house at the same time. I 248 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 1: think he laid in wait and kind of worked this 249 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 1: out systematically. In my opinion, The mother is in a 250 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: very static position, Jackie. When you see and I've seen 251 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 1: these crime scene images and they are absolutely horrible, the 252 00:15:56,560 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: mom is just kind of in a very RESTful position. 253 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 1: There's no evidence of struggle or twisting about her this 254 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 1: sort of thing. She is literally laying forward, pitched for it, 255 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 1: if you will, And that's that's a pretty accurate term, 256 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: pitched for it on the surface of this desk. The dad, however, 257 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 1: is laying in what we refer to as a supine position, 258 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: and that's kind of fancy talk for laying face up. 259 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 1: And what's so interesting about this is that when he 260 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 1: is observed at the scene, Jackie, one of the investigators 261 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 1: that was out there, noted that even though he is 262 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: face up, there's an indication Jackie, that he had been moved. 263 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 1: He had been moved post mortem. And the way that 264 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 1: we determine that is that when a body is laying 265 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 1: in a specific position dead blood will settle to a 266 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 1: particular area. Okay. So let's just say, for instance, someone 267 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: is like mister Amato, was lying on his stomach. Okay, 268 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 1: blood will settle to his chest, to his antior chest, 269 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: and to his ab maybe two his thighs. He'll have 270 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:05,719 Speaker 1: points of contact that will be blanched out, and that 271 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 1: blood is going to settle to those areas in fix. 272 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:12,159 Speaker 1: Remember their bodies weren't found to the next day. But 273 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 1: if you manipulate that body in any way, which we 274 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:21,439 Speaker 1: believe happened with Chad, you will still have this anterior 275 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 1: or frontal presentation of lavidity, but it'll be absent on 276 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 1: the back. And that's one of the things we look 277 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 1: for to see if a scene has particularly been staged, 278 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 1: and the term staging came up over and over and 279 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 1: over again, that he tried to make this case or 280 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 1: try to make the scene appear different. And one a 281 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 1: very interesting element with Chad's body is the fact that 282 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:46,919 Speaker 1: he was wearing a holstered weapon. Can you imagine that 283 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: he's wearing a holstered weapon on his belt in his home, 284 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 1: and it's oddly positioned. It's on his right side, but 285 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:58,159 Speaker 1: it's turned so that the butt of the weapon is 286 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 1: facing forward, so you would that's called a cross draw 287 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:05,479 Speaker 1: configuration where an individual, you think about an old Cowboy 288 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 1: movie where a gunfighter would reach across their body and 289 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:12,679 Speaker 1: pull the weapon out safer left handed. You pull it 290 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:15,920 Speaker 1: from your right hip and hold it in your left hand. 291 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 1: But here's the twist. Chad's right handed, but yet this 292 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 1: oddly positioned weapon is positioned on his right hand, so 293 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 1: that if he had to draw that weapon, he would 294 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:31,199 Speaker 1: have had to literally twist his arm around at the 295 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 1: elbow in order to facilitate that. And that's another indication 296 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 1: that this happened after death. They believed that Grant probably 297 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 1: moved the body around in an attempt to strap this 298 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 1: weapon onto his dad. And again another just odd ball 299 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:51,119 Speaker 1: set of circumstances when you get to Cody's body, the 300 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 1: brother and this is this is so sad, you know, 301 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 1: because Cody and Grant were very close. And I remember 302 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:02,119 Speaker 1: watching this trial and you can see Grant sitting at 303 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:04,199 Speaker 1: the table and just weeping when they're talking about his 304 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 1: brother that he shot. And you know, we talked about 305 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:12,679 Speaker 1: execution with mom and dad. With Cody Jackie, he shot 306 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,880 Speaker 1: his brother in the face and What that tells us 307 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:21,640 Speaker 1: is that he was to ie with his brother, who 308 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: was roughly a year and a half to two years 309 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 1: older than him, a kid that he had grown up with, 310 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:27,880 Speaker 1: that they participated in the air soft with, they'd gone 311 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:32,199 Speaker 1: hunting with, they'd done martial arts, they traveled to Japan together. 312 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 1: Can you imagine you're there with your sibling and you 313 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 1: were so obsessed, you're so obsessed with this sexual addiction 314 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:43,959 Speaker 1: that you have to this person that lives in eastern Europe, 315 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:47,679 Speaker 1: that you would take a handgun and pointed at your 316 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 1: own brother's face and kill him. And that's what he did. 317 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:54,199 Speaker 1: He shot him right below his right eye, and that bullet, 318 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 1: that bullet traveled through his brother's head and knocked him 319 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 1: down to the ground. He standing there, he had just 320 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 1: gotten home from work. Jackie was still wearing you know, 321 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:05,439 Speaker 1: his brother's a nurse as well. He's still wearing his 322 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 1: green scrub suit. And even his lunch box. You know, 323 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 1: it's one of those insulated lunch boxes like that zip 324 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:13,880 Speaker 1: you know that you can pack all. It was laying 325 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:18,399 Speaker 1: immediately adjacent to his brother, and in another attempt to 326 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:23,919 Speaker 1: stage a crime scene, he had taken a weapon and 327 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:28,360 Speaker 1: laid it immediately adjacent to his brother's hand, and investigators 328 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 1: believe that Grant had done this in an attempt to 329 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 1: make this look like a murder suicide, that his brother 330 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:37,679 Speaker 1: had walked in the house, shot his mom and dad, 331 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 1: and then took his own life. And you know the 332 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:42,239 Speaker 1: problem with that when you begin to look at it 333 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:45,119 Speaker 1: out of all of the suicides. And I think I've 334 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 1: said this before, but it bears repeating. You know, as 335 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:51,439 Speaker 1: medical legal death investigators, you think that, oh boy. You 336 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 1: know you work at the Corner's office, the medical examin 337 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 1: You work a lot of homicides. You know, suicides actually 338 00:20:56,800 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 1: outnumber homicides probably too, probably three to one actually, so 339 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:05,199 Speaker 1: we work a lot more suicides. I don't recall. In 340 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:09,120 Speaker 1: the course of my career, I can probably count on one, 341 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:12,880 Speaker 1: maybe two hands, how many cases I've worked of self 342 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 1: inflicted gunshot wounds where people shot themselves in the face. Um, 343 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:19,640 Speaker 1: it's just an aid. It's what we call an atypical 344 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:23,360 Speaker 1: gunshot wound. It doesn't fit the pattern. It's more consistent. 345 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 1: And and here's here's the even bigger problem. When the 346 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 1: forensic pathologists was describing these injuries, you know, she's she's 347 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 1: relating the fact that this um that this was not 348 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 1: a close contact gunshot wound. So again that would mean 349 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,160 Speaker 1: him holding the weapon away from his face in order 350 00:21:42,240 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: to shoot himself in the face. Cases like this that 351 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 1: involve a lot of trauma, there's a lot of blood there. 352 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 1: For the investigators people at work in my field of 353 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: medical legal death investigation, it's very difficult to kind of 354 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:21,479 Speaker 1: make your way through these scenes. First off, you're worrying 355 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:26,399 Speaker 1: about the complexity of it, how you can cross contaminate things, 356 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 1: how you're going to destroy your evidence. And I gotta 357 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: tell you this case, the Amouto case, stands out to 358 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: me because it is so very complex that these investigators 359 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 1: would have really have had to take their time in 360 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 1: processing this scene. Jackie well, especially considering that they had 361 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 1: three scenes to process. So I'm wondering, Joe, in looking 362 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 1: at how this was staged. You have each victim in 363 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,919 Speaker 1: a separate room, and as you said, it was thought 364 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 1: that these individuals were killed one at a time. The 365 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 1: dad was killed first in the kitchen, the mom must 366 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:03,919 Speaker 1: have come home and not gone into the kitchen, and 367 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:07,880 Speaker 1: the brother was found in a storage room. I'm curious 368 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: about the storage room. How do we get the brother 369 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: to go to the storage room? Was it in the garage? 370 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,719 Speaker 1: I mean, how do we keep the brother from not 371 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:19,879 Speaker 1: going through the house and discovering what's going on? Was 372 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:24,159 Speaker 1: this planned or was this a crime of passion and 373 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 1: opportunity for it to happen that way? I think that 374 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 1: this was plan Jackie, and I you know, I'll go 375 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 1: back to my earlier point that it's my belief that 376 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,640 Speaker 1: that he laid in wait for these individuals he knew. 377 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,439 Speaker 1: He kind of if you ever you know, if you 378 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,639 Speaker 1: ever watched a cat that's going to spring on something, 379 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 1: I think that that's what he was. He was sitting 380 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 1: on go in the house as the opportunity presented itself, 381 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 1: as he presented himself as stealthily as possible in this 382 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 1: environment which he knew very well. Remember, this is his home. 383 00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,880 Speaker 1: He knows all the blind spots, he knows the place 384 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 1: is to hide. He also knows the tendencies of the 385 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 1: people that he lived in the house with, mom, dad 386 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 1: and brother. And just think about it. I mean, we 387 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,119 Speaker 1: you know, for those of us in our audience that 388 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,399 Speaker 1: live with individuals, you know what the tendencies are. You 389 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,399 Speaker 1: know where they're going to come and go and that 390 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 1: sort of thing. You know, they're timing, you know, when 391 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 1: they're going to arrive at home, so he everything is 392 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 1: stacked in his advantage. And you know, this is this 393 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:30,400 Speaker 1: is quite interesting little aside here, but you know, when 394 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 1: you come home, home is associated with haven, it's associated 395 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 1: with a place of safety, a place of security. So 396 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 1: your guard is down. You know, when you walk into 397 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 1: a home, it's not like you're turning down at dark 398 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 1: alley and you don't know what's down. There's someplace you've 399 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 1: never been before. But in the context of coming home 400 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:53,920 Speaker 1: and making your way through the house, it's it's going 401 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,159 Speaker 1: to give you a false sense of security. So if 402 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 1: you've got somebody that means to do you harm in 403 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,919 Speaker 1: this case Grant a model, then your guard will be 404 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,119 Speaker 1: down for that amount of time and it's easy for 405 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 1: him to pray. And you know, and this is another thing. 406 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 1: And when you have the familiarity you remember I was 407 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 1: talking about the mom, how she was kind of in 408 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 1: this relaxed position at the desk. You don't expect for 409 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:20,680 Speaker 1: your son to kill you if your dad, same thing, 410 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:24,119 Speaker 1: And when Cody comes home, he doesn't you know, you know, 411 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 1: his brother could approach him quite easily, and he would 412 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 1: have his guard down. He'd just be holding his lunch 413 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 1: box in his hand. He'd be there in his scrubs 414 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:33,880 Speaker 1: and he'd be you know, hey, bro, how you doing. 415 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,439 Speaker 1: And the next thing, you know, the last thing he 416 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 1: sees is maybe a puff of smoke, and his life 417 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 1: comes to an end. And so all of these given 418 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 1: the close proximity of kind of the storage area that's there, 419 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 1: which is near a point of entrance. You've got Mom 420 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:55,400 Speaker 1: that is there in her you know, in her office area, 421 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 1: which most of us feel very safe, and then Dad 422 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 1: to send the kitchen. Their guard is going to be 423 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 1: down at those moments in time. What's kind of interesting 424 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,119 Speaker 1: about this case though, And you really have to just 425 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 1: let me say this to you and let you wrap 426 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 1: your brain around this. After Mom and Dad had died, 427 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,879 Speaker 1: Investigators estimate and just listen to this very carefully and 428 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:25,719 Speaker 1: let it sink in. Investigators estimate that Granda Motto stayed 429 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:30,120 Speaker 1: in the house with his executed parents, these individuals that 430 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:35,200 Speaker 1: had loved him, taking care of him, tolerated him through 431 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,199 Speaker 1: all of this nonsense that he was involved in. He 432 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 1: stayed in that house. Jackie for four hours with their bodies. 433 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 1: Can you Emaine staying in there as your parents lay 434 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 1: there on the floor and in their office area waiting, 435 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 1: just waiting for your brother Cody to come walking through 436 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:56,919 Speaker 1: the door so that you can end his life to 437 00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:00,959 Speaker 1: Another interesting aspect of this show is that, well, actually 438 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,919 Speaker 1: there's more than one. Grant was a member of a 439 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 1: competitive Aerosoft team, which means he had firearms experience. Maybe 440 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 1: not leathal firearms experience, but to be able to win 441 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 1: an Aerosoft competition you have to be accurate. And also, 442 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 1: Grant a Motto, had some medical training, so he would 443 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 1: have known the best place to shoot to kill. Yeah, right, 444 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 1: you are, Jackie. Yeah, he was part of an airsoft team, 445 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 1: as was his brother. I mean he had firearms proficiency 446 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 1: in addition to airsoft proficiency. You know, airsoft proficiency, even 447 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 1: though it's not the same as an actual firearm, it 448 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 1: gives you. It gives you proficiency in the area of 449 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,119 Speaker 1: being able to aim and put put the weapon on 450 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,160 Speaker 1: target if you will, and moving targets, you know, because 451 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 1: these guys run all over the place where they're doing that, 452 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 1: And there's several images of him where he's all camoed out. 453 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,640 Speaker 1: You know, he's dressed, he's carrying these weapons that look 454 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,199 Speaker 1: like military style weapons, but their air soft weapons. But 455 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,359 Speaker 1: you have to keep in mind he also owned and 456 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:08,480 Speaker 1: the family did, um multiple real firearms as well. And 457 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 1: there's even images of him out you know, fire and 458 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,440 Speaker 1: shot guns and all these sorts of things. So he 459 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:18,440 Speaker 1: was not uncomfortable, uncomfortable in a world of firearms. And 460 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:23,479 Speaker 1: so that that becomes kind of wrote. You know, when 461 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 1: when you begin to think about the family coming home 462 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 1: and him essentially ambushing him. I mean it's like he 463 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 1: had been practicing for this for a while, um in 464 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 1: his mind, because you know, when everything began to collapse 465 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 1: around him. And you know, one thing I forgot to 466 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 1: mention to you had mentioned that he was a nurse, 467 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 1: and he was a nurse. He just he flunked out 468 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 1: of anesthesia school, um and U. But he was a 469 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 1: practicing nurse. But this is interesting as well, Jackie. You know, 470 00:28:53,480 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 1: he had been caught at work, um in the Orlando area, 471 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:06,480 Speaker 1: at his job stealing h stealing a drug that is 472 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 1: used as a sedative, what they refer to as a 473 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 1: pre anesthesia drug. It's one of these drugs that they'll 474 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 1: give you, you know, like I'll give you an example 475 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 1: for anybody's ever had surgery. You know that when the 476 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 1: nurse goes to inject your your IV line, they'll say, 477 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 1: now you're going to feel something cold in your line, 478 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, the world begins to 479 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 1: get kind of milky and warm and that sort of thing. 480 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 1: And that's that's kind of what they do before they 481 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 1: give you the jolt of the antidual. Well, this drug, 482 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 1: in particular, Jackie, he had stolen in excess of four 483 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 1: thousand dollars worth these drugs, and not only had he 484 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 1: been fired from the hospital, but they were pressing charges 485 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 1: for grand theft in addition to this. And I think 486 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 1: that this probably wound up in the suspension of his 487 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 1: nursing license. So all of this was like kind of 488 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 1: this perfect storm that was cycling about in his life. 489 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 1: What you know, it was going to send him down 490 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 1: in flames, and unfortunately, you know, his family wound up 491 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 1: bearing the brunt of it. Why would he have stolen 492 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 1: these drugs show? Is it possible that he intended to 493 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 1: use them on his parents or maybe sell them to 494 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:20,480 Speaker 1: get more money for his webcam girlfriend? A fantastic question, Jackie, 495 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 1: and I think that it's probably going to be the 496 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 1: latter more than likely because and I'll tell you why. 497 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,719 Speaker 1: First off, there was no evidence that they had this 498 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 1: particular drug, propafall is the name of it. There was 499 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 1: no evidence of this in their system, and this had 500 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 1: happened a couple of months prior to but he had 501 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 1: been acquiring these mets. I think that there would be 502 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 1: a higher possibility that he could have sold them. What 503 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 1: his rationale that he gave when he was questioned wasn't 504 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 1: I guess he viewed himself as some kind of Florence 505 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 1: Nightingale because he presented himself to the staff and to 506 00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,160 Speaker 1: the police. He's like, well, you know, my patient, it's 507 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 1: on the floor or under medicated. So I wanted to 508 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 1: assist him by injecting them with this medication in order to, 509 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 1: I don't know, alleviate their pain or their anxiety or 510 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 1: whatever it was. But I found that quite telling as well. 511 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 1: This is a very dangerous environment for somebody that has 512 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 1: this kind of proclivity, if you will, to be around 513 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 1: really sick people and applying this very very powerful hypnotic 514 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 1: drug that can really depress the system. I'm they're very 515 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 1: fortunate that if he did apply it to these people, 516 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 1: that he didn't kill them. So, you know, no one 517 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 1: really knows what he did with a drug, but they 518 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 1: know that the drugs were missing and they tied it 519 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 1: back to him, and I think that that's again, this 520 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 1: goes into this kind of pathology that he's dealing with. 521 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 1: He was on a real downhill slide. I'm Joseph Scott 522 00:31:56,080 --> 00:32:04,680 Speaker 1: Morgan in this is Bodybacks