1 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: What's up everybody. Welcome back to Wrestling with Freddy, and 2 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 1: we have a very special guest today. I'm always excited 3 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:12,480 Speaker 1: when I get the chance to speak to him. He's 4 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:17,119 Speaker 1: succeeded in so many different areas of art and uh 5 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:19,600 Speaker 1: and life, and I like getting to speak to these 6 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: types of people more than anyone else. So let's start 7 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: the show. Welcome to Wrestling with Freddy. Now stopping up 8 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: for the mic, the host of Wrestling with Freddie Freddie 9 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 1: Prince June. Yah, ladies and gentlemen, please welcome one of 10 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:39,480 Speaker 1: the all time greats and one of my favorites, Mr 11 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: Chris Jericho. All right, and I'm excited to you. You've 12 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: done my show before, and now it's only fair that 13 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: I do yours in return. How are you, brother? I'm 14 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: doing good, man, I'm doing good. Like I said. Uh, 15 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: you know, we've been busy this whole time, over the 16 00:00:57,760 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: last year and a half, you know, with with a 17 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: w and of course now that we're all back on 18 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 1: the road and there's crowds and other stuff. So for me, 19 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 1: the whole uh you know, lockdown and Pandemic was obviously 20 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: a hindrance, but we still kept moving every week so 21 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: it wasn't like I was ever, you know, stuck in 22 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: a house and couldn't go be creative, so that that 23 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 1: kind of helped me. So I've been actually really good 24 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:21,679 Speaker 1: over the last you know, a couple of years. See, 25 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:24,320 Speaker 1: for me, it was the opposite because I'm an introvert, 26 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 1: so I literally was in heaven. I was like, I 27 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 1: don't have to see anyone going anywhere. I'll sit in 28 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: my little studio and write all day long. It was heaven. 29 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 1: A lot of people like that, absolutely, so it was 30 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 1: I don't do very long episodes, but we got a 31 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:43,479 Speaker 1: lot to catch up on. Sure. Since I last spoke 32 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: to you, you helped you helped create an entire new 33 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 1: wrestling federation and uh it has since launched. It has 34 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: become wildly successful. And the growth that you guys are showing, 35 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: and I'm not talking about numbers and all that stuff 36 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: because I don't care about that. You guys are gonna 37 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: beyond ten years regardless of numbers, and then people can 38 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: talk about whether or not mountains have been climbed, but 39 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: you guys have already kind of established a foundation. I 40 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 1: like watching, and I watch much more consistently than I originally. Uh, 41 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: did with this younger talent that you guys are bringing up. 42 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: You're seeing creative growth on a damn near weekly basis 43 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: with some of these younger people. And I don't know 44 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 1: how much you're willing to go behind the curtain here 45 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 1: and how much of the the sort of love you're 46 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: willing to share. But a lot of these young kids. 47 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: I watched someone like m JF. And I'm just sitting 48 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 1: there like he's doing an old school thing but in 49 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: a new school way, and somehow he's It's like Japan, 50 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: like they exist with like the oldest of old and 51 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 1: the newest of new, and they don't crap on each 52 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 1: other and somehow they make it work. And I he's 53 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: this weird hybrid that I don't know if people are 54 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: are used to see him for a while. Do you 55 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 1: want to talk about him or are you supposed to 56 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 1: hate him right now? Do you want to smash him 57 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 1: in the face. Um, this is not a movie, you know. 58 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 1: This is not uh, you know, like your experience doing 59 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 1: Scooby Doo or whatever it may be. It's like, this 60 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 1: is not a script for somebody wrote it and this 61 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:20,519 Speaker 1: is the part you play for the next ninety minutes. 62 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: This is something that we play on a weekly basis. 63 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: Like you said, for ten years for me thirty one years. Uh, 64 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 1: you cannot write a promo for me. Um, that's gonna 65 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:34,519 Speaker 1: be better than what I can write for myself now 66 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: in w B after working there for you know, a 67 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: dozen years, I had kind of more freedom to to 68 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 1: do that, but a lot of other guys didn't and 69 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 1: would kind of have to do what they were told, 70 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 1: and therefore it gets very uh, stagnant, sterile. It doesn't 71 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 1: feel real. And I think the a W from day 72 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: one has always let the guys do their own promos, 73 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: write their own stuff. Something I said, let the pro 74 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: was be pros. That's what we're paid to be. And 75 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 1: whether it's being on screen, behind the scenes, lighting whatever, 76 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 1: I'm not going to tell the lighting director how he 77 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: should light my face because we hire right. We have 78 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: the old school John Malkovitch philosophy where he says, hey, 79 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: I don't tell you where to put the cameras, don't 80 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 1: tell me about my motivation exactly it's right. And it's 81 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:25,679 Speaker 1: the Clint Eastwood thing where where you hear where he's 82 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: doesn't do a lot of takes. Why is that? Because 83 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 1: I hired these guys because I thought they're the best 84 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,279 Speaker 1: guys for the part. I don't need twenty takes to 85 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 1: convince me of that one or two is pretty much 86 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 1: going to be the closest, right. I feel the same 87 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 1: with a W. So when you take a kind of 88 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 1: like and JF, if he was in another company, they 89 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: would probably give him more of a script, which is 90 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:48,840 Speaker 1: not going to be the same as when you just 91 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: talk off the cuff. Though sometimes he says things, I 92 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:53,600 Speaker 1: say things all of us do that maybe we're a 93 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:55,919 Speaker 1: little bit over the line, But for the most part, 94 00:04:56,240 --> 00:05:00,599 Speaker 1: it's more real, and it feels more admitted, and it 95 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 1: just feels, uh like the whole scenario is more legit. 96 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: And I think the first thing people notice when they 97 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: started seeing a W from day one is that this 98 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:13,600 Speaker 1: just feels different because the guys can be more of 99 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: the characters that they want to be and not characters 100 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: that have to be approved through. And you know this 101 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: more than anybody four or five sets of rewrites and 102 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:24,599 Speaker 1: redrafts and approvals four or five, I mean they had 103 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 1: in their given notes. So like, right, it's going in 104 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 1: on right now. Yeah, And you know, like I said, 105 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 1: if if, if you and I were going to write 106 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: a script, and we honed it and did rewrites and 107 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: rewrites and wrists and finally sold it. For the most part, 108 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: that script that we're now casting our our actors with 109 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 1: would be you know, ninety complete most of the time, 110 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: most of the time in this you know, if in 111 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:54,599 Speaker 1: the w W world they're writing their scripts the day 112 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: of the show sometimes and then changing it right up 113 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:00,719 Speaker 1: to Uh, there's no way you can really master that 114 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: as a performer. The best way is just your own 115 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: personal character and knowing your character better than anybody else. 116 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: What would I say? What would I do? Know? Some 117 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 1: guys need help. M JF doesn't need help, Chris Jericho 118 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: doesn't need help. Those type of guys can go out 119 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,679 Speaker 1: there and do what they what they're paid to do, 120 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 1: and it just comes across better. And as a result, 121 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:22,840 Speaker 1: I think more people really enjoyed our show right out 122 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:24,599 Speaker 1: of the gate because of that I might not have 123 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:27,279 Speaker 1: expected at first, because of them, Well, wrestling is wrestling. 124 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: That's not the case. Yeah, that's not the case at all. 125 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 1: Let's uh, I wasn't expecting to go down this road. 126 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: But let's go a little deeper into that. Because when 127 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:37,719 Speaker 1: I when I worked there. You hit me with a 128 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 1: couple of philosophies and you probably won't even remember one 129 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,599 Speaker 1: of them, but I really took it to heart. But 130 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:45,719 Speaker 1: before we get into that, I want to talk about 131 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 1: that writing element, because I always felt if you didn't 132 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 1: know how to write your own promo, you needed someone 133 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 1: like me. If you did, what am I what? What 134 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 1: would we do? Like? There's no there's nothing that I 135 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 1: can give you that you don't already know how to do. 136 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 1: And most of the time, the people who knew how 137 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: to write their own promos were already over to some extent, 138 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: so they didn't need much help getting over outside of 139 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: the other person in the ring. Where I found it 140 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:18,239 Speaker 1: to be most beneficial were people that either a couldn't 141 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: do it and guys that were literally like, yo, man, 142 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 1: could you just like give me a line reading and 143 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 1: I'll just do it like like you do it. I'm like, 144 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: all right, but you gotta sound tougher than me. I 145 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: sound like, you know, a stoner from l A. You 146 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: gotta sound like a badass. So um. The one thing 147 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: that I did find though, was I could help problem 148 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 1: solve a lot of the overwritten stuff. Right. I remember 149 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: seeing an m v P promo and he hated it 150 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: because Vince wrote it and or rewrote it, I should say. 151 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: And I was kind of sitting in the back looking 152 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 1: and I already knew what the fix was, right. It 153 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 1: was just one little line that needed to be tweaked, 154 00:07:58,000 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 1: and I knew it would be in his voice, and 155 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 1: that was the problem. None of it was in his voice. 156 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: And I finally just said, all right, he's either gonna 157 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: knock me out, because we had never met and he 158 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 1: wasn't giving me like a come on in and help 159 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: out kind of. I said, he's either gonna throw a 160 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: punch or he's gonna hear this out and I'll earn 161 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: some respect. And I ran up and he was with 162 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 1: he was with DJ, and I said, hey, man, I 163 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: think it's just this one little line and it's kind 164 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: of like a pulp fiction vibe. And I hit him 165 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: with the line and he looked at me like he 166 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 1: was gonna kill me. And I said the line and 167 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: he goes, don't go anywhere, sit down, and I was like, okay, okay, 168 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 1: I'm in, and we rewrote the promo real quick, and 169 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: I just let him basically say what he wanted to say. 170 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 1: And then I would kind of like put a couple 171 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: of words there to bring those sentences together. And he 172 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: and I had a really good working We became really 173 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 1: good friends after that, even though he wanted to kill me. Um. 174 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 1: But when I went to like pitch ideas, I would 175 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: run into walls a lot. And then you and I 176 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 1: had a conversation. And again I don't know if you'll 177 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 1: remember this, but I was having a hard time pitching, 178 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 1: uh some of the smaller guys, and you just kind 179 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 1: of smiled and like looked away like you were remembering 180 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 1: something way back when. And I didn't know what it was. 181 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:12,679 Speaker 1: But I'm like staring at him, like what's he gonna say? 182 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: What's he gonna say? And whatever you were gonna say, 183 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 1: you changed to Freddie. He's his father's son, and I went, 184 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 1: I went, what do you what do you? What do 185 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: you mean? I mean, I grew up without no dad, 186 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 1: so it didn't click with me. And you said, his 187 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 1: dad loved the big guys, and he's his father's son, 188 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 1: so he's always going to see the big guy able 189 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 1: to beat up the small guy, no matter how much 190 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: evidence you show him, because his father told him it 191 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 1: was that way. And I remember like getting on the 192 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 1: plane and with Vince and kind of like looking at him, 193 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 1: and I just changed. It changed my whole philosophy on 194 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 1: how I pitched things, especially how I pitched the smaller guy. 195 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 1: And the first one I tried it with was Kofi, 196 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 1: and I literally just I pitched it like a like 197 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 1: a Spider Man comic where all the bad guys beat 198 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 1: up Spider Man the whole time, but it's his like 199 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 1: goodness that's going to sort of bring it out and 200 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: not Hulk out. But you know, we always pitched it 201 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 1: where and of course you know he wouldn't win the 202 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 1: he wouldn't win the title, but we'll just get him 203 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:23,319 Speaker 1: into that match, and you know we'd always be like, well, 204 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:26,680 Speaker 1: cross that title bridge when we get there. So so 205 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 1: it really changed the way I pitched, and I started 206 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 1: having a lot of success with it. And after Kofi 207 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:36,199 Speaker 1: came to Jeff Hardy storyline which brought him to the Championship, 208 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 1: and I literally started just looking for different angles, and 209 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: I started seeing that he was selling more merch than 210 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 1: even Hunter was selling, and so that's what I went 211 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 1: into the pitch with. It was like, you know, the 212 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: creative was the creative but I was like, hey man, 213 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 1: this dude selling more merch than anyone in the company 214 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:55,319 Speaker 1: right now, and even the people who were against the idea, like, 215 00:10:55,400 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: he's selling more merched than you. Brom You've got thirty 216 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: plus years in this business, and I've seen matches of 217 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: you all over the world. You know that I have 218 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 1: a weird obsession with Asian culture. You gotta talk to 219 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 1: me about Japan. I know we don't have a ton 220 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: of time, and I got a million things I want 221 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 1: to talk to you about. But is Japan where you 222 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: made your bones? Or was Canada really weird? Not made 223 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: your bones? Found yourself? Is where you found yourself? Let 224 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,440 Speaker 1: me kind of tie it all together, because because that 225 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: is the true story it is to this day, like 226 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: w B has always been a big man's territory. Um. 227 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 1: It started in the sixties and seventies with with Vince's dad, 228 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 1: and Vince loves big guys. It's just the way it is. 229 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 1: It's the culture he came up in. And even when 230 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: when some of the smaller guys get a shot, it 231 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 1: still goes back to bigger guys more often than not. 232 00:11:57,320 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: Having said that, so, in the early nineties, when I 233 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:03,199 Speaker 1: first started I was very small, in five eleven two 234 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 1: twenty pounds. This was the whole Camania era still, which 235 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:10,679 Speaker 1: was six three hundred pounds. So how do you get 236 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 1: into the business. Well, I knew starting on Canadian Independence, 237 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:16,320 Speaker 1: I'd never be the biggest guy in the show, but 238 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:18,719 Speaker 1: I could have the biggest character and the biggest personality 239 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: and the biggest charisma. So I started kind of focusing 240 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 1: on that, which very much helped me throughout the years 241 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: even to this day. Then where do you go? Well, um, 242 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 1: you could go to the indies around Canada, but if 243 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:33,959 Speaker 1: you wanted to go to the big leagues, which for 244 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:35,959 Speaker 1: me was always do w to b it just wasn't 245 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 1: the place at the time. Everyone was too big. So 246 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 1: I was also really into Stampede Wrestling which was in Calgary, 247 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 1: and all of those types of guys, which was your 248 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: Owen Heart, Chris Bena, Brian Pillman, the smaller guys that 249 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 1: I could tell like, these guys are probably my size, 250 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 1: you know, plus thirty pounds of muscle, but they're very 251 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:56,079 Speaker 1: athletic and acrobatic, and I was very mu especially Owen Hard. 252 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 1: I was very connected with Owen and what he was doing. 253 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: What is this Owen Hard do he wrestles in Japan. 254 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:04,559 Speaker 1: He wrestles in Mexico. Well, that's interesting to me. How 255 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 1: can I do that? So that's kind of where all 256 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:08,959 Speaker 1: that started. In Calgary was still at the time of 257 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 1: very big wrestling hotbed where there was guys working in 258 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 1: Mexico and guys working in Japan. So I got a 259 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:18,839 Speaker 1: couple of tours of Mexico, which then led me to 260 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 1: meeting Ultimo Dragon, who still wrestles to this day, who 261 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:25,959 Speaker 1: was wrestling in Japan and was looking for arrival uh 262 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 1: and not arrival a rival um. And so that kind 263 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:32,319 Speaker 1: of where is where I stepped in, and I got 264 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 1: a couple of tours there right off the bat and 265 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 1: did good, so I kind of got a steady job 266 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 1: there very quickly. So Mexico and Japan is where I 267 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:45,320 Speaker 1: made my mark the most uh and the earliest, because 268 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 1: it wasn't so much based on size, it was based 269 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: on athleticism and showmanship. So when I was twenty two 270 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 1: years old, I was like, uh, probably like you when 271 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 1: you were twenty two, Fred Freddie I was a cover 272 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 1: boy as well, on the cover of all of all 273 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 1: the team Beat magazines and those type of things. In 274 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 1: in in Mexico, and you know chicks when you win 275 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: a date with Cortazon de Leon was was my name, 276 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 1: and all that sort of stuff. And also and it 277 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:16,439 Speaker 1: also wrestling had just gone on TV a few years 278 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: priors of wrestling was huge in Mexico. So it's very 279 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: much a Beatlemania type of of a reaction with and 280 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: chicks like you come out of the arena and they're 281 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: just fucking guy. This is not exaggeration. Remember getting kissed 282 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 1: on the cheek and grabbed and pulled and uh. They 283 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 1: used very red lipstick that would basically tattoo itself to 284 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 1: your skin. You could wash that for an hour and 285 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: it would still have read. And after a while, I 286 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: just walked around with red marks on my face. What 287 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 1: else can I do? And this is not to say 288 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 1: look at me, I'm such a stud. It's just to 289 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 1: say this is how popular was so right out of 290 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 1: the gate at a young age, I had that fame. 291 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: But also too, I was learning from the best workers 292 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: in Mexico because I was in the main event. So 293 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 1: because I was the good looking baby face who could work, 294 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: I was working with Negro Costas and Bestislava and you 295 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 1: know Sangre Chakana and all these types of guys Altahano 296 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 1: and and and and Silver King. So I was learning 297 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 1: how to work a different style, and then that nailed 298 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 1: me go to Japan, where I learned another style. So 299 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 1: by the time I was four, I'd already had five 300 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 1: years of main event experience all around the world. A 301 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 1: lot of guys don't have that at the time, and 302 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 1: they still don't have it to this day. So I 303 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: was very fortunate because of that international flavor. I still 304 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 1: work that way to this day and can pull things 305 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 1: that I learned from Negro Kostas in n that no 306 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: one remembers and no one knows, but I know it. 307 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: And then I can pull what I learned from, you know, 308 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 1: Sean Michaels, or what I learned from Ultimo Dragon, or 309 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 1: where I learned from Eddie Guerrero and all these different guys, 310 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 1: and next time I have a match with Darby Allen 311 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: or Jungle Boy or m JF or Eddie Kingston, I 312 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 1: can kind of bring in something extra to the table 313 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 1: because of the way things were when I first started. 314 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 1: You're still talking about young people. You always thinking about 315 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 1: getting the next person you have to from day one 316 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 1: and a W Freddie and and once again it's something 317 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 1: this is not a w B bash. I worked there 318 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: for for almost twenty years. I loved working for w B. 319 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 1: But one thing that they still have an issue with, 320 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: and you can see it if you watch the show 321 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 1: is building new stars. They really have a problem with that. 322 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: I don't know why, but once again, it doesn't matter 323 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 1: to me what they do. From day one and a 324 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 1: W when we showed up on October two, even before that, 325 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 1: when we showed up for the first couple of pay 326 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 1: per views, we had no television deal. Then when we 327 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: finally got one on T n T, it was an 328 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 1: ad revenue share. Now what that means for people that 329 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: don't know, is you make the money based on the advertising. 330 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: If fifty advertisers, you get a share, If one advertiser, 331 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 1: you get a share. So it was not a big 332 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 1: monster deal. So I realized early on is being the 333 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 1: kind of the face of the company and the one 334 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: guy that the national audience knew besides Jim Ross, but 335 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: the one guy that was in the ring. I mean, 336 00:16:56,880 --> 00:17:00,040 Speaker 1: they knew Cody maybe, but not really. And Kenny and 337 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 1: the Bucks were kind of more independent or popularly in 338 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:06,159 Speaker 1: other countries. I need to make new stars as quickly 339 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 1: as I can, Cody being one of them, Uh, Kenny 340 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 1: Omega being another one. And then you moved to look 341 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:15,159 Speaker 1: at my first few programs like that Match three in 342 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 1: a W was versus Darby Allen. Then Jungle Boy was 343 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:21,160 Speaker 1: right around that time. And then you know then John Moxley, 344 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 1: who had to be rehabbed when he came from w W. 345 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: MOCKX was not mocks when he first showed up. He 346 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 1: was still Dean Ambrose, kind of the goofy guy that 347 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:31,400 Speaker 1: wasn't funny doing a little stupid ship. They made him 348 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:34,360 Speaker 1: do we talk about writers. We we had to make 349 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 1: him into a star right out of the bat. So 350 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 1: all of those guys, if you look at the first 351 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 1: six months pre lockdown in a W, I worked with 352 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 1: all of them so very quickly. We had six to 353 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:46,680 Speaker 1: eight to ten guys that were all shouldering the load. 354 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:50,199 Speaker 1: And four months after our first date October two or 355 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:52,400 Speaker 1: three months we we went from the ad ReBs share 356 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: to a contract for I believe a hundred and sixty 357 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:57,639 Speaker 1: million dollars for four years. Because of the demos and 358 00:17:57,760 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 1: ratings we got right out of the gate. That add 359 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 1: that AD revenue share is such an old school Hollywood 360 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 1: move and it's I mean, it's literally like walking on 361 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:11,199 Speaker 1: a plank and the captain of the ship is like, 362 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:14,160 Speaker 1: tell me a joker. It's the ocean for you. If 363 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 1: I don't laugh, it is the scare. I've been in 364 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 1: negotiations where that was on the table. Then I was 365 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 1: just curious. Okay, so it's a dent gamble on myself 366 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: right on. Let's see what happens. I guess, you know. 367 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:27,399 Speaker 1: And and then when I first started podcast, it was 368 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:29,879 Speaker 1: the same as it was an AD share And then 369 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:32,160 Speaker 1: you know, either you you you strike up a chord 370 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: and get a fan base quickly, or you don't. So 371 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:37,439 Speaker 1: we were able to get one very quickly, and it 372 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:39,959 Speaker 1: paid off in space. And now if you look at 373 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 1: the television contracts that are out there, I mean, we 374 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: are primed if we continue doing the demos that we're 375 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 1: doing for a huge renewal when the time comes, just 376 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 1: because the ratings and more important because the demos that 377 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 1: we've been acquiring. Let's talk about multiple show business real quick. 378 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 1: Have Look, you've been able to succeed in a lot 379 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:02,920 Speaker 1: of different areas, not just wrestling, but through rock and roll, 380 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 1: especially in this decade of your life. I mean, I 381 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 1: know you've done it longer, but you've really kind of 382 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 1: exploded with Fozzy. My son rocked out to it when 383 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 1: I would drive him to school on Syria Sex m 384 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:18,640 Speaker 1: because you were on the hard rock station, not thirty five, 385 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 1: not thirty six, but thirty seven, and even he was 386 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 1: rocking out to it. Do you think that wrestling opened 387 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:31,160 Speaker 1: that door for you or do you think that door 388 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 1: would have been opened and wrestling slowed it down. I mean, 389 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 1: it's really hard to transfer from one craft to another 390 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: in any form of show business. It is. I mean, 391 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: like I said, you know all about this because I 392 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 1: know Hollywood is and you came in. You know as 393 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:49,440 Speaker 1: as the teen heartthrob, Well, how does the teen heartthrob 394 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:53,439 Speaker 1: transposed to winning an oscar at fifty? I mean, you 395 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 1: do get stuck into a mold that people want you 396 00:19:57,040 --> 00:20:00,399 Speaker 1: to be in Fozzy. I think at the start it 397 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:02,680 Speaker 1: was probably more hindered by the fact that I was 398 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 1: a wrestler rather than helped. I think we had to 399 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:09,160 Speaker 1: work twice as hard to get people's respect because there 400 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 1: are so many bands in Hollywood, um from different actors 401 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 1: and stuff. And that's fine. I mean, everybody should do 402 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: what they want to do. But I don't think people 403 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 1: took it as serious at first, solely because I was 404 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: the singer. What really kind of opened the door was 405 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:25,119 Speaker 1: the fact that we never quit, we never stopped, and 406 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 1: we worked, like I said, twice as hard. But for us, 407 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: the real difference is when we started getting played on 408 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:36,360 Speaker 1: rock radio, like you mentioned, but across the country too. 409 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 1: I never realized how important rock radio is two bands, 410 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: even in two then I never realized until we started 411 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 1: getting played on rock radio how it just took things 412 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 1: through the roof. And then finally when Judas came out 413 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 1: and that became the elusive hit single. I mean I 414 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:55,879 Speaker 1: I got videos on Twitter last night, one from London 415 00:20:55,960 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 1: Stadium or west Ham this was sing that was an amazing, 416 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 1: amazing and in the same day with Carolina Hurricanes playing 417 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: it during their period their play breaks too, So you've 418 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: got both of these things, um happening at the same time. 419 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:16,640 Speaker 1: Now Judas has gone from you know, a fosy song 420 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:18,879 Speaker 1: to more of a universal sports arena song. I'm not 421 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 1: all happened because of rock radio and timing and the 422 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 1: fact that we just kept continuing to build and write 423 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:27,879 Speaker 1: good songs and work with the right people. Rock radio 424 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: when they support you. And and my uncle who discovered 425 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:35,919 Speaker 1: my dad and Richard Pryor before comics. He had musicians, 426 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 1: so he had friends, He had Van Halen, he had 427 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 1: x Exene from that punk band X back in the day, 428 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 1: and any the power of radio is this when you're 429 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: driving down the road and you just got off work, 430 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:53,359 Speaker 1: or you had an audition that you knew was gonna 431 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 1: go great and instead of just sucked ass and was 432 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 1: and you know you're not gonna get it, or your 433 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: old lady just broke up with you, or maybe your 434 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,639 Speaker 1: old ladies driving you crazy and you put on the 435 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 1: radio just to yell and scream, and then all of 436 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:09,200 Speaker 1: a sudden, the song comes on that just like clicks everything. 437 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 1: And that's why radio is never gonna die, because you're 438 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 1: always going to be in a car at some point, 439 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 1: piste off at someone, and there's just a certain song 440 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 1: that brings you back. Man. I mean, I I got spoiled, 441 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 1: like I got a soft spot for for three types 442 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: of people, stand up comics because my old man, professional 443 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:32,440 Speaker 1: wrestlers and rock and roll stars. Okay, so it's until 444 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 1: you go on stage and crack some jokes. Then you'll 445 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: become like sainted in my in my mind, i've done 446 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 1: that before that you are, you'll be the saint that 447 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 1: your your next gimmick from Less Shampyond to Saint Christopher St. Jericho. 448 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 1: That's right. But yeah, man, ever since I was a kid, 449 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:54,639 Speaker 1: I remember it was my twelfth birthday. It was and 450 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 1: I was in my uncle's backyard in Brentwood, California, and 451 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: Exan and the band punk band X were there in it. 452 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 1: She was married to Vigo Mortenson at the time. This 453 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: was before he was like famous famous. He was just 454 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,879 Speaker 1: an actor named Vigo. And uh, she's sang a punk 455 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 1: rock version of Happy Birthday to me and my cousin Kate, 456 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 1: and then uh, she was leaving and I said, oh, 457 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:20,880 Speaker 1: please don't go, could you. I don't remember what song 458 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 1: I asked her to play, so would you please just 459 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 1: play one more thing? She goes, I can't. I'm going 460 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 1: to a Belinda car She had a cigarette. She goes, 461 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 1: I'm going to Belinda Carlisle concert. And I was like, 462 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 1: what Belinda car In my head, I'm like Belinda Carla 463 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:34,160 Speaker 1: and she goes, yeah, I'm going to kick her fucking 464 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 1: ass and she just walked out. I'm twelve, so until 465 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 1: I was like sixteen, I believe she legit like went 466 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 1: there to Beta Hell on a poor little Bolinda Carla. 467 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 1: But I've always I've always loved rock stars because of 468 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,640 Speaker 1: that very first encounter that I had with one, which 469 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,360 Speaker 1: was her, And every time I've met him, I've had 470 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,399 Speaker 1: the best time. And now you get to live the 471 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,679 Speaker 1: wrestler life, which is tough, but then you get the 472 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 1: rock star life just glory. So you have like the 473 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:06,880 Speaker 1: perfect the perfect balance. Man. Well you know what, dude, 474 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:08,400 Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's kind of one of those 475 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 1: miss umbers. Like, you know, rock and roll isn't as 476 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,879 Speaker 1: glamorous as you think, especially when you first start. Like 477 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 1: anything else, it's like wrestling, you are acting like you 478 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 1: gotta just go with the flow and travel in a 479 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,159 Speaker 1: van and you know, do all the things you gotta do. 480 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 1: Now we've reached a certain level where we have a 481 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 1: nice tour bus and um, so that that takes things different. 482 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 1: But you know when we toured with Slash, you know, 483 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 1: Slash has a really nice tour bus that takes him 484 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 1: to a really nice hotel where he gets off the 485 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,640 Speaker 1: bus and stays overnight and then in the morning gets 486 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 1: back in the bus and drives, you know, forty five 487 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 1: minutes of the gig. For us, you're driving sometimes you 488 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 1: know three d four miles on the bus and when 489 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,439 Speaker 1: you get to the gig, there's a shower in the 490 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,400 Speaker 1: gig if you're lucky. If not, you get a day 491 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,640 Speaker 1: room where you go have a shower, but you get 492 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 1: back onto the bus to sleep and travel. So there's 493 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,639 Speaker 1: different levels. And then there's the Stones who travel and 494 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,120 Speaker 1: private jets to private tells and then you know they're 495 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 1: playing stadium, so there's always different levels. But to me, 496 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: the most important, same with the same with a W. 497 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 1: A w's treatment is a million times better than w 498 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:12,679 Speaker 1: w's ever was because the Khan family our owners of 499 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 1: sports teams, so they come at it from a sports standpoint. 500 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 1: I never had hotels and cars provided ever ever, ever 501 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 1: in in the in the thirty years of working in 502 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 1: the States. If I did a want offer something, but 503 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 1: they would never take care of that. A W does. 504 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,119 Speaker 1: So you know, the most important thing is if you 505 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 1: want to be there and you love what you do 506 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,399 Speaker 1: and you have a passion for it, the rest of 507 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: it falls into place. You know, if you don't want 508 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,120 Speaker 1: to be there, you can be staying at the Waldorf 509 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 1: for story and flying in a private jet and it's 510 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 1: a hindrance. If you do want to be there, you 511 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 1: can travel on the back of a van and stay 512 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 1: at the you know, sleep in the van, or stay 513 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 1: at the Super eight with six other guys and you're happy. 514 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,360 Speaker 1: So to me, I've always done things, in my opinion, 515 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 1: for the right reasons. I've never done things for money. 516 00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,159 Speaker 1: I do it because I love to do it. And 517 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:03,640 Speaker 1: if you see of my my my career, uh you know, history, 518 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 1: my resume, so to speak, it's pretty rare when I 519 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 1: do something just once, like podcasting. We're going on nine years, 520 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,159 Speaker 1: five books. We've done eight fausey records. I've been wrestling 521 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,440 Speaker 1: for thirty one years. It's never like, oh, he put 522 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 1: out a book and maybe didn't make money or asked like, 523 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 1: you gotta put the time and to build it no 524 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 1: matter what it is, acting anything, And that to me 525 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:29,399 Speaker 1: is why I've always picked and choose projects according to 526 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 1: what my gut instinct is. You know, Cruise, like we 527 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 1: worked on the Cruise for three years and we're we 528 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:38,439 Speaker 1: just announced our fourth one I have. I have friends 529 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 1: that are a part of that cruise now for a 530 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,199 Speaker 1: couple of years. I have buddies that have gone and 531 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,119 Speaker 1: done in the in the stand up comic world. But 532 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 1: that's great, it's it's it's the best vacation I have 533 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 1: to If you do and they all love it, they 534 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 1: all love it. If you're doing your your podcast for 535 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 1: the next year or so on Cruise five, love the 536 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 1: Freddy Prince Live podcast, you can come hang out. It's 537 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,439 Speaker 1: the best. It's the best vacation. But point is, it's like, 538 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 1: if you do things for the right reason, the money 539 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 1: will follow you. If you do things for money, you're 540 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,119 Speaker 1: probably not gonna like it and either not do the 541 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 1: best job you can or it's not gonna last, and 542 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,160 Speaker 1: you've got to go into the next thing. And I've 543 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 1: never done that. As a result, my career has always 544 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 1: been diverse and I've had great longevity. And for everybody listening, 545 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 1: the reason he can say that, and the reason I 546 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 1: can nod my head and you don't see it is 547 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 1: because we have both seen people do it for money, 548 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 1: and we have both seen those people phase out real 549 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 1: quick because it does not work. I agree, it doesn't work, 550 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 1: and that's like I said, and it's sometimes it's hard 551 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,959 Speaker 1: to wrap yourself around. I turned down big money gigs 552 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 1: not all the time, but most of the time because 553 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 1: you'll find money in other spots. If if it puts 554 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 1: you in a bad position where you don't feel it, 555 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:57,879 Speaker 1: then you're probably not gonna do a great job, and 556 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 1: people can people can sniff that out. Aren't stupid for sure. 557 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 1: The modern fan for audiences were never sophisticated until post millennium, 558 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,920 Speaker 1: and that's when audience has started like figuring stuff out 559 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,439 Speaker 1: and going okay okay. Behind the scenes is now just 560 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 1: the scenes, like there is no buy so you can 561 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 1: you cannot fool them out. I want to finish with 562 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,919 Speaker 1: something that's more for just my fantasy, but maybe you 563 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 1: can jump into if you could have one match, any 564 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 1: stadium guaranteed sellout any opponent at any time in their career. 565 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 1: I'm giving you the doctor who phone booth. You can 566 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 1: travel wherever, whenever, any stadium guaranteed sell out every single 567 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 1: fan screaming or booing for you, whichever one you want, 568 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 1: any opponent at any time in their career, who and where? Well, 569 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 1: but there there is there is, there is two that 570 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 1: I would take but but but but the one that 571 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 1: I'm really looking forward to now that will have is 572 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 1: the is the is the story we're building with Eddie 573 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 1: Kingston and a w that's a guy from day one, 574 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 1: the moment he walked in and said that's a superstar. 575 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,480 Speaker 1: It's gonna be a huge baby face. But I like 576 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 1: his style. It's very hard hitting and you know, he 577 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 1: I can't believe you brought him up. I love I 578 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 1: love Eddie Kingston. I love to hear that you're actually 579 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 1: doing something with him. He legit, forget the Puerto Rican 580 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 1: Puerto Rican thing. Okay, it's not just because of that. 581 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 1: I he legit. I was watching whoever does gerrols? Like 582 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 1: video clips and those montages on social media. They need 583 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 1: a raise like they kill I'm telling you man, the 584 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 1: music behind it, the cut, the edit. They did one 585 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 1: with Eddie a couple of months ago, and I legit cried, cried, 586 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 1: and and that's the reason why I like him is 587 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 1: is he doesn't look like a typical wrestler. He just 588 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: looks like a tough guy at the bar. But his 589 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 1: promos are above and beyond. So that's why like I 590 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 1: kind of pick and shoes who I'm gonna be working 591 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 1: with and also too, it has to fit in with 592 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 1: the plans that Tony Khan has and with the guys have. 593 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 1: But the Edione was really something cool to me. And 594 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 1: I also deal in long term stories, so uh, nothing's 595 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 1: set in stone, but but that's one that I'm really 596 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 1: looking forward to that will happen. But the two that 597 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 1: I have that never did happen and their brothers and 598 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 1: they're from the same part of the country as I 599 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 1: am was, was Brett Hart and Owen Heart. I never 600 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,280 Speaker 1: had a chance to work with either one of them. Um, 601 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 1: when I made up my mind to leave w CW 602 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 1: and nine and come to w B. If you gave 603 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 1: me a list of ten reasons wrestling, Owen Heart would 604 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 1: be one of the probably seven, eight, nine, ten ones. 605 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 1: Owen passed away before that could happen. He passed away 606 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 1: and I'd believe in May of ninety nine. I didn't 607 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 1: get there till August, and then Brett was in w CW, 608 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 1: but we were on different levels. I was never kind 609 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 1: of allowed to get to that level when I was there, 610 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 1: and then he had to retire out of w CW, 611 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 1: so we really never actually not really we never had 612 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 1: a match together. So those two I think would have 613 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 1: been great chemistry. Um because when you come from a 614 00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 1: certain area of a country, and obviously I trained at 615 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:01,720 Speaker 1: the Heart Brothers pro Rusting camp. There wasn't any Heart 616 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 1: Brothers there, but there's a certain way that you train 617 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 1: where our styles were very similar and we probably think 618 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 1: a lot the same. And you know, people say who's 619 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 1: who's the greatest of all time? And to me, you 620 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 1: could it's all subjective whoever you think it is it is. 621 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 1: Some people say it's you know some people some people 622 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 1: say that Christierick is greateful time and if you think that, 623 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 1: thank you. But other people say Christijerick is not even 624 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 1: the top twenty. You know. But to me, Brett Hart, 625 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 1: you could make a case for him as being the 626 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,640 Speaker 1: greatest of all time, or one of them at least, 627 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 1: because as the years go by, you forget how good 628 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 1: these guys are or how good these guys were, and 629 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 1: all it takes is watching one of their matches in 630 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 1: their prime you go, holy sh it, this is better 631 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 1: than anything that's going on today. But you forget that 632 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 1: as the years go on. But so Brett Nolan would 633 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 1: have been huge, And then of course for me, Sean 634 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,959 Speaker 1: Michaels was a guy really wanted to work with, and 635 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 1: we did in two thousands and three. We had the 636 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 1: best match at WrestleMania nineteen um, but we really got 637 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 1: to come to other in two thousand and eight, and 638 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:03,600 Speaker 1: that was one of my favorite stories that I've ever 639 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 1: done in my life. Uh eight nine months long. I 640 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 1: can't compare it to anything if you wanted to make, 641 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 1: you know, a documentary on how to have a great 642 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 1: angle that was originally supposed to be nothing and ended 643 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 1: up being a top angle that we're fighting for the 644 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 1: world title nine months later, nine months storyline and wrestling 645 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 1: is like music to my ears. Well yeah, and then 646 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 1: just think to Freddie we did m JF and I 647 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 1: in the Pinnacle, Inner Circle did a year. It was 648 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 1: it was I think it was two days, shy a year. 649 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 1: So I made sure to mention it in the week 650 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 1: after just so we could say it was literally legitimately 651 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:43,200 Speaker 1: three sixty five days. And that was done more like 652 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 1: we didn't plan it that way, but we had a 653 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 1: long term story that kept being cool, and I said, 654 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 1: let's what's the rush. That's the thing I asked any 655 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 1: wrestling company, what's the rush. You got fifty two weeks 656 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:57,040 Speaker 1: a year, a WS two shows a week, WWS two 657 00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 1: shows a week. I hate hot shotting. I hate story 658 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 1: ways that don't tell a full arc with all the 659 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 1: twist and turns you can do. And I also hate 660 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 1: it when people go, alright, already, this needs to end. 661 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,719 Speaker 1: It's been going on too long. Shut your fucking mouth. Okay, 662 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 1: an hour or two of Titanic. If you thought it 663 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,720 Speaker 1: was too long, you didn't see anything yet. The whole 664 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 1: last hour was the whole thing. So just shut up 665 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 1: and enjoy the ride from beginning to end, and then 666 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 1: tell me your opinion. Don't get mad at the beginning, 667 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:24,720 Speaker 1: don't get mad in the middle. Wait and see the 668 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 1: whole movie before you start giving your opinions. And that's 669 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 1: what I really focus on the best, and I appreciate 670 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,719 Speaker 1: long term storylines, and that's kind of what I focus 671 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 1: on with whoever I'm working with. In aw you and 672 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 1: I are so old school, man. It literally is the 673 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 1: reason I stopped watching TV because I got tired of 674 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,480 Speaker 1: knowing everything about the main prior in the pilot. I'm like, 675 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 1: you answered all my questions already. I don't need to 676 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 1: see episode two. He doesn't need to grow, He's already perfect. Great. 677 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:55,800 Speaker 1: I just I just stumbled on this show on Netflix 678 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 1: called Slasher, and it's kind of like a Canadian version 679 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 1: of American horror story, but is way gorrier and it's 680 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 1: way better written. Do you gotta check it out? From 681 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,920 Speaker 1: episode there there. Each one is its own contained season, 682 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,840 Speaker 1: but it starts in episode one and it's this violent, 683 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,880 Speaker 1: gory murder mystery where you do not see what's happening 684 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 1: until episode eight. All three seasons i've seen so far 685 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:18,799 Speaker 1: been that way. I love it. I don't know what's 686 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,760 Speaker 1: happening that stuff. Yeah, and you know it's got eight seasons, 687 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 1: so of each episode two, well that was stupid. Well 688 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,480 Speaker 1: just shut up because an episode six, when you see 689 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 1: in two, it's gonna make sense. It's like a Tarantino 690 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,319 Speaker 1: movie or something. I love that ship. Just I will 691 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,399 Speaker 1: watch from beginning to end. Just don't give me any 692 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 1: plot holes and give me some plausible reasons and I'll 693 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 1: be there. Yeah, man, old school, Yeah, thank you so 694 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,000 Speaker 1: much for being on the show. Man. I appreciate your 695 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,400 Speaker 1: time so much. Dude. You succeeded in so many different 696 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,319 Speaker 1: facets a lot every guest that I've had on are 697 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:56,000 Speaker 1: people who I respect their process and their approach because 698 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,759 Speaker 1: I feel those are ways to success. And uh, with 699 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 1: not even asking you those types of questions, you just 700 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,920 Speaker 1: laid it out. Just you laid it out for anyone 701 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,319 Speaker 1: listening like that your approach to learning, your approach, to 702 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 1: leaving your comfort zone and going to other places to 703 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,160 Speaker 1: challenge yourself. And then when you succeed there, of course 704 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,960 Speaker 1: that dude brings you to Japan to have a rivalry 705 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,920 Speaker 1: with him out there because of the sacrifice, because of 706 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 1: that work, So of course you get noticed in Japan 707 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,400 Speaker 1: and then get to go like that's the process. And 708 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,160 Speaker 1: even when I try to talk about the glamour life, 709 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 1: you go back to the early days of the rock 710 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,480 Speaker 1: and roll when it's tough and it's rough and there 711 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:38,000 Speaker 1: are no private jets, And that's that's what's necessary for 712 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,120 Speaker 1: artists to succeed. That's why Jackson Pollock was broke most 713 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,880 Speaker 1: of his damn life. But if you if you look 714 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,279 Speaker 1: at at how he would have succeeded today, he would 715 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,040 Speaker 1: have been a multimillionaire today with the way media goes 716 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:53,320 Speaker 1: and those types of things. So that's the level of sacrifice, 717 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:58,160 Speaker 1: that's the type of grind and uh, you're far I 718 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,560 Speaker 1: I like to claim myself as an ex ample of it, 719 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:02,920 Speaker 1: but you are a far finer example of it that 720 00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,799 Speaker 1: I got first class quicker than some people. So I can't. 721 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:12,200 Speaker 1: I can't suffered like the rest of you. No, dude, 722 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,759 Speaker 1: like you said, man, I mean um. Even even when 723 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:17,440 Speaker 1: I left w B to go have the match with 724 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,720 Speaker 1: kenyel Mega at the Tokyo Dome once again in Japan 725 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,399 Speaker 1: for not being there with New Japan for over twenty years, 726 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,960 Speaker 1: took a chance, built the match, had did huge business 727 00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,440 Speaker 1: with it over in Japan, and that's the match that 728 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:34,879 Speaker 1: Tony con saw where he realized people want to see 729 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,279 Speaker 1: an alternative and that kind of spurred him in a 730 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,440 Speaker 1: lot of ways to take a chance to start a 731 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,600 Speaker 1: w And then when he took that chance, I took 732 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,080 Speaker 1: another chance and went with him. So to me, it's 733 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:48,160 Speaker 1: always about that you leave your comfort zone. You know, 734 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,560 Speaker 1: if your kiss take the makeup off, you know you 735 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:53,400 Speaker 1: gotta do it. If not, you get stuck in a 736 00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:57,680 Speaker 1: nostalgia role or you become stagnant and nobody, nobody wants 737 00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,920 Speaker 1: to see that. I've always been mostly influenced by David 738 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,760 Speaker 1: Bowie when it comes to this, he always updated his image. 739 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,040 Speaker 1: He always evolved and changed you never fucking even til 740 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,560 Speaker 1: his last record Lazarus, you never knew what Bowie was 741 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:12,960 Speaker 1: gonna do, but it was always Bowie and it was 742 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,360 Speaker 1: always cool. Even if you didn't like the Berlin years 743 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,360 Speaker 1: or you didn't like the thin White Duke or whatever, 744 00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:24,200 Speaker 1: it still was something really cool and it was exactly 745 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,480 Speaker 1: And that's what I love about those types of guys, 746 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:28,920 Speaker 1: the long term. Guns and Roses did it, the Beatles 747 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,560 Speaker 1: did it, Johnny Depp does it. I mean, you're always 748 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,560 Speaker 1: changing and I love that, and so I, as Chris 749 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:38,120 Speaker 1: Jericho made a pact with myself years ago, I'll never 750 00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,560 Speaker 1: once again. I'll never do it just to get a paycheck. 751 00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,000 Speaker 1: And if it bores me and I'm not creatively stimulated, 752 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,960 Speaker 1: I'll move on to the next thing. And that's what's 753 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,080 Speaker 1: always benefited me with my career. And I've got a 754 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,719 Speaker 1: great fan base that trusts me on that and follows 755 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,359 Speaker 1: me and nine times at Attendant success once in a while, 756 00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,279 Speaker 1: not quite, but nothing's ever a failure unless you don't 757 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,359 Speaker 1: try it. That's the best advice. Second, give damn right. 758 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,120 Speaker 1: And by the way, the list is still a top 759 00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,399 Speaker 1: ten gimmick of all top I don't care what everybody says. 760 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,880 Speaker 1: That ship that would correct me up and that. But 761 00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,719 Speaker 1: once again, Freddie, like when when I came to a 762 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,319 Speaker 1: W and two thousand and nineteen, another reason was, if 763 00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,160 Speaker 1: I go back to W now, the first thing they'll 764 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:20,960 Speaker 1: do is make me put someone on the list. And 765 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,319 Speaker 1: I'm not feeling it anymore. That was two thousands. That's 766 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,200 Speaker 1: that's too, that's so two thousand and sixteen. But that's 767 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,799 Speaker 1: how you've always been, man like, You've always had these 768 00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:33,640 Speaker 1: things to to continuously evolved. And I think, and again, 769 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:37,000 Speaker 1: I've never bashed WW on this podcast. I have my criticisms, 770 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,720 Speaker 1: but I've never bashed on him. But when they find 771 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:43,359 Speaker 1: something that's money, they never want to let go and 772 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,080 Speaker 1: they get a little they get a little bit of 773 00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,640 Speaker 1: a not a little bit, but they fear like like 774 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,640 Speaker 1: Garth from Wayne's World, we fear change like they don't. 775 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,239 Speaker 1: They don't want to see what's next, and it'll it 776 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,960 Speaker 1: takes top guys to kind of show them like we're 777 00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:00,520 Speaker 1: stopping that. It takes a top guy a lot of 778 00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:04,000 Speaker 1: confidence to do that. Uh, And so I think w 779 00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,640 Speaker 1: B kind of shies away because most guys that's hard 780 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,320 Speaker 1: to do. Man. I've seen you do it multiple times 781 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,040 Speaker 1: in a year. I've seen you do it multi times 782 00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:13,600 Speaker 1: in a year. I don't I don't think I've seen 783 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,319 Speaker 1: anyone else ever do that, which is I'm not trying 784 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,880 Speaker 1: to blow smoke. It's just crazy, thank you, But I 785 00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:20,600 Speaker 1: can because I'm still a fan of everything. I can 786 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:22,719 Speaker 1: feel when it gets a little bit boring, and I 787 00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,440 Speaker 1: can feel when it's like, Okay, we've seen this again 788 00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,319 Speaker 1: and that's cool, but give me something new, man, Just 789 00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:30,640 Speaker 1: just something. You know, if I go see a band 790 00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:32,960 Speaker 1: played ten times and it's the same set every night, 791 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:37,000 Speaker 1: it's like just throwing throwing something, throwing something different for 792 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,600 Speaker 1: the guys that see you ten times, and the best 793 00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,880 Speaker 1: bands do that, you know. Um, So that's kind of 794 00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:44,840 Speaker 1: always been my m O. And that's what I'll continue 795 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,600 Speaker 1: to do and um because it's exciting and it's it's 796 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,960 Speaker 1: inspiring to me to do that. Well, dude, you're the best. 797 00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,719 Speaker 1: You're so awesome that I've literally seen an m M 798 00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,720 Speaker 1: A guy do the walls of Jericho in an actual 799 00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,799 Speaker 1: match and got a tap. That's how awesome you are. 800 00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,839 Speaker 1: And thanks for Rido part of the show. Brother Thanks 801 00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,319 Speaker 1: Freddy anytime man, always got always got time for you 802 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,799 Speaker 1: for sure. All Right, you guys, thanks for tuning in. 803 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,920 Speaker 1: I'll see everybody next week with a brand new episode 804 00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:15,759 Speaker 1: of Wrestling with Freddy. This has been a production of 805 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:19,360 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio's Michael Tura podcast Network. For more podcasts 806 00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,719 Speaker 1: for My heart Radio, visit the I heart Radio app, 807 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,680 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. 808 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,120 Speaker 1: H m hmm.