1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:05,279 Speaker 1: We celebrate in love and we danced. Then it was amazing. 2 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 1: Then the rockets started in gunshots everywhere. 3 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:13,120 Speaker 2: We managed to escape, but. 4 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 3: There are a lot of friends that didn't. 5 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 4: What we will do to our enemies in the coming days, 6 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:20,600 Speaker 4: will reverberate with them for generations. 7 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 2: A missile hit in the square and there was rubble 8 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:33,519 Speaker 2: hitting us. As we were walking. There was glass metal. 9 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 2: It was like doomsday. 10 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 5: There are civilians here whom are not our enemy, and 11 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 5: we do not want to target them. 12 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 6: We are asking them to evacuate. 13 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:46,520 Speaker 1: There are fifty people in the house without any food, drink, water, 14 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: or electricity. 15 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 2: I don't know how we'll provide food for our children. 16 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 5: War isn't what we're looking for, but war was forced 17 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 5: upon us by a bloodthirsty terrorist organization. 18 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:06,400 Speaker 6: On the seventh of October, Hamas attacked Israel. More than 19 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:09,479 Speaker 6: one two hundred people were killed and a further two 20 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 6: hundred were taken to Gaza as hostages. It was the 21 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 6: largest loss of Jewish life since the Holocaust. Israel's military 22 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 6: response was swift. At the time of this recording, Gaza's 23 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 6: Hamas run government says more than fifteen thousand people have 24 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 6: been killed there, including thousands of children a moment ago. 25 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 6: You heard from some of those at the heart of 26 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 6: this story in Israel and in Gaza, but the impact 27 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 6: of the conflict is being felt far beyond the Middle East, 28 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 6: from Cape Town to Paris, London and New York. Reports 29 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 6: of hate crimes have risen dramatically. It's a difficult evolution 30 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 6: to measure, but our global team of Bloomberg journalists have 31 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 6: been collating the data, allowing us to build a unique 32 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 6: picture of rising anti Semitism and anti Arab, anti Muslim sentiment. 33 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 6: For this special program, we've brought together some of the 34 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 6: journalists who worked on this project to hear what they 35 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 6: found out and some of those affected. Let's start in 36 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 6: New York, and our bureau chief Katia Porzakanski is with 37 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 6: us for this. Katia, what's changed in New York for 38 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 6: the Jewish and Muslim communities since the seventh of October. 39 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 4: I'd say New York is on edge. The city is 40 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 4: a home to the largest Muslim population in the United States, 41 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 4: but also the largest Jewish population outside of Israel. We've 42 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 4: had demonstrations in the streets starting the day after the 43 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 4: attacks in Israel and seemingly haven't stopped. It's been a 44 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 4: constant flow of demonstrations in the streets and on campuses, 45 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 4: and it's putting all the communities on edge. 46 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 2: Kati. 47 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 6: A lot of this discourse has been playing out, as 48 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 6: you've said, in universities. What is the conversation that's being 49 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 6: had there? What sorts of things have we been hearing 50 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 6: from from people attending those universes. 51 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 7: So in the. 52 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 4: United States, universities are in large part bound by freedom 53 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 4: of speech, which means you can say a lot, you 54 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 4: can protest, of course, you can hold signs, you can 55 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 4: say hateful things. In large part, universities, however, are also 56 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 4: bound by the Civil Rights Act. They have to protect 57 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:30,959 Speaker 4: students from discrimination. So you're having this kind of strange 58 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 4: situation happening on campuses where the bounds of free speech 59 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 4: are really being tested, but at the same time administrators 60 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 4: are being scrutinized to make sure that they're not allowing 61 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 4: for discriminatory environments. The Anti Defamation League has seen a 62 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 4: tremendous surge in anti Semitism incidents in the country and 63 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 4: says a large bulk of them are happening on campuses. 64 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 4: You have assaults, threats in Cornell University, a student was 65 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 4: arrested for making threats to kill Jews on campus and 66 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 4: to shoot up the Kosher dining hall. But then you 67 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 4: also have, you know, the perceived anti Semitism that students 68 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 4: are feeling, for example, from some of the signs that 69 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 4: are being held at some of the demonstrations on campus. 70 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 4: And that's where you get into kind of this gray 71 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 4: area where one student is saying, look, this is a 72 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 4: direct threat on my life, and another student I say, 73 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 4: you're misinterpreting what I'm saying here. I spoke with two 74 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 4: individuals who are trying to bring the two communities together, 75 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 4: Rabbi Mark Schneider and Imam shamzi Eli, and they met 76 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 4: with a Jewish community of students from different schools in 77 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:42,039 Speaker 4: the New York area, and then they met with a 78 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 4: community of Muslim leaders similarly from the schools in the area. 79 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:48,799 Speaker 4: And you know, one of the first things that happened 80 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 4: in their meeting with the Muslim leaders was the Muslim 81 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 4: students that we are not pro Hamas, and we are 82 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 4: being conflated as being pro Hamas. We are trying to 83 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 4: demonstrate for the city of Gaza that are being killed. 84 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 4: When you talk to Jewish students. You know, they're saying 85 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 4: you have signs that are saying from the river to 86 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:14,159 Speaker 4: the sea, and that is a direct threat for the 87 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 4: eradication of Israel and a threat on my life potentially. 88 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 4: So these are the nuances that are appearing. But then 89 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 4: they're also very blatant acts of hate that are really 90 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 4: concerning to leaders. 91 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 6: We'll come back to New York in a moment, but 92 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 6: I want to go next to Paris and Bloomberg's Jenny 93 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 6: Chain and France's home to the largest both Jewish and 94 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 6: Muslim communities in Europe. That's numbers based though on survey evidence, 95 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:42,840 Speaker 6: because official statistics in France don't include religion due to 96 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:45,559 Speaker 6: the seculers and principles and trined in French low Jenny, 97 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:47,160 Speaker 6: I want to talk to you about how much we 98 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 6: know about how much hate crime has increased in France 99 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 6: since the seventh of October. 100 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:57,160 Speaker 7: It's really hard to quantify the change in a number 101 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 7: of hate crimes in France since the start of the war. 102 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 7: The French government has been very vocal about the rise 103 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 7: of the anti Semitic acts in the last few weeks, 104 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 7: but authorities have not been very good at providing comparative data, 105 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:12,479 Speaker 7: particularly about the number of acts totaling Muslims in the 106 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 7: same period, and you have seen the government is taking 107 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 7: a different approach to these two different communities. There was 108 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 7: a cross country march against Scientism held earlier in November 109 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 7: that drew one hundred and eighty thousand people and several 110 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:35,600 Speaker 7: government officials, including the Prime Minister, Elizabeth Bon. 111 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: Obviously, it was important for me to be here with 112 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 1: my government to say that France must protect all of 113 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 1: its citizens who may be worried because of their origins, 114 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: all their religion. The government and all ministers want to 115 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 1: say to all our fellow citizens of the Jewish faith 116 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 1: that we are at their sides, we are alert, and 117 00:06:57,240 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: we will not let anything pass us by. 118 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 7: On the other hand, a few days after the war, 119 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 7: the government tried to issue a blanket ban on pro 120 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 7: Palestinian demonstrations. Later a court rule that it was up 121 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 7: to regional authorities to decide on a case by case basis. 122 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 7: But we're seeing this uneven data in this different approach 123 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 7: to the communities, and that's it's made it hard to 124 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 7: track the difference in acts targeting Jewish people here and 125 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 7: Muslim people here. 126 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 6: France has seen several high profile anti Semitic attacks in 127 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 6: recent years, the attacks on a Jewish school and Toulose 128 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 6: in twenty twelve, the supermarket attack in twenty fifteen as well. 129 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 6: How have the community been responding to this latest rise 130 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 6: in anti Semitism? 131 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 7: So the government has given numbers on Antisemitic acts since 132 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 7: the start of the war, and there have been more 133 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 7: than fifteen hundred and that's more than three times all 134 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 7: of two thousand and two. But it's partial data, so 135 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 7: they haven't produced data on anti Muslim acts. But the 136 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 7: result has been that there is more concern within the 137 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 7: Jewish community and Juna dan Ashi, the president of KREET, 138 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 7: which is an umbrella organization for Jewish groups in the country, 139 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 7: said that some Jewish people have changed their day to 140 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 7: day behaviors and that may include a notably kind of 141 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 7: removing outward religious symbols such as taking the star of 142 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 7: David Arthur Nicholas or changing their names to a lesser 143 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 7: Jewish sounding name when they're putting in in order on 144 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 7: food delivery apps. 145 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 6: Let's go to South Africa next. Michael Cohne is our 146 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 6: South Africa government reporter in Cape Town. Of course, Michael 147 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 6: the history of racial division as well known as South Africa. 148 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 6: But this is a conflict that's created a very different 149 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 6: kind of schism. The government's position on the Israel Hamas War. 150 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 6: How is that effect during the Jewish community there. 151 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 8: Traditionally relationships between the Jewish community and the government have 152 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 8: been pretty cordial. We've seen the Rebbils being invited to 153 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 8: speak at major nationally ben so, you've seen the president 154 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 8: going to the synagogue and so on. Since startbreak of 155 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 8: the war, the relationship has really gone down the tube, 156 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 8: and the Jewish community is really really unhappy about the 157 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 8: position that the government has taken of Africa. Is one 158 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 8: of five Developing Nathans that's called on the Criminal Court 159 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 8: to investigate where the Israeli authorities are guilty of war crimes. 160 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 8: They are really very disappointed at the government's failure to 161 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 8: express their sympathies about all the people that were killed 162 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 8: in southern Israel. The relationship really is at an all 163 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 8: time and low. Incidance of anti Semitism here I've also spiked. 164 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 8: We've seen a number of protests on a weekly basis. 165 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 8: We've seen protests from both sides. The situation really is 166 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 8: at its lowest ever. 167 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 6: Michael I wanted to bring in one of the interviews 168 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 6: that our team has conducted for this piece. Karen Milner 169 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:41,199 Speaker 6: is the national chairperson of the South African Jewish Board 170 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 6: of Deputies. Let's take a listen to what she has 171 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 6: to say about this. 172 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 3: And we've seen over eighty incidents of antisemitism in the 173 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 3: last month, and the severity of those. 174 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 8: Are much much worse. 175 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 9: We've seen a rabbi who was a TechEd in his car. 176 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:58,439 Speaker 3: There was an attempt to drive him to put him 177 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 3: off the road that he was subject to gross into 178 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 3: Semitic abuse, and there was an. 179 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 2: Attempt to raim his car. 180 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 3: So that's one example of the level of fun and 181 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 3: anti Semitism that we're starting to see unfortunately. 182 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 6: So that's Karen Milner from the South African Jewish Board 183 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 6: of Deputies. We've also been speaking to Roshan Dado, who's 184 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:22,199 Speaker 6: the coordinator of the South African Boycott, Devestment and Sanctions Coalition. 185 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 6: Let's take a listen to her position. 186 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 8: Well, I would. 187 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 3: Question the fact that there's been a search of anti 188 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 3: semitism because again I think people who are opposing what 189 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:37,559 Speaker 3: the States of Israel is doing, opposing this genocide and desigonists. 190 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 3: It's against designs projects. 191 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 6: Of course, that's a very strong language that some people 192 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 6: would find offensive, and Jewish people would in d say 193 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 6: is representative of the sentiment that they're experiencing in many 194 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 6: parts of the world as well. Michael, how complex is 195 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 6: this relationship in terms of its evolution and how we 196 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 6: can consider how serious this increase in anti sim incidents 197 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:01,199 Speaker 6: has been. 198 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 8: The Jewish community is a really very small component of 199 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 8: the population, less than zero point one percent, but they 200 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 8: have quite a prominent role in the legal fraternity, in 201 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 8: business and so on. I think it's a really tricky 202 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 8: time for the Jewish community here. We've seen leaders saying 203 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 8: that the government is not standing up for them and 204 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 8: that they're really concerned about their future here. Most of 205 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 8: the protests that we've seen have been recently peaceful. We 206 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 8: had one pro Israel protest that was broken up by 207 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 8: some pro Palestine supporters and four people were arrested. I 208 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 8: think there are concerns that things could spiral out of control. 209 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 6: Of course, the Muslim community in South Africa is much larger. 210 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 6: The country home to almost a million Muslims. Have there 211 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 6: been a rise in incidents of Islamophobia as well. 212 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 8: I haven't picked that up in any meaningful way. I 213 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 8: think partly because the Jewish community is so small, but 214 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 8: there'd be no incident of anything in that direction. I mean, 215 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 8: we've seen security at schools and synagogues being intensified. I 216 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 8: don't think them get Muslim schools and mosques. 217 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 6: Okay, let's come back to London next. Our reporter aim 218 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 6: and Firehut is here with me now. London, aim In, 219 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 6: like New York, is somewhere where there is a significant 220 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 6: amount of data that can help us to understand what's 221 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 6: happened since the seventh of October. What numbers are available 222 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 6: first of all, and what have they told us about 223 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 6: the trend? 224 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 10: So according to the Metropolisan Police, on average is about 225 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 10: sixty cases of ant Semitic crimes in London every month, 226 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 10: but in October, just after the attack, there have been 227 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 10: five hundred and thirty three. That's almost nine times more 228 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 10: than usual. And for ssymophobic attacks it's the same thing. 229 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 10: It's about two to three times as much as the norm. 230 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 10: So definitely been a huge surge of it. It's also 231 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 10: what we hear we talk to people in the street. 232 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 10: I spoke to different community leaders. I spoke to rabbiosmams 233 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 10: and they're saying that tensions are very, very high. You know, 234 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 10: we've had mass protests on the street basically every Saturday, 235 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 10: and this culminated in the eleventh of November. We had 236 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 10: this big protest that kind of came to clash with 237 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 10: some far right groups. So the eleventh of November is 238 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 10: remembering today in the UK, remembering the fallen soldiers across 239 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 10: different wars, but specifically for World War One, and lots 240 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 10: of people from the far right decided to call on 241 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 10: their supporters that conduct to London to protect the monuments 242 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 10: and this did cause some clashes with the police. Eighteenth 243 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 10: police officers I think were injured, lots of violence there. 244 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 10: The protesters were mostly peaceful, but there is a lot 245 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 10: of tension around this. 246 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 6: One of the interviews that you have conducted around this issue, 247 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 6: Merian Berger, is the senior rabbi of the Finchally Reformed Synagogue, 248 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 6: and you spoke to her just before that demonstration in London. 249 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 11: I think it's a really difficult time to feel safe. 250 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 10: After June in London. 251 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 11: At the moment, I don't think that cancelling the rally 252 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 11: would have been something that would have made us feel safer. 253 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 11: It would have potentially made more people more committed to 254 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 11: doing something that you know, this way comes under the 255 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 11: auspices of the police to be able to patrol, to 256 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 11: be able to work in dialogue with the organizers, and 257 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 11: to be able to be in dialogue with the Jewish 258 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 11: community to say how can we help them make you 259 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 11: feel safe at this time. So, you know, I think 260 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 11: everyone's doing what they can do and hoping for the 261 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 11: bests that extremists don't win out. But actually the nuance 262 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 11: and moderate voice is the one that we hear going 263 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 11: forward and the one that's able to bring people together. 264 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 6: And it was the question of policing that were central 265 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 6: to the political debate around that particular protest. Is there 266 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 6: a sense that authorities have moved on from that response? 267 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 6: Now how are they approaching this issue given the rise 268 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 6: and incidances that you've told us about. 269 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 10: You exactly right, politicians, some call for these marches to 270 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 10: be banned. At the end of the day, the met 271 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 10: police they have, you know, plans in place to keep 272 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 10: people safe and all that. And when you talk to 273 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 10: the different community groups, whether it is you know, Miriam 274 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 10: who you just had the clip there or to different 275 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 10: people in the Muslim community. 276 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 4: They do. 277 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 10: You see that they are working constantly with the police 278 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 10: to make sure the people are safe on public transport 279 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 10: and these marches, and most of the time it works 280 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 10: very well. You know, that has been quite a positive message. 281 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 10: And Sidi Khan, who's a mayor of London, he's also 282 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 10: really put an emphasis on this kind of bringing communities together. 283 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 10: You know, at the remembrant service for this that was 284 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 10: just before this march, he had a multi faith element 285 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 10: where he had people from different communities giving prayers and 286 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 10: he really really tries to get people to work together 287 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 10: on this issue and really not talk about the divisive topics, 288 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 10: but more bring people together. 289 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 6: Let's take a listen to some of that interview with Citi. 290 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 12: Can you know these things have happened in the past. 291 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 12: This is the worst I've known it. I used to 292 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 12: be a communities minister in two thousand and nine when 293 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 12: Israel was involved in a military altercation with Gaza. I 294 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 12: think to Selle's really seven to the middle of January, 295 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 12: and I remember then as a community minister the impact 296 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 12: on communities across the country. But this is worse than that. 297 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 6: That was the mayor of London City can there aim 298 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 6: And I wonder when we look at the response from authorities, 299 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 6: from the likes of Citi can as well, does this 300 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 6: give the communities in London a sense of safety in 301 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 6: somewhere where we have seen the rise and incense like these. 302 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 10: I mean, right now, safety is not worth that most 303 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 10: people talk about. I mean people do feel unsafe, you know, 304 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 10: at the moment. I think a lot of people say 305 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 10: that as this war goes on, if this will continuees 306 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 10: for however long these tensions will continue. There is a 307 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 10: realization that London is a good place for different communities 308 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 10: and eventually things will get better. But right now people 309 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 10: do not feel safe. 310 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 6: But let's go back to Paris and our reporter Jenny Chay. 311 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 6: We talked earlier about the French government's attempt to ban 312 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 6: some of these demonstrations and the subsequent legal cases that 313 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 6: came around. Is there a sense the French government has 314 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 6: come with a coherent response to this problem. 315 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 7: I'm not sure they have. I spoke to Abdella Zegre, 316 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 7: president of their French Council of the Muslim Bates Observatory 317 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 7: on Islamophobia, and you told me that it would have 318 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 7: been better to have a march for peace, because when 319 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 7: you have government officials, of course joining a march against antisemitism, 320 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 7: it can leave the impression that the government is mainly 321 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 7: supporting Israel, and some people in the Muslim community might 322 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 7: feel alienated. At the same time, the government has also 323 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 7: not really been able to provide coherent data on the exacts. 324 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 7: I mean, they're obviously speaking a lot about the rise 325 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 7: of anti Semitic acts since the war, but the fact 326 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 7: that they haven't given comparative data for acts against Muslims 327 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 7: over the same period it raises questions about the kind 328 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 7: of data that is being compiled and whether it's being 329 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 7: compiled in the way that makes it easy to analyze, 330 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 7: so that the country can track these racists and discriminatory 331 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 7: acts during times of conflict, but also during normal times. 332 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 6: Katia Poisikanski in New York, you talked to through the 333 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 6: debates that are happening in universities, the demonstrations that are 334 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:38,120 Speaker 6: happening in the streets of New York City are communities 335 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 6: both Jewish and Muslim, feeling comforted by the actions taken 336 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 6: by authorities. 337 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:47,159 Speaker 4: In terms of school authorities, No I think everyone is 338 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:50,440 Speaker 4: displeased on both sides. The Department of Education has now 339 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:54,400 Speaker 4: opened seven investigations into schools in the United States. Three 340 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 4: of those schools are in New York for discrimination, so 341 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:59,400 Speaker 4: the pressure is on for them to kind of get 342 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 4: the situation under control, but both sides are disappointed. For example, 343 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 4: in Columbia University, they suspended temporarily two of the pro 344 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 4: Palestinian student groups for repeated violations when it comes to 345 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 4: their demonstrations, including one that proceeded against the rules that 346 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:19,400 Speaker 4: included intimidation. But by shutting down those groups, they've now 347 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 4: spurred all sorts of accusations of shutting down free speech, 348 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 4: chilling criticism of Israel, and faculty and students have written 349 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 4: in protest against the school for doing that. From the 350 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:33,160 Speaker 4: Jewish community, they want to see more action taking place. 351 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:37,440 Speaker 4: They want to see quicker responses to acts of anti Semitism. 352 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:40,399 Speaker 4: A few students at Columbia University gave press conference a 353 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 4: few weeks ago about anti Semitism that they've faced at 354 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 4: the school and how there has been an unsatisfying response 355 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:50,640 Speaker 4: from administrators to investigate those accusations. 356 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:53,639 Speaker 9: My Jewish sisters and brothers and I are on the 357 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:58,439 Speaker 9: receiving end of death threats from our peers. Undergraduates who 358 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 9: have filed reports about these intents have been left with 359 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:05,399 Speaker 9: no emotional support, no feedback, and no consequences for the 360 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 9: perpetrators of these hateful actions. As a result of this 361 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 9: in action, there are Jewish students who do not feel 362 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 9: physically safe on campus. 363 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:19,119 Speaker 4: At Cooper Union, several students came out and said they 364 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 4: felt completely unsupported by the school. When there was a 365 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 4: protest that got intimidating and there was some students that 366 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 4: entered a library. There were some Jewish, visibly Jewish students 367 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 4: in the library behind a glass wall and the protesters 368 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 4: were banging on the wall. That was a very intimidating 369 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:41,439 Speaker 4: moment for those students. So there was a lot of 370 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:44,159 Speaker 4: scrutiny on that event, like what happened? Did the school 371 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 4: not have control over that protest? So there's an investigation 372 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 4: there too, So that is something that administrators are currently 373 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 4: grappling with. There's also been a tremendous scrutiny from alums, donors, 374 00:19:56,040 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 4: and employers. We reported about a list of dozens and 375 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 4: dozens of law firms that wrote to the top law 376 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:09,680 Speaker 4: schools in the country saying you have to do more 377 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:13,680 Speaker 4: to protect against anti Semitism on your campuses with kind 378 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 4: of you know, a veiled threat there. If you don't know, 379 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 4: we're going to be thinking twice about hiring from your schools. 380 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:21,360 Speaker 6: Indicative of some of the high profile attention that's being 381 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 6: paid to this issue in New York Michael Cohen and 382 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 6: Cape Town. Is there a sense that that same attention 383 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:29,440 Speaker 6: is being paid to this issue where you are. 384 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 8: I think there have been recent attempts by the government 385 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,639 Speaker 8: to kind of cool things down, But we had a 386 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 8: prison sam up of the writer a weekly letter to 387 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 8: the nation in which you was saying there's no place 388 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:42,880 Speaker 8: for violence or threats or threats of violence against those 389 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:46,880 Speaker 8: who hold country reviews that South Africa's painful history must 390 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 8: be a reminder about the cost of a divided society. 391 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 8: And there have been meetings between Jewish organizations and the government, 392 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 8: but at the same time, the government's actions are clearly 393 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:03,439 Speaker 8: reiterating its extremely pro Palestinian and anti Israel stant I 394 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 8: don't think while the judicial organizations that said they appreciate 395 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 8: that the meetings with the government and so on, and 396 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 8: don't they through the authorities are taking any kind of 397 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:14,920 Speaker 8: steps to defuse the situation in a way, and they're 398 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 8: still really unhappy at the stunts of the government to take. 399 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 6: Okay, I want to come back here to London and 400 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 6: bring you one more clip of another interview. This is 401 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 6: with imman Ata, who's the director of Tel Mamma, which 402 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:32,919 Speaker 6: is the national anti Muslim Hater, Islamophobia Monitoring and support service. 403 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,360 Speaker 5: Listen, as long as the conflict is right, Palestini is going, 404 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 5: I don't think things will stop here, although it's thousands 405 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 5: of miles away from us, by impacting our communities here heavily. 406 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 5: Unless that conflict stops, that's when things maybe would start 407 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 5: coming back to normal. And I wouldn't say it would 408 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 5: come back to normal as you'll see everyone happy and 409 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,159 Speaker 5: everyone talking with each other. No, it will take a 410 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 5: lot of time, and there are bridges that must probably 411 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 5: have been broken through our bridges that are shaken. Certain 412 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 5: ones almost probably can get back to reconnecting, but there's 413 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 5: many bridges unfortunately got broken this time because people are 414 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 5: just too angry, people that have got too many emotions going, 415 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 5: People are grieving people lost loved ones, and people just 416 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 5: don't seem to see the humanity in each other. 417 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 6: That's a Manuta of Tealmama speaking to Aim and fire 418 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,920 Speaker 6: house Aim and I wonder we've heard this from various interviews, 419 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 6: there being a sense of breakdown among the community's. London 420 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 6: prides itself on being this multicultural city that welcomes communities 421 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,959 Speaker 6: from all over. Is there a sense that the damage 422 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 6: that has been done can be repaired. 423 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 10: I think what happens in the Middle East is a huge, 424 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:44,919 Speaker 10: huge impact on what happens in London. Even though it's 425 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,400 Speaker 10: thousands of miles away, it still affects people here. There's 426 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:48,920 Speaker 10: just so much trauma. You know, as you said in 427 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:50,879 Speaker 10: that clip, you know, people have lost loved ones and 428 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 10: people are very angry with you know, on both sides. 429 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 10: The politician's rhetoric doesn't help either. You know, some people 430 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 10: have been flaming things. Social media as well is a 431 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,920 Speaker 10: huge issue. I think, is this whole debate tell mom Actually, 432 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 10: in their own data, they showed that more than half 433 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:06,120 Speaker 10: of hate crimes is online. I think the online community, 434 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 10: the online space, is helping stick a lot of this hate, 435 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 10: keep people angry, keep people in these echo chambers, and 436 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 10: so right now it seems very very difficult until things 437 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 10: get resolved in the Middle. 438 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:27,360 Speaker 6: East, Bloomberg's aim in Farhat in London, Katti of Porzikanski 439 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,879 Speaker 6: in New York, Jenny Chay in Paris, and Michael Cohen 440 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 6: in Cape Town. Thank you to you all. After we 441 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 6: recorded this conversation, three college students of Palestinian descent were 442 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,919 Speaker 6: shot and seriously injured near the University of Vermont's campus 443 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,400 Speaker 6: in Burlington, or Police said they have no additional information 444 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 6: to suggest a motive. They noted that two of the 445 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 6: victims were wearing traditional Palestinian scarves known as cafeas at 446 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 6: the time of the assault. I'm Stephen Carroll. Thank you 447 00:23:57,920 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 6: for listening. This is Bloomberg 448 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 9: And