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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: An evil, high skilled girl gives a heart wrenching eulogy

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Speaker 2: after both her parents are shot dead. Tonight, she is

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Speaker 2: suspect number one. Good evening, I'm Nancy Grace. This is

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Speaker 2: Crime Stories.

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Speaker 1: I want to thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 3: Sarah's five year old sister finds their parents, Kristen and

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Speaker 3: James Brock, in their bedroom, violently shot to death.

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Speaker 4: Police discovered no sign of fourth.

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Speaker 2: Century What happened to two very loving parents? A little

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Speaker 2: five year old sister finds her parents shot dead.

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Speaker 1: Listen.

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Speaker 5: On the morning of February twentieth, twenty twenty five, deputies

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Speaker 5: with the Carroll County Sheriff's Office responded to a tragic

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Speaker 5: scene at fifteen thirty one Carrollton.

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Speaker 1: Tie Up Road.

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Speaker 5: They discovered the bodies of James Brock, forty five and

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Speaker 5: Kristin Brock, forty one, both deceased from apparent gunshot wounds.

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Speaker 5: Our prayers remain with the families of James and Kristin Brock,

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Speaker 5: and especially with their young daughter who was home during

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Speaker 5: this horrific crime. We also want to extend our heartfelt

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Speaker 5: thanks to the community that has rallied for justice and

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Speaker 5: has never given up.

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Speaker 1: Pope.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad that everybody is praying for the allegedly evil

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Speaker 2: high school girl.

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Speaker 1: But it doesn't end there.

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Speaker 2: A gut wrenching, tearful eulogy goes down.

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Speaker 1: You've got to hear this for those you to know.

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Speaker 6: My name is Sarah and I'm Kristen Barlock's daughter and

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Speaker 6: James Block's stepdaughter.

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Speaker 2: This is an this time.

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Speaker 7: Term with me because I started a while. I just

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Speaker 7: wanted to say five named.

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Speaker 8: Jamie since she ever got to genius to that, guys

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Speaker 8: always that I never thought to be here.

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Speaker 2: John, Now that's wrong, Kristin Data's Facebook. I'm sorry I

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Speaker 2: was distracted because I'm trying to count how many times

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Speaker 2: she said me, me, me, me, me, me, I, I

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Speaker 1: I ME during a eulogy for her parents.

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Speaker 2: And I heard a lot of but I did see

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Speaker 2: any actual tears and definitely no snot with me. An

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Speaker 2: all star panel to make sense of what we know

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Speaker 2: right now. But before I go to Katie Forrester UH

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Speaker 2: Exclusives editor us Son investigative reporter, let me first start

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Speaker 2: with doctor William Maroney, renowned medical examiner, toxicologist, pathologist, opioid

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Speaker 2: treatment expert, author of American Narcan and so much more.

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Speaker 2: Doctor moroney, why did she say a parent gun shot wounds?

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Speaker 2: When people are shot multiple times?

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Speaker 1: You know it.

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Speaker 2: You walk into a room, I've done it, gone into

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Speaker 2: a crime scene and somebody's head is basically blown off,

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Speaker 2: or they're shot and their chest is wide open, or

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Speaker 2: their intestines are hanging out.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you don't have to be a.

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Speaker 2: Medical examiner like you, or a toxicologist or a pathologist

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Speaker 2: to know somebody's been shot.

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Speaker 4: The adjective or the adverb that you would use a

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Speaker 4: parent is completely inappropriate. It doesn't address scientific frankness and

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Speaker 4: truth period.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: You know what, I could have gotten any guy on

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Speaker 2: the street to say it's not true. Okay, could you

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Speaker 2: you're the medical examiner. I was expecting something medically, Okay.

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Speaker 4: Medically, we have blunt force injuries, we have sharp force injury,

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Speaker 4: and we have gun gunshounds that we consider contact or

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Speaker 4: not contact. And the only time we ever use the

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Speaker 4: word a parent is if somebody is burnt to a

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Speaker 4: crisp and you can't figure out whether the hole is

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Speaker 4: a hole from a bullet or a hole from other trauma.

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Speaker 4: When we have gunshot wounds. The first thing we do

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Speaker 4: the skin, and if there's char that goes around the wound,

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Speaker 4: that means that the gun was contact on the skin.

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Speaker 4: That is never an accident, it's premeditated and it's homicide.

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Speaker 4: After that, you may have some blowback on clothes, but

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Speaker 4: contact gun gunshot wounds are really important because they show

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Speaker 4: intent and motive. What we see people add adjectives and

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Speaker 4: add adverbs to distract and we want to use candor.

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Speaker 4: Candor is truth with direction, and we didn't.

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Speaker 2: Get out that is much more than I get off

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Speaker 2: a guy on the street.

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Speaker 1: Bottom line, marony.

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Speaker 2: Isn't it true that when a victim like these two

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Speaker 2: mom and dad are shot in their own room multiple times,

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Speaker 2: even a lawyer like me, a try a lawyer can

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Speaker 2: walk in and see they were shot. It doesn't take

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Speaker 2: a pH d And a specialty in toxicology and pathology

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Speaker 1: It's very clear. What do you know about the wounds

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Speaker 1: to these two victims, a.

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Speaker 2: Very loving mom and dad. As a matter of fact,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna ask Katie about this. The dad was waiting

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Speaker 2: on a heart transplant. And he was still cutting the

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Speaker 2: grass or vacuuming at the local church, very very loving

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Speaker 2: to the alleged evil high school girls stepdaughter. So, doctor Moroney,

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Speaker 2: what can you tell me about their injuries?

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Speaker 4: I think the multiple gunshots is always telling versus a

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Speaker 4: single gunshot. That really it totally relates to some kind

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Speaker 4: of crime of passion. There's a lot of hatred, there's

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Speaker 4: a disruption. This may actually be a sign of mental

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Speaker 4: illness or I hate to use the term drug addiction.

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Speaker 2: Dear Lord in Heaven, you've been on your opioid bus

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Speaker 2: for way too long. Maroney has a bus, put his

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Speaker 2: money where his mouth is, and he travels to enlighten

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Speaker 2: and help and treat opioid addicts, saving a lot of lives. Okay,

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Speaker 2: correct me if I'm wrong. But aren't you a medical examiner.

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Speaker 2: That's a yes, no, Maroni, a medical examiner, right.

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Speaker 4: Yes, Maroni, it's a yes.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: That means you have a medical degree. Correct, that's a yes, Maroni,

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Speaker 2: yes okay. And you are a topsychologist anti pathologist.

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Speaker 1: Correct.

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Speaker 4: I work with forensic toxicology and my work is pathology,

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Speaker 4: but I'm not of the pathologist. I'm medical examiner. Same close.

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Speaker 2: Okay, at any point did you receive your PhD in

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Speaker 2: psychology or psychiatry.

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Speaker 4: No, but I own a clinic. I am.

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Speaker 2: So you're trying to tell me right now, but multiple

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Speaker 2: gunshot wounds, the bodies literally hanging open, that you can

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Speaker 2: tell me there.

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Speaker 1: Was a mental illness on the part of the shooter.

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Speaker 1: How just plain out, mean girl?

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Speaker 4: Ayear old problems, behavioral problems that kids today are so

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Speaker 4: messed up. Between COVID and LLANSI just we mental illness

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Speaker 4: cannot be.

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Speaker 2: You just threw COVID in the bag with TikTok. I

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Speaker 2: don't think they're similar at all. By the way, I'm

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Speaker 2: petting you on TikTok tonight. Okay, so you're gonna be

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Speaker 2: on TikTok. Dr Maroney, you know what, let's just get

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Speaker 2: a grip on reality really quickly. First of all, I'm

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Speaker 2: going to go back to Maroney when I need a

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Speaker 2: medical opinion. Katie Forrester is with US Assistant Exclusives editor

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Speaker 2: us Son. She covers true crime all the time and

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Speaker 2: is intimately versed in this case. Katie Forrester, please enlighten

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Speaker 2: us about the murders themselves. The let me be more specific,

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Speaker 2: the injury sustained by this mom and dad.

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Speaker 4: The horrific.

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Speaker 9: I mean, I think you put it right there where

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Speaker 9: you said there's a lot of me, me me in

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Speaker 9: the posts that she'd done since then, the way she'd acted,

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Speaker 9: there's a lot of narcissism there. Obviously, she is pleaded

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Speaker 9: not guilty, and we know the Menandez brothers. You know,

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Speaker 9: we've seen this happen before, where someone has murdered their

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Speaker 9: own parents. Usually they cannot help but confind in someone.

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Speaker 10: It seems she didn't.

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Speaker 9: If she do this. Her friends and family are supporting her.

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Speaker 9: She's sending text messages thanking them for their support.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of Yeah.

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Speaker 9: I mean, there's certainly something mental.

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Speaker 1: Katie, Katie Forrester. Look at your monitor.

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Speaker 2: I want to see the video again with all the

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Speaker 2: black coming down her face and all the snart. Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know what, I don't see any of that at

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Speaker 2: the funeral. Guys, let's take another tiny listen to miss

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Speaker 2: Thing giving her parents eulogy. Notice there's no black mascara

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Speaker 2: and eyeliner just streaming down her face. And by the way,

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Speaker 2: that video you just saw us from Kristin Dadas Facebook.

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Speaker 11: Let's watch for James, Thank you for all the life

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Speaker 11: lessons you taught me, and for being the best.

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Speaker 6: Son instead ever you're her will finding be in heaven

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Speaker 6: and neither of them will be any pain anymore.

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Speaker 7: Although that gives me so much comfort.

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Speaker 1: Your life is also I've got to analyze her words.

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Speaker 2: By the way, and the first tiny clip I showed you,

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Speaker 2: that's from Kristin Dadas Facebook. There's one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten,

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Speaker 2: three sentences, eleven times.

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Speaker 1: I are me. Now we're hearing more for James, that's

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Speaker 1: your stepfather.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for all the life lessons you taught me

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Speaker 2: and being the best funnest nineteen twenty Dad ever, your

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Speaker 2: heart will finally be healed in heaven. Okay, and you

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Speaker 2: will not be in pain anymore.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay? One more tiny listen.

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Speaker 12: And for my mother.

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Speaker 7: Everything we went through is not to find what kind

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Speaker 8: You read youautiful kind soul with so much gratitude and

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Speaker 8: so good James, and you taught me so many life

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Speaker 7: When I first read it, rest cried.

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Speaker 8: I got your books, But every single time I read

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Speaker 2: There you see a gut wrenching eulogy by a daughter

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Speaker 2: left orphan after her mom and stepdad.

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Speaker 1: Are brutally murdered. That was from Kristen Dada's Facebook.

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Speaker 2: Katie Forrester described to me where mom and stepdad were murdered.

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Speaker 9: So they were murdered in that home. It was in

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Speaker 9: the middle of the night. And the most disturbing thing

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Speaker 10: Kristin was the one to discover the bodies. I mean,

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Speaker 10: you just it's horrific.

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Speaker 9: I can't imagine, you know what, whether she would remember

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Speaker 9: this growing up, or you know, whether she's going to

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Speaker 9: have to have trauma counseling. If Sarah brace Patrick did

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Speaker 9: do this, the fact that she would let her younger

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Speaker 10: Is just beyond So, yeah, they were brutals.

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Speaker 1: You're absolutely right, Katie. Take a listen.

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Speaker 6: Five your old niece pus In woke up, walk up

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Speaker 6: to fat their parents lifeless.

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Speaker 7: The trauma is innocent child walking for the rest of

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Speaker 12: On the morning of Thursday, February twentieth, the five year

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Speaker 12: old daughter of Jamie and Kristin Brock goes to her parents'

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Speaker 12: Grace Patrick, who immediately calls nine one one. The five

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Speaker 12: year old has discovered her mother and father dead in

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Speaker 12: their bed, their bodies riddled with bullets. On the phone

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Speaker 12: with nine one one, Sarah Grace tells the dispatcher if

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Speaker 12: the bodies are cold to the touch, pass the need

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Speaker 3: Days after the murder, Sarah begins posting tearful tiktoks and

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Speaker 3: sends messages to true crime influencers asking them to look

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Speaker 2: are we are calling Janice? You may know her as

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Speaker 2: You We're approached. We believe by Sarah Grace Patrick what happened?

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Speaker 13: That is correct. On June third, I got a message

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Speaker 1: Tell me about the video that you posted.

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Speaker 11: Their children found them no longer alive. I cannot imagine

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Speaker 1: Early that morning.

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Speaker 11: Their children made a horrifying discovery. To my understanding. The

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Speaker 2: So Janis, you were fed all those facts by whom.

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Speaker 13: By Sarah Grace. There had been very little coverage so far,

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm very curious.

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Speaker 2: Did you ever see her Mini Meani tiktoks that she

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Speaker 13: You know, maybe we just don't remember what it's like

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Speaker 2: Okay, wait a minute, she actually said to you quote

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Speaker 13: Yes, when she was asking me to make a video,

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Speaker 2: So Katie Forrester joining us is close as editor covering

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Speaker 2: true crime. Katie, how many tiktoks did this girl post?

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Speaker 1: Many? I think dozens over the time.

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Speaker 9: There are a lot of, like you said, me, me,

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Speaker 1: You know a lot of it.

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Speaker 2: You know what, that's an interesting point, Katie Forrester, and

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Speaker 2: I would go to our new psychiatrist, doctor William Maroney,

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Speaker 2: Sue Kornblouth joining US family relationship expert, owner of doctor

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Speaker 2: Is that normal? And of course normal doesn't really apply

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Speaker 2: Sarah Grace Patrick to start posting endless tiktoks and saying

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Speaker 1: This and it'll be a big hit. It's number one

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Speaker 4: I mean, Nancy, come on you.

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Speaker 14: Between you and I that sounds absolutely ridiculous, and it is.

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Speaker 7: When you're grieving the loss of your parent.

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Speaker 14: Most times, teens will grieve quietly inside themselves. They will

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Speaker 1: It's absolutely not normal crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Now, I'm just thinking through the crime scene they were

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Speaker 2: stepbad both cold to the touch. Doctor William Moroney, back

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Speaker 2: in your wheelhouse, Let's keep it that way, Doctor Mroney Guys,

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Speaker 2: renowned medical examiner and author of American Narcan Doctor Moroney,

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Speaker 2: What does that mean that they were already ice cold

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Speaker 4: Time they were discovered? They were ambient temperature that's, you know,

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Speaker 1: Doctor Maroney.

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Speaker 2: That's where Maroney comes in two or three hours. She

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Speaker 15: The first thing I'm saying anytime is we have no

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Speaker 1: Okay, you a Ryan Brown.

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Speaker 2: That's something I like about you. You just put it

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Speaker 2: You just said it, and it's true, and every good

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Speaker 2: Hey, we're looking for anybody to blame here. But you're right,

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Speaker 2: nothing has been proven. This so called evil high school

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Speaker 2: I'm very, very curious to Janice, a well known TikToker

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Speaker 13: a lot of victim blaming going on, but everything Sarah

443
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Speaker 13: Grace told me about her parents is that they were wonderful.

444
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Speaker 13: They were amazing people. So she came across as someone

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Speaker 13: who lost to people that she treasured.

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Speaker 16: Carrol County Sheriff's Department are on the scene in minutes

447
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:36,919
Speaker 16: and began looking over the scene that doesn't show any

448
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,439
Speaker 16: sign of forced entry. Just adore this seems a bit

449
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 16: of jar. Investigators spend all day at the home coming

450
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Speaker 16: the residence for evidence, speaking with neighbors, and searching for

451
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Speaker 16: surveillance video.

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Speaker 7: The brutality in these murders is not in dispute.

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Speaker 6: My family and I have seen the death certificates, and

454
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 6: although we are not aware of exactly how many shots

455
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Speaker 6: were fired, we do know that there were more gunshots.

456
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Speaker 7: Both Jamie and.

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Speaker 2: Christen my friends at Fox five Atlanta, Awie, Ryan Brown,

458
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 2: Bryan Brown. No forced entry, nothing stolen, no sex attack, nothing,

459
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 2: So someone just walks into the home. I mean, you're

460
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 2: looking for somebody to blame. The sawd defense, sod some

461
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 2: other dude did it.

462
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:28,439
Speaker 1: What are you gonna do with that?

463
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 2: They didn't steal the car, they didn't steal the TV,

464
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 2: the video recorder, the diamond rings, and then no cash, no.

465
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:43,360
Speaker 1: Guns, nothing's taken, nothing's missing. So the phantom creeps in.

466
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 2: Or maybe he flew in. Maybe it's a she secretly

467
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:49,679
Speaker 2: you know what. Let's go with Ninja dressed all in

468
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 2: black like Jody Arius claimed, Ninja dressed all in black, sneaks.

469
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 1: In on Timmatoo's.

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Speaker 2: Does it take anything? Doesn't anybody does? And even steal

471
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 2: the car, does it make a sound? No forced entry,

472
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 2: kills mom and dad and leaves. That's your theory.

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Speaker 15: So the Saudi defense, you've got it.

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Speaker 4: I find it to be.

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Speaker 15: Very successful unless you can really pinpoint somebody. In the

476
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,199
Speaker 15: case like this, the defense has got to find somebody

477
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 15: that was known to the victims, if that would help

478
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 15: explain the no force jury as well. Right, who did

479
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Speaker 15: they know that they would have welcomed into the home,

480
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 15: maybe not welcomed, but would have maybe let in the house,

481
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Speaker 15: or would have had access to the house or known

482
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Speaker 15: their way around the house that had some sort of motive.

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Speaker 15: I think just saying hey, state, prove it wasn't anybody

484
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 15: random is going to be unsuccessful. But they're going to

485
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 15: have to really pendpoint someone with motive that could have

486
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 15: entered the house without forced injury, would have had no

487
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Speaker 15: motive to commit a sexual act of violence or a

488
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Speaker 15: robbery or anything like that, and say, okay, State, now.

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Speaker 4: The burden's on you.

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Speaker 15: We've given you this alternative suspects or two. Now you

491
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 15: rule them out.

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Speaker 2: So, Ryan Brown, you're completely correct, And even under US

493
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 2: Supreme Court rulings and in this jurisdiction Georgia Supreme Court rulings,

494
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 2: the defense can't just say, oh, well, there were some

495
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 2: other break ins in the area, so that was them. No,

496
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 2: you're right, you got to have a particular person to blame.

497
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 2: Here's a great example. Brian Coburger was desperately looking for

498
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 2: somebody else to blame, and now we find out he

499
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 2: planned to blame one of the victim's friends. Yeah, and

500
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 2: crucify that innocent person. Yeah, there has to be a person.

501
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 2: He just can't go in and claim, Hey, we think

502
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 2: the burglar from down the street did it. He's never

503
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 2: been apprehended, but I'm pretty sure it was him. You

504
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 2: can't put that to a jury. You're right, Ryan Brown,

505
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 2: You got to have a.

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00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: Specific some other dude did it. But then, as you know, Ryan.

507
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 2: The suspects behavior before, during, and after the incident can

508
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 2: come before the jury. I hope you're sitting down for this, listen.

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00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 16: Sarah Grace Patrick spends a lot of time on TikTok,

510
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 16: creating content and asking for other influencers to keep the

511
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 16: case alive and solve the murders of her mother and stepdad.

512
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 16: As weeks dragged by with no arrest, she's engaging with

513
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Speaker 16: true crime creators in an effort to get them to

514
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 16: cover the story. The odd grab for attention is not

515
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 16: lost on family members, who now see many things Sarah

516
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 16: Grace has done as red.

517
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Speaker 2: Flags crime stories with Nancy Grace. So while she's busy talking,

518
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Speaker 2: Ryan Brown, how do you think a jury, if there

519
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 2: ever is one, is going to respond to her spending

520
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 2: all of her time in full hair and makeup tiktoking. Oh,

521
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 2: of course, except for the ones where she gets in

522
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 2: full hair and makeup and then starts crying and snotting. Remember,

523
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 2: she had to put on all that hair and makeup

524
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 2: before she could cry it all off. So in the

525
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 2: days following mommy and Daddy's assassination in the home with

526
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 2: her down the hall, she gets some full hair and

527
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 2: makeup and then cries it off on TikTok.

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Speaker 1: How do you think that'll set Ryan Brown?

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00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 15: Well, I think it's going to be very important for

530
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Speaker 15: the jury to know. Hey, look, we're talking about victim

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Speaker 15: blaming your husband a lot of that. She's a victim.

532
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 15: In our theory. This can blame her for how she's grieving.

533
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 15: We're not going to blame her for how she's acting,

534
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 15: how she's dressing, how she's crying, whether there's not tears, sniffles,

535
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 15: whatever it may be. She's a victim too. Her her parents,

536
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 15: step parent were murdered. Don't judge, don't you know, blame

537
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 15: her for how she's reacting. Don't put the blame on this.

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00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 15: She is a sixteen year old. Nobody on the jury

539
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 15: is a world. You don't know how sixteen year old

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00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 15: is going to grieve. Let's focus on the real issue here.

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Speaker 2: You can remember I remember being sixteen, and even at sixteen,

542
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 2: the highlight of my day is when my mom would

543
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Speaker 2: pull up the driveway and toot the horn coming home

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Speaker 2: from work.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I remember that.

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Speaker 2: If there ever is a jury trial, they're going to

547
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 2: remember that too. And Janie, didn't you just tell us?

548
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 2: Janis is allegedly reportedly on TikTok, who was approached by

549
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 2: Sarah Grace Patrick no question about it, saying hey, hey, hey,

550
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 2: can I get a little pr about my mom and

551
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 2: dad's brutal murder.

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00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: It'll be a really big hit. It's number one on Google. Janis,

553
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: isn't that true?

554
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 13: Absolutely? And then she began commenting things on the video

555
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 13: I posted. Someone asked what weapon would used in this

556
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 13: crime and she replied with a gun emoji. Someone said that,

557
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 13: you know, from an investigative standpoint, it seems like this

558
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 13: would have been someone that knew the family, and Sarah

559
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 13: Grace replied and said, it sure would seem like it

560
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Speaker 13: because they knew the house very haunting.

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Speaker 1: Oh oh man, oh man.

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00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 2: You know what, every once in a while, Chris Bayer

563
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Speaker 2: is joining me PI, private investigator, owner of Buyer's Investigative Services,

564
00:32:55,120 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 2: former police chief John's Creek, Georgia. Chris Buyers, don't you

565
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 2: love it when Heaven just drops evidence in your lap?

566
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: You don't even have to look for it.

567
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 2: Come on, you just heard Janice aka also known as

568
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Speaker 2: allegedly reportedly on TikTok where basically Sarah Grace Patrick is

569
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 2: giving the police all the information as if they couldn't

570
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 2: find it themselves. They did, but had to be somebody

571
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Speaker 2: that knew the house, had to be somebody that had.

572
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 1: Been in there before. Put this a little gun emoji.

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Speaker 2: When someone asked what was the murder weapon, which, by

574
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Speaker 2: the way, was never found, Chris Buyers, she might as

575
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 2: well just give an all out confession.

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Speaker 16: Yeah.

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00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 17: Absolutely, very narcissistic and wants to be the center of attention,

578
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 17: and she just laid out everything that the police needed.

579
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Speaker 17: Of Course, like you said, they would have found it anyway,

580
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 17: that would be the first things that they're looking at.

581
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Speaker 17: But yeah, thank you. For helping us out making our

582
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 17: investigation even easier.

583
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 2: You know. Another issue is then in the midst all

584
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 2: of this, the eulogy begins to be analyzed online. The

585
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:22,320
Speaker 2: eulogy that Sarah Grace Patrick so gut wrenchingly delivered about

586
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Speaker 2: her parents.

587
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Speaker 1: Listen.

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00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 12: Sarah Grace Patrick's eulogy is captured on cell phone camera,

589
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 12: and many who watch it suggests the speech is a

590
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:33,919
Speaker 12: red flag. Jamie Brock's niece, Kristin Dauta says she sat

591
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,359
Speaker 12: in the front row during the service and even though

592
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 12: Sarah Grace's voice sounded like she was crying, Kristin never

593
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 12: saw a tear. Kristin Douda finds the cell phone video

594
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 12: online and shares it on her personal Facebook page.

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Speaker 2: Katie Forrester joining US Investigative Reporter Assistant Exclusives editor, What

596
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Speaker 2: did you observe and what was noticed by others regarding

597
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:59,359
Speaker 2: her eulogy? I mean that takes technical legal term.

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Speaker 1: You may not be familiar with this.

599
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,959
Speaker 2: Katie Forrester bars the size of coconuts to get up

600
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Speaker 2: on that stage and eulogize the parents that police believe

601
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 2: she murdered in cold blood as they're asleep.

602
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Speaker 9: I mean I think there are a lot of teenagers

603
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Speaker 9: that wouldn't even be able to get up to speak regardless,

604
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Speaker 9: even if they hadn't murdered their own parents. I think

605
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,919
Speaker 9: it takes a lot of confidence to get up there,

606
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 9: so to then get up there and make most of

607
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 9: the speech about yourself, and then also at the end,

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Speaker 9: the thing that police had mentioned was that at the

609
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Speaker 9: end she said something like I'm sorry or she said sorry,

610
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Speaker 9: and that was sort of out of place, and officials

611
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 9: have said that that was another red flag. But just

612
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 9: the way she spoke about them and the way she

613
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 9: was talking about herself d'Or in it, you know, And

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Speaker 9: I can't.

615
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: I cannot imagine.

616
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 9: What it must have been like for people watching that

617
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 9: who were already suspicious of her, because we know that

618
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 9: the parents, their family and friends were already thinking that

619
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Speaker 9: she may be responsible.

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Speaker 2: To doctor William Roney, joining US renowned medical examiner to psychologist,

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Speaker 2: opioid treatment expert, and author, doctor Maroney, I want to

622
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 2: talk again. I want to come back to the wounds

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Speaker 2: with gunshot wounds. How would you determine if there were

624
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 2: defensive wounds? What I'm getting at, doctor, is were they

625
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 2: executed in their sleep?

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Speaker 1: Or did they wake up and try to protect themselves.

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00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 4: Because we have sheets and blankets, you would have arms covered.

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00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 4: If gunshot residue is on hands, then they tried to

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Speaker 4: protect themselves and there were defensive posturing. If somebody has

630
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Speaker 4: a plain, simple frank, uncomplicated char gunshot wounds to the

631
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Speaker 4: chest and there's no gunshot residue on hands, there was

632
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 4: no defensive posturing.

633
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 2: Okay, I know, at the risk of being called very slow,

634
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 2: could you say that again. I just want to make

635
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 2: sure I understand what you're saying.

636
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: How can you tell if there were defensive ones.

637
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 4: If they test the hands of the victims and the

638
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 4: hands of the victims have gunshot residue on them, but

639
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 4: the hands were in the bed, then it's just like

640
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:41,760
Speaker 4: this truffle powder. There's powder that's gunshot, powder, nitrates, sulfurs

641
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 4: on the victims hands the hands were up. If the

642
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 4: hands are under sheets and blankets and there's no powder

643
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 4: on the hands, then they were shot, plain, simple frank

644
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 4: execution without any defensive posturing.

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Speaker 2: You know, this came up in the Brian Coburger case,

646
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Speaker 2: Doctor Maroney. We were originally led to believe that all

647
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 2: four of those beautiful young University i'd host students were

648
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,720
Speaker 2: all murdered in their sleep. Then we find out after

649
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 2: the plea deal that they fought for their lives. Many

650
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 2: of them fought for their lives and one vic well

651
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 2: two one Kelly Gonsalves, was stabbed so many times in

652
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 2: the face she was disfigured. Another victim got up to

653
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,800
Speaker 2: fifty stab ones. They were not killed in their sleep,

654
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,800
Speaker 2: as if that's somehow better. If this mom and dad

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Speaker 2: had been murdered in their sleep, what would you have

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Speaker 2: expected to find at the scene.

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Speaker 4: Very clearly, the gunshot on the skin would have had

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Speaker 4: no barriers, no resistance, and you'll find a round, charred

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Speaker 4: like tattoo, shaped exactly like the muzzle and the barrel

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00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 4: of the gun. It gets so hot it burns on

661
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 4: the skin, burns the shape of the gun on a

662
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:34,879
Speaker 4: contact wound, and it's it's not something you can brush off.

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00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 4: It's burned. That would be a wound that has absolutely

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Speaker 4: no defensive posturing. Something. Plus, when the round enters the

665
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 4: body in a contact wound, gas from the barrel goes

666
00:39:55,760 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 4: in and it's it spreads the skin. We call a

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00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 4: stellate lesions. Stell eate means star like. It's kind of

668
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 4: a Latin term. And those sellate lesions prove that you

669
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Speaker 4: press that gun onto the neck or the chest or

670
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Speaker 4: the abdomen, and you blue gas into the skin and

671
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 4: it explodes as it goes in. Those are no defense,

672
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 4: one hundred percent execution style charred stellate lesions.

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Speaker 2: So, doctor Moroney, gunshot residue, as you pointed out with

674
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 2: your truffle, powder can dissipate with just being rubbed off

675
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 2: very easily. But the tattooing from the hot gun and

676
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 2: the searing of the skin that cannot be brushed off, Okay,

677
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 2: you not physically are burned. This would you expect to

678
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 2: find as to the regarding the position of the bodies

679
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 2: if Mom and Dad had been shot in their sleep.

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00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:03,879
Speaker 4: Well, another thing that I've seen on site is that

681
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 4: if somebody is more animate or alive, they're moving around,

682
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 4: and sometimes the bullets buff the ribs or the bones

683
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 4: of the spine. When somebody's pressed into the bed, the

684
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 4: bullet will go through the person, through the bed and

685
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 4: into the floor. So having an animate body moving around

686
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 4: oftentimes means you're not going to get a gun shot

687
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 4: through the bed and into the carpet and into the floor.

688
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:42,240
Speaker 4: A body that's asleep is not cassing any resistance back,

689
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 4: and all the power goes through the bullet, through the body,

690
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 4: through the bed, and into the floor. That's another big

691
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 4: sign when people are shot while they're sleeping.

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00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 2: Doctor William Roney A technical and a subtle but important question.

693
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 2: For instance, and the jody areas multiple stabbing murder Travis

694
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 2: Alexander twenty nine to thirty one stas, we don't really

695
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 2: know because the stabs were overlapping, and that's like stabbing jello.

696
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:14,760
Speaker 2: You can't really tell how many times he was stabbed then.

697
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 1: Shot in the head.

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00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 2: Unlike stabbings, when someone is shot multiple times while on

699
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 2: the outside of the body, you may not be able

700
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 2: to tell how many gunshot wounds there were if they overlapped.

701
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:32,280
Speaker 2: Inside the body, you can tell because the trajectory paths

702
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 2: of the bullets will be different, even though the outside

703
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:39,399
Speaker 2: of the body may be mangled. Inside the body, when

704
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 2: you look at the path of the bullet, you'll see

705
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 2: distinct paths and you can tell how many times each

706
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 2: victim was shot.

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00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 1: Is that true?

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00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:47,919
Speaker 13: Yes.

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00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 4: What we have in the autopsy suite is usually it's

710
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 4: like an aluminum rod. Sometimes it's a plastic rod. Sometimes

711
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 4: it's something that you might see in the garden shop Walmart,

712
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 4: and it's about this big. We begin with the end

713
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 4: at the point of the barrel, and then you pass

714
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 4: the rod through the body according to how many different shots.

715
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:27,800
Speaker 4: You have to see what angle they all went at,

716
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 4: and that's how you'll follow because every single bullet has

717
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:39,240
Speaker 4: to be accounted. And in a hospital setting, a smart

718
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 4: pathologist will send that body to radiology and they'll image

719
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 4: all the bullets in the body, or or they'll have

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00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 4: a mobile radiology come with a digital camera. And before

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00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:58,320
Speaker 4: you do the autopsy, if you never have the gun,

722
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 4: if you never have the shell casings, you have the

723
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Speaker 4: number of bullets to count from X rays and that's

724
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Speaker 4: how you go through and every path is with the rod.

725
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,399
Speaker 4: And at the end of your X ray you have

726
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 4: to account because you don't know how many times the

727
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 4: gun was fired if you're never going to get the gun,

728
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 4: and you still have to say shot number one, shot

729
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 4: number two, shot number three, and you follow the path

730
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 4: of the bullet by the rods and how many different rods,

731
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 4: and then you actually look at deformation. You know a

732
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 4: bullet that bounces off of ribs, it's going to be

733
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 4: smashed up. A bullet that goes only through soft tissue

734
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 4: is going to be less deformed. But you follow them

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00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 4: all with rods point of entry, and you begin with

736
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 4: X rays.

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00:44:55,760 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 2: The point is how many times did she allege reportedly

738
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Speaker 2: shoot her parents.

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Speaker 5: From the very moment the nine one one call was received,

740
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 5: a relentless investigation began, one that would span months, consume

741
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 5: thousands of man hours, and require the full weight of

742
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 5: the local and federal law enforcement agency partnerships. Today we

743
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 5: can confirm that an arrest has been made in the case.

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00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 5: Kristen Brock's seventeen year old daughter, Sarah Grace Patrick, has

745
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 5: been taken into custody and charged with two counts of

746
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 5: murder and two counts of aggravated assault in connection with

747
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 5: the death of her mother and her stepfather.

748
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 6: The defendant is charged with the brutal murders of my

749
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:47,839
Speaker 6: brother Technique and my sister in law while they were

750
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 6: lying in their bed.

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00:45:54,000 --> 00:46:00,359
Speaker 18: Shot multiple times, including both shot.

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00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 1: From Fox five Atlanta.

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00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 2: And of course, the first thing the so called evil

754
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:12,800
Speaker 2: high school girl does is try to get bond listen

755
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:14,800
Speaker 2: personal safety.

756
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:19,399
Speaker 7: If the defendant can kill her own parents. Is such

757
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 7: a violent.

758
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 6: Villain man a fear from own safety and safety in

759
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 6: my family and friends.

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00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 7: The possibility that she can harm us is terrifying.

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00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 19: I am deeply concerned for the safety of my family.

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00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 19: The gruesome and violent details of this case have shown

763
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,720
Speaker 19: me that the defendant has a disturbing lack of regard

764
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:46,359
Speaker 19: for human life. If someone is capable of what happened here,

765
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 19: then I can not ignore the real possibility that she

766
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 19: could pose a threat to those of us left behind,

767
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 19: especially she.

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00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 2: Were released on bond from our friends Fox five Atlanta,

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00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 2: Katie Forrester, Yes, no, she was denied bond, right, yes

770
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:05,879
Speaker 2: she was, and.

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00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 7: We all expected that.

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Speaker 10: I mean, these charges are so strong, and police do not,

773
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 10: you know, arrest somebody and put together so many charges

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00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 10: for a seventeen year.

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Speaker 9: Old if they don't have a lot of evidence, as

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00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 9: I've said in the.

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00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:22,879
Speaker 2: Press commerce and then of course Katie Katie, immediately when

778
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 2: Barna's denied, she started the crying and the snarting, right

779
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:28,800
Speaker 2: I've always We've got a video of the crying and

780
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:30,320
Speaker 2: crying throughout.

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00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 9: I think there was kind of more crocodile tea is

782
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 9: when people were giving witness statements. When they were talking

783
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 9: about her character statements, she was she was sort of

784
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 9: it looked to me like sort of fake crying throughout that,

785
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 9: and then she she is bond. She was actually crying. Yeah,

786
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:48,320
Speaker 9: so she started.

787
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:51,760
Speaker 2: So we're showing her right now, Katie, You're absolutely correct.

788
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 2: The crying, the snarting that's in her bond hearing.

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00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 1: Ryan Brown, what do you do with that?

790
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 2: That's why our friends at Fox five Atlanta. Are you

791
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 2: going to let her continue with the crying and the

792
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 2: snotting in front of the jury.

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00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 15: Yeah, so you know at the bond here, you're not

794
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 15: too worried about it, no jury present, but you know,

795
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 15: I think it's good for somebody to be themselves in

796
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 15: front of a jury, right you can you run the

797
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 15: risk of if you coach somebody up too much, till

798
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 15: them not to be emotional and control themselves in a

799
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 15: certain way. You're more concerned about a client kind of

800
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 15: being dismissive and kind of huffing and puffing in front

801
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 15: of a jury, you know, and kind of acting out.

802
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 15: But you know, when you see tears, if I'm her lawyer,

803
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 15: I don't care she's sad or she's got people she

804
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 15: loves that are murdered. Somebody else murder He she's a

805
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:39,439
Speaker 15: crime victim. She's being falsely prosecuted, cry away. I've got

806
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 15: no problem.

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00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:44,280
Speaker 2: With it, and very quickly Chris Buyers, private investigator Buyer's

808
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 2: Investigative Service as former police chief Buyers, we don't have

809
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 2: the murder weapon. War two weapons used, multiple gunshot wounds,

810
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 2: So question where's.

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Speaker 1: The murder weapon?

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00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 2: Money fade her the murder weapon is somebody helping her?

813
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 6: Yeah.

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00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 17: One of the other things that's huge in that that

815
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 17: it's a big shame for me and I have not

816
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 17: seen in any of the reporting is where there's showcasings left?

817
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:14,399
Speaker 17: Do they have any showcasings that they can run through

818
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:19,800
Speaker 17: the National Integrated Ballistics Database to try to see with

819
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 17: this gun, you know the history of this gun, where

820
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 17: this gun came from. But yes, the murder weapon being

821
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 17: gone what you want. That's one of the key things

822
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 17: when you're an investigator. You show up to this scene

823
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 17: and you want to know how they were murdered and

824
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 17: where is the weapon that did it? So very possibly,

825
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:42,800
Speaker 17: very possibly she has somebody else helping her. You heard

826
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 17: the Public Information officer from Carroll County Sheriff's apartment said

827
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 17: in the end that more arrest could be coming, So

828
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 17: that leads you to believe, you know, did she have help?

829
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:56,879
Speaker 17: Did she have help hiding this, planning this? Was there

830
00:49:56,920 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 17: somebody else there? All these different things investigators are sounds

831
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 17: like they're still looking into.

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Speaker 1: As we wait for justice to unfold.

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Speaker 2: We remember an American hero, Deputy Sheriff Jody Hull Saint

834
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Speaker 2: John's County Sheriff's, Florida, killed in the line of duty,

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Speaker 2: leaving behind a grieving wife, Kelly, and seven children.

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Speaker 1: American hero Deputy Sheriff Jody Hall. Nancy Gray signing off

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Speaker 1: goodbye friend